WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Loslote

This...this has to be one of the most blatant pieces of bandwaggoning I have ever seen... Vanilwuffin, dear, if you're trying not to look suspicious, this is not the way to do so.

Uhm, I know. I am exhausted, and really annoyed, and don't really know what else to do. I either vote for someone I really find suspicious, knowing full well that no one else will vote for them and therefore wasting my vote. Or I bandwagon a little and use my vote for someone I do find suspicious, and maybe it'll be a bit more useful.

I vote a wolf. I look bad. I don't vote the seer. I look bad. I don't bandwagon. I look bad. I do bandwagon. I look bad. I vote for someone I barely find suspicious. I look bad. I vote for someone I do find suspicious. I look bad.

I'm thinking no matter, I'm gonna look bad. And the sucky thing is I'm really not bad!

Uh. I know I should shut up now cause I'm probably not making things any better, but I'm really at a loss to what I should be doing right now...

x'ed with Lottie again.

Out of the 5 BG voters (I'm counting Lottie technically in there, since she helped push it along), 2 are under some real suspicion, and of the 2 I think Para looks worse (I said earlier that the cross post thing with Shasta made him look better). I think it's a pretty logical vote.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I just refreshed the page. Ok, so now Mira's dead. This is crazy. According to the narration it wasn't even like someone showed up and killed her, she just died by freak accident. Going to assume it's the other secret role, or this is Eomer's kill maybe?

No, or I'd have indicated that the console had been sabotaged or something like that.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Oh Captain my Captain, am I right in assuming Keeper Mira was modfired? ("getting slammed by work", and it was an accident, with no killer involved)

"Getting slammed by work" happens to be a direct quote from Mira herself.

—Also: the spirits of Sallymorph and myself have come to an understanding in the afterlife, and she may be helping out with tallies and so forth.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

All the bandwaggoners got off fairly clean toDay, but the person who didn't bandwaggon and voted a wolf is suspicious. Now I do what ya'll did yesterDay and I look bad?

The difference between yesterDay's voting and toDay's is that toDay Paranoia doesn't look nearly as bad as BG did. In the case of BG, it's difficult for me to see how anyone could have backed away from voting her under those circumstances without having some knowledge she was innocent.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

"Getting slammed by work" happens to be a direct quote from Mira herself.

At least there's an ordinary explanation for one occurrance on this ship.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

it's difficult for me to see how anyone could have backed away from voting her under those circumstances without having some knowledge she was innocent.

I backed away!!! I took a couple minutes to look more closely at what she was saying, and at the two lists in question, and I was able to understand what she was saying. Once I got that it had just been a mistake I wasn't going to vote for her since that had been the only point against her. I could have taken the easy way out, shut my mouth and went a long with it, but I didn't.

Anyway. I'm going for real now, I really can't stay up any longer or I'll be exhausted for work in the morning.

x'ed with Izzy and Rikae

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading. I got to Pitch's #42 in my analysis of him before I got sucked into something else and am just now getting back, so that will get done tomorrow.

Right now Wilwa's defenses of herself are seeming more and more impassioned and frustrated, and while normally I'm a sucker for the frustrated innocent defense (having been a frustrated innocent more than once ), I still can't help but think this is morphish frustration rather than innocent. Barring anything truly damning, I'll probably be voting for Wilwa today.

[Rikae]

I have to agree with you on Wilwa's defense, Shasta. She's definitely second highest on my suspect list, but I'm kind of hoping the Assassin already has or will check her. If Izzy's guilty, that points to Wilwa quite nicely (look at her comments on the BG-wagoners), and either an innocent or guilty Izzy would shed light on the BG wagon.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

My, my, Modwen, your game is starting to be as silly and confusing as one of Sally's! Almost, anyway. Not quite, but then, it'd be hard to rival Sally's games.

Tehe. Just....tehe.


Anyway, to business....



Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)


More people should vote so's I have more to do. *nods sagely*

[satansaloser2005]

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa

[wintywinty]

Could someone post the formatting to highlight stuff please?

[Paranoia]

[highlight]

[wintywinty]

Thanks

[Pitchwife]

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

Already modfired, I'm thinking.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I must admit, I rather approve. I would not be adverse to an Izzy-lynch.

I haven't honestly given a lot of thought to Izzy, though Rikae does bring up some interesting points.

However, I think Wilwa is still tops on my list.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

Already modfired, by request.

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Could someone post the formatting to highlight stuff please?

Highlight text /Highlight in brackets with no spaces

x/d with all since 216

[Rikae]

I'm not liking this Paranoia wagon. There really seems to be little decent reasoning behind it, and a very morphish looking Wilwa made it a wagon at all (very quickly and eagerly, even). I don't really find Pitch morphish - what he's doing here does seem a bit like what a tasty apple pastry might, though, in order to deflect suspicion from the really morphish. I will really have to look closer at the interaction between Pitch and Wilwa, because the Paranoia votes seem almost coordinated. Like I said, more cobbler/morphish than co-morphish.

[Rikae]

Oh man - I wondered why I had never noticed Mira was playing until she was modfired! Oy.

[satansaloser2005]

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie


EDIT: x'd since my last. And now I want a tasty apple pastry. Darn.

[satansaloser2005]

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie
Pitch-->Wilwa (2)


*grabs some popcorn, listens to rain and waits for more vote posts*

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie
Pitch-->Wilwa (2)


*grabs some popcorn, listens to rain and waits for more vote posts*

You appear to have me and Pitch confused there, and he's on there twice.

[Rikae]

I'm getting an uneasy feeling about Izzy, and also seeing what appears
to be a link between her and... someone else. But we shall see.
I do have a history of pretty much always suspecting her, so I'll
have to do my best to be objective here:

Day One

#52
Banter, and this (I guess in response to Eomer's talk of wolves not
drawing attention to themselves on Day 1?)

Originally Posted by Izzy

Thinking someone couldn't be a metamorph because 'a metamorph would never do something that suspicious, or that x' .. doesn't necessarily work. Because a metamorph is obviously capable of anything.. add to that the specific player..

Interesting, considering the direction things took later that Day.
Obviously absolute statements are going to occasionally prove
false in WW, but as a general rule, Day one lynches are often confused
innocents who blunder out of carelessness while the wolves sit back and
enjoy the show. Wolves love those kinds of Day Ones.
Then again, I've argued with people who have written off Day 1's as
useless, too, since that kind of apathy is unproductive. Still, that
doesn't seem to be what Izzy's doing here. It seems more like a
sly spreading around of potential guilt than a call to action.
I always tend to "hear" a bit of a smirk behind Izzy's posts, which
I tend to read as "evil", though. I could be wrong.

#58
Tries to get Sally to elaborate on her suspicions. Could really
be innocent or co-morphish equally easily, I think.

#59
Asking about deadline.

#74
Votes for BG for voting someone BG previously called "relatively
innocent". I find this vote way too... itchy-trigger-finger-ish. It seems
as though having an excuse to vote is more important to Izzy than finding the truth
at this point. Izzy could have asked about it - after all, as she herself points out toDay, people can think in their heads - I would assume she would include BG among the "people" who might do so, instead of jumping on her immediately like this.
Also noticed that Izzy doesn't yet bring up the "fabricated list" issue that she mentioned
toDay.

#79
Telling Lottie to refresh.

#82
Posts BG's list showing Lottie as "relatively innocent".

#89
Banter about pattern.

#92
After BG says she copied Lottie's list - points out she had to
have moved the name to "relatively innocent" from "most innocent".

Day Two:

#125
Says (in response to Shasta) that voting for BG didn't even have
to depend on comparisons to her last game, but simply that
she voted for someone she had called innocentish.

#135
Fairly sensible, if waffle-y, talk about the possibility of a Wilwamorph
voting for a Sallymorph on Day 1, plus some confusion about the narration.

#141
Thinks the Assassin and the Defender know each others' roles.

#164
Fairly defensive repsonse to Pitch's suspicions.

Originally Posted by Izzy

If someone makes a mistake like she did - it implies her list of suspicions was fabricated. She did copy it from Loslote. Who would need a fabricated list? Innocent's don't. But metamorphs do.

Actually innocents might, especially gifteds on Day 1 who lack any solid suspicions. But be that as it
may, the question is - does Izzy realize that? Is she saying this in good faith? I have
to wonder that if the idea of the list being "fabricated" was so important, she would
probably have mentioned it yesterDay at some point.

#180

Originally Posted by Izzy

I needed to vote, and she did a scummy slip up. So I didn't particularly see a need to wait for her to explain.

Well, at least she's honest. May as well just say "I don't really care whether I vote for a baddie or not,
just as long as I get my vote in", eh, Izzy? Not an innocentish attitude in my book at all.

Claims she thought BG's vote may have also been a seer hint. I'm with Pitch on this - I don't buy it, plus, if she thought this, then she did the last thing an innocent should have done in jumping in with a vote for BG immediately!
This comment could even be a bit of morphish honesty. Sometimes that is a good strategy when evil - makes one's arguments more solid - but in this case, it's incriminating whether
true or false.

I find the repetition of the "didn't vote because of the previous game" a little odd.
There's plenty of reason to question Izzy's vote, regardless of that, and what she's doing kind of reminds me of the times I've been a wolf accused of doing something I actually didn't - focusing heavily on the part of the suspicions that don't apply while hoping the true guilt
is overlooked.

Yeah, Izzy's pretty suspicious, indeed. I don't see anyone more
suspicious around, so:

++Izzy

Edit: x'd with... speak of the devil!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

[*highlight]++Izzy[/highlight]

I must admit, I rather approve. I would not be adverse to an Izzy-lynch.

EDIT: xed with Shasta

[Loslote]

Wolf Pack:
Wilwa
Izzy

Probable Innocents:
Lottie (without the probable, of course)
Zil

Nary A Clue (But Gonna Say...Innocent???):
WWinty
Rikae
Noia
Shasta

Nary A Clue (But Gonna Say...Naughty-Morphy???)
Pitchie

[Nerwen]

Half an hour till DL.

[Rikae]

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

Pay attention!

EDIT:X'd with Sally. Okay, I'll accept that her re-formatted vote on winty's behalf.

[wintywinty]

Just finished reading.

Most Suspicious:

Pitchwife, Wilwa, Noia, and Zil

NotQuiteasSuspicious:

Izzy, Lottie

NotSuspicious: Shasta, Rikae

Undecided:

Everyone Else

AbsoultelyNoSuspicion:

WintyWinty


I will vote in the top category listed, unless someone posts something glaringly wolfish between now and the DL.


X'd with last 3 posts