WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[Aganzir]

It seems the wolves really want us to concentrate on Nessa... She's pretty much the only person Eomer and BG suspected. Either they're trying to frame her or want us to believe they're framing her. I find this deeply irritating.

If we don't get a wolf today, we're pretty much screwed. This is why I don't think we should lynch Nessa - just to be on the safe side.

There are a couple of people I'd love to see post more. I'm mainly talking about ed (I know you haven't played much but instead of writing how you have nothing to say you could actually go ahead and tell your opinions on everybody, and stuff), Shasta (way too smooth), Mänwe (self-explanatory) and Boro.

I am afraid of Rikae. Very afraid.

Will be back later.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Sooo, shall we lynch Nessa next and secure the wolf victory?

Seriously, people. Inzil was a very obvious frame by the wolves, and we fell right into the trap, marching and singing 'Hurrah!'. It happens way to often that the strange ones are lynched, not the sinister ones...

Can we all please re-think your suspicions now? I haven't looked at the dead yet, but they seem to me like another no-trail kill. The wolves are very, very content with the way things have been going. We need to get our act together!

It is totally disgusting, and yes, I am going to re-think my suspicions. Basically straightaway I could start from people like you, Aganzir, Rikae, okay, Eomer is dead, otherwise I would have said him, but then possibly Shasta for example. If the bunch of you four is it, then I am going to be disgusted beyond comprehension.

Speaking of this: could the kills possibly be not simply kills which are aiming at killing possible Seer picks? Like, BG was one I have suspected somewhat, likewise Eomer was sort of the enigma hovering in the background. Nessa, unless being a Wolf herself, would in such case probably have been left alive because she provides a suspect possible for the lynch. Anyway, I think the idea of killing possible Seer picks (among other things) is plausible, because with two kills, the WWs could afford doing that, in my opinion... That way, they'd get a lot of advantage.

Now I can be left to ponder if Mac's outpour is genuine, I am right now most worried that it's not. Likewise the person who posted after him.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It seems the wolves really want us to concentrate on Nessa... She's pretty much the only person Eomer and BG suspected. Either they're trying to frame her or want us to believe they're framing her. I find this deeply irritating.

If we don't get a wolf today, we're pretty much screwed. This is why I don't think we should lynch Nessa - just to be on the safe side.

I can just see a Wolf-Agan saying this, of course. Especially with Nessa as her packmate. "A reasonable suggestion, let's not lynch Nessa, really, people". Of course, it all can be in many ways, Agan being really innocent (but no, I just cannot believe that because she is still alive and well), Nessa being innocent, and all that...

(Well I must say about this post in general, the question is again, how much I am getting generally paranoid. Like, I am now, I think, in the mood to switch into suspecting some people just because I don't want them to gloat after the game - and yes, that's exactly like Agan and Mac - so I would in fact prefer to e.g. lynch Agan out of purely "selfish" reasons, so that if she is a Wolf and is lynched, even if the Wolves managed to win later, I could say "ha, I told you so". But okay, okay, I think right now I should probably do it the way that I will go to sleep and post again in the morning, when I can actually think about things more "seriously". Because right now I honestly fear of making up horrible nonsenses if I continue to be here.)

edit: x-ed with one Agan

[skip spence]

Blind Guardian:

Day 1:
Makes one insignificant post; says she won't vote.

Day 2:
Makes four insignificant posts; votes Nessa because of a "feeling" and because she "is too confident".

Day 3:
Makes two insignificant posts plus a summary of Inzil's actions; still suspects Nessa and again votes her

Eomer:

Day 1:
He has as a pretty quiet first Day. The posts with constructive contents:

Originally Posted by Eomer

Getting somewhat wolvish vibes from Nessa, Skip and Loslote; I always want to kill Kitanna, Greenie, Lommy and Kath and nothing's changed on that count, though traditional feelings are rarely valid in any given game

Originally Posted by Eomer

Well, I'd rather let Inzi live. Nessa looks a bit funny to me, so...

++NESSA

Day 2:

Thinks that the Ozban kill suggests a seer hint. (Ozban voted Nessa on Day 1) Then follows up with this:

Originally Posted by Eomer

All the loudmouths appear innocent to me. Inzi, Pitch, Rikae, Agan, Legate, Mac - nothing's ringing any bells for me. In any case, I'm happy to leave them all around and wait for the trails when we finally do get a wolf.

Nessa is still bothering me: she just feels like a wolf. The Ozban kill seems to tie in with it, so I'd be most inclined to kill Nessa today.

Skip feels less like a wolf today. Lommy is probably wicked but I can't get anything on her just yet. Elronds daughter and Blind Guardian, hmm... not sure. Valier does look pretty creepy. Too many people meaning it's difficult to separate feelings for everyone.

But still

++NESSA

Day 3:

Originally Posted by Eomer

Valier did not strike me as a seer. I suppose the wolves feared her reputation as a formidable wolf-spotter, and decided to end things.

I need to go through Lommy's posts but, as far as my memory serves me, this strikes me as another odd kill.

Could be exactly what they want, and I'm loathe to fall into a trap, but I think they would have killed me by now if Nessa was a wolf. Could be time for a re-think on my part. Need to start looking critically at these helpful, co-operative loudmouths.

Nessa, Inziladun or Skip? I would agree that Skip looks the most likely guy to be set up (by Valier's slaying). Inzil looks the most like a cobbler to me.

I really want to kill Nessa but, like I said earlier, wouldn't they have killed me (or one of the other Nessa voters) if she was guilty? It's quite possible she is the sacrifical wolf.

Macalaure looks most like the standard 'straight guy'.

Cailin, Agan, Green and Shasta all look pretty innocent to me.

BG and Manwe - possibly a wolf in there but we need to first get a wolf who leaves a trail.

Rikae and Pitch are puzzles to me. Wilwa probably innocent. Legate could go either way.

++NESSA

But I'm happy enough with Inzi too.

It takes no Sherlock Holmes to see the pattern here...

Two alternatives:
Nessa is a part of a Wolf-pack trying to get rid of the seer who they believed is either BG or Eomer.

The wolf-pack is setting us up (again). That seems all too likely eh?

It really is time to have a fresh look at the people left alive.

EDIT: x'ed with Leg and Agan

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Alive

elronds_daughter - A spirit of no-nonsense
Macalaure - Carmótar, the Maia of housework
Shastanis Althreduin - A spirit of water
wilwarin538 - Belongs to Vána, cares for all the small garden dwelling, winged creatures
Nessa Telrunya - The patron of town criers across the world
Pitchwife - Tender of Oromë's dogs
Rikae - A spirit in charge of silicon & static electricity
Boromir88 - A Maia of Mandos, the interpretter of dreams
A Little Green - A spirit in charge of aliens, hummingbirds and farming
Skip Spence - A follower of Aule with an avid interest in behavioural sciences
Mänwe - A spirit of short acquintances
Legate of Amon Lanc - A Maia associated with the unfathomed depths of the world's seas but also with the waters surrounding Arda in the outer space...
Aganzir - Aka. Firebeck, a spirit of fire
Caílin - A spirit of secrecy

Right then. A list, to first get my thoughts in order, one by one.

elronds_daughter - Quiet. Second, after Manwe, on my list of "people Shasta will analyze today".
Macalaure - Intermediate. I've been giving him a pass thus far on the basis of his outspoken-ness. This needs to stop.
wilwarin538 - I honestly don't remember much of anything that's she's said or done in the last couple of days. This is a problem - she's slipping under my radar.
Nessa Telrunya - The wolf-frame-favorite, it seems. Lots of the talk the last few days has been about her, and thinking back, I don't recall her ever passionately defending herself. Contrary to what I said about Inzil yesterday, I'm not sure lynching her is the best option today.
Pitchwife - Under my radar. I need to have a closer look at him today.
Rikae - Interesting. A lot of what she's done has made me think she's being her typical wild-ordo self. As of right now I'm okay with her.
Boromir88 - Pinging my radar a bit. I need to go back and see exactly why, but I need to see more of him today.
A Little Green - I stand by the fact that I think she's being quieter than usual. Another one pinging my radar.
skip spence - A bit farther under my radar than I'd like. One I will be looking at today.
Manwe - Tops my list of 'players to analyze' today. I don't think anyone has paid much attention to him at all, and I don't like that.
Legate of Amon Lanc - I thought him suspicious in the beginning, but what I've seen since makes me think he's more innocent. A conundrum, but I think I'm okay with him right now.
Aganzir - Entirely too evil to be evil, if that makes sense. Possibly a cobbler, but I sincerely doubt she's a wolf. (More likely cobbler than innocent, though.)
Cailin - I like her style, but I'm afraid I may have been giving her a pass due to that. One I'll be looking at today.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Now, taking the above information and putting it in a form that makes sense -

Green

Legate
Aganzir
Rikae

Green-Yellow

Nessa
Wilwa
Cailin

Yellow

Skip
Elronhubbard
Mac

Yellow-Orange

Boro
Greenie
Pitch
Manwe

Red

None

[Rikae]

Even though Inzil was innocent, it's still good that we lynched him and found out. Now the distraction is gone. / We can learn a lot from it.

[elronds_daughter]

Bah. So upset with myself for just barely missing DL yesterday. I just couldn't make up my mind. And when I finally did it was too late. Not that it would've saved poor Inzil anyways...

Not sure how often I will be able to be around toDay. Tomorrow starts the first day back to school, and my Mondays are very long. I may have to just pop in to vote a few hours early, though I sincerely hope that won't be the case. I think it would probably be better for me to not vote toDay if I don't end up having the time to make it an informed vote.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Maybe she just forgot. I mean, it isn't so common to have a retraction in a game, I believe, so...

And do wolves forget that kind of stuff? I wouldn't.

Shasta why am I green if I'm more likely the cobbler than innocent?

I think Boro is the cobbler (or a wolf posing as one, but it seems unlikelier). He is being useless and he knows it. I've been disinclined to go after him thus far because I thought he might be a gifted, but we're now four days into the game and I find it impossible he'd be so blatantly unhelpful if innocent.