Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Folwren · 09-22-2010, 06:36 PM

K, this does NOT make sense:

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Originally Posted by Greenie

It (being Sally being the seer) did cross my mind, yes, but like Nerwen I rejected the idea quite soon seeing how she behaved after the vote. That brings me nicely to talk about why I suspected Sally, since that has been questioned. Her rep vote on Day 1 was odd to be sure, but what I found really suspicious and what made me vote her over Lottie on Day 1 and continue finding her elvish on Day 2 was how she posted, otherwise. Her purposeful hiding behind phantom, jumpiness, and open opportunism (such as not saying she suspected Lottie because that would be seen as suspicious) made me seriously suspect her. Obviously I was wrong, but at that time it seemed reasonable.

If Sally were smart enough as a seer NOT to do what she did, why would she not be smart enough as an elf not to do what she did? If Greenie thought she was smart enough not do that as a seer, why would Greenie think she was an elf when that move was almost equally as stupid?

Okay...so after looking at all of Greenie's posts, my main problem really lies with that she doesn't seem to have good reasons to suspect people. I think she weaves thick webs for the people she chooses to kill. Her web caught me and I killed Sally. I strongly think that Nerwen is innocent, and I think that Greenie's post against her is flimsy, but if I weren't so convinced of Nerwen's innocence, I can see being swayed by it.

If she's an elf, she's playing it really well. But I don't trust her.

And I know that all that review and analysis was really bad, but it's the best I can do with the time I've got plus with my inexperience at this.

-- Foley

x-posted since my last post.

Inziladun · 09-22-2010, 06:41 PM

Rune, the "I'd never do that as a wolf" defense probably wasn't the best thing you could have said to convince me.

And what's this about Nerwen and Greenie now?

Nerwen · 09-22-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

I really don't like the way phantom seems to want to hide behind his own (admittedly strong) personality as an excuse for his actions. I don't know that he's evil, but his reactions to being suspected make me even more wary of him.

He's annoying, but there's currently too much evidence pointing away from him. Wouldn't be a good vote option.

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Originally Posted by Zil

Shasta is rather enigmatic. He makes me nervous for some reason, but I did like the fact that he challenged phantom.

Shasta did a lot to get Lottie killed on Day One. I don't think he's an Elf.

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Originally Posted by Folwren

If Sally were smart enough as a seer NOT to do what she did, why would she not be smart enough as an elf not to do what she did? If Greenie thought she was smart enough not do that as a seer, why would Greenie think she was an elf when that move was almost equally as stupid?

Well, the dynamics aren't the same, though. If there's four wolves they can afford to be "silly"– the Seer can't.

However–

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Originally Posted by Foley

Okay...so after looking at all of Greenie's posts, my main problem really lies with that she doesn't seem to have good reasons to suspect people. I think she weaves thick webs for the people she chooses to kill. Her web caught me and I killed Sally. I strongly think that Nerwen is innocent, and I think that Greenie's post against her is flimsy, but if I weren't so convinced of Nerwen's innocence, I can see being swayed by it.

See my last post on her.

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-22-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

If we have a single-lynch today, there will be ten of us tomorrow. Now, suppose that the Seer somehow has a way to deliver to you the names of three innocents (or his own name plus two innocents, still adding up to three).

That will leave 7 total unknowns, with 3 Elves (2 if we're lucky today) hidden in their midst.

Since there will be 10 total, we will be able to elect 5 reps. And with 5 reps, we can lynch 5 people.

So, the proven innocents come up with a voting plan, mandate who the reps should be and who should vote for them, ensuring that there are 5 total. Then everyone debates between the 7 non-provens and decides which 5 to lynch (this should be decided EARLY- start doing it in the first half of the day).

The proven innocents then tell the 2 reps who aren't proven to cast their lynch votes for one of the 5 candidates decided upon. Once they've voted and thus everything is safe, the 3 provens split their votes on the other 3, thus clinching a 5-way tie. With numbers like that, I'd say the odds would be favorable that we'd lynch the Elves, or at the least not have more than 1 left alive.

If 1 is left alive, then naturally he will slay one of the provens during the night, but the next day there will be 4 villagers left and 2 of them proven innocent. And so those two tell the remaining two to make them Reps by casting a vote for either of them, and then the 2 known innocents proceed to lynch the two other villagers to secure the victory. If the Elf refuses to cast his Rep vote the final day, then of course everyone will know for a fact precisely who he is and the 2 provens can vote for the other unknown and he can lynch the last Elf.

So... thoughts? I'd say it's a darn good plan.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyway, just to make my plan a bit more clear, if you should wish to adopt it, ignore everything else I've said and assume that your three proven innocents are- Lommy, Kath, and Rune.

Gotta run. I'm not certain if I'll be back before the deadline, so just in case- best of luck everyone.

So are we ignoring these posts and their content?
What is being implied seems pretty important to me or have I completely misunderstood them?

Inziladun · 09-22-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

So are we ignoring these posts and their content?
What is being implied seems pretty important to me or have I completely misunderstood them?

I saw it. I know how it could be interpreted.

x/d with Foley

Inziladun · 09-22-2010, 06:59 PM

++Greenie++ X 2

x/d with Nerwen and Rune

Folwren · 09-22-2010, 07:01 PM

Let's hope I/we weren't wrong.

Inziladun · 09-22-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Let's hope I/we weren't wrong.

You're really why I voted her. Don't be wrong!

Nerwen · 09-22-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Let's hope I/we weren't wrong.

*crosses fingers*

EDIT:X'd with Fea and Foley.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 09-22-2010, 07:02 PM

Deadline.

Greenie dies.

Narration will be late because I'm going to watch trashy cheerleader television. I'll have narration up in about an hour and a half.

Inziladun · 09-22-2010, 06:54 PM

Bleh. Had to run downstairs and kill a spider found by the little one.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

He's annoying, but there's currently too much evidence pointing away from him. Wouldn't be a good vote option.

And annoyance isn't enough?

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Shasta did a lot to get Lottie killed on Day One. I don't think he's an Elf.

I wouldn't vote for him right now, anyway.

x/d with Rune

Folwren · 09-22-2010, 06:56 PM

About Phantom's idea: I don't think we could verify who was a real seer.

Also, reps, you better start voting. Don't let Nerwen die, that'd be stupid.

-- Foley

Nerwen · 09-22-2010, 06:57 PM

I am willing to vote Rune or Greenie.

Do not let me die, please. That would not help.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-22-2010, 06:58 PM

I would of course love to save my own skin, so if that means voting Greenie, then I will do that.l

Nerwen · 09-22-2010, 06:59 PM

++Greenie++

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-22-2010, 06:59 PM

++Greenie++

Cross posted with Nerwen.

09-22-2010, 06:41 PM	#2
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Rune, the "I'd never do that as a wolf" defense probably wasn't the best thing you could have said to convince me. And what's this about Nerwen and Greenie now? __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

09-22-2010, 06:59 PM	#6
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	++Greenie++ X 2 x/d with Nerwen and Rune __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

09-22-2010, 07:01 PM	#7
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Let's hope I/we weren't wrong. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-22-2010, 07:02 PM	#10
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Deadline. Greenie dies. Narration will be late because I'm going to watch trashy cheerleader television. I'll have narration up in about an hour and a half. __________________ peace

09-22-2010, 06:56 PM	#12
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	About Phantom's idea: I don't think we could verify who was a real seer. Also, reps, you better start voting. Don't let Nerwen die, that'd be stupid. -- Foley __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

09-22-2010, 06:57 PM	#13
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I am willing to vote Rune or Greenie. Do not let me die, please. That would not help. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

09-22-2010, 06:59 PM	#15
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	++Greenie++ __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.