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Inziladun · 08-19-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

And as I was about to explain to Zil and Finduilas: Zil's argument doesn't make sense because the wolves would have no way of telling when the real KD was dead. It's that simple.

Which is why I ask: assuming Pitch is a Forger, who would have worried the pack more yesterDay, G55 or Rikae?

Nerwen · 08-19-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Which is why I ask: assuming Pitch is a Forger, who would have worried the pack more yesterDay, G55 or Rikae?

Why does it matter? G55 was dead anyway by the end of yesterDay; Rikae was still alive.

Nerwen · 08-19-2011, 09:26 AM

Do you get my point now, Zil? Forge member A and Forge member B both drop hints and both accuse the same person. Member A is lynched– role unconfirmed. Does this mean the Forge can consider Member B cleared of KD-ness? Well, no, surely. Not unless they're given extra info on the dead party's role, anyway.

–By the way, though, a complicating factor in all this is that there's no reason *normal* wolf-on-wolf tactics can't be happening in this game. People seem to be assuming it isn't, but I don't know why. I would say that if Pitch is a wolf, he initially went after G55 in the more usual way– I don't think she started dropping hints until much later. (Though again, we don't know what happend at Night.) So that might answer your question a different way: they may not have ever thought she was the KD.

As for Pitch– well, I may have let my temper get the better of me after having been voted out of the blue like that. But he does sound like a baddie clutching at straws to me.

Finduilas · 08-19-2011, 09:29 AM

++Nerwen

If Pitch must die, I think we should do a double lynching, as dangerous as it may be. I think most of us will agree that Pitch is something, either a forge member, or the KD (either way, a forge member). If he is the KD, then Nerwen is the last of the Forges. So, I say, either just kill Nerwen, (and if the game does not end at that point, pop off Pitch the next day) or kill both of them. This method will take cooperation from everyone, so I guess we would all have to agree... I'm really in favor of just killing Nerwen, personally, and worrying about Pitch tomorrow. Pitch and Nerwen have already made their votes for each other. With my vote, there are 3 votes against Pitch, and 2 votes against Nerwen. Worst case scenario with this is that we get one Forger (Pitch) and one Ordo (Nerwen), and best case scenario is pretty bad too, we get one Forger (Nerwen) and we get the KD (Pitch). I suppose that it would be possible to get it the other way around, with Nerwen as the KD and Pitch as the forger, but Nerwen's vote for Pitch seemed more of a "take that" vote, than a "your a forger and I'm the KD" vote.

Edit: x/ed with Nerwen, post #292

Inziladun · 08-19-2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Finduilas

If Pitch must die, I think we should do a double lynching, as dangerous as it may be. I think most of us will agree that Pitch is something, either a forge member, or the KD (either way, a forge member). If he is the KD, then Nerwen is the last of the Forges. So, I say, either just kill Nerwen, (and if the game does not end at that point, pop off Pitch the next day) or kill both of them.

I think this works for me. I'm also keeping in mind the fact that Pitch has voted for Forgers two Days straight, and Nerwen chose McCaber over G55.

Inziladun · 08-19-2011, 09:43 AM

++Nerwen

Nerwen · 08-19-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Finduilas

Let's lynch both of them etc.

Naturally, I am not on board with this at all. In fact, if there was any other reason whatever to suspect Finduilas, I'd be thinking this was attempted damage control by Team Evil... but there isn't, so I'm guessing she's just a newbie who doesn't realise someone with a good voting record can still be a wolf.

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I think most of us will agree that Pitch is something, either a forge member, or the KD (either way, a forge member).

If he was really the KD, I should think he'd have been modfired by now– at any, I'd think the real KD would be afraid to sail that close to the wind in the first place.

EDIT:since Finduilas.

Nerwen · 08-19-2011, 09:46 AM

Good night.

Nerwen · 08-19-2011, 09:48 AM

And fine, whatever. I suppose Zil's the other one.

08-19-2011, 09:26 AM	#3
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Do you get my point now, Zil? Forge member A and Forge member B both drop hints and both accuse the same person. Member A is lynched– role unconfirmed. Does this mean the Forge can consider Member B cleared of KD-ness? Well, no, surely. Not unless they're given extra info on the dead party's role, anyway. –By the way, though, a complicating factor in all this is that there's no reason normal wolf-on-wolf tactics can't be happening in this game. People seem to be assuming it isn't, but I don't know why. I would say that if Pitch is a wolf, he initially went after G55 in the more usual way– I don't think she started dropping hints until much later. (Though again, we don't know what happend at Night.) So that might answer your question a different way: they may not have ever thought she was the KD. As for Pitch– well, I may have let my temper get the better of me after having been voted out of the blue like that. But he does sound like a baddie clutching at straws to me. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-19-2011, 09:29 AM	#4
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 595	++Nerwen If Pitch must die, I think we should do a double lynching, as dangerous as it may be. I think most of us will agree that Pitch is something, either a forge member, or the KD (either way, a forge member). If he is the KD, then Nerwen is the last of the Forges. So, I say, either just kill Nerwen, (and if the game does not end at that point, pop off Pitch the next day) or kill both of them. This method will take cooperation from everyone, so I guess we would all have to agree... I'm really in favor of just killing Nerwen, personally, and worrying about Pitch tomorrow. Pitch and Nerwen have already made their votes for each other. With my vote, there are 3 votes against Pitch, and 2 votes against Nerwen. Worst case scenario with this is that we get one Forger (Pitch) and one Ordo (Nerwen), and best case scenario is pretty bad too, we get one Forger (Nerwen) and we get the KD (Pitch). I suppose that it would be possible to get it the other way around, with Nerwen as the KD and Pitch as the forger, but Nerwen's vote for Pitch seemed more of a "take that" vote, than a "your a forger and I'm the KD" vote. Edit: x/ed with Nerwen, post #292 __________________ One (1) book of rules and traffic regulations, which may not be bent or broken. ~ The Phantom Tollbooth

08-19-2011, 09:43 AM	#6
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	++Nerwen __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

08-19-2011, 09:46 AM	#8
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Good night. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-19-2011, 09:48 AM	#9
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	And fine, whatever. I suppose Zil's the other one. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.