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Pervinca Took · 03-10-2013, 12:38 PM

Celebrindal?

Contains "land" and "ele" (star). Not sure about "thank you," unless it is celebrate minus rate - if you rate someone you appreciate them (as you do if you celebrate them).

Mithalwen · 03-10-2013, 01:08 PM

Hurray. It is Celebrindal but you aren' t right on the reasoning quite.

Star was celebrity which lost the initial letters of thank you, t and y to leave celebri.

Land of course turns into ndal.

Pervinca Took · 03-10-2013, 01:27 PM

Very clever. I suppose the brilliance of Tolkien's starry universe can blind one to more tawdry things like celebrity.

Here we go, then:

Red hip mutates in the woods, although surrounded by nothing.

Mithalwen · 03-10-2013, 03:08 PM

Yes, the pedant in me feels that celebrity like personality is something one may have rather than be..ans in retrospect I realised that it may have been harder for those who, pronounce elvish correctly ...and while I know it is keleb I still mentally read seleb a lot of the time...

Morsul the Dark · 03-10-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Very clever. I suppose the brilliance of Tolkien's starry universe can blind one to more tawdry things like celebrity.

Here we go, then:

Red hip mutates in the woods, although surrounded by nothing.

What in the.....

I'm having flashback to Saucepanman...

Mutates could indicate an anagram...
I wonder if "Although surrounded by nothing" could be the straight clue working from that it could be an island or the void... something to that effect...

Mithalwen · 03-10-2013, 03:49 PM

I wish he would come back. I hope I won't be the one to pass his post count.

Pervinca Took · 03-10-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

What in the.....

I'm having flashback to Saucepanman...

Mutates could indicate an anagram...
I wonder if "Although surrounded by nothing" could be the straight clue working from that it could be an island or the void... something to that effect...

1. You're right about "mutates."
2. "Surrounded by nothing" isn't the straight clue.

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Yes, the pedant in me feels that celebrity like personality is something one may have rather than be..ans in retrospect I realised that it may have been harder for those who, pronounce elvish correctly ...and while I know it is keleb I still mentally read seleb a lot of the time...

It wasn't that. It just didn't occur to me that it might be a name used together with the original name. Names like Turambar, Serinde, Celebrindal and Felagund I kind of think of almost as non-hereditary surnames, although of course they're not. I was looking for a name you only ever see on its own - like Galadriel, who is never called Nerwen Galadriel.

And I meant that stars of the twinkling in the sky variety feature so much in Tolkien - linguistically, literally, in heraldry, in terms of there being names for individual ones, etc - that I went looking in all those places and it didn't occur to me to think of that particular meaning of star.

That's why I'm not very good at cryptic crosswords, even though I like them so much.

Mithalwen · 03-10-2013, 05:11 PM

Yes I realised that the other kind of star was more likely and nearly pointed out that it was polysemic. But since the straight clue and anagram had been identified quickly I thought with the benefit of knowing the answer!that itvwoukd come quickly. I just think I can't judge difficulty.

Morsul the Dark · 03-12-2013, 09:12 AM

Ok so... Neldorath is a possibility...

Eldor Red Ol' ....Ol' as in sly Ol' dog a "hip" guy(Stretched that one)

Nath(Could be nothing in another language I doubt it though....)

And it's a forest (In the woods)

So in conclusion I'm wrong...

Morsul the Dark · 03-18-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Red hip mutates in the woods, although surrounded by nothing.

Niphredil

Red hip= iphred Nil is nothing
A winter flower

Pervinca Took · 03-19-2013, 12:33 PM

Correct! Over to you.

Morsul the Dark · 03-19-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Correct! Over to you.

to be fair I only got it after you mentioned plants I was going through all the ents I could find.

give me an houre or so

Pervinca Took · 03-19-2013, 01:00 PM

"Red hip" was also a kind of hint towards it being a plant/flower - because you get hips and haws in a wood, and they're often red.

Well done anyway!

03-10-2013, 12:38 PM	#1
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Celebrindal? Contains "land" and "ele" (star). Not sure about "thank you," unless it is celebrate minus rate - if you rate someone you appreciate them (as you do if you celebrate them). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 03-10-2013 at 12:42 PM.

03-10-2013, 01:08 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Hurray. It is Celebrindal but you aren' t right on the reasoning quite. Star was celebrity which lost the initial letters of thank you, t and y to leave celebri. Land of course turns into ndal. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-10-2013, 01:27 PM	#3
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Very clever. I suppose the brilliance of Tolkien's starry universe can blind one to more tawdry things like celebrity. Here we go, then: Red hip mutates in the woods, although surrounded by nothing. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-10-2013, 03:08 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes, the pedant in me feels that celebrity like personality is something one may have rather than be..ans in retrospect I realised that it may have been harder for those who, pronounce elvish correctly ...and while I know it is keleb I still mentally read seleb a lot of the time... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-10-2013, 03:49 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I wish he would come back. I hope I won't be the one to pass his post count. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-10-2013, 05:11 PM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes I realised that the other kind of star was more likely and nearly pointed out that it was polysemic. But since the straight clue and anagram had been identified quickly I thought with the benefit of knowing the answer!that itvwoukd come quickly. I just think I can't judge difficulty. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-12-2013, 09:12 AM	#9
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Ok so... Neldorath is a possibility... Eldor Red Ol' ....Ol' as in sly Ol' dog a "hip" guy(Stretched that one) Nath(Could be nothing in another language I doubt it though....) And it's a forest (In the woods) So in conclusion I'm wrong... __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

03-19-2013, 12:33 PM	#11
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Correct! Over to you. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-19-2013, 01:00 PM	#13
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	"Red hip" was also a kind of hint towards it being a plant/flower - because you get hips and haws in a wood, and they're often red. Well done anyway! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."