WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Aganzir]

This doesn't really matter because I'm almost certainly voting for skip today, but...

I'm not voting for Nerwen, Pitch or Eomer today. I'm much more worried about Eomer being just an easy lynch than actually a wolf, and I still haven't got a satisfactory explanation for why he must be a wolf because Greenie turned out innocent.

Will take a quick look at Lottie now. Is there anyone around (except skip & sally, probably)?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I have no idea what I should do with Eomer. Before making up my mind, I'd like to hear some explanations from those who said either him or Greenie must be a wolf.

They were my top suspects, but it looked impossible for them to be a pack. So I figured that one of them was evil, and one wasn't. Now that Greenie is proven to be the 'wasn't', Eomer is my top suspicion.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Agan always does this. I'm inclinded to trust her more because of it, even if I don't entirely agree with her.

Originally Posted by skip spence

So, Lottie, you around?

Now I am.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements.

Is it really so hard to believe?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

They were my top suspects, but it looked impossible for them to be a pack. So I figured that one of them was evil, and one wasn't. Now that Greenie is proven to be the 'wasn't', Eomer is my top suspicion.

I still think you're a tad too sure of it, but I'm willing to let it pass. At least it's definitely not enough to make me vote for you.

I'll be around till the deadline but I'm not going to hold my vote any longer.

++skip

Because I think he's definitely our best bet at the moment.

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie (1)
Agan - skip (1)

Left: Nerwen, sally, Lottie, skip

[Aganzir]

Lottie apologises when voting for EW (bold for a wolf?). She tends to mention me, Pitch and sally as people she trusts (skip and Eomer looked decent on day 2, and she didn't know of Nerwen). She's been obsessing about Eomer since he and skip compared her behaviour in different games. Apparently she thought he was hinting at her being a gifted, but he had only played with her once before so I don't think you can really accuse him of suggesting she's a gifted if her only playing style he knows is from a game she was a gifted. And suddenly she suggests lynching him.

She acknowledges my point of Eomer not having played with her before, but come the next day, Eomer still looks like a big bad wolf. The previous day she had only had a weak case against him and a vague gut feeling about Greenie, but now she's all up for killing them both. However, she also goes through skip's posts and finds him rather cobblerish. If she was a wolf, would she try to throw the cobbler into the spotlight? I think not, unless she or one of her fellows was in an immediate danger of lynching.

Now she's so sure of Eomer's wolfdom she's looking for fellows for him. Pitch is Mr Agreeable around Eomer, and I'm apparently a possible wolf too.

Ah heck... She could really go either way. Her seemingly ungrounded suspicion of Eomer & Greenie is weird and reminds me easily of her suspicion of me the first time we played together. I mean, being so sure she's blind to any other options. But it would also be quite convenient for a wolf, especially now that they have to push to get a few innocents lynched in order to win.

I'm totally at a loss.

[skip spence]

One thing is clear: Lottie AND Eomer aren't both wolves. Unless I'm tripping...

[skip spence]

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

Half past 10am if a random website I googled is to be trusted.

[skip spence]

Yeah okay no point in delaying this any longer...

It's either he, Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

True, Eomer hasn't been caught with his pants down but be that as it may, I think he's our best bet to get a wolf at this point. Not an easy lynch mind you, but if you ask me, a necessary one.

++Eomer

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by skip spence

[*highlight]++Eomer[/highlight]

Say what now? My head hurts.

[satansaloser2005]

Shhhh. I'm not really here. *sneaks* Vewwy vewwy quiet, hunting wolves, etc.

Anyway, I have to point this out, because I find it relevant.

Originally Posted by Skippity, speaking of possible wolves

It's either [Eomer], Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

From this we can conclude the following....

Dreamed Innocent (if at all)
Nerwen
Sally

Dreamed Guilty (if at all)
Agan
Lottie

It's unclear what Pitch's dream result would have been, as he's place with the possible wolves but disregarded in the same sentence (albeit with a meta excuse) so I'm not sure what Skip was trying to say about him there.

And of course the cobbler will turn up as innocent, so it's possible that Nerwen (or myself, for the benefit of argument) could be the cobbler.

Still, from that, if we're basing toDay's lynch on Skip's words, we should lynch Agan, Pitch, or Lottie.

I'll repeat myself (and Skip, for that matter) and say that Lottie and Eomer aren't fellows. Thus my lynch vote toDay must go to either Agan or Pitchie, with Nerwen as a far-off third.

Also, I have the crazy yet insanely plausible theory that I've been wrong about Agan all along, and that she's just the cobbler. Otherwise that would be some INTENSELY obvious wolvery from her, what with the cobbler-killing and all. Besides, I think Agan's more than clever enough to have picked up on Skippity's earlier hints, hence her desire to lynch him. (Not to say that no one else could have picked up on his hints, mind, but she's the one trying to lynch him, so it makes sense.) I'll have to think about it and come to my final conclusion on her.

Unfortunately, we can't afford to give Pitch a pass toDay even with his family circumstances, so if he doesn't return I don't want to see anyone using that as an excuse to let him pass. (By the same token, I don't want to attack him. It's just that letting him live based on meta circumstances is not the most prudent game move at this juncture. I think he would understand.)

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

I'm back. And it's 10:37 AM, but I'm not working today– at least, I should be, but I'm actually waiting around for some other people to get their acts together.

So I'll be probably be around until DL this time– unless my connection dies on me, which I can't guarantee it won't.

EDIT:X'd with 2 Agans.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm apparently a possible wolf too.

Not really. The only reason I had for suspecting you at all was a lack of other suspicions. Same thing I've been saying to Eomer: I'm a thousand times more sure of him because I'm not at all sure of you. A thousand times .01 isn't a seer dream; its normal suspicion.

EDIT: xed with skip and Agan

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Not really. The only reason I had for suspecting you at all was a lack of other suspicions. Same thing I've been saying to Eomer: I'm a thousand times more sure of him because I'm not at all sure of you. A thousand times .01 isn't a seer dream; its normal suspicion.

Yeah I know that... But I can't really see why Eomer is so suspicious, either. If he was a wolf I think he would've reacted differently to your suspicion; he was more like "Don't you try that trick on me" than "EEEEEK have I been seer-dreamed help me!?!?"

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah I know that... But I can't really see why Eomer is so suspicious, either. If he was a wolf I think he would've reacted differently to your suspicion; he was more like "Don't you try that trick on me" than "EEEEEK have I been seer-dreamed help me!?!?"

Neither would I have been. I never said I'm the Seer (because I'm not) so he was never dead. He could still fight it, and what better way to save himself than by casting suspicion on who he thought might be the Seer? Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

Probably Eomer or skip.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Neither would I have been. I never said I'm the Seer (because I'm not) so he was never dead. He could still fight it, and what better way to save himself than by casting suspicion on who he thought might be the Seer? Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

Hence I think either he's trying to trap innocent!Lottie or Lottie is a wolf. I think the latter is more likely.


And I'm not sure yet. I think I'll have to go with the best of the candidates presented when I vote. Sadly, it's looking like Skip's going to flip the biscuit. I mean I'm not saying I trust him completely, but I'd prefer other suspects.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Hence I think either he's trying to trap innocent!Lottie or Lottie is a wolf. I think the latter is more likely.

??? Sally, was that a typo for "the former", or have you just done another Legate-180? (Which needs to go in the Glossary, now that I think about it.)

EDIT:X'd with several, incl. Sally's explanation.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Probably Eomer or skip.

While I hate to say this (I think people should have the right to vote for whomever they please), it's probably best not to spread the votes too much. That way an innocent getting lynched is more likely, if the wolves hold their votes till very late.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And I'm not sure yet. I think I'll have to go with the best of the candidates presented when I vote. Sadly, it's looking like Skip's going to flip the biscuit. I mean I'm not saying I trust him completely, but I'd prefer other suspects.

If you ask me, we should try him. Can't do too much harm.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

Exactly. I just can't see it being worth it. If he had night-killed you, he would probably have been suspected regardless of whether you were the seer or not, but then he could at least have said the wolves were just trying to frame him. Whereas now, if you actually were the seer and revealed him, he'd have no way whatsoever to get out of it. Yes of course there are fake reveals and stuff, but he would've been in so much more serious trouble.