WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inziladun · 01-07-2011, 04:15 PM

Ach, I'm sorry Lottie. I let myself be swayed at the last second by Nessa.

Her defense of you looked genuine. Hats off to her if she's a wolf.

I can understand where the desire to lynch me might be present. If you feel you just can't deal with the uncertainty, or you can't find anyone else who looks worse, go for it. I rather wish you wouldn't, because it won't net you a baddie, and these double kills are fast mounting up.
I'm off work tomorrow, so I'll do my best to be as productive as possible.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-07-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ach, I'm sorry Lottie. I let myself be swayed at the last second by Nessa.

Her defense of you looked genuine. Hats off to her if she's a wolf.

I can understand where the desire to lynch me might be present. If you feel you just can't deal with the uncertainty, or you can't find anyone else who looks worse, go for it. I rather wish you wouldn't, because it won't net you a baddie, and these double kills are fast mounting up.
I'm off work tomorrow, so I'll do my best to be as productive as possible.

Zil, after reading this (especially the underlined part - underlining mine, of course) - I cannot help to ask: Aren't you perchance the Cobbler?

Nonetheless, I really have to wait for your answer (unless it is super-fast) till morning, I really have to go to sleep...

Inziladun · 01-07-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Zil, after reading this (especially the underlined part - underlining mine, of course) - I cannot help to ask: Aren't you perchance the Cobbler?

Nonetheless, I really have to wait for your answer (unless it is super-fast) till morning, I really have to go to sleep...

No, I am not the Cobbler.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-07-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

No, I am not the Cobbler.

What else could you say, anyway. Okay, will be back in some later hours.

Inziladun · 01-07-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

What else could you say, anyway.

Precisely. I don't think it's likely people are going to simply take my word for it.

Rikae · 01-07-2011, 04:32 PM

Well, Inzil ought to to a bit better job of explaining than "swayed by Nessa" if he wants to be let off the hook. Clearly the outcome was very important to him, but he wasn't the one being lynched at the end there.

Lommy voted for him, and Valier suspected him. Continued framing attempt? It's pretty extreme, for that. Double bluff? The way the lynch went yesterDay, it would seem at least one of Nessa or Inzil has to be a wolf, or at least at the time I was thinking "there wouldn't be these many waiting until the last minute unless a wolf was on the line". Still, I suppose it's always possible that the wolves are trying to push the predictable lynch of Inzil because they can (rather than because Nessa is a wolf); and, on the other hand, I don't like his passive response at all. It doesn't strike me as innocentish, certainly not framed-innocentish.

Inziladun · 01-07-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, Inzil ought to to a bit better job of explaining than "swayed by Nessa" if he wants to be let off the hook. Clearly the outcome was very important to him, but he wasn't the one being lynched at the end there.

The outcome was important because I wanted to make the right choice. If Nessa hadn't chimed in when she did I would have gone with her.

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Still, I suppose it's always possible that the wolves are trying to push the predictable lynch of Inzil because they can (rather than because Nessa is a wolf); and, on the other hand, I don't like his passive response at all. It doesn't strike me as innocentish, certainly not framed-innocentish.

You know, since I've been suspected by some from the start, and that last vote wasn't exactly a shining example of my innocence, I was feeling fairly confident I'd be a main target toDay. Like I said, I'm not going to merely fade away, but I'm resigned to the fact that this Day could be my last.

Macalaure · 01-07-2011, 04:44 PM

A look at the votes first.

Nessa -> Rikae (no solid reason - needs to contribute more, or eventually she'll wind up lynched)
BG -> Nessa (didn't contribute much either, but avoided the spotlight so far)
Loslote -> Kitanna
skip -> e_d (not happy with him. One I'd like to look at closer toDay)
Eomer -> Nessa(2) (not too happy with him either, but I recall that I'm always worried about him, so unless he worries me a lot, I'll let him be)
Shasta -> Lottie (I should have a closer look at his case before I pass judgement)
Pitch -> Nessa(3) (confused about him - definitely need a closer look)
Valier -> Skip
Greenie -> Inzil (not sure, not sure)
Rikae -> Lottie(2), then Inzil (3) (I don't see why wolf-Rikae would have done this; Inzil's guilt would clear her)
Lommy -> Inzil(2)
Cailín -> Lottie(2) (she thought she gave Lottie her third vote, not sure what to think of her at this point)
Mac -> Lottie(3) (I was getting worried about all the people thinking I'm innocent - sometimes giving a crucial vote for an innocent pays off

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e_d -> Lottie (4) (don't know what to think at all)
Aganzir -> Nessa (4) (alright)
Legate -> Nessa(5) (alright)
Inzil -> Lottie(5) (Nessa=wolf => Inzil=bad)

Nessa's guilt would more or less clear all her voters. She was an unlikely wolf-on-wolf victim, since a bandwaggon against her was very probable from the beginning on.

Back later with thoughts about the killed and what I said above.

Rikae · 01-07-2011, 04:52 PM

Ok, so I double posted because of something weird going on with the site - sorry about that. Anyway:

Inzil, how does making the right choice necessitate waiting until the very last second? Also, what is "Legate 180" supposed to mean?

At any rate, it makes perfect sense IF the wolves thought Inzil was seer-dreamed to go after the possible seer(s) and sacrifice him toDay to save the rest. So it may indeed be in our best interests to go with the obvious choice, but I, for one, intend to take a close look at everyone I can.

Inziladun · 01-07-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Inzil, how does making the right choice necessitate waiting until the very last second? Also, what is "Legate 180" supposed to mean?

Initially, I was waiting around to see if I would get any more votes, and vote to save myself accordingly. The "Legate 180" referred to my sudden opinion change.

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Originally Posted by Rikae

At any rate, it makes perfect sense IF the wolves thought Inzil was seer-dreamed to go after the possible seer(s) and sacrifice him toDay to save the rest. So it may indeed be in our best interests to go with the obvious choice, but I, for one, intend to take a close look at everyone I can.

I think I'd be a likely Seer-dream, but it doesn't concern me.

Rikae · 01-07-2011, 04:40 PM

Well, Inzil ought to to a bit better job of explaining than "swayed by Nessa" if he wants to be let off the hook. Clearly the outcome was very important to him, but he wasn't the one being lynched at the end there.

Lommy voted for him, and Valier suspected him. Continued framing attempt? It's pretty extreme, for that. Double bluff? The way the lynch went yesterDay, it would seem at least one of Nessa or Inzil has to be a wolf, or at least at the time I was thinking "there wouldn't be these many waiting until the last minute unless a wolf was on the line". Still, I suppose it's always possible that the wolves are trying to push the predictable lynch of Inzil because they can (rather than because Nessa is a wolf); and, on the other hand, I don't like his passive response at all. It doesn't strike me as innocentish, certainly not framed-innocentish.

Pitchwife · 01-07-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ach, I'm sorry Lottie. I let myself be swayed at the last second by Nessa.

Her defense of you looked genuine. Hats off to her if she's a wolf.

Er, pardon? You think Nessa's defense of Lottie was genuine, and this prompts you to vote the one she defended? Does not compute.

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

I can understand where the desire to lynch me might be present. If you feel you just can't deal with the uncertainty, or you can't find anyone else who looks worse, go for it. I rather wish you wouldn't, because it won't net you a baddie, and these double kills are fast mounting up.

If you're indeed innocent, I don't think it would be such a terribly bright idea to lynch you just to know for sure, for precisely the reason you mention. Just saying.

In other news, I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Nessa. I mean, it all fits - two innocents lynched to save her two Days in a row, with a Night-kill pointing to her sandwiched between them - but isn't it all a bit obvious? And I've got to admit that her last minute defense of Lottie, at a time when it looked like she'd most likely be lynched, is a point in her favour.

Anyway, I feel I've been concentrating on her a bit too exclusively and need to have a look at some other people - after some hours of sleep. See ya.

Inziladun · 01-07-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Er, pardon? You think Nessa's defense of Lottie was genuine, and this prompts you to vote the one she defended? Does not compute.

According to the standings at the time, Nessa had five votes, Lottie had four. When Nessa came back at the last second, I acted on a gut feeling and decided to save her by voting Lottie. As I'd said, I didn't really want to vote for Lottie, but if I hadn't Nessa would have been killed. If she turns out to be a wolf, I was fooled, plain and simple.

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In other news, I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Nessa. I mean, it all fits - two innocents lynched to save her two Days in a row, with a Night-kill pointing to her sandwiched between them - but isn't it all a bit obvious? And I've got to admit that her last minute defense of Lottie, at a time when it looked like she'd most likely be lynched, is a point in her favour.

I'd like Nessa to explain her vote for Rikae a bit more, myself.

Also, I think it's ironic that it's being considered that Nessa and I are packmates, when the first thing people really started suspecting me for was my criticism of her "numbers" post.

01-07-2011, 04:15 PM	#1
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Ach, I'm sorry Lottie. I let myself be swayed at the last second by Nessa. Her defense of you looked genuine. Hats off to her if she's a wolf. I can understand where the desire to lynch me might be present. If you feel you just can't deal with the uncertainty, or you can't find anyone else who looks worse, go for it. I rather wish you wouldn't, because it won't net you a baddie, and these double kills are fast mounting up. I'm off work tomorrow, so I'll do my best to be as productive as possible. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God. Last edited by Inziladun; 01-07-2011 at 04:16 PM. Reason: x/d with Agan

01-07-2011, 04:32 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Well, Inzil ought to to a bit better job of explaining than "swayed by Nessa" if he wants to be let off the hook. Clearly the outcome was very important to him, but he wasn't the one being lynched at the end there. Lommy voted for him, and Valier suspected him. Continued framing attempt? It's pretty extreme, for that. Double bluff? The way the lynch went yesterDay, it would seem at least one of Nessa or Inzil has to be a wolf, or at least at the time I was thinking "there wouldn't be these many waiting until the last minute unless a wolf was on the line". Still, I suppose it's always possible that the wolves are trying to push the predictable lynch of Inzil because they can (rather than because Nessa is a wolf); and, on the other hand, I don't like his passive response at all. It doesn't strike me as innocentish, certainly not framed-innocentish.

01-07-2011, 04:44 PM	#8
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	A look at the votes first. Nessa -> Rikae (no solid reason - needs to contribute more, or eventually she'll wind up lynched) BG -> Nessa (didn't contribute much either, but avoided the spotlight so far) Loslote -> Kitanna skip -> e_d (not happy with him. One I'd like to look at closer toDay) Eomer -> Nessa(2) (not too happy with him either, but I recall that I'm always worried about him, so unless he worries me a lot, I'll let him be) Shasta -> Lottie (I should have a closer look at his case before I pass judgement) Pitch -> Nessa(3) (confused about him - definitely need a closer look) Valier -> Skip Greenie -> Inzil (not sure, not sure) Rikae -> Lottie(2), then Inzil (3) (I don't see why wolf-Rikae would have done this; Inzil's guilt would clear her) Lommy -> Inzil(2) Cailín -> Lottie(2) (she thought she gave Lottie her third vote, not sure what to think of her at this point) Mac -> Lottie(3) (I was getting worried about all the people thinking I'm innocent - sometimes giving a crucial vote for an innocent pays off ) e_d -> Lottie (4) (don't know what to think at all) Aganzir -> Nessa (4) (alright) Legate -> Nessa(5) (alright) Inzil -> Lottie(5) (Nessa=wolf => Inzil=bad) Nessa's guilt would more or less clear all her voters. She was an unlikely wolf-on-wolf victim, since a bandwaggon against her was very probable from the beginning on. Back later with thoughts about the killed and what I said above.

01-07-2011, 04:52 PM	#9
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Ok, so I double posted because of something weird going on with the site - sorry about that. Anyway: Inzil, how does making the right choice necessitate waiting until the very last second? Also, what is "Legate 180" supposed to mean? At any rate, it makes perfect sense IF the wolves thought Inzil was seer-dreamed to go after the possible seer(s) and sacrifice him toDay to save the rest. So it may indeed be in our best interests to go with the obvious choice, but I, for one, intend to take a close look at everyone I can.

01-07-2011, 04:40 PM	#11
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Well, Inzil ought to to a bit better job of explaining than "swayed by Nessa" if he wants to be let off the hook. Clearly the outcome was very important to him, but he wasn't the one being lynched at the end there. Lommy voted for him, and Valier suspected him. Continued framing attempt? It's pretty extreme, for that. Double bluff? The way the lynch went yesterDay, it would seem at least one of Nessa or Inzil has to be a wolf, or at least at the time I was thinking "there wouldn't be these many waiting until the last minute unless a wolf was on the line". Still, I suppose it's always possible that the wolves are trying to push the predictable lynch of Inzil because they can (rather than because Nessa is a wolf); and, on the other hand, I don't like his passive response at all. It doesn't strike me as innocentish, certainly not framed-innocentish.