Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Then again, the wolves will continue to use their influence to direct attention away from their fellows, dead even more than alive. So when a dead person is revealed to be a predator, I vote for taking a very close look at the people who tried to convince the Dead to scry somebody else instead.

Sure, that's reasonable opinion.

And also interesting find, Lalaith, about the possible hint - I think also it might be about the unknown role (although I think we are left to speculate for now, hopefully perhaps more will follow?). Anyway, shows how for instance, I assume more people, like me, did not bother to read the narration very deeply...

The promised list coming soon.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

GREEN ZONE
Nerwen - no change from yesterDay, reasonable, no trouble and all
Lommy - more or less likewise
Mith - certainly no Wolfy vibes, seems like her innocent self

YELLOW ZONE
Macalaure - see the end of my post above, also his vote yesterDay was of the type easily cast by a Wolf (of course if we knew the roles of the lynchees, it would be easier to make more conclusions based on this, e.g. if that was a save attempt or whatever. But it was a bandwagon in any case and Mac was in the thick of it.)
Rikae - kind of a similar case, has certainly commited and reasonable posts; it is true she could totally be following some very well-thought sneaky hidden agenda with them. But I do not have enough that would make me cast a vote for her so far.
Lalaith - toDay pretty decent, and the point about the possible mention of a hidden role was good; of course a Wolf could try to ask info from the village as well, but still, makes me think better of her
Morm - there was the last post, but otherwise seems fairly good and reasonable and all
McCaber - mostly it's about the vote: he is the same case as Mac, a vote placement that would be typical for a Wolf on a wagon.
Nilp - I still have the "fishy-fishy" feel from his posts, but it really isn't anything concrete.
Sally - I don't find her suspicious, the stuff morm also pointed out was weird, but not necessarily suspicious in my opinion.
shasta - at times there's been a bit of "meh", but generally not Wolfy-looking.
Form - I have been convinced by the idea that a Wolf wouldn't self-vote, although I am kind of beginning to waver, also with the possibilities that the following wagons were attempt to save him. I am still not very sure I believe that would be the way for the Wolves to behave, though. In any case, I need to Form a better opinion on him (ho, ho, ho).
Eomer - I need to Eomer a better opinion on him (*embarassed cough*). There is just quite little for me to go with.

ORANGE ZONE
Boro - I don't know. He is behaving very... unconspicuously in this game? A bit too noncommital, which worries me.
Firefoot - see also my post above. Could just as well be in the yellow zone though, it is more a matter of distinction, I think it would be nice to reread the posts etc to get better opinion, but that's about it.
Loslote - I didn't like the sorta defensive attitude adopted in her reaction to morm's reaction to sally.
Aganzir - I am wary of her, but to be honest not to any large extent. It is also partly the traditional anti-Aganzir precaution, because every time I give her a pass, then she is guilty. But just for the record, if one of the packs has her and Greenie, then shame on you, Kuru, because that's like the oldest pack in the book. (If it was her and Lommy yesterDay doing a wolf-on-wolf show, though, then that's at least new trick in the book.)

RED ZONE
Curiously enough it seems the only file in this zone seems to be A Little Green, as I stated above: the very happy, nice attitude, combined with noncommital posts which at the same time include subtle nudges a la "the exchange between sally and morm is suspicious, just so that you know, village, but I didn't say anything".

GREY ZONE aka effective no-shows
Gwath
Kath
(I will become a poet.)

EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

About the secret role. My first thought was that the itching may refer to a cursed villager. But now that people mention the Paths of the Dead, maybe it is another person who can go to the dead thread (under certain circumstances?) and maybe bring someone back with him?

That would be really nice. Because at least as far as I can tell, the Dead thread is a very nice feature, but not really of much help to us here, and the way to get any info about roles in this game gets close to zero.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Ooooh! Take heed, folks, my dear fellow wolf Macalaure is trying to bus me!

Why can I totally imagine this "joke" not really being a joke at all. Honestly!

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Oh, one more thing before I go. I'm still chewing over that narration... the 'itch' mentioned - could it be linked to Pippin and the palantir? Remember Gandalf saying to him "If you feel an itch in your palms again, tell me of it!"
Kuru spoke of the role having vulnerabilities, and indeed, looking into the palantir was dangerous...
Anyway, I'm a fine one for going on about others chasing red herrings...I think I need to stop this and go to bed....

So, a Seer who... dies upon use? Or somesuch? (Actually, that would be pretty thematic.) Well, like I said, hopefully the narrations might keep giving us more?

Anyway... probably going to vote and go to sleep now, too. At least should.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++Greenie

For that matter, I find it interesting literally nobody shares this suspicion. Does it even cross your mind, folks? Granted, we are a big village (still) and there is a lot to choose from, of course, and many people seem to be suspicious a lot of certain people, but Greenie figures there very seldom, or in practically not at all.

And I really think toMorrow we could employ some scheme of trying to communicate between the Dead thread and our thread via the extra vote or whatever. Because at least so far it seems to me, it is really difficult to get any certainities here. I am really beginning to consider that the Wolves did get rid of the phantom because however overinflated his scheme was, it might have helped the village to get some advantage.

Anyway, good Night.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

For that matter, I find it interesting literally nobody shares this suspicion.

I kind of do, for similar reasons as you (as I'm writing on my miserable failure of a list that just can't finish itself).

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

For that matter, I find it interesting literally nobody shares this suspicion. Does it even cross your mind, folks? Granted, we are a big village (still) and there is a lot to choose from, of course, and many people seem to be suspicious a lot of certain people, but Greenie figures there very seldom, or in practically not at all.

I said something about it, I think, but between her and Agan I voted for the one I felt was worse. Still, having two wolfpacks around means that the interaction could be hostile on both sides.

I don't have a lot of time toDay, and things have been far too hectic on my end, but I believe I have enough to go on to vote again.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

On Lottie

#22 - First real post, where Lottie comes out as fairly anti-tie as regards the Day 1 lynch.

#28 - Warns against thinking a false Seer-reveal by the wolves is impossible, and also warns against trusting the dead thread implicitly. This second point isn't one I disagree with, necessarily, because everything she mentions is possible -

Originally Posted by Lottie

I honestly had not thought of this, and it sounds really useful, but I am concerned about trusting the Dead Thread so much - what if they skew the vote? I don't think it's super likely, but all it would take is one wrong vote on the part of the Dead - maybe because of a wolf majority, maybe because of a lack of participation from the dead ordos, maybe from a misled and mistaken Dead - to deceive the whole village for, potentially, the rest of the game.

- but I'm not certain it's as dire a possibility. If we set up a complicated system for the dead to tell us if X or Y is innocent or wolvish, then it becomes more of an issue, but I'm not sure that who receives the dead thread vote is going to be... as big a deal, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It just came off as oddly doom-and-gloom for my tastes. I suppose if I were looking at it through wolf-colored glasses then it could be a Lottiewolf laying the groundwork to discredit the information coming from the dead thread because she knows it's going to be primarily innocent-based, but that's a bit of a reach.

#48 - Some math that's slightly in favor of lynching on Day 1 (or, rather, against not lynching Day 1 for reasons of having the wolves make the first move.)

#54 - More about not wanting to tie the vote, especially before the Dead thread becomes active. Also mentions that not giving the dead the power to dictate the lynch, but rather setting up a system through which they can communicate information to us, is probably the best solution. There's really nothing I disagree with here.

#196 - Most suspicious of Nog for being "conciliatory". This is really her first big suspicion of the day, and while I myself voted Nog I can't really wrap my head around this reasoning -

Originally Posted by Lottie

Honestly, the person who jumped out at me most was Nog, who seemed to be pretty conciliatory despite being firmly planted on one side of the biggest debate of the Day.

Some help understanding this would be appreciated, because the way I read it I don't really find it that suspicious.

#202 - Would like to vote for Nog if there's a chance he'll be lynched, but is willing to vote Agan to ensure a lynch. I don't really find this that bad; I'd probably have done the same (sorry, Agan! )

#205 - Cautions Eomer against dismissing someone just because they're loud on the first day.

#220 - Votes Nog. It's clear now that she did cross with Phantom, so at the time it's assumed she was placing the second vote on Nog. It's worth noting that there was indeed a big upswing in support for voting Nog at this time; Eomer, Phantom, Sally, and myself had mentioned possibly voting for him at this point.

Next day...

#250 - Defends Sally against Morm, regarding Sally's theory on a Runewolf being picked off last night. On rereading, it does seem a bit jumpy of Morm to come out so strongly against Sally there. I may have to look at him next, time permitting. Regarding Lottie herself, she says she's suspicious of Morm here. Nothing really jumps out at me.

#260 - Speculates that it's not morm himself that's implicated by Rune being killed, but rather possibly Greenie or Form. Links Rune and morm by way of playstyle during the first day, which is an interesting connection to make; I'm not yet how relevant it is, but it's certainly one perspective.

#293 - This point -

Originally Posted by Lottie

There are two reasons why a wolf pack might decide to kill someone in this game: a) they think the person is a Gifted, and b) they think the person was a member of the other pack - and yes, in that order, I fully acknowledge that.

- is a pretty good one, in my opinion, although I'm always a bit iffy about hard and fast rules about what wolves will and will not do in a given situation if one is not secretly a wolf themselves (). However, I tend to agree with what she says here. She also thinks here that Phantom biting the bullet last night means that it's likely neither wolfpack had a solid lead on a gifted last night; honestly I dunno if that's the case. That bit is an awful lot of speculation.

This bit, though -

Originally Posted by Lottie

The fact that you (morm) were so quick to jump down Sally's throat for suggesting it and are so confident now about what the wolves are thinking

- strikes me as a bit hypocritical, though. Weren't you just talking in rather certain terms about why the wolves would make any particular kill? I can't decide if Lottie actually, innocently suspects Morm for this or if she's reaching for any reason to for its own sake.

#296 - Votes morm.



Thoughts:

Throughout most of this readthrough I was thinking Lottie looked pretty innocent. It wasn't until I got down to the end where I noticed a discrepancy and began to second-guess myself where she's concerned. However, I feel uncomfortable voting for her since she's already said she likely won't be back today, and I could use some clarification on one or two things she's said, so I won't necessarily be voting for her today.

Now to catch up on what's happened while I was typing that...

[Boromir88]

I'm basically at a loss. There's no reference point, because I don't know anything about anyone. I'm just waiting to find out if the Dead will oblige with revealing Nogrod's role, and then DAY 3 getting some scheme together to relay that information.

I wouldn't want to lynch Rikae, Shasta, Lommy, or Legate today. I'm getting innocent vibes on top of they've been doing more than me so far. I'm afraid I'm pretty useless without a focal point and without knowing anything about the Dead.

Of those with votes, I could go for any of them, in the sense I don't feel anything wrong or dreadful if Agan, Mac, Greenie, morm, or Lottie were lynched. I could put sally in this group too, because I just haven't found anything trustworthy about them. Granted, I wouldn't trust anyone in that group, and untrustworthy doesn't necessarily mean wolvish. It just means they (like how I usually am) are usually up to something, and whether that's good or bad I have no idea.

How about Gwath? If he doesn't vote today is he mod-fired. And I know Kath voted yesterday but she's MIA today.

[Firefoot]

I apologize if I seem wishy-washy; the real problem is that I just don't have enough time to dig through the massive number of posts in this thread to make good analyses, but I don't want to be absent either, so I've mostly just been posting impressions. I have some time tonight to spend on it - we'll see how useful it is, though. My WW muscles are rusty and as I look for patterns in posts I just feel lost without any concrete knowledge of the identities of the dead...

I'm still not convinced of Agan's guilt, though the last minute rush to save her (?) and lynch Nog does bother me (this is more suspicious to me than anything Agan herself has done).

[mormegil]

++Mac

I have some RL projects that need completing and then getting kids to bed and all. I may be back before the deadline but I'd like to make sure to get a vote in. Mac still doesn't sit right with me though he attempted to. He seems off. I'm still suspicious of Sally and Agan but more so of Mac. There are others on the list that are working their way up a bit i.e. Shasta and others that are going down i.e. Legate.