WW CVI: Tol-in-Westeros Game Thread

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Even if there was confirmation, though, the hunter would be crazy to reveal now, considering how useful he could be late in the game. All we would gain is one kill-less Night, since the Night's Watch would take of him, but the next Night he'd be bread fried in bacon grease.

Agree with Mac here.

It's been a while since I played, but are we still doing the "Day One is useless at the time!" "No it's not!" debate that used to define the beginning of games?

Or are the usual tricks to avoid it so clichéd that they become suspicious, twice over?

Like Lommy's (of course) and Boro's decidely leonine behaviour thus far? Hmmm?

String them up!

[Encaitare]

Here are the votes from yesterDay, including notes of who cross-voted with whom.

Greenie --> Kitanna
Boromir --> Lommy
Gil-Galad --> Lommy (2)
Inziladun --> Kitanna (2)
Encai --> Kitanna (3) *cross-posted with 3 previous votes*
Wyth --> Kitanna (4) *cross-posted with 4 previous votes*
Copper --> Kitanna (5) *cross-posted with 1 previous vote*
Kitanna --> Encai
Loslote --> Kitanna (6) *cross-posted with 3 previous votes*
Lommy --> Kitanna (7) *cross-posted with 2 previous votes*
Sally --> Lommy (3)
Nogrod --> Kitanna (8)
Rikae --> Encai (2) *cross-posted with 8 previous votes*
Eomer --> Boromir

Did not vote: Eonwe

[Encaitare]

The Lions' choice to kill Gil-Galad first struck me as a "safe" kill. Gil had been quietish and wasn't under much suspicion. But now I'm seeing that Gil was one of the only 3 to vote for Lommy. If the wolves were looking for a "safe" kill, they could have chosen one of the many voters on the Kitwagon.

New theory: Lommy received the second-highest number of votes yesterday. If she is a Lion, it could be that she and her fellow Lion made a risky choice to kill Gil, and hope the inn's guests wouldn't think she'd kill one of the three who voted for her.

As for the Lovers' choice to kill Coppermirror, there are three possibilities:
1. They are trying to lie low (like their kill of Nerwen might indicate)
2. They got a Lionish vibe from Cop (maybe they suspected a Lion under the radar)
3. They have chosen to side with the Lions (either for now or permanently, seems unlikely, but always possible)

The whole thing with Sally completely baffles me, and I hope she is here toDay to explain herself.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Encaitare

New theory: Lommy received the second-highest number of votes yesterday. If she is a Lion, it could be that she and her fellow Lion made a risky choice to kill Gil, and hope the inn's guests wouldn't think she'd kill one of the three who voted for her.

It's not impossible, but as you said there were safer targets a LommyLion could have pushed for.

Originally Posted by Encaitare

As for the Lovers' choice to kill Coppermirror, there are three possibilities:
1. They are trying to lie low (like their kill of Nerwen might indicate)
2. They got a Lionish vibe from Cop (maybe they suspected a Lion under the radar)
3. They have chosen to side with the Lions (either for now or permanently, seems unlikely, but always possible)

Numbers-wise it makes sense still for the Lovers to side with the village. Did they think Cop was a Lion who'd been lying low? She'd been fairly under the radar and uncontroversial.

Originally Posted by Encaitare

The whole thing with Sally completely baffles me, and I hope she is here toDay to explain herself.

Who's the more odd, Sally or Boro?

[Encaitare]

Originally Posted by Inzil

Numbers-wise it makes sense still for the Lovers to side with the village. Did they think Cop was a Lion who'd been lying low? She'd been fairly under the radar and uncontroversial.

Yes, numbers-wise it does, so I hope they are still on our side. Either they thought Cop was a very stealthy Lion, or they were going for a "safe" kill. Maybe as more Ordos get killed, the Lovers are getting nervous about both surviving to the end.

Who's the more odd, Sally or Boro?

Seriously. I would feel a lot better about his quietness if he wasn't acting so strange about it. Boro, where the heck are you?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Encaitare

Seriously. I would feel a lot better about his quietness if he wasn't acting so strange about it. Boro, where the heck are you?

Well, yesterDay he wasn't quiet but rather quite all over the place. Since Kitanna turned out to be innocent, he would look quite wolvish to me, except I'm not sure if wolf-Boro would make such a show of himself.

Originally Posted by Encai

Either they thought Cop was a very stealthy Lion, or they were going for a "safe" kill. Maybe as more Ordos get killed, the Lovers are getting nervous about both surviving to the end.

The only thing that stands out to me is that Cop is quite a similar kill choice to Nerwen - someone posting more analysis than opinions and not generally very suspected. Maybe they're multi-tasking the same way I was multi-tasking as a seer last game: go for more easily readable wolf suspects during the Day, for more difficultly readable possible wolves at Night.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Encaitare

Seriously. I would feel a lot better about his quietness if he wasn't acting so strange about it. Boro, where the heck are you?

As vexing as he's been at times, try as I might I can't see a BoroLion acting the way his has. Why draw such attention to himself? Granted, it could an evil scheme on the part of him and his partner, but it still seems awfully reckless.

x/d with Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Encaitare

The Lions' choice to kill Gil-Galad first struck me as a "safe" kill. Gil had been quietish and wasn't under much suspicion. But now I'm seeing that Gil was one of the only 3 to vote for Lommy. If the wolves were looking for a "safe" kill, they could have chosen one of the many voters on the Kitwagon.

My theory is that Gil was generally unsuspected and quiet, so a good kill. Less chaotic than he used to be, so maybe even a gifted. Obviously the only trace in his posting leading to an innocent wouldn't have been something bad in their eyes either, and Encai being so quick to grasp at that trail doesn't make her look very good to me. Really, if I was a wolf, I'd have killed almost anyone but Gil.

[Encaitare]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

My theory is that Gil was generally unsuspected and quiet, so a good kill. Less chaotic than he used to be, so maybe even a gifted. Obviously the only trace in his posting leading to an innocent wouldn't have been something bad in their eyes either, and Encai being so quick to grasp at that trail doesn't make her look very good to me. Really, if I was a wolf, I'd have killed almost anyone but Gil.

A fair point. I haven't played in so long that I don't have a solid grasp of anyone's playing style anymore, but if you say he's acting different than usual, the Lions may very well have thought he was a gifted.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Well, yesterDay he wasn't quiet but rather quite all over the place. Since Kitanna turned out to be innocent, he would look quite wolvish to me, except I'm not sure if wolf-Boro would make such a show of himself.

The whole "vanishing" act is getting rather old...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I want someone, or more than one person, to explain in just a few sentences why Kitanna was suddenly top suspect yesterday. That whole situation was strange to me. I recall someone (was it Nogrod?) claiming that her death would give us answers, or at least better info. I'm not sure why. Sure, Kit always has a slightly sneaky style of play, but what does that matter?

That's mostly what I'm interested in today. I find the night-kills to be of limited interest since the Seer is no longer here.

Links to Mac are what's gonna catch us lions.

Sally and Boro better have explanations for their weirdness.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Day 1: Gil voted for Boro. No vote from Cop.
Day 2: Cop voted for Eomer (me). Gil voted Mac.
Day 3: Gil voted Lommy. Cop voted Kit.

Make of that what you will.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I want someone, or more than one person, to explain in just a few sentences why Kitanna was suddenly top suspect yesterday. That whole situation was strange to me. I recall someone (was it Nogrod?) claiming that her death would give us answers, or at least better info. I'm not sure why. Sure, Kit always has a slightly sneaky style of play, but what does that matter?

For me it was her safe-looking votes, coupled with the appearance that she seemed to be one of the more quiet ones.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I find the night-kills to be of limited interest since the Seer is no longer here.

Well, they might give us a window into what the Lions and Bear are looking for, but you're right in that there's limited value there.

x/d with Eomer x 2

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I want someone, or more than one person, to explain in just a few sentences why Kitanna was suddenly top suspect yesterday. That whole situation was strange to me.

If not a red flag, then at least an orange one here.

No innocent knew yesterDay that Kit is as innocent. Instead there were multiple reasons why it looked she was a pretty decent candidate for being in cahoots with MacLion. So the kind of smug "would someone tell me why" -attitude kind of jumps out... I mean yes, you can make a comment if you have strongly disagreed with others about a mass-lynch the earlier Day (especially if you had expressed your reasons openly beforehand when the end-result was not known) and if you have showed some reasons why you were correct the Day before, you might even pressure others to explain why they thought their reasons were better than yours - the Day before.

And in that case, you might look forwards for others to have some respect for your sharpness... But this case looks nothing like that. On the contrary. A wolf did know already yesterDay Kit was not one of them so a wolf could afford the smugness.

That is not to say that no lion voted for Kitanna. It is possible, if not probable at least one of them did as it would have been a nice and easy place to hide.

But I'd quess they'd both not do that. Let's call that an educated hunch (it's nothing more - but having been a wolf on several games I know they normally, on average, wish to act a bit differently).


An other thing that caught my eye toDay was Encai and her interpretations... I'll be back with them later as I see people have been posting.