WW CVII: Restless Nights in Sleepy Hollow - Game Thread

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Because if seers mean anything at all, Inzil is innocent, and therefore a wrong vote from him would have doomed us already. Because if Inzil is right, we'll be in the same situation toMorrow, and I don't wish to create more confusion.
There is no innocent reason to wait around hoping for something better (as you apparently did).

Inzil being innocent doesn't necessarily translate to Inzil being right. Yes, he did end up voting for a wolf, but there was no way to be 100% certain at the time. Again, there were virtually no actual arguments for lynching Sally yesterday - she was pretty much voted for because Inzil picked her.

I also don't think there was any "confusion" created by me not hopping on the bandwagon and voting Sally immediately. In fact, I was the only person besides Sally herself that didn't vote for her, so yesterday's verdict was pretty well locked in fairly early.

And I'll be honest - I'm not really certain where those lasts posts of yours came from, about me not knowing the situation? I was perfectly aware that we'd still be at lynch-or-lose even if Inzil was right - I'm not really sure how that was relevant.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Wilwa

So I would think the wolves would have wanted to wait at least a little bit to see if anyone else would vote for an innocent so that they could just jump on board. As soon as Sally voted for Inzil they would have just needed one ordo to go alone with that and the other 2 wolves could have jumped on. Rikae therefore looks really good here, I think a wolf would have waited until at least 2 or 3 people had voted before jumping on.

I actually want to come back to this. In most cases, I'd buy this... but Sally voted Inzil who was voted Most Likely To Be Dreamt Innocent. I don't see anyone innocent voting for him over Sally yesterday - plus I've already talked about the ramifications of sacrificing a wolf yesterday, especially in light of Inzil being the first to vote.

Honestly, this whole post sort of looks like Wilwa is in a rush to exonerate Rikae and condemn me... and her reasoning sort of falls flat in both cases.

[wilwarin538]

Shasta, there was confusion created by you not voting Sally, because she turned out to be a wolf. The majority of us agreed to follow Inzil's vote, whatever it was, because all voting the same was better than voting all over the place. Your reluctance to follow this plan, pretty much our only logical option, is suspect. The confusion comes because now it is hard to tell whether you are a wolf who didn't want to vote their fellow, or an innocent who simply didn't understand the importance of the village sticking together. Even if your vote ended up not influencing anything, it still creates a confusing situation. When I suggested the plan I even stated that anyone who didn't follow it would look bad later.

And I'm not exonerating Rikae, I just think her behavior looks more innocent, she stated yesterday what I just did, that you voting differently would cause an issue today if Sally was guilty, maybe it was a wolf preemptively drawing suspicion to you, but it looked more like an innocent who was becoming aware of the issue we'd have to deal with today.

[Rikae]

I'm here momentarily, but I'm afraid I can't be much help toDay - Mac's birthday stuff. I would have liked to analyze everyone's interactions with Sally, but I'm not likely to get the chance.

However, I do want to try and clear this up:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Inzil being innocent doesn't necessarily translate to Inzil being right.

Of course it doesn't. But Inzil being innocent would mean that if he (or any other ordo) was wrong, the game would have been over. The wolves could have piled on and decided the lynch.

But I strongly suspect you were aware of that, which is why you waited around so long yourself. You even just mentioned it

Originally Posted by Shasta

we were always going to be in the position of "if an innocent votes an innocent, we lose"

- so why are you feigning ignorance of that whenever you talk about my vote?

[wilwarin538]

I'm only going to be around for another hour or so, at that point I will have to vote. Still not sure for whom. Lots of pressure on whoever votes first, but I'm not going to be able to come back later. Going to look at Sally's posts quickly.

[wilwarin538]

So Sally expressed suspicion specifically at some point on both Rikae and I. I did not see her really ever mention much about Greenie, perhaps that was on purpose. But Nerwen and Shasta.....

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Meanwhile, my Nerwen radar is saying....nothing, which is distinctly unsettling. In my experience, my Nerwen radar always gives off the exact opposite impression, which is to say that I suspect her when she's innocent (especially when she's gifted) and ignore her when she's evil. I'd forgotten she was playing until I came across one of her posts, and I'll also note that she's not done nearly as much saccharine banter with Shasta as I would expect (though perhaps that's due to his own lack of participation?). I don't feel comfortable voting her toDay based solely on this, but it's something I must keep an eye on.

This sort of feels like possible wolf-on-wolf. She even says she tends to ignore her when she's evil and that she forgot she was playing (and mentions Shasta in this thought) I think Greenie even pointed out a post by Nerwen yesterday that had a similar wolf-on-wolf feel towards Sally.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Suddenly finding my votes for you incredibly suspicious when only hours ago[/URL] you found Nerwen and Shasta the best wolf candidates based on voting trends? Why change your position to me? Could it be that one (or both, which....unlikely) of them is your packmate?

This one is a bit of a stretch, I'm admitting, but notice the part I bolder, just an interesting choice of wording, why is it unlikely they are both wolves? Perhaps because they are?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Actually, I've just noticed that both Dun and Rikae say Nerwen and Shasta look fishiest.

Once again putting their names together, along with suspecting Dun and Rikae.

So, three examples of Sally mentioning both Shasta and Nerwen together and not throwing any suspicion their way, while she did suspect Rikae and I. Based on Sally's posts, and also with the fact that Shasta did not vote for her and Nerwen voted for her much later, I'm leaning towards these two as her pack-mates.

[Nerwen]

So… just got in and, from a skim of the thread, I see there’s this meme building up that my vote, or the placement thereof, was very, very wicked.

Let me point out that my vote was actually the one that decided the lynch.

As for why I delayed voting: I wanted to see what would happen. If we all voted at once we’d either have lost (had Sally been innocent) or got *a* wolf but had nothing further to go on, since all wolves would have been able to hide in the general Sallywaggon. As it is, I believe Shasta may have given himself away- will take a closer look at him shortly.

Apart from that, it was also a pride-thing– I don’t like blindly following another’s vote and I wanted satisfy myself that there were, actually, legitimate grounds for suspecting Sally.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

So, three examples of Sally mentioning both Shasta and Nerwen together and not throwing any suspicion their way, while she did suspect Rikae and I. Based on Sally's posts, and also with the fact that Shasta did not vote for her and Nerwen voted for her much later, I'm leaning towards these two as her pack-mates.

Come on, Wilwa, you know perfectly well that wolves like pairing up packmate + innocent when they talk about people. I mean, it’s elementary wolfing technique, but still effective in that it tends to create a link between the players in the public mind– something they *don’t* want to happen with two packmates.

[wilwarin538]

OK, well I'm just going to go for it. I have to sleep so badly and will not be up in time for DL, and I don't want to not vote.

I suggest to the other two innocents in the group to try and maybe wait a bit before voting. If my vote is for an innocent than the wolves will jump right on and win, but if they are guilty the wolves are either going to immediately come on and vote differently or will wait until closer to DL to vote, hoping someone votes differently from me. Basically, if you two innocents notice that no one else is voting immediately after me take that as I sign that I got lucky and vote the same as me. If I'm wrong, we lost and I'm very sorry!

++Shasta

Good luck guys. I hope we get another Day.