WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Trufax. However, we don't want to lynch the cobbler toDay either, as that would result in End Game as much as lynching an innocent. So I'd rather "clear" the cobbler and know not to lynch them than not know anything at all.

In fact, we can't afford to have an innocent vote the cobbler at all toDay. So I suggest everyone hold off voting as late as you can, until all players have responded.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Also. Eomer? He should die. One out of Greenie and Eomer are almost definitely evil, Greenie's definitely not, which leaves...

Who do you suppose to be his partner, then?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

In fact, we can't afford to have an innocent vote the cobbler at all toDay. So I suggest everyone hold off voting as late as you can, until all players have responded.

Agreed. As far as I know I'll be here around the DL, so there's one innocent who can wait around and watch for sneaky ties and things.

That being said, I won't be on much (if at all) between when I go to bed tonight and about three hours before DL. Just so everyone knows, etc., etc.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Who do you suppose to be his partner, then?

I honestly don't know. I feel pretty good about Pitchie, but I could well be wrong about him. I don't really suspect you, but you are, by default, my second choice for "most evil". Agan wins first choice, but I don't really suspect her either. I'm pretty sure Skip is the cobbler, and I'm pretty sure about Sally's innocence. So...Agan, probably. But I'm a thousand times more sure about Eomer.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok Loslote, you're being pretty obvious. I just hope the village doesn't fall for it.

A thousand times more sure about Eomer, eh? That's only meaning one thing.

Clearly, I can see your game, though no-one else will -- unless you-know-who (and I ain't talking Voldemort) steps forward - not sure if that's wise yet though.

Nerwen's remark was interesting too. She said there's 3 baddies to 4 innocents. There's no way she doesn't realise that the cobbler could be gone already, unless she is the cobbler; but why would she reveal as the cobbler right now? She could be manipulating us to deduce that she is the cobbler, so we don't 'waste' a kill on her.

Worrying. What does everybod else think about that? Or have I misread it?

I note Loslote gives a in response. Too daring?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Ok Loslote, you're being pretty obvious. I just hope the village doesn't fall for it.

A thousand times more sure about Eomer, eh? That's only meaning one thing.

Clearly, I can see your game, though no-one else will -- unless you-know-who (and I ain't talking Voldemort) steps forward - not sure if that's wise yet though.

What, you think I'm hinting at being the Seer or something? I'm not the Seer, I'll get that out of the way right now. By 'thousand times more sure', I meant that, compared to my almost assurance of your guilt, my suspicion of Agan is barely acknowledgeable.

Nerwen's remark was interesting too. She said there's 3 baddies to 4 innocents. There's no way she doesn't realise that the cobbler could be gone already, unless she is the cobbler; but why would she reveal as the cobbler right now? She could be manipulating us to deduce that she is the cobbler, so we don't 'waste' a kill on her.

Worrying. What does everybod else think about that? Or have I misread it?

Erm...because Zil announces the roles of the dead people, and there hasn't been a 'cobbler' among the list of the dead.

I note Loslote gives a in response. Too daring?

What's this now? Daring how? Did I hint again without knowing it? I thought I was simply pointing out that we can't take the Seer's innocents at face value.

EDIT: Just realized I bolded one of the quotes instead of quoting it. Fixed.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Loslote

What, you think I'm hinting at being the Seer or something? I'm not the Seer, I'll get that out of the way right now. By 'thousand times more sure', I meant that, compared to my almost assurance of your guilt, my suspicion of Agan is barely acknowledgeable.

Erm...because Zil announces the roles of the dead people, and there hasn't been a 'cobbler' among the list of the dead.

It seems you're correct about the last thing; I'll give you that much.

But I don't buy your explanation of the first. That's an incredibly strong accusation of me (an innocent) compared with another villager. At this stage of the game it's pretty hard for the village not to see you as the Seer, with a comment like that.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But I don't buy your explanation of the first. That's an incredibly strong accusation of me (an innocent) compared with another villager. At this stage of the game it's pretty hard for the village not to see you as the Seer, with a comment like that.

What? You think throwing out a tentative "maaaaaaybe Agan..." and then saying "but I actually suspect Eomer" (because that's what my comment amounted to) is suspicious? I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Nerwen's remark was interesting too. She said there's 3 baddies to 4 innocents. There's no way she doesn't realise that the cobbler could be gone already, unless she is the cobbler

??? Do you know something we don't, Eomer? Where does it say the cobbler's role won't be revealed on death?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

??? Do you know something we don't, Eomer? Where does it say the cobbler's role won't be revealed on death?

Apologies if I've misunderstood - it wouldn't be the first time in WW - but I thought Cobblers weren't revealed on death?

Probably getting confused with Curseds.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Apologies if I've misunderstood - it wouldn't be the first time in WW - but I thought Cobblers weren't revealed on death?

Probably getting confused with Curseds.

Yes, you probably are. Cobblers are usually revealed on death, and there was no indication this game would be different.

[Nerwen]

Fea, yesterDay

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Sigh. I didn't think he was the Ranger (I keep sort-of forgetting that role)... but I did think he was innocent. So now I'm a bit bummed that my list of people I trusted is slimmed down that much more.

Could this have been taken as a Seer- hint? If so, the wolves haven't been paying attention:

Originally Posted by The Rules

If xe dreams of the Ranger, the two may PM during the Night Phase only as long as both live.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I don't at all care how suspicious it makes me look to not be around all Day and then just spontaneo-vote for somebody I've not expressed feelings about. Particularly since I'm not going to bother trying to make myself look good by giving you a bunch of bogus reasons as to why this doesn't look suspicious. Of course it does, and I'd be lying if I was like, "No, really, it's completely legitimate to just show up and vote for somebody without giving any good reason."

++Skip

I would much rather see him go than Greenie. If I'm wrong, well, my bad. And if I'm right, I hope the wolves kill me so the seer can get another night.

And more importantly, I hope the seer's dream targets are all still alive so that we get a few known innocents instead of just one or none.

This post, however, does seem like the sort of thing that might look Seer-ish to the wolves. Which doesn't look good for Skip; however, the wolves might also have thought the "dream" was Greenie, in which case this would also be an attempt to frame Skip. (There's no trail from Fea to anyone else, either.)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Cobblers are usually revealed on death, and there was no indication this game would be different.

To clear this up, the Cobbler's role will be revealed upon xyr death. It's only a Seer's dream that will cause xym to show as an ordo.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I honestly don't know. I feel pretty good about Pitchie, but I could well be wrong about him. I don't really suspect you, but you are, by default, my second choice for "most evil". Agan wins first choice, but I don't really suspect her either. I'm pretty sure Skip is the cobbler, and I'm pretty sure about Sally's innocence. So...Agan, probably. But I'm a thousand times more sure about Eomer.

From my point of view, though, it's a puzzle:

Here's the Day Two votes (known innocents underlined)

Wilwa --> Loslote (1)
Nerwen --> Wilwa (1)
Boromir --> Sally (1)
Green --> Wilwa (2)
Skip - Wilwa (3)
Eomer --> Green (1)
Lottie --> Eomer (1)
Aganzir --> Eomer (2) (on DL)
Pitchwife --> Eomer (3) (after DL, didn't count)

Didn't vote: Fea, Sally.

See, I can understand how you (assuming you're innocent) could see me as a possibility. But I know I'm not a wolf, so for me the question is: if Eomer is Wolf 2, and Skip is the cobbler, who can Wolf 3 be? Agan, if a wolf, didn't need to vote Eomer– she could have just voted Skip like she was talking about, let Wilwa die and kept her hands clean. Now, that wasn't a "safe" vote– either Pitch or Sally following it would have killed Eomer. Could she have just assumed she'd stalled long enough that there was no time for anyone else to vote?

EDIT:X'd since Lottie at #266; clarification.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

See, I can understand how you (assuming you're innocent) could see me as a possibility. But I know I'm not a wolf, so for me the question is: if Eomer is Wolf 2, and Skip is the cobbler, who can Wolf 3 be? Agan, if a wolf, didn't need to vote Eomer– she could have just voted Skip like she was talking about, let Wilwa die and kept her hands clean. Now, that wasn't a "safe" vote– either Pitch or Sally following it would have killed Eomer. Could she have just assumed she'd stalled long enough that there was no time for anyone else to vote?

You know, I don't think she could have assumed that. As a wolf, it really doesn't make sense. But then, it doesn't make sense for wolf!you to point that out, either. So is it possible I'm wrong about Pitchie? Here's a question: can anyone think, off the top of their head, without reading through, anything contraversial he's done? Like, really contraversial? Because now that I think of it, his behavior around Eomer was exactly Mr. Agreeable, and he could have held off voting until just after DL. Does this make sense, or am I being silly?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

So is it possible I'm wrong about Pitchie? Here's a question: can anyone think, off the top of their head, without reading through, anything contraversial he's done? Like, really contraversial? Because now that I think of it, his behavior around Eomer was exactly Mr. Agreeable, and he could have held off voting until just after DL. Does this make sense, or am I being silly?

No, it makes sense, I think. And somebody's usually the quiet wolf.

But then, how about Agan-cobbler and Skipwolf (impersonating the cobbler)?

[skip spence]

Making a quick pop-in...

well well another Day that went badly...

Poor Greenie... At least you could've sent her sometime nice... Like the swinging 60's...

But okay, let's not be hasty now. We can't afford to lynch another ordo tonight, that's certain, but at least we've got a Seer still alive who can have a say about that. The wolves will be feeling the heat too, no doubt...

Will be back later during the Day... No rushed votes now, ladies and gents!