Mandos Thread: DEAD ONLY! - WW LXXXVI

[Rikae]

Nog, what do you mean by:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I was more or less paranoid there in the end of D2 and you scorning me wasn't exactly helping...

don't tell me, after all that song and dance, you were reading the dead thread yourself?

And Mänwe, if you click on the post count number to the right on the Mirth page, you'll get that list.

[Rikae]

My dear departed gentlemen and/or ladies, we now may count Feanor of the Peredhil as a member of our exclusive little club. Now she can see exactly who spazzed and in what ways...

Mänwe is not a wolf, whatever else he may be.

Shasta, you are alive from this point on and may no longer read post or post in this thread. Farewell, until we meet again...

The living:

Aganzir
Shasta
Glirdan
A Little Green
elronds_daughter
Nerwen
Loslote
Wilwa
Legate
Lommy
Nessa
satansaloser2005
the phantom
Boromir88
Mithalwen
Anguirel

The dead:

Macalaure
Rikae
Mänwe
Nogrod
Blind Guardian
Fea

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hello, dolls.

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Written immediately following Deadline:

Mmkay, so at the time of Noggles's death, the Dead Thread post count is,

Shasta: 32
Manwe: 12
Rikae: 9
Mac: 1

At this point, the 'facts' that the village has are these:

Manwe was killed by the village and we do not know his role.

Shasta was killed by the wolves, and we can assume that he is therefore not a wolf.

Aganzir revealed as the Lover of Shasta. Since we will know very soon if she lied, this revelation was taken as FACT, because it would not help a wolf to make that bluff, it would not help a cobbler to make that bluff, and an ordo would not make that bluff.

Nog revealed as Seer and claimed to dream of Agan-Beren and Phantom-Cobbler.

Agan used her gender-bending feminine wiles to make Nog look exceptionally bad.

Therefore:

IF Agan is Not-Evil, which seems to be a foregone conclusion, THEN the village's decrying of Nog is accurate and we have killed either a cobbler or a wolf.

If Nog is a wolf, then it can be assumed that he was working under the auspices of the Pack, which currently contains either two or three members, one being Nog. If two, the third was Manwe and is already dead. If three, the others are unknown and are alive.

If Manwe was a wolf and Nog was a wolf, the two may now communicate via PM.

If Nog is a cobbler, he was working more or less alone (as in: he was unable to coordinate plans privately with others).

If Nog was working with a Pack, there would need to be a motive, such as to cast doubt on another player, or to cast good light on another player.

Because Dead Wolves may not communicate with Live Wolves, it is of no immediate benefit for a wolf to simply die.

There is a caveat to this: regardless of number of living wolves (either one left or two left), if it was judged to be of sufficient benefit to the remaining pack member/s for a Nog-wolf to die, then we can look at it thusly: the only person whose reputation is polished to a streak free shine from Nog's performance is the phantom.

However, I provide my opinion:

Nog is a cobbler, working to destabilize the village. He is not a wolf, and his behavior says nothing at all about the phantom's alignment.

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As of 11:00pm EST toDay, this is the Dead Thread count.

Shasta: 44
Manwe: 14
Rikae: 13
Nog: 11
Mac: 2

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Now here's the funny part:

I was going to post that since Shasta's post count rose by almost exactly the same number of posts that Nog gave, we could assume that they were bickering.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And so we have Not-Wolf Manwe, Ordo-Fea, and Probably-Cobbler Nog, and shortly we'll be rejoined by Luthien-Shasta and Beren-Agan, plus whomever is lynched.

Make good choices, village!

(Look, ModGods, I'm making good on that high post count per day rule! )

[Macalaure]

A rather uneventful Day came to an end in the timeless world of the dead. Anticipating this, the living decided to spice things up a little and add a whole bunch to the mix. I'm sure you will have plenty of things to talk about now.

The living:

Glirdan
A Little Green
elronds_daughter
Nerwen
Loslote
wilwarin538
Legate
satansaloser2005
the phantom
Boromir88
Mithalwen
Anguirel


The dead:

Rikae (mod)
Macalaure (co-mod)
Mänwe (not a wolf)
Nogrod
Blind Guardian
Feanor of the Peredhil
Aganzir (Beren)
Shastanis Althreduin (Lúthien)
Thinlómien
Nessa Telrunya


It is now Night 4. You may choose which one of you shall be revealed as wolf or not. If your role allows you to do something else at Night, too... do so.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay. I'm reasonably certain the village was intentionally TRYING to make for confusion in the group communication. Oh, we don't know if we want them to figure out Nog or New Person. Oh, let's do New Person. Wait, I don't know. Oh, no, let's, I say let's do New Person! Okay, but if we do New Person, maybe we should stand on our heads and jump up and down using our eyebrows for balance? Oh, we've got this fairly figured out? Let's kill many people, and then complain when we can't figure out what coded message the Deads sent us!

Okay. Done complaining.

As somebody (probably Agan m'dear) said, in the case of a tie, we need to determine the role of the first person to receive the requisite vote count. That's Lommy. Ergo,

++LOMMY

[Nogrod]

Ask Shasta why you don't have solid info about my leaning...

But I think I know why he decided to go for Mänwe back then: he had voted for me and I had voted myself as well. It was quite clear I was okay with the check and of course he was not going ot believe me about Mänwe, at that point. Anyway, I'm ready to be checked anyday. But last Night would have been a lot better for it as we now got two new people here and we start falling behind easily.

So if we check Lommy with our votes to learn whether she's a wolf or not, I'll dream the exact role of Nessa then. I'll wait for few others to comment on you willing to pick exactly Lommy before PM'ing Rikae my dream just to avoid any fumbles, like us using both our methods on the same person - or if you for some reason decide to vote me to be checked, I'd probably wish to check Lommy then rather than Nessa (that's a gut reaction right now).

Okay. Back later.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Right, anytime Nogrod posts I'm just basically going to assume it's no more than "blah blah blah Shasta's stupid" and ignore it altogether - it's the only way my temper is going to survive this game.

In other news, hi, Fea. And Lommy. And Nessa. And Agan! Quite a lot of us have joined Mandos this time around, it seems. I should have pointed out before I went that double-lynches are going to make things that much harder for those of us in the dead thread... but I suppose it gives us more options, as well. We should definitely dream both Lommy and Nessa at some point, and since I think Nessa less likely due to her nonparticipation -

++Lommy

Do of course realize that as dead players we have one retraction per day.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I'm reasonably certain the village was intentionally TRYING to make for confusion in the group communication.

Me too. I should have stayed awake, I'm so annoyed right now. And I'm having serious doubts about the phantom. All his plans thus far seem to have been faulty - I don't care if he's plotting on his own, he seems to be misleading the village very slyly.

I say we do what Mith suggested:

Since Agan won't be back and Shasta isn't around shall we tell them to use odd number placement on the day's living list for wolf and even for non-wolf for their double vote? Seems clearest and least vulnerable solution?

So depending on what Lommy turns out to be (non-wolf, I'm afraid), we have a few names to choose the double vote from.

++Lommy
even though I'd personally rather learn Nessa's alignment.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

We should definitely dream both Lommy and Nessa at some point

I should have had a plan for what to do in case of a double lynch... I told the village we'd always check the previous day's lynch, but now this is extremely difficult. I don't trust the phantom one bit and am by default not going to go along with his plans. We'll have to think about it. But if we have agreed on something with the village, we can't change our course and confuse them. Will have to see what we can do about Nessa.

I haven't read the rest of the Dead Thread yet, will do so later.

Argh.

edit: xed with Lommy. Don't you have anything to say about your role?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Right, anytime Nogrod posts I'm just basically going to assume it's no more than "blah blah blah Shasta's stupid" and ignore it altogether - it's the only way my temper is going to survive this game.

Now please Shasta. I did say I understood why you changed your mind, but it doesn't alter the fact that it was your decision not to check me. So if someone asks why didn't we check me, then it's you who has to provide the answer because it was your decision.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And I'm having serious doubts about the phantom. All his plans thus far seem to have been faulty - I don't care if he's plotting on his own, he seems to be misleading the village very slyly.

Which was exactly the reason why I dreamt of him on N2 (and which I explained there on D2) and found out he's a cobbler.

Originally Posted by Agan

Will have to see what we can do about Nessa.

If Lommy is voted, I'll check her. Whether you don't trust me as yet doesn't actually matter here. You say who you want to check by the voting (wolf or non-wolf?) and I'll pick the other one to dream (the exact role). You gain nothing with trying to trick me into dreaming the same person we vote for, but we would lose a lot (I'm still a firm believer you will change your mind in time when the other reasonable possibilities start to vanish and my points make more and more sense - and my dreams will show to be true every time).

Originally Posted by Lommy

I have read the dead thread and ugh I can't believe I'm really saying this... but I think Nogrod might have been the seer after all, which totally sucks. There's some stuff he says that I find unlikely he'd say if he was a cobbler (like "if I was a cobbler, would I intentionally be this mean?" or something along those lines), so despite his blunderings I'm starting to doubt...

I do recommend you others to try that same train of thought. Iwouldn't have been that angry and frustrated were I not the seer who got lynched way too early to help the village well - and have been feeling myself such a moron afterwards as it was partly my own mistakes that led into this.

And remember I said Agan is Beren (not guessed, as I would have "naturally" guessed Lúthien then).

You seem to be getting the picture of tp being the cobbler... well because he is - and I told it to you in no uncertain terms on D2.

Just consider.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

don't tell me, after all that song and dance, you were reading the dead thread yourself?

Heh... With Shasta scorning me I referred of course to our unnecessary and stupid bickering here then after my lynch. Actually I only read this thread through yesterDay (like I said on my post #75) as it was so late back then when I died.


Welcome to Mandos Fea.

Reading your first posts seem to indicate I really have some work to do to make things right...


And a quick look at the game thread makes me wish to hit my head to the desk. If people are going to think the phantom is a trustworthy ordo because of my failings I'm really going to lock myself into dark closet for the rest of my life...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Poor dear. I'll nuzzle you, but I probably won't trust you.

Just know that I love you tons even if I think you're full of fruit with a crumbly sweet topping.