Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Glirdan]

Not gonna lie, I did lol a bit at this, but still....

Originally Posted by phantom

Plus she's a Penguin.

Yes phantom, because pointing that out is going to help your case.


I will try and check or Ms. Vanilwa has made off to.

As for the way the voting is going....I am pretty set on Nessa, but I still see the points that were raised against Lommy. The problem is neither of them are really screaming Wolf to me.

I don't know what to do at this point

[the phantom]

Agan- about your voting system...

You're saying that you'll always check whoever we lynch, and you will give extra votes to us based upon innocence and guilt, correct?

So, if we lynch person X and he is a Wolf, you will give power to the last person on the list, if we lynch person X and he's not a Wolf, you will give power to the first person on the list?

I think it may be helpful for a couple of days anyway, but if we commit to it the Wolves could just bump off people based upon name order so that one of them receives the extra votes each day, or at least so that one of them has a good shot at it. Particularly late in the game that could be dicey, so I'd say we should set a hard line end-date on it.

[the phantom]

Mith- who are you speaking of in #508?

(Sorry for being so disorganized today- have unexpected tasks that are dividing my attention here.)

[Mithalwen]

Sorry TP I was stating for the benefit of Elrond's Daughter why I was gunning for Lommy.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I will try and check or Ms. Vanilwa has made off to.

Good. Because if this continues I'm going to want to lynch her. It's way too convenient "Oops, I didn't know we started!" and now keeping her head low to stay out of the fights. I don't like that sort of thing.

[the phantom]

The Voting:

Nerwen ++ Nessa
Green ++ Lommy
Boro ++ Lommy (2)
Legate ++ Nessa (2)
Lommy ++ Nessa (3)
Sally ++ Nessa (4)
Nessa ++ Lommy (3)
Agan ++ Boro

[the phantom]

Thinking back on the events of yesterday, at the time when Nessa sided with Nog and voted for me, there had already been some stiff resistance put up against him. Why would she not enter the debate at any point or await a resolution or anything but rather just swoop in with "I believe him" and vote?

In some games Wolves have been too eager to believe Seer claims because they want to look like they're on the right side. But in this case with the claim so hotly contested I don't think it works the same. Especially if she's a WW it doesn't work because she could've perhaps gained some credibility by siding against a perceived Nobbler, right? I don't think her move makes sense from a WW perspective, but perhaps it does if she's a Cobbler, as she would simply want to come down on the wrong side of the issue and perhaps did it so quickly and didn't wait so that it wouldn't look so bad? (I mean, if she had done it after Nog was outed then no way could she have gotten away with it, but at that time...)

Does that make any sense? Basically I'm saying she's probably not a Wolf, and maybe a bit more likely Cobbler than Innocent.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Thinking back on the events of yesterday, at the time when Nessa sided with Nog and voted for me, there had already been some stiff resistance put up against him. Why would she not enter the debate at any point or await a resolution or anything but rather just swoop in with "I believe him" and vote?

In some games Wolves have been too eager to believe Seer claims because they want to look like they're on the right side. But in this case with the claim so hotly contested I don't think it works the same. Especially if she's a WW it doesn't work because she could've perhaps gained some credibility by siding against a perceived Nobbler, right? I don't think her move makes sense from a WW perspective, but perhaps it does if she's a Cobbler, as she would simply want to come down on the wrong side of the issue and perhaps did it so quickly and didn't wait so that it wouldn't look so bad? (I mean, if she had done it after Nog was outed then no way could she have gotten away with it, but at that time...)

Does that make any sense? Basically I'm saying she's probably not a Wolf, and maybe a bit more likely Cobbler than Innocent.

I was thinking it could also have been a rather clumsy wolf-move, though. She's not all that experienced.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Her absence and lack of....shall we say enthusiasm (and because I know she has a LOT of stuff going on in RL)...leads me to believe in her innocence.

That's what I mean. That's why it's a perfect strategy. And of course there is the chance that she has somehow found something more interesting than WW in her RL. Fat chance of that I know, but still, maybe just maybe there are other fun things to do? Football for instance?

And naturally bits of that aren't completely serious, but anyway, the way she came in late with the "oops" just really made me raise my eyebrows. If it's not a bit of strategy then it's certainly a bit of meta-game gamesmanship on her part that makes her look quite clean, which isn't exactly proper.

But yes, certainly if she's risking modfire it'd be silly to bother, and I hadn't planned on doing it today anyway. My strong words were meant more for her, along the lines of threatening her to play just in case she was just floating around out there watching.

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by phantyphace

Good. Because if this continues I'm going to want to lynch her. It's way too convenient "Oops, I didn't know we started!" and now keeping her head low to stay out of the fights. I don't like that sort of thing.

Okay, I know this is total meta-reasoning, but here goes anyways. I think it would be a total waste to lynch her. For one, I know Wilwa better then she knows herself half the time and I usually can tell whether or not she's got a role. Her absence and lack of....shall we say enthusiasm (and because I know she has a LOT of stuff going on in RL)...leads me to believe in her innocence.

Second, if she does not post or vote two days consecutively, she will end up like BeiGei and getting modfired.

And Agan, I would have to disagree with your post earlier on my anaylsis of her for this reason. A Wolfwa wouldn't be this careless.

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

[Glirdan]

Oh, and as for your voting in the Mandos idea.....

To be quite frank, I didn't get it at first. The wording had me all muddled and it didn't help that there was the faintest hint of math in there (and you can ask dear Wilwa herself on how much I hate math and avoid it as much as possible) thus making me quite confused and reluctant to say anything.

But phantom has gone and kind of, cleared the air, so to speak....well kind of.

So before I give my opinion on anything, I just want to make sure I understand this properly.

Depending on who was up for lynching, if the person that was lynched was a Wolf, the last person on the list for being lynched will get the vote, and if the person lynched is innocent, the first person on the lynching list will get the vote? Am I understanding that right? Or am I still all muddled up??

xed with phantom and nerwen

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Depending on who was up for lynching, if the person that was lynched was a Wolf, the last person on the list for being lynched will get the vote, and if the person lynched is innocent, the first person on the lynching list will get the vote? Am I understanding that right? Or am I still all muddled up??

I've been confused about it too, but from how I read it.

Agan says in the Dead thread, the person who gets lynched will be the one they vote on and to check their role. (This makes sense to me, since Manwe's been found to not be a wolf at least. Shasta and Fea clearly aren't wolves, and I don't think Fea's a cobbler. Agan will also be in the dead thread, so this puts solid control of the thread in innocent hands).

Now. In order to send information from the person we lynch they will double-vote based on the living-player list (not the lynch-list). If wolf, the person last on the living list will get the double vote. If not wolf, the person first on the living-list will get the double vote. In a sense then there is a delayed transfer of information. Since we won't discover whether the first, or last name on the living list got the double-vote until the next days lynch. But still it's a way to transfer info from the dead thread to the living about prior lynches without having to lose and rely on Glorfindel.

I can't think of a better idea right now. And at least for tomorrow, with the dead thread being firmly in innocent control I say go for it. I can see the risk once the living list gets low, and the dead thread possibly isn't controlled by the innocents. However, if that's the case then we're doing a good job as it is in lynching baddies.

I echo the others in let us know clearly how long and the plan, Agan, so we don't botch and mis-read the transfer of info from the dead to the living.

Edit: crossed with everyone since

Glirdan's

post

Edit 2: Glirdan should be bolded there, but accidently wrapped his name in quotes. Oh well, I liked it.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by phantom

Agan- about your voting system...

You're saying that you'll always check whoever we lynch, and you will give extra votes to us based upon innocence and guilt, correct?

So, if we lynch person X and he is a Wolf, you will give power to the last person on the list, if we lynch person X and he's not a Wolf, you will give power to the first person on the list?

I think it may be helpful for a couple of days anyway, but if we commit to it the Wolves could just bump off people based upon name order so that one of them receives the extra votes each day, or at least so that one of them has a good shot at it. Particularly late in the game that could be dicey, so I'd say we should set a hard line end-date on it.

Yes... I can't see any other way of doing it, and yet that system could get derailed so easily (beyond the grave as well). Maybe just use it for one or two Days?

Anyway, Agan, make sure and let us know exactly what you plan to do before toDay's over.

EDIT:X'd since phantom at #513.