Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Lommy - List of people post is about as telling as mine. But where mine is seriously acknowledged as limitted to start and help me categorizing people (yep, sorry I fit people into personal compartments). I can't tell if Lommy's is a serious attempt to look unserious and random. Or if it's an unserious attempt to start the serious suspicion train a moving.

I wanted to write a serious post but I realised pretty soon there's really nothing to go on by, so it ended up being 85% jokey. But I did pay attention to G55 apologies-in-advance and to your post which could have included a coded message. (To be fair, so could have Morsul's poetic first post, but yours struck me more that way.)

[McCaber]

Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me". That strikes me as the only coded message really worth sending, but I'm not really getting that from Morsul's doggerel or Boro's clickety clacking.

[Coppermirror]

People I'm currently considering voting for:

G55 the Reindeer. Well. I wasn't entirely joking when I suggested that we examined the "Christmas cheer" statements from people. I wondered above whether a Christmas-hating wolf would suggest a snow monument for Suzy Snowflake, and actually, reflecting on that, I think one might. Yes, I know this is super flimsy reasoning. Right now I'm not getting any feelings of "G55 is innocent" from her comments.

Inzil the Snowman. I feel uneasy about Inzil's comments, but I can't put my finger on why, and don't want to make a mistake. He suggested that analysing things too much at this point could be damaging, which is true, especially for the Boro-Nerwen-Lommy thing he was talking about. But we have to analyse based on what we have in front of us, or not at all, so there's no choice. Maybe it was his suggestion that it would harm the Christmas spirit that's bothering me.

I'll give a list of suspicions. It's very flimsy and based on gut feelings, and my gut feelings aren't usually accurate, but it's better to put something on the table. The more people who do this, the better the information everyone will have toMorrow. I suggest that most of us should do this.

Not at all suspicious of:
Nobody except myself.

Not particularly worried about at present (but will examine further before voting):
Boro the Reindeer
Morsul Tim
Lommy Paksu

Feeling vaguely uneasy about:
Shasta Frost
Nerwen the Fairy
Legate Claus

Feeling quite uneasy about:
G55 the Reindeer
Inzil the Snowman

Extremely suspicious of:
Nobody, unfortunately.

Nothing much to judge by yet:
Sally Who
Eonwe Valkotukka

Edit: cross-posted with G55, Boro, Legate, McCaber.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I have to say that while Lommy's vote explanation seemed lousy at first glance, I'm quite impressed with it, considering how little there is to go on from. That is probably the most reasonable thing toDay.

Actually, I have to agree. Lommy's been rather innocentish, and for a Day 1 vote it's not bad, considering she's right. I have been in a rather bantery mode, though it's partly from not being home a great deal toDay and just checking in whenever. There's one or two others that might seem to fit the same bill though.

[Coppermirror]

How long have we got until the deadline?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

How long have we got until the deadline?

2 hours and 15 minutes.

[Coppermirror]

Okay...

In that case, I'm planning to vote for Inzil unless something comes up before deadline.

The reason I'm not planning on voting for the other person I suspect right now, G55, is because I like her gut feeling list of suspicions and think it might be from the thought process of an innocent. She's also posted with further analysis. Although the bit where she's said I have "no real suspicions" while...actually pretty much true, does skim over the fact that she was at joint first place in my suspicions, flimsy as those suspicions are.

Goodness, that all sounds so negative and lacking in Christmas cheer! I should go and listen to some carols.

Edit: cross-posted with Boro.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

In that case, I'm planning to vote for Inzil unless something comes up before deadline.

Ah, the bandwagon. Does it approach?

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

The reason I'm not planning on voting for the other person I suspect right now, G55, is because I like her gut feeling list of suspicions and think it might be from the thought process of an innocent. She's also posted with further analysis. Although the bit where she's said I have "no real suspicions" while...actually pretty much true, does skim over the fact that she was at joint first place in my suspicions, flimsy as those suspicions are.

I was getting the feeling that G55 was wanting to pick through those "coded" posts out in the open, and we all know that the Cobbler isn't the only one who might be doing that. And yes, finding things to discuss can be difficult on Day 1, but I just didn't think that was the wisest course of action.

[Coppermirror]

++Inzil

I'll be interested to see how other people vote after this.

The current tally:

Inzil - 2 votes (Thinlomien, Coppermirror)
Boro - 1 vote (Legate)

[McCaber]

Right now I'm probably going to vote sally, but I'm willing to give her another hour or so to show up. Silence is most assuredly not golden here, but will just get you a lump of coal in your stocking.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Right now I'm probably going to vote sally, but I'm willing to give her another hour or so to show up. Silence is most assuredly not golden here, but will just get you a lump of coal in your stocking.

That's where I've been leaning since the most suspicious to me had been Copper...the asking me how I felt about Nerwen's translation struck me as rather odd, but last several posts have relieved general feelings of oddity.

Legate's been making a history of voting early for me...frankly, I think I've just become an easy target for him when he hasn't got much of an idea/hold on anyone else playing...as annoying as it can be, I'll forgive the behavior today.

[Inziladun]

I was considering G55, but Coppermirror's vote looks like a straight-up bandwagon attempt.

x/d with Boro

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I was considering G55, but Coppermirror's vote looks like a straight-up bandwagon attempt.

You're one of the two players I suspected the most toDay (albeit not on great grounds, but I don't have anything better to go by), and I decided not to vote for G55. I want to play straightforwardly here, and not be cowardly by failing to vote for the person I suspect the most, even if that means casting a second vote and perhaps looking suspicious because of that.

[Boromir88]

I'm going to be present through the DL, but I can't see much that will change my mind today...

++sally

No point in waiting...get a few names out there and see what happens/others decide to do.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I was considering G55, but Coppermirror's vote looks like a straight-up bandwagon attempt.

There's a possibility of that. Based on the few suspicions we've had toDay, she seems like the most reasonably suspected person at the moment.

Yes, I can see how she might be a wolf, in which case all or most of the suspicions are justified and likely true.

Yes, I can also see her as an innocent making... what's the word? Not slips. Not mistakes. Just saying things that others could turn against you, when it's just a coincidence.

I would leave Cop for now, because while she looks like she's bandwagoning, it also looks like she's being bandwagoned. Plus, I haven't changed my mind about Legate. Or my guts feelings. Take your pick.

EDIT: xed with Cop and Boro

[Coppermirror]

Wow, we got lucky there. Good work, ranger.

I have to leave now, but I wrote up a post last Night. Looks as if I don't need to edit it in response to someone getting killed overNight after all. I'm just going to post it unabridged and head off to do Christmassy things.

Unabridged post:

What a tragedy! I'm terrified.

To think that Boro the Reindeer and [name] have been killed too. Truly, we must work harder to erase the Doom of Christmastown. I think we should beware those who haven't said their piece...but nobody seems to listen to ghosts around here.

Anyway, analysis. I wrote this up overNight, so it isn't up to date and may contain errors. I also didn't have time to finish it, so it only covers a few people, and I'll be so annoyed if one of those gets killed off overNight. Ideally I'd have looked at everyone. But for the people I have covered, I've got a few questions I'd like to have cleared up.

A pity that we lost Boro. Given our odds, it was quite likely that we'd lose an innocent yesterDay, so we can at least be happy that we lost an ordo rather than a gifted. But it really sucks, because Boro looked innocent and was being useful. He was actively participating and even suggesting new ways for people to discuss things.

I was a bit curious about people's choices for suspicion yesterDay, so I went through and counted how many posts each person made. Here's the post count from yesterDay (and a vote count, although not in order of timing):

Sally: 1 post (and no vote!)
Shasta: 10 posts (Voted Boro)
G55: 14 (Voted Legate)
Coppermirror: 14 (Voted Inzil)
Eonwe: 4 (Voted Boro)
Morsul: 6 (and no vote!)
Nerwen: 2 (and no vote!)
Inzil: 14 (Voted Boro)
Boro: 14 (Voted Sally)
McCaber: 6 (Voted Sally)
Thinlomien: 7 (Voted Inzil)
Legate: 7 (Voted Boro)

Accordingly, if we were simply going by voting for the most visible players, the biggest targets should have been...G55, me, Inzil, and Boro-innocent. All of whom came under a decent quantity of suspicion yesterDay, for one reason or another, and Boro who got voted off. I think we've messed up Day 1 rather badly in this regard. On the other hand, what were we supposed to do – suspect people who hadn't posted yet much? McCaber and Boro-innocent both ended up voting for Sally. They were both criticised for doing so, and I can see why. But, maybe they were right to take that tactic.

Three people haven't even voted. All of those people were among those who didn't post much, so there's little to go on there. Morsul mentioned in the admin post that RL things would cause problems for his participation, so I'll give him a free pass on that (although since he's also not going to be around much toDay, heaven help us if he's a wolf). Nerwen and Sally, though...

Given that three people didn't vote and that many people didn't post much at all, toDay I will be very wary of the possibility that all of the wolves could be among the non-voting and not-posting-much people. 5 people posted a decent amount, and 4 of those survived. 7 people remain who didn't post nearly as much.

Inzil

Inzil's voting yesterDay was probably, as he said, to save himself. At the time he voted, three people were tied on 2 votes: Inzil, Sally, and Boro. He said that this was because nobody was going for his top suspect – but he never said who his top suspect was. From what I can tell, his suspects late in the Day were G55, me, and Legate. (That's interesting, incidentally, as Boro-innocent listed those three as people he thought were up to some sort of scheme together.)

Inzil started to suspect me at the point when I said I was voting for him, thinking it was a bandwagon. The reason Inzil appeared to suspect G55 was because she was wanting to pick over the are-they-coded posts in the open. For Legate, the reasoning is as quoted below. None of these seem totally unreasonable reasons, given the low amount of serious discussion yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I can respect that, though it still looks opportunistic, much more so than Lommy's.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Legate does seem a littleoff, as in a little more detached and rushed-feeling, and I disagree with his suspicion of Boro. Still, I don't know that's enough grounds for a vote at this point.

Inzil, who is the person you suspected the most yesterDay?

I'm not sure whether I still suspect Inzil. Going through his later posts in more detail and at my leisure, there's actually nothing in particular there which stands out as suspicious. Hmm. Okay, no. I'll revise my opinion: I don't find Inzil nearly as suspicious toDay as I did yesterDay when I voted. If I was voting right now, I wouldn't vote for him (I'd probably vote for McCaber or even a submarine). But this isn't the same as thinking that he's innocent. Though seeing Inzil's reaction was helpful, I do regret that he had to vote for someone else to save himself from a three way tie, since if he is a wolf that would have been great cover for his voting choice.

McCaber

Originally Posted by McCaber

Right now I'm probably going to vote sally, but I'm willing to give her another hour or so to show up. Silence is most assuredly not golden here, but will just get you a lump of coal in your stocking.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Honestly, he [Eonwe] was so quiet I'd forgotten he existed. But seeing as he's contributed since then, he has deferred my wrath toDay.

I've given her an hour, and still nothing.
++sally
Let that be a warning to those who would remain silent.

Something that jumps out at me is that McCaber Tim has been very quiet for someone who decided to vote for someone based on a lack of posting and contributions. McCaber, why didn't you offer any analysis towards the end of the Day? You suggested “Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me" but you offered very little of substance at all, aside from that, and in fact most of your posts were about how you were going to vote for somebody quiet. I find it suspicious.

And anyone else – is this McCaber's usual playing style?


Sally – nothing to go on. Didn't vote, and only posted once.

Nerwen – hardly anything to go on. Didn't vote, and only posted twice.

Morsul – very little to go on. Didn't vote, and posted 6 times, mostly without substance at the bantering end of the game.

Legate:

Initially, Legate wanted us to look for Cobblers and people trying to respond to them. He didn't have a huge range of suspicions, but did suspect Boro.

Legate's suspicion of Boro-innocent's behaviour was hard to follow, and he ended up voting for Boro-innocent based on that. The vote was the first vote of the Day. If his suspicions were genuine, thinking that Boro was not acting like himself and being “really strangely noncommited at first and somewhat shifty now “ would be sufficient grounds for a vote. But I can't quite understand why Boro seemed shifty to Legate.

Legate, could you explain it a bit more, as concisely as possible?

On gut feelings yesterDay, I had considered Legate suspicious, but now I'm not so sure. But I would like to know more about the suspicion of Boro, even though Boro said that Legate's in the habit of voting for him.

In response to some things yesterDay which I didn't have time to comment on then:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I can understand that those were the two you found most suspicious, but it seemed to me that you had decided "Okay, these are the two I'm going to decide between" and basically left everyone else alone. I didn't really see a reason to have narrowed the field to two people so early.

Oh, okay, I see your reasoning now. But I think you were being too hasty in that line of thought. My vote was placed when the deadline was an hour and a half away. I don't consider that an early vote at all. I did mention about half an hour before I placed my vote that I intended to vote for Inzil, and that gave him a chance to respond. Placing a vote at that time also allowed me to watch and see how people would react, since I ended up being able to stay around to watch until the deadline. I mentioned this before, but I don't like it when all the meat of a Day's discussion is limited to the last few minutes, especially a Day 1.

If I have time later I'll look at yesterDay's posts for Shasta, G55, Eonwe and Thinlomien too, although by the time I get around to it it's likely that we'll have a bunch of new things to analyse. I'm too busy toDay for much.

I should note that I do find it suspicious when people show up close to the end without seeming to try contributing beforehand. Going by that on its own, Eonwe looks the worst.

I don't want to lead everyone off on a wild goose chase, but I'm still really confused about what Boromir was talking about yesterDay when he thought that there was something going on between me, G55 and Legate. Unfortunately he's not here to answer. I thought that maybe he was the cobbler when he posted that, but since he's a proven ordo now, his suspicion must have been genuine. And I have no idea what it could have been based on, which is annoying. Does anybody else have a guess?

Happy Christmas Eve to you all. We must not forget our Christmas cheer, even in these tragic times.

[Coppermirror]

Rolling up my long, ghostly sleeves now...

I may be dragged out somewhere for an outing this afternoon, and I'm not sure when that will end, so there's a risk I'll miss the deadline. If I can decide on a vote in the next hour or so, I'll place it. Which means I've got to try to get through all this really quickly.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Voting record:
Lommy--> Inzil (1)
Legate--> Boro (1) *Not bolded
Cop--> Inzil (2)
Boro--> Sally (1)
McCaber--> Sally (2)
Steve--> Boro (2)
G55--> Legate (1)
Inzil--> Boro (3)
Shasta--> Boro (4)

Looking only at the voting record, the only person we know to be innocent was Boro, and he got 4 votes.

Of these:

Legate - hasn't shown up yet toDay, and so hasn't been able to answer my question asking for clarification about the reasons for finding Boro suspicious. I'm a bit in limbo on this issue, accordingly.

Eonwe - had been considering the possibility of a Boro-Legate pack. Other than that I can't seem to find his reasoning for his Boro vote. This is a bit unfortunate.

Eonwe, why did you vote for Boro? (...Based on what he said earlier, there's a big risk he won't be around to answer this.)

Inzil - says it was because he didn't want to vote for Sally, who mostly hadn't showed up and didn't have an opportunity to defend herself. That's not an unreasonable stance.

Shasta - voted right after Inzil did. They posted in the same minute, so it's possible that (a) he thought he was breaking the tie and hadn't seen Inzil's vote, or (b) he did see it, but wasn't prepared to raise up any other candidate (Sally or Inzil ) to three votes and force a tie/he needed to cast a vote.

His reasoning is just that Boro should have known better than to vote for somebody who wasn't there. He also didn't want to vote for any of the top three candidates. That's not unreasonable either.

It's difficult to draw a conclusion from all this. Legate drew a target on Boro for reasons I don't understand, and Eonwe followed up with a second vote based on reasoning I can't find (other than the possibility of a Boro-Legate pack).

For a moment I'll throw around the possibility of a Legate-Eonwe pack (and guys, I'm not accusing you here, just imagining scenarios). Legate apparently has a habit of voting for Boro early on in games. Knowing that and that Boro is innocent, they could use that as cover for a Boro vote, and Eonwe could follow on with it...But if that was planned out, would Eonwe omit to give any firm reasoning? Wolf-Eonwe wouldn't want to say "I suspect him for the same reason Legate does", but I find it hard to believe that someone would skimp on finding another reason. Provisionally, I'm going to conclude it's not likely that we have a Legate-Eonwe pack here. It's also just not likely that two wolves would vote for the same person when they're only a two-wolf pack.

Ah, and I see as I write this that Legate has posted with his reasoning for the Boro vote. I'll have to read that.

Nice pictures, G55!

[Coppermirror]

Back, reading, and trying to put together a current chart categorising suspicions. Looks as if worryingly little has happened since I was here last.

[Boromir88]

A reminded votes should be highlighted not bold.

[Coppermirror]

One more thing - I've really got to note that the lack of posting from several people makes this Day really, really difficult. It would be extremely easy for a wolf or even two to be hiding amongst those people. I ended up not voting for quiet players this time, to give them a chance, but if I'm still around toMorrow, I'll definitely be looking at those people as more suspicious than I did toDay.

Edit: cross-posted with McCaber.

[Coppermirror]

Assuming it's okay to edit for this purpose, I'll go back and edit my vote so it's in red.

[Coppermirror]

Possibly the last post from me for the Day. I'd like to go over how my opinion's changed over the past little while in case I'm not around toMorrow to say so.

Sally, Shasta: Have said painfully little. ToMorrow I'd be increasingly suspicious of them.

G55 : No change. I'm still suspicious of her, still not on great grounds. That could change either way if we got to a Day with more substance. I think I'd at least need to examine how she votes toDay. She does seem to be actively participating at the moment, which is good.

Eonwe: Has stayed quiet until just before the end, so I'd be thinking of that as suspicious tomorrow. It is convenient that he's kept himself out of the way as a target of discussion but has shown up just now. I find it a little suspicious that he said my posts so far have been "mostly totally in-character banter", since although there has been plenty of that, I've been making an effort at analysis too for a while now. Other than that, his brief analysis of people looks reasonable to me.

Morsul: No change. Hasn't posted much of any substance, which is a problem. Anyone willing to comment on how Morsul usually plays? I'm not familiar with it.

Nerwen: Not a huge amount of change. Doesn't seem to have contributed a lot to the discussions so far, although her last post was interesting. I'll have to think about that one more before reaching any real conclusions, but my first impression of it did raise my suspicion of her a bit.

Inzil: Voted for him. I'm finding it hard to read his behaviour from after I said I was likely to vote for him. Would have to think about this one more too.

Boro: My initial impression was of innocence. As time goes on I'm not so sure of that, but I still don't have any particular reason to suspect him yet.

McCaber : Has said fairly little, but decided to vote for Sally on the grounds of quietness. That's reasonable, but it could also be a really good vote for a wolf to make.

Lommy - No change. At present she doesn't look particularly suspicious to me.

Legate - Little change from before. I'm still feeling uneasy about them, but I haven't played with them before. I found the exchange between them and Boro about Boro's usual playing style confusing.

I'm quite concerned at how easy it could have been for wolves to stay quiet toDay or to only show up and post near the end, when it was safe.

Edit: cross-posted with the last 4 comments.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I wanted to write a serious post but I realised pretty soon there's really nothing to go on by, so it ended up being 85% jokey. But I did pay attention to G55 apologies-in-advance and to your post which could have included a coded message. (To be fair, so could have Morsul's poetic first post, but yours struck me more that way.)

I suppose it could, but I'm a bit more hit you right over the head with coded messages. I got a kick out of the phantom last time with his "Boro's 5th letter of his 1st sentence is an I, then the 7th letter of his 4th sentence is an S. This is clearly a message!"

Nah, it's more like what an ordinary day we're having, don't you think? That's all the complicated my head and messages get.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boro

I suppose it could, but I'm a bit more hit you right over the head with coded messages. I got a kick out of the phantom last time with his "Boro's 5th letter of his 1st sentence is an I, then the 7th letter of his 4th sentence is an S. This is clearly a message!"

Nah, it's more like what an ordinary day we're having, don't you think? That's all the complicated my head and messages get.

Mostly it looked like you could be making an opening for future coded messages involving reindeer speech. But I anyway agree with you about it being a very ordinary Day this far.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me". That strikes me as the only coded message really worth sending, but I'm not really getting that from Morsul's doggerel or Boro's clickety clacking.

If you're looking for that, then Coppermirror's first post seems the most fruitful, but I'm really grasping at straws here.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Galadriel had same thought as me regarding Boro which scaresme not furry scary just in general Galadriel might want get checked if she thinks like me... shudders

Like asylum kind of "checked"?

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've looked into the matter. However, I don't think speculation of any real meaning would be useful at this point, and it could be damaging, at least to those in the Christmas spirit...

Damaging? In the sense that they won't have time to reply to it?

Personally I just find it useless to go in an endless cycle that doesn't yield anything.


Suspicion/gut-feeling list to follow shortly.

EDIT: xed with Cop

[Shastanis Althreduin]

After skimming/reading again, the only thing that's really caught my eye is, as per usual, the way G55 has of appearing overly-helpful on the first day. I don't think I'll be basing a vote on it, though - I'm pretty sure she's been lynched many times for the same thing, only to be innocent.

This is a puzzler. I need to go write down my thoughts. Where, you ask? Why, in frost, on windowpanes, of course. Tis tradition.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me". That strikes me as the only coded message really worth sending, but I'm not really getting that from Morsul's doggerel or Boro's clickety clacking.

Yeah, Cobbler-hinting is useful, but like you, I haven't seen anything noteworthy.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Damaging? In the sense that they won't have time to reply to it?

Damaging if you go trying to openly work out if someone's writing in code, and they aren't the Cobbler.

x/d with Shasta and Lommy

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, glad that it seems at least a prompt to talk made something start happening.

I am getting some general ideas about people, which is good, if I am supposed to vote in the next hour or so...

Sally - Who?
Shasta - appears but does not say much, hope he gets back to talk more now that there are things he can respond to...
G55 - I might actually find her behavior a bit suspicious, because what she did was the initial random banter just like everyone, but then at some point she started posting something that started to look like something of substance, but in fact it looked more like forced way of saying something and being "non-commited" at the same time (or ending up sort of sweeping the things she was talking about under the carpet, reverting to the fun-part with the sort of "but forgot I said anything" tone, and not trying to stir any discussion or anything, which could be of possible fear of getting herself in the middle of discussion). It just seems to me on first sight markingly different from the G55 I remember.
Coppermirror - I have no personal experience with her (him? it?), but seems, well, like a "thinking" person, I am probably not going to vote it yet, at least not before I learn something more... so far, no problems though
Steve - strangely absent.
Morsul - actually, since I know him, I *think* you can call his behavior as trying to be active one, even if objectively, he did not contribute much. But in any case, does not strike me in any sinister manner, no.
Nerwen - actually pretty much like herself...
Zil - said nothing much, this far; I would actually have expected him to be more vocal. That is also somehow unusual thing.
Boro - ditto. He posted more, but 99% of it was just banter. I would have expected more initiative on his part.
McCaber - hmm, seems to have a slightly slow start, but then, seems to think independantly, which is a positive sign. So actually looking quite good to me for now (of course, with the little we have to base thoughts on...)
Lommy - now posting, and in fact, possibly from start things which looked like attempts to post something possibly substantial... though of course, e.g. her comment about Reindeer-jingling being a Cobbler thing was a thing a Wolf-Lommy might have said too because she would have known people would have expected it from an innocent Lommy etc etc... but I don't have any really bad vibes from her style of playing otherwise.

I would really appreciate seeing more of the not-too-much-active-yet people, but let's see if there's time for it (and if they appear).

EDIT: x-ed with G55, Steve, Shasta, Lommy and Zil

[Galadriel55]

Shiny red nose feeling:
Shasta
Zil

Dull red nose feeling:
Morsul
Cop
Nerwen
Lommy

Wet and cold nose feeling:
Legate
Boro

No feeling:
Sally
Steve
Cabbie 



Now some of these gut-feelings don't exactly correspond to what my brain says, something I will get to in a moment - as soon as I reskim the thread again nd possibly make a summary.

I have to say that while Lommy's vote explanation seemed lousy at first glance, I'm quite impressed with it, considering how little there is to go on from. That is probably the most reasonable thing toDay.

Summary, here I come!

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Boro - ditto. He posted more, but 99% of it was just banter. I would have expected more initiative on his part.

I protest this characterization. First post yes. The rest though...not banter at all. I suppose compared to your posts it is 99% banter, but that must make posts from others indefinitely banter?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I protest this characterization. First post yes. The rest though...not banter at all. I suppose compared to your posts it is 99% banter, but that must make posts from others indefinitely banter?

It does. But the point is, you, the way I know you, are more to the Nog-side than to the xyzzy-side, if you get my meaning (for those players who don't know: xyzzy was a person famous for playing in several games, basically posting one post per day if ever, if that post contained a vote, it was quite random, and so on...). I would have expected you to poke people into actually talking, yet your posts give the impression that effectively, until the point I asked for some substance in posting, you seemed happy with continuing ICly until DL. Or in other words (if I say it in a bit exaggerated way), I would have expected *you* to say "hey people, start saying something" instead of waiting for *me* to do it.

Such behavior wouldn't seem strange to me in the case of, say, sally, but in yours, it does.

[McCaber]

Yeah, where has sally been? She hasn't said anything about needing to be absent toDay.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Such behavior wouldn't seem strange to me in the case of, say, sally, but in yours, it does.

It could just depend on when an idea comes to me...if I'm staring at no new posts, thus no new info to input, can't really prod, right? But an idea has come to me...Here's the player list:

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy
Zil - Frosty
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu
Legate - Santa Claus

Myself removed, because it's a hypothetical that logically can't involve me. So here's the hypothetical...

You're tied in votes with the person below you on the list (In this case, Legate, you're at the bottom, so instead it would be sally). I have the last vote, what would you say to me (based on what's taken place so far today) to convince me not to vote for you, and instead to lynch sally? (Anyone else who wants to apply this hypothetical, feel free...Lommy you're tied with Legate, I have the last vote...why should I vote to lynch Legate and not you?...etc)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Morsul

All right, but that snowman will have to have a hat of their own. This one's taken!
Not sure why... but read this in a dixie southern woman's voice and it was Hilarious

It does!

Originally Posted by Legate

So otherwise, as for more practical questions... maybe one thing that should be cleared about the rules (maybe the Moddess should actually answer this, if she happens to be reading?), the Cobbler does count in the tally as innocent or as Wolf?

I think there's been.... oh, maybe one game ever where the Cobbler counted as a wolf. (Maybe I'm wrong, as we're now up to WWC, so probably pretty much anything you could think of has happened by now.) But still– it would be such an exceptional thing I'm wondering why you feel the need to ask at all. It's like asking, "Can the Ranger kill people?"

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy: Shared reindeer language interpretations with us, and suggested through that that Boromir is a hooved wolf. Could be nothing but a joke. Could be an opportunistic Seer trying to hide an accusation, but probably isn't. Could be a wolf or Cobbler trying to look a little Seer-ish.

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

EDIT:X'd with Coppermirror.

[Eönwë]

#14 - Lommy's 'semi-real' list.
Potential suspicions:
G55
Morsul
Boro


#18 - Boro
Lommy, but he's not sure what.


#24 - G55
Brings up the reindeer-translating Lommy/Nerwen/Boro possibility, then rejects it straight away.


#29 - Boro
Adds CM to the Lommy/Nerwen/Boro trio to be discussed.

#31 - Morsul
Likes:
Boro
Lommy
[Something I don't understand with Legate]


#34 - Zil
Doesn't think it's worth examining the trio.


#35 - McCaber
Suspects Legate


#39 - Lommy posts a serious list.

Likes:
CM
Morsul
McCaber

Dislikes:
G55
Zil (possibly)

Uncertain of:
Legate
Boro


#44 - CM's semi-serious list

Potential accusation:
G55
Nerwen


#47 - Shasta
Has G55 is over-helpful, then retracts


#48 - Lommy votes
Zil


#50 - Legate-list

Suspects:
G55
Zil
Boro

Don't seem bad:
CM
Morsul
Nerwen
McCaber
Lommy


#51 - G55's gut-feeling post.

Likes:
Shasta
Zil

Unsure:
Morsul
CM
Nerwen
Lommy

Suspects:
Legate
Boro


#55 - Serious CM list

Likes:
Boro
Morsul
Lommy

Unsure:
Shasta
Nerwen
Legate

Dislikes:
G55
Inzil


#56 - Zil
Likes Lommy


#61 - Legate
Potential Boro suspicion


#62 - G55
Suspects:
Boro
Lommy


#65 - Legate
VERY light suspicion of CM


#70 - CM
Top suspect: Zil
Next suspect: G55


#72 - G55
Most likely to vote: Legate
Also suspects: Boro


#73 - Legate
Votes Boro

Vote tally:
Lommy -> Zil
Legate -> Boro

#74 - CM
Votes Zil

Vote tally:
Lommy -> Zil
Legate -> Boro
CM -> Zil (2)


#75 - McCaber
Plans to vote Sally


#79 - Steve-list

Innocent:
G55
Morsul

Not innocent enough:
Zil
Boro
McCaber
Lommy
Legate (as a Cobbler)


#80 - Boro
Suspects CM


#81 - Zil
Doesn't like:
CM
G55


#83 - Boro
Votes Sally

Vote tally:
Lommy -> Zil
Legate -> Boro
CM -> Zil (2)
Boro -> Sally


#84 - G55
Wants to go for Legate
Claims there's a CM bandwaggon


#85 - Steve
CM not cobbler

Though not entirely innocent, would rather not lynch:
Zil
Legate


#87 - Zil
Suspects Legate
Claims there is no CM bandwaggon


[TO BE CONTINUED]


And now I absolutely have to go, sadly just before the important part. I should be back in a few hours for a few hours, and then that'll be it for me until after Christmas.



edit: x-ed since my last.