WW LXXXVII - The Valley Forge

[Mithalwen]

Don't like phantom's plan but don't like facile bandwaggon's either

This is pure hunch based on various things ..the invitation to reveal, the jump on the bandwaggon... just giving the impression of fangs and fur

++BomTombadillo

Don't like TP's plan but at moment feel it is him being clever clever rather than evil. Inclined ot keep him atm and may well do what is necessary.

Far to keen for early doors - don't pander to him.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Well, we'll see how this turns out. I do believe we'll find a good chunk of the truth this lynch.

[Galadriel55]

Vote count

TP-->Pitch (will it be counted?)
Boro-->Sally
Zil-->tp
G55-->tp (2)
Bom-->tp (3)
Pitch-->Bom
Mith-->Bom (2)

[Pitchwife]

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

Why? I understand about Boro, but why Zil? Because he voted tp? I just don't get it.

Finduilas, you need to highlight your vote.

Edit: like this: [ highlight] ... [ /highlight] but without spaces

[Pitchwife]

Because I wouldn't like to see tp lynched toDay? Is that good enough?

[Inziladun]

Ok. It's interesting to see who pounced on tp after my vote. I'll feel like Bill the Pony if tp turns out to be a baddie, but:

--phantom

++Bom

Because G55 looks less suspicious.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Just as a point of interest, Bom, Gal55, Eruhen, Inzil, and Nerwen seem to think of the baddies as Werewolves (judging from their wording here and there) even though the baddies in this village are not Werewolves.

Yes, I know we're not dealing with wolves, per se, but they act like wolves. What's the difference? If it kills like a wolf...

Originally Posted by the phantom

Why did you say that after you changed your vote from me to Bom? What was the connection?

The connection as that they'd both followed my vote for you. When I made it, I had every intention of checking closer to DL to see if anyone had opportunistically mimicked me. When Pitch asked if I'd retract, I did so, and went for Bom as the one whose vote I thought looked worse.

x/d with Eruhen

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Because I wouldn't like to see tp lynched toDay? Is that good enough?

Other people voted TP as well...

Yes, actually. Nothing more I dislike than a Day 1 throw away vote. It would mean I'd have to wait a day to see sally's reaction, but I'd have to wait regardless.

Who will the unlucky person be?

The Bom wagon looks weird to me. He made some odd comments, but he always says weird things. It's the norm for him. I don't get the sudden-just-before-DL "let's lynch him"-ness.

Edit: xed with Boro and Foley. It's still :59 on my clock.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

Yes, actually. Nothing more I dislike than a Day 1 throw away vote. It would mean I'd have to wait a day to see sally's reaction, but I'd have to wait regardless.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Ah, last minute chaos. Much more fun online than in real life.

EDIT: X'd with Inziladun. Yeah, this is going to hurt.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

Sorry for "playing the newbie" folks. I really have had more to say, I'm just keep writing it and not posting it until it is obsolete. That being said, I have 8 minutes till deadline, and guests in the living room... meaning, I don't have time to write another posts in argument.

++ Inziladun

Oh, for goodness sakes, how do you highlight text? Whatever. Foley can count my vote or not, as she wishes.

[ highlight ]text[ /highlight ] without the spaces.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, Zil, would either of you be inclined to retract? Preferably both?

I might. Why do you ask?

x/d with G55 and Boro

[wilwarin538]

sorry, I'll explain absence on admin:

++Bom

, vote for him uz I don't want tp gone yet, his suggestion wasn't necessarily evil.

[Galadriel55]

I found something else rather curious. TP voted Pitch. Pitch voted Bom. Bom voted TP. Interesting triangle. Contradictory conclusions are the only ones that come to my mind atm, so I'll have to address this again after a night of sleep. From the first look, Pitch and Phantom come out clean and shiny from yesterDay's vote. But I won't rule out a wolf-on-wolf yet. Fine. Forger-on-Forger. But I will still call them wolves. Evil werewolf spirits remain such regardless of who they posess and what shape they take. *stares at phantom*

And since I'm here, I can also say that Pitch is acting abnormal toDay, making an elephant out of a fly with Rikae. This isn't supposed to be related to my previous statement - at least in my head, - but they both stand... I think...

That's it. Bedtime. I'm stuttering in typing.... if that made any sense..... *head drops, eyes close*

Edit: xed with Findy

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Well, we'll see how this turns out. I do believe we'll find a good chunk of the truth this lynch.

That's for all of you who couldn't find a single KD clue. ^.^ We know now that he's not the KD, but for all we - and the wolves - kne yesterDay, he mighta been. Though this is the only KD hint I found, and it was said when votes were already starting to fall on him...

Originally Posted by Zil

It does appear to me that G55's suspicions of Pitch seem rather forced. Pitch was hardly making a "case" against Rikae; just asking for a clarification.

I get what you're saying. But, IMO, pressing the point and saying that she may as well be Forging at Night, is a case. And it just sounded ridiculous. The sentense he quoted, albeit a statement, sounds more frivolous than a serious declaration. Reminds me of myself in your game, when I tried to lynch someone for a joke-post.

Upon rereading, I come to be more and more suspicious of Pitchie and Phantom. I can see the twain awake at Night together. "Their swords and their councels may have two edges".... or something of that sort.

And it certainly makes it more difficult for villagers and wolves alike if they don't know the KD's identity. But especially villagers.

Edit: xed with Nerwen

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Also, it does depend a lot on the personality of the wolves– how ruthless, how confident at being able to win alone, etc. So I wouldn't say for certain that the Forge members would go all out to kill each other, only that they might.

Originally Posted by the phantom

I would love to do a reread of yesterday with the dwarf-eat-dwarf mentality in mind, but I'm too tired. I'll be around tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

That's for all of you who couldn't find a single KD clue. ^.^ We know now that he's not the KD, but for all we - and the wolves - kne yesterDay, he mighta been. Though this is the only KD hint I found, and it was said when votes were already starting to fall on him...

...but at a time where tp was still in the lead. But, come on, isn't that something that might be said about almost any D1 lynch, especially one with two competing bandwagons? Grasping for straws, I say.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Upon rereading, I come to be more and more suspicious of Pitchie and Phantom. I can see the twain awake at Night together. "Their swords and their councels may have two edges".... or something of that sort.

Well, I'm not quite as fond of tp's thinking toDay as I was yesterDay, but I still think we're dealing with an innocent evil genius in this game, not an evil evil one. But rest assured, we don't share any Nightly activities - neither work at the forge nor of a more recreational kind.

(x-ed from #181 down)

[Pitchwife]

Crap, somehow all my comments on the quotes from Nerwen and tp got lost in posting. I'll try to retrieve them.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Well, I'm not quite as fond of tp's thinking toDay as I was yesterDay, but I still think we're dealing with an innocent evil genius in this game, not an evil evil one. But rest assured, we don't share any Nightly activities - neither work at the forge nor of a more recreational kind.

No, I don't think you're a long-legged elven blonde, I'm not that nuts yet...

But I will not rest, and most definitely will not be assured, until I see my suspicions proven.

++Pitchie

Seriously, he said and did too many things with double-meanings that just smell like Forgery. I will probably have the chance to duck in again before the DL, but just in case I'm voting now. I doubt that anything will come up that will make me change my mind.

Edit: xed with Foley and TP

[Pitchwife]

So this is what I meant to post up there, plus an update:

Originally Posted by tp

I would love to do a reread of yesterday with the dwarf-eat-dwarf mentality in mind, but I'm too tired. I'll be around tomorrow.

If it makes you happy - but remember, as of yesterDay the Rules still were that the KD would be revealed at death, so I think Forge-on-Forge in yesterDay's voting would be unlikely, except if the lynchee didn't leave any trails to their packmates; but then, why get rid of them in the first place?
(Yesyes, I get what you're saying, and it would be gorgeous if we could just help the Forgers lynch each other, but it's just too good to be true.)

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Also, it does depend a lot on the personality of the wolves– how ruthless, how confident at being able to win alone, etc. So I wouldn't say for certain that the Forge members would go all out to kill each other, only that they might.

Yes. And I hope you'll take it as a compliment when I say that I can totally see you as the kind of player going for a lone victory and able to pull it off.
Which sort of fits you turn on G55, on whom you didn't say a word all yesterDay, other than sympathizing with her about first Days with tp (a bit like a loving wolf-mother comforting a shell-shocked cub?).

And, you know, although I didn't get around to commenting on it at the time, I wasn't at all comfortable with you yesterDay - first fishing for a Moddess-ruling against tp's plan, then, when that wasn't to be got, scattering some passing doubt on (IIRC) Bom, Boro, Eruhen and Findy without really going and committing anywhere, then disappearing. OK, if you couldn't come back for RL reasons, fine, but it all just fits the profile of a careful Forger who has come up against an unexpected problem and needs to reshuffle her cards.
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Oh, and now some people have started suspecting McCaber, there's a nice alternative to G55, so you won't have to vote her after all. Isn't that shiny?
Too bad I can't vote for the two of you together...

[Finduilas]

Sorry for "playing the newbie" folks. I really have had more to say, I'm just keep writing it and not posting it until it is obsolete. That being said, I have 8 minutes till deadline, and guests in the living room... meaning, I don't have time to write another posts in argument.

++ Inziladun

Edit: thanks muchly Boro.

[Eruhen]

Well, I'm willing to keep phantom around for another Day, even if just to see what new schemes he comes up with toMorrow. I still think he's playing a game of Silly Beggars instead of WW, but we'll see what happens.

But, going on pure instinct here...

++Bom