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Tuor's mistrust was probably... helped by the part where his wife the Seer said 'yeah, I've just had a vision of Cousin M throwing our baby in a fire, that's probably bad'. Idril really is the driving force for Good during the Fall of Gondolin, despite how little attention she gets. hS |
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I believe that she offered her kindness to him, him being an orphan and all, and that's where his love for her comes. He was emotionally stunted, and mistook familial love for romantic one.
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Oh look! A girl who's not my mother! Amazing! Awesome! I had no idea such a thing existed! What's this? A girl who's not my mother! And now I must pursue her, for This girl -- is not -- my motherrrrr! I think it'd be a big hit. (This is possibly unfair to Eol, who may actually have had a household of some kind. But frankly he deserves it.) I think I agree with your thought, though - it's the sort of thing that happens all the time even today. "She smiled at me - she must want to date me!" Quote:
Honourable mention has to go to Dior Eluchil, who killed Celegorm, thereby in part avenging the kidnapping of his mother years before. But it's implied that Dior had chosen Elven immortality, and... ... huh. Come to think of it, Dior was born to two mortal parents. When that happened to Elros' kids, they were just mortal by default. The evidence suggests, then, that the second King of Doriath may well have been a mortal Man, and his children only regained their immortal legacy through Nimloth their mother. So we can potentially add him to the list and make four. hS |
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Do you think Ulmo foresaw his treachery, and it was him that Ulmo/Tuor were warning Turgon against?
Re: Your question: Honestly, I think that only Turin and Tuor should count as having accomplished such a feat.
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Apart from the two of them, there were none.
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Do you think Ulmo foresaw his treachery, and it was him that Ulmo/Tuor were warning Turgon against?
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"Love not too well the work of thy hands and the devices of thy heart; and remember that the true hope of the Noldor lieth in the West, and cometh from the Sea." Quote:
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It's just an opinion I have on things. You're welcome to have a different one, of course.
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Dior is not one of the topics which interests me, so I never dug deeper on that.
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Do you think that Morgoth intended for Maeglin to die?
He made sure Maeglin was safe from his own forces, but he gave him no safety from the people of Gondolin. Meaning he might have anticipated that Maeglin would die either way, at the hands of his own allies no less. Of course, the question is: what did he hope to accomplish by having his own loyalist killed?
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![]() Did he keep Maeglin safe from his forces? Maeglin was safe, but he never left the city, and I don't remember him running into any Orcs or Balrogs in the FoG. It's entirely possible that if he'd encountered Gothmog, he would have been skewered even while declaring his loyalty to the Iron Crown. Like I say, this isn't an evidenced position, and I'm more than willing to shift it if you know of source text I've not considered. ![]() hS |
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There isn't evidence per se. Presumably, he gave Maeglin a token he was to show should he encounter any of Morgoth's troops, and they'd leave him alone in turn. But this is just a fan theory I stumbled across. People on another forum say that Maeglin was an agent of Morgoth, who harbored fear and hatred for all Eldar, Maeglin included. If we suppose this to be the case, then the question 'what did he hope to accomplish with that'? Also, you never answered my earlier question: Could Morgoth have counter-summoned Maeglin's spirit to do his bidding? Re: Dior: I thought about this, and I think he was immortal, which means there were three mortals who succeeded in slaying an Elda. (And no, Beren doesn't count, since he didn't actually succeed.)
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