WW LXXX: It's About Time! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Agan

His conclusion is that wilwa and sally look more suspicious for defending EW. Quite understandable but I can but disagree with him - if they were wolves, would they really have tried to stop him getting lynched?

In retrospect I agree. Voting Wilwa was a proven mistake and I'm not really into lynching Sally either at this point.

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he doesn't trust Eomer in any way.

Simple as. At that point I didn't trust him at all. Without saying that I suspected him in any particular way either.

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He says I'm clearly evil but adds he isn't sure my role in this game is evil. That's a weird comment, it could be put down on flattery (he knows how I like being evil)

It was flattery alright and I'm also flattered by your long and interesting analysis. But I feel that you are baiting me (and although I'm dying to respond in like fashion) I'm not falling for it.

There are two wolves out there and I'm not one of them. Don't think Agan is one either.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 02:19 PM

Okay, I'm going out for a few hours now. Will almost certainly be back. Be cool now!

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

But I feel that you are baiting me (and although I'm dying to respond in like fashion) I'm not falling for it.

I am not. I don't expect your reply to be as lengthy as my analysis of you, but you got to face it, you look very much like the cobbler. If you're innocent, you're harming us by refusing to answer to my points against you & trying to make me look like I was making a mountain out of a molehill. Was there nothing you'd like to clarify, or did I get everything right and you're now trying to hush it down?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-30-2010, 03:34 PM

Interesting analysis, Agan. One of the best I've read in a while. Doesn't mean you're right or wrong, mind; I just enjoyed the style.

My problem, which I've been struggling with for a couple of hours, is that I suspect Loslote more, but fully expect there to be more support for lynching Sally (I'm talking about my two main suspects here).

Still, in my opinion, Loslote deserves to die. She made, to my mind, a vague gifted hint to make critics (skip & myself) back off - to back off from fairly legitimate questioning of her playing style, may I add. A style which seems to have changed since then (as the village has grown smaller and her role thus more prominent, I will concede).

She obviously survived this gifted hint.

She then made another vague gifted hint, saying that she was a thousand times more sure of my guilt than Aganzir's (that could be a paraphrase but those were basically the words). If she says that about any other villager, I'm voting for him/her, because that looks seerish to me. However, I'm in the privileged position of knowing that she is either making absurd claims about a blind guess, or actually lying.

Because of the stakes, I think she's lying. That's why she gets my vote.

But I do guess that Sally's the other wolf.

++LOSLOTE

And now bedtime.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:03 PM

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

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(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:08 PM

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

I'm back (obviously) but the next hour or so I'll be on and off. After that, I'm here and ready to kill a wolf. Let's get at this, people. No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

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No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

I don't know about you but I'm killing baddies, regardless of their exact role.

Now that you're here, sally, would you care to tell me why you thought either Eomer or Greenie had to be a wolf?

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:32 PM

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him.

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

Okay, not so much toDay perhaps, but Agan's theory was based on events that took place earlier and, bless you, you could easily have been lynched at some point earlier, couldn't you? As far as I can remember, which to be fair isn't that far at this point.

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:31 PM

It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching.

edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you.

08-30-2010, 02:19 PM	#2
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Okay, I'm going out for a few hours now. Will almost certainly be back. Be cool now! __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

08-30-2010, 03:34 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Interesting analysis, Agan. One of the best I've read in a while. Doesn't mean you're right or wrong, mind; I just enjoyed the style. My problem, which I've been struggling with for a couple of hours, is that I suspect Loslote more, but fully expect there to be more support for lynching Sally (I'm talking about my two main suspects here). Still, in my opinion, Loslote deserves to die. She made, to my mind, a vague gifted hint to make critics (skip & myself) back off - to back off from fairly legitimate questioning of her playing style, may I add. A style which seems to have changed since then (as the village has grown smaller and her role thus more prominent, I will concede). She obviously survived this gifted hint. She then made another vague gifted hint, saying that she was a thousand times more sure of my guilt than Aganzir's (that could be a paraphrase but those were basically the words). If she says that about any other villager, I'm voting for him/her, because that looks seerish to me. However, I'm in the privileged position of knowing that she is either making absurd claims about a blind guess, or actually lying. Because of the stakes, I think she's lying. That's why she gets my vote. But I do guess that Sally's the other wolf. ++LOSLOTE And now bedtime. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-30-2010, 04:03 PM	#5
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them. Votes: (Pitch - most likely no vote) Eomer - Lottie __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

08-30-2010, 04:08 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying. I'm back (obviously) but the next hour or so I'll be on and off. After that, I'm here and ready to kill a wolf. Let's get at this, people. No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 04:32 PM	#8
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point. As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him. Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:31 PM	#13
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching. edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.