WW LXXXVII - The Valley Forge

[Finduilas]

I'm confused as to how Pitchwife has suddenly earned several peoples mistrust. He was the first to vote for both Bom and Gal55, if I remember correctly, so he seems to be rather accurate at pinpointing forges... I'm guessing people are considering him to be a forge that is killing off all his members, and then he is going to try to win single-handedly?

Pity I didn't get on fast enough to ask that question of either Boro or McCaber.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

I'm confused as to how Pitchwife has suddenly earned several peoples mistrust. He was the first to vote for both Bom and Gal55, if I remember correctly, so he seems to be rather accurate at pinpointing forges... I'm guessing people are considering him to be a forge that is killing off all his members, and then he is going to try to win single-handedly?

I've thought Pitch pretty reasonable, myself. See what I said above.

There's the possibility, though, that the pack really was convinced they'd gotten the KD with G55. That would mean Rikae was sacrificed to give an air of innocence to Pitch and tp; or that after her "hints" of being the KD, it was thought leaving her alive would be too suspicious. That seems awfully convoluted to me, though.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

I'm confused as to how Pitchwife has suddenly earned several peoples mistrust. He was the first to vote for both Bom and Gal55, if I remember correctly, so he seems to be rather accurate at pinpointing forges... I'm guessing people are considering him to be a forge that is killing off all his members, and then he is going to try to win single-handedly?

Basically, it's because Rikae both voted him and left some possible KD hints– and got Night-killed. In the light of that, his "accuracy" could be typical wolf-on-wolf voting– or, in this game with its strange dynamics, wolf-on-KD voting. I'm not saying it has to be so, understand, but that's the reasoning.

Btw– you're calling them "forges", are you?

Originally Posted by Zil

There's the possibility, though, that the pack really was convinced they'd gotten the KD with G55. That would mean Rikae was sacrificed to give an air of innocence to Pitch and tp; or that after her "hints" of being the KD, it was thought leaving her alive would be too suspicious. That seems awfully convoluted to me, though.

Yes. Zil, sorry, but this doesn't make sense at all– why would it give an "air of innocence" to Pitch and tp? Is it because of what you said before, that the wolves wouldn't kill Rikae for going after Pitch because G55, who had already gone after him, was dead? But that doesn't make sense either.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes. Zil, sorry, but this doesn't make sense at all– why would it give an "air of innocence" to Pitch and tp? Is it because of what you said before, that the wolves wouldn't kill Rikae for going after Pitch because G55, who had already gone after him, was dead? But that doesn't make sense either.

It just seems odd to me that if Pitch and tp, both repeatedly pointed out as baddies by G55, really are Forgers, why was Rikae seen as more of KD possibility than she? Both can't be the KD. What am I missing here?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

It just seems odd to me that if Pitch and tp, both repeatedly pointed out as baddies by G55, really are Forgers, why was Rikae seen as more of KD possibility than she? Both can't be the KD. What am I missing here?

Well, the wolves don't get any extra information, do they?

[Finduilas]

My take is that since both G55 and Rikae voted against Pitch, and both turned out to be Forge members, neither one of them could be the KD. Though that is not fool-proof logic, I do think it makes sense... does it?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Btw– you're calling them "forges", are you?

I hadn't noticed, but I guess so.

Edit: xed with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Finduilas

My take is that since both G55 and Rikae voted against Pitch, and both turned out to be Forge members, neither one of them could be the KD. Though that is not fool-proof logic, I do think it makes sense... does it?

No, I'm sorry– I don't understand that at all. Are you following Zil's reasoning here?

[Folwren]

The general dwarven populace was confused about the Forge’s kill of the previous night. “Why did they kill him? Why one of their own?”

“Don’t you know?” a small voice asked. They turned. It was a young dwarf woman. She looked at each of them carefully before continuing. “One of them was a traitor to their fellowship. He had been amongst them for some time now, and he was the one giving away their secrets. That is why you were able to find and kill some so easily the past couple evenings. I thought you knew.”

“Haha!” they cried, their eyes gleaming. “Then if this was their traitor, who are the ones he suspected, quick, who knows?”

They spent hours discussing the likely dwarves. But again, the dwarf woman said.

“He wasn’t their traitor. It was somebody else.”

“We cannot be certain,” a dwarf said, sharply. “You shouldn’t speak so.”

The girl’s eyes glimmered. “I don’t speak so unwittingly. I know what it is I say. That dead dwarf there,” she pointed to the body still lying untouched due to the heat of their argument, “is not the King’s messenger, who has infiltrated their fellowship.”

“Here are our last two Forge members!” someone shouted. There was a scuffling and scraping, and two dwarves were dragged forward. Their shirts had been torn and their shoulders exposed, and the brand clear to see to all. The sight infuriated the crowd, and they began to chant:

“Kill them! Kill them! Kill them both!”

“Let us hang them from the highest tree!” “Burn them in their own forge!” “Kill them!”

Like a mighty river, the two dwarves were swept away by the others, pushed and shoved and dragged to the place of their death. Pushing through the mob, but ever behind her goal, came the dwarf woman who had spoken up, trying to gain someone’s attention, anyone –

“No! You can’t kill them both. I know who it is! You cannot kill him with the guilty one!”

To the mighty oak that stood at their town square they went. Someone brought rope and in a matter of minutes they had made their nooses and thrown the ropes up over two strong limbs. Many hands reached out to help heave them up, suspending their kicking feet in the air.

The dwarf woman drew near, staring up at one of them, and then she turned to the crowd and said, her voice shaking with emotion and rebuke,

“You have killed the dwarf the King sent to save us. And he has saved us. This is how you thank him and King Dáin.”

Village Dwarves win. The Valley Forge is defeated. The King's Dwarf completed his mission, but died while doing so.

Alive
Sally
Inzil
Boro
Eruhen
Finduilas
McCaber
the Phantom
Mithalwen

Dead
Folwren - Moddess
Bom - Member of the Valley Forge
Wilwa - Night Watchdwarf
Glirdan - Ordo
Gal55 - Member of the Valley Forge
Rikae - Member of the Valley Forge
Nerwen - Member of the Valley Forge
Pitchwife - Member of the Valley Forge and the King's Dwarf

[McCaber]

WOOOOOOOO!!! Nice game, everyone.

Although I was only two for three in my initial picks, but Nerwen would have been my fourth. I guess we can't win 'em all.