WW XCVI - The Fell Winter of 2911

[Inziladun]

Wow, what a failure on my part. Looks like I managed to do just enough on Day 1 to get the wolves' attention, but not enough to keep Menel safe. Definitely not how I envisioned my debut as a Seer.

Menel was indeed my Night 1 dream, and Nog nailed the reason why: since I'd never played with him before, I saw him as more of an unknown than the rest.

Night 2 I went for Agan, learning of course that she was the Ranger. Going into Day 2 I was pondering how I would play it if the time came to reveal. That turned out to not be an issue.

I was focused on avoiding my perennial hazard: getting lynched. Being Night-killed usually isn't something I have to worry about, especially early on.

I wasn't able to follow this very closely after my demise, but it appears to have been very well-played on the pack's part.

Thanks for the game, Kit, and for the opportunity to be Seer.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate

And before somebody asks, no, we did not really spot any Seer hints from Inzil as far as I know, but we just thought he might be a good target, and possibly a Seer. But, of course, the main reason was that our resident psychic just happened to randomly throw the name in.

We should have known. How does he *do* it?

[Galadriel55]

First and foremost, well done, wolves! You deserve it!

Shasta, that was . Just, WOW.

Legate, no worries. :-) Looking back at the Days when you were around more, your subtle pushes - and that they worked - were just scary.

sally: *sends cupcakes*

Agan, that was neat! I figured out on Night4 that you are either wolf or Ranger, and when I saw that there was a Ranger save I went "I knew it! Way to go Agan!"

A question to the wolves: I thought you would bluff and double-bluff with Agan. I was half-convinced that you would let her live and get her lynched for that (since she could only have 2 roles: Ranger or wolf). Were you afraid the village would ask for a counter-reveal before lynching the potential Ranger? Or that Agan would make another save while you twist and scheme around her?

Zil, it's not your fault Shasta was a wolf. You got the message about Menel across, so don't blame yourself that it didn't work in the end.

I wish I could say something on the cobbler role, other than that I wish it worked. Glirdy, did you get to do something on N1, though?

Nerwen - every game that we have played together (excluding the one that you modded, but that's not really playing) you were either a Ranger or a Wolf. This game broke the pattern. I'm glad it did - not at least I know how you play as ordo. :-)

Nog, I'm sorry about that. I think I'm somehow getting into this state of mind where I convince myself that you can't be innocent, and I try to prove it. I have to really stop it. The Day after my lynch I was fairly sure you were innocent, and I had a feeling you'd be killed on N6, but that was no use to the game as I was sound in my grave at that point.

Menel - it's a shame that your first game after the break went this way - that you were basically a proven innocent and you were still lynched. I think it is your playing style that irritates me and some others (and is an excuse for those with evil intentions) - one usually takes a peg and searches for a hole it can fit in to, but you pick a hole and look for a peg that might go in.


I think I'll kick myself a few times, or more than a few, now that the game is over.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 - Day 1

Legate - makes me alert, but no red light yet. Can't really say where the ill-at-ease feeling is comming from.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 - Day 2

I think that Zil has been killed either because he did not leave a clear enough trail, or because he left a nice false trail in my direction; I doubt that the wolves saw him as the Seer (unless Shasta is one of them, in which case anything is possible).

Why is it the wrong suspicions that always stick?


Well, it was a good (and educational for me) game, well played everyone! And thanks Kit for modding and the awesome narrations! I loved them!

[Galadriel55]

A couple things I made a note to myself about:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

G55's #143 takes the frustrated innocent vibe up to eleven - it's like she's Brinniel, combined with Rikae, with a little bit of Morsul thrown in.

Well, now I know my recipe. Except that I've never played with Brinn and Morsul, and both times I've played with Rikae she was Night-killed rather than lynched, so I don't actually know what Shasta means about my playing. xD

Originally Posted by Nerwen

*waves to dead players reading the thread*

Well, Pitch, Zil, G55, Lommy, Glirdan–

I'm sure you've by now worked out that I, Shasta and Nog can't possibly be packmates.

*waves to Nerwen* Actually, at that point I was so paranoid that everyone was a packmate.

The worst thing about dying early is that I manage to come up with the best suspicions and observations after my death.


ETA: unrepped people - it's coming.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by G55

A question to the wolves: I thought you would bluff and double-bluff with Agan. I was half-convinced that you would let her live and get her lynched for that (since she could only have 2 roles: Ranger or wolf). Were you afraid the village would ask for a counter-reveal before lynching the potential Ranger? Or that Agan would make another save while you twist and scheme around her?

They probably didn't think the village would fall for it– after all, why wouldn't the real Ranger have counter-revealed immediately, if Agan was a fake? (If you, being a gifted, wait too long before challenging a false reveal, usually everyone believes the monster and lynches you.)

[Meneltarmacil]

It was great to be back. Although it's really too bad that I didn't realize what was going on until it was too late.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

They probably didn't think the village would fall for it– after all, why wouldn't the real Ranger have counter-revealed immediately, if Agan was a fake? (If you, being a gifted, wait too long before challenging a false reveal, usually everyone believes the monster and lynches you.)

Except in certain cases. *coughBorocough*

And as for the Day 3 shenanigans - well, I've been screwed over by last-minute out-of-nowhere votes before (see - wintywinty), and with Menel not around anywhere to gauge, I felt it was too risky to vote Nog then.

[Meneltarmacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well, now I know my recipe. Except that I've never played with Brinn and Morsul, and both times I've played with Rikae she was Night-killed rather than lynched, so I don't actually know what Shasta means about my playing. xD

I was the Seer once, and dreamed of Rikae. Upon finding out she was a wolf, I spent the next Day trying everything to get her lynched. She put on a very convincing "I'm just a frustrated innocent and Menel's being mean to me" routine.

[Meneltarmacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Menel - it's a shame that your first game after the break went this way - that you were basically a proven innocent and you were still lynched. I think it is your playing style that irritates me and some others (and is an excuse for those with evil intentions) - one usually takes a peg and searches for a hole it can fit in to, but you pick a hole and look for a peg that might go in.

My reasoning was this:

1. What would a wolf most likely be doing, given the current situation?

2. Is anyone doing that now? If so, lynch them.

Sorry if it seemed irritating, but that's the way I work best.

[Nerwen]

Ye-es... but Menel, if you pretty much only do that, it just seems you're trying to find "reasons" to suspect whoever is most convenient at the time– and to everyone else, of course, that looks a lot like "what a wolf would be doing, given the current situation". See?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Sorry if it seemed irritating, but that's the way I work best.

You weren't irritating at all on a personal level, sorry if I sounded like that. You were more, like, irritating the wolfy radar.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

You weren't irritating at all on a personal level, sorry if I sounded like that. You were more, like, irritating the wolfy radar.

"Pinging", surely? I don't think a radar can be irritated...

[Nogrod]

Kudos Shasta!

We were really bad (we=innocents) in the beginning, then we geared up only to lose at the last possible moment... But hey, that's the fun of the game, a rollercoaster-ride!

Lommy knew you were a wolf after she and Legate had dropped out of the game and when it was revealed I was killed she was here and asked whether I wanted to know the last wolf. I wanted to make a quess and went to and fro for a while ending up with you Shasta because of what I wrote in my post about you trying to systematically ignore and/or divert the Sally-lynch back there. So you were the only one I had "reasons" to suspect, others I just had bad hunches etc.

Not that I would have been able to turn the tables on the last Day had you decided to kill someone else. Probably not... as I'm not sure I would have voted that way in the first place. Who knows.


But I do think this game strengthened - for a long while - the belief that you can actually reason the wolves out and that you can trust some others, at least partially or for the time being. And that is just, well, nice.

Thanks for especially Agan & Nerwen for a half-decent try for co-operation (and this is not intended as a joke) & sorry for Pitch & G55 for a really misguided start!

Thanks for Kitanna as well. It's so much more fun to play when you can trust the moddess to do her job punctually and give a nice scenario! It was sad your quite interesting cobbler-role was soo wasted. But these things happen (I know).

And thanks everyone for playing! It was fun once again!


PS. Extra thanks to Legate for forcing me into a playing-mode...