Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[the phantom]

Oh good gravy, Steve- you honestly think that the quote from Sally disqualifies the plan? All it says is that you must spread your votes, hence you do not put all three votes on Shasta (he was just one example), but rather one on Shasta, one on Phantom, etc...

And if you don't want to vote for non-players, just agree on a plan to dump your first three votes on each other and forge a massive tie.

Plus didn't I already tell someone earlier not to be a ruler-kisser? It's really lame.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Oh good gravy, Steve- you honestly think that the quote from Sally disqualifies the plan? All it says is that you must spread your votes, hence you do not put all three votes on Shasta (he was just one example), but rather one on Shasta, one on Phantom, etc...

And if you don't want to vote for non-players, just agree on a plan to dump your first three votes on each other and forge a massive tie.

Plus didn't I already tell someone earlier not to be a ruler-kisser? It's really lame.

Don't give them ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

What's the point of first applauding the ingenuity of this game, then suggesting to introduce a classical lynch vote through the back door? Who gets no vote is lynched, period. No need for any extra votes or markings (unless you want to confuse poor alona, who's suffered quite enough recently by having her heart eaten and all that).

Going with the point Eönwë made about modified wolvish behaviour in #48, I must say most of you are acting much too reasonable and eager to help for my peace of mind right now (not that I'm a shiny exception myself, I suppose). Obviously you can't all be wolves, but at the moment I'm tempted to vote for one or two of the quieter and weirder people, just in case.

Nonsense. When you're a wolf, you become Mr. Agreeable. I haven't seen that yet. Unlike Pitchwolf, you seem to be somewhat confrontational...though that may just be this game.

I'm probably going to vote Nog, Nienna, and Zil. They all look pretty innocent to me. Not sure about the fourth yet...probably a quiet person I don't think is a wolf but probably won't get many votes so may get lynched.

EDIT: xed since Zil.

[wilwarin538]

So a very quick scan through and so I'm gonna go with:

++Lottie

Everyone who still hasn't voted I just want to reiterate what I just said. 4 way tie and we don't get a lynch. The votes so far do seem fairly spread out, which is good, but hopefully a vote count shows up soon and people can keep the tie thing in mind. Yes, I'm paranoid about a no lynch, I'm also paranoid that one of those people with 1 or 2 votes are going to get lynched just because they went unnoticed, and that's not really a concrete basis for lynching.

Anyway, I spent all morning with a bunch of hyper 4 year olds so I'm kind of exhausted, gonna go sleep now. Good luck!

x'ed with Lottie and Brinn

[satansaloser2005]

Check the admin thread.

[Loslote]

Okay...

++Nienna

++Zil

May vote Nog. May vote Fea. May vote Pitchie. May vote Izzy. May vote Glirdy. May vote Wilwa.

Will not vote Eonwe. Will not vote Brinn.

Will probably not (but might be persuaded to) vote Formy, Nerwen, Mira, or Gwath.

EDIT: xed with Miss Mod.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I'm not entirely sure as to why people are thinking this is way different than "normal". Quite often, when people vote - it comes down to a "whomever is left".

People will makes lists of their thoughts on every player, putting into categories of "innocentish, won't lynch, slightly suspicious.." etc. Then voting for a person whom either they find suspicious, or whomever is "left over" and they've "no idea about".

You have a point there– at least if you're talking about Day Ones only. After that we generally have more to go on.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Here, we are just placing our votes with/on/for people whom we want to keep around. Not entirely different than making lists. By voting for whom you want to keep around, it already shows whom you may think is suspicious indirectly.

But much too indirectly– at least in this stage of the game, when there are so many players. The big problem we have is that the lynch-result may not give us much information– the wolves can help get an ordo lynched simply by doing nothing, and then claim they never suspected the victim at all.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Extra note: Would you stop with the "here and reading" announcements? I've seen several of those (Wilwa, Nerwen, and Loslote, maybe more), and you don't seem to realize that not everyone is allowed to say that (unless you are within an hour of the deadline).

*has sudden urge to spam the thread with 500 "here and reading" posts*

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Plus didn't I already tell someone earlier not to be a ruler-kisser? It's really lame.

Yeah, but here there wasn't any benefit to be had, and if there was then obviously I was being selfish and making sure no-one else could get it.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Yeah, but here there wasn't any benefit to be had, and if there was then obviously I was being selfish and making sure no-one else could get it.

Why do you argue with The Phantom? You must know no one can possibly come off well.

EDIT: xed with Nienna.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Why do you argue with The Phantom? You must know no one can possibly come off well.

That's what you think.

Then again, I'm not the arguing type. I'm the telling type. I think he likes that. And as long as he's submissive, I don't care if he doesn't.

[Loslote]

I am leaning towards Wilwa, Fea, or Nog. I really do think Nog and Wilwa are innocent, and Fea might get my vote purely for her lovely logic here:

I view it as drawing negative space. With voting for who you want to kill, you're drawing the subject of the picture. You're making it obvious.

But when you vote for who you want to keep alive, you're filling in your background. The silhouette you reveal is the identity of the person who is least trusted.

In short, I find this argument silly, since regardless of whether you vote for favorite or least favorite, you're still eventually going to have an Undesirable die at the hands of the village.

It's just more like death by negligence instead of death by pitchfork. Just think of us leaving a poor little villager out in the cold while the rest of us party, and coming out in the morning to find them frozen in the snow.

Thank. You. Personally, I found that whole debate irrevelant and annoying. Of course you're going to mention who you suspect. We always do, we're not going to break the habit now. We've always said who we trust, too, even if we weren't voting for them. We didn't need a special format to say who we trusted then, and we don't need one to say who we suspect now.

[Eönwë]

Well, if nothing happens soon I'll just have to vote with what I've got and leave.

[Gwathagor]

Hum de dum.


++Eonwe
++Nogrod
++Brinn
++Form

[Loslote]

Thank you, Gwath. Now that there's pretty much no chance of Nog being lynched, I'm going to...

++Fea
++Wilwa

EDIT: xed with Rune and Mira

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

So I thought thid would be a nice game without any of the usual Nogrod anthics. . .but I was wrong.

I do appoliogise for not being arround, things did not turn out the way I thought. . . I guess I won't make much of a contribution today!

I don't have any real suspects, Nogrod is more or less the same as normal. . .which always annoys me, Fea is unpredictable. . . everything is as it normally is.

[Isabellkya]

Argh. F5 refresh game is not fun. No prizes or high scoring. Just missing post content.
My stomach is rumbling, and I'm not want to reconstruct the lost content.. in a gist..

In an effort to not have a widespread tie.. and I don't know whom to help to Simoncy, so not going to put my vote(s) there..

++Wilwa
++Mira
++Nienna
++Inziladun


X'd with everything after #131. argh.

[Loslote]

I'm off to dinner, will hopefully be back before dl.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

*has sudden urge to spam the thread with 500 "here and reading" posts*

I would say "That's the spirit!", but I'm paid to be critical, not pat people on the back.

And Fea- you started off so well! Why get off the rails with false tales of my characteristics, or the dynamics which existed during our meeting? I remember quite clearly that you were the one who was so pleased to find your arms bound, and you called me a "control freak" to boot.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I remember quite clearly that you were the one who was so pleased to find your arms bound, and you called me a "control freak" to boot.

I see you've chained - er... I mean changed... your location...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Not evil
Nerwen- Looks better with every post, but I think her comment about wolves breaking the rules on purpose wasn't a very good start. Which makes her seem innocent

This is something that's puzzling me– people seem to be attributing the "wolves trying to look like dumb ordos" theory to me, but actually my post where I mention it is a response to this post by Lottie. Just an FYI.

So.

Who I will probably not be voting for, as of the time of posting

The phantom. Clearly evil!
Shasta. See the phantom.

And apart from those hideously furry individuals–

Glirdan.

Made too much of the Night-time debacle for my liking. Lottie also did to some extent, though she's been making sense otherwise. *shrugs* It is Day One...

I also probably won't vote Zil, because of a vaguely uneasy feeling he's giving me, which may mean nothing. Again... Day One...

Who I'm currently thinking of voting–

Well Nogrod made good points about stating suspicions, which Fea countered it with other good points... so I think I might follow the current fashion by giving one or both of them a vote. Also I'm liking Steve.

Other than that, it's still a pretty wide field, and we have another 2 1/2 hours, so I believe I will keep some votes in reserve for a bit.

I think we need to look at the people who are currently in danger of being lynched (because apparently nobody wuvs 'em ).

Avoid, though, voting for people just out of pity– someone else will just get lynched instead. We need to think about who actually seems more or less innocent/useful/whatever.

EDIT:X'd since Steve at #151.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Made too much of the Night-time debacle for my liking. Lottie also did to some extent, though she's been making sense otherwise. *shrugs* It is Day One...

*coughsomethingotherthanbantertotalkaboutonDay1cou gh*

*coughI'mbackcough*



EDIT: xed with Gwath down.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Other than that, it's still a pretty wide field, and we have another 2 1/2 hours, so I believe I will keep some votes in reserve for a bit.

Actually, wasn't the extension settled at 1 hour? Which means DL is in about 13 minutes.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think we need to look at the people who are currently in danger of being lynched (because apparently nobody wuvs 'em ).

Also, Simon should be a consideration. Looks like Nog, Fea, and Wilwa are all tied for first right now. And me?

x/d with Rune and Lottie (and the co-mod)

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

That's what you think.

Then again, I'm not the arguing type. I'm the telling type. I think he likes that. And as long as he's submissive, I don't care if he doesn't.

*gag*

So this extra time thing is seriously throwing a monkey wrench in my life. *cue excuses* I have a friend coming in about 20 minutes and love this game though I do, sometimes RL must take precedence. So ima go ahead and do my voting now and might be back around later.

++Glirdan Also don't want him to get lynched Day 1. Poor kid never gets to play this game anymore.

++Fea She's much too amusing to kill off this early.

++Form I really don't think a wolf would slip up and post before they were supposed to. Especially one as experienced as Form.

++Lottie No real reason, just have an okay feeling about her.

[alonariel]

Vote Count:

Brinn - 3
Dun - 7
Fea - 4
Form - 4
Glirdan - 6
Gwath - 4
Izzy - 3
Lottie - 10
Mira - 5
Nerwen - 10
Nienna - 8
Nog - 14
Pitch - 5
Rune - 2
Steve - 14
Wilwa - 3

Edit: Added Lottie and Mira's votes.,

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Vote Count:

Brinn - 3
Dun - 7
Fea - 4
Form - 4
Glirdan - 6
Gwath - 4
Izzy - 3
Lottie - 10
Mira - 5
Nerwen - 10
Nienna - 8
Nog - 14
Pitch - 5
Rune - 2
Steve - 14
Wilwa - 3

Edit: Added Lottie and Mira's votes.,

Vote count or post count, dear?

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Vote count or post count, dear?

I think she may have mixed them both together...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Alona, I'm mad confused by your lists, because not that many people have voted...

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Alona, I'm mad confused by your lists, because not that many people have voted...

I know, I think I borrowed from Nienna's list and crossed wires somewhere. I'm going back right now and double checking. Will post soon.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Fea
++Formendacil


Because I love them and they both look smashing in speedos

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Vote Count:

Brinn - 3
Dun - 7
Fea - 4
Form - 4
Glirdan - 6
Gwath - 4
Izzy - 3
Lottie - 10
Mira - 5
Nerwen - 10
Nienna - 8
Nog - 14
Pitch - 5
Rune - 2
Steve - 14
Wilwa - 3

Edit: Added Lottie and Mira's votes.,

Post count, right?

Oh, I see this has already been pointed out. Never mind. Not trying to rub it in.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I haven't been able to read through all posts, so could somebody please tell me: Am I in major danger of being lynched?

Anyways, I don't have much constructive to offer on this day one, the only thing that has caught my mind is how easily people have made a major deal about the early posts. . . Which is really silly! Sure it is a thing that needs attention, but enough is enough!

[wilwarin538]

My mother's lasagna is cutting my reading short, so I only got to the first few posts of page 4. But here is what I had quoted and my thoughts:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What I don't like is our chance of getting an un-dreamed wolf in the early part of the game.

This sentence doesn't make sense to me, and it's fishy.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Oh and Glirdan, did they really lynch you on Day 1 last game? I remember there were a few who joked about lynching you Day 1, but I didn't think they'd actually do it. Meanies.

He was actually Hunter killed Day 1, not lynched, haha, poor kid, worst luck...

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Hopefully a Seer-reveal will be entirely unnecessary. But if someone did vote for a wolf obtained from a Seer dream, they'd be in the hot seat, no matter their excuse.

First sentence is what I'm looking at. And this may get me alot of scrutiny but a Seer is really only useful if they've revealed. I mean a Seer could dream of 3 wolves and then die before saying anything, and then what good were their dreams? Unless they left really awesome hints, but even those can be hard to catch and are risky, especially if the dream was for a wolf. So a Seer reveal is actually almost necessary for them to be helpful. Yeah, it's way better later on in the game then on Day 1 when they've only have one dream, but to be "entirely unnecessary" is kind of rediculous, it's actually usually necessary at some point.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Would it be skirting and or bending the rules, if we had a bigway tie for toDay, and thus no one would go to the noose?

No idea why she made such a suggestion. Lynching is all we have, of course we want it to happen, even if we don't get a wolf it's better then not trying. Considering the number of Fenris wolves out there it's obviously possible.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

If we do have a system of showing who we want to lynch, it draws attention away from those in who aren't in the list and who have only received a few votes of confidence. It means that these people may be able to last for quite a few days with only a few votes and remain undetected. Of course, we'll still have the same problem now, but now no-one who isn't voted is safe and have to work to gain the village's confidence, but if we do the lynch-thing, people that aren't on there will be "safe" and will probably not be looked at as much as those under suspicion.

But it's not like everyone will vote for the same people every day. suspicions changed, I mean 10 minutes ago I had no opinion on quite a few people, and now I'm suddenly paranoid about a bunch of you. So I doubt people could skim through as easily as you think. Also, I don't get why you fought Nog's suggestion so hard, Pitch did as well but I think Eonwe took it a bit too far. It really was not that big of a deal.

*breathes*

Gonna stop now and go eat, I'll be back later. I will try and get out of this foul mood I seem to have landed in.

x'ed with nog, oh and the underlining is mine..