Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boro

I suppose it could, but I'm a bit more hit you right over the head with coded messages. I got a kick out of the phantom last time with his "Boro's 5th letter of his 1st sentence is an I, then the 7th letter of his 4th sentence is an S. This is clearly a message!"

Nah, it's more like what an ordinary day we're having, don't you think? That's all the complicated my head and messages get.

Mostly it looked like you could be making an opening for future coded messages involving reindeer speech. But I anyway agree with you about it being a very ordinary Day this far.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me". That strikes me as the only coded message really worth sending, but I'm not really getting that from Morsul's doggerel or Boro's clickety clacking.

If you're looking for that, then Coppermirror's first post seems the most fruitful, but I'm really grasping at straws here.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Galadriel had same thought as me regarding Boro which scaresme not furry scary just in general Galadriel might want get checked if she thinks like me... shudders

Like asylum kind of "checked"?

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've looked into the matter. However, I don't think speculation of any real meaning would be useful at this point, and it could be damaging, at least to those in the Christmas spirit...

Damaging? In the sense that they won't have time to reply to it?

Personally I just find it useless to go in an endless cycle that doesn't yield anything.


Suspicion/gut-feeling list to follow shortly.

EDIT: xed with Cop

[Shastanis Althreduin]

After skimming/reading again, the only thing that's really caught my eye is, as per usual, the way G55 has of appearing overly-helpful on the first day. I don't think I'll be basing a vote on it, though - I'm pretty sure she's been lynched many times for the same thing, only to be innocent.

This is a puzzler. I need to go write down my thoughts. Where, you ask? Why, in frost, on windowpanes, of course. Tis tradition.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me". That strikes me as the only coded message really worth sending, but I'm not really getting that from Morsul's doggerel or Boro's clickety clacking.

Yeah, Cobbler-hinting is useful, but like you, I haven't seen anything noteworthy.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Damaging? In the sense that they won't have time to reply to it?

Damaging if you go trying to openly work out if someone's writing in code, and they aren't the Cobbler.

x/d with Shasta and Lommy

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, glad that it seems at least a prompt to talk made something start happening.

I am getting some general ideas about people, which is good, if I am supposed to vote in the next hour or so...

Sally - Who?
Shasta - appears but does not say much, hope he gets back to talk more now that there are things he can respond to...
G55 - I might actually find her behavior a bit suspicious, because what she did was the initial random banter just like everyone, but then at some point she started posting something that started to look like something of substance, but in fact it looked more like forced way of saying something and being "non-commited" at the same time (or ending up sort of sweeping the things she was talking about under the carpet, reverting to the fun-part with the sort of "but forgot I said anything" tone, and not trying to stir any discussion or anything, which could be of possible fear of getting herself in the middle of discussion). It just seems to me on first sight markingly different from the G55 I remember.
Coppermirror - I have no personal experience with her (him? it?), but seems, well, like a "thinking" person, I am probably not going to vote it yet, at least not before I learn something more... so far, no problems though
Steve - strangely absent.
Morsul - actually, since I know him, I *think* you can call his behavior as trying to be active one, even if objectively, he did not contribute much. But in any case, does not strike me in any sinister manner, no.
Nerwen - actually pretty much like herself...
Zil - said nothing much, this far; I would actually have expected him to be more vocal. That is also somehow unusual thing.
Boro - ditto. He posted more, but 99% of it was just banter. I would have expected more initiative on his part.
McCaber - hmm, seems to have a slightly slow start, but then, seems to think independantly, which is a positive sign. So actually looking quite good to me for now (of course, with the little we have to base thoughts on...)
Lommy - now posting, and in fact, possibly from start things which looked like attempts to post something possibly substantial... though of course, e.g. her comment about Reindeer-jingling being a Cobbler thing was a thing a Wolf-Lommy might have said too because she would have known people would have expected it from an innocent Lommy etc etc... but I don't have any really bad vibes from her style of playing otherwise.

I would really appreciate seeing more of the not-too-much-active-yet people, but let's see if there's time for it (and if they appear).

EDIT: x-ed with G55, Steve, Shasta, Lommy and Zil

[Galadriel55]

Shiny red nose feeling:
Shasta
Zil

Dull red nose feeling:
Morsul
Cop
Nerwen
Lommy

Wet and cold nose feeling:
Legate
Boro

No feeling:
Sally
Steve
Cabbie 



Now some of these gut-feelings don't exactly correspond to what my brain says, something I will get to in a moment - as soon as I reskim the thread again nd possibly make a summary.

I have to say that while Lommy's vote explanation seemed lousy at first glance, I'm quite impressed with it, considering how little there is to go on from. That is probably the most reasonable thing toDay.

Summary, here I come!

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Boro - ditto. He posted more, but 99% of it was just banter. I would have expected more initiative on his part.

I protest this characterization. First post yes. The rest though...not banter at all. I suppose compared to your posts it is 99% banter, but that must make posts from others indefinitely banter?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I protest this characterization. First post yes. The rest though...not banter at all. I suppose compared to your posts it is 99% banter, but that must make posts from others indefinitely banter?

It does. But the point is, you, the way I know you, are more to the Nog-side than to the xyzzy-side, if you get my meaning (for those players who don't know: xyzzy was a person famous for playing in several games, basically posting one post per day if ever, if that post contained a vote, it was quite random, and so on...). I would have expected you to poke people into actually talking, yet your posts give the impression that effectively, until the point I asked for some substance in posting, you seemed happy with continuing ICly until DL. Or in other words (if I say it in a bit exaggerated way), I would have expected *you* to say "hey people, start saying something" instead of waiting for *me* to do it.

Such behavior wouldn't seem strange to me in the case of, say, sally, but in yours, it does.

[McCaber]

Yeah, where has sally been? She hasn't said anything about needing to be absent toDay.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Such behavior wouldn't seem strange to me in the case of, say, sally, but in yours, it does.

It could just depend on when an idea comes to me...if I'm staring at no new posts, thus no new info to input, can't really prod, right? But an idea has come to me...Here's the player list:

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy
Zil - Frosty
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu
Legate - Santa Claus

Myself removed, because it's a hypothetical that logically can't involve me. So here's the hypothetical...

You're tied in votes with the person below you on the list (In this case, Legate, you're at the bottom, so instead it would be sally). I have the last vote, what would you say to me (based on what's taken place so far today) to convince me not to vote for you, and instead to lynch sally? (Anyone else who wants to apply this hypothetical, feel free...Lommy you're tied with Legate, I have the last vote...why should I vote to lynch Legate and not you?...etc)

[Boromir88]

And crap...forgot Lommy voted...

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

You're tied in votes with the person below you on the list (In this case, Legate, you're at the bottom, so instead it would be sally). I have the last vote, what would you say to me (based on what's taken place so far today) to convince me not to vote for you, and instead to lynch sally? (Anyone else who wants to apply this hypothetical, feel free...Lommy you're tied with Legate, I have the last vote...why should I vote to lynch Legate and not you?...etc)

Why not, I'll apply this too. We might get some extra info from people if a bunch of us do this. Or we might not, but we have very little to go by anyway.

So for me, that means that I'd be tied on votes with Eonwe. I would say that you shouldn't vote for me because I'm actively participating, and Eonwe, for whatever reason, hasn't said much yet.

But Boro, why don't you try this too? That means that you need to look at the hypothetical situation of why people shouldn't vote for you in the event of a tie between you and McCaber. I'd like to hear it.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

But Boro, why don't you try this too? That means that you need to look at the hypothetical situation of why people shouldn't vote for you in the event of a tie between you and McCaber. I'd like to hear it.

Sure...why not.

McCaber admittedly withholds a lot of what he's thinking...either to my great benefit or flaw, I don't. I'm an unfiltered blabberer, but it also lets everyone know where I stand and how I go about conducting business/voting. If I'm a wolfy, it's going to be known within 2 or 3 days, guaranteed. McCaber can never get a grasp on, rather unpredictable, but it also means he's very good at slipping through forgotten, an ideal "wolf under the radar" candidate.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It could just depend on when an idea comes to me...if I'm staring at no new posts, thus no new info to input, can't really prod, right?

But to me, the idea came. It really is not about saying something brilliant. It is about actually making an effort to say, or make people say something. I mean really, this has been one of the laziest Day Ones I have seen in WW, I really don't want to sound like Nog, it's all fun, we're waiting for Christmas, but if we are to lynch somebody...

Anyway, as for your list, well! That's actually not a bad idea for Day 1. Even though it has gaps (for instance, like you said, my place would be to say why not me but sally - then obviously I would say "she hasn't been around at all", which pretty much is an undisputable argument), it's a nice one. It'd have been even better if you had posted something like that half a Day ago and not two hours before DL (or how much exactly it is)... though it is true that it might give some good info even in the upcoming few hours, and also feedback for future Days to look back at...

Anyway, now I should say, that however I appreciate Boro's effort, I must say something strikes me as false in that whole behavior (up to the "I forgot that Lommy voted" - for some reason, that struck me as false, I don't know why, but it just seems that way). Partially also I agree with Copper, why don't you also play this game, even though you have removed yourself (rather illogically) from the list (if it's meant to be for everyone, there is no need for making a "subjective" list if everyone is supposed to try it anyway).

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

But to me, the idea came. It really is not about saying something brilliant. It is about actually making an effort to say, or make people say something. I mean really, this has been one of the laziest Day Ones I have seen in WW, I really don't want to sound like Nog, it's all fun, we're waiting for Christmas, but if we are to lynch somebody...

Anyway, as for your list, well! That's actually not a bad idea for Day 1. Even though it has gaps (for instance, like you said, my place would be to say why not me but sally - then obviously I would say "she hasn't been around at all", which pretty much is an undisputable argument), it's a nice one. It'd have been even better if you had posted something like that half a Day ago and not two hours before DL (or how much exactly it is)... though it is true that it might give some good info even in the upcoming few hours, and also feedback for future Days to look back at...

Anyway, now I should say, that however I appreciate Boro's effort, I must say something strikes me as false in that whole behavior (up to the "I forgot that Lommy voted" - for some reason, that struck me as false, I don't know why, but it just seems that way). Partially also I agree with Copper, why don't you also play this game, even though you have removed yourself (rather illogically) from the list (if it's meant to be for everyone, there is no need for making a "subjective" list if everyone is supposed to try it anyway).

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

Hey now, I'm clearly making an effort here, don't criticize the time when I finally think of something...criticize the suspiciosness or unsuspicionsess of the effort.

Well, I had just asked Lommy to tell me why I should vote for you instead of her if the vote was tied. But then realized she likely would not be answering that today since she voted...ergo I forgot she had.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Morsul

All right, but that snowman will have to have a hat of their own. This one's taken!
Not sure why... but read this in a dixie southern woman's voice and it was Hilarious

It does!

Originally Posted by Legate

So otherwise, as for more practical questions... maybe one thing that should be cleared about the rules (maybe the Moddess should actually answer this, if she happens to be reading?), the Cobbler does count in the tally as innocent or as Wolf?

I think there's been.... oh, maybe one game ever where the Cobbler counted as a wolf. (Maybe I'm wrong, as we're now up to WWC, so probably pretty much anything you could think of has happened by now.) But still– it would be such an exceptional thing I'm wondering why you feel the need to ask at all. It's like asking, "Can the Ranger kill people?"

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy: Shared reindeer language interpretations with us, and suggested through that that Boromir is a hooved wolf. Could be nothing but a joke. Could be an opportunistic Seer trying to hide an accusation, but probably isn't. Could be a wolf or Cobbler trying to look a little Seer-ish.

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

EDIT:X'd with Coppermirror.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

Very sure, thank you. But you commenting on that and trying to make it look like a signal does give me something extra to analyse about whether or not you're the Cobbler or a wolf, given that the gist of my comment settled on it being more likely that your statement was a Cobbler or wolf sign. Granted, I haven't suspected you a huge amount yet.

Edit: cross-posted with Legate and G55.

[Inziladun]

Right, to go on with Boro's idea, why should someone vote Boro over me? Hm. Honestly, I've got nothing. He's been quite a bit more active, with substantial posts. I can't really come up with anything, except that I'm not evil. I'm sure that's a great help.

x/d with Coppermirror

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think there's been.... oh, maybe one game ever where the Cobbler counted as a wolf. (Maybe I'm wrong, as we're now up to WWC, so probably pretty much anything you could think of has happened by now.) But still– it would be such an exceptional thing I'm wondering why you feel the need to ask at all. It's like asking, "Can the Ranger kill people?"

Really? Maybe it's that I am used to every Mod pointing that out, because basically in each game with a Cobbler I have played it was specified. Though when I think about it, you might be right. Nonetheless, I haven't been playing for who knows how long and well, who knows what house-rules you have come up with meanwhile...

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

EDIT:X'd with Coppermirror.

Hmm. Actually interesting spot, somehow I missed that. Though the end of the sentence reverses it a bit ("could be Wolf pretending to be Seer" seems more as if Cop was basically thinking about it as a whole), but still, an innocent villager should be very careful about mentioning such things.

EDIT: x-ed since my last, and soon to vote, ugh, the clock!