WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'll admit Sally's caginess was causing me some consternation as well, but I'd be willing to let her have things her way, since she had made it clear (to me, at least) that she had a wolf.

Well I think you miss the point here. Lari had voted for Shasta already and so basically another vote not for the wolf Sally had caught could have led to a situation where the wolves could have run over us with their votes and win. And I needed to get to sleep. It was too risky.

Originally Posted by Inzil

Sorry, you're grasping at straws here. And I was well aware when I responded to Wilwa that a false lynch would be fatal. As I said, I didn't point it out because Wilwa had just done so.

Actually what wilwa said was:

Originally Posted by wilwa

So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.

She didn't say the game would be over if the ranger dies! And how come you claim you were on top of the things as an innocent if you answered that post by wilwa by saying that there are pros and cons and that you're not sure which would be the best option - if you claim you knew the game would end if we missed?

Originally Posted by Inzil

You do make an impassioned defence, Nog.

If the dl would be better I'd be easier as I could follow the day through but sadly I need to leave like now and everything that happens after I'm gone is out of my reach; so I feel I need to make my case strongly enough so that we stand a chance of there being toMorrow.

x'd with Shasta and Inzil

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Actually what wilwa said was: She didn't say the game would be over if the ranger dies! And how come you claim you were on top of the things as an innocent if you answered that post by wilwa by saying that there are pros and cons and that you're not sure which would be the best option - if you claim you knew the game would end if we missed?

For your benefit, here is Wilwa's post, bolding added to the pertinent part.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Who's left:

Nogrod
Inziladun
Shasta
Alonariel
Wilwarin
Lariren

2 are wolves, 1 is the Ranger, then 3 ords. If we don't get a wolf today, then we most likely lose.

So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.

And did it occur to you, Nog, that perhaps I wanted to leave it open ended, to see if anyone would latch on and say, 'Yes, Ranger! Come forward!'?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

And did it occur to you, Nog, that perhaps I wanted to leave it open ended, to see if anyone would latch on and say, 'Yes, Ranger! Come forward!'?

It took you some time to come up with that explanation Inzil... and don't try to tell me you were just having your nets in the deep water all the time just to watch for reactions the last hours.

And really. If wilwa says "we most likely lose" then you say "I'm not sure about it" - and it takes you this long to actually come up with an explanation... and then you want me to buy it?

Well Shasta is looking quite bad as well. So... drat... looking at the clock...

Why does this game always start to get interesting when I need to go to sleep? The worst deadline ever!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And really. If wilwa says "we most likely lose" then you say "I'm not sure about it" - and it takes you this long to actually come up with an explanation...

I need to add... while in the meantime you try to give us untrue or fabricated replies... and now you wish we should believe that at this point you're finally true whilst earlier you were just... well what? Why didn't you say that already much earlier? Let me guess... You came up with that explanation only now?

[wilwarin538]

I kinda get what Inzil is saying, about him not reiterating that us not getting a wolf means we probably lose, since I had already said it. But I also get what you're trying to say Nog.

We could still technically win if we lynch an ord toDay, as long as the Ranger protects the right person. But if we lynch the Ranger then we're definitely done for. Which is why lynching a boy gives us our best chance. I think everyone can pretty much agree that this is our best chance.

Honestly? I could justify a vote for any of you three boys. But I'm most comfortable voting for Inzil. Shasta scares me because he hasn't been on enough, so he would be risky, a shot in the dark like Nog put it. I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with Nog, no he's not cleared in my mind, but he's not freaking me out as much as he was yesterDay. So yeah, I'll probably go with Inzil.

I'd still like to hear more from the girls though.

Back to Jack Bauer now...

[Lariren Shadow]

Shasta does make a point about how Sally's generization(I think I just made up that word) of the Ranger could have been to throw off the wolves. The only way to really know is if we look through her posts and try to see if there are clues. But then we expose the Ranger.

So we are at a cross roads. Either we trust that Sally meant that the Ranger was a girl and lynch a boy, or we look for clues.

I'm going to try to look through things now.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

OMG wilwa, why do you have to look so opportunistic right now when I need to decide? You're not making this easier to be honest...

What?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

wilwa pushed me into it with her light-hearted "I'm ready to vote Inzil" -comment. I still don't trust her you know, and her post showed she hadn't read the last posts - or she didn't want to take them into account - like she was protecting Shasta? Who knows? But I still think lynching a male is our best option - and Shasta didn't make it too hard to vote for him as I started to wawer with you.

and what?

I did take those posts into account, but there still wasn't much on Shasta, I don't agree with what he was saying about Sally's Ranger hints, but I don't think it's all that bad that I'm suddenly gonna switch over like that. I said at the beginning of toDay that I was willing to vote for Inzil, so why do you think it's so weird that I'm saying I still am willing to vote for him? Goodness you confuse me sometimes...

I'm gonna hold off for a bit longer, to hear more from those who haven't been around as much and still might have stuff to add. But I think I'll probably stick with Inzil.

[Nogrod]

I'm really torn with this decision.

In a way I think our wolves could well be Inzil and Shasta and thus I could vote either one with good conscience.

Then again I think that if both of them are not wolves and I vote it wrong, there will be three innocents and two wolves to vote - and thus with only one bad vote or an innocent failing to vote the wolves might get through toDay. And that would mean quite probable ending for the game.

I'm pretty suspicious of Inzil, but he did warn Sally not to ask the ranger to make a hint to her as it would be dangerous, as the wolves might spot it, and that sounds innocentish - although if I were a wolf I would have said the same thing to look concerned for the good of the innocents...

But then again Shasta's last few posts scream a wolf to me. I was actually right with Izzy yesterDay and that suspicion was truly aroused by just one later post of hers. So should I trust that small but reasonable looking suspicion or should I go with my more substantial suspicion which has counter-arguments as well?

OMG wilwa, why do you have to look so opportunistic right now when I need to decide? You're not making this easier to be honest...

[Nogrod]

Okay. I need to go to sleep now. And it was actually wilwa's post that pushed me to this decision.


++ Shasta

Explanation: if it's not Inziland Shasta, it's more likely Shasta and wilwa than wilwa and Inzil. Thus Shasta figures in both combinations I find more likely.

Make it good!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I need to add... while in the meantime you try to give us untrue or fabricated replies... and now you wish we should believe that at this point you're finally true whilst earlier you were just... well what? Why didn't you say that already much earlier? Let me guess... You came up with that explanation only now?

And if I'd told you that straight off , you'd have said 'All right then'? I did have that in my mind at the time.
For someone accusing me of fabricating a case, you're doing quite well yourself.
Funny how you never mentioned any serious suspicion of me til I came after you. But I think your reaction shows I'm right. I was starting to doubt somewhat after your explanation of your interactions with Sally yeaterDay, but your twisting my response to Wilwa's Ranger question gives me conviction. If I was a wolf, why wouldn't I have said, 'Sure, let's have it, Ranger.'?

EDIT- x/d with Nog, who didn't vote for me? Are you not a wolf, or just a bloody clever one?

[Nogrod]

I hadn't logged off yet...

Originally Posted by Inziladun

If I was a wolf, why wouldn't I have said, 'Sure, let's have it, Ranger.'?

Simple reason: that would have been very stupid for a wolf - and I know you're not stupid, but a reasonable person - sao that doesn't quite white-wash you if you thought it would...

EDIT- x/d with Nog, who didn't vote for me? Are you not a wolf, or just a bloody clever one?

wilwa pushed me into it with her light-hearted "I'm ready to vote Inzil" -comment. I still don't trust her you know, and her post showed she hadn't read the last posts - or she didn't want to take them into account - like she was protecting Shasta? Who knows? But I still think lynching a male is our best option - and Shasta didn't make it too hard to vote for him as I started to wawer with you.

You know the wolves can afford to go after certain persons they want to get rid of as they know who are on which side. But innocents need to consider and reconsider all the possibilities.