Werewolf XCVII: Werewolves in the Westfold Game Thread

[Coppermirror]

After I've finished my analysis, I'll probably address the rest of your post, Shasta. But I'll go over this point first.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Yesterday, I was more suspicious of you than I was of Pitch.

You barely said anything yesterDay, just showed up, bantered a bit, then said you would do an analysis of me as nobody else had done so (which you then did) and then voted later. You did not even mention Pitchwife.

In fact, Shasta, your lack of contribution to the discussion yesterDay is one of the things which makes me suspicious of you. The only person you analysed was me, and of your vote for Eomer, you said that was based on self preservation and did not say any more than that. I did ask you that Day to say what your opinions were of Eomer and Pitch were, but you never did.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

But I still need to consider the case against Shasta carefully. He hasn't said much yet, so I want to see more of what he has to say. He's planning to analyse me, but I would very much like to see what he thinks of the other candidates too.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sally:

On Day 1, regarding Nessa's vote for a then-absent Pitch -

Originally Posted by Sally

This is a horrible thing to say, but I think Nessa's vote actually makes me look bad and Pitch look better. After all, she said things against me and then went after someone random in the end, disregarding her earlier "suspicion" of me.

Of course it's also possible she just hoped to lynch a possibly gifted Pitch in his absence, which would also not surprise me; I didn't go after Eomer for fear of doing exactly that, so I could see a wolf capitalizing on the lack of Pitch and disregarding anything else in hopes of having one less gifted come the Morrow.

Regarding the KitSeer incident -

Originally Posted by Sally

Pitch and I really need to stop agreeing. And yes, I'm using the word creepy again, 'cause it's getting to those levels. But, you know, maybe we're just right.

And then today -

Originally Posted by Sally

Oh my cupcakes. I was reading through the thread trying to get a bead on Pitch when I saw this post. And then I realized....

Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny old me
Pitch and I really need to stop agreeing. And yes, I'm using the word creepy again, 'cause it's getting to those levels.
Have I been tricked by Mr. Wolfgreeable all this time?

And then there's her post #207, which I won't bother quoting.


Conclusions:

Well, Sally seems to have barely mentioned Cop at all, and as for Pitch, she mentions him in passing once or twice, but never really seems to suspect him. She's made some points against him today, but for the purposes of determining why she wasn't killed, that's irrelevant.

So, basically, she's an enigma. Speaking from wolvish experience, the only thing worse than having a cleared innocent at endgame is having that same cleared innocent at endgame, and having no idea which way they'll jump. Sally appears to be both, as far as a Copwolf or Pitchwolf is concerned.

So... why not Sally? She appears to be worse than G55 for the wolves to leave alive in every way, which leads me back to my original conclusion - there had to be an extremely pressing reason why the wolf thought having Sally alive at endgame would be more advantageous than having G55.

If we have a Pitchwolf, it might be that having an unknown (Sally) was preferable to having someone who was unlikely to vote Cop and considered Pitch to be a more likely wolf than me. Had Sally been killed, a Pitchwolf would have likely been facing a vote from G55 (and possibly a self-preservation one from me, as well, considering Cop's likely vote for me.)

If we have a Copwolf, the reasoning becomes muddy. As has already been shown, there simply isn't any good reason I can think of for Cop to have killed G55 - had Sally been killed, Cop would have already had a reason to vote for me and could be reasonably sure that she wouldn't be receiving G55's vote. Whereas Sally could vote in any direction - including for Cop.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Cop

You barely said anything yesterDay, just showed up, bantered a bit, then said you would do an analysis of me as nobody else had done so (which you then did) and then voted later. You did not even mention Pitchwife.

Obviously I wasn't suspicious enough of Pitch yesterday to say anything - if I had been, I'd have mentioned it.

Originally Posted by Cop

In fact, Shasta, your lack of contribution to the discussion yesterDay is one of the things which makes me suspicious of you. The only person you analysed was me, and of your vote for Eomer, you said that was based on self preservation and did not say any more than that. I did ask you that Day to say what your opinions were of Eomer and Pitch were, but you never did.

I'm very sorry that the real world intruded, that I was pressed for time, and couldn't meet your exacting standards. My deepest apologies.

In any case, my vote for Eomer was just that - self-preservation. I hadn't looked at him close enough to warrant any real suspicion, so I was forced to vote to keep someone I knew was innocent alive - myself.

As far as Pitch goes, he's been the calm, collected, slightly-under-the-radar Pitch that I'm used to seeing until today. I almost never form an opinion of him before Day 3, he's one of the hardest people for me to read.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'm very sorry that the real world intruded, that I was pressed for time, and couldn't meet your exacting standards. My deepest apologies.

I know you mentioned you were busy yesterDay. But that's not something villagers can rely on when dealing with a possible wolf, as I'm sure you know. The more info that's out there, the better.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In any case, my vote for Eomer was just that - self-preservation. I hadn't looked at him close enough to warrant any real suspicion, so I was forced to vote to keep someone I knew was innocent alive - myself.

As far as Pitch goes, he's been the calm, collected, slightly-under-the-radar Pitch that I'm used to seeing until today. I almost never form an opinion of him before Day 3, he's one of the hardest people for me to read.

Hmm...that's fairly useful information to know. Thanks.