Tol-in-Gaurhoth Junior

[Valier]

Can I be one of Elenwe's chamber maids? One whom she was close to and shared thoughts and feelings with? and would be still considered a young Elf?:D

[Nogrod]

Can I be one of Elenwe's chamber maids? One whom she was close to and shared thoughts and feelings with? and would be still considered a young Elf?:D
Surely! You'll be just that! :D

[Valier]

Why thank you!!! Also can you make her always sad....for when Elenwe was lost, I lost my closest friend and confidant.....Not sure if this matters or not, but it was fun to think of anyways:p :D

[Nogrod]

Check here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12872)!

The set up is ready!

(All discussion & signing in should be done here.)

[Thinlómien]

The WWJ IX: Psychotic Penguins: The Crossing of Helcaraxë -game will be quite basic.

We will take in 15-18 players (at most 20, but we prefer a smaller "village").

We will have three wolves, a seer, a ranger and a hunter. A cobbler can be discussed. In a 20-player game there will be 4 wolves.

No double lynchings (discussable in the situation of 20 villagers, but only for the few first days then).

Whether we use retractable votes or not, it's up to you, but it should be restricted to one swap per day.

We propose the deadline to be 10 or 11 pm GMT. All comments are welcome.


Summary of questions:
- Cobbler or not?
- Retractables (max. 2/ day) or not?
- 10-11 pm GMT or other?

[Macalaure]

I think I will try a game, sounds a lot of fun.

Sign me in!


(I probably won't be able to go online on the 12th and 13th, I hope it's not a problem. On the other hand, I'm surely cold and dead by then ;) )

[Nogrod]

I think I will try a game, sounds a lot of fun.

Sign me in!

You're most welcome, Macalaure!
(I probably won't be able to go online on the 12th and 13th, I hope it's not a problem. On the other hand, I'm surely cold and dead by then ;) ) No problem with that.

Lommy & Noggy

[Valier]

My picks:)

++Cobbler

++Retractable votes

++11pm GMT (5pm CST my time)

[tom bombariffic]

Can I be on standby in case anyone drops out at the last minute?

I'm playing in Kath's game but It will be my first one, so will probably be dead after 20 minutes. Bearing in mind people often seem to drop out late on, I'd love to take their place since I'll almost certainly be available.

bombariffic

[Nogrod]

Can I be on standby in case anyone drops out at the last minute?

I'm playing in Kath's game but It will be my first one, so will probably be dead after 20 minutes. Bearing in mind people often seem to drop out late on, I'd love to take their place since I'll almost certainly be available.

Taking your "fate" into consideration, welcome! It's hard to be in two games simultaneously - if not impossible - but if you die before we start, there is no problem with you participating. We'll put you down with an ? to begin with (myself & Lommy are in Kath's game too).

[Nogrod]

We have lots of time to gather this game, but just to make things clear, here are the first enlistements.

Players
Valier Elenwe's secret chamber maid: one whom she was close to and shared thoughts and feelings with, and is still considered a young Elf
Diamond18: Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë.
Naria
Macalaure
bombarrific ?

Please pick a relationship to Turgon or Elenwë and come forwards with it.

A summary of questions so far:
- Cobbler or not? (1 yes)
- Retractables (max. 2/ day) or not? (1 yes)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (one times 11)

[Diamond18]

I'll be Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë

[Nogrod]

Your point updated in the tally...

Nice to see my wife saying herself to be half-witted... In the earlier game she would have hit me with a battledore for trying to propose this myself! :cool:

Love you Di!

[Valier]

Ummm LomGrod could you perhaps make my title simply Elenwe's secret chamber maid....sounds more mysterious and exciting.:rolleyes: :D

[Diamond18]

Nice to see my wife saying herself to be half-witted... In the earlier game she would have hit me with a battledore for trying to propose this myself! :cool:

Well you know, one can't play the same character every game. :D (Well, one can, but one doesn't want to.)

[The Saucepan Man]

I'll be Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of ElenwëThere goes another crime for Diamond the serial canon offender to confess ... ;)

[Thinlómien]

Players
Valier - Elenwe's secret chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë.
Naria
Macalaure
Lalaith

If they die early enough in Kath's game:
tom bombarrific
Nilpaurion Felagund

And sorry for flooding the thread: The only problem with two mods is that we can't edit each other's posts and I can't wait Noggie to edit his... :rolleyes:

And I could maybe add this as well:

Please pick a relationship to Turgon or Elenwë and come forwards with it.

A summary of questions so far:
- Cobbler or not? (1 yes)
- Retractables (max. 2/ day) or not? (1 yes)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (one times 11)

[Macalaure]

I'd like to be

Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer

I see some kind of connection between playing Werewolf and kinslaying. :D


Besides:

Cobbler - yes
Retractable votes - no
End of day - 10 pm GMT (this is 11 pm in Central Europe, if I'm right)

[Mithalwen]

Ummm LomGrod could you perhaps make my title simply Elenwe's secret chamber maid....sounds more mysterious and exciting.:rolleyes: :D


Sounds more like you are the privy councillor or rather cleaner... :p

[Valier]

Sounds more like you are the privy councillor or rather cleaner..
I know!!! After looking at it I don't think I got the title right....I wanted to be hmmmmm ah perhaps what I am looking for is assistant? like someone who does your hair and turns down your covers and what not.... Ya more like a personal assistant I think:D :p

[Mithalwen]

I know!!! After looking at it I don't think I got the title right....I wanted to be hmmmmm ah perhaps what I am looking for is assistant? like someone who does your hair and turns down your covers and what not.... Ya more like a personal assistant I think:D :p

Handmaid? But having read Margaret Attwood....

[Nogrod]

I know!!! After looking at it I don't think I got the title right....I wanted to be hmmmmm ah perhaps what I am looking for is assistant? like someone who does your hair and turns down your covers and what not.... Ya more like a personal assistant I think
I took a look at my dictionaries. Would you like to be a "maid of honour"? What I was looking after was the word "courtier", but that seems to be a male-word. How does it sound to you native speakers? There surely is the "courtesan", but that seems to carry some pretty heavy associations with it... :D

Would just a "maid" do? A personal maid f.ex.? Is the following right with you (I'll change it as is needed)?

So an update (sorry Lommy... :rolleyes: )

Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria -
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress

tom bombarrific ?
Nilpaurion Felagund ?

Please pick a relationship to Turgon or Elenwë and come forwards with it.

A summary of questions so far:
- Cobbler or not? (2 yes)
- Retractables (max. 2/ day) or not? (1 yes - 1 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (one time 10, one 11)

[Valier]

Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid


Sounds great!! Sorry about all that:D

[Lalaith]

I'll be Aredhel's tutoress - I'd say governess but that sounds too frumpy.
I'm busy fostering her rebellious and independent spirit...

[Mithalwen]

Sounds great!! Sorry about all that:D

Lady in waiting makes it sound moreas if you do nice stuff rather than just empty waste paper baskets and provie clean towels:D

[Nogrod]

Now as Lmp's game is over, I believe Kath's game will begin within days.

We will probably stick to our plan of starting the game at earliest on June 3rd, probably a day or two later. That will depend mainly on the number of people enlisted so far.

Welcome!

PS. Check the intro from the sig.

[Firefoot]

All right, sign me up.

Can I be one of Aredhel's friends? Is that close enough to a relationship with Elenwe or Turgon?

My votes:

Yes, cobbler; it's a fun role to have around...
I don't particularly care about retractable votes; I've been in enjoyable games with both, but if you need some sort of tie-breaker, I'd say no retractables.
10-11 GMT works brilliantly. I'm not particular about the exact time.

[Diamond18]

I say sure, let's have a cobbler.

I don't care about the time.

Let's have retractable votes but with a limit of one switch per day.

What about revealing or not revealing roles upon death? What do you plan to do for that?

[Nogrod]

Welcome Firefoot! Nice to see you.

Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria -
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
tom bombarrific ?
Nilpaurion Felagund ?

What about revealing or not revealing roles upon death? What do you plan to do for that?
That is a harder one. Lommy will be at my place tomorrow and we will have to discuss it. But surely we would like to hear your comments about it too.

So yes or no?

A summary of questions so far:
- Cobbler or not? (4 yes - 0 for no)
- Retractables (max. 2 votes/ day) or not? (2 yes - 2 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (1 for 10 - 1 for 11)
- Revealing or not revealing roles upon death (0 votes so far)

[Thinlómien]

Because there have been various variations of the hunter and they all have had some funny faults (eg. the hunter surrounded by three wolves at night begs the wolves to wait for a second so she could run to an innocent villager's house and kill him) we would like to introduce a new hunter called the logical hunter.

The logical hunter works as follows:
- she can change her pick whenever she wants to
- if she has picked a wolf and is attacked at night she will take her pick with her
- if she has picked someone who has voted her she will take her pick with her when lynched
- so the logical hunter does not take innocents/gifteds with her when killed by the wolves nor take someone who hasn't voted her with her when lynched

Questions and comments are welcome.

[Glirdan]

I wish you two the best of luck with this game as I need to take a break. But if you don't have enough people for your game to start up, don't hesitate to ask. ;)

[JennyHallu]

Still looking for players? I'm interested. Since you're not starting until after Kath's game I'll get a break, and I'm interested to see what you've come up with.

I'll be...hm...uh...um...drrr....hmmmm....

An embroiderer? How dull...But that's what I am. Oh and relationship...I'm not related. I'm lost. Got separated from my folks and all that.

[Diamond18]

I like the idea of the "logical hunter." It will make the wolves think twice about killing in the Night, and it still leaves the Hunter with the opportunity to mess up (should s/he be lynched) and kill an innocent or gifted. So the Hunter is strong yet not fool-proof. Should be fun to try out in this game.

[Nogrod]

We can't promise you Jenny that we wait until Kath's game is over, but surely it will be on its final stages when we start.

We would have to be done with this game on something like the 20th of June (Lommy: correct me if I remember this incorrectly). That would mean that we should start on the 8th of June the latest, or something. We still have lots of vacancies on the village, but Kath's game has a host of players and some of them start to drop out from it tomorrow on - and some of them have already shown their interest if they are dropped. So we just see when the roster is full and start then. (Full roster = ideally the basic 16 players, or possibly a few more)

Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria -
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
Jenny - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
tom bombarrific ?
Nilpaurion Felagund ?

And please, make your vote on the following:
A summary of questions so far
- Cobbler or not? (4 yes - 0 for no)
- Retractables (max. 2 votes/ day) or not? (2 yes - 2 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (1 for 10 - 1 for 11 - 0 for other)
- Revealing or not revealing roles upon death (0 votes so far)

PS. We thought about that revealing the roles stuff yesterday together and thought of a third possibility of not saying it straight but leaving hints to the roles of the dead, but quite soon we saw that it would be really tough job. Something like anagramms made by the "Anagrammatical Parrot" (in the narration) could be fun, but then we should play it in Finninsh and not in English! :D Somehow I like myself the basic game where the roles are told, but will not be against a different ruling if the players wish so.

[Valier]

I vote for

++Revealing the roles

I like to know who got killed and their role.:)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Well I'm with Glirdan on this, I think I should take some time off Werewolf besides I'm sure people will be glad to have me out off their hair, I haven't quite been in form lately... :p

[Roa_Aoife]

OKay, sign me up!

Uh, my role is... um... I'll get back to you on that.

++Cobbler
++Retractable votes if they're limited (only so many retractions a day)
++10-11 pm GMT
--Role revelation, but ++Tallies

As for the "logical hunter" - the role of the hunter has always been a sort of Russian Roulette. S/he gets to kill whoever they want, other wise it's just an extra seer that happens to be deadly. Being a good hunter requires a certain skill set- confidence, discretion, etc- and if you take away the risk, then you take away the challenge of the role. I don't know about the rest of you, but I would enjoy the challenge more than I would enjoy reduced risk. As for narration difficulties, I've never seen a mod be unable to make it work.

That said, the logical hunter might not be so bad, as long as there are no automatic wolf kills, because those really aren't fair. I think they should be able to kill whomever they wish if they're lynched, though.

[Naria]

Well I will go with

++ for all of the above mentioned in Nogrod's post :D

However, since I am very unclear about what Lomgrod is doing with the Hunter I don't really have an opinion about that. Could someone possibly clarify for me....in layman's terms please? The only thing I would have to say about it is, please don't mess with the simplicity of the Hunter too much....that person can and will do what they must in order to perform their task(if that person has their wits about them :p ). So....yeah, clarity would be nice. Thanks

[Thinlómien]

Naria, I let Noggie clarify it to you, since that was the clearest way I managed to say it.

And we have to people more "onboard".

Welcome, Roa and phantom!

[Nogrod]

Ok. I try it once more.

The Logical hunter:
- Picks someone "to watch", and can change her pick any time of the Day or Night. So basically she might chance her pick every five minutes... (that would be annoying to us though). So unlike the Seer and the Ranger, she is free to change her mind when she wishes.
- If she has picked a wolf and the wolves come to kill her during the night, she will kill the wolf she has picked - and dies herself, of course. If she has picked a villager, she is "caught unawares" by the wolves and no one else dies.
- Hunter-lynch: if she has picked one of those who have voted for her she will take that one with her when lynched. Here is the clue to our idea. When the Hunter sees / suspects that she will be lynched, she will have to start checking those who have voted for her. So whether to try to play safe and pick someone who has not voted for her (so that no innocents die), or whether to try take someone with her (picking someone who has voted for her) and take the consequences: killing a villager, posssibly a gifted - or become the hero and take a bandwagoning wolf with her. That should provide the Hunter some nerve-wrecking hours before the deadline... :p

Retractables:
In Kath's game right now underway we saw again some toying with the retractables (there is unlimited number of them in that game). I personally don't like that - and Lommy neither (at least she says so in the game - that might be bluff, surely... :) ). But I would suggest one retraction / Day for RL reasons. One doesn't always know, whether one is able to come back before the deadline. So in this situation the possibility of retracting your vote once would help a lot as you could secure that you vote - and would have the possibility of recasting your vote in a situation where you actually manage to come back before the deadline and see that things have changed.

But that's up to you.

And yes, welcome Roa and phantom! Nice to see you here!

[Boromir88]

Nogrod, if you still have room, I would love to join in. My early exit from WW has left me...dissappointed so to say. If of course there is still enough room.

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, if you still have room, I would love to join in. My early exit from WW has left me...dissappointed so to say. If of course there is still enough room.
Surely: you are most welcome! Just pick a relation to Turgon and Elenwë...

Updated playerlist:
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria -
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
Jenny - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Roa -
phantom -
Boromir -
tom bombarrific ?
Nilpaurion Felagund ?

The best day to start the game for us might be 5th or 6th of June (the Night-phase). Let's see how the recruiting goes, but so far it's looking very good indeed (and there will be people off from Kath's game everyday...).

And the tallies to our questions, please continue voting:
- Cobbler or not? (6 yes - 0 for no)
- Retractables (max. 2 votes/ day) or not? (4 yes - 2 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (1 for 10 - 1 for 11 - 0 for other: most saying yes to both)
- Revealing or not revealing roles upon death (2 for - 1 against)

[Diamond18]

Can I make a request? When we refer to past games, can we just do it plainly? I'm all for fun with roleplay, but the whole "my lorebooks say..." and "her ancestors have done..." etc. I find all rather tedious. I mean, we all know what we're talking about anyway so I'd rather just be able to say it out than obfuscate it with analogy. So... pretty please? :)

[Valier]

I completely agree with Diamond on this one!! I found it hard to keep remembering to put in the lorebook, I think we have enough stuff to worry about.:p :D

[Boromir88]

Ty Nogrod, so I think I'll be The Mouth of Fingon (or Fingon's Ambassador) whatever you prefer. :p

I would like to see the Cobbler back, and I think roles should be revealed upon death.

The other two, I'm indifferent on, I'm for either one. :)

[Roa_Aoife]

Relationship/role- Elenwe's personal guard

Can I do that?

I agree with Diamond and Valier- we usually just end up slipping out of the role play anyways.

[Naria]

Hmmmm.....I'll be the family's goat herder!

Question, does either Lommy or Noggy know exactly what day the game will be starting on? I'm gettin' kinda antsy for another game :eek: :D

[Thinlómien]

Update
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria - Family's goat herder
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
Jenny - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Roa - Elenwë's personal guard
phantom -
Boromir - The Mouth of Turgon
tom bombarrific ?
Nilpaurion Felagund ?

And the tallies to our questions, please continue voting:
- Cobbler or not? (7 yes - 0 for no)
- Retractables (max. 2 votes/ day) or not? (4 yes - 2 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (1 for 10 - 1 for 11 - 0 for other: most saying yes to both)
- Revealing or not revealing roles upon death (2 for - 1 against)

Question, does either Lommy or Noggy know exactly what day the game will be starting on? I'm gettin' kinda antsy for another game :D No, we don't. It's the 5th or the 6th, as Noggie said before.

Relationship/role- Elenwe's personal guard

Can I do that?Yes, you can, though you might be accused of being a bit careless... :p

About refering to the past games... For us it's all the same, so you can say "in the previous games" or "my lorebooks say" or whatever you wish.

and Lommy neither (at least she says so in the game - that might be bluff, surely... ) No, I don't like them. Besides they give a huge advantage for those living in the kind of timezone that they're not sleeping/working at the deadline. But I think the one-time retraction'd be fine, if you players prefer it to no retractions.

Naria, I hope you got the idea of the logical hunter...

Boromir, you maybe should think why the ambassador of Fingon was marching with Turgon's host. Or is he Fingon's ambassador to Turgon?

[Boromir88]

Lommy, or how about I just be an Ambassador of Turgon himself? :)

[Thinlómien]

Lommy, or how about I just be an Ambassador of Turgon himself? :):) Agreed. I've corrected that to my post above.

[Thinlómien]

Update

Players
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria - Family's goat herder
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
Jenny - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Roa - Elenwë's personal guard
phantom -
Boromir - The Mouth of Turgon
spawn -

And the tallies to our questions, please continue voting:
- Cobbler or not? (7 yes - 0 for no)
- Retractables (max. 2 votes/ day) or not? (4 yes - 2 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (1 for 10 - 1 for 11 - 0 for other: most saying yes to both)
- Revealing or not revealing roles upon death (2 for - 1 against)

Now we need relationships to Turgon or Elenwë and their household from the phantom and our newest recruit spawn.

[Lalaith]

I'm not a big fan of cobblers but I'll go with the majority. Nor am I a fan of retractable voting, but ditto. End of voting time, I'll fit in with whatever suits the mod.
The only thing I do have strong opinions on is that I'd really like to know roles on death.

[Nogrod]

We would like to start the game on Tuesday or Wednesday (June 6th or 7th), if we just have enough players by then (we are four players short by now - but we might take a couple of more, not too many though). We have now PM'd a couple of people and hope Kath's game will provide us with one or two more before our planned starting date.

The game will begin with the Night-phase, as usual: the werecreatures making their initial plans and the Seer coming up with a dream.

Lalaith: if we go with the retraction option, it will be only once/Day. The idea being, that they can be used in need (RL insecurities). But as it is impossible to make any ruling that could be controlled and that would not just hinder the gameplay (everyone explaining their situation at every twist of their RL), everyone is granted to do whatever they see fit to use their one retraction.

[Glirdan]

I have a suggestion for anybody without an occupation. I noticed that Boro was being The Mouth of Turgon. Why not have someone be The Mouth Of Turgon's Dentist? :D :p

[Boromir88]

Haha, Glirdan, but I would bet that Turgon's mouth is full of pearly whites as he would have top of the line Gondolin dentists. :p

[Kitanna]

I think I can play if there's still room.

[Lalaith]

Yes, I see the point, Noggie. If only Azaelia, for example, had had a retractable vote... ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

Just something I'd like to point out- including Kath, we have 12 players. With 3 wolves, a seer, a hunter, a ranger, and a cobbler, those with special roles willl out number ordinary villagers. May I suggest holding off on the cobbler until we know we will have more players? Perhaps if Tom and Nilp concrete their presence?

[Thinlómien]

Just something I'd like to point out- including Kath, we have 12 players. With 3 wolves, a seer, a hunter, a ranger, and a cobbler, those with special roles willl out number ordinary villagers. May I suggest holding off on the cobbler until we know we will have more players? Perhaps if Tom and Nilp concrete their presence? We have no intention to play with only 12 players. We're going to recruit 3 more at least before starting.

Welcome, Kitanna, there's room. :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Noggins, your PM box was full so I'll post this here.

Thanks for the invite. I'd love to play, but I will be away for a week, beginning 14 June, so the timing ain't great for me. You have some great players there, so I shall be sorry to miss it. But I'll be sure to keep an eye on it.

[Encaitare]

I'd like to play. :) I shall be a standard-bearer... a bit unwieldy in the wind, but it helps keep people from getting lost.

And my voting...

Cobbler: yes
Retractable Votes: yes
10-11 PM GMT: I believe that's 5-6 EST... not the best time for me but I can work with it
Reveal roles?: yes

[Nogrod]

Updated things...

Players
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria - Family's goat herder
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
Jenny - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Roa - Elenwë's personal guard
phantom -
Boromir - The Mouth of Turgon
spawn -
Kitanna -
Encaitare - A standard-bearer

And the tallies to our questions, please continue voting:
- Cobbler or not? (8 yes - 1 for no)
- Retractables (max. 2 votes/ day) or not? (5 yes - 3 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (1 for 10 - 1 for 11 - 0 for other: most saying yes to both)
- Revealing or not revealing roles upon death (4 for - 1 against)

We need relationships to Turgon or Elenwë and their household from phantom, spawn and Kitanna.

13 players in. Two more and off we go!

We will take at most 4-5 more, but won't be waiting for them if 15 is reached on tuesday/wednesday...

[Thinlómien]

Players who don't post occupations before the game begins will be servants who emptiy and clean chamber pots.

[Kitanna]

Players who don't post occupations before the game begins will be servants who emptiy and clean chamber pots.
I'm fine with cleaning chamber pots, I'm too lazy/uncreative to think of something better.

[Anguirel]

Oh, blast, I can't resist after all. I'll be pretty quiet for the first day or two though.

I shall be Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist.

Oh, and:

++NO COBBLER
++RETRACTABLE VOTES
++10 GMT
++DON'T REVEAL DEATHS

[JennyHallu]

Yay! Ang! *hugs*


--cobbler
++retractable votes (although I do prefer chaos-voting)
++10 pm GMT (or BST? could you confirm the GMT?)
++reveal deaths

[Thinlómien]

Great to have you in the game, Ang. :)

Players
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria - Family's goat herder
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
Jenny - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Roa - Elenwë's personal guard
phantom -
Boromir - The Mouth of Turgon
spawn -
Kitanna - servant who empties and cleans chamber pots
Encaitare - A standard-bearer
Anguirel - Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist

And the tallies to our questions, please continue voting:
- Cobbler or not? (8 yes - 3 for no)
- Retractables (max. 2 votes/ day) or not? (7 yes - 3 no)
- 10-11 pm GMT or other? (3 for 10 - 1 for 11 - 0 for other: most saying yes to both)
- Revealing or not revealing roles upon death (5 for - 2 against)

(or BST? could you confirm the GMT?) It's GMT.

As Kitanna is now the pot emptier, I think I must think of another punishment occupation... It will be animals' dung cleaning specialist, unless we manage to come up with something else.

One player more, and we can start. Great.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, if we get one player more before 10PM GMT today, we're going to start the game then.

The game will start 10PM GMT.

The game will start with a Night phase.

The roles will be given out before the game starts.

- We're going to have a cobbler.
- There will be one retraction per person per day.
- The roles will be revealed upon death.

All narrations are and will be written in co-operation by me and Nogrod. (So all comments positive and negative, to both of us.)

[Kath]

Just to confirm with you both though I assume Lommy already told you Nogrod, I won't be playing. I'm so sorry, I wanted to! But the exams have come upon me at last :(

Good luck, I'll be reading along.

[Thinlómien]

Just to confirm with you both though I assume Lommy already told you Nogrod, I won't be playing. I'm so sorry, I wanted to! But the exams have come upon me at last :(
Good luck, I'll be reading along.Yes, I did. But Kath, have good luck in the exams and I hope we can provide you some exciting reading! :D

[Nogrod]

Does anyone know, whether it's the norm to count a cobbler as
a) a villager
b) a wolf
c) not at all
in the final count when deciding whether the wolves have won or not?

So if there are two ordinaries, two wolves, and a cobbler, how it goes with the standard interpretation?

We would be happy to hear the standard rule as we are not sure about it...

[Naria]

So if there are two ordinaries, two wolves, and a cobbler, how it goes with the standard interpretation?

I'm pretty sure that in this case that the wolves would win(in fact I'm really sure :p ). The Cobbler is just there to mess with everyone's heads, since they, like the ordos in the game do not know who is who. The Cobbler is pretty much on their own team and doing what they must to "help" the wolves, but they wouldn't count as part of the wolf team in the end. Hope this helps a little. :D

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

So if there are two ordinaries, two wolves, and a cobbler, how it goes with the standard interpretation?Basically, in that case there are three villagers and two wolves left which means that the wolves need to make yet one kill in order to win, but if it's Day, any Cobbler that wants to play safe votes for themselves, the two wolves add their votes on the poor Cobbler and by the nightfall, there they are with two ordos against two wolves, so the baddies win. If it's a Night, the wolves will get their victory after the Night's kill, that's how it usually goes.

I think I must think of another punishment occupation... It will be animals' dung cleaning specialist Well, someone has to do that, too, right? :p

[Lalaith]

I think the cobbler counts on the wolf side...this was the case in Diamond's game, I'm pretty sure...(shudders at memory of GoosePanMan)

[Thinlómien]

Thanks for everyone. :)

We have our rules now.

[Valier]

So are we actually starting today? It would be nice to know for sure.:D

[Thinlómien]

Okay, spawn, you're animals' dung cleaning specialist. :p

And damn, now I have to think of a new punishment occupation unless we want to have more of those dung specialists in our "village". (That concerns only the phantom at the moment.) It will be The Royal Saliva Wiper.

One player missing, has anyone any idea of a player who'd want to join now so that we could start today?

If someone dies in Kath's game toNight - and if it isn't either of us - (same deadline, 10 PM GMT) and would like to join and be online at the moment, we could take her/him in and start the Night one hour later than the normal deadline.

Without one more player we will not start the game before tomorrow. There is still 2½ hours to go.

[Diamond18]

I think the cobbler counts on the wolf side...this was the case in Diamond's game, I'm pretty sure...(shudders at memory of GoosePanMan)

Technically SpM counted as a villager, but for my narration I let him live happily ever after with Kath. The last day had Kath, SpM, Nogrod, and Not-Cailin alive. So when Kath and SpM lynched Nogrod, that reverted to a Night Phase in which Kath killed Not-Cailin. Then it was left one wereduck and one villager, Kath and SpM, meaning Kath won. I just fudged the narration a bit so that the night kill happened during the day right after the lynching of Nogrod.

[Thinlómien]

We're still hoping to start today... *sigh*

But even with 14 players we're going to start tomorrow, then we're just not going to have a cobbler.

If we have 15 players or more, we can have the cobbler.

[Thinlómien]

We still need one more player and will accept four to five at maximum. The game will start tomorrow this time unless we get one player in one hour. (The Night1 will just be one hour shorter then.)

[Eonwe]

I'm in! Hopefully I will have more time to devote to this fine village!

(How was that for being punctual, eh? ;) )

[Thinlómien]

Great! :D

Game starts in an hour with Night One (one hour later than the normal deadline). We're waiting for the possible new player from Kath's game.

Eonwe, if you have any ideas of the role (relation to Turgon and/or Elenwë), please post it here.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, it seems there are no adds from Kath's game.

Roles will be PMed soon.

Players
Valier - Elenwe's personal chamber maid
Diamond18 - Dimwë the half-wit second cousin of Elenwë
Naria - Family's goat herder
Macalaure - Turgon's nephew and part-time-repentant kinslayer
Lalaith - Aredhel's tutoress
Firefoot- Aredhel's friend
Jenny - An Embroiderer, lost, not related
Roa - Elenwë's personal guard
phantom -
Boromir - The Mouth of Turgon
spawn - animals' dung cleaning specialist
Kitanna - servant who empties and cleans chamber pots
Encaitare - A standard-bearer
Anguirel - Lalwende's semi-canonical lutenist and Findis's demi-canonical flautist
Eonwe -

[Kath]

Ooh yeah sorry about that. Blame the Ranger!

[Glirdan]

Well, Lommy, Nogrod, if you would still like me to play (just got your invite), I will play. And if you guys do, make sure my occupation is The Mouth Of Turgon's Dentist!! :D

[Thinlómien]

Well, Lommy, Nogrod, if you would still like me to play (just got your invite), I will play. And if you guys do, make sure my occupation is The Mouth Of Turgon's Dentist!! :D
Sorry, Glirdy, we just sent the roles. :( Hope to see you in some other game in future!

[Thinlómien]

The game has now begun.

The deadline is 10 pm GMT.

Eonwe and phantom, you have 23 hours and 15 minutes to come up with a relation unless you want to be Royal Saliva Wipers...

[Eonwe]

How about Turgon's herald?

[Thinlómien]

How about Turgon's herald?Okay.

[Thinlómien]

I add now a new rule that we forgot from the rule post:

There will be no clues in the narrations.

[Thinlómien]

Players!

There was a mistake in the rules:
- Everyone has a choice of her/his vote once each Day

Well, naturally that's true :rolleyes:, but the intention was to say:

- Everyone has a choice of retracting her/his vote once each Day.

I've corrected it now.

Just to make sure you know that there's a possibility of one retraction/day if you didn't know it already.

[Diamond18]

I'm confused about the deadline. 10 PM GMT should be 4 PM my time (CDT), but Day 1 started at 5 PM my time.

[Nogrod]

I'm confused about the deadline. 10 PM GMT should be 4 PM my time (CDT), but Day 1 started at 5 PM my time.
The game started on Day1 at 10.01PM GMT

Check the current GMT from here:
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

[Roa_Aoife]

During Daylight savings time, you are at -5 GMT, not -6, as you normally are. So, 10PM GMT is 5 PM CDT. Nothing's wrong with your clock. ;)

Just look near the bottom of the page, and it will tell you what GMT you're set on.

[Diamond18]

Hmm, I think my problem is that all this time I've been thinking GMT time and the time in London is the same thing. And, apparently, it's not.

So 5 PM my time it is. Okay. So I'll be voting about an hour early. Not that it matters to anyone but me. :p

Roa, that depends on the clock. The one on the wall has been stopped at 9 AM for a couple days now, but the computer clock seems to be correct. ;)

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Diamond18]Hmm, I think my problem is that all this time I've been thinking GMT time and the time in London is the same thing. And, apparently, it's not.

QUOTE]


It is during the winter but we have BST to make the most of the long evenings :D Just be grateful they didn't continue the double summertime thing... then it would be 2hrs out

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I am here to inform you that, due to some event in Kuopio, dancing spawn of ungoliant will not be able to participate in toDAY's discussion. She will, however, be back by the next DAY. I think.

~non-dancing spawn-in-law of ungoliant

[Macalaure]

As I already mentioned, I won't be around on the next DAY. I'll try to post a quick vote in the morning, but I cannot promise that.

I will return to the ice at the end of the next DAY.

[Thinlómien]

Eonwe is pulling out because of RL reasons.

His death will be with toDay's lynch.

[the phantom]

Ang, here's the answer to your vote question.

That was totally my fault. I wanted Naria gone and was going to vote for her (I already had her vote typed in), but then I saw Enca's vote for her and I figured with two votes already and another couple likely on the way that I could toss my vote on you just for the sake of spreading votes around.

But after reworking a couple things in my post, I posted it as it was, forgetting to change Naria to Anguirel. I realized it instantly and changed it within ten seconds. Enca must've clicked on the page during that tiny window and saw my accidental ten-second Naria vote.

But after I edited it, I quickly recalled the "no editing" rule, and thought that I should change it back to what I had (Naria), and do an official retraction if I wished to switch to you. So I changed it back to Naria.

Your name was up for less than thirty seconds probably. It's unbelievable that you would click on the page in that window and no one else. Sorry about that.

Needless to say, I decided not to retract and vote for you. Partly because I wished Naria gone anyway, and also because I was in an extreme rush (which was why I made my error in the first place). My friend was literally standing over my shoulder poking me and saying "Hurry up!" (we were meeting some people to play basketball and I was running late- because of participation in this game, of course).

Anyway, I hope that explains everything.

[Naria]

I wanted Naria gone [/QUOTE

I[QUOTE] wished Naria gone anyway

*sigh* Ok ok, I get it!! I know you must not be the only one that feels this way. I'm so sorry that I can not play up to yours and others expectations. Most games I'm in I actually do try my best and talk more than I usually do, but this game I was not my usual "ww ninja" self. And even when I do try and talk more people still aren't satisfied :rolleyes:....I just don't know what to do about it. Therefore, I will be pulling myself out of ww for awhile.....I am sorry to those who don't mind playing with me. I have alot going on in my RL right now and I think it would be best to do this. I will hand my reps out as people die in Lomgrod's game then I will depart.

I love you all :)

Naria

[Anguirel]

phantom, I understand. Cool.

Naria, we love you too. Even if you are a murdering pile of feathers.

[the phantom]

Ok ok, I get it!! ..... I'm so sorry that I can not play up to yours and others expectations.
Oh, sweetie, don't take it so personally. My wanting you gone was strictly in the interest of preserving my beloved village, not because I hate your guts or anything.

See you in a future game. :)

(I plan on killing you in it, too) ;)
phantom, I understand. Cool.
Cool.

[Naria]

Oh, sweetie, don't take it so personally.

I know I shouldn't have....It just sounded so harsh when I read it.

My wanting you gone was strictly in the interest of preserving my beloved village, not because I hate your guts or anything.

I understand this completely; believe me. And I know that you don't hate my guts....how could you? Me being so love-able and all ;)

(I plan on killing you in it, too)

Ha ha....we'll see. I am going to use this time off to brush up on my "wax on, wax off" techniques! :D

[Valier]

Upcoming WW Junior Mod list

Samwise Gamgee
Glirdan
Valesse


Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I got it right.:D

[Diamond18]

It appears as if Samwise hasn't visited (or at least, posted) since March 26th. I hope he realizes it's his turn to mod!

[Mithalwen]

Perhaps we can get Eomer to remind him?

[Kath]

*waves* Lommy! I guessed the last penguin! Damn seems I'm too late :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

*waves* Lommy! I guessed the last penguin! Damn seems I'm too late :rolleyes:Congrats for you anyway... :D Did you guess the hunter too or did you believe tp?

Samwise has been online after the March date. I pmed him before our game and he answered the next day. Someone could maybe just pm him. Or then use Aimé for the informing purpose.

[Glirdan]

Yes, we need to find out if he can mod because I'm still in the planning stage (most of it is already done) for my game. Another thing, has anyone seen Sleepy about lately? Because i really can't start the game without him...

[Mithalwen]

Can I put my name down provisionally? I promise will give way to people who haven't modded so much :D

[Kath]

Congrats for you anyway... Did you guess the hunter too or did you believe tp?
I never believe tp. Force of habit.

[Thinlómien]

Another thing, has anyone seen Sleepy about lately? Because i really can't start the game without him...Not in the BD, but on MSN very often. If you wish me to inform him of something, PM me and I'll let him know via MSN if I get to be online the same time with him. (Which is not very rare.)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Just checking in. I'm still around, if anybody needs me drop me a PM or talk to me on MSN/AIM. Football has me busy, y'see and also I went ahead and got myself injured but that wasn't my fault... :rolleyes:

So Glirdy, what can I do for you?

[Valier]

So has anyone pmed Samwise yet? I missed out on Cailin's game and I am Hankerin' for another go at WW. If Samwise is not around perhaps Glirdan you could do your game and then Sam can go after you. Are you ready to go yet on your game Glirdan?:)

[Kath]

Maybe you should see if Eomer can get hold of Samwise?

[Valier]

I have pmed Eomer about contacting Samwise. Hopefully he can start his game soon or else pass his place to someone else.:D :)

[Glirdan]

Valier, my game is still in the planning buisness. However, if I need to, I can start the signing up. But it might not be until closer to when Cailin's game is over.

Sleepy, I need to know if you have the time to help with the backup modding. If not, I can get someone else to help instead.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Samwise is very busy indeed these days (new job; getting married; moving house). I know he'd love to mod a game sometime, but until he comes back to the Downs I would just go to the next name on the list. :)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Yeah, I have the time. :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Given the rude intrusion of RL upon Samwise ( ;) ) and the fact that Glirdan's game is still in the planning stage, I suggest that Valier goes ahead with her game.

That also seems fairest to me on the basis that Glirdan has already modded a game, whereas Valier hasn't yet.

[JennyHallu]

(actually she has (werecats) but it's all good)

[The Saucepan Man]

(actually she has (werecats) but it's all good)Oh yes, forgot about that one. Sorry.

Is there anyone who has previously expressed a desire to mod, who has not modded a game yet and who is ready to start recruiting? I do think it fairer to give preference to those who have not yet modded.

If not, then I suggest Valier should go ahead anyway if she's ready to start right away.

[Diamond18]

Um... sorry if I'm mistaken, but where did the idea that Valier wanted to mod next come from? She said she wanted another go at WW but I think she meant playing. Mith was the one who volunteered to mod should no "new" mods be ready to take the helm.

I don't believe Valesse has modded, and she's on the list. Valesse, are you ready to mod?

[Valier]

Actually I think it's Valesse's turn after Glirdan. I really didn't have it in mind that I would mod a game, I just wanted to play in one. Since I have modded a game before someone else can go if they are ready and willing. I would like to do a revenge of the Werecats soon, but I have not come up with anything concrete yet as to the story line. If Glirdan will be awhile with his planning yet maybe Valesse would like to jump on in. If noone is ready though I am sure I could whip something up if people want to play right away. Oh and thank you for the vote of confidence Saucepanman!:)

[Mithalwen]

I don't want to mod immediately - I have far too much planning to do - I just wanted to go on the list after Samwise, Glirdan, Valesse because it took about 3 months to get a slot last time.... I meant that having modded twice already I would be prepared to let a new moderator queue jump...

[Gil-Galad]

If you need a back-up mod let me know, exams are almost over for me so i'll be having free time.

[Glirdan]

Okay, I'm going to let everyone know where I stand right now. But first....

Sleepy, glad to know that you can help. So, if you can respond to that PM I sent you a few weeks back... :D

Gil, thanks for offering.

Anyway, back to letting everyone know where I stand... Exams are this week, so, until Tuesday, I have very limited time. However, I am quite willing to start the game ASAP. However, this means I will have to withdraw from Cailin's game... Wow, I'm in a predicament.

Okay, proposition. The day I die in Cailin's game, if Samewise has not returned (which wouldn't be the best thing for me [you'll all see why later]) I will start my game. This gives me time to continue planning and start the actual thread up.

How is that?

However, if someone else (coughValessecough ;) ) is ready to go, then I am quite willing to step down. Besides, my game is actually going to take a little time to get up on it's feet.

[Valesse]

As a procrastinator I can honestly say "I work best under pressure"... I swear its true!

I can moderate the next up coming game. However I do not have a back-up mod yet *eyes Mith and Gil*, but thats an easy thing to sort out.

It is to be stated that this game is going to be in the original style (dry, barebone) 1 seer, 3 wolves (if there are enough players), and a gaggle of villagers. I'm willing to start ASAP once the *eyes Mith and Gil* back-up mod is ready.

besides.. Glirdan sounds sick. He should take some time off :p

[The Saucepan Man]

Actually I think it's Valesse's turn after Glirdan.Arrgh! I was getting my Valiers and Valesses mixed up! Sorry, you two. Just ignore me. :rolleyes:

Oh and thank you for the vote of confidence Saucepanman!You are most welcome. Even if it was placed in error (but no less well-deserved for it). :D

I'm willing to start ASAP once the *eyes Mith and Gil* back-up mod is ready.That sounds the best plan all round to me. Although I've probably made another blunder somewhere along the line, so I'll just leave you folks to sort it out ... :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

besides.. Glirdan sounds sick. He should take some time off :rolleyes:

Me? Sick!? Never!! Well, sick of stress maybe...but that's another rant for another time. Anyway, thanks for stepping up Valesse. Just to let everyone know, I am willing to mod after Valesse if Samewise is not back. If he is, I'll wait.

[Gil-Galad]

Arrgh! I was getting my Valiers and Valesses mixed up! Sorry, you two. Just ignore me. :rolleyes:

oh we do :p


Well if you need any backup Mod let me know, also if you run short of them i'm also free.

[Valesse]

Nah, don't worry about it Saucy. I have a twin sister so I'm used to it. :p

I believe I'm ready to enlist players! However...in the case that I'm missing something and should wait until another game ends to do so... this post is a figment of your imagination. :rolleyes:

If anyone is interested please let me know! (also your career and instrument of choice).

[Valier]

May I ask what kind of career? Should our job go with our instrument? or do we just play in our spare time?

[Valesse]

The career does not have to relate to music or the instrument you decide on.

[Valier]

So you don't mind silly jobs? and do you have any idea as to what time day and night will start? I will be slightly busy the last week or so of this month, so I hope noone will mind but I may not be able to use my Valier style campaigns this time. I am 2-0 and I am afraid I may not make it 3-0 this time so just to keep that in mind...:D

[Valesse]

Silly jobs welcome if not encouraged, as it is a silly theme.

I'm still trying to think about what time would be best for the day-night/night-day translations, but it looks like 1 PM eastern will be it unless there are any conflictions. It'll be made clear before the game starts.

[Valier]

Alright! well you know I'm in!! I shall be the towns pickler (I pickle everything from apples to zebras, well maybe not zebras...but pretty much everything)who plays the Piccolo:p

Also if you start at 1pm est is that 2pm cst? if so that's fine with me.

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, definitely sign me up for this one.

It'll be nice to play in a bare bones game.

My intsrument shall be the double necked electric guitar!

And.... hm... I need an awesome job to go with an awesome instrument...

TRICK PILOT! WHEEEEE!

[Macalaure]

I'll be joining this one, too - if you want me.

My occupation shall be.. um... well,.. hang on.. sigh

an unskilled inventor of funny fake occupation ideas - on the verge of bancruptcy :rolleyes:

And I play the tuba. :)

[Mithalwen]

I am playing now instead of co-modding. I shall be a viola player - the traditional butt of orchestral musicians' jokes (please note....one of my best friends is a Viola player and I know they aren't really stupid!) but in the best tradition of werewolf game I shall embrace the prejudice and be crazy as well - my profession shall be cat-herd....

[Gil-Galad]

well if Mith is playing then i tak it that i will be Co-Mod as Valesse has stated in her PM to me... funtime

[Valesse]

Yep. Thats the plan.

However there are some problems. .. First, the day-night transition time will have to be pushed back three hours. This would mean that the deadline is 4 PM EST as compared to what it was previously, 1 PM.

Secondly, I will not be able to use the internet between July 9 to July 14th because I will be teaching crafts for a charity camp/school. That leaves a two week window we have now for this game to rock and rock hard which it can.

*sigh* I wish it didn't have to be that cramped. But thats what it is.

[JennyHallu]

I'll play, fresh from a disastrous attempt at Hunter...

I'll be a street-corner doomsayer who plays the Aeolian Wind Harp.

[Valier]

*sigh* Well it doesn't look like your game Valesse will be starting anytime soon! With only five players so far this may take awhile and if Val you cannot mod until after the 14 that really sucks!:( Perhaps a few people who have died in Cailin's game will want to join...

How many people would you need Val? If we get enough soon we can play a quick, no frills game. I so need a WW fix!:rolleyes: :p

[Valesse]

How many people would you need Val? If we get enough soon we can play a quick, no frills game. I so need a WW fix!:rolleyes: :p

We could play a game with as little as ten people and it would still be interesting. Considering the timing that might actually be better. I'm sorry this isn't at all what I had hoped it would be. :(

[Mithalwen]

Well there is still time ..... I don't suppose there is any way of shortening the nights if necessary.... ? doing the 24/12 thing .... but with wolves potentially in very different timezones maybe not....

However if you would prefer to wait and have a game according to what you planned when the time isn't such a pressure I am sure we would all understand.

Few games go the distance ........we have 16 days til deadline so you could still get a 13 player game.... or if you get more players then youcould allow double lynchings which would almost certainly get things over quicker...

[Nogrod]

Two subsequent games without playing oneself is just too much!

So I'm in too. But regrettably only for a game that is played somewhat now (I will be without a net access something like 16th to 20th of July).

Let's try a fast build up and a game? How many would we still need? Some PM's and Cailín drop-outs could make it?

[Valier]

Players so far...

Valier>>Town Pickler>>Piccolo
Roa_Aoife>>Trick pilot>>double-necked electric guitar
Macalaure>>unskilled inventor of funny fake occupation ideas, on the verge of bankruptcy>>Tuba
Mithalwen>>Cat-herder>>Viola
JennyHallu>>street corner doomsayer>>Aeolian wind harp
Nogrod>>?>>?


So if we can double the players we have now, we would be set to go right?:)

[Valesse]

Well there is still time ..... I don't suppose there is any way of shortening the nights if necessary.... ? doing the 24/12 thing .... but with wolves potentially in very different timezones maybe not....

I'm considering what I know about the players (yes, I'm the stalker who sent you the flowers :rolleyes: ) it would be fairly easy to do a 24/12 hour game. I'm contacting those from Cailín's game now because so long without werewolf is a crime, and I'm sorry to have kept everyone of you waiting so long and have to make such a short game.

[mormegil]

Barebones basic game eh? I'm in!

(Calls out Kuru) HEY KURU! WE'VE GOT OURSELVES A BASIC GAME HERE!

[Formendacil]

As I've already replied to Valessë... I'm in.

I may even try to get over my Day 1 problem. :p Not.

[Valesse]

Awesome! Yes! Thank you very, very much!

If I could get your desired careers and instruments (the careers do not have to pretain to music.), please.

[mormegil]

Instruments?

As for career I will be a non-practicing wizard.

[Valesse]

Instruments?

The story has to do with the players having their own musical instruments.

[mormegil]

What about a triangle?

[Formendacil]

Instruments?

But I can't play any! :p

Okay then... a Pipe Organ. Suits my personality, well enough- and should be easy enough to kill me with.

And... hmm.... for my career I shall be a Pirate.

One game late, I know... but possibly all the funnier for it. :D

[Valesse]

Yes, even triangles, morm. :D

Currently the cast standing goes as follows:

Valier- Town Pickler, Piccolo
Roa_Aoife- Trick pilot, double-necked electric guitar
Macalaure- unskilled inventor of funny fake occupation ideas, on the verge of bankruptcy, Tuba
Mithalwen- Cat-herder, Viola
JennyHallu- street corner doomsayer, Aeolian wind harp
Nogrod- ?, ?
mormegil- non-practicing wizard, triangle(?)
Formendacil- Pirate, Pipe Organ

[Nogrod]

I'll be an idle fantasist and my instrument a tin whistle.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sure thing, Valesse. A traditional game sounds wonderful. I shall be a double-bass playing publican. Groovy!

[Kitanna]

Is there still room in your game Valesse?

[Valesse]

Why, of course, Kitanna. You'd make lucky number ten. :D

Thank you all for signing up, if I could get your career and musical mechanism Kitanna we can start this as early as this afternoon.

*Prodes Gil-Galad and grins* :p

[Kitanna]

Mmm I see tuba is taken, how disappointing. In that case I'll be the didgeridoo playing hermit.

[Valesse]

Awesome, thanks!

Before we start, if those who have already joined would please vote on the rules so everything is clear and dandy:

1) Retractable votes?
2) Traditional length nights (as opposed to the abbreviated 12 hour nights)
3) Double lynching?

Because of time, I'm opting for shorter nights and double lynchings to be active, though, since it's only fair (because I'll be looooong dead before you can double lynch anyone :p ) that y'all players pick and choose.

Currently the "Magic hour" is set to be 3 o'clock CST (2 EST and so on.) Please remember: With the abbreviated nights that would mean that some days will start ante meridiem, and others will start post meridiem.

[Mithalwen]

Cat-herd pease not Cat herder ;) Wow impressive set of new recruits ..nearly ready to roll ... couple more would be excellent..

[Valesse]

Yes... it would be nice to have a full game, however my window to moderate is now down to 9 days. Though, I suppose it would be up to Gil to take up the entire rest of the running of the game (if it were to run over the time I have), which I'm sure he could do near effortlessly.

Perhaps I'm just being paranoid about time.

Still accepting applications.

[Mithalwen]

Well I am happy with what you decide. I would say that retractable votes favour the village more than the wolves and if we have a 3 wolves and only 10 players overall then maybe we should go with them.

Doubl lynchings can go either way. I am anti the contrived mass lynchings but think there can be a case for double lynchings. But with a small village it wouldmake an interesting dynamic.

From a personal point of view, the 24 hour days would be better since I would have my active spell later in the day. But if the 12/24 makes the game easier for you then I will just have to make hasty judgements....

[Valesse]

From a personal point of view, the 24 hour days would be better since I would have my active spell later in the day. But if the 12/24 makes the game easier for you then I will just have to make hasty judgements....

The Days will remain 24 hours long, only the Nights will be abbreviated.

[Mithalwen]

The Days will remain 24 hours long, only the Nights will be abbreviated.

I meant 24/24 day night cycle ... it has been a long day :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

I am for retractable votes, just for the near-deadline fun of it. :D

If time allows I would prefer traditional length nights and no double lynchings. It gives playing such a nice continuous flow.

[Kitanna]

-- Retractable Votes
++ Double lynchings

I don't care either way about traditional night lengths or 12-hour nights.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Given that there's only one gifted with the potential to reveal him/herself, I suppose that double lynchings will be acceptable in this game.

Whatever you want, Valesse. :)

[Formendacil]

NO Double-Lynchings.

I cannot say, after Nilp's game, how strongly I dislike them. I disliked them on principle before that, but I have a personal issue with them now.

I prefer Non-Retractable votes, I think, but I don't really care.

24/12 cycles are fine with me... though I'd opt for the 24/24 version if given the choice.

[Mithalwen]

If I get of the fence, preferred option is 24/24, retractable votes and no double lynchings but I uphold on principle the divine right of moderators :D

Don't suppose TP would honour us with his rather fabulous presence ?

[Nogrod]

Just a couple of ones:

- If we have only 10 villagers and one gifted, should there respectively be only two wolves? Otherwise the villagers are in quite a desperate position to begin with - not helped by the double-lynch option (three argumentative wolves, 1/3 of the population after the first kill) will be just happy to dance others to double-lynchings?

- = Valesse
Currently the "Magic hour" is set to be 3 o'clock CST (2 EST and so on.) Please remember: With the abbreviated nights that would mean that some days will start ante meridiem, and others will start post meridiem. I understand well the last part of this, but if someone has any clear and instant knowledge about what 3CST / 2EST are in GMT, I would appreciate it. Everyone can see the GMT from their BD window, but we Europeans will have to make a net search to find the CST/EST. (Sorry for being lazy with this)

- If three wolves, then:
-- double lynchings
++ retractables

- If two wolves, then anything goes

- Looking nice indeed! Just waiting for the starting whistle!

[Macalaure]

I understand well the last part of this, but if someone has any clear and instant knowledge about what 3CST / 2EST are in GMT, I would appreciate it. Everyone can see the GMT from their BD window, but we Europeans will have to make a net search to find the CST/EST. (Sorry for being lazy with this)

That's what I had to do, too.

3 CMT = 9 GMT (+6)

That's 11 where I live and 11 or 12 where you live (depending on whether you have Daylight Saving Time in Finland)

[Glirdan]

Valesse, as I am out of Cailin's game, I have time to join yours. So, if there is room (and you allow me to), I would like to play. Is that all right with you?

[Mithalwen]

Don't know if they have daylight saving, otherwise EST is GMT +5 so 2 EST would be 9 GMT

[Nogrod]

3 CMT = 9 GMT (+6)

That's 11 where I live and 11 or 12 where you live (depending on whether you have Daylight Saving Time in Finland
So 9GMT is the deadline. Good. (It's 12 here with the daylight savings). No problem.

Thanks Macalaure!

[Roa_Aoife]

Um, 3pm CST is 4pm EST, not 2... and EST is currently at -4 GMT because of DST, so it's 8 GMT, not 9. (CST is currently at -5 GMT)

I vote

-- Double lynchings

++ LIMITED rectractables (as in, 1 per day)

As for the shortened night, it might be unfair to the wolves to have one it they are in drastically different timezones, so

++ 24/24 days/nights

Also, Nogrod, keep in mind that you still have a gifted who could reveal at anytime- the wolves would be terribly disadvantaged if the seer came out in the beginning and then there was only one against 7. It's be just about impossible to win at that point, and really it's no fun to win if your opponent can claim the set up was against them from the start. (I speak from experience on this.)

[Valesse]

Why, Glirdan, of course you are welcome to play!

As of -right now- it seems like the consensis is 24/24 schedule with no double lynching and retractable votes.


Um, 3pm CST is 4pm EST, not 2... and EST is currently at -4 GMT because of DST, so it's 8 GMT, not 9. (CST is currently at -5 GMT)
Arg! I was even thinking "4, not 2" when I posted that. My brain just got befuddled with the numbers.

Nogrod: If by the end of the day I can get at least two more players, there will definitely be three wolves, if not I'm going to be tapping on Mith's standing and playing Eru. (I.E.: flipping a coin :p .)

[Nogrod]

Nogrod: If by the end of the day I can get at least two more players, there will definitely be three wolves, if not I'm going to be tapping on Mith's standing and playing Eru. (I.E.: flipping a coin :p .)It's always nice to note being in a worthy company... :D

And Roa, thanks for the correction. Hopefully Macalaure caught that too.

PS. Why don't you all just stick to the GMT? That one doesn't save any daylight, ever. It just is what it is and can be trusted all around the year, around the globe... :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

Okay, well then. I shall take my personal dream and incorporate it to this game: I shall be the town musician, instrument, I'll let you choose between Clarinet or Sax (I major in both).

++Retractable votes

-- Double Lynchings (I have a personal vendetta against them...)

and I don't care about the time thing. It doesn't affect me really.

[Kuruharan]

...but since Boromir88 isn't playing.

I'll be a Condottieri who plays the flute.

Limited retractable votes might be okay.

I don't really care about anything else.

[mormegil]

Thank you Kuru.

I'm good with anything but I do like 24 hour nights. I was in the first game and the nights seemed a bit too abbreviated for most people.

[Macalaure]

Hopefully Macalaure caught that too.
Did, thanks for asking.


Um, 3pm CST is 4pm EST, not 2... and EST is currently at -4 GMT because of DST, so it's 8 GMT, not 9. (CST is currently at -5 GMT)
But then it is not CST/EST but CDT/EDT (not standard time, but daylight time). I wouldn't have gotten it wrong if I had known that. :rolleyes:
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[mormegil]

Are we beginning today? I presume that we will begin with a night phase, as is tradition. However it may speed things up to avoid that and let the wolves communicate the first day. It would save you at least one day.

[Roa_Aoife]

However it may speed things up to avoid that and let the wolves communicate the first day. It would save you at least one day.

It may give the wolves a slight edge to do that. Since not a whole lot happens the first night, as the seer just dreams, and the wolves just set up strategy, why don't we just give a shortened first night?

[Valesse]

I'm going to have to opt for skipping the first night because of time issues, actually, but yes, today at three the game will begin.

Expect your roles soon.

[Valesse]

The game is a foot! (And also started. :p )
We're starting in the Day, so... yes.

WWJr. X: Hithlum Zydeco Blues; Hísilómë in Hísimë (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=477970#post477970)

[Valier]

Just letting everyone know I will be away for most of the first two days, I will be able to read through a bit and vote but not be able to be quite as involved as I would like to be. I will be back with a vengeance,though after the weekend, so don't worry... :D It is a long weekend here (Canada Day) and I will be out partying it up like a good Canadian! :p

[Glirdan]

Ahhh Valier, you're one of the lucky ones. I'm stuck going to the fireworks...gah!! Oh well, swimming's always fune. Oh, and in case you didn't read it in my post or are not getting the hint, I'm gone for the rest of the day too. Have a great day everyone. And to all Canadians (coughVALIER+GILcough), HAPPY CANADA'S DAY!!!

[Valesse]

Aww, my little sausages:

tomorrow might be a bit icky when it comes to calling 'time out', so lets work a little on the honor system here. Anything posted after the hour by more than the five minute cushion is null and void.

I haven't heard from Gil -even since the start of the game-, and I'm kind of worried, so if he does show and stop the game, vunderbar! Otherwise, just don't post anymore, and I'll do my best.

....again. Being paranoid. I'm going to the c (http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/197/9/d/diverted_by_Valesse.jpg)ou (http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/197/5/c/Room_with_a_View_by_Valesse.jpg)nt (http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/197/2/c/Holding_up_the_Sky_by_Valesse.jpg)ry (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/Valesse/warninglabel.jpg) for the fourth, and I'll be working on a lap top.

[Valesse]

Well, I'm back.

I'm sorry about that, everyone, and thank you for being so honorable. ; )
Yesterday did not go as planned at ALL, and hopefully it won't happen again, however Nogrod and Morm's death posts are almost laughibly short.

(I had to really pound the keys to get them up in and around time!)

Again. I'm sorry I couldn't have posted any sooner. The last two days have been rather rough on me.

[Gil-Galad]

and my apologies as well, my computer has been inopreative but should be fixed by weeks' end, for now i will try to sneak on my brothers laptop to get on this site

again my apologies

[Roa_Aoife]

Hey, I'm letting evryone know that I've been absent due to real life interference. (Settling a new apartment, planning a wedding, celebrating the 4th, etc) I don't have the energy to stay up for the night, so I'll be back in the morning (my time.)

[Glirdan]

Ahhh!! Okay, has anybody heard from Samwise? Or am I going ahead with my game? If so, It won't be starting for awhile...unfortunately...

[Glirdan]

Well, as I haven't heard hide nor hair from Samwise, I think I should probably start the game up. However, I am willing to give him until the 12th(which is a little less than a week from toDay) to come back.

In the meantime, I believe that I should probably go and explain my plot to you for the game that I have in mind. So, basically, if you want more information on it, I shall be starting up a new thread; WWJXI: When World's Collide. By the by, if anybody can get me the Sindarin translation for that, please, let me know ASAP what it is. I've tried "The Council of Elrond" but it doesn't even have the word when in the database. So, anybody finds it, let me know. Thanks!! :D

[Valier]

How long is awhile Glirdan? I am sure Mith or I can start a game right away if you will be quite awhile. I have some good idea's for a new game.....anyone for Werewolves in Spaaaaaace?:D

Edit: oh there you are Glirdy!.....I can wait awhile then, but I would like to put myself on the Modding list somewhere.

[Glirdan]

Lol! Actually, by awhile, I mean not until after the 15th as there is someone who I would really enjoy to have in my game but he/she will not be back from vacation until then. And no, it's not Wilwa. Or her sibling, Lote and Wayne. ;)

[Mithalwen]

How long is awhile Glirdan? I am sure Mith or I can start a game right away if you will be quite awhile.


I can't, I really can't ..well I could do A game but not the game I am plotting .. my collaborator is imminently departing on the Grand Tour and I have been busy .... feel free to queue jump Val....

[Valier]

Ok correct me if this is wrong

Upcoming Mods

Glirdan
Samwise?
Valier
Mithalwen

[Glirdan]

I believe so. I almost have the opening for my game up and ready.

[Mithalwen]

I think Samwise is getting married on 18th August so I can't really imagine him modding just before or just after.....and being British I am a forthcoming mod.... :p

[JennyHallu]

Can I get tacked on to the mod list somewhere? I don't mind if it's a while...well into August would be best...just need to get on the list.

[Valier]

Upcoming Mods

Glirdan
Valier
Samwise?
Mithalwen
JennyHallu


Does this work? Or we can take Samwise off the list for now until he comes back, then he could be bumped to next in line. Or Mith you can go before me if you like.

[Mithalwen]

I can't see me being ready that soon unless I get some holiday...... I went on the list because it took months to get a slot last time...... I wasn't expecting to go live until the backend of the Summer .... but I think we should check with Samwise Gamgee before moving him back.. he has been on the list since way before Easter and while I expect he will be busy before the wedding and modding is an odd way to spend a honeymoon it is his decision not mine.... :eek:

[Glirdan]

Yes, that is true. In which case, I shall also, if he comes back on time, move the game back as well.

[Glirdan]

I just found out that my Computer is being re-formatted next week sometime so I may not be able to get on soon enough to start the game. I may have to push it back by a week or so. I don't know. As soon as I get specifics, I'll get Wilwa to come on and let everyone know. Till then, send me the PM's all you invitees.

More news from the unlucky person. Rune has just informed me that he will be on vacation where there will be next no internet access. Luckily, I have found a wonderful replacement, Wilwa! Yay!! She's back and hopefully it will be for good. Thanks a million Wilwa!! :D :D

[Mithalwen]

Please remove me from the mod list.

The sour grapes over the last game has quite made me lose my appetite.

I hope to do my operatic game later.

[Valier]

Ummmm Okay......I don't seem to get what all the fuss is about! Why the sour grapes Mith? I thought Valesse's game was wonderful!!!! I don't understand why players can't see this is all just fun. I for one approach each game with as much silly gusto as I can, and in most games I get suspected for the way I play, but WHO CARES!!!!! The quiet and loud players make the game more fun and give us all something to talk about. I don't see why people had to poo-poo Valesse's game and the way the players played or didn't play. Just have fun, like I do!!!!:D Also one must also remember timezones....some players are sleeping while others are playing.


Oh and everyone please remember this word........TOLERANCE ;) :)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I have a question for Glirdy:

When are you expecting your When Worlds Collide game to start? I'm going away for a week, starting on Wednesday the 19th, and will also be gone during some of the first week of August... and I want to know if it would be possible for me to participate, or if my schedule just doesn't work with it. I'm certainly not asking you to reschedule your start date, if you have one planned, or to schedule your game based on me. I was just wondering if the schedules matched up...and if there was room for more after all the invitees signed up. I haven't played Werewolf in a long time, and I had been looking forward to another game! Obviously, if it doesn't work out, it's not going to be that big a deal, because there's always another time (at least I hope), and I can always read along with it if I get back too late or leave too early. (or both!)

[Glirdan]

Unfortunately Zali, I don't really have time, however, I am more than willing to open up the signing up to the pubic now and will go do so.

[Valier]

Um so when is your game going to start Glirdan? I was planning on playing, but not if it takes too long to start. I have planning to do for mine after so I was just wondering.....:)

[The Saucepan Man]

Just so people know, I have deleted a number of posts here because I would rather that the discussion concerning posting style occur in only one place, namely the main Tol-in-Gaurhoth admin thread.

As far as I could see, other than a minor misunderstanding (subsequently resolved), there was nothing that has not been raised in one form or another on the other thread. If you feel that some vital point has been deleted, either raise it on the other thread or, if you can't remember it, then PM me and I will check the original.

This post will be deleted once all concerned have had an opprtunity to see it.

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Valier]Ummmm Okay......I don't seem to get what all the fuss is about! Why the sour grapes Mith? I thought Valesse's game was wonderful!!!!
I enjoyed it until all the recriminations started which I found offensive and unnecessary. I have no desire to spend a lot of time modding a game if people can't play "nicely". I intend to put my name down for a senior spot by which time I hope things will be calmer, and my collaborator will have returned.

[Glirdan]

Valier, going to go open now. Please wait about five more minutes. Thanks.

[Glirdan]

Okay, I'm going to post the death now as I may not have time to do so later. But, you may not post until 6pm Eastern Time please and thank you. If needed, I will tell Wilwa to come and let you all know when you can post.

[Meneltarmacil]

Gil-Galad, please activate your invisible mode. I believe that's a general rule for Werewolf participants these days.

[Gil-Galad]

uh oh spagettio, thanks menel for reminder

[Valier]

I must inform everyone that I just got a new job and my hours are strange right now. I will be around to post, but not as much as usual. I will make sure I vote though. :D

[Macalaure]

Does the "Hide your signature"-rule still apply?

[Thinlómien]

I feel I might be forced to take back my words about an unfloody Lommy... :D *sigh*

[Kath]

Sorry, just no time today!

[Valier]

Sorry also....I know my reasons are kinda lame, but I gotta go to work.

[Glirdan]

Everyone in invisible mode (sorry, forgot about that. Thanks Menel) and sig's does not matter. If you choose too, that's fine.

Also, please note that there is only about two hours and forty five minutes left for voting and we have half the votes. Please vote and post because if not, the noose falls on you after two days of not doing either and I really don't want to do taht. :(

[JennyHallu]

WAIT! the day is over??

Wilwa said an hour ago we had an hour and a half left!!!!!

And don't just remind me that you said 6:00 PM Eastern. I'm in Eastern.

[Glirdan]

Ya, my bad. Wasn't looking at the time. Continue.

[Naria]

So since I cross posted with Wilwa and obvioulsy it was in time...is this going to be counted against me as a none vote Glirdy?

[Glirdan]

No, it's in time. I didn't think I was going to be on at this time so I told Wilwa just to end it and tell you I'll have the post up later. Turns out otherwise. :rolleyes: But you are safe this time around.

[Glirdan]

Just to let everyone know that I will post the death early (5pm Eastern Time). However, I will still give you until 6pm Eastern Time tomorrow. It's just that I'm not going to be able to post it at 6 as I will be out at that time. So, when I have the death up, you may all start posting.

[Valier]

Please excuse my hasty vote. I worked all day yesterday and all day today and won't be on again until Sunday some time. I am sorry if this sucks for people wanting to hear more of what I got to say. I will be back with avengence on Sunday (as long as I live, that is :rolleyes: )

[Kath]

My apologies, again, I have a party I had forgotten all about to attend, and definitely won't be online anywhere near the deadline.

[Macalaure]

Sorry for throwing a uncommented vote into the ring. I just discovered there's a huge lump on the back of my pet bird. So, though I have time (can't do anything about it before Monday...), I have other things buzzing in my head at the moment.
Sorry especially to Naria if I'm wrong.

[Gil-Galad]

Well might as well say my apoligies too, i work the night shift again so i'll probably miss the deadline so i had to vote now i'll check back when i get home (1-2 Am here) quickly to see the verdict.

[Nogrod]

Just to inform you.

Lommy and I are using the same computer tonight. So only one of us can be online at a time...

[Thinlómien]

Just to inform you.

Lommy and I are using the same computer tonight. So only one of us can be online at a time...That explains also my frequent posting today.

Unfortunately I will return to similar posting times as on Day 1 the next day, because I won't be in Noggie's place anymore and have to do my posts during my schoolday (breaks) and only shortly after it, because my computer at home isn't working.

[Glirdan]

Naria, if you're around, please post and vote ASAP. There's only seven minutes left. Also, I may not have the death scene posted tonight, but I will inform you on who and what he/she is.

[Glirdan]

You know, you guys can start like anytime now....

[Nogrod]

I just saw the news from the BBC. Hopefully none of you Canadians were involved in the Montreal shooting or had friends or relatives there. That kind of things are always so futile and sickening.

[Gil-Galad]

well this is probably going to be my last game...

i'm also wondering about retractable votes

[Boromir88]

No retractables.... :)

[Glirdan]

Sorry about the lateness. Wilwa has been at work and I couldn't get on until now. I'll have the death up soon.

[Nogrod]

Just to inform you everyone.

Lommy and I will pack a lent car with Lommy's sister and her three friends and head for the summer cottage (okay, let's call it a fall-cottage now) this weekend.

That means that we're able to be occasionally online up to something like halfway Day5 and will be back at the later part of Day6 (and then we will be sharing the computer - Lommy won't be able to stay into the end of the Day, but I probably can).

All this assuming we're alive, or that the game is still on, naturally.

[Gil-Galad]

i would like to know who is planning the next WWJ? because right now my Wolf Gang Wars might actually be coming together now

[Valier]

I am in fact the next on the list for the junior thread. I have my game all planned out and am just waiting for Glirdy's game to be finished before I post all the details. :D

[Glirdan]

This is just something random, but I'm really quite curious. Of all of those who are following and who are playing, what do you think of playing it RPG styled? I just want you're opinions because I'm actually really enjoying this and all the posts are spectacular. So, what are your thoughts?

[Diamond18]

Well, I'm pretty sure my roleplaying got me killed. :) Word to the wise, don't pick a grumpy and taciturn persona in Werewolf.

But I enjoyed it while it lasted, and would have liked to have a bit more time for it. It makes it a little harder to get a feel for the other players, though... so I'm looking forward to playing a straight game again. ;)

[Valesse]

Personally, being a roleplay nut, I'd like to see more characterization... perhaps it's my (past) wolf side that wanted MUCH more so I'd still be alive right now. :p

I had fun with the puns, though I'm shocked I never used "You're barking up the wrong tree!"

[Kath]

I quite like it but I have a really bad habit of forgetting and having to add it in at the last second, so I'm not really doing it much. Fun though.