WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Boromir88]

This is my first time checking in today, I'll read up and get posting soon.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

This is my first time checking in today, I'll read up and get posting soon.

*curls up on your shoulder, promptly falls asleep*

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

Originally Posted by Inzil-majesty

I was saying I didn't fault Nerwen for questioning ww's vote, after Agan thought Nerwen could be wolfy for calling it into question, and that's suspicious?

Nope.

Originally Posted by Inzil-majesty

I didn't see it that way. That vote should receive some scrutiny, and I don't think she was overly eager about suspecting ww.

What I found suspicious here is the fact that you say that winty's vote should receive some scrutiny, which is nonsense. We can speculate the whole Day about him being a) newbie with little knowledge of the game, b) newbie who has played this on different fora, c) newbie with instructions to play a "newbie-card" by his packmates, d) newbie who thinks two steps ahead of most of us, e) newbie who just plays dashingly bold... you can continue that list. But that will lead us nowhere, especially if he doesn't come forwards to take part of the discussion - and that would not be "scrutinising his vote" anymore.

If there first is no explanation and when the explanation finally comes and is a verse from the book, there's little to scrutinise.

Why I find that suspicious then? If you were an innocent and thought there was something to scrutinise there, then you would have given it a thought - and even a slight thought would have told you immediately there wasn't. So can we infer that you actually didn't care? If you don't care to think about it that little as to see there's nothing to speculate there, then it would look like you are not caring about it. But still you wish to say that aloud, that "his vote should be scrutinised", which makes me think you were more concentrated on thinking how to make yourself look concerned than being actually concerned about the possibility of learning whether winty-w is good or bad (like if you knew it already or something?) - and just didn't realised that what you suggested might look good but when looked at more closely turns out ridiculous for anyone who is actually interested in on what side winty-w is...

Blah. I hope even someone gets what I mean as I'm getting quite frustrated with this nasty thing called language...

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EDIT: X'd from Lommy's list onwards...

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[Aganzir]

Hey Nog you posted the same post twice.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Had this argument last time maybe I should do this "so and so "FEELS" off" somehow acceptable me seeing something I find odd and pointing it out that's weird?

Anywho... No one pops out want to vote agan... but won't because That Would be knee jerk... I do have to vote soon though

(Responding to post 80 forgot to quote it.)

Sorry but would you care to speak English that's understandable even to a non-native speaker so I don't have to spend a twice longer time reading your post than I would need for anyone else?

As you might have noticed I didn't play in last game. And it's perfectly alright to point out what you find odd, but your thought process in the post I found suspicious seemed half-hearted and lazy and somehow far-fetched too (the part that Lommy or someone else pointed out). Give better reasons for your suspicions and I might change my mind about you.

But yeah as for now

++Mirandir

because thus far she seems the most suspicious to me.

oh and

--Mirandir
++Mirandir

as I dislike retrackies anyway, and this is what I think everyone should do because otherwise the wolves will probably use them against us in the end.

I'll hang around here till I've finished my tea and will go to sleep then.

[wintywinty]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

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What I found suspicious here is the fact that you say that winty's vote should receive some scrutiny, which is nonsense. We can speculate the whole Day about him being a) newbie with little knowledge of the game, b) newbie who has played this on different fora, c) newbie with instructions to play a "newbie-card" by his packmates, d) newbie who thinks two steps ahead of most of us, e) newbie who just plays dashingly bold... you can continue that list. But that will lead us nowhere, especially if he doesn't come forwards to take part of the discussion - and that would not be "scrutinising his vote" anymore.

Any of these choices could be possible, but I prefer d and e. Also, Someone please explain to me how eliminating re-votes will help the Non-wolf team later on. Finally, many have mentioned how Tweedledee always has good insights on shtuff and she seems very good at the game, therefore if she is a wolf, then she would be huge asset to the wolf team. This is my reasoning for voting for Tweedledee.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Any of these choices could be possible, but I prefer d and e. Also, Someone please explain to me how eliminating re-votes will help the Non-wolf team later on. Finally, many have mentioned how Tweedledee always has good insights on shtuff and she seems very good at the game, therefore if she is a wolf, then she would be huge asset to the wolf team. This is my reasoning for voting for Tweedledee.

Yes, but she would also therefore be a good asset to the village. And besides, she's super busy, so she can't get up to too many hijinx this game.


I still fault this is egregiously poor reasoning. (And yes, I really just wanted to say egregious.)

[Isabellkya]

Are you nefariously aligned Loslote?


x'd with Loslote and Boro.

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Lottie

I almost *know* Zil, Nog and Boro aren't.

You trying to *hint* at something here? Perhaps you're fellow packmates? But you know what, I know that you would not do something THAT obvious.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Seriously, though, and adding to the IC reasoning: You jumped on the "Nerwen's *sigh* is off" mini-bandwaggon; you're jumping on the Lottie-waggon now; and you're fraternizing far too readily with the other people I think are evil (Agan, Sally, and Greenie).

Can you explain to me how and when I have been fraternizing with Greenie and Agan? I have not said two words to either of them. As for Sally, yes, I have fraternized with her, IC, as, if you have read the books, our characters go together.

Edit: Xed since last post

[Aganzir]

Okay I don't have too much time now...

*is sad about Boro's death*

Originally Posted by Lommy

First off, I'm quite surprised Fea turned out to be the cobbler.

Me too but I'm happy she was lynched in the end. That's what happens when you think you know better what Fea is doing...

Originally Posted by Lommy

four wolves who can think together and they might be rereading the thread overNight.

No s*it Sherlock!
I don't think the connection was that obvious either. While skimming through the thread in the night I noticed there might be something between them, but I didn't actually think they were the Shirriffs. However it's likely that the wolves spend more time looking for possible connections than the innocents. But on the other hand, Lottie might have been a relatively easy lynch today... So I don't really know.

Originally Posted by Brinn

And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...

Good morning Brinn! :-p And to be honest I'm quite surprised that Lommy is posting as early as at 11.

Lottie I'll have to go through sally myself before judging her but I think you're maybe a bit too subjective in your analysis (at least Lommy and Macalaure are allowed to laugh at this comment). Like, you've already decided she's a wolf so you consequentially see everything she says or does in that light.
And yeah this is Aganwolf defending her fellow and whatnot (by the way last night I had a dream I was a wolf. Inzil was too).

Originally Posted by Lommy

Loslote, why are you so sure the wolf quartet is Greenie, Agan, Glirdan and Sally?

I'd like to know that too (and not only because I'm one of her wolves) and I would totally be suspecting her because of it if she wasn't the other Shirriff... Because I have yet to see a day 1 when someody pins down all the wolves at once (oh wait I did that in Mith's game! But granted it was jokingly ;-)).

Okay a proper look at yesterday now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Anywho, Boro agreed most fervently about Greenie and Sally. He was not as enthusiastic about Agan and Glirdy, but he did agree that it was likely they were wolfly. He trusted Nienna and Mira most out of everyone who was him or me. Just in case you were wondering.

out of everyone who was not him or you, you wanted to say, I assume. Anyway... in contrary to people wondering about Lottie's suspects, I suggest we really consider them strongly (especially those which they agreed on). Of course, they are subjectively biased by the fact that it's two Shiriffs who have something in common who are making them, but the fact that two innocent people can communicate and agree on somebody is worth taking into account. Of course a bunch of innocents can be misled by pursuing the same illusion (and it happens all the time), but still - two brains know more than one. How many PMs did you guys exchange, Lottie? Especially the last Night? (Not sure if you are any longer around, but anyway, I think this might be a good thing to say anyway, as for us to take into account in the future - the more you've been able to put together the better.) For that matter, did you or Boro have any fears as to that you might be targeted at Night? (Like that Boro's apology to Fea in the last minute... when I saw it, it seemed like rather an unfortunate thing to say.)

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't think the connection was that obvious either. While skimming through the thread in the night I noticed there might be something between them, but I didn't actually think they were the Shirriffs. However it's likely that the wolves spend more time looking for possible connections than the innocents. But on the other hand, Lottie might have been a relatively easy lynch today... So I don't really know.

Curious. As I haven't been skimming through the thread much, but I haven't noticed any connection between them, however, thinking about Lottie (wondering whether she is a Wolf or not), I remembered that "I am not evil" saying of her, and came to the conclusion that if I were to believe her, then it basically screams Shiriff, as they are the ones who are not allowed to reveal - so that's as most as she could have said. But maybe your brain is just not as clever as mine or then you are intentionally misleading us (rather clumsily, though) in trying to say that you weren't part of any Night planning.

That said, whereas Agan is starting to slightly annoy me again, I still want to keep myself in check and I don't think she is a Wolf, actually. Not this time. And at least I would hope I am right.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

You know Lottie, I've read you're reasoning of suspecting me and I still don't quite understand it. Could I ask you to clarify?

Okay. You're evil. My reasoning in a nutshell.

Seriously, though, and adding to the IC reasoning: You jumped on the "Nerwen's *sigh* is off" mini-bandwaggon; you're jumping on the Lottie-waggon now; and you're fraternizing far too readily with the other people I think are evil (Agan, Sally, and Greenie).

[Isabellkya]

++Mira

It really comes down between her and Legate for me. With Sally voting for LEgate and hoping others would vote for him.. that worries be, couple with her behavior in the last few minutes.

I don't like how Mira used the same reason to both put Fea on a normal side, yet found Winty suspicious of it.


X'd with everything after #198.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

[high*light]++Mira[/highlight]

It really comes down between her and Legate for me. With Sally voting for LEgate and hoping others would vote for him.. that worries be, couple with her behavior in the last few minutes.

I don't like how Mira used the same reason to both put Fea on a normal side, yet found Winty suspicious of it.


X'd with everything after #198.

Switch!!! Switch!!!!

[Isabellkya]

When I say it looked obvious that there was a connection between Boro and Loslote. It was primarily his duty speech. He also seemed very anti-Loslote lynch. Perhaps they thought he was the Seer instead?

Loslote, do you have any reasonings behind your categorical choices?

I think the most o.O votes from yesterDay are Nog's for Fea and [b]Shasta[/b's for Greenie.

The Greenie and Legate votes for Loslote, I think are the most suspicious on that wagon. Legate because of what I said yesterDay. He didn't seem to actually be concerned about the Loslote wagon; he was saying it, to merely say it. Greenie's vote looked opportunistic.

Loslote. Sally was the only Legate voter. Glirdan voted for Shasta.

Haha @ Sallyglare.

I'm confused Loslote. You say Legate is more innocent, because Sally and Glirdan voted for him. But then you talk about Glirdan's vote for Shasta.

Skip. Loslote claimed to be the other Shirriff. So far, no one has counter-claimed her. So the likelihood of her actually being the other Shirriff is pretty high.

I have to agree with Nerwen in regards to the multiple sentiments of surprise for yesterDays last minute voting. Uhm.. since when are the last minutes not crazy or frantic?

Legate seems a lot more... wordy that usual.

Yes Skip. To the wolves, both Fea and Loslote were innocents.

So Sally looks to be the easy lynch candidate toDay?

Brin, are you and Winty packmates? That paragrapgh addressed to him, looked like you were supplying him with a reason.

Sally's 'defense' of the suspicions against her, seem quite flat and completely void of emotion. Almost as if she doesn't care if she goes.

I can't agree with you 'pegging wolves' is the only reason you get lynched quickly Loslote.

I agree with Aganzir on her point against Winty. As it looks like there is no legitimate reason for his statement regarding Brin - other than perhaps he is a wolf, and it was discussed amongst his fellows.

You know.. all of this 'will explain my vote later' from multiple people.. is quite irritating. Is it really that difficult to attach a sentence or two with your vote? No, I don't think it is.



I apologize. My attention span today is atrocious. It took me two hours just to get through page seven. Then a new page popped up every time I went to the next.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

When I say it looked obvious that there was a connection between Boro and Loslote. It was primarily his duty speech. He also seemed very anti-Loslote lynch. Perhaps they thought he was the Seer instead?

Loslote, do you have any reasonings behind your categorical choices?

Yes - for the two Unsures, Boro and I considered you as a possible wolf if we were wrong about someone else. Brinn I just didn't have an opinion about yet. Now I trust her more than I suspect her, but I still don't have much of an opinion.

I think the most o.O votes from yesterDay are Nog's for Fea and [b]Shasta[/b's for Greenie.

The Greenie and Legate votes for Loslote, I think are the most suspicious on that wagon. Legate because of what I said yesterDay. He didn't seem to actually be concerned about the Loslote wagon; he was saying it, to merely say it. Greenie's vote looked opportunistic.

Nog's and Shasta's? Why?

Loslote. Sally was the only Legate voter. Glirdan voted for Shasta.

Haha @ Sallyglare.

I'm confused Loslote. You say Legate is more innocent, because Sally and Glirdan voted for him. But then you talk about Glirdan's vote for Shasta.

Yes. I was mistaken about that. Sorry.

I have to agree with Nerwen in regards to the multiple sentiments of surprise for yesterDays last minute voting. Uhm.. since when are the last minutes not crazy or frantic?

Ah, but there was quite a bit of behind-the-scenes planning...I can see where some people might have gotten lost.

Legate seems a lot more... wordy that usual.

Isn't he always wordy?

So Sally looks to be the easy lynch candidate toDay?

Pretty much, and I personally am not going to fight it.

Sally's 'defense' of the suspicions against her, seem quite flat and completely void of emotion. Almost as if she doesn't care if she goes.

Lovely point, dear.

I can't agree with you 'pegging wolves' is the only reason you get lynched quickly Loslote.

True. I am also silly and people just like lynching me.

You know.. all of this 'will explain my vote later' from multiple people.. is quite irritating. Is it really that difficult to attach a sentence or two with your vote? No, I don't think it is.

Agreed.

I apologize. My attention span today is atrocious. It took me two hours just to get through page seven. Then a new page popped up every time I went to the next.

Heh. Don't worry about it. I've been having issues focusing, too.

EDIT: xed with Izzy

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I apologize. My attention span today is atrocious. It took me two hours just to get through page seven. Then a new page popped up every time I went to the next.

Sharing the feeling...

Okay, one thing. There has been something I don't think honest in Mira's posting and now her vote on winty looks like a too easy one - like Shasta's rambling over whether to vote Morsul or winty.

Morsul tends to get lynched and at least suspected a lot just because of the way he thinks / plays (to disprove that we once let him be the whole game and of course he was a wolf then and won...). So I'm not saying he can't be a wolf, but jumping on suspecting him is the easiest choice possible because one can always quite legitimately say "he looks suspicious" as that is what he does, everytime.

With winty I see more a new player getting to grips with this game more than a wolf. And the most suspicious thing (making reasons for his vote afterwards based on things that had happened after his vote!) he admitted he had come up. Also, if they were mates, why would Brinn tell him in public on D2 how he should have played on D1? Couldn't she have just said it last Night? But it surely is easy to say he looks suspicious (he does). Say that and more or less everyone nods.

They both could be wolves (probably not both but one of them), but I'd choose someone I have a real suspicion instead of Morsul (as the chances of getting it wrong are that big) or winty (he has been better toDay than on D1, so maybe he should have a chance to show can he improve on D3). They may not be "easy lynches" as many people I think share my view on them, but they are "easily voted" as none would normally blame anyone voting for them...

Originally Posted by Sally

x'd with the Moddess, who momentarily confused me.

Even if I PM'd that vote to her, seeing Wilwa voting kind of made me gasp as well...