WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Couldn't anyone (including Lhuna) already be a spiderling, though? Unless I'm reading the days wrong? In which case.... yeah.

[satansaloser2005]

Boro was tending to business, feeling everyone for fangs or furry limbs like the rest of the group. It was unclear whether he was trying to diagnose the bitten, aid his brother or sister spiderling(s), or just using it as an excuse to touch Fea. Whatever his reasoning, he was feeling his way along the wall when suddenly he heard, plain as Day, a voice in his head. He couldn’t ignore the call. It was too strong. He had to leave, even if it meant leaving his comrade(s) to fight their battle alone.

And suddenly, without any warning, Boro vanished without a trace.


Gone
Glirdan (ordo, lynched on Day 1)
Nienna (ordo, withdrawn on Day 1-ish)
Bom Stealth Yellowboots (ordo, lynched on Day 2)
Boro (withdraw, called home on Day 3)
It could be you (lynched on Day 3)




Sorry for the delay. The narration was on my laptop and I didn't have a chance to hook up my phone until now. A little over an hour until DL.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

And with Boro dropping out... how do your numbers change, Phantom?

(Shelob-Spiderlings-BeenStung-Innocent)

Without Boro, we're possibly here-
1-1-1-5
But it's also possible we're here-
1-1-0-6

Obviously we'd prefer that Boro was Been-Stung, but no guarantee. It's entirely possible that a missed lynch today leads to-
1-2-1-3
Which would put us in a situation where we would have to bandwagon perfectly for the win, and given who is left it seems to me that such a thing would be very difficult to work out.

[Nogrod]

Scrolling down the few last pages I found these...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

1. Phantom's Sam scheme.
The ostensible reason was so we could be sure ifLhuna had been Sam's cure-target. All right. What strikes me about this scheme is that it was more-or-less guaranteed to occupy the village's attention without posing much threat to the Spider(s)– as I said yesterDay, it could not even give us a known innocent. It is possible phantom believed he knew Sam's identity already, and was try to give him a cover under which he could communicate. It is also possible phantlob or phantling sought to draw Sam out.

Originally Posted by Lhuna

1. the phantom
Because of the last-minute bandwagons thing. And I can totally see him pull off trying to pull the strings by asking the Sam question, but that's just my personal prejudice. It's also that I still don't get why he attempted to make that survey, unless he was (as someone said) trying to draw the Doctor out.

Were there others like these?

I seem to have only remembered the latter one by Lhuna - and it is a most odd one to be honest. I can see the reasoning behind Nerwen's post, but not the one behind Lhuna's.

Add to that this stuff with Sally refusing to tell us who Boro was (which I understand as one who has hosted a few games myself), I'm bending to shift my thoughts a bit - and well why not say it, that Boro was the Doc (which he hinted at being, I think) and so the one I thought was the Doc before... is more probably Sam then...

And that would indeed fit nicely with Lhuna not being a goodie as then Sam would have tried to fight against us thiknig Lhuna innocent, and Lhuna's stumbling with accusing tp is a nice additional extra - she wished to play on a suspicion over tp but failed to make the claim he tried to oust Sam (which is a possible claim) and said he tried to oust the Doc (which has no sense at all).

The pieces of the puzzle fit a bit too nicely now that I'm starting to distrust it. But as Boro used to say back in the old times: if it walks like, if it talks like... then it is it... Could it be this clear? Pheww... hard to say. But it would make sense of many things.

What do you say? Are there holes in here?


EDIT: Made the boldings into the quotes in similar fashion...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What do you say? Are there holes in here?

She could, of course, have been meaning to say Sam but said the Doctor instead. I know I say the wrong word a lot. But that being said, I would not be opposed to a Lhuna lynch.

[Nogrod]

If I'm right about Sam then Sam was against us giving Lhuna a pass because he had protected her against the major feeling... That I think matters here. Okay. I might be wrong about Sam but I think Sally wouldn't approve me talking about Sam openly at this stage.

Sally: if it is okay, I would be more than happy to bring forth my theory about Sam. If I'm right it's just fine as Shelob can't sting Sam...

[the phantom]

Nog- so long as your theory about Sam involves Sam being someone I've supported the entire game, I'm with you to that point. Now go on and explain the rest to me.

[the phantom]

Wait- what's your argument Nog?

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made no sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.

But past the faulty reasoning I'm not sure what you're implicating.

(I agree with the Boro-Doc thing, of course. He was hinting like mad, which is why the first time through the hints escaped my notice, as I assumed that sort of thing was out of bounds.)

[Loslote]

++Zil

I've really got to go. If I die and no one looks at Zil toMorrow, I am going to be quite put out.

Edit: xed with Nog

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Wait- what's your argument Nog?

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.

But Lhuna said you were trying to draw out the Doc... not Sam. There's the discrepancy. And Sally readjusted the rules on the doc... I don't think it is a coincidence.

Also I'm a bit puzzled why you think it evident that Shelob attacked Sam on N2. I mean how do we know it either way? Actually I didn't understand your last argument... Please specify if you have time. I'd like to understand it.

[Nogrod]

I mean Sam is not allowed to say "I protected X".

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hi. Boro isn't so needlessly complicated that he'd throw out so many Doctor hints just to pretend to be the Doctor just to confuse people so that they might think maybe somebody else was or something?

So here's the shibang. He referred to both Wilwa and I as beautiful ladies, which makes me think he was busy playing doctor with us (ahem) and at the time, found nothing wrong.

With him woefully gone, that's all just about irrelevant.

That being said, it's just about killing me that Wilwa has to work late and can't vote, because I was going to do whatever she did.

As such, since I only get a free pass on not voting once (toMorrow, when I'll be traveling due to some of that Nasssssty real life imperfection that keeps mucking up the game), I have to vote anyway, even though I really have no desire to make my own decisions.

[Nogrod]

On a positive note I realised scrolling through the thread that Sally actually informs us in the end notifications / narrations that X was an "uninfected ordo". So one could gather from that that if we lynch an incubating ordo we'd know that too.

Another thing that struck me and made me back off a bit from what I said earlier was that Sally redefined the rules of the Doc. Then I remembered that there were people saying that tp's Sam scheme was a try to oust the Doc. I don't quite recall the logic of it (needs to go back to it - but if someone remembers what it was about, please come forwards with it and save me from a full scroll of the thread). Now something bothers me here with this "coincidence", but I'm not sure which way it goes. Are those accusing tp having an evil agenda or is tp having one?


Hey Sally, that is not fair!

Do you wish to imply Boro was not an ordo? ANd I started this post saying it is a good thing you keep us up to the track...

[satansaloser2005]

Because she's Mummy's princess (and because she'd behave like that anyway).


Nog: I revealed Nienna's role immediately because she hadn't even entered the game. Boro, however, has been playing and is a different case. And I'm not implying anything about his role in the narration (which was why I mentioned him just wanting to feel up Fea).

I've decided to reveal his role at the end of the Day, because with such a small village it would be difficult to find anything out with very many variables. His role will not, however, be revealed until toNight. You have to finish out the Day without the knowledge of his role, as you would have if he was still playing,

Dropouts are strange and unfortunate. I wish everyone's lives were perfect and allowed for infinite Werewolf games.

[Loslote]

Come on, really? Half an hour until DL and it's this quiet?

I'm going to have to vote sooner than I'd like, but I don't want to get lynched, so I'd rather like to know who people are planning on voting.

[the phantom]

Yeah, as I was making that last post it really hit me where we are. Those two dropouts are absolute murder, rolling forward the final curtain one day when the purpose of the game is to lynch one single individual. That hurts.

And just assume for a minute that, for instance, Lottie and Inzil are both innocent and unlikely to trust each other tomorrow. Bang, game over, because like I said, a perfect bandwagon is needed tomorrow if we're wrong today (unless Sam works some magic again).

So yeah- not looking pretty.

As far as today's voting-
Lhuna ++ Lottie
Inzil ++ Lottie (2)

And Wilwa isn't going to be here, which means there's Nerwen, Shasta, Nog, Fea, and I left to vote.

Given my reasoning from earlier today Nerwen would seem a decent target, but as she's one of 5 remaining voters I doubt it would accomplish much, especially with Fea out there that can't be counted on to do anything productive. Shasta would be sort of a blind shot target, and again with him holding his vote it's not a good tactical target. Same with Nog.

That leaves Inzil as the easiest to hit mark given the votes we have, but he seems rather unlikely as Shelob (to me, anyway). Bleh. A game in which one must lynch one individual is hard enough, and then we aren't even allowed to rule anyone out because reveals aren't allowed and then two dropouts. This sucks.