Tol-in-Gaurhoth Junior

[Mithalwen]

I must agree with Mith here. As much as I think, that the game should be for those who really would like to participate and talk, then it's a fact, that those will die pretty soon... and that frustrates: you would like to play, but get killed during the night at least.



Well somone may go into a game committed - but particularly in the senior games posting a lot has been suspicious - I got myself (albeit justifiably) lynched on day one for that!!! In other games there is a limit if you are in incompatible timezones ... one day I would love to play a game when I can properly interact with Firefoot. Even when I was a wolf in another quiet game it was maddening that one of the people who was contributing most was logging off as I logged on :( . Of course being in a closer timezone to Nogrod was very nearly my undoing ... so I'll be careful what I wish for lest it comes true!

[Diamond18]

I’m starting recruitment now for WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go “Quack” In The Night (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12759)

I’ve set up the thread, with an introductory post to give you an idea of the concept. And, um, the kind of narration you can expect from me. :p

This game will have:

3 Wereducks
1 Owl (Seer)
1 Hawk (Hunter)

And, if there are enough players, possibly a Nightingale (Protector), Goose (Cobbler) or even something else. I am not expecting a high turn out though, so if I get 12 players I’ll be happy. I would toy with the idea of Lovebirds but that would need more than 15 players, so maybe sometime in the future. For now, I really only have the Owl and Hawk as definite gifteds.

I have some tricks up my sleeve, so this should prove to be a very interesting game.

A few things up front: I will not reveal the Owl/Seer until the end of the game. That means, if/when s/he dies, s/he will only be listed as a Villager. S/he is welcome to declare Owlness in the game, but it will not be verified by me. The Hawk/Hunter of course with be revealed by virtue of taking someone else down. The Owl will not be told who the Hawk/Hunter is, just that s/he is innocent. The same would go for any other possible gifteds. All will be revealed only at the end of the game.

As for start time, I suspect it will take a while to get enough players, so I’m setting my sights on after Farael’s game is completed (unless I’m surprised by a quick sign up) but before LMP’s game. I’d like to fit this in between the next two senior games. Especially since I’ve already signed up for LMP’s game.

When signing up, please name a species and an occupation/characterization for yourself. This village is anachronistic and of mixed-species. Hobbits, men, elves, dwarves, even “reformed orcs” are welcome, as are more modern occupations, if you so wish. Basically, it’s a going to be a crazy mixed up mumbled up shook up world (except for my Lola, Lo-lo-lo-lo-looolaaaaa *cough* sorry) and the characterizations should reflect that.

I’m really excited about this, and thoughts of how to play with the narration have been percolating for a few weeks, so I hope it’s infectious. ;)

[Anguirel]

Let me be the first to leap to your side, milady Took. Can I suggest as many special roles with amusing bird names as possible?

Mythomaniac as Lesser Spotted Warbler...?

As for me, I will be...a bird-catcher. Papagena papagena!

[Mithalwen]

Can I put myself down as a maybe dependent on wbhen it actually happens? The idea of playing with Ang in Zauberflotian mode is delightful .... but Ang ...*looks stern* are you up to date with work and revision ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

If it's not starting until some time next week at the earliest, you can count me in.

Occupation to follow ...

[mormegil]

What day do you actually plan on starting? If it is after the 19th I can play otherwise I will be travelling soon and will be unable to do participate.

[Diamond18]

I don't plan on it starting before the 19th, Morm. I shall be devoting most of my attention to the Senior game this week and by mid-week next week I'll see where things stand, both there and in sign up here.

What kind of bird-catcher will you be, Ang? (Elf, man, etc.)

[Valier]

I may be able to play by then, I have my last exam on the 22nd...I know it's a weekend...*sigh* But if it starts on the 23rd I can play....Put me down as a maybe Diamond and I will let you know.:)

[Nogrod]

If this game is starting next week, you might count me in too, with a series of question marks added. It all depends on the way Farael's game will be played out. After dropping after the first night in my last game, I'm kind of waiting for some real playing, not just watching from aside. :)

I just love your idea of a little bit mixed-up village with all the absurdities involved... I could be a dwarf, and a personal fitness instructor.

[The Saucepan Man]

I shall resist the temptation to be a pheasant plucker ( :rolleyes: ) and opt instead to be a "reformed" orc whose grotesque features and limited brain capacity are admirably suited to his chosen occupation as a scarecrow.

[Mithalwen]

I shall resist the temptation to be a pheasant plucker ( :rolleyes: ) and opt instead to be a "reformed" orc whose grotesque features and limited brain capacity are admirably suited to his chosen occupation as a scarecrow.

Coward - I was thinking of being a sagger-maker's bottom knocker
Here (http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/a.html) be other possibilities :D

[mormegil]

I would like to be an Elf and from that wonderful list that Mith provided I will be and Idleman. Both pompous and lazy.

[Diamond18]

Splendid, splendid, I must spend some more time on that website later, Mith. :D

So what we have now:

Anguriel the Baritone Bird Catcher
(?) Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
(?) Valier
(?) Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
(?) Kath
(?) Cailín
Roa Aoife the Batwoman
(?) Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven S-ranked Ninja


I'll set a tenative start date for the 23rd of April

[Kath]

Pop me in as a maybe would you Diamond? I'm more likely than not to sign up for real but I do need to check some dates first.

[Cailín]

The 23rd would be perfect for me. Could you put me on the maybe list as well, or are you tired of all the question marks? :o

[mormegil]

Pop me in as a maybe would you Diamond? I'm more likely than not to sign up for real but I do need to check some dates first.

I see that you are trying to keep up with the total games played but I still have you by one and will need to continue if I want to keep that edge ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm going to stick with human, and my occupation (this was seriously on the list) is a Batman. Well, Batwoman... :D

[Kath]

I see that you are trying to keep up with the total games played but I still have you by one and will need to continue if I want to keep that edge
Yes I know! Dratted man :rolleyes: I'm going to get further behind due to modding as well!

[Diamond18]

I like question marks. They're pretty. :D

Batman: Army officers' servant - still current

Interesting... not what I expected though. ;)

I've updated the list.

[Anguirel]

Oh and incidentally, I will be a baritone bird-catcher... that's enough of a race as opera roles go...

[Mithalwen]

Unfortunately the voice type has a higher than usual likelihood of being killed.

My father had a batman when he was in the army - ok that was a long time ago but ... well I guess it made us laugh when we were little ...

[Mithalwen]

Unfortunately the voice type has a higher than usual likelihood of being killed.

My father had a batman when he was in the army - ok that was a long time ago but ... well I guess it made us laugh when we were little ...

I think unless someone is a Sagger-Maker there will be noone to knock bottoms for so I shall have a side line retraining a Feng shui and aura consultant. :p

[Diamond18]

Mithalwen the Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker (with a side line retraining a Feng shui and aura consultant.)

Quite possibly the longest character description ever.... :p Maybe just "Mithalwen the Feng Shui Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker"?

[Mithalwen]

Mithalwen the Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker (with a side line retraining a Feng shui and aura consultant.)

Quite possibly the longest character description ever.... :p Maybe just "Mithalwen the Feng Shui Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker"?


And no race either ;) better be elf that is shorter and I go with sagger ......not saggar but I will check... b and the SMBK was a bit of a joke ... so do ditch it if it is a nuisance :D

[Diamond18]

I checked and it was Saggar. I'm anal that way. :D

I figured it was a joke but you don't dangle a treat like that before my moderatorly eyes and get to take it back. ;) I hate to say so, as it seems rather like hoping you lose, but I look forward to your death. :p

Let's see, Mithalwen the Elven Saggar-Maker's Bottom Knocker. Works for me.

If there's no Saggar-Maker you can just be unemployed.

[littlemanpoet]

I'll be watching if not playing. Just in case anybody wants to know, I won't be starting Dueling Wizards until Diamond's game wraps up.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm a maybe.

No, you're an S-ranked ninja.

No, you're a loser.

*sigh*

[Diamond18]

For purposes of my death scene, I am going to be Diamond Took, the Halfling Poet. In case that matters to anyone when choosing your professions.

Edit: Also, when choosing a race, please pay attention to what others have picked because I'd like all the races to be represented somewhat equally. For reference, right now we have 3 elves, 2 humans (I'm counting Ang as a human) 1 Orc, and 1 Dwarf.

[Kath]

Ok I'm almost definitely a yes and I will give you a confirmation on that when I get back.

[Mithalwen]

I checked and it was Saggar. I'm anal that way. :D

I figured it was a joke but you don't dangle a treat like that before my moderatorly eyes and get to take it back. ;) I hate to say so, as it seems rather like hoping you lose, but I look forward to your death. :p

Let's see, Mithalwen the Elven Saggar-Maker's Bottom Knocker. Works for me.

If there's no Saggar-Maker you can just be unemployed.


And there was me thinking that strange auras would be a useful cover for random accusations

[Mithalwen]

I figured it was a joke but you don't dangle a treat like that before my moderatorly eyes and get to take it back. ;) I hate to say so, as it seems rather like hoping you lose, but I look forward to your death. :p


while it is the most wondrous occupation, I think that you may have doomed me to live ... having had deaths for yourself and Nogrod go to waste in Midsommer Mawlin. Even the chance to use Discworld Death and Marvin wasn't quite enough to compensate for the loss of Nogs, Valkyries and a good bonfire.......

[Glirdan]

This looks like it might be fun. But I think I should take a break before joining Lmp's game...Put me as a maybe Diamond.

Quick question, after Lmp, who's to be the next mod?? Have we got a mod list that far?

[Lote22]

I'd like to sign up please! It's my first game but Wilwa explained it to me and I think it sounds like a lot of fun!

For an occupation I'd like to be: an igloo maker. :D

[Diamond18]

Glirdan, Kath is after LMP.

Lote, welcome to the game -- an igloo maker sounds funny. :D Would you like to be human, hobbit, elf, dwarf, or orc (or something else)?

[Roa_Aoife]

Wait, is LMP's game in WW or WWJ? I was under the impression it was WW.

[Diamond18]

It's senior. He wants 30 players.

[Mithalwen]

LMP is WW.

Noggin and Lommy's Penguin-fest and Samwise Gamgee's game follow D18 but not necessarily in that order in WWJ I think

[Glirdan]

Ok, well, I'm signing up for modding for after Samwise's game. I have a special idea in mind that will involve all previous mods from the WWJ thread (that's including Lmp because his is going to be a giant game which will probably put the junior game on hold as well as well as [possibly] some of the co mods).

Also, I guess I'll sign up Diamond. As for occupation...hmmm....can I be the local Tree hearder and (if you haven't guessed it) I'll be an Ent!! :D

[Lote22]

I would like to be an elf...and by the way I'm female :D

[Lalaith]

Ok Diamond, sign me up.
I was especially lured by the whimsical occupations theme...I shall be a chubb fuddler. For further information, please see Nancy Mitford's seminal Pursuit of Love. I'd better be a hobbit, I suppose.

[JennyHallu]

I'm in...I love LMP but his game scares me. I'm a mountaintop guru. I only communicate with the village in OBEs.

[Diamond18]

Player update:

Anguriel the Baritone Bird Catcher
(?) Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
(?) Valier
(?) Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
(?) Kath
(?) Cailín
Roa_Aoife the Batwoman
(?) Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven S-ranked Ninja
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler
JennyHallu the Mountaintop Guru

Okay, so at the moment we have:

14 players
6 questionable (though I think Kath and Mith are pretty much definite? If so, 4 questionable)

4 Elves
2 Humans
1 Dwarf
1 Hobbit
1 Ent
1 Orc

4 of you need to decide on a race. Please, don't choose Elves, since they outnumber everyone else already.

There's room for one more player (though I'm willing to let it go over 15 max slightly) Of course, if anyone drops out that will of course open up another place.

I think we have enough for me to use some more gifteds than seer and hunter, but I'll give it some thought over the next week as to who I'll add.

[Elu Ancalime]

Hey I'm in I guess. I'll be......a dwarf, specifically a Blacklock from the east, that plays the (looks in dictionary for spelling) Didgeridoo.

Didgeridoo Dwarf


SPM is playing? O gawd...I would much rather be partner werebirds than have to oppose him as an ordo.

By the way, can you give me an estemated duration game time? The thing is, this is the last school quarter, so projects and finals galore, but I can work around them alright. However, I am leaving for my summer job probably the first of June, so not only will I be unable to post for this game, but being miles out in the country for five weeks (excluding some weekends) I will be taking a vaction from Death to go make some money. (that way my Barrow will look splendid, and not out done by certain princes of Cardolan, like the neighborhood christmas light contest)

Oh, and if it needs to be bird-related, I'll be a part time chicken herder/farmer who raises chickens in his retirement.

[Diamond18]

I'm planning on starting the game April 23rd, so it should be long over by June 1st. I would think it will only take 2 weeks to play through at the most.

[Elu Ancalime]

Ok then, count me in.

[JennyHallu]

I'll be a hobbit. Who knows how a hobbit became a mountaintop guru???

I sure don't.

[Elu Ancalime]

I'll be a hobbit. Who knows how a hobbit became a mountaintop guru???

The West Virginia strain. Not that hiding in a mountainwill help from werebirds. Btw, you sure are up late for EST. :)

[JennyHallu]

Sure was. Don't want to think to hard about that one...felt it this morning.

[Sleepy Ranger]

If any of the questionable drop out then count me in. If someone could notify me by PM if someone drops out I'd be grateful.

Thanks,
Sleepy

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ms. Diamond, I'll be a pigeon-summoning ninja, so I could do i-inu-tori-saru-hitsuji hand seals in-game. :D

Still Elven, though.

[Kath]

Ok Diamond you can take that question mark away now, I will definitely be playing :) I think I shall be a rainbow catcher, that sounds like fun!

[Diamond18]

I've got 18 people signed up (either definite or question marked) and I don't want to go any higher.

Sleepy, you can play even if no one drops out, (though I don't know if you meant you only wanted to be in a smaller game).


Anguriel the Baritone Bird Catcher
(?) Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
(?) Valier
(?) Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
Kath the Rainbow Catcher
(?) Cailín
Roa_Aoife the Batwoman
(?) Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven Pigeon-Summoning Ninja
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler
JennyHallu the Halfling Mountaintop Guru
Elu Ancalime the Didgeridoo Dwarf
(?) Sleepy Ranger
dancing spawn of ungoliant
littlemanpoet

I still need race/occupation from some and confirmation for others. Anyone who doesn't give me a race will be a human.

The game will start at 10 PM CST DST on the 22nd of April with a Night Phase and the first Day Phase will begin 10 PM CST DST on the 23rd of April.

Further gifteds still to be determined.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I'm in, good and I shall be human and my occupation... uh... *sees Nilp* Chuck Norris!

[Diamond18]

Would you settle for being a Chuck Norris impersonator? ;)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Would you settle for being a Chuck Norris impersonator? ;)

Spoilsport :p
Fine, If I can't be Chuck Norris could I be a Jedi Master in Exile?

[Diamond18]

Spoilsport :p
Fine, If I can't be Chuck Norris could I be a Jedi Master in Exile?

Okay, but only because as the narrator I absolutely cannot pass that up. :D

[Cailín]

I am definitely in, thanks for your patience. :)

I shall be uh... human, I suppose. And a bird-portraitist. It's serious business.

[Anguirel]

Cailín playing? This game shall not want! Wondrous...

[Valier]

Alright I am definately in!

I shall be a female Dwarf, with a beard so long it rivals the mens. Occupation= Well with all the bird related roles.....they will surely get hungry! I will be a Millet spray picker.

[Glirdan]

This is looking to be quite an interesting game!! :D

[JennyHallu]

For those (*coughSAUCEcough*) worried about the purpose and necessity of two WW games...this seems to be the way to go when the playing pool is thinnish and large games are in the works. Use the two threads so there can be continuous recruitment, and minimal to no downtime between games. That way those who (crazily, and like me) wish to play game after game can, and no mod is forced to wait slowly with no interest in his/her game while his/her own morale and motivation decline.

[The Saucepan Man]

Use the two threads so there can be continuous recruitment, and minimal to no downtime between games. That way those who (crazily, and like me) wish to play game after game can, and no mod is forced to wait slowly with no interest in his/her game while his/her own morale and motivation decline.Sounds good to me, as long as people avoid playing in two games at once and don't neglect one game in their eagerness for the next.

Am I to be the only Orc? :rolleyes: :D

[Glirdan]

While we're on the topic of the games, I think it'd be a good idea to have a list of mods for the junior (I don't know why everyone is calling it senior. Not just the most experienced players play there so it's not senior now is it??).

Lmp's game will be excluded because his game might put the Junior games on hold because there will be a giant amount of people playing.

Junior
Diamond18
Lommy and (I believe) Norgrod
Samwise
Glirdan

If you would like to sign up for modding a game afterwards, please do one of the following (I'll end up saving the lists in a folder on my computer): a) copy and paste the list above and put your name at the bottom. b) PM me to let me know so I can update the list. Thank you for your cooperation in this.

If someone has the list for the original game thread, please, be my guest and post it. I will also go and post the list in the original gaming thread once Farael's game is over.

[Kath]

Glirdan I'm modding after lmp in the Senior thread not in here.

[Glirdan]

Ahhh!! Ok, I'll edit that out then. Thanks Kath!

[Elu Ancalime]

Yay! 24 hour 12-hour phases!!! (If only time could really be drawn ou 2x) :cool:

[Nogrod]

While we're on the topic of the games, I think it'd be a good idea to have a list of mods for the junior (I don't know why everyone is calling it senior. Not just the most experienced players play there so it's not senior now is it??).

Lmp's game will be excluded because his game might put the Junior games on hold because there will be a giant amount of people playing.

Junior
Diamond18
Lommy and (I believe) Norgrod
Samwise
Glirdan

If you would like to sign up for modding a game afterwards, please do one of the following (I'll end up saving the lists in a folder on my computer): a) copy and paste the list above and put your name at the bottom. b) PM me to let me know so I can update the list. Thank you for your cooperation in this.


Let's hope, no-one uses this list, as the philosophical penguins -game (by me and Lommy) will be after Samwise's game... So the order should be:

Junior
Diamond18
Samwise
Lommy & Nogrod
Glirdan

[Glirdan]

Well, I'm only going off what has been said previously in the thread. So please forgive me. :(

[Nogrod]

Well, I'm only going off what has been said previously in the thread. So please forgive me. :(

No problem. There was this same confusion earlier too. But I think Samwise really did come up with the modding earlier than we did.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

dancing spawn is playing? Sweet. :)

[Anguirel]

You curious chanters of the wood,
That warble forth Dame Nature's lays,
Thinking your voices understood
By your weak accents; what's your praise
When Philomel her voice shall raise?

What I mean is...please can we have the Nightingale (Ranger)? A fiendishly difficult and rewarding role which also means the Wereducks have to kill with more tactical thought than usual. Fun for everyone...

[Mithalwen]

Is CST 6 hour behind BST or 7?

[JennyHallu]

CST is GMT -6, but they are ahead one hour for Daylight Savings so... I think it's currently -5 GMT. Any corrections, anybody?

[Diamond18]

Message originally posted by Diamond18 on 04-18-2006 at 09:59 AM:

Compare this time above to what time/date my post says for you. This should help you figure out the exact time difference between us. Since it's 9:59 AM, that means right now is actually 12 hours prior to what my deadline will be. (I suppose it'd be helpful I waited to make this post till then, but c'mon. That's 12 hours from now.)

Okay, so right now this is the deal with my game:

WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

3 Wereducks

1 Owl (Seer)
The Owl will get to "see" on the first night.

1 Hawk (Hunter)
1 Nightingale (Ranger)

The Hawk and Nightingale know each other and can PM each other during the Day but not the Night. If the game results in the Hawk and 1 Duck being alive at the end, they kill each other and game is a tie.

1 Goose (Cobbler)

The Goose is a Duck Wannabe. I have not yet decided whether the Goose should know who the Ducks are and vice versa. Or perhaps the Goose should know who the Ducks are and the Ducks don't know. Or maybe the Ducks know the Goose but the Goose doesn't know the Ducks. Any suggestions?

Anguriel the Baritone Bird Catcher
(?) Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
Valier the Dwarven Millet Spray Picker
(?) Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
Kath the Rainbow Catcher
Cailín the Bird-portraitist
Roa_Aoife the Batwoman
Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven Pigeon-Summoning Ninja
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler
JennyHallu the Halfling Mountaintop Guru
Elu Ancalime the Didgeridoo Dwarf
Sleepy Ranger the Exiled Jedi Master
dancing spawn of ungoliant
(?) littlemanpoet

18 players
3 questionable

4 Elves
5 Humans
3 Dwarves
2 Hobbits
1 Ent
1 Orc

Mithalwen can I take the question mark away from your name?

[Diamond18]

Am I to be the only Orc? :rolleyes: :D

Actually I am playing with the idea of exerting my moderatorly perogative to make Spawn an Orcish Astronaut. :D That is, if you don't object, Spawn.

[Lalaith]

Those of us on BST will either have to vote early or stay up til 4am....

So the owl/seer gets just the one dream?

I think it would be quite amusing if the ducks knew the goose but not vice-versa.

[Diamond18]

Those of us on BST will either have to vote early or stay up til 4am....

Yes, sorry about that. But my schedule is all over the place and late at night is the only time I'm guarunteed to be here every day.

Oh, and there will be no double lynchings. Don't know about retractables yet. I liked them before but now I'm kind of enjoying the stability in Farael's game.

So the owl/seer gets just the one dream?

No, no, s/he dreams every night. But I played one game where the Seer (Seeker, actually) didn't get a first night dream because the game started with a Day phase. So I thought I'd make it clear that this starts with a Night phase.

I think it would be quite amusing if the ducks knew the goose but not vice-versa.

Duly noted. :)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Ack! I just worked it out and the deadline is 6am my time! :eek:
So this means I'd have to vote insanely early and be missing from the game for a good amount of time. I'd be active from 3 pm till 10:30 pm my time and then leave my vote at around 5:45 am my time, which is when I wake up on school-days. When I'm off I'll be able to stay up late and'll probably vote around 3 am my time.

There, thats my schedule for this game. If a majority of people believe it'd be an annoyance I guess I'll drop out...

EDIT: I like retraceable votes but I agree with you, I am enjoying the stability in Farael's game. I'd say no to retraceable votes because it'd keep people from throwing away their vote.

Also, I don't think the goose or duck should know either... think of the insanity... ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

Since it's 9:59 AM, that means right now is actually 12 hours prior to what my deadline will be. (I suppose it'd be helpful I waited to make this post till then, but c'mon. That's 12 hours from now.)So it's 6 hours difference, then. That makes the deadline 4am for us Brits (and even later for the Continentals and Scandinavians, I think). Any chance of bringing it forward by a few hours, Di?

Any suggestions?Well, normally the Cobbler (Goose) does not know who the Wolves (Ducks) are and vice versa. Certainly, the Goose should not know who the Ducks are because I think that makes the role more powerful than it should be. And, despite having been a Cobbler (Huan) who got killed by the shtoopid Wolves (Heroes) on the first night, I think it probably works better if the Ducks don't know the identity of the Goose either. A large part of the game (and much of its intrigue) involves trying to work out who are the gifteds and I am not sure that the Ducks should be denied this pleasure ( ;) ) with regard to the Goose. They already have more information than anyone else as it is.

Only one Owl dream? That rather balances the game in the Ducks' favour doesn't it? Or do you mean that the Owl gets a dream on the first night, before the game starts in earnest, and then every night thereafter until caught?

Actually I am playing with the idea of exerting my moderatorly perogative to make Spawn an Orcish Astronaut.Good. I am rather fearing an anti-Orc sentiment on the first day in the absence of anything else to go on ... :( :D

[Sleepy Ranger]

Good. I am rather fearing an anti-Orc sentiment on the first day in the absence of anything else to go on ... :( :D

Nonsense! You, Spanman, are awesome!

[The Saucepan Man]

No, no, s/he dreams every night. But I played one game where the Seer (Seeker, actually) didn't get a first night dream because the game started with a Day phase. So I thought I'd make it clear that this starts with a Night phase.Ah, I see.

Oh, and there will be no double lynchings. Don't know about retractables yet. I liked them before but now I'm kind of enjoying the stability in Farael's game.Personally, I'm a fan of double lynchings, but I can live without them. As a Wolf in a large village, I found the prospect of only one villager a day being lynched rather daunting. But they can seriously unbabalnce a game when there are a few known innocents hanging around. And, while I appreciate the different dynamic in a game with retractable votes, I prefer non-retractable votes on the whole. Voting is something which should not be undertaken lightly and retractabvle votes give the Ducks much more opportunity to "hide" their votes.

[Diamond18]

Re: the deadline.

I actually have two options as far as the deadline goes. Either 10 PM or 8 AM. I prefer 10 PM because I am a night person. However, since I love you all so much, and it seems I have a lot of people in my game who reside over the sea, I could, I suppose, change it to 8 AM..........

But that's the only other time that's guarunteed to work every day. My schedule is stupid, and I hate it. I work all different shifts on different days, so while one time might be good for me, say, Monday, on Tuesday it's a bad time, etc.

So actually we can take a vote, if people want. 10 PM or 8 AM.

Sauce and Sleepy's opinions on the Goose noted, as well.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I vote 8 am. Though it won't make much of a difference to me when the deadline is because my voting hours will more or less be the same. But with 8 am I'll have more time to think about my vote.

Also, I like Double Lynchings as well though I don't mind them not being there. Also is there a rule to deal with non-active players?

[The Saucepan Man]

8am CST works well for me, as it is 2pm GMT and so coincides with the end of my lunchour.

You know, reviewing the awesome list of players, it occurs to me that there's gonna be a whole lot of squawkin' goin' on in this village. Be prepared for information overload! :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Also is there a rule to deal with non-active players?In light of my comment above, I somehow think that ain't gonna be much of a problem in this village ... :rolleyes:

[JennyHallu]

8 AM works horribly for me. I go to bed at 11 PM and am not online again until about 8 AM. That would give me no time to read over posts (and as Sauce has pointed out, there would be a lot of those), so I would have to vote 9 hours before the deadline, if not earlier. I often don't have time to get online at all after I get off work at 4 PM...14 hours before the deadline.

[Sleepy Ranger]

8 AM works horribly for me. I go to bed at 11 PM and am not online again until about 8 AM. That would give me no time to read over posts (and as Sauce has pointed out, there would be a lot of those), so I would have to vote 9 hours before the deadline, if not earlier. I often don't have time to get online at all after I get off work at 4 PM...14 hours before the deadline.

Oddly enough I face the same problem with the deadline being 10pm... Diamond, I have a suggestion, perhaps you should get a co-mod and do what I had originally planned to do for an earlier game (which never happened since I got punished >_>), write the deaths out earlier and let the co-mod post them. That way we'd be able to set a deadline that suits us all.

[Diamond18]

Is there a rule to deal with non-active players?

Horrible, grisly death for anyone who doesn't vote two days in a row (without a really smashingly good excuse). Stern PMs and death threats to anyone who makes a habit of voting without other participation.

But, like Sauce said, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue in this village.

8 AM works horribly for me.

I could make it 9 AM for most days but there are certain days when that won't work. And I really hate to change the deadline around on people, as I know that I personally find it extremely confuddling. I'll have to wait for more people to toss in their two cents about the time, see which deadline causes the more people more trouble. Sorry. :(

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

dancing spawn is playing? Sweet.Thanks to Diamond and her willingness to have a slightly bigger village. :)

Actually I am playing with the idea of exerting my moderatorly perogative to make Spawn an Orcish Astronaut. That is, if you don't object, Spawn.Umm, an Orcish Astronaut? I had kind of hoped to be a spider of some sort... Oh well, whatever pleases you.

That's one small step for an orc, one giant leap for orckind.

So it's 6 hours difference, then. That makes the deadline 4am for us Brits (and even later for the Continentals and Scandinavians, I think). Any chance of bringing it forward by a few hours, Di?If it's 4 am. for you, it's 6 am. for me. Whatever the deadline is, it's fine. I'll vote when I can then. Of course it would be nice if everyone could vote as close to the deadline as possible, but since we're from so different parts of the world, I don't see that happening. It's best to go with what the majority wants.

And, despite having been a Cobbler (Huan) who got killed by the shtoopid Wolves (Heroes) on the first night, I think it probably works better if the Ducks don't know the identity of the Goose either. Hey!! :o :p

I agree, though, that the Ducks and the Goose shouldn't know each other (despite having been a Wolf who got lynched because of a bandwagon started by a fellow Wolf and a Cobbler).

I've never been in a game with retractable votes and I'd be curious to try them out, but either way is okay.

[Lalaith]

That way we'd be able to set a deadline that suits us all.


Hmm, I doubt it. You can please some of the people all of the time, etc....

Madame Godess-Modess must do as she sees fit. We poor players are but her tennis balls, struck and banded which way please her.

[Diamond18]

Spawn, maybe you can have a pet spider collection. ;)


Madame Godess-Modess must do as she sees fit. We poor players are but her tennis balls, struck and banded which way please her.

Mwah ha ha ha....

I want what works best for the most people but is still possible for me. So. I'd like to hear back from as many players as possible as to what works best for them, and I'll go with the majority.

So far,

In favor of 8 AM:

Sauce
Sleepy
Lalaith
Nogrod
Cailín

In favor of 10 PM:

Jenny
Kath
Valier
Roa
Lote
Nilp
Glirdan

[Mithalwen]

Okies....

I will be able to post for 30-45 minutes 6-7am CST (UK lunchtime) and between noon amd 3pmCST approximately (UK evening) weekdays and at least daily at weekends (variable times). During these times you will have as much participation and discussion as I can muster. I will vote as best I can according to the state of play at the time I leave.

If this is acceptable to the Mod, please regard me as a definite. If this is an unacceptable level of involvement, I understand and will bow out wishing the game well.

[Lalaith]

Very well, as you ask, 8am is best for me.

[Diamond18]

That sounds good to me, Mith. Does this mean I can consider you as in favor of 8 AM?

[Mithalwen]

Well bringing it forward a few hours won't make any difference to me save that my vote will be a little less premature, and having modded twice (asserting the divine right of moderators ;) ) , I think you should do what suits you best and let everyone else work around it. It is a harder job than you expect and as the wise Envinyatar says in his sig - you will labour in vain if you attempt to please everyone.

[Diamond18]

Well bringing it forward a few hours won't make any difference to me save that my vote will be a little less premature, and having modded twice (asserting the divine right of moderators ;) ) , I think you should do what suits you best and let everyone else work around it. It is a harder job than you expect and as the wise Envinyatar says in his sig - you will labour in vain if you attempt to please everyone.

Either 10 PM or 8 AM works perfectly fine for me (though I kvetch about getting up early in the morning, I really have no problem with it) so it's up to the majority of players to decide between the two. The one thing I don't want to do is have shifting deadlines, and so that rules out pretty much all other times for me.

[JennyHallu]

Consider how long you think it will take you to write a death, in case the daily lynch isn't whom you expect.

[Mithalwen]

That I would second whole heartedly - as you might expect!

[Kath]

If the deadline is 2pm GMT I will have to vote extremely early most days. As in about midnight the day before. The 4am GMT deadline would work a lot better for me I think as I can vote much closer to the deadline.

But if it's easier for you Diamond I'm ok with 8am.

[Diamond18]

One good reason not to have retractable votes, methinks. :D (I'm leaning toward non-retractable. Much as a I appreciated them in Mith's game, I think non will be more mod friendly.)

A good death scene would probably take me 40 minutes to write. I type like the wind. So assuming my brain is working.... ;)

[Nogrod]

Definitely 8AM, if one can have a vote for it. (10PM would be here in Finland something like 6AM: so if I would like to catch up with the writing of this bunch, I would have to wake up at 4AM the latest - and then stay awake the whole day.) Well. If the game is good, one might think about it... :rolleyes:

Retractable votes have their pro's and con's. They can be misused, surely, but they also make it possible for everyone to vote with thought in the end. F.ex. in Farael's game right now, there have been occasions, where someone has had to vote early, because s/he has not been sure, whether s/he's able to come back - and not voting is bad sport anyhow. Then it's nasty to hang around the game at the last minutes (as it has turned out possible to be there) and see, how differently - with additional information - one would have voted.

[Lalaith]

Oh and I'm not a fan of retractable votes. I'm a P not a J, but not that heavily P that I can deal with such fluidity...(for further explanation see my enneagrams thread...)

[Mithalwen]

Well I am generally a fan of retractable votes but since I am going to have to vote early and certainly won't be able to pop back, it doesn't make any odds to me in this game.

[Valier]

Well I would totally vote for the 10pm time. I am NOT a morning person and 8 in the morning is awfully early for me to get up and have a coherent vote/reasoning. But if the majority rules, that's ok I guess.....:p Perhaps we should have retractable votes for the people who might be able to sneak on before the deadline.:D

[Nogrod]

Perhaps we should have retractable votes for the people who might be able to sneak on before the deadline.:D

I might be happy with this kind of arrangement - if it could be made somewhat reasonable and simple. Say: one possibility to retract a vote / day? I don't know, whether demanding a reason for it (uncertainty about the possibility to come back before the deadline) would make it complicated (where to state the reasons, how to believe them etc.)?

Maybe just plain: 1 chance to change the vote?

[Diamond18]

If I were to allow retractables I would definitely put a cap of one-change-of-mind-per-person on it. I think they're best used for when you're not sure if you'll be able to be around for the deadline or not, so you want to get an early vote in to be safe but can still change your mind if you do manage to get on later. That's mainly what I liked about them as a player.

However, if I allowed retractables it'd be for everyone, not just those with deadline difficulty. So I wouldn't expect a reason to have to be given.

[Roa_Aoife]

I can do either, really, as I'm on EST time, but that would be 9AM for me, so I'd be missing most of the day's end, and depending on my schedule I might have to miss that entirely too. The 10 pm would be a lot easier for me to make, since I'm almost always on at that time.

++ 10 PM :D

[Cailín]

As a Continental European, I have to vote 8AM. I'd not be able to vote close to the deadline every day, due to classes and all, but it would be a lot better than 5AM (for me).

Though I am a morning person, I am not that much of a morning person really. But if majority says 10PM, I would obviously be dedicated enough.

I do not think this game needs retractable votes to be dynamic, considering the wonderful line up. Very much looking forward to it already.

[Lote22]

I vote:

++10PM

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++10PM CST

Or bust my brains open and have me for supper! :p It would be fun to actually see the cycle post--which, considering my timezone, is not likely to happen often.

As Formendaga said, put your foot down, Moddess Goddess! ( ;) )

[Glirdan]

Well, knowing that Wilwa helped Lote with the timing, I'm going to go with 10pm.

[Diamond18]

Re: time zones

In favor of 8 AM:

Sauce
Sleepy
Lalaith
Nogrod
Cailín

In favor of 10 PM:

Jenny
Kath
Valier
Roa
Lote
Nilp
Glirdan

No preference:

Spawn
Mithalwen

So everyone but Elu and Morm have "weighed in" so to speak. It looks like 10 PM has a slight lead. This will probably be the deadline, then, unless Elu and Morm both want 8 AM, in which case it will be a tie, and it will... probably be 10 PM because that was my preference. So, er, it will be 10 PM.

Deadline will be 10 PM

Sorry for any inconveinences this causes, it looks like some will just have to vote early. About half the village will be put out either way.

But this whole mini game of survivor featuring the deadlines was fun for me, thanks. :p

I have also decided that there will be NO retractable votes. With retractables there seems to be a flurry of last minute activity right up at the deadline, which can swing the lynch in a totally different direction than expected in the hours leading up. I feel this would be unfair to those players who definitely cannot be present at the deadline.

So, it's 10 PM CST DST
No retractable votes
Two days without voting results in a death, unless you get on your knees and beg really really hard whilst I grin with a self-satisified evil air, and... uh... right.
If the only thing you do is vote for two days running, same result, unless there's a really good reason.

Okay, next line of business from the extemely talkative moddess who has nothing better to do right now because she was killed but no she isn't bitter, not bitter at all:

LMP thought he might be able to play but couldn't fit it into his schedule, so there are now 17 players. Nogrod is the only questionable left -- this is dependent on his survival in Farael's game. So there's room for one or two more players if anyone wants to sign up. But even if we start with only 16 that should be okay.

[Nogrod]

Nogrod is the only questionable left -- this is dependent on his survival in Farael's game. So there's room for one or two more players if anyone wants to sign up. But even if we start with only 16 that should be okay.

I think you can leave the questionmark out, and count me in.

I just looked at the calendar and noticed, that when the first DAY-phase starts in your game, there will be just four villagers left in Farael's game (without more ranger saves). So it's just a day or at most two away from ending - and can be at an end already then. And when it's a NIGHT there, it will be a DAY here, and vice versa (an overlap of just a couple of hours).

Of the deadline: I'll just have to learn new habits and wake up early... And if I don't vote one day, I hope you believe, that I just haven't managed to wake up... :rolleyes:

[Kath]

Ok, now we know it's 10pm, can someone please tell me for definite what that is in terms of GMT. My maths is not known for being correct.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Ok, now we know it's 10pm, can someone please tell me for definite what that is in terms of GMT. My maths is not known for being correct.

Keeping DST in mind I believe its 4am.

[Diamond18]

It will be 4 AM.

[Anguirel]

I haven't weighed in actually...but I don't mind. I'd vote in the minority. Oh well, early voting for Papageno...

Very glad to see the Nightingale included.

I think it would be best for the Goose not to know the Ducks. A Goose by definition shouldn't know anything of use! Perhaps the Ducks could indeed know the Goose...

[Diamond18]

Oops. I'm sorry, Ang. I don't know how I forgot you.

You'll be in good company with the early voters, anyway. :)

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh dear. If Farael's game doesn't end soon, I'll be in the same position as Nogrod. I had figured we'd be further along by now. Oh, well.

[Diamond18]

I suppose I could move my game up by a day or two. Start the Night on Sunday and the Day on Monday. I'll see Saturday.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I suppose I could move my game up by a day or two. Start the Night on Sunday and the Day on Monday. I'll see Saturday.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as Nogrod and Roa though I believe I'll be dead soon but who knows?

[Diamond18]

I was ready to have to move my game up if I was still alive, anyway, so it's no problem. In fact I was starting to bank on it, but then nooooooo I was killed, but like I said I'm not bitter, not bitter at all.

[Kath]

Thanks all. That's great, means I'll only be voting about 4 hours before the deadline most days, and 2 hours before on weekends.

[mormegil]

Sorry but I haven't been around lately. As far as times go, not that it matters much now, but I really don't care. I'll make anytime work.

[Mithalwen]

Erm - Has it been decided when we start - just so I know if I absolutely have to check in over the weekend......

[Diamond18]

Well, I had been planning on starting it Saturday 10 PM (which is Sunday 4 AM for you I think) by PMing out roles. My death and the first public activity would then take place 10 PM Sunday (4 AM Monday).

However, since Nogrod, Roa, and Sleepy may not be able to play then, I think I will change this, moving the Role PMing to 10 PM Sunday my time. Which means that, no, Mith you won't have to check in until Monday your time.

[Mithalwen]

Well, I had been planning on starting it Saturday 10 PM (which is Sunday 4 AM for you I think) by PMing out roles. My death and the first public activity would then take place 10 PM Sunday (4 AM Monday).

However, since Nogrod, Roa, and Sleepy may not be able to play then, I think I will change this, moving the Role PMing to 10 PM Sunday my time. Which means that, no, Mith you won't have to check in until Monday your time.


OK..... :D

[Glirdan]

I know the game hasn't started yet, but I thought it'd be best to let everyone know now for reasons which I shall state in a minute. I'm not feeling my best right now. I think I may have come down with the flu so if I don't post for the first few days, it's because of that reason. I will try and make it, but don't be surprised if I don't. I'll also get Wilwa, Lote or Wayne to come on and give you an update on (if I fall ill) when my return should be. Thank you and sorry for any inconvienence.

[Diamond18]

Sorry to hear that Glirdy. I hope it's just the flu and not mumps. :eek:

If you are not able to be around at all for the first couple days, perhaps one of the people you mentioned can fill in for you? Well, obviously not Lote because she's in the game. Perhaps Wilwa?

One other thing, I'm not sure if this matters, but would people prefer if I wasn't invisible? I have taken to being logged in as invisible all the time because frankly I'm lazy and I like never having to log in and out. But if you would like an indication of when I am on or offline I will switch my preferences and try to remember to log out when I leave.

[Valier]

So just to clarify...We get our roles tomorrow and we start monday at 10 pm?

[Diamond18]

The first Night (with roles) starts at 10 PM tomorrow.

Day starts 10 PM Monday.

[Diamond18]

Oh and just to add, if one more soul wants to join, you have until 10 PM tomorrow to do so. But there's only room for one more.

[Glirdan]

Well Diamond, after a nice rest I think I should be fine. But that is a good idea. As a good back up plan in case something happens. I'll let you know if something arises.

[The Saucepan Man]

I have a busy week at work next week, so I will probably be posting less than is usual for me. Just wanted to make that clear, before the roles are handed out, in case anyone was inclined to read anything into it.

[Anguirel]

I have a busy week at school next week, yet I will probably be posting as much or more than is usual for me. Just wanted to make that clear, before the roles are handed out, in case some people are worrying about my revision schedules...

They're right.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I too have a busy week lined up so won't be posting a lot. I will however try my best to be of as much benifit as I can. Though I guess by a weak I mean four days so yeah.

[The Saucepan Man]

... in case some people are worrying about my revision schedules...Actually, I'm more concerned with keeping my job than with your revision schedules. :p ;)

[Elu Ancalime]

Just so I dont get any fingers pointed at me during the game for absence, I will be gone all probably all day this coming Friday, and Maybe not be able to post until about 5 PM Saturday.

[JennyHallu]

Just to make sure...game's starting tonight, right? About now?

Diamond?

[Elu Ancalime]

I think roles were supposed to be PMed by now...

S0 yeah, this should be NIGHT 1....

[Diamond18]

Not so fast, little girabbits. It's only 9:30 PM right now in Diamond-land. :p

However, I am going to start PMing out roles right now and will be posting up the rules and variations at 10. Then Night 1 will officially be begun.

[Diamond18]

I've PMed all the roles. If I missed anyone, PM me.

You should be Invisible now. I can still see at least one of you. ;)

[Valier]

Diamond could you post all the players please....:D

[Diamond18]

Anguirel the Baritone Bird Catcher
Mithalwen the Elven Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker
Saucepan Man the Orcish Scarecrow
Mormegil the Elven Idleman
Valier the Dwarven Millet Spray Picker
Nogrod the Dwarven Personal Fitness Instructor
Kath the Rainbow Catcher
Cailín the Bird-portraitist
Roa Aoife the Batwoman
Nilpaurion Felagund the Elven Pigeon-Summoning Ninja
Glirdan the Entish Tree Herder
Lote22 the Elven Igloo Maker
Lalaith the Halfling Chubb Fuddler
JennyHallu the Halfling Mountaintop Guru
Elu Ancalime the Didgeridoo Dwarf
Sleepy Ranger the Exiled Jedi Master
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Spider Loving Orcish Astronaut

[Valier]

Why thank you madam Mod Goddess!:D

[Gil-Galad]

Roa as the Batwoman? is she like taking after me and one of my many roles during the WW experiance?

[Mithalwen]

I have a busy week at school next week, yet I will probably be posting as much or more than is usual for me. Just wanted to make that clear, before the roles are handed out, in case some people are worrying about my revision schedules...

They're right.

I am - given that GD has had to defer most of her exams and that my current job sucks more than a Dyson - worrying about your revision is a top priority. And since I am an international standard worrier it is probably unnecessary for anyone else to do so... :rolleyes: So I guess that i won't have to put up with much interruption to "IoS" either?

[Glirdan]

I'm letting everyone know now that I will not be posting regularly because of school and all that other fun stuff. I should be posting like usual by the weekend.

[Glirdan]

Sorry I didn't get to vote last night. I went out and when I came back, I didn't have a chance to come and vote before going to bed. Sorry everyone!!

[Kath]

Oh yes, my reason for not being here so much of yesterday. I've been very ill, and so was at the doctors for much of the day. When not there I was on the nebuliser at home (and if you get what that means you know how bad I was). I was able to pop in and out but not really get involved until late evening when I was feeling much better.

[Mithalwen]

You poor love - not a great time of year ..... take care.

[Glirdan]

Sorry to intrude on the game, but I have an updated modding list which I need to post before I forget ( :rolleyes: ):

Diamond18 (In progress)
Lommy and (I believe) Norgrod
Samwise
Glirdan
Valesse

[Nogrod]

Sorry to intrude on the game, but I have an updated modding list which I need to post before I forget ( :rolleyes: ):

Diamond18 (In progress)
Lommy and (I believe) Norgrod
Samwise
Glirdan
Valesse

Well, there are some problems here.

First of all. Samwise is before me & Lommy. But he has asked by PM to us change places something like two weeks ago. That was about to do with his schedules...

Secondly: Lmp's game will draw in about 30 gamers. There is no reason to try to start a WWJ -game simultaneously...

So we should think about this. We could take the next WWJ -game (me and Lommy), but anyhow, it would be fairly long in May by that. To us, the beginning of the June would be best (as Lommy is not in school anymore, and could hang around my place - see the net-access problems by her). Otherwise, we are forced to come up with a somewhat nasty timetable to our American friends...

So Samwise, if you just could mod your game at the time your place in the "mod-row" gives you, that would be fine... We will be flexible with this one anyhow. So if your game just can't be in two weeks time, then we will take it.

[Cailín]

I have been unexpectedly called away for the weekend and will not return to a safe haven with an internet connection before Tuesday. That means that I will be absent from now on and not able to vote at all should I still be alive on Monday.

Because already one player was lost due to RL problems, I decided -with permission from our Moddess- that it would be best to have my brother sub for me. He shall henceforth be posting and participating under my name. He is familiar with the game due to my constant ravings and has been reading along with this game since the beginning.

Since he is generally considered to be both smarter and nicer than me, I am sure there will be no problems. However, you will probably notice a difference in style since he is a bit less proficient in English. Treat him as if he were me, though.

I am very, very sorry. Especially my apologies to Diamond.

[Sleepy Ranger]

...this game is cursed. I PM'd her around the deadline and informed her that I shall be dropping out of this game as well. I really hate to have to do this, seems you've lost enough people already but with two ducks down and a few certain innocents I'm sure you'll do fine. I'm truly sorry, it was shaping up to be an excellent game but due to certain implications I am forced to leave. Life has taken a turn for the worse, possibly the worst.

I apologize to all of you, but I'm choiceless in the matter. If I stay in the game I'd be nothing but dead-weight. I hate to have to do this but whats happened can't be changed.

Good luck my friends! May you find that duck!

-Sleepy Ranger, Jedi Master in Exile

[Nogrod]

I came up with an idea last week, that I have now talked with Lommy, and she was all for it. Now I would like to hear from you others.

There seems to be two problems in a WW-game.
1) The "illustrious players" are more likely to die very soon if they are ordos (wolf-kill) or wolves (lynch).
2) One can't change her/his way of playing, as it is deemed highly suspicious by others (lynch).

So I was just thinking, whether we could have a game with totally unknown identities? It could be the game moderated by myself & Lommy in WWJ, soon.

Everyone wishing to join the game would then have to log in as a newbie (with a new name and avvie). NB. This new character should only be used for the WW-game! One should not post anything on other threads with this new identity - as not to leave tracks around. So everyone could enlist to the game with this new identity - and then PM me their real identities, on their real log-ins - just to be sure... So just telling me, who they are going to be.

We could then entwine this identity stuff (well, it's the "Island of philosophical Penguins" -game and the questions of identity are philosophical, if there are ones!) into the overall narration of the game - thereby revealing all the killed with their real identities one by one. And in the end, we would of course reveal the remaining characters as well (You have to be able to get the rep's into a right address, now don't you? :D )

But as I said, I would like to hear your thoughts on this. And especially the point of the overall mod of the Mirth - or the one handling identities / log-ins. So is it troublesome to erase or delete persons from the Downs in general? I could send a list of these "only for the game characters" to someone in charge of the members, to be deleted after the game.

With this, we might have a totally new gaming experience (we could not trust or suspect someone by the name only, but would have to concentrate on the actual posts) and everyone would be free to try a different approach to the gaming - and we would have all the excitement in wondering, who is who...

This could bite in both directions: it would be harder for the wolves to decide their pray - and it would be harder for the villagers to analyze the posts by their writer.

Sounds challenging, and exciting to me. How about you?

[Diamond18]

Well, it's an interesting idea. I think it would be very easy to tell who is who just by posting style, though. Like handwriting. (And I'm not talking about playing style so much as English style, puncutation, etc.) The other thing, is that we're all in different timezones and often have to post about what RL situation has kept us away from the game. Of course, that might just be part of the new game, that you can't make RL excuses for behavior, but then I still think we'd be able to tell who is who....

[Nogrod]

I too think, that the players might have some gut-feelings about each other - and the time-zones might be revealing here. But anyhow, no-one could be sure - as you never can be in WW-game.

It could be just challenging and cracking your mind to try and figure it out... The first day probably would be even more hazardous & random as ever, but then on, it could provide us with a really new challenge?

[Diamond18]

I would be game to try it if the B-W didn't have any objections. But you may have to bear with me, as I am terrible at logging in and out, and may forget which account I'm in. >_<

[Nogrod]

I would be game to try it if the B-W didn't have any objections. But you may have to bear with me, as I am terrible at logging in and out, and may forget which account I'm in. >_<

I sent a PM query to the Barrow-Wight. Let's hear the judgement from there.

[Roa_Aoife]

How intriguing this would be! Imagine- a game with out preconceived ideas about the people you're playing with! Oh, Nogrod, how I wish you would actually play in that one. I wonder if we would still be at each other's throats if we didn't know who the other was? Also, people couldn't get away with "that's just my standard operating procedure" anymore.

It's something I wonder- will we ever play so many WW games that we have everyone's modis operandi down so completely that we automatically know who's a wolf? If it's allowed, we should do this everygame.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sign me up if you get permission.

[Nogrod]

Oh, Nogrod, how I wish you would actually play in that one. I wonder if we would still be at each other's throats if we didn't know who the other was?
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It's something I wonder- will we ever play so many WW games that we have everyone's modis operandi down so completely that we automatically know who's a wolf? If it's allowed, we should do this everygame.

Well, yes. I would like to see that game one day... :) It would be nice to see after the deaths that we were the ones trusting each other!

But the later point of yours is the thing I was more worried about... If it is - as you say, and as I think myself - it would be more work to the Mod-Mod. Although, I quess people (me too!) would still like to play traditionally: that is so comforting, knowing the roles beforehand. But sparingly distributed, this "blind-game" might be a good idea...

[Caranlondien]

Excellent idea! I can't wait to see how this goes...

[Firefoot]

I think it's a brilliant idea. How many times do you go into a game subconsciously trusting someone just because of a name?

Talk about confusing though... I'd hate to be in a village with more than, say, 20 people whose names you've never heard.

[Eonwe]

Great idea Nogrod. If I can't get into LMP's game, sign me up!

[littlemanpoet]

I like it, Nogrod. I'll either be raring to go at playing after I've finished modding, or I'll be so dragged out tired I won't want to play for .... um.... days. :p

[Gurthang]

Hmmm... this is a great idea. I'd probably play, too, if I knew times and dates and those sort of mundane details... but I know it's all still in the thinking phase.

I can't help but wonder if we still won't be able to spot most people after a couple days. I know that it's very easy to slip back into your usual playing mode even if you're trying not to. Although, I think I personally am just insane enough to pull something like that off... after all, I have gotten lynched simply because of one of my crazy 'plans'. (Which almost worked *grumble*) :D

[Formendacil]

Is there a waiting list for being in this game?

I'm totally in favour of it, although I'm no Barrow-Wight... In theory, he could delete the accounts from being active after the game.... right?

[Diamond18]

Well since my WWJ game isn't even over yet, :rolleyes: I don't think that sign up for this one is officially begun.

[Formendacil]

Well since my WWJ game isn't even over yet, :rolleyes: I don't think that sign up for this one is officially begun.

That was said tongue-in-cheek, Di... With both your game running and LMP's game about to take off, I don't think this game will occur QUITE yet, especially with the high interest it seems to be garnering.

I just wanted to let Nogrod know I really like the idea.

My apologies about the mess up... Don't y'all start signing up on a non-existent list, now!

[Nogrod]

Thanks for your support, people.

Sadly Barrow-Wight thought differently. I can see the point (a load of false identities around), but well, a bit diasppointed, to be sure.

Well just have to come up with other ideas to make the game vary. And we seem to have them coming all the time (lmp's game f.ex.).

[Diamond18]

Well, Noggie, if it cheers you any, I intend to NOT be someone who uses a consistent playing style. Others would have to tell me how similar my playing was in my first three games. But I'm crazy insane and even if it gets me lynched I have plans for different gaming styles depending on my mood. :D

[Nogrod]

It's always great to get the support of one's wife, at least... Maybe you will not spank me so hard on one day for this? :D

And really, that was just an idea - and I still think of it as a good one, but nevertheless... We have other options still. Maybe we should kind of declare a "day of the false-King"-game one day, or something like that?

[Elu Ancalime]

If it's any token at all, my internet was disabled for the past week and a half, and it should be sputtering along hopefully, but I suppose it was too late for that...

[JennyHallu]

Roa...I'm afraid even anonymity wouldn't make Noggie very difficult to identify, unless he had a proof-reader. No offense, Noggie...but your accent would give you away.

[Roa_Aoife]

It's less the accent, and more the attitude, I think. Not that there's anything wrong with being headstong... :rolleyes: :D

[Kath]

Really? I'd put it down to the overabundance of commas!

It was a good idea though, it's a shame it couldn't be implemented. No one would have been able to claim that Day 1 was useless, as we'd all be spending it trying to work out who everyone else was :D

[Thinlómien]

It's probably me and Nogrod next on the modding list.

(We have negotiated with Samwise and he'd like to mod after us and that's perfectly fine with us. Anyway, I have Pmed him to see if he has a final objection. That's why it's "probably" me and Nogrod next...)

The game starts after LMP's megalomaniac game is finished. We'd prefer to start in in early June, when our summer holidays have just begun. (2nd or 3rd or something like that.) Then we could have a better deadline, since if we have school/work we can't have a deadline that most people can cope with.

The game will be called The Island of Philosophical Penguins or The Island of Psychotic Penguins and it introduces a new lycantrophe species; werepenguin.

The game will have quite basic roles.

[Nogrod]

Roa...I'm afraid even anonymity wouldn't make Noggie very difficult to identify, unless he had a proof-reader. No offense, Noggie...but your accent would give you away.

Thanks for support Jenny! But I think it's not so much an accent, as just plain and simple broken English... :D

[Kath]

If we're taking a vote on the name I'd go for The Island of Psychotic Penguins, but then I would ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

How many different species of therianthropes are there? As many as our mods want! I'm just waiting for the aquarium version where all the villagers are fish, and are being attacked by the evil were-sharks. They can protected by a Dolphin. :D

I say go for the philosophical penguins. So many philosophy jokes are just waiting to be made.

And Nogrod, I find your English to be quite good. I didn't even realize it wasn't your first language till I learned where you're from.

[Diamond18]

I say go for The Island of Psychotic Philosophical Penguins but then, I would. ;)

And Roa, you simply MUST mod the Weresharks game! :p

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, if I ever decide to mod, I call Weresharks. Dibs, I tell you, DIBS! Of course, no garruntees on ever modding. I like playing far too much. ;)

[Nogrod]

I'm just shivering from the thought of weresharks! :D

But what is your opinion? We (Lommy & me) have been thinking about two different scenarios:

1) The old story about the elves making the icy passage to the ME - so what actually happened to those who never made it?

2) A luxury cruise on the fourth age, where a shipwreck would throw a bunch of ME aristocracy on a deserted island?

On both scenarios, you would have to pick up your roles from highly esteemed circles. But which one would be the more interesting? A purely elven game, or a post-LotR aristocracy game?

And as Lommy noted already: we will not be competing with Lmp's game, so we would start only after that game is at an end - and if Samwise doesn't suddenly appear and change his stance on the order of the games.

= Diamond
I say go for The Island of Psychotic Philosophical Penguins


That's a reasonable concord... :rolleyes: We'll see about it.

[Diamond18]

1) The old story about the elves making the icy passage to the ME - so what actually happened to those who never made it?

I think I like the sound of this one best... just call me Diawen. :D

[littlemanpoet]

we could always trade identities, just change passwords afterwards; you know,
Nogrod be Diamond,
Diamond be LMP,
LMP be Celuien,
Celuien be Feanor, then back to who we really are once the game's done.

Nah, I didn't really suggest that. :p

* LMP ducks as The Barrowwight aims the dreaded skeletal hand of doom in his direction.... *

[Diamond18]

The sheer madness of such a plan is too frightening to comtemplate, LMP

[littlemanpoet]

Ain't it though? :D

[Glirdan]

That is a truly mad plan and I'm surprised B-W hasn't already started chucking those skeletal hands at you yet! :D :p

[Roa_Aoife]

That would so confusing, yet, at the same time, awesome. Of course, you'd have to have great trust in the exchangee to give them your password. Even funnier- we could attempt to imitate whoever we were playing as... *dies of laughter just thinking about it.*

[Nogrod]

Even funnier- we could attempt to imitate whoever we were playing as... *dies of laughter just thinking about it.*

Just so great an idea!
:cool:

[Thinlómien]

Three things:

1) LMP's idea is totally mad... It might even work but I think needs a lot of consideration and maybe works better as an intriguing possibility than a real game. :)

2) I got a PM from Samwise and now it is sure that I and Nogrod are the next mods.

3) Of those possibilities Nogrod introduced I myself am for the elf-scenario (as I have told Nogrod as well). We will give it some more thought as soon as we manage... And your comments are, of course, welcome.

[Celuien]

Brilliantly confusing and absolutely mad plan, Elempi. :D

Though I wonder. With enough frequenting of the forums (as I think just about all of us in the Werewolf obsessed group have), it could be sort of obvious which of us both play Werewolf and spend enough time chatting with each other to be willing to reveal our passwords. (Mine, by the way, comes from a random generator that I constructed to make 8 character, case-sensitive alpha-numeric passwords.) So it might not be too difficult to guess who swapped identities with whom, even if we do attempt to imitate each other's styles.

*Runs in terror from the skeletal hand of Doom*

[Thinlómien]

Even funnier- we could attempt to imitate whoever we were playing as... *dies of laughter just thinking about it.* Or we could attempt to imitate someone's style that we were not playing, f.g. I'd try to imitate Roa's style while playing Nogrod, so everyone would be sure that she was playing him... On the other hand I prefer Roa's idea, it gives the game the twist of parody... :D Actually I really started to imagine it only right now and am laughing aloud... :D :D Anyway, those imitating me or Roa would have hard time...

[Roa_Aoife]

Us? I would think SPM would be harder. It takes a lot of skill to talk so much while saying so little. ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

It takes a lot of skill to talk so much while saying so little.Ah, but you only have experience of me as a Goose. When innocent, I do occasionally at least try to say something useful ... ;)

Imagine the havoc that one could cause on the other discussion threads if one was given licence, for Werewolf purposes, to post as another Downer ... :eek:

Personally speaking, my password is private and shall remain as such. And, no, my password is not the word "private". :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

I too find it a bit weird idea to go on sending passwords to one another - and it would surely be looked with an evil eye by the mods. But the idea of people trying to imitate one another is just hilarious! And there should be no objections to that from any skeletal hand of doom either.

Just think about the possibilities: Lommy playing with Elu-style, Spawn going Sleepy-ways, Valier or Eonwe flood-posting Roa/Lommy/Nogrod -style, Spm starting with Nilp suicide, Celuien snapping others Ang-style, Kath building theories on top of each other, Mith attacking aggressively everything that moves... That would just be a brainstorm of a game. :eek:

But is it playable as a a real game? I kind of suspect it. But a funny thought to entertain anyhow.

[JennyHallu]

Have you ever played the game where everyone in the room has someone else's name taped to their foreheads, and must ask others questions in order to determine their 'identity'? What you're describing sounds like that.

[wilwarin538]

Well we could change our passwords to the name of the person imitating us, then when the game is over we can just change our password back to the one we had before. So for example if SPM was imitating me, right before the game I would change my password to "Saucepan Man", then when he dies or the game ends I just change it back. This way we're not giving out anything personal and it's easier for the person imitating us to remember the password.

Personally I think it would be an amazing game. ;)

[Nogrod]

Well we could change our passwords to the name of the person imitating us, then when the game is over we can just change our password back to the one we had before. So for example if SPM was imitating me, right before the game I would change my password to "Saucepan Man", then when he dies or the game ends I just change it back. This way we're not giving out anything personal and it's easier for the person imitating us to remember the password.

Personally I think it would be an amazing game. ;)

I have to agree with Spm on this. If the game takes, let's say a week or two, some people might be tempted to do something else with the password than just play the game. You know: we all are nice people, but how come the world is full of computer viruses etc. It unfortunately takes only one to spoil the idea...

Someday, when "the kingdom has come", or something, I would like to try this - or some other procedure. F.ex. this game of "the wrong king", where everyone would intentionally play with a different style as they are used to. Or if we all ask for the Barrow-Wight for a ruling of exception to try just once these "blind"-identities (made totally from scratch) - clearly stating, that they will be for one game only (and thence deleted), and just to try it... But I also understand B-W's concern about it and wouldn't be pushing the matter now.

[Glirdan]

This is for all previous Werewolf Junior mods and submods. Please let me know who you are ASAP (with the exception of Sleepy and Diamond18). This is extremely important as it has a big part in the game I will be modding. Yes, I know early, but it's better to be early than to be late. I'm planning something...unique for it. So please, either PM me or post it here. As long as I get the information before Samwise's game is over. So you have almost a month. Thank you for your co-operation.

[Nogrod]

An announcement, concerning the oncoming games.

Kath would like to have her TiG game to begin asap after lmp's, as her closing exams will haunt her after that. Therefore we will push the beginning of our TiGJ game a bit forwards.

So the next game should be Kath's TIG-game, and our game on TiGJ will start only when Kath's game is drawing near its end. That way we can have players to both games - and the timetable is much better for me and Lommy too: as our summer holidays start in the beginning of June. Then we will have all the time to come up with stories, deaths etc., and will be able to make the deadline around 10PM GMT, which seems to fit both Europeans and Americans.

[Valier]

Glirdan I modded the Werecats game...wwj7 I think.... and Naria was my co-mod

I am curious to know what your up to:D

[Glirdan]

You shall see, but I'm glad that you're anxious. I haven't quite worked out all the kinks to it yet, but I will and it's going to be fun. And thanks Valier.

[Roa_Aoife]

Check out the Grimoire, Glirdan. There should be quite a bit in there.

[Glirdan]

Yes, and I'm pretty sure I have all the mods but I'm not sure of sub-mods. Besides all I need is verification from those mods, like Valier has so kindly done.

[tom bombariffic]

I am entirely new to the whole werewolf thing, but it looks like a laugh and a half.

I've read through a couple of games and reckon I understand it pretty well, but I'm totally lost on the new game / sign-up / waiting list thing.

If anyone could enlighten me when the next available (i.e. has free spaces) game will probably start, and how to sign up, I'd be very grateful.

cheers

bombariffic

[Valier]

There is only one game going at the moment Tom, and it still has a fair bit to go, but there will be games starting after it is over. Usually recruiting for a game happens on this thread or the Tol in Gaurhoth thread. Please feel free to sign up for one when they begin, nice to see another new werewolf player!:)

[tom bombariffic]

thanks, I'll keep an eye out.

bombariffic

[Nogrod]

If anyone could enlighten me when the next available (i.e. has free spaces) game will probably start, and how to sign up, I'd be very grateful.


If I'm not totally mistaken. The next game starting is the one modded by Kath, and it will be in the TiG -thread - after lmp's megagame has ended. I think enlisting for it begins somewhat soon, as the game should start pretty quickly after the ongoing one, because of Kath's timetables.

As that game begins, we will start enlisting people to the next TiGJ game (modded by me and Lommy) here. Our game should start when Kath's game is at its last days or something (around the beginning of June).

That remains to be seen.

And surely: welcome Bombariffic! This is a nasty, but addicting game. And so much fun, even though you sometimes die on the first days...

[Diamond18]

I'm not sure what Kath's going to be doing about recruiting, as we're not supposed to be posting in the Tol-in-Gaurhoth thread while Dueling Wizards games is going on. I was thinking about that the other day. That's why I think the TiG/TiGJ alternation of games is what works best. :p (Just a reference to a discussion that took place a while ago. ;))

[Nogrod]

I'm not sure what Kath's going to be doing about recruiting, as we're not supposed to be posting in the Tol-in-Gaurhoth thread while Dueling Wizards games is going on. I was thinking about that the other day. That's why I think the TiG/TiGJ alternation of games is what works best. :p (Just a reference to a discussion that took place a while ago. ;))

A voice from under the grave: Dear wife! :(

1) I guess the discussion about not posting in the TiG-thread concerns people who play the game now. I think one of lmp's posts said it just that way: that people who are currently active should not post there - but for pressing personal timetable-stuff... or whatever it was. The point of course being, that one should not try to affect the game by "playing it" over there too. In a sense, I can't see no idea in prohibiting someone tot talk there about the next game - even though s/he is currently playing. It's just a "no-go" for any game related discussion while the game goes on?

2) I have heard that Kath has pressing timetables and has asked Lommy whether she (Kath) could go with her game first. It's quite sure, we won't have enough players to two games on top of each other after lmp's game anyhow. I've sent a PM to Kath about that today - and we'll be looking at the situation. After all, the most important thing is, that there are games to play for those who want them - and some fair distribution of moddings...

[Diamond18]

Well there's two things could be done, as I see it. I don't think that the TiG thread should be trying to balance Kath's recruitment and the away or emergency notices for LMP's game. Indeed, an emergency notice could get lost amongst the pre-game planning. So, either a seperate thread (such as Mith had done) could be created, or Kath could use the TiGJ thread. Just my thoughts.

PS -- we seem to be getting the jump on Kath in talking about her own game, which seems a bit... wrong. I only expressed these thoughts since bombariffic is looking for info on when and where the next recruitment starts, and right now it's hard to give any sort of definite answer.

[Nogrod]

According to the "usual procedure", our game (me & Lommy) in TiGJ would start next. And we should be recruiting people now here already, I guess. But as Kath has herself asked to be going on first (because of her timetables), we have thought it gentlemanlike / gentlewomanlike to let her make her game first. As I said, I doubt we could make two games on top of each other after lmp.

But what you say about recruiting and game-related messages getting confused (mostly: important messages concerning lmp's game getting confused or lost amidst the next game planning) is quite true. If Kath doesn't think it very important, that her game is the TiG - and ours is "just" TiGJ, then we should change places. But let's hear what Kath has to say. I'll ask her via PM to check this discussion here.

[Diamond18]

According to the "usual procedure", our game (me & Lommy) in TiGJ would start next. And we should be recruiting people now here already, I guess. But as Kath has herself asked to be going on first (because of her timetables), we have thought it gentlemanlike / gentlewomanlike to let her make her game first. As I said, I doubt we could make two games on top of each other after lmp.

I think you mistake my intent in talking about this... it's none of my concern whether Kath goes before you and Lommy or vice versa, and whatever you want/wanted to do with your games is up to you. I was just concerned about the idea of mingling Kath's game with LMP's current game on the TiG thread.

And my reference to TiG/TiGJ games was in reference to the discussion prior to my game about the usefulness/worth of having two seperate categories and planning threads for Werewolf game.

[Nogrod]

I see your point now, sorry.

And my reference to TiG/TiGJ games was in reference to the discussion prior to my game about the usefulness/worth of having two seperate categories and planning threads for Werewolf game.

Well, I guess all this speaks in favour of two threads. So the one under play can be freezed during the game time for important gaming posts and the other might have recruitement going on simultaneously. Whether the one should be "the real WW" and the other "just junior", well, different people weight these differently. Maybe they should be similar-kind of threads (WW1 & WW2, or something), but at least I have no problem playing or modding a WWJ-game. Most of the best games I've had have been at the junior - and some of those playerlists in junior have just been quite awesome.

[Kath]

I'm here!

As to recruitment I have been steadily picking up players over the last couple of weeks so recruitment time will be short as I already have half the players I need.

Once lmp's game has finished I will open recruitment on the TiG thread and give the rules and roles etc. I'm hoping to get my game started only two/three days after lmp's finishes so make sure you feel able to play another so soon afterwards before you sign up!

If anyone wants to get in early and be put on the players list just PM me and on you will go. That would be really great actually, as I could start it very soon after then.

I'm not sure whether I should put this in the TiG thread yet as Kuru keeps yelling at people for putting things in there when they shouldn't, and he's a scary chap.

But whatever, my thanks go to Lommy and Nogrod for postponing their game and helping out with organisation. Diamond, don't fret, I don't mind. Guess I should have explained somewhere sooner.

So to sum up:
My game will start as soon as possible after lmp's.
If you want in PM me now or wait til lmp's finishes and sign up like normal.

[Mithalwen]

I would think that there might be some people who will be desperate for a more standard WW game. I only had to beg a couple of people to fill mine during Nilp's big game... and I can't be the only person who was daunted by LMP's...

[Diamond18]

Whether the one should be "the real WW" and the other "just junior", well, different people weight these differently. Maybe they should be similar-kind of threads (WW1 & WW2, or something), but at least I have no problem playing or modding a WWJ-game. Most of the best games I've had have been at the junior - and some of those playerlists in junior have just been quite awesome.

I wouldn't mind changing the distinctions of the games to something more on equal footing, since it seems that junior games can and have been just as complicated and newbies often feel free to join either set anyway. But I have a feeling that it's become more or less tradiiton to call these games "junior" and the others "senior" and it's hard to change tradition. For one Glirdan would have to change the name of this thread. :p

[Nogrod]

If anyone wants to get in early and be put on the players list just PM me and on you will go. That would be really great actually, as I could start it very soon after then.

I'm not sure whether I should put this in the TiG thread yet as Kuru keeps yelling at people for putting things in there when they shouldn't, and he's a scary chap.


Good to hear from you Kath.

Maybe you should PM lmp about putting this message into the TiG-thread. I can't see a reason for him to refuse that - if you there clearly state, that the recruiting will happen via PM's = no talk in the thread itself after this announcement.

And nice to have this announcement at least here in public!

Just wait for a mass invasion on your PM-account... :eek:

[Kath]

*shamelessly advertises*

Hey Mith, if it's a small game you're looking for that is what mine will be!


EDIT: Yes Nogrod I will PM lmp, good idea.

[Diamond18]

I would think that there might be some people who will be desperate for a more standard WW game. I only had to beg a couple of people to fill mine during Nilp's big game... and I can't be the only person who was daunted by LMP's...

I was thinking that it could be left up to the particular Mod's discretion, instead of saying that all senior games must be large and all junior games must be small. Seeing as how it already hasn't turned out that way even with the labels.

[Mithalwen]

I wouldn't mind changing the distinctions of the games to something more on equal footing

I think the distinctions have been blurred, and certainly noone could call your game a junior one Diamond ducky!!!! But for myself - sinceI have a rather erratic lifestyle, I can only join games when I know when and roughtly fo rhow long they are taking place ..the ones with lengthy gestation periods where you sign up well in advance for an unknown start date are not an option. I don't haunt these games only in a futile attempt to avoid the players who scare me most :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

I can hardly deny the divine right of Mods!!! I am more making the point that while there is a place for big and/or innovative games short and simple can be good too......

[Nogrod]

= MIth
I would think that there might be some people who will be desperate for a more standard WW game.

= Kath
*shamelessly advertises*
Hey Mith, if it's a small game you're looking for that is what mine will be!

The werepenguin game by me and Lommy will also probably be quite basic. But we shall see to that. It will depend a lot also on the fact, how many players are wishing to join etc. Anyhow: we are not going to put up a 30-player game with totally new twists on the basic gaming-logics. So at least in that sense, quite basic.

= Diamond
But I have a feeling that it's become more or less tradiiton to call these games "junior" and the others "senior" and it's hard to change tradition.
I agree with this. And wouldn't be the one to actually suggest anything like changing the names of the threads / games. I just have the impression, that some people still think there is a difference in quality between the two - and welll, if they don't come to the WWJ games because of that, that's all the worse for them. They lose there, not us who play also in the WWJ... :D

[Mithalwen]

Ooh they are fighting over me!! LOL ;) Oh come on there must be other potential loose cannons / spiritual descendents of Basil Fawlty you can recruit to liven things up :rolleyes:

[littlemanpoet]

The original reason for TiG-J was that there were more available players than games.

TiG was meant to be the main carrier of werewolf games.

TiGJ was meant to be available if there were enough players to play a second werewolf game while the first was already going.

I see no reason why the original purpose need be dropped. As soon as the next moderator has enough available playeres, the next TiG-J werewolf game can start, regardless of when Dueling Wizards is complete.

[Nogrod]

I see no reason why the original purpose need be dropped. As soon as the next moderator has enough available playeres, the next TiG-J werewolf game can start, regardless of when Dueling Wizards is complete.

Well, we hit the problem earlier this spring, as (due to the overall crush to a WWJ-game) there were not enough people to play a game (in TiG). After that there has been discussion, whether the games should be intertwined more neatly. But I'm sure we will come to a good arrangement. After Kath informs us that her game (TiG) is full, we may start to recruit people to our game here (TiGJ) - and start the game, when it's convenient to us & the players.

So I don't see this as a major problem, but just something that has to be organized sensibly after hearing different opinions and peoples needs & hopes. And surely, if Kath is in a hurry and we (Lommy & I ) are not, it's just right, that Kath goes on with her game first...

[Thinlómien]

I'm just to say I agree with all Nogrod has said on the upcoming days. He never asked me, you know.... :p

Anyway, I'd prefer our game start around the 5th of June. That would be perfect for me.

[Mithalwen]

Parents are like that.... :rolleyes: ...

I do thinkk it is an oversimplification to regard WWJ as mere overspill though...grrrr

[Nogrod]

I'm just to say I agree with all Nogrod has said on the upcoming days. He never asked me, you know.... :p

Anyway, I'd prefer our game start around the 5th of June. That would be perfect for me.
:D
I would disagree a little with the first part. I said that our game would (probably) be fairly basic - as we have discussed, and that we would have to see how this turns out, and what are people's needs etc. before we make definitive timetables. And about the (possible) deadline we have talked too.

And about that starting date we have been discussing as our favourite, but as I said earlier, we will have to see. It would surely be the most convenient one.

= MIth
Parents are like that....
And children... :p

[The Saucepan Man]

I do thinkk it is an oversimplification to regard WWJ as mere overspill though...grrrrOh, I think that it's gone way beyond that now. Diamond's game was one of the most demanding (for me) and exciting that I have played.

I agree that, for tradition's sake, we should continue to refer to these games as "junior" games, but they should by no means be regarded as inferior in any way. That's the reason I tend to use inverted commas when referring to them.

I rather like the idea of games alternating between the senior and "junior" divisions. It works well, allowing players to move straight from one game to another, with recruitment having taken place for the next game during the closing stages of the previous one.

Would it not be best simply for Kath to move her game to the "junior" division and for the Noglommie game to take place in the "senior" division? Then recruitment for Kath's game can start up here.

[Kath]

Because many of the players involved in my game are in lmp's. Also that would mess up Lommy and Nogrod's timings.

[The Saucepan Man]

Because many of the players involved in my game are in lmp's. Also that would mess up Lommy and Nogrod's timings.But if your game is not starting until Elempi's finishes, then they can sign up while it's still running. And it shouldn't make any difference to the timings. Lomrod's game would still follow on from yours, and therefore on the same timescale.

[Kath]

They are signing up while it's running :) But if I'm going to start it after lmp's whether it is in here or in there where's the point in moving it?

[Diamond18]

Lomrod. *snerk*

SpM, I think that we're just going to skip a Junior game, so to speak, as was discussed prior to LMP's game, and the Lomrod game taking place after Kath's will get us back into the Junior/Senior alternation.

[The Saucepan Man]

But if I'm going to start it after lmp's whether it is in here or in there where's the point in moving it?As you will. I just thought that it might be easier if you could run recruitment and other pre-game discussions here.

[Mithalwen]

And children... :p


Ah but the fun starts when the roles are reversed. Giving the , "What time do you call this? " speech to your parents is hysterical. The surviving Aged Parent was sensible (or foolish) enough to set up an Enduring Power of Attorney after a major episode of ill health so he is theoretically now at the mercy of my self and the Unpleasant Sibling, and we have the concern of whether our widowed aunt's new boyfriend is suitable / good enough for her.... :p

And yes, it will be interesting to see what Miss 18 comes up with when she decides to mod a "senior" game

[Kath]

As you will. I just thought that it might be easier if you could run recruitment and other pre-game discussions here.
Cheers Sauce for thinking of it, but recruitment is going well and there will be little pre-game discussion as I am a dictator and only one of my rules/roles will be talked over before I put it in.

[Thinlómien]

WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë

So what really happened to Elenwë? What was the fate of the Noldor lost on the Grinding Ice? Who were those guys with the black suits? Who was behind all that? What is the meaning of life anyway? And what has Cartesian Dualism to do with any of this?

This TiGJ-game will start in early June (after Kath’s game has been going on for a while)!

Book your tickets on this thread to take part in this adventure – and to test the effectiveness of Hume’s guillotine!

- Thinlómien & Nogrod

[Kath]

And if you're in my game, don't sign up on here until you've died! Else it will all get very confusing.

[Thinlómien]

And if you're in my game, don't sign up on here until you've died! Else it will all get very confusing.We agree. :)

[Valier]

One ticket for the adventures of Psychotic Penguins: The crossing of Helcaraxe please.......(I may not have time for Kath's, but will for this one:) )

[Diamond18]

I'd love to play in Kath's game but I think I must take a much needed rest from ww'ing after LMP's game. So this one should just about do me. Sign me up, Lomgrod.

[Nogrod]

So this one should just about do me. Sign me up, Lomgrod. Was this originally by Spm? Anyway, I like this. Just pure nonsense and still pretty usable shortening everyone understands...

[Naria]

I would like to play in your game. Please sign me up!


Hugs and kisses,
Naria :D


PS: What would our job descriptions pertain to?

[Thinlómien]

Hey, we're going to have a wonderful crew!

Players
Valier
Diamond18
Naria

PS: What would our job descriptions pertain to? Preferably something that the Noldor of Valinor could be.

[Valier]

One question about jobs.....Do they need to be serious or do you guys want silly occupations that still pertain to Noldorian Elves from Valinor?:D

[Nogrod]

One question about jobs.....Do they need to be serious or do you guys want silly occupations that still pertain to Noldorian Elves from Valinor?:D

Well, we thought about this and came into a conclusion that we don't basically need any occupations as such. But as the gamers will be elves from Turgon's and Elenwë's household, everyone should decide their relationship to those two. So in place of a job, you should come up with your role in the Turgon household - which might include a job, but might also be a kinship-relation or a friend of either or both of them.

PS. We won't be dead serious about this one, so go ahead!