Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXI: Dueling Wizards Werewolf

[Diamond18]

My problem with the list is that there's no-one on it apart from Fea that I think could be the EW.

I've been meaning to ask this, but is there any specific reason why the list has to be limited to only 4 people? There are still 19 living people, so I personally think the option pool could be at least slightly larger without giving away too much about who's Gifted or not.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I'm not sure why Alcarillo's suspicions of Sauce combined with the fact that Sauce voted for him and the next Day Sauce was dead make Alcarillo look bad. At that point we didn't have a Seer, so if Alcarillo is a Wolf, he couldn't be afraid that a Seerish Sauce would have dreamed of him. As to posting in character, that's what many of us have done here. (Oh dreadful day, my husband is dead! How shall I manage with my children all by myself! :( )

But I'll go his posts through myself (no offense to those who have analysed him already).



#17 - Says that even though Cailín might have raised Eomer to be a lady-killer, he did not raise his son to be a murderer. He will stand by my family. Says the whole family of morm's "reeks of werewolvery". Doesn't like the fact that Diamond playfully predicted that Cailín will get lynched. Every defence and suspicion here is based on the relationships in the Village although if he's a Wolf 1) what would be a better way to smoothen reactins than to disguise them as family banter, or 2) he might not have been a Wolf yet

#33 - Di explains her prediction of Cailín and Alcarillo is comforted since someone approves his son (Eomer). He isn't as pleased with morm and Celuien. Says that he and Cailín do not allow black magic in their household. Says that lynching the GW (which isn't possible since he can't die by lynching) would make our situation harder and he'd prefer hunting the EW instead. Gurthang said that he'd like to lynch people who would not be obvious Seer choices, and he names Naria, Alcarillo, Azaelia, Lommy and Lalaith. Alcarillo's reaction was: "You want to lynch me?! :eek: I have to be careful of what I say from now on..."

Okay, this looks odd. Gurthang had five peope on his list and considering that, Alcarillo's reaction was pretty strong.

#124 - Says that if he were the GW, he would have chosen Azaelia, Oddwen, Roa, Diamond or Gurthang as Gifteds because they tend to last long "whether by being clever or by flying under the radar". He also says: "True that that's also great when playing a wolf, but I wouldn't lynch these folks yet (especially not myself!)." Reminds everyone about Fea's suggestion that the EW is someone who has enough time for it, so s/he's not probably a student.

Again, defence for himself only for appearing on a list with a bunch of other players.

#144 - Defends himself, family banter, suspects Sauce because of his lists of potential Wolves and because he fits in the criteria that Fea gave. "Couldn't he be the EW?" ~Alc

Uh, the dreaded polling... At least he gave some of his thoughts, but they seem to be based more on others' opinions than his own.

#159 - Votes for Sauce because of his "crazy theory :p".

Well, this look a bit interesting. Why would he call his theory crazy and give a smiley? Perhaps he did know that it was likely be wrong and his vote wouldn't tell much. Still, this was in an early stage of voting, so his vote had value in it. Perhaps it was a way to clear oneself if we for some reason had lynched Sauce and found him innocent.

#222 - says that it looks like that he has some defending to do. And that's what he does. Almost the whole post. He also asks quiestions why he would have killed Sauce, and the post ends with village banter.

#353 - says that Zali wouldn't surely want to lynch a future family member. Agrees with Eomer and votes for Nogrod.

#371 - Laments phantom's death.

#394 - Asks people to slow down and says that the last post was just roleplaying. Tries to explain his defence after Sauce's death.

#622 - Says the GW knows much more than us, finds Roa's "rebellious behaviour" unsettling and votes for her.


Okay, I see that he really is defensive, and on that basis he looks somewhat suspicious right now.

[Diamond18]

If I obey the list, my vote toDay will be either given to Azaelia or Alcarillo. Problem is, I do not think that either of these people is the Evil Wizard... just possibly wolves. And are we, or are we not, looking for the Evil Wizard?

[Lalaith]

Diamond, I have to say that of all Fea's posts, it's 79 that troubles me the most. She agrees with Lommy that we shouldn't hunt for wolves on the basis that the EW might want them.
Now I disagree with this, it was how I for one homed in on Valier. And, my dear Diamond, you obviously disagree too because it's the basis for your earlier suspicion of me.
But even more worryingly, she wants to hunt out the GW because he's meant do die anyway - before he's had a chance to give us any gifteds. What's that all about?
Now this could just be Fea in maverick mode. There's part of me that wants to give her the benefit of the doubt, partly because like you I find her 734 post rather innocent. But there's another part of me that wonders whether I shouldn't just go for it.

I was also amazed by my status as fourth poster. (Btw, how do you do that, Diamond, is there a forum tool that gives individual post counts within a thread or have you manually counted us all?) I didn't think I'd been posting any more than I usually do. I can only surmise that many people have been posting considerably less. These include, Eomer, Fea, Lommy, Spawn and Jenny. Nearly all of whom would figure on my list of EW possibles. Hmmm....

Spawn, I'm swayed by your Alcarillo analysis and will have a look at him myself. I need to try to place him in the wolf creation programme. At the moment, I think we are looking at an original/Night Two wolf, two Night Four wolves and a Night Five (ie last night) wolf.

[Thinlómien]

I think I could scream! Scream. Yes, that is the word. I'm sorry, honourable Gurthang, but I think your list is h-o-r-r-i-b-l-e. I think we should get the EW, and soon. Our chances to get a wolf every day to stop them from increasing are minimal. We really should focus on the EW.

Of those on your list, the only one I really find suspicious is Alcarillo, and in my opinion he's no way the EW.

The only person on the list I think could be the EW is Fea. I'm not particularly suspicious of her, but I think I must vote her in order to obey the GW and concentrate on the EW-hunting which is the thing I find most important right now. I just fear I will be contributing to the death of an innocent person I don't even really suspect.

The person I feel could be the EW is Roa. Choosing Noggie as a wolf would clearly point at that direction, as I've said before. Besides, Wolfier's attack on her makes her suspicious.

Besides, I don't find this a sound argument at all:
Beside, Valier nearly did get me lynched yesterday, something that I would never want to risk if I were the EW. I like risks, but not risks that draw specific attention onto me when I'm trying to hide. 1. I don't think it was by any way Valier's doing that you nearly got lynched yesterday. There was enough suspicion on you from other people to get youy lynched and I think no one was converted to suspect you by Valier. 2. Hmm... So you say. But are we discarding the possibility that Wolfier was not instructed by the EW-Roa to attack her? Maybe Valier made it up by herself.

Ill be back before lynchline.

ps. Sorry for this, but I can't resist...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lalaith
It's Saturday night after all...Eurovision, too...cheers!
Hehe. : cool : ; ) : D
:p (See my sig below...)

edit: xed with Oddwen

[Oddwen]

Ergh...reading through, reading other analysises and sleeping on it has given me pretty much this. I don't think Zali is evil, I'm leaning toward Kitanna being innocent.
That leaves Alc and Fea (brilliant deduction!).

Alc, I think, is acting weird for Alc
Fea is acting pretty normal for Fea

I'm going to have to vote in about twenty minutes. I'm off to read again.

edit: x-ed with Lommy

[Lalaith]

Going by the analysis I did yesterday, likely Night Four wolves are: Caran, Jenny, Kath and Kitanna, possibly Fea.
Alc and Zali are very unlikely night four wolves. They could have been converted last night, I suppose, and I think Alc might be an original wolf.

As for the EW - he has selected Naria, Nogrod and Valier for his wolves. Hmm....these are all players I believe who entered the game via the Junior branch. Does that give us any clues to his/her identity?

[Oddwen]

Have to leave for the Day soon. I'm going to put my vote in for

++FEANOR

Of the four doooooom'd, I'm most inclined to think she's evil.

Oh, and

I don't quite follow how this could be a hint
Fea's maundering...you like the word, you're the maundering mage, therefore Fea = You, if you're evil she is too...that's what I was thinking.

Good luck all.

[JennyHallu]

I'm checking in...but hubby's sick so I'll be checking out pretty quickly. I tend to agree with the people who think this is a horrendous list for finding an EW...none of these people strike me as that pro-active. Except for Fea, but I don't think she'd make that kind of commitment: I believe her when she says she's over-busy.

And as for the rest:

I know little about Alcarillo. But my initial reaction would be to doubt any wolvishness from him. These suspicions came up first after SPM's death: The deaths, however, are chosen by vote, from wolves who I firmly believe do not know eachother. I might be wrong, but why would the EW tell them who eachother are? As it is, the death of a wolf reveals no tracks to any other, and I think that's why we as a village seem so aimless. We keep looking for the usual relationships and signs, and it makes me so frustrated that I want to pound on my computer screen (bad idea) and scream THE USUAL SIGNS AREN'T THERE!!!! And if the kills are chosen by vote, then Alcarillo's daytime activities with SPM likely have no connection to his nighttime activity. Besides, if I were a wolf, the last thing I would do is kill someone associated with me, and I think Alcarillo is at least that savvy.

Zali looks awful in analysis. I don't like how she always gives herself an out, and is so apologetic. BUT: If she is a wolf, this could be a further argument for my belief that the wolves do not know eachother: If they did, why would she apologize to the village for her sacrifice of Nogrod? She'd know she was going to look good for it in the morning. I will most likely vote Zali.

And finally, I most certainly do not excuse Kitanna from my suspect list because of her sudden helpfulness yesterday. Yes, she went from the same behavior that's got us so worked up about Zali (non-commital apologetics) to long analytical posts, but what did she actually say? I remember no firm conclusions, no flat-out accusations or umm...anti-accusations? Just "well, he could be a wolf, or she could be a wolf..." Kitanna, my dear, excepting Gurthang, any of us could be a wolf. And I don't like that this analysis mode was such a sudden change, and no one else picked up on that. Sudden changes are what I most fear in this game.

So my vote will most likely be Zali, but I am definitely considering Kitanna. Fea really feels innocent to me, and Alc...that's just too obvious, and I think highly unlikely.

[Gurthang]

I've been meaning to ask this, but is there any specific reason why the list has to be limited to only 4 people? There are still 19 living people, so I personally think the option pool could be at least slightly larger without giving away too much about who's Gifted or not.

Well, first day we try it, there's 22 people. So I put four on the list. At that time there were four wolves, so let's say we had two on the list. And me as the Good Wizard. That narrows the EW's "possibly gifted" list to 14 people, since he knows the two innocents on the list won't be gifted and he knows all four of his wolves and me.

Two die at night, another is gifted. Total 19 people left. Still four wolves, this time two gifteds. Four listees, let's say I'm lucky and we have two wolves again (unlikely). That's still runs 7 people off the list, so it's down to 11 already. Plus, there were two people on yesterday's list who the EW knows aren't gifted. One might have been a wolf, but that's still down to 10.

And that's a high estimate. It might be as low as 7. (If Valier was the only wolf on yesterday's list and no wolves are on toDay's list.) Assuming I'll have anyone new on the list tomorrow, that could be down to 4, counting two wolf kills toNight, and three gifteds in that stack.

Basically, four is pushing it. It narrows down the field of possible gifteds too quickly for the EW. If we had five on the lists, he would have great odds changing/killing a gifted toNight.

If I obey the list, my vote toDay will be either given to Azaelia or Alcarillo. Problem is, I do not think that either of these people is the Evil Wizard... just possibly wolves. And are we, or are we not, looking for the Evil Wizard?
Truthfully, no. I have realized that, although you could find him by lynching, it is unlikely. There are far more wolves, so I actually think you should try to keep their numbers down. If you find the EW in the process, well that would be the best luck ever. :D

Kitanna, my dear, excepting Gurthang, any of us could be a wolf. And I don't like that this analysis mode was such a sudden change, and no one else picked up on that. Sudden changes are what I most fear in this game.
I noticed it too. I've been busy all Day so far, but I'm going to get to reading everything by all four before the deadline.

But now, again, I have to leave... this time for church. Later.

[Lalaith]

I've looked into the lorebooks about Alcarillo. (We should have a village librarian, all this lorebook study...) When he's innocent, he's lynched or eaten early. When he's not, he survives until late or almost til the end.
Make of that what you will.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh, and as a “bonus” for all you eager beavers out there, I can already tell you everything that Roa will say about this post. It’ll be a mix of “nonsense,” “clutter,” “in essence, saying nothing,” and “well, duh.”

Diamond, if my analysis of you yesterday upset you, get over it. We're supposed to suspect each other in this game and look for hints that will lead us to the baddies, and that's all I do. "Nonsense" is how I refer to any incharacter posting, in every single game I played. "Clutter" is for ideas and theories that aren't really thought through and just create confusion for anyone else trying to read it. And you did have several posts that stated the obvious and several posts that had lots of words but said nothing at all. If you disagree, then do so, but offer up reasons, not sarcasm. That doesn't help anyone. If you don't like being suspected, don't play the game.

Or are you just mad because I'm on to you?

And your analysis on Fea was interesting, and I'll forgive the lack of depth given the time at which it was done and the fact the Fea has said very little of depth.

Morm's analysis on Zali has me taking another look at her. She does look quite bad in analysis, as Jenny said. I'd like to hear what she has to say for herself though.

And Diamond I believe wanted an analysis on Lal. I'll do that as sson as I get back from church.

[Glirdan]

Hello everyone. I'm just telling you all that I have returned, but only for the time being. I shall be leaving once again in a few days. I provided some services in a village that I visted on my journey and they want me to come back for a Day to help finish what we started. Now, I'm going to go back and look over what's been said for toDay.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Lalaith, you make interesting points in your post #754.

I've to go now and I'm in a hurry, so here are my final thoughts.

Zali - my opinion about her hasn't changed. She might very well be a Wolf.

Kitanna - she has been really helpful with her analyses, but as others have said, her sudden helpfulness is a bit odd. I haven't had time to analyse her, so I can't tell if there's something else that looks weird in her posts.

Fea - the one on the list who looks the most EWish.

Alcarillo - possibly a Wolf.


I really think that catching the EW would be most useful now, so therefore I vote for

++Fea

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've been quiet on the issue because I do not wish to be an orphan (or the sole member of my family), but I can see what you all mean about Alcarillo. He seems pretty suspicious, and I am very convinced that his death will be provided by the noose.

I don't think he's the EW. Now, you may think this is a somewhat dangerous strategy, and I am well aware of the troubles we could face, but don't you think it would be worth lynching our females to get the EW? I am certain the Great One made the EW female to balance the male GW. Don't you all think that's very likely?

(And I'm not just saying that because some people suspect I'm the EW. ;) )

Tell me what you think. I still reckon it's Fea, and because I'm not about to argue with Gurthang (whose plan, in my opinion, is a mathematically good one) I will almost certainly be voting for Fea today.

A couple of you have today stated that she seems pretty clingy on the issue of RL. This definitely worries me. She's probably not a wolf (she'd make the most horrendous wolf pick) but being the EW she needs to buy time. That's why she keeps up this charade concerning RL difficulties, such as her earlier "I should have asked to come out of the game like Lhuna", to put her doom on hold, to make us give her the benefit of the doubt. That's fine from her point of view: she doesn't need to survive 'til the end; she just needs a good run to create numerous monsters.

Yes Fea, I'm being stubborn; but so what? :p

Another point I was considering yesterday. I noticed a couple of comments concerning Roa's and Diamond's unhappiness with Gurthang's plan. They seemed to be like: "Oh, no wolf would come out that strongly against the GW in public." But isn't this what the evil ones would bank on? We're all thinking it would be more likely for the monsters to just hide in the shadows as regards the plan of the GW; and this grants them the privilege to hide in the open, as it were.

Just a thought. Maybe those two (or one of them) are particularly bold and have hit upon a new method of allaying suspicion.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I've been quiet on the issue because I do not wish to be an orphan (or the sole member of my family), but I can see what you all mean about Alcarillo. He seems pretty suspicious, and I am very convinced that his death will be provided by the noose.

After reading what little I could I'm not really inclined to believe Alcarillo could be a wolf or the evil wizard. And in all honesty I'm not really sure how well our past performances would be a valid point in this game, quite some fluctuation, isn't there?

I am certain the Great One made the EW female to balance the male GW. Don't you all think that's very likely?

Quite likely, do you suggest we begin searching for Gurthang's female equivalent? I am inclined to believe it is a female, in fact I've been inclined to believe a female was the evil wizard right off the bat but that was probably because of too much Kingdom Hearts...

Tell me what you think. I still reckon it's Fea, and because I'm not about to argue with Gurthang (whose plan, in my opinion, is a mathematically good one) I will almost certainly be voting for Fea today.

Hmm... I'll probably vote Fea again as I've done twice before, the words Fea and Evil are synonymous.

A couple of you have today stated that she seems pretty clingy on the issue of RL. This definitely worries me. She's probably not a wolf (she'd make the most horrendous wolf pick) but being the EW she needs to buy time.

That would actually be a brilliant reason to make her a wolf. Is somebody trying to protect one of his minions? No, of course not you're setting it up against her. Quite possibly a move on your part to clear yourself?

That's why she keeps up this charade concerning RL difficulties, such as her earlier "I should have asked to come out of the game like Lhuna", to put her doom on hold, to make us give her the benefit of the doubt. That's fine from her point of view: she doesn't need to survive 'til the end; she just needs a good run to create numerous monsters.

Yeah, that doesn't sound kind of sneaky then again I havent been around much either. And no the evil wizard doesn't need to go the end but it would be nice to. Eomer, are you sure you didn't turn Fea into a wolf and are now trying to get her lynched as the EW but in the end shall be a werewolf and hence get you at least a bit in the clear?

Eomer or Fea...? Who shall I got with? Further study is required.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I very much regret my inability to post more and of more substance. I don't really know what to do right now (just like last night) stemming from how I've been unable to do more than read as I go and develop a few thoughts that way. I have nothing conclusive on anybody.

However I have the whole next six hours free, I'm in my right state of mind, and I'm not in any excruciating pain.

Exactly what does the village need done right now that I can do to help?

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

You know what? I'm under suspicion again. Terrific.

People have said they're going to wait to hear what I have to say for myself. I've already said all I can say, in my triple post yesterday.

Here's a quick review.

A. I'm not the evil wizard. I don't have enough time. And the amount of suspicion I've come under is pretty much all the proof that is necessary that I would be a really dumb choice for a wolf.

B. Again, You all could do worse than to lynch me today--I'm not a gifted, or anything else special. All you'll be doing is lowering the ratio of people with special roles to those without, which has got to be helpful for the village, though I'm certainly not advocating deliberately lynching an ordinary villager.

C. I have not been playing well, and I know it. I think my brain is having a stupid week. I'm smarter than this, and if I was a wolf, I'd certainly be working a little harder to attract less suspicion. I've made some dumb choices

and D. [in character nonsense] If I die, I'll be with my love Phantom. It'll be an escape from a village that seems wrongfully bent on my destruction. [/in character nonsense]

I'm at the point where I feel like I'm under attack from all directions and that not all of this attention is deserved. Morm seems to be trying to make me look guilty, but I suppose it's fairly easy to do that. He's been helpful in the past, but I feel like I'm under attack, rather than just under criticism.

I'd like to hear more from Alcarillo. I still am getting red flags from him, and I feel that he's sort of trying to fade into the background after making some mistakes. This makes me nervous.

I've made mistakes, I know, and I own up to it. I'm not trying to fade away.

He, on the other hand, has made mistakes and is dealing with it by trying to vanish. I'm not into that, and I want to hear what he has to say for himself. I'll probably be voting for him again today.

[Kath]

My computer is taking an age to load pages (if it ever gets there :rolleyes: ) so I'm going from what I remember from my readthrough earlier. I think I'm right in saying that the list goes:
Zali
Fea
Alcarillo
Kitanna

Assuming that's correct, I don't think Kitanna is a wolf. I've simply seen nothing that would suggest that over the last few Days. However, I would be more inclined to believe that she was the EW, but that depends on a certain set of circumstances being true and until I can get this useless lump to work properly I won't put that theory up in case I've been imagining things.

Zali - I don't really get the suspicion around her, could someone explain that please?

Fea I think innocent. As I recall from my lorebooks, she does often bring RL into her posts so I don't find that suspicious, and I can well believe that she is too busy to be the EW. She could be a wolf but I don't think it likely that she would be this early.

So that leaves me with Alcarillo. Someone put up an analysis of him (I think it was spawn) that showed him in a rather unfavourable light. He has done a lot of in character posts which, while not suspicious in themselves, do become so when the game has been going a while and there is absolutely no substance in the post. He has also been very defensive, often a wolvish trait.

If my theory on Kitanna doesn't pan out (quite likely :rolleyes: ) I will most likely vote Alcarillo, unless someone can explain to be why Zali has generated all this suspicion.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Zali - I don't really get the suspicion around her, could someone explain that please?


I'll try my best, as it's my own life on the line...

1. I've hopped on bandwaggons.
2. I voted early for Eomer a couple days ago.
3. I've been careless.
4. I made three posts in a row in my own defence.
5. I have the unfortunate tendency to apologize for votes.

Help me out, people. What else have I done?

(I'm not sorry at all if I sound a little irritated and/or sarcastic. I'm getting a little frustrated. To defend oneself is suspicious, not to defend oneself is a pretty good way of landing in the noose without making any attempt to prevent it...and I don't know about the rest of you villagers, but I don't want to give up yet. I haven't been too helpful so far, and one can only have so many second chances...*sigh*)

Hope that clarifies things for you, Kath.

[Lalaith]

I don't think the gender of the EW is relevant and your focus on it, Eomer, is actually one of the few suspicious things about you. What with you being a bloke yerself, and that.
The reason I don't particularly suspect you as EW is that the wolf choices we know about so far aren't ones I'd expect you to make. I don't think you've played very much if at all with any of them.
They are rather Roa-ish choices which is one of the reasons I'm worried about her.

[Kath]

Hey ignore that Kitanna thing all, read back to check it out and realised I was in fact making things up :rolleyes:

Cheers for that Zali, mind answering some more questions since you're around?

That early vote for Eomer, was that on the Day that Gurthang revealed himself, and if so did you vote before or after he put his list up?

Oh and if you want some advice, don't apologise for votes. I know, I know, it's natural, but it just gets on some people's nerves, and why offer them ammunition?

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Cheers for that Zali, mind answering some more questions since you're around?

No, not at all. It makes me feel like I'm being interviewed :p

That early vote for Eomer, was that on the Day that Gurthang revealed himself, and if so did you vote before or after he put his list up?
That vote was on Day Three. Gurthang didn't reveal himself until Day 4, which was yesterDay. I voted for Alcarillo yesterDay.

Oh and if you want some advice, don't apologise for votes. I know, I know, it's natural, but it just gets on some people's nerves, and why offer them ammunition?

No worries. I've already learned that particular lesson!

[Kath]

No, not at all. It makes me feel like I'm being interviewed :p
That's lucky, I've a few more to get through yet!

Ok, in that case what was it about the vote for Eomer that made you so suspicious? Or at least, what did people claim made it suspicious?

And what did you mean by you were careless? Meant to ask that earlier.

[Lalaith]

Fea, if you'd like to be useful, come up with some EW theories - there's a dear!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Will do. :cool: If y'all have anything else for me to do or any niggling questions a la Zali, I'll be lurking all afternoon.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

That's lucky, I've a few more to get through yet!

Ok, in that case what was it about the vote for Eomer that made you so suspicious? Or at least, what did people claim made it suspicious?

And what did you mean by you were careless? Meant to ask that earlier.

The vote for Eomer was the first vote of the day, and it looked like a safe vote, hopping on an easily-visible future bandwaggon. It was already obvious that he'd be a big vote-earner, and so my vote looked like just a safe vote. It was honestly made out of suspicion for him, but given that I had so far voted for every bandwaggon that came along: Loki, Nogrod, and now Eomer, it looked bad. I knew it looked bad when I first made it.

Someone suggested that I just shouldn't have voted if I could only get on so early in the day...And my response to that is, it was a lose-lose situation. I knew my vote looked bad when I made it...and I had contemplated not voting at all, but after weighing the two, I decided that both would earn me about the same amount of suspicion.

The carelessness? Well, I feel like I haven't been performing up to the standard of my ancestors. It's actually a word I lifted from someone else's post, I think Morm's. Perhaps he knows better than I do. Honestly, I've just made some dumb choices--apologizing, that vote for Eomer, etc. I also haven't posted as frequently as others have.

Edit: Crossposted with Lalaith and Fea.

I'm going to vanish for a while in about 15 minutes...just as a heads-up. I'll be back later, though, so if anyone wants/needs to know anything else from me, feel free to ask.

[Caranlondien]

I have realized that, although you could find him by lynching, it is unlikely. There are far more wolves, so I actually think you should try to keep their numbers down. If you find the EW in the process, well that would be the best luck ever.
I agree. Somebody has to keep down the wolf population, right? I mean, we should of course keep theorizing about the EW-ness of different villagers, and certainly if we think the EW is on The List, we should vote for them, but in general we can leave it to Gurthang to try to find the EW at night.

Maybe the EW is purposefully acting like a wolf... [S]he could then tell the 4 wolves to loudly proclaim they think [s]he could be a wolf but not the EW, and thus we shouldn't lynch them yet. After all, the EW doesn't care about escaping suspicion entirely; [s]he is just trying to last long enough to give the wolves a good chance of winning.

I have to vote soon. I've suspected both Kitanna and Zali, but both seemed pretty innocent in their posts yesterDay. Kitanna I don't feel very worried about anymore. She's seemed helpful toDay. And Zali, well, her posts seem so earnest. I'm concerned that Zali might be fooling us with sheer earnestness, though. Still, I can keep doubting myself around in circles, or I can go with my gut. My gut tells me those two are innocent.

So, that leaves Alcarillo and Fea. Both seem a bit wolvish, but my lorebooks tell me nothing about the behavior of either. I tend to suspect Fea more, though, from others' analyses.

So, as I must go:

++Feanor

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

This post is based on how I suspect an EW might act. This is not an accusatory post, but a thinking aloud one.

There is always a general consensus that players fit into one of three categories: loud and bold, quiet and creepy, suspiciously average and non-suspicious. "He" will be used for convenience.

S1: Quiet and Creepy:

Our Evil Wizard is clever, hiding out behind villagers and wolves that are naturally loud and suspcion-drawing. He won't need to worry about attention being shifted to him until after the village has relieved itself of everyone that garners attention on their own. He could do as little as post only once in a while, saving his activity for the darkness of night, or he could be ambitious and perhaps nudge attention toward people that it's easy to set up. However, this Evil Wizard does not take chances. He is a player that is always quiet because he knows as well as anyone that switching traditional tactics is almost a guarantee of death.

S2: Loud and Bold:

This Evil Wizard plays with no holds barred. He will blatantly lie and laugh when his bluffs, double-bluffs, and even triple-mega-uber-hugeoriffic-mondo-bluffs work. This Evil Wizard is the one that knows how people think and manipulates them right out in the open. This Wizard is either somebody that you’ve suspected from the beginning or is somebody that you don’t suspect because it would be too obvious. This is the one that should have been dreamt of first night but is counting on the idea that everybody else knows it and doesn’t think he’d have the audacity to be intentionally evil when he knows perfectly well they’ll kill him. Perhaps less crazed as that, a loud Wizard might be less obviously suspicious and more generally helpful. This wizard posts theories, suspicions, occasionally defends people, and analyzes objectively (or at least as much so as one can). This Wizard, however bold he or she might be, is most definitely a vocal Wizard. This Wizard couldn’t avoid the spotlight if he wanted to, so he plays to his own fame.

S3: Suspiciously Average and Non-Suspicious

This Wizard is one of two things: everybody vaguely suspects him because he’s vaguely suspicious or everybody vaguely suspects him because he isn’t. Either way, nobody actually suspects him enough to do anything about him. He plays averagely, posting neither too much, nor too little, with careful deliberation before saying anything. He posts suspicions after careful analysis, positing few original or far-fetched theories, but rather playing purely by the facts. This Wizard is a player that is generally trusted because he is generally helpful and objective.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Next post coming soon to a store near you.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Everyone presently playing would fall under one of those stereotypes... :/

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Give me a minute! I'm not done, silly.

[Roa_Aoife]

Back! A few things...

Zali, after the read through, and reading her responses to Kath, looks decidedly un-EW-ish. She also doesn't seem like a likely wolf choice, especially with all the suspicion she's come under. It could be a double bluff, or triple bluff, or whatever, but I doubt it. There's also a possibility that she's the last original, but given the number of wolves that have died, and the times at which they died, it seems highly unlikely that one of the originals remain.

Eomer is clearly a misogynist. :p No, I can see where his idea has merit, but if it's wrong, we run the risk of allowing the EW to escape simply by looking away from the males. Not only that, if we only lynch females, then the EW could simply make all the wolves male, and by the time we get the EW, it will be too late.

I'm still not seeing the whole Alcarillo suspicion. The claims still seem loosely based to me, and not really well founded.

Fea looks... normal, really. Which is frightening. I've only got one entry of Fea in my lorebooks (my very first story, infact), and she died early but active. It seems she and I butted heads a few times, I thought she was guilty, and she turned out to be a gifted.

Kitanna I'm not sure about. I strongly doubt her as the EW. It just doesn't seem likely. (Besides, I'm harboring a pet theory of Diamond=EW.) As a wolf, it's possible. Of course, I wonder if we might have caught a wolf turned last night?

Truthfully, no. I have realized that, although you could find him by lynching, it is unlikely. There are far more wolves, so I actually think you should try to keep their numbers down.

I think I said this on Day one. The game ends when the wolves are dead, not when the EW dies, or at least that's my understanding of it. And the longer we keep wolf numbers down, the longer we keep the EW from having an oportune time to reveal, which I suspect it's Gurthang's biggest worry. The best situation for the EW would be if we kept lynching innocents to find the EW, he kept making wolves, and suddenly, we lost our seer again. The EW might then challenge Gurthang, and remove our only chance of getting more gifteds, leaving a rather high ratio of wolves to innocents, and near impossible chances of a village victory. If we can for certain catch the EW, then by all means we should, but until then we need to catch wolves to sto pthe EW from being able to take advantage of us in a weakened state.

Also, to those suspecting me simply because I might have done some thing like what's happened were I the EW, please, come up with better reasons. You don't know who I would pick or what I would do as an EW. The role is entirely different than that of a wolf, which you have recorded in you lorebooks. You can "see" me doing something to that effect, but all that is just speculation, and not really evidence.

(We had a talk about the Da Vinci Code in church today. Does it show?)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lalaith, you'll no doubt notice that I already laughed about me being male and my theory excluding me from EW-ness. Of course it's not 'relevant' as such, but I think it's very likely that the EW is female. Your own attempt to discredit such an obviously decent idea is quite suspicious in itself, especially as I think you make a better evil one than most others.

Sleepy, your idea is interesting but ultimately unlikely. Were I the EW and the village discovered it, you would no doubt go after Fea in a big way the next day, considering what I've been saying about her. So it would be stupid for me to play the way I've played if I were the EW and Fea was my minion.

Azaelia's recent posts are doing her no favours. They are extremely self-centred. If you are going to die then at least spend your remaining time giving the village your genuine thoughts, so we will be helped tomorrow. Thy constant defence is only a negative.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm not your minion ergo you could play however you wanted pertaining to me if you were EW.

still working on second big post

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Yes, the EW could now make all his wolves male if we think along the lines 'EW = female'; but that only comes into consideration tomorrow.

Edit: Fea, you miss my point. I was demonstrating how Sleepy's theory doesn't work. He doesn't know you're not my minion.

[Thinlómien]

I'm afraid I might not be able to come back after this, so here it goes:

++Alcarillo

He hasn't sat right with me at any phase during this game. He is a wolf, I think.

Now, you must be asking, why am I after wolves though a few hours ago I was convinced that we must find the EW and raging about a stupid list. I apologise, Gurthang, O Mighty GW, I did not see the point. After reading your and Cara's posts I can see it. The village hunts wolves. GW and the seer hunt the EW.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Edit: Fea, you miss my point. I was demonstrating how Sleepy's theory doesn't work. He doesn't know you're not my minion. (Bold my own)

Odd choice of wording, my friend. Possibly a harmless slip but for some odd reason it clears you in my mind...

++Feanor

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Odd choice of wording, my friend. Possibly a harmless slip but for some odd reason it clears you in my mind...
It's certainly an odd choice of wording, but one that clears him? I'm more likely to entertain the notion that he's EW and you're one of his minions and he hasn't told you your compatriots because of it than I am to vindicate him over it.

[Glirdan]

Sorry it took me so long to get back. I kind of dozed off for a bit and just woke up.

Glirdan--Far too little talk and I always fear that this could be a diversionary tactic. Of course he wouldn't be a wolf because he's never around...but then wouldn't that be just perfect?(morm)

Did I not say that I was going to be away for two Days (four in RL)? I could have sworn I did...

Morm's analysis of Zali really makes her look guilty in my eyes, yet, I'm not quite convinced she is. How do we know that she's not a very confused innocent?

I don't think he's the EW. Now, you may think this is a somewhat dangerous strategy, and I am well aware of the troubles we could face, but don't you think it would be worth lynching our females to get the EW? I am certain the Great One made the EW female to balance the male GW. Don't you all think that's very likely?

(And I'm not just saying that because some people suspect I'm the EW. ) (Eomer)

You know, this isn't that much of a crackpot theory as it first sounds. I wouldn't be surprised if you happened to be right and it might be a good idea to follow this stratagey. Let's see, there are seven men and twelve women. Seeing as Gurthang is the GW, that leaves a total of six unkown men and still twelve unknown women. If we look at these statistics, it looks far more probable that the EW is a woman.

You know what? I'm under suspicion again. Terrific.(Zali)


No! Really? I thought it was the man in the moon.


C. I have not been playing well, and I know it. I think my brain is having a stupid week. I'm smarter than this, and if I was a wolf, I'd certainly be working a little harder to attract less suspicion. I've made some dumb choices

Ya, I've noticed you've been playing oddly as well, which makes you suspicious. According to my books of lore, there are very few people who play the same way whether they be innocent, Gifted or Cursed and, by the looks of it, you don't fall under that category.

I'll be around if you need me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

All post counts are as of the time that I checked them and are therefore slightly out of date.

Quiet Players:

Zali – 15
Glirdan - 12
Alcarillo - 10
Oddwen - 8
Sleepy Ranger - 7
Eonwe - 4

There are dead villagers that have made more noise than these people.

Average Players:

Caranlondien - 33
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant - 27
Jenny Hallu – 21
Kath - 18
Kitanna - 18

They're not too loud, not too quiet; tend to blend in a bit.

Loud Players:

Diamond - 52
Roa Aoife - 52
Lalaith – 51
Gurthang - 41
Eomer - 39
mormegil - 37
Lommy – 37
Feanor - 36

The ones people are paying attention to.

Next post on its way.

[Sleepy Ranger]

It's certainly an odd choice of wording, but one that clears him? I'm more likely to entertain the notion that he's EW and you're one of his minions and he hasn't told you your compatriots because of it than I am to vindicate him over it.

One could take it anyway really, I believe todays lynching will tell us something. Of course, who in their right mind would point out that a certain something makes them look like the villain? Anyway, you're a frisky player and I never know what to make of you, lets hope I havent made wrong this time.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Henceforward I'm removing Gurthang from my list for obvious reasons. I'm removing myself because I'm not guilty. If you feel the need to include me within my thoughts, feel free.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Odd choice of wording? What are you talking about? Sleepy suspected Fea of being Eomer's minion; Fea points out that she is not Eomer's minion; Eomer points out that Sleepy doesn't know that Fea is not Eomer's minion.

Sleepy doesn't know that, so can you give an explanation why it's odd? And if this does somehow indicate that I'm evil, Sleepy, then why on earth would it clear me? You are making very little sense to me.

Lommy, the village needs as many shots at finding the EW as possible, so that includes lynch-votes. Or am I totally wrong? Is your proposition something that the village has discussed thus far?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Who I find most likely in each group to desire a position of Evil Wizardry :

Diamond
Roa Aoife
Eomer
mormegil

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Kitanna

Zali
Alcarillo
Oddwen
Sleepy Ranger

The two I know nothing about:

Eonwe
Caranlondien

Semi-Vindicating (from the role of EW ONLY):

Lalaith
Lommy
Jenny Hallu
Kath
Glirdan

[Kath]

Thanks for that Zali! Isn't it nice to have a calm discussion :) I think I understand where everyone was coming from now, but I don't think Zali guilty.

So, from that list my only real suspicion is:

++ALCARILLO

My mind won't change so there is little point in waiting to vote, and I'm not entirely sure that I would be back by the deadline as we have a film to watch.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sleepy doesn't know that, so can you give an explanation why it's odd? And if this does somehow indicate that I'm evil, Sleepy, then why on earth would it clear me? You are making very little sense to me.

No, what you said made me believe you're innocent. It didn't make you look evil to me in anyway, as for Fea, she was the only person I had left seeing how I'm still not too comfortable about whats happening.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Funny that; considering the implication appeared to be that I had made an evil Freudian-slip.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Evil Wizard:

Fea.

Her monsters:

Caranlondien, Lalaith, and 2 others.

++FEA

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Who has played most suspiciously (from my perspective) from each group:

Diamond
Roa Aoife
Eomer

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant

Zali
Alcarillo


Semi-Vindicating (from the role of EW ONLY)

mormegil
Oddwen
Sleepy Ranger
Kitanna

[Thinlómien]

Lommy, the village needs as many shots at finding the EW as possible, so that includes lynch-votes. Or am I totally wrong? Is your proposition something that the village has discussed thus far? I disagree. Someone has to try to get rid of the wolves.

As for some of the silent players, being silent might as well mean being uninterested in the game or being too lazy to try to catch up with our daily page count or to really be in a hurry (like Glirdy) rather than using silence as a tactic.

[Glirdan]

As for some of the silent players, being silent might as well mean being uninterested in the game or being too lazy to try to catch up with our daily page count or to really be in a hurry (like Glirdy) rather than using silence as a tactic.(Lommy)

Try this one little sis: having RL problems in the middle of a game as well as that drated time zone disease. Yes, I am always in a hurry rather than use scilence as a tactic. My reasoning behind this is that every time I go silent, people begin to suspect me of Wolvish crimes. So, I'd rather speak up than stay silent. And the only reason why I've been unusually silent this time around is because I had things to do in RL. I will be tryinig my best to get up to my normal standards.

[Roa_Aoife]

As promised:

Lalaith Analysis (I'm going to do this in the same style I did Diamond. I do not intend offense; I'm just trying to find the truth.)

Day 1
1st post - Nonsense, denies being the turned wolf, Infamous Cannon-fodder theory.

I believe this theory has been the source of much of the suspicion in Lal's direction (and I'm curious as to who started that….), but to me it looks like a decent theory, and one that may be accurate. Because we don't know who the EW is at this time, we don't know if it's true, but it's not an inherently bad theory.

2nd - wonders about time

3rd - Worried that time has run out, Votes Loki, says it fits in with her cannon fodder theory

I'm curious, and perhaps she can answer this, if she meant that Loki was the fodder or the cannon? That is, was he the wolf supposed to be lynched to make another look better, or was he the wolf supposed to do the lynching.

Day 2
1st - wonders if the EW knew which wolf had been turned back, points out that unless Loki was telling the truth, her cannon fodder theory does not apply, disappointed about the seer's failed dreaming, wonders about the people who do not vote, makes list of Day 1's non-voters, says there were only two wolves during Night 2, says she trusts the phantom but every time the phantom is completely trusted the village suffers, disagrees with Diamond and Fea's suggestion to hunt out the Good Wizard.

Well, a lot was said in this post. The question about the EW knowing which wolf was turned seems to denote that she isn't the EW, but it could just be that she's trying to cover her tracks and make us think she really didn't know. She also pointed out that her cannon fodder theory didn't apply to Loki unless he was actually the turned wolf, which suggests that she doubted it at this time. Since she used her cannon fodder theory as her reason for voting him, it seems somewhat contradictory. I also wonder about her bringing up the non-voters. It had been stated several times before that the non-voters would be left alone till the village was smaller. Was she just curious or trying to lower the number of villagers?

2nd - Response to Spawn, clarifies theory

3rd - Response to Celuien, defends theory, supplies Diamond quote for Spawn

The defense of her theory was quite reasonable, and I find nothing really suspicious in it. The supply of a rather incriminating quote from Diamond doesn't look to good though.

4th - points out that the changed wolf might not have come forward because s/he didn't want to die, suggests SPM may have been the changed wolf

As someone who believed in Loki's innocence, I don't really like this statement, but as many people were saying something like this at the time, I don't think it singles her out.

5th - Suggests that Loki just wanted attention, doesn't think he was the turned wolf, thinks it would have been risky for the GW to pick him, offers apologies to Loki

This is weird for two things. I don't think the statement made about Loki just wanting attention was really fair of her. But then she apologized to him. Apologies = just plain weird.

6th - Responds to LMP's clarification of the rules

7th - Not convinced about Nogrod, says she's going to try to find wolves by instinct, is uncomfortable with Gurthang and Celuien, decides to vote Oddwen by process of elimination between the leaders in vote

This post is her weirdest one yet. She states that she's suspicious of Gurthang and Celuien, yet she votes Oddwen who she had no prior suspicion of because she's more wolf-like than Nogrod.

Day's 3 and 4 wil follow, but not necessarily together.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Eomer might actually have a point with having one male, one female. LMP was worried about having even numbers of players…

Merely to entertain the notion... Since we have Glindurthang, it could (theoretically) vindicate Eomer and Alcarillo.

Gurthang, I have a question...

Why haven't I been scried or dreamt of? That's pretty much the first thing that's always done, but it hasn't been.

Edit: by even numbers, I meant gender-wise. Just to clarify.

[Glirdan]

Well, here's a vote update:

1. morm --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 1)
2. Oddwen --> Feanor (Alcarillo 1, Feanor 1)
3. spawn --> Feanor (Alcarillo 1, Feanor 2)
4. Caranlondien --> Feanor (Alcarillo 1, Feanor 3)
5. Thinlomien --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 2, Feanor 3)
6. Sleepy Ranger --> Feanor (Alcarillo 2, Feanor 4)
7. Kath --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 3, Feanor 4)
8. Eomer --> Feanor (Alcarillo 3, Feanor 5)

That leaves:

Diamond
Roa Aoife
Lommy
Glirdan
Kitanna
Alcarillo
Feanor
Zali
Jenny Hallu
Lalaith
Eonwe
Gurthang

As for myself, I'm still leaning towards voting for Zali. Somehow, I don't think that Fea is as evil as people are making her out to be. In all honesty, I think that she's probably a Wolf, not the EW. So, unless something else pops up, my vote will be for Zali.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm also leaning toward a vote for Zali since she's on my list of six AND she's on Glindurthang's hit list.

But I'll admit right now that if it comes down to me or Alca, I have no qualms about voting to keep myself alive. I know I'm innocent but I don't know if he is. We can't afford to kill somebody that I know is innocent.

[Roa_Aoife]

Lalaith analysis, cont.

Day 3
1st post - Congratulates village, answers Firefoot's question about why there was a hunter before a Ranger

2nd - Points out that Naria wouldn't have known that Nogrod was a fellow wolf

3rd - says she went back over her knowledge of Oddwen, and states that her behavior is consistent with how she's always acted

Considering the near random vote for Oddwen the previous day, this looks, well, odd. I suppose one good turn around deserves another.

4th - gives a basic summary of EW activity, wonders on which night Naria and Nogrod were turned, suggests that both wolves living were innocent on Day1, gives three possibilities for the changed wolf, wonders about the GW activity

5th - Curious as to what Cailin meant by the hunter not picking Naria, restates order of nightly events, realizes that Nogrod, Naria, or phantom could have been the changed wolf

This post doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me- it mostly just sounds like confused babbling, and, for the second post in a row, she doesn't really say anything

6th - can't find LMP's post about the hunter role

7th - Find's the post about the hunter role

8th - points out that Fea's reaction to the N thing wasn't all that odd, believes Naria was the Night 3 wolf, believes that one Night 1 wolf still lives, refuses to accept Loki as the turned wolf, agrees that finding the EW is more important than finding wolves

9th - admits that it is possible that Nogrod was a night 2 wolf, but doesn't really buy this theory

10th - Clarification on the hunter role

11th - Denies being the changed wolf, thinks we should be trying to determine when the current wolves were turned

While her cannon fodder theory was logical and accurate, this idea is just the opposite. We have no way of knowing when the current wolves were turned. The only ones who do are the EW and the wolves, and it would be far too easy for them to direct attention where they wanted it to go.

12th - Thinks Kath made a good spot about Nilp

13th - Wonders why Eomer linked SPM and Naria

14th - "I was so engrossed in the game; I'd forgotten those blasted family trees. Thanks, Caran."

15th - agrees with Cailin, thinks Roa's passion/aggressiveness is normal behavior, attributes it to red-hair, points out that the ones being suspected are "the usual suspects," wonders whether to vote Gurthang or Celuien, or Valier

16th - Doesn't think Zali or Eomer are guilty. Votes Celuien.

17th - will look at Valier the following Day, "if we are all spared"

The phrase "if we are all spared" bothers me somewhat, but I doubt it's all that serious. However, Lal does suddenly become far more vocal on this day. Her posts on the other hand, don't say a whole lot, leading her to the "lots of volume, little substance" category, which I always find fishy.

Day 4 (dear Lord) coming up soon)

[Roa_Aoife]

Right now I have no idea at all for whom to vote. If I have enough people ask me, heck, I'll vote for myself to make life easier all the way around.

But I'll admit right now that if it comes down to me or Alca, I have no qualms about voting to keep myself alive. I know I'm innocent but I don't know if he is. We can't afford to kill somebody that I know is innocent.

:confused: :rolleyes: ;)

Okay, there was no actual point to that, as I realize Fea's previous statement was a joke. I just found it funny.

[Lalaith]

We have no way of knowing when the current wolves were turned.

Sigh. Roa, that has been my main theory for two or three days now, and I'm clearly not explaining myself very well if you've been going over my posts and haven't understood my argument.
We can make good guesses - because the EW is not going to waste a curse on someone who is just going to be lynched the same day. So s/he is unlikely to be someone who was nearly lynched the day before. Like your good self the day Valier just beat you in the vote.
For example, you'll see that a whole bunch of us thought that Valier was probably a Night Three wolf because of this theory.

[Gurthang]

Another point I was considering yesterday. I noticed a couple of comments concerning Roa's and Diamond's unhappiness with Gurthang's plan. They seemed to be like: "Oh, no wolf would come out that strongly against the GW in public." But isn't this what the evil ones would bank on? We're all thinking it would be more likely for the monsters to just hide in the shadows as regards the plan of the GW; and this grants them the privilege to hide in the open, as it were.

I've thought about this too, and that's a reason that I find Azaelia suspicious. Her vote yesterday was definitely against everything that the plan was about, and more or less earned her another day on the list.

Azaelia is now actually looking innocent to me. Her posts, from 768 onward, are, quite frankly, the kind of thing I would do if I were in her shoes. Under a lot of suspicion and possibility/likelihood of getting lynched, I'd simply post the facts about myself. So now I don't really want to vote for her.


Also, to those suspecting me simply because I might have done some thing like what's happened were I the EW, please, come up with better reasons. You don't know who I would pick or what I would do as an EW. The role is entirely different than that of a wolf, which you have recorded in you lorebooks. You can "see" me doing something to that effect, but all that is just speculation, and not really evidence.
This is true, and one reason that I think we as villagers (I may be the wizard, but I'm still a villager, too.)should be looking for the wolves. I have plenty of resources to help me find the EW during the Night, and you guys are way better at picking out who are wolves.


Odd choice of wording, my friend. Possibly a harmless slip but for some odd reason it clears you in my mind...
Odd, perhaps; clearing, definitely not. This makes me suspect you, Sleepy, because it really doesn't seem logical in my mind to say such a thing.



Why haven't I been scried or dreamt of? That's pretty much the first thing that's always done, but it hasn't been.
Not sure. I know I've thought about it before, but it seemed like there was always someone who I felt more urgent to know about. And I think that you being the first one scried/dreamed of makes you less likely to be picked for evil. And, by that reasoning, I do not think I wll be voting for Fea.

And lastly, as far as Roa's post (two above), there might be a point, actually. It does seem a bit flippish. But on the same note, I agree that it probably isn't anything. I think that if it was a landslide in her direction, Fea would just add to the avalanche. If it's close, she'd push it to someone else. Two different situations; two different actions.

[Lalaith]

Oh and there wasn't much odd about my vote for Oddwen. I felt it necessary to break the tie, anything else would have been pusillanimous.

As for Loki and the cannon-fodder - I thought he would be a good choice for the EW to curse and then get killed. He had shown himself to be rather a stroppy person in the preliminary discussions, someone who would probably do something controversial fairly quickly, and it would be easy for the EW to construct a case against him.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I think that if it was a landslide in her direction, Fea would just add to the avalanche. If it's close, she'd push it to someone else. Two different situations; two different actions.
True enough. Though it's more like: at the beginning of the day, I really had no idea what I was doing based on my limited participation over the past week. Now, after having gone through things and made lists and had Ideas, I'm a lot more comfortable with actually thinking for myself.

I just accidentally hurt myself. I'm going to go try and fix it. I'll be back soon, I think. Because if it's a long-term fix like my shoulder, I'm just going to ignore it until at least 6:00.

[Roa_Aoife]

Sigh. Roa, that has been my main theory for two or three days now, and I'm clearly not explaining myself very well if you've been going over my posts and haven't understood my argument.

You know, at that point I had just read the theory. The more I read, however, the more I understand it.

Oh and there wasn't much odd about my vote for Oddwen. I felt it necessary to break the tie, anything else would have been pusillanimous.

Alright, I see your point, though I disgree with your reasons. I've always thought that we should vote for whomever we think is guilty, other people be damned. (One reason I had such a bad reaction to Gurthang's plan.) I do realize though that others don't follow this thought, so I'll let it go for now.

Day 4, coming soon

[Diamond18]

I can't say I really like Gurthang's assertion that the villagers should concern ourselves with wolves and leave the Evil Wizard to the big boys. But then, you already know how I feel about leaving the important work to the "big boys" (aka GW and Gifteds). I just find the idea that it's so unlikely that we'll catch the EW that we shouldn't even bother looking, to be a bit narrow minded.

Roa: so what you're saying is that you can be as condescending and judgmental as you like, but heaven forbid that I should take offense at being portrayed as a twaddle head? Okay.... I don't mind being suspected, after all I suspect other people, but your tone is always one of "This is how I play and it is the perfect way, anyone who doesn't play this way is either evil or stupid." Just thought I'd point that out to you. I let it slide after reading the analysis, trying to avoid a debate that Morm described as "so hot there would literally be flames" but now as I continue to post I do feel it rather behooves me to let you know that you're just being redundant, yourself, before you go ahead and critique my "nonsense" the usual way.

I'd like to know why Roa disappeared from the lynch-list after yesterDay, I have two theories on this, but feel it best to keep them to myself. I think toMorrow will answer any question I have on the matter. But right now I feel she's looking rather EWish. I don't think that Eomer's suggestion that LMP made the Wizards one of each sex is too far fetched -- not that I'm prepared to discount a male EW, and I might as well say that I think if the EW is male, it's Morm. But if it is female, that seems to make me, Roa, and Fea look the most likely. And of those three, Roa seems most likely to me.

I don't know what to think of Zali and Alcarillo, the two people I have to pick from (since I don't want to vote Fea or Kit) so I'll wait a bit more before voting.

[Kitanna]

Now to continue with what I left off with before bed...
DAY THREE
Alcarillo=
My son! My son! O phantom, my son! O, phantom, my favorite son! Your mother and I cherished you most of all our two children! *sob* O, phantom! Now Eomer is my only hope for grandchildren! *sob* But you have died honorably, phantom, with a dead werewolf in your hands! *sob*
The post that a lot of villagers felt was too in character and overboard.
Alcarillo=
If by yesterday's "overreaction" you mean my spirited defense, then I'll explain. Saucepan Man and I had exchanged votes on the first day, so naturally his death would point at me as a double-bluffing wolf, as some of you accused. If my defense seemed overeager, I suppose it was, but fingers across the village were pointing at me. I was the topic of debate, and I just wanted to dispel the dangerous rumors.
Another spirited defense of his actions from the Day before, regarding SpM death and suspicions of him. If I recall fingers weren't really being pointed at him, Alcarillo's name appeared several times, but most of the time he wasn't high up on anyone's list. So his defense does seem a little to defensive and odd.
Fea=
It is common knowledge that I'm a shady character whom the village never trusts. While I don't want to die, I won't refrain from putting forth ideas or plans, even if they might lead to my death. I don't want anybody taken for granted. I want the village to win. If that means killing me, I'll be a martyr, but I'm not going to keep thoughts to myself for self-preservation. That's a wolvish tactic that I've never been good at.
Fea speaks truth and her shady past does tend to get her killed. But labeling herself as a martyr worries me. It makes me a bit uncomfortable to hear anyone talking about such things, more so with Fea given past actions. I feel almost challenged by this statement, lynch her just to see what happens.
DAY FOUR
Alcarillo=
++Roa Aoife

Her rebellious talk is unsettling. I like the GW's plan. It's worth a shot. I'd trust the GW. He's essentially a seer, only un-kill-able by ordinary methods, and with multiple seers (GW and whatever seers he makes), I think we could really narrow down our list of unknown villagers.
I think this is noteworthy. A few villagers said Roa's rebellious talk made her seem less likely to be the EW or a wolf. The open talk against Gurthang and his plan seemed like the work of an innocent. Yet Alcarillo comes on after rare appearances since his spirited defenses and votes for Roa because she's rebellious. I'd say the EW or wolf would want to hide completely behind the GW's plan and back it as best s/he could, which is what Alcarillo did here.

I'm going to be totally honest and say I'm clueless about Fea. It's easy for her to go either way. As for Alcarillo, well on Day Two he mentioned if he was evil he'd be laying low and trying to divert attention from himself and since then he's been doing just that. Day Three he was mostly in character and Day Four he latched onto Gurthang's idea and shunned Roa for not doing the same.

I'll read today's posts and then cast my vote.

[Roa_Aoife]

Lalaith analysis, cont.

Day 4
1st post - points out flaw in Fea's theory, says that if a false GW comes forward, then the real GW can come forward, says we should bully him/her into coming out

2nd - Apologizes to Loki

3rd - hunter should stay hidden, agrees with Nilp, says she knew something was up with Gurthang, wants to know why the wolves attacked him, inclined to vote Valier

4th - wonders if Firefoot could come up with the List of Doom

5th - Notes that Gurthang can't PM Firefoot the name of the hunter since he can only pm with gifteds

6th - notes that by going by the list of the most suspected we could miss the turned wolf from the previous night, points out that drawing up a list for the next days lynching makes it easier for the EW to pick a new wolf

7th - collates information about voting patterns and wolf creations

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468819&postcount=653

Okay, now I get it.

8th - general impression of village

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468827&postcount=656

9th - says that she was worried that Gurthang would be challenged before he could make a list

10th - points out that the wolves could kill Nilp

11th - Notes that Kitanna had assumed the wolves knew each other, doesn't believe this to be true

12th - Questions Morm

13th - Lists rules regarding werewolf identities

14th - Votes Valier, impressed by Spawn's Roa=EW theory, has some other theories of her own

Have we heard those yet? I'd like to, if you have time. As for Day 5- you all can read that yourself.


After all this, there are some things that tweak me about Lal, but not enough for me to consider her guilty. My only concern is that she may be the wolf from last night, since she's intelligent and vocal but hasn't drawn much suspicion as of yet.

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa: so what you're saying is that you can be as condescending and judgmental as you like, but heaven forbid that I should take offense at being portrayed as a twaddle head?

I wasn't being condescending or judgemental. Nor did I portray you as a twaddle head. I've said this many times before- I will never, ever, insinuate that one of my fellow players is stupid, moronic, or twaddle-headed, because I simply don't believe it to be the case. Show me where I depicted you as a twaddle head, and I'll explain how that is not the case.

Okay.... I don't mind being suspected, after all I suspect other people, but your tone is always one of "This is how I play and it is the perfect way, anyone who doesn't play this way is either evil or stupid." Just thought I'd point that out to you.

I didn't realize this was my tone at all. I play according to what I think is best, but I've never claimed it was perfect. Nor have I ever stated that anyone who didn't play my way was stupid or evil. Infact, yesterday I was speaking aginst someone saying just that. I found the flaws in your posts and I brought them to light, and that was all I did.

but now as I continue to post I do feel it rather behooves me to let you know that you're just being redundant, yourself, before you go ahead and critique my "nonsense" the usual way.

First, you obviously weren't letting it slide, as you made the snide comment first.

Secondly, I don't see where I have been redundant. And as I said earlier, "nonsense" refers to in character posting, which I usually do not engage in, and have not for this entire game.

You over-reacted to my analysis, made a snide comment about me, and then accused be of being rude and close minded when the rudeness started with you.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Tea? Biscuits? Change of subject? Let's be nice, shall we?

We have evil people to lynch. We don't need an argument cluttering thoughts.

[Roa_Aoife]

You're right Fea, we shouldn't get into this- at least not here. Diamond, if you wish to continue, PM me, so we can work this out. (I have a feeling you work stuff out in a similar fashion to me, ie, yelling.)

[Alcarillo]

Just popping in quick to vote.

++Fea

To keep her ahead by a few votes.

Yes, I've been laying low for a while. But that's not because I'm evil! Just trying to survive here with votes flying at me.

[Kath]

Hey look, I returned! And I have to say guys though I don't condone this arguing, I love the term twaddle head :D

[Roa_Aoife]

Must get underway soon.

Alcarillo- I still think the cases against him are weak.

Zali- I think she's an innocent who is as clueless as the rest of us and far more unlucky.

That leaves Kitanna and Fea. Fea is (slightly) more suspicious than Kitanna, mostly because she's such an unknown element. So

++Fea

Maybe tomorrow the list will have some people I can get stronger ideas of.

[Gurthang]

Oh, just thought I'd mention: I've been keeping track of how long our ordeal is going to be in the lorebooks, and it looks like we've got the longest ever! Well, actually we broke the record with post #749 two pages ago. :rolleyes:


Just popping in quick to vote.

++Fea

To keep her ahead by a few votes.

Yes, I've been laying low for a while. But that's not because I'm evil! Just trying to survive here with votes flying at me.
Yeah, just got done going through his posts, and was actually thinking I wouldn't vote for him. Now this changes things a bit. Alcarillo, obviously, you care a lot more about your own health than about the village as a whole, which is suspicious to me. If I don't find anything significant in Kitanna's posts, then Alcarillo will receive my vote.

[Lalaith]

Right. Back to the pressing issue of voting.
After the fairly straightforward decision about Valier yesterday, I found this shortlist quite a tough one.

Kitanna could be a recent wolf. But I'm not sure enough about her one way or another to vote for her.
Azaelia was feeling innocent to me before, and she was too suspected to be a recent wolf. The only thing that bothers me about her is this Q&A she had with Kath which ended up making Zali look less guilty at the end of it and therefore made me wonder about the purpose of the whole exercise as a possible set-up.
Fea - I've gone back and forth about this and I've now decided to give her the benefit of the doubt, partly because I kind of concur with her EW theories, and partly because I think she's more likely an EW than a wolf I'm taking Gurthang's points on board about him finding the EW.
That leaves Alcarillo. He's as good as suspect as any to be the original surviving wolf.
++ALCARILLO

Roa, you asked about my own EW theories.
I think that the likeliest remaining candidates for EW are Fea, Diamond, Roa, Spawn, Eomer and Morm. Jenny and ( very maybe) Caran and Lommy are possibles.
Of the likely crowd, I am inclined to put Spawn and Eomer at the bottom of the list because of wolf choices. Morm has been feeling pretty innocent but he's definitely smart enough to pull a bluff.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Apologies for vanishing and leaving my vote until the end. I was going to show up about an hour ago, but then a thunderstorm blew in, and I had to wait.

So without further ado, I'm going to vote

++Alcarillo

Because I said I would. His behavior has been bothering me for a while. He's acting oddly, and I still think he's trying to disappear after making mistakes, which isn't exactly the way I'd go about it...It's hard to believe he'd be that un-sneaky as a wolf, given the fact that his wolfish ancestors are somewhat masters of the trade... But he's just been a little off ever since we woke up to find Elempi dead.

Edit: Cross-posted with Lalaith

[Kitanna]

I most certainly do not excuse Kitanna from my suspect list because of her sudden helpfulness yesterday.
Since a number of villagers have made this sort of comment I feel the need to defend myself. I've been more helpful because I haven't been too busy the last few days (RL-wise) and if I should survive the night I will probably go back to being unhelpful after toDay because work and such calls.

Fea=
I kind of don't blame you if you kill me (I see I'm on the hit list for the day)... but it's a bad idea. I'm innocent and quite frankly astounded I haven't been dreamt of, but as a village, we can't afford to make any mistakes.
There it is again. The type of statement that makes me want to lynch Fea just to see what happens, but also makes me hold back for fear she may be telling the truth.
I view Fea the same way I view Eomer. I suspect them, but when it comes down to it I have just enough doubt to keep me from actually voting for them.
Alcarillo=
Yes, I've been laying low for a while. But that's not because I'm evil! Just trying to survive here with votes flying at me.
Yet when mere suspicions were flying at you you defended yourself like there's no tomorrow. I'd think a person would act the opposite. Lay low with mere suspicions and defend themselves as best they could when votes began coming their way.

Now it comes down to it, Fea or Alcarillo.
I feel like some of Fea's posts are challenging me to vote for her because she'll become a "martyr" if she's lynched and proven innocent. I can see her as the EW, but her posts put doubt into my mind, which is probably what she was aiming to do.

I think Alcarillo is a wolf. He's been laying low and now when he should defend himself he votes for the other top suspect and disappears again. He said himself if he was evil he'd lay low. However, his change in behavior really began on Day Three which leads me to believe he's probably not the EW, but a wolf convert.

++Alcarillo

I would vote for Fea, but I have so much doubt about her I can't bring myself to do, but I'm confident Alcarillo is a wolf at least. His change in behavior is too disturbing for me to think he's innocent. I believe he was a wolf convert a few nights back. It would explain his suddent disappearance, only emerging to cast a vote. Plus he latched onto Gurthang's plan without even considering how it could go wrong and he voted the one on Gurthang's list that really spoke out against it.

[Glirdan]

Well, I don't have time to look over what's been said (I'm making supper in RL) so I'm going to vote for that person who still stands to me as suspicious

++Zali

Godd night everyone.

[Roa_Aoife]

Vote count

1. morm --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 1)
2. Oddwen --> Feanor (Alcarillo 1, Feanor 1)
3. spawn --> Feanor (Alcarillo 1, Feanor 2)
4. Caranlondien --> Feanor (Alcarillo 1, Feanor 3)
5. Thinlomien --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 2, Feanor 3)
6. Sleepy Ranger --> Feanor (Alcarillo 2, Feanor 4)
7. Kath --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 3, Feanor 4)
8. Eomer --> Feanor (Alcarillo 3, Feanor 5)
9. Alcarillo --> Feanor (Alcarillo 3, Feanor 6)
10. Roa_Aoife --> Feanor (Alcarillo 3, Feanor 7)
11. Lalaith --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 4, Feanor 7)
12. Zali --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 5, Feanor 7)
13. Kitanna --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 6, Feanor 7)
14. Glirdan --> Zali (Alcarillo 6, Feanor 7, Zali 1)
15. Diamond --> Alcarillo (Alcarillo 7, Feanor 7, Zali 1)

Voters left:
Feanor
Jenny Hallu
Eonwe
Gurthang

[Roa_Aoife]

Wait a minute- did Kath just vote Alca twice?

[Diamond18]

Lal -- you asked earlier where I found the post counts. When viewing ME Mirth, click on the number of posts for the thread and a pop up window will show you who has all posted ranked most to least.

Roa -- I would PM you but I don't think that's allowed. I'll keep it in mind for a later date.

I suppose I should vote now. Alcarillo's pop-in vote for Fea actually seems like the most suspicious thing he's done so far, because my lorebooks tell me that a werecat of his lineage took more or less the exact same approach, lay really low. So if he wasn't a wolf in the beginning of the game, when he was a bit more vocal, being turned could account for his increasing silence.

Also, since I'm not feeling much inclined to vote Zali, Fea, or Kitanna, that leaves:


+ + Alcarillo

[Lalaith]

No, Kitanna voted Alc.

[Diamond18]

Wait a minute- did Kath just vote Alca twice?

No, that was Kitanna just now.

[Roa_Aoife]

OKay, I've fixed it and added in Diamond's vote.

[Gurthang]

After glancing through Kitanna's posts, I didn't come up with anything that made me too suspicious. Actually, her and Alcarillo are about the same in my mind. Well, they would be... except for Alcarillo's vote just a little while ago.

++Alcarillo

Here's hoping he's a wolf.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Alcarillo

Told ya if it came down to it...

[JennyHallu]

Agh...taking care of Neal, would almost miss voting.

I'm feeling better about Zali with her attitude today, but Kitanna makes me nervous.

++Kitanna

P.S. Hubby is now feverish. I have not read the thread since about 4. Gah!

[Gurthang]

Alcarillo - 9
Feanor - 7
Azaelia - 1
Kitann - 1

That's it. Alcarillo, I really hope you're Lupine.

[littlemanpoet]

Voting is now closed.

Evil Wizard, pick a player to curse.

Gurthang the Good Wizard, pick a player to scry.

Seer, pick a player to dream (if you wish to). :p

Hunter, pick a player to hunt.

Werewolves, pick two players to kill.

[littlemanpoet]

Most of those left in the village were gathered in the graveyard, burying the corpse of Nearly Headless Nilpaurion. They did a lot of talking, most of it past each other.

"Oh dreadful day," said Spawn. "My husband is dead! How shall I manage with my children all by myself!"

Lalaith shook her head, other issues on her mind. "Another night without a seer-dream. Oh great. Gurthang, what ideas have you got?"

"Sorry for no dream, it may have been my fault," said Gurthang. "I am currently consulting my gifteds about toDay's list the Evil Wizard needs to be found, and soon. But do not give up hope!"

"I've started to seriously suspect Diamond," said Roa.

"I simply can't believe Eomer's still alive," Feanor commented absently. "Surely he must be evil."

"What is it with the carnage that's been visited on my family?" Diamond wondered.

Lalaith glanced at Roa through narrowed eyes. "I'm still worried about you, Roa. Your track record is the best of any of us, you've either attacked, or been attacked by, wolves in the most ostentatious fashion, so that no-one could possibly suspect you.... you see what I mean?"

"I see exactly what you mean," Roa replied evenly, "and it makes me wonder if it's supposed to be that way."

Caranlondien said, "Valier's attack on Roa seems to me like the sort of thing a Roa who was an Evil wizard would tell Valier to do. So Roa is by no means cleared in my mind."

"If you want to know who worries me a bit," Diamond offered, "it's Lalaith because I'd want her if I was the Evil Wizard. Do you think Valier was an original or turned?"

"Valier nearly did get me lynched yesterday, something that I would never want to risk if I were the Evil Wizard," Roa pointed out.

"Mind you, Diamond, I'd have thought the evil wizard would want you, too, even more," Lalaith commented.

Mormegil spoke up, unwilling to let the women do all the talking. "We have two chances each night of finding the evil wizard and we are only using one consistently. This is not good. Why is that seer not dreaming?"

"I don't trust Zali," - Gurthang interjected.

"Kath," continued Mormegil, "is guilty and should die. Feanor is so mauderous that I have difficulty assessing her."

"My list of doom is Alcarillo, Azaelia, Feanor, and Kitanna," Gurthang announced.

"Morm, what does mauderous mean?" asked Feanor.

"It means you're vague, incoherent, and aimless," Mormegil replied.

Little Oddwen spoke up, sounding not at all insane, which made some of the villagers wonder if it was all an act. "I'm most inclined to think that Zali is innocent. Do you really like that word, Morm, or is it a broad hint?"

"I don't quite follow how this could be a hint," Mormegil answered, "but I actually enjoy the word and I believe it is fitting of Fea."

Eonwe walked up from no-one knew where. "Sorry to be gone so much."

Ignoring him, Roa said, "I think Feanor's the most suspicious from Gurthang's list."

"I think Zali's a werewolf," Mormegil said.

"I'm an artful dodger and Mormegil's right, I'm a mauderer. Deal with it," said Feanor.

"Hey, maybe all four on Gurthang's list of doom are werewolves!" Caranlondien cried. The others looked at her with thinly veiled ridicule ready to be unleashed from their tongues. "Okay. Probably not."

"I agree with morm about Zali," said Gurthang. "I will likely vote for her toDay."

"I need to sleep on it," said Kitanna, and promptly lay down on the grass. Then she got up. "Okay, I couldn't sleep. After much analyzzz... never mind, I'm going to bed." She lay down again.

"Lalaith has been very busy but has largely escaped notice," Diamond observed.

"The list of doom in inadequate," Lalaith pronounced.

"I'm still wary of Caranlondien, too," said Spawn. "She seems unnaturally careful with her statements." Some of the villagers looked at Spawn as if she was cracked, after the silly thing Caranlondien had just uttered.

"Fea Fea Bo-Bea Bonana-Fana-Fo-Fea!" Diamond suddenly blurted. The others looked at her as if she was cracking, and really they couldn't blame her since she had lost so many family members. But they waited out of sheer curiosity for what banalities regarding Feanor might be forthcoming. Diamond was ready to supply. "I think she's innocent. Is there any specific reason why the list has to be limited to only four people? Are we, or are we not, looking for the Evil Wizard?"

"Truthfully, no," Gurthang answered. "Keep the werewolf numbers down. If we find the evil wizard while we're at it, that's good luck"

"A few days ago Feanor said that she wants to hunt out the Good Wizard because he's meant do die anyway - before he's had a chance to give us any gifteds. What's that all about?"

"I was joking!" Feanor cried.

"Oh."

"I think I could scream!" cried Lommy, unable to hold back any longer as the adults had hogged all the conversation until now (excepting Oddwen, of course). "Scream! Yes, that is the word. I'm sorry, honourable Gurthang, but I think your list is h-o-r-r-i-b-l-e. I think we should get the evil wizard, and soon. Our chances to get a wolf every day to stop them from increasing are minimal. We really should focus on the evil wizard."

"Zali and Kitanna are innocent," Oddwen announced. "Alcarillo, I think, is acting weird for Alcarillo. Feanor is acting pretty normal for Feanor."

"THE USUAL SIGNS AREN'T THERE!!!!" screamed Jenny suddenly. "And I don't trust Kitanna."

Lalaith waited for the effects of this outburst to dissipate, then said carefully into the tense silence, "The lorebooks say that when someone like Alcarillo is innocent, he's lynched or eaten early. When he's not, he survives until late or almost till the end. Make of that what you wish."

As if she had not heard, Diamond suddenly blurted, "I think Roa's being mean. She keeps suspecting me."

"Diamond," Roa answered, "if you don't like being suspected, don't stay in the village. Or are you just mad because I'm on to you?"

Glirdan walked up from no-one knew where. "Hi, I'm back, but I'll be gone again soon."

"I really think that catching the evil wizard would be most useful now," Spawn intoned.

"Don't you think it would be worth lynching our females to get the Evil Wizard?" Eomer asked.

"Feanor and Evil are synonymous," Sleepy threw in.

At this point the voting began, and the votes against Feanor piled up in a hurry.

As if to counter that very notion, and as if she had not heard it, Feanor said, "What does the village need done right now that I can do to help?"

"I feel like I'm under attack, rather than just under criticism," said Zali.

"Alcarillo has also been very defensive, often a wolvish trait," Kath added.

"I don't think the gender of the evil wizard is relevant," Lalaith said, looking squarely at Eomer, "and your focus on it is actually one of the few suspicious things about you. And Feanor, if you'd like to be useful, come up with some evil wizard theories."

"Okay!"

"There's a dear!"

"Somebody has to keep down the wolf population, right?" Caranlondien asked.

"Eomer is clearly a woman hater," Roa accused.

"Lalaith, you would make a great evil wizard," Eomer said. "And Feanor's not my minion." The other villagers wondered why he had thrown that last bit in.

"I get it now, Gurthang," Lommy said suddenly after having been in quiet thought for a while. "The village hunts wolves. Good Wizard and the seer hunt the evil wizard."

"That's right, Lommy-girl!" Gurthang smiled and patted the child on her head.

"Eomer's theory isn't that much of a crackpot theory as it first sounds," Glirdan said.

"Eomer, that's an odd choice of wording, that not my minion thing," said Sleepy. "And Feanor, you're a frisky villager and I never know what to make of you."

"Frisky, now?" Feanor shot back.

"Odd choice of wording, Sleepy? What are you talking about?" asked Eomer.

"Never mind, Eomer, what you said made me believe you're innocent," Sleepy answered.

"Gurthang," said Feanor, "I have a question. Why haven't I been scried or dreamt of?"

"Well, there was always someone who I felt more urgent to know about."

"Oh."

"I'm not pusillanimous, and Loki was stroppy," Lalaith suddenly blurted. Lommy and Oddwen sniggered into their hands, grinning at each other, saying 'stroppy' and giggling.

Diamond raised her head as high as she could, trying to regain that élan she had had before the Curse had ever come. "I just find the idea that it's so unlikely that we'll catch the evil wizard that we shouldn't even bother looking, to be a bit narrow minded. And Roa, you're being rude, calling me a twaddlehead."

"Diamond, you're being snide and I never called you a twaddlehead."

"Tea? Biscuits? Change of subject? Let's be nice, shall we?" said Feanor, though there were none of these luxuries anywhere to be seen around the graveyard.

Alcarillo ran to the graveyard from who knew where and cast a quick vote for Feanor, said "Toodles!" then hustled out of town again. This singular behavior drew the suspicions of lots of those who had yet to vote. It was singular bad timing on his part, as there were still enough voters left to undo the likely lynching of Feanor, and Alcarillo received the deciding votes.

Alcarillo's name had come from a fisherman and his wife, both of whom had passed on. They had never been away from Sealville. It was considered of the greatest likelihood that they had made up the name out of fragments they had heard from others about town, as they were not educated themselves. No one even knew what the name meant, or if it was supposed to have a meaning. Regardless, Alcarillo followed his father's footsteps and became a very good fisherman. So good, in fact, that he became captain of his own boat. Over the years he was so successful in the fish trade that he replaced one boat with another, and another, each one bigger and grander and faster than the last. He began to bring more home than fish, and was gone to sea for months at a time. Cailín, his wife, would get lonely, but as the years passed, the two sons Alcarillo gave her, Theph Antom, and Eomer, took up all her time, and she waited patiently for his return.

One summer, after his eldest boy had returned a strong and confident young man renamed the phantom, and both his sons had started to make their way in life, finding beauteous darlings for to glorify their elbows, he retired from the sea. For good. He bought a very fine house and made it up to Cailín for all his years of months away at sea. Everything was getting only better in their Autumn years. Until the Curse.

Now Cailín had been murdered and the phantom had been killed while killing a vicious werewolf, leaving only Eomer and Alcarillo to live in that emptying house. The shadows seemed to lengthen there, though no-one paid great heed to that, for the same was true everywhere else in Sealville.

So when the voting was complete, and Feanor wiped the sweat from her nervous brow at having barely escaped a lynching, Mormegil ordered Alcarillo to be tied up and drowned at sea, as a way of paying final respects for his profession. They tied him to the mast of the ship that he still called his own, and with a number of rowboats, they pulled the ship out to deep enough waters to sink it, then cut a hole in the bottom of the steerage, and the boat began filling with water fast. They cut the ropes and watched Alcarillo's boat begin to sink. He stared mournfully at them all as the boat sank lower and lower. The sun dipped to just above the horizon in the west when Alcarillo changed before their eyes. His eyes turned red and malicous. His face became animal. His arms and legs thickened, and he howled as he broke his bonds. It was too late, though. The boat sank with the werewolf aboard, and he drowned.

The remaining villagers rowed back to shore, feeling like they had accomplished something useful this day. Having stayed in the graveyard all day talking, they were very hungry and thirsty. They went to the Salty Seal and raided Saucy's and Celuien's pantries before going to bed.

~ The Tally ~ (7)

One evil wizard
One good wizard
Three werewolves
One seer
One hunter

~ The Dead ~ (13)

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf
Celuien the Healer and Cupper, lynched on Day Three: innocent
Lhunardawen the jeweler, committed suicide on Day Three: innocent
Cailín the match maker, mauled by werewolves on Night Four: innocent
Valier the gardener, planted and stoned in her garden on Day Four: werewolf
Firefoot the artist, frenziedly eaten on Night Five: innocent
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn, head almost ripped off by werewolves: innocent
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain, drowned on his boat on Day Five: werewolf

~ The Living ~ (18)

Diamond of the Battledore
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver
Roa Aoife the weaver
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker
Kath the minstrel
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna
Gurthang the stable-hand

[littlemanpoet]

The evil wizard cursed a villager that was not gifted, and again had four werewolves.

Gurthang scried a villager that was not a werewolf, and gifted that villager as his new ranger.

The seer dreamed of the evil wizard and reported the evil wizard's identity to Gurthang.

The ranger picked a villager to protect.

The hunter picked a villager to hunt.

The werewolves and the evil wizard settled on two villagers to kill.

[littlemanpoet]

Master and Mrs. Ranger, otherwise known as Sleepy and Roa, had a bustling little family in Caranlondien, Glirdan, and Lommy.

Caranlondien Ranger was the oldest, and having poured over the lorebooks of the village of Sealville, found her heart racing with the legendary ways of the village before the sea had eaten the land and drawn close to the village. She took to wandering far and wide across the wilderness, and taught herself skills for surviving and moving quickly. On her excursions, she found the ways of the reindeer, for which she had been searching. She captured and took two home with her, and started breeding them. She went on more excursions and captured more, until she had a small herd. During the winter she gathered six reindeer from the herd she had developed painstakingly, and she hitched them to the sled she had made, and she made off into the wild, leaving Sealville far behind for weeks at a time. To the village's surprise, she returned with furs and salted meats and choice sprigs of herbs that she traded with Celuien for her needs. She was not stuck in the village during the summer months, either, for she had a second sled with wheels. Now, this was stranger to see, for she still used reindeer, but now they were hitched to a small wagon. She took with her that which she had won in the wild, or in Sealville by trade, and went to markets near and far, honing her skills of making a good deal, and wended her way back to Sealville after months in the summer, more well off than she had started. Sleepy and Roa were proud of her, though Roa was displeased that the young woman was hardly home. She was an eligible young lady, and quite fair of face, all things considered, but she refused to stay long. Unlucky for her that she had been in Sealville when the Curse had come.

Lommy Ranger looked up to her older sister, and thought to herself that she would like to take what she had and turn it into better by trade just like Caran did. Except that Lommy didn't know how that was done, so she used her imagination. And that was how it came to be that, not knowing what to say, she decided that Caran must be quick of hand and foot, and must leave the things behind that she didn't want, and took what she did while others were not looking. That was how it came to be that Lommy would leave a clam shell or a pebble, or when she was feeling more generous, even a colored stone that she thought must be gems, for she had gotten them out of the bay, from the floor where the sun had sparked them to shining brilliance. All she ever took was candy and cookies, so she wasn't sure that she was getting the better deal. Once, she had taken an especially scrumptious looking chocolate favor from the filthy little Oddwen, in exchange, of course, for a most beautiful ruby pebble she had found in a little puddle near the bay that day, and Oddwen had seen her as she dashed off, yelling imprecations upon her head, and bawling at the top of her lungs. Lalaith fretted over Oddwen, not ever able to make sense out of what the little waif said, so Lommy got off free that time. But she learned to be more careful after that. It was a shame that it was the last time.

Four werewolves descended upon the house of Ranger, splitting into pairs, with orders to seek out the two young females in the house. Roa and Sleepy were in bed, sleeping. Glirdan was in bed, snoring away. Two werewolves found little Lommy in bed. One picked her up by the hair and clapped a clawed hand over her mouth so that she couldn't scream. Her eyes were wide with terror. The other werewolf pushed her, and pushed her again, until she was swinging by her hair, a human pendulum. She wondered in her fright and follical pain why they were doing this.

Meanwhile, the second pair entered the private bedchamber of Caranlondian, but found her missing. They sniffed from side to side, looked up and down, under the bed, inside her wardrobe; she was nowhere to be found. They loped out of the Ranger house, sniffing for her, since now they had her scent very well in nose.

The werewolf holding Lommy as she swayed back and forth, let go of a sudden as the second werewolf gave a sudden push, and Lommy was spinning through the air, head over heals over head, until she crashed head first into the wall. Her skull was crushed and she fell down the wall to the floor. The two werewolves pounced. When they were done, all that remained was a fear filled face, and a hand holding up a small piece of candy uneaten.

Meanwhile, the two other werewolves had homed in on the scent of Caranlondien, and they whispered foully to each other regarding where she was found. The home of Alcarillo and Cailín, and their live-in son, Eomer, was a two story affair that featured four dormers, two on each side of the stately house. Caranlondien had situated herself just to the inside of the rightmost of the two front dormers, which happened to be the front window of Eomer's room. In one hand she held the hilt of a glinting sword, and in the other a foot long dagger. She had seen them even as they had seen her.

"You'll not get him, if he's the one you're looking for," she murmured. "You'll have to kill me instead."

They chuckled in their foul throats. "You're the one we're after, little fool."

They galloped toward the house, leaped, and landed on the roof. Caranlondien whipped out her sword and dagger, trying to keep both werewolves in view. But they were cagey, and kept themselves one in front, and one behind, so that no matter how quickly she turned, one or the other had moved more quickly still, hiding in and around the dormers, until in growing desperation, she leaped from the roof to the ground and almost, almost withstood the shock of the fall, but heard and felt a painful crunch in both ankles, and she fell to the ground. The werewolves were upon her in an instant, and taking both daggers and sword, they skewered her where she lay, then began to feed on the remaining Carankabob.

By morning all the werewolves were gone, and as the villagers gathered, they found the two skeletal remains at the foot of the Watcher rock. The Watchers looked out to sea, mournful as ever, tears staining their faces. The villagers proceeded to respectfully bury the remains of the new victims, making sure to place Caranlondien's sword and daggers beside her, and Lommy's little piece of uneaten candy upon her lips.

~ The Tally ~ (8)

One evil wizard
One good wizard
Four werewolves
One seer
One hunter

~ The Dead ~ (15)

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf
Celuien the Healer and Cupper, lynched on Day Three: innocent
Lhunardawen the jeweler, committed suicide on Day Three: innocent
Cailín the match maker, mauled by werewolves on Night Four: innocent
Valier the gardener, planted and stoned in her garden on Day Four: werewolf
Firefoot the artist, frenziedly eaten on Night Five: innocent
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn, head almost ripped off by werewolves: innocent
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain, drowned on his boat on Day Five: werewolf
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy, broken and consumed on Night Six: innocent
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver, skewered and kabobed on Night Six: ranger

~ The Living ~ (16)

Diamond of the Battledore
Roa Aoife the weaver
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker
Kath the minstrel
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna
Gurthang the stable-hand

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Gurthang, will you challenge?

[Roa_Aoife]

What choice does he have? But he will not get the chance to challenge....

Heed me, village!

*Every head turned to see what she wished to say. Roa stared at everyone with a completely blank expression upon her face. Slowly, at first, she began to laugh. It was a cold laugh, empty of any joy or feeling, and it sent a shiver through the watching villagers. As it reached crescendo, Roa's expression turned to one of pure malice, and she grinned a poisonous grin in Gurthang's direction. The villagers cowered behind their Good Wizard, now seeing the weaver for her true self.*

Yes, I am the Evil Wizard, and I challenge you, Gurthang, to a duel! We shall see whose power is greater, and who will reign supreme in MY village!

*With that Roa brought forth a staff of white- it was not a white of purity, but a white of decay, like a single dead tree in the middle of a vast wasteland. Darkness swirled around it, like a living shadow, and black energy crackled from the tip. Her long red hair flew back from the force of the power being released.*

You will not last long now!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I freaking knew it! I TOLD YOU SO.

Why do you keep voting for me Fea? Why why why? I don't understand it. You have bad reasoning.

HA! Evil evil evil and I caught it on Day 1 even with real life issues clouding my thoughts! You have no clue just how glad I am to see you go. HA.

[Roa_Aoife]

You have no clue just how glad I am to see you go. HA.

Ouch. What did I ever do to.... oh, right... that whole trying to take over the village thing and the killing thing. Nevermind then.

And you didn't have bad reasoning- you had no reasoning. :p

[Gurthang]

Yes, I am the Evil Wizard, and I challenge you, Gurthang, to a duel! We shall see whose power is greater, and who will reign supreme in MY village!


So we shall.

But before we get to that. I have things to attend to. :p :D

*And with that, Gurthang rasied his staff in one hand, and raised the other arm along with it. A dark cloud began to emanate from his feet. It curled up around him, forming a dark ball so that he could not be seen. He was completely enveloped by the dark, shielding sphere.

Roa laughed and raised her staff. A ball of fire shot from the end, straight at Gurthang's dark cloud. It hit, went straight in, and came straight out the other side, barely missing the frightened villagers. The cloud quickly dissipated, revealing that Gurthang was no longer there!*

[Roa_Aoife]

Silly Gurthang. You think that will save you?

*Roa removed her cloak to reveal a dress seemingly white, but on closer inspection seemed to be living fog. It enveloped her, and she too, vanished, huntiing Gurthang wherever he went.*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I had every reason in the world, Roa. The Loki thing never worked for me, nor did the Nogrod thing. You made my hit list every day. You play too much like me and I know what I'm like when I'm evil. It wasn't hard to figure out. The only thing that had me questioning myself at all was medical stuff that's been clouding my thoughts. I couldn't get my supporting details until yesterday when I became almost absolutely certain it was you but I couldn't vote for you lest I die and let one of your wolves live ergo I had to reeeeeally hope that tonight you either got caught or turned me to one of yours (yeah, I'm a little vindictive about that whole everyone almost killed me thing). But I sure as heck didn't want to die because then I wouldn't get the satisfaction of trying to kill you more. And you KNOW I've been trying. Why on earth did you let me live?

[mormegil]

*Mormegil looks questioningly at the location where Gurthang and Roa were just standing, glances at his 14 fellow villagers and gives a puzzled look and receives 14 other puzzled looks in reply*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

They um... they disappeared while I was ranting. Are they coming back?

[mormegil]

Gurthang if you come back will you give us another list of doom so we can have one last untainted list? It seems to have been very effective so far and I think 4 is a good number.

[Kath]

If not we could always go back to that old thing called 'using our initiatives'. We did fine before Gurthang revealed as well remember.

[mormegil]

If not we could always go back to that old thing called 'using our initiatives'. We did fine before Gurthang revealed as well remember.

Yes dear Kath I well remember, however it is nice to have a list that may aid us in our quest.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

True enough, Kath, but still... Gurthang knows a couple innocents. It would be nice to narrow down our kill list to avoid them. Still... I'm willing to take my chances. I'm feeling pretty cocky about my intuition right now. :cool:

ed: x-d morm

[Kath]

Just checking ;)

[Kuruharan]

...even though LMP will probably be disappointed he didn't get to do this himself...

The wizards both reappeared in a flash.

Roa stared at everyone with a completely blank expression upon her face. She began to laugh: cold, empty of any joy or feeling, sending a shiver through the villagers. As it reached crescendo, Roa's expression turned to pure malice, and she grinned a poisonous grin at Gurthang. The villagers cowered behind their Good Wizard, now seeing the weaver for what she was.

"Yes, I am the Evil Wizard, and I challenge you, Gurthang, to a duel! We shall see whose power is greater, and who will reign supreme in MY village!"

With that Roa again brought forth a staff of white - not a white of purity, but of decay, like a dead tree in the middle of a vast wasteland. Darkness swirled around it, like a living shadow, and black energy crackled from the tip. Her long red hair flew back from the force of the power being released.

Gurthang glowered and threw back his cloak to reveal his swirling black cloak and a staff of ebony tipped in bronze. From it shone bright light that caused a gale to blow out in all directions from Gurthang and his staff.

"Fall back to the Watchers!" he cried to the villagers as he kept his gaze on Roa. The villagers hid their faces from the sudden blast, and they half ran, were half blown away to the Watcher rock.

The Watchers looked out to sea.

The blazing light from Gurthang met the black swirling energy of Roa half way between them.

"You have dared to much," Gurthang gritted.

"You don't know the half of it," Roa smirked.

"How did you get three curses in one night?"

"The Shadow gave them to me."

"But why?"

"To take vengeance of the Watchers' tricks of warning you early of me, and of enhancing your hunters."

"I should have known."

As they were talking, Roa's black swirl ate away at Gurthang's light. He gritted his teeth and concentrated the harder. Little by little the caconexus* of black and light returned to the middle.

"Who is your hunter?" Roa asked.

"I'll not tell you! Do you think me a fool?"

Roa smiled a hideous smile by way of reply, but added, "Are your seers dreaming?"

Gurthang scowled. The caconexus again began to forge its way toward Gurthang.

"Are your hunters finding werewolves without the kindness of my werewolves?"

"Kindness you call it," Gurthang retorted. "You do not know kindness!"

The caconexus moved back toe the center.

"Who were your first werewolves?" Gurthang asked.

"You will have to figure that out for yourself," Roa grinned.

"Very well," Gurthang glowered. "I do notice, however, that you have been more effective at killing off your werewolves than I."

With this revelation the caconexus suddenly pushed toward Roa. She frowned in surprise and redoubled her efforts. She did not understand what made the nexus eat toward her.

Gurthang smiled. "Whom did you curse the next few nights?"

"Figure it out for yourself!"

Back to the center crawled the point of power that would destroy anything in its way.

"Maybe that one is still alive," Gurthang commented.

"You'll not get anymore information from me," Roa retorted.

Both redoubled their efforts, trying to break the general stalemate. Then Gurthang had a new thought. The power of good was the willingness to lay down one's life for one's friends. It did not matter to him if he was killed, as long as Roa did not survive. He sensed that she had no such intention and was ruled by ambition to own Sealville, and more villages beyond. He narrowed his eyes and redirected the light from his staff, not to head off the blackness, but to climb along it and braid in, around, and through it. And so it began.

The caconexus turned into a knot of power, a swirling thread of light and dark - seemingly a mix of gray, but Gurthang knew that the light and the dark could be discerned one from the other. Slowly he threaded the light along the line of dark emanating from Roa's staff. Slowly the swirling darkness from Roa twined its way along the light from Gurthang's staff.

Roa's eyes betrayed fear.

"Do you wish to live, Roa?"

She said nothing. The fear left her eyes and was replaced by a determined will. "These fools need you," she said. "If you throw away your life they are doomed."

"You do wish to live," Gurthang smiled.

The light and the dark had braided three quarters of the way down the lines of power in both directions. The dry wind that blew from the both wizards and all the power between them was a gale that blew the dust of years into the air, and the sun was hidden from Sealville.

"If I die, you die," Roa snapped.

"With both of us dead, you can curse no more innocent villagers."

"Innocent you call them! Do you not know that I can curse them because they are not pure?"

Gurthang smiled a sad smile. "Good and ill cross lines in each villager here, and each must choose the light or the dark."

"Fool! I could curse every last one of them, so much darkness is in each of them!"

"My sacrifice will strengthen their resolve to resist your werewolves."

The thread of power was almost braided its full length. Roa's staff shook in her grip. She licked her lips. Gurthang held firm, knowing what the end was.

"They will need more that resolve. My werewolves will have to be fools to lose the advantage I have forged for them!"

"Be that as it may," Gurthang said, "You will not be alive to see it."

"Nor you, fool!"

With that, the braiding was complete. Suddenly, swirling blackness exploded Gurthang's staff. Simultaneously, light exploded Roa's. In the next instant, both wizards were consumed: Gurthang's body was twisted into contortions impossible to survive. Roa's body burned in a white fire, flames reaching high above her. In moments, Gurthang was a heap of mangled flesh, and Roa was a pile of ash. The powers of light and dark dissipated, the dust cloud slowly cleared, blown away on a north wind, and the villagers crept fearfully back into the middle of the village to observe the remains of the wizard battle.

At first, no one spoke. Then a word was uttered, an imprication was sounded, then a phrase was offered, then a point made, then a counterpoint posed, and soon the villagers were readying themselves for another lynching.

*caconexus: yes, I just coined the word; caco = demonic; nexus = central point.

~ The Tally ~ (6)

Four werewolves
One seer
One hunter

~ The Dead ~ (17)

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf
Celuien the Healer and Cupper, lynched on Day Three: innocent
Lhunardawen the jeweler, committed suicide on Day Three: innocent
Cailín the match maker, mauled by werewolves on Night Four: innocent
Valier the gardener, planted and stoned in her garden on Day Four: werewolf
Firefoot the artist, frenziedly eaten on Night Five: innocent
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn, head almost ripped off by werewolves: innocent
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain, drowned on his boat on Day Five: werewolf
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy, broken and consumed on Night Six: innocent
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver, skewered and kabobed on Night Six: ranger
Roa Aoife the weaver: Evil Wizard
Gurthang the stable-hand: Good Wizard

~ The Living ~ (14)

Diamond of the Battledore
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker
Kath the minstrel
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna

Just to be clear, the Wizards are now gone! There will be nothing more from them.

[mormegil]

I officially call the village back to order and we need to forward ourself with the business at hand. We still have four wolves to capture and they won't capture themselves. Quite frankly there are those from whom I would like to hear more. No more hiding at this stage. Also there are many whom I still find rather suspicious, Diamond not the least. I'm still not sure where I stand on Zali. After my analysis I thought she looked awfully wolfish but possibly too wolfish, if you take my meaning. Still she's worth looking at still. Kath and Feanor of course must be guilty. The quiet ones better perk up a bit. We saw from Alcarillo that they weren't hesitant to hide behind silence.

[Kath]

What if we simply take Gurthang's list from yesterday and add Eomer back onto it? That makes 4 and includes all Gurthang's choices, right?

[Diamond18]

HA!

HA!

HA!

Hahahahahahaha!

I knew it.

When Gurthang took Roa off his list yesterDay, I wondered if that meant he had made her his Hunter -- but that thought just did not sit right with me, I kept coming back to her being the Evil Wizard because no one else felt evil enough. :p And yes, I did get a little too snippy with her yesterDay, but Roa can be very persuasive in her arguments and so to have someone like that continually hammering how suspicious and illogical I am kind of freaks me out. I know I'm easy to scapegoat, so when someone's doing that I tend to suspect they're trying the ol' "Get Diamond lynched" trick. I feel very vindicated right now that she was NOT just another villager suspecting me, but an Evil Wizard out to get me. :p I still can't understand why Gurthang took her off the list yesterDay, but I guess I'll have to wait a while for an answer to that.

Whoo. I feel good right now. I only wish Gurthang could have given us a list before Roa challenged him.

[Diamond18]

What if we simply take Gurthang's list from yesterday and add Eomer back onto it? That makes 4 and includes all Gurthang's choices, right?

Why would you want to put Eomer on it? Didn't you notice who Caran was protecting last night? Eomer.

[Kath]

So? She didn't know he whether he was innocent or not did she? Actually did she? I'm assuming the Ranger is like normal, and doesn't know the identity of the one they protect.

Shoot, time for a rule reread I think, but it'll have to wait til tomorrow (RL). Got an exam so need some sleep!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What if we simply take Gurthang's list from yesterday and add Eomer back onto it? That makes 4 and includes all Gurthang's choices, right?
I like the plan well enough, except I'm innocent so I'd like to be replaced with somebody else, preferably somebody that's a wolf.

[Diamond18]

So? She didn't know he whether he was innocent or not did she? Actually did she? I'm assuming the Ranger is like normal, and doesn't know the identity of the one they protect.

I thought Gurthang had the ability to direct his gifteds.

[Diamond18]

I like the plan well enough, except I'm innocent so I'd like to be replaced with somebody else, preferably somebody that's a wolf.

:D ;)

Personally, I don't care if I'm at the top of the list and get butchered in bloody fashion, because the moral victory will still be mine. :p

I guess right about now we should start the "Who would Roa pick?" game. Obviously (well, not so obvious to anyone besides me) she was too concerned with getting me lynched to make me a wolf. I have to go back and look at her analysis of Lalaith to see how she was presenting Lal to the village. Etc. with all the other villagers.

The people we already know she desired are:

Loki
Nogrod (cannon fodder. ouch.)
Naria
Valier
Alcarillo
Nilp
Gurthang (actually, I can't remember if she tried to curse him or if the wolves tried to kill him, but I think it was the former.)

It's a start.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Personally, I don't care if I'm at the top of the list and get butchered in bloody fashion, because the moral victory will still be mine.
True enough, love, true enough. They'll kill me off and then regretfully think "Ah, so she was that much more intelligent [and clever and intuitive and gorgeous and, above all, modest] because she actually picked out the Evil Wizard. It wasn't that she was a bold and bluffing wolf taking shots at her master. All hail and bow down before her." Never mind what I said before. Kill me if you want... your reactions to my death will make me that much cockier. :cool:

In any case, I have a few people to look at before I make any real statements and I can't really do more than banter until I get out of work at 9:00. Expect more after that.

[littlemanpoet]

Thank you, Kuruharan, for doing as I requested.

Applause, please, from all players (no posts from dead folks though) to Kuruharan and Boromir88 for fine jobs of sub-modding. Their jobs have now ended, and I am forthwith taking over full responsibilities of a classic werewolf game, but reserve the right to copy my sub-mods as much as I like. :D

Rulings:

1. The werewolves will learn of each others' identities as soon as this Day ends, no sooner, for the Evil Wizard Roa's PM revealings will be all they get until then. The werewolves may PM each other only at Night.

2. The gifteds may know each other only as much as Gurthang the Good Black Wizard allowed while he was alive. They may not PM each other, at all.

3. The Hunter will continue to weild the double power that I instituted at the beginning of this game and ratified in the middle of it. No changes there (I despise a weak Hunter).

4. Every player must from this point onward post to the board every Day. Failure to do so results in a boring suicide or accidental death. Failure to vote is punishable by whatever the offending player's fellow players wish to inflict, whether a lynching or being ignored, or what have you. Failure to vote is NOT reckoned by this Moderator as cause for removal from the Game.

I do believe that about covers it. If my former sub-mods advise me otherwise, I will post revisions as necessary.

Thank you. That is all.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Hurray for Gurthang...though I wish he could have helped point us in the right direction today...

It looks like toDay may well be my last in this village, due to LMP's new rule about posting daily--Unless something changes, I may not be on after toDay until about 10PM EST Thursday night. It's pretty much unavoidable. RL suddenly got really crowded. I had a performance that was going to be last week, complete with strenuous rehearsals daily, but then weather decided not to comply, and we wound up moving it to this week. In effect, this means that though I thought I'd be free by last Thursday, I won't really be free again until late this coming Thursday.

Can't say you all will miss me :p

Expect a post with actual substance later. There's a lot to think about.

[Oddwen]

Well, thank you to Gurthang - thankfully we still have the Seer & Hunter.


Loki
Nogrod (cannon fodder. ouch.)
Naria
Valier
Alcarillo
Nilp
Gurthang (actually, I can't remember if she tried to curse him or if the wolves tried to kill him, but I think it was the former.)


Roa never tried to curse Gurthang, she discovered him while they were trying to scry/curse the same person.

Nope, I was wrong. The Wolves tried to kill Gurthang on Night 4.

More, perhaps later.

x'd w/ Zali & lmp

[mormegil]

It's fairly quiet currently so I figured I would put forward my general impressions of people.


Diamond-- Based on the list we have of whom Roa chose Diamond could fit into that mold. It was obvious also that Roa didn't hesitate to vote for her wolves and she fought frequently with Diamond.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant--According to my Lore Books she should be a bit more helpful and insightful. She has had her posts but generally less active than is her wont

Kath--Makes a fearsome wolf or duck but she can be a good asset if she is on our side as well. I don't have the feeling that she's guilty though.

Glirdan--Fairly irrelevant as he will most likely die due to silence so unless he comes around I don't think he's a wolf.

Sleepy Ranger--Would Roa have chosen another silent type? It's rather possible, he is on my watch list and has been for a couple of days but I'd like to hear more from him.

Kitanna--She seems innocent as of late but came through a fairly decent wave of suspicion after that she started contributing. I lean that she is an innocent who had very little time at the start of this affair and now has more time to contribute.

Oddwen--Despite her odd behavior she seems to slip under everybody's radar. It would be a bold move for Roa to chose her but an intelligent one as well as most of us have somewhat forgotten about Oddwen, though her name is spoken from time to time.

Feanor--*sigh* I don't know what to say other than she's the most difficult person to read. Usually I end up saying that we should just lynch her so she's not around to confuse us any more but if she's innocent then we loose one more villager and we are not in great shape currently.

Zali--Another I think could be guilty and would fit the Modus Operandi of Roa. She choose those middle to quiet villagers that were a bit controversial but perhaps she added a talkative one in the mix too...Diamond or Fea but Valier was loud too.

Jenny Hallu--Daughter I would certainly like to hear more from you. I would hate to condemn my daughter to the gallows but I believe that you are innocent but I think I should like to have a look at your posts if I have time.

Lalaith--Has seemed innocent to me for a long time and it hasn't changed. So unless she was converted last night I'm thinking innocent as well.

Eonwe--Really should be dead and probably will be soon along with Glirdan. The only problem is that he is probably innocent and we will loose yet another villager. I implore the quiet ones to step forward and contribute otherwise we stand very little chance of victory.

Eomer--I've always kept a slight suspicion of him. Roa may have thought that he'd make such a horrible wolf choice (Eomer said so himself) that she would do it because who better than the worst pick. Does that make sense? Essentially it's so unlikely that he'd be chosen that in fact he was. But to be honest I really haven't felt much suspicion of him since the first day or two.

What I think is that the quiet villagers really need to help out so they don't have misfortune or suicide to hamper our chances of success. We can beat these wolves but it will take the participation of everybody to do so. Ideally we get a wolf today so there is only 1 kill tonight otherwise our number will be down by 3 innocents instead of 1.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Roa chose Diamond. Think about it... Di is perfectly strong-willed enough to yell back when Roa starts getting nippy. T'would be a most wonderful bluff...

And morm... I don't try to be difficult... I just am. :(:)

[Glirdan]

Oh my gosh!! My mother was the evil one!! Holy cow!! This hurts!! I can't believe she killed her own daughters!! My poor sisters...I shall miss you dearly...

However, I am quite pleased that Gurthang took down my mother and her ability to curse us. Mother, I loved you dearly. But now, may you rot in the Void with Morgoth.

Now to find the rotten Wolves who did this to my family...

What I think is that the quiet villagers really need to help out so they don't have misfortune or suicide to hamper our chances of success. We can beat these wolves but it will take the participation of everybody to do so. Ideally we get a wolf today so there is only 1 kill tonight otherwise our number will be down by 3 innocents instead of 1.(morm)

I will be helping as much as I can toDay. However, tomorrow (as in Wednsday) I will have no way of helping out as I have to leave for the Day. If the Watchers (coughMODGODcough) allows it, I will return the Day after and help find the rest of these fiends.

[Glirdan]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Roa chose Diamond. Think about it... Di is perfectly strong-willed enough to yell back when Roa starts getting nippy. T'would be a most wonderful bluff...(Fea)

You know, this little plot wouldn't surprise me. I had no idea how kiniving my mother could be and who knows, this could have been another one of her dark little secrets. My poor father...what will he say when he finds out about mother?

Anyway, as I was saying...What was I saying? Oh! Right. Diamond's family and my family are (or, in my family's case, were) the largest families in this here village. It wouldn't surprise me if mother decided to take Diamond as one of her victims because Diamond would have enough sway over those memebers in her family which is a great population of this village. Think about it.

[Kitanna]

Wow, is all I have to say about Roa and Gurthang...

But no time to dwell on that. I have a few hours to post because I will have no time tomorrow (RL time) and I'm going to need to vote early. The problem is I'm pretty sure most people will not have a chance to speak before I have to vote, but I'd rather vote early then not at all.

Morm=
Diamond-- Based on the list we have of whom Roa chose Diamond could fit into that mold. It was obvious also that Roa didn't hesitate to vote for her wolves and she fought frequently with Diamond.

Oddwen--Despite her odd behavior she seems to slip under everybody's radar. It would be a bold move for Roa to chose her but an intelligent one as well as most of us have somewhat forgotten about Oddwen, though her name is spoken from time to time.
I've voiced a little bit of suspicion for both of them, though it was never much more than a nagging feeling. Given my lack of time today I'm going to look over their posts and see what I can come up with.

[Diamond18]

I'm in the curious position of not feeling much like defending myself against any suspicions... perhaps because most of them revolve around who Roa would pick. She didn't want me, but there's positively no way for me to prove that so I probably shouldn't waste what might possibly be my last day alive doing that. I have this plan where I'm going to scour Roa's posts for clues as to who she picked as wolves, and if/when I die and am proved innocent you can all look back at my thoughts and possibly find them useful. The only problem right now is that Roa has so many frickin' posts that I'm feeling a bit of ennui at the thought of scouring them all. But, as it gets later in the night and my grip on sanity lessens (I always do my best thinking after midnight), I shall endeavor to do my best.

[mormegil]

Diamond I believe this is a wise course of action and I endeavor to do the same but am daunted by the sheer volume of posts but to hear you say that Roa had a lot of post in a complaining fashion is a bit comical :p

[Diamond18]

What can I say. :D I find writing posts to be far easier than reading them. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like to warn everyone that my participation for the rest of toDay will be much less than yesterDay. Today's been long and I'm going to bed shortly, after which I'll be brought forcibly back to reality by the harsh tones of the alarm clock that I loathe because it has the upper hand in our relationship... I need it more than it needs me. After that, shower and classes. I'll have some time between and after classes, but it's more that it's time to catch up and make some decisions than it being time to do what I want to do which is:

I have my current hitlist, but it's a Wizard hitlist, not a wolf one. What I'd like to do is take each villager that's been on both my list of potentially evil and certainly sketchy and on Gurthang's multiple lists of those garnering mass suspicion and compare their behavior each day.

For example if X player acted a certain way on days one and two and suddenly played a bit differently on three and shows up on both lists, I'll mark that as considerably dodgy.

But I don't have the flippin' time to do it right now. Falling asleep where I sit and I'm not done with homework... G'night.

[Kitanna]

Diamond I believe this is a wise course of action and I endeavor to do the same but am daunted by the sheer volume of posts but to hear you say that Roa had a lot of post in a complaining fashion is a bit comical :p
Indeed, I was just thinking the same about you Diamond. It's a daunting task to go over Roa's and Diamond's posts tonight. But luckily I was able to look into Oddwen's.

Oddwen=
I don't believe I'll be voting today, because I haven't found a reason to see anyone suspicious enough to warrant one, and because I won't be back to vote.
I find this odd and I wonder how I managed to miss it on Day One or even Day Two. I understand the not being around to vote because of RL issues, but it seems she didn't really put in much of an effort in trying to pick someone. Maybe not to vote for, but atleast give an opinion about.
Oddwen=
++LALAITH

Because she never really loved me! And for a few things that Spawn pointed out, and a few little hunches of my own.
Oddwen's Day Two vote, I think I commented on this before as being a weird move. She says one other thing that day and sort of pops up again with a random vote and little reasoning behind it. It felt like she was making up for her non-vote the first day and just sort of grabbed someone who had one vote already and a little bit of gaining suspicion. She never really gave any reaosn beyond that that day because she had to go.
Oddwen=
Forgive me, I was late for work and didn't have time to elaborate. Lalaith was the only one I had really 'noticed', and what Spawn posted in the post directly before my first post pretty much summed it up.
A reasonable reason for not giving much at the time of her vote, yet still she doesn't really expand on it. Giving an example of what Spawn had said would have been helpful indeed.
Oddwen=
Right now I'm looking at Celuien and Firefoot.
More suspicions with no backing behind them.
Oddwen=
Alc, I think, is acting weird for Alc
Fea is acting pretty normal for Fea
I really wish Oddwen would explain herself. I know RL conflicts get in the way, but I would hope she woould have a few minutes to spare to give a quck reason as to why she suspects who she does.
Oddwen=
Fea's maundering...you like the word, you're the maundering mage, therefore Fea = You, if you're evil she is too...that's what I was thinking.
I missed out on the whole maundering thing, so this just has me flat out confused.

Alright, Oddwen would have been a good choice because there were mild suspicions of her and I think on Day Two she managed a few votes (not going to check the voting record now). But after that she just sort of fell out. She posted rarely and no one really said anything about her. That makes her a good wolf choice, however I wonder if her silence has anything to do with becoming a wolf.

Alcarillo was a wolf and after Day Two he just sort of laid low. Oddwen had the same sort of posting record. She posted once or twice on the first two days and then sort of faded in and out never really contributing much. But I wonder if Roa would pick two villagers with the same type of habits.

I really need to go lie down, but I'll be on in a few hours to cast my vote. Hopefully I'll be able to look at some of Diamond and Roa's posts.

[Diamond18]

Kit, one of those Oddwen quotes is credited to me. I never voted for Lalaith.

But I may.... Before I tackle Roa's posts, here's a few fly by opinions of people based on what I would do were I the EW. It's arranged from most desirable to least:

morm -- I'd want him. Does anyone else come across as level-headed as morm? I think not. And though he always seems to garner some suspicion, he generally takes a while to lynch, and the lorebooks show that he's almost always been innocent. Which means that we have virtually no record of Evil Morm action.

Lalaith -- Maybe it's just me, but she always exudes pleasant and innocent vibes. Granted, my lorebooks are quite sketchy on Evil Lalaiths, but that's why I would want her.

Kitanna -- Kind of the same as morm, she makes very level headed posts, is not given to bouts of snippiness or oddity. It's all about the personality. I don't actually think she's a wolf, but I didn't think Valier was a wolf either, so wot do I know. I only know who I'd want if I were Roa.

Eomer -- 'cause he's so cute. Hmm... good thing LMP didn't pick me to be a Wizard, I operate randomly. Somehow I doubt Roa would pick based on this. :p

Kath -- I've seen Evil Kath in action and she's good. Also, if I was to pick morm, it would amuse me to put him and Kath together. However she was evil quite recently according to the lorebooks, which decreases her desirablity.

Oddwen -- Slippery. When people don't know what to make of a person, in a large village they tend to be avoided.

Azaelia -- that sig makes SUCH a good defense.

Sleepy -- He's one of the quiet people like Alcarillo and Naria, and in a large bustling villlage these people can survive for a long time. Naria had an unlucky night death largely thanks to the Watchers, and Alcarillo lasted what I would consider a long time.

Glirdan -- See Sleepy. The only reason I rank him lower than Sleepy in desirablness is because I've seen people jump his ship a little too often in the lorebooks. He's been innocent each time, but still.

Eonwe -- See Glirdan and Sleepy. Ranked lower because I'm not as familiar with his playing style and wouldn't be sure quite what to expect.

JennyHallu -- she's a good middle-posting player... however the both times she was evil (that my lorebooks have on record) she died early, so I actually would have shied away from her this game. She was evil too recently and a lot of people have fresh lorebook entries on Evil Jenny.

PS - Happy 21st to Jenny. Get snoggered and post here. It will be amusing.

Fea -- See Oddwen for pros, see lorebooks for cons. She's known as Seer-bait.

Spawn -- My impression has been that Seers salivate over her. I'm actually surprised she's gone this long with being dreamt of, though that might be explained by the sparodic Seer action.

Anyway, that's my thoughts. If I was the recently ashified EW, you would do well to be lynching Morm, Lal, Kitanna and Eomer forwith.

The rub is that Roa and I think rather differently. We're both loud, but as you can see on the points where we rub up against each other, we're loud in different ways. Roa advocates logic and serious analysis, I'm quite a bit more free flowing and out-there in my idea process. I'm not shy to come up with odd theories like the importance of Loki's secret friend and the possibility of the wolves knowing each other. I'm not sure what kinds of ideas Roa comes up with, actually, come to think of it, she spent a lot of time poking holes in others' ideas. Well, I suppose I should hold off on this till I do that long awaited scouring of her posts... but for now I think the people we'd be thinking most alike on are my top picks -- Morm, Kitanna, and Lal. The sensible types. We've already killed a couple silent types (Naria, Alc) and a couple of the loud out-there types (Nog and Val). So as I see it, we could go after people that fit into those two types, or we could explore the possibilty of her going for more variety and including some more modest types. (I'm a variety person myself.) Now, morm, Lal, and Kit aren't exactly quiet people, they're not as ostentatiously loud as Nog, Val, or myself. So I count them as "more modest types."

A quick question while it's on my mind -- Morm, you seem to be fluctuating on Kath. One moment she's clearly evil and then another you don't have the feeling she's guilty. So which is it? And why?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay, so the phone kept me up over an hour longer than I'd planned for... a few quick notes based on what I've just read and how I've responded to it:

Mormegil: an ancestor of mine was a wolf with an ancestor of his at the very same time she was a wolf with Kath's ancestor. My lorebooks go in depth into how they've operated when evil. Mormegil, when he is evil, is nigh uncatchable. It's fluke that caught his ancestor and a fluke that was capitalized upon by both my ancestor and Kath's. Ergo, my lorebooks say that:

Morm is bloody dangerous as a wolf and we shouldn't be too comfortable with him, and Kath, lovely and nice a lass as she is, is perfectly able to be a vicious and conniving betrayer of all that is good (up to and including team mates) and is sneaky enough to warrant a good watching on all sides.

[/Ancestrial Note on Lupinity]

A grandmother of mine, more recent than the grandmother of the previous paragraphs, was lupine with a grandmother of Kitanna. Her ancestor, when a wolf, played no different than when innocent. She is very adept at playing the aloof one from the group, allowing her co-workers to do what they will as she concentrates on her own, private and well-executed, agenda. Fluke caught her ancestor just as it did morm's.

[/Second Ancestrial Note on Lupinity]

Eomer: the first village in which his ancestor was allowed to live past the very beginning was the village where he then proceeded to ruthlessly slaughter all innocents.

[/Ancestrial Note on Life Expectancy of Aimès]

Perhaps that says nothing. Perhaps it says something. Upon reflection, had I been Wizard, mormegil would have very easily been my first choice of a wolf. Roa and I, however, apart from both having marked Loki as a good first night choice, don't always think the same way.

Truly now, good night.

[Diamond18]

The Evil Wizardliness That Was Roa, An Overview

Day One

#174 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467582&postcount=174) ~ #200 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467621&postcount=200)

There’s not much to go on for Day 1 -- she wasn’t hardly around. Whether this was some kind of EW strategy or just the fact that even Evil Wizards get the RL blues, she only made two posts and both dealt with Loki. In her second post she quite astutely diagnosis the wolfishness of Nogrod’s actions. Of course. She already knows he’s a wolf. Roa used Noggie as her whipping boy with rather disturbing glee, which is very interesting to keep in mind. More on that Day 2.

Day Two

#258 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467868&postcount=258) ~ #274 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467902&postcount=274) ~ #277 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467907&postcount=277) ~ #287 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467927&postcount=287) ~ #296 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467936&postcount=295) ~ #297 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467939&postcount=297) ~ #324 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467979&postcount=324) ~ #336 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=467993&postcount=336)

I say whip it!
da na na na na na
Whip it good!
da na na na na na
I say whip it!
da na na na na na
Whip it good!

Well, that pretty much sums it up. She spent the entire day whipping Nogrod. Every post. End of story.

Day Three

#493 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468453&postcount=493) ~ #509 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468474&postcount=509) ~ #515 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468480&postcount=515) ~ #526 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468492&postcount=526) ~ #531 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468497&postcount=531) ~ #538 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468507&postcount=538) ~ #543 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468512&postcount=543) ~ #546 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468515&postcount=546)

Interesting day. She starts out coming up against Fea and Valier a bit, then veers off into going after the fresh meat that is Celuien. Continues poo-poohing Valier’s posts, but doesn’t seriously go for the throat, in fact says she thinks Valier is probably just a misguided innocent.

Other people she addresses:

Defends Alcarillo.
Slightly neutral leaning towards positive light for Eomer.
Ditto Zali.
Unflattering image of the innocent Firefoot.
Defends the innocent Lommy.

She makes an interesting comment about the EW possibly killing Valier to make her look bad. For some reason, I get the feeling that Valier was innocent this day and Roa turned her that night. Either way, Roa is continuing to whip her wolves, with the exception of Alcarillo, who might not even be a wolf anyway.


Secondly, I don't think I went overboard in attacking Nogrod at all. He seemed far too guilty to not be a wolf, and I wanted to make sure the village got one. And I'm guilty because I picked up what the EW could end up doing? I alerted the village to a possible plan of the EW. If I was the actual EW, I would never alert you to something everyone had missed, especially if that was my actual plan.

Ah ha ha, ah ha ha ha. Damn, she’s convincing, ain’t she?

Day Four

#557 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468675&postcount=557) ~ #563 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468682&postcount=563) ~ #569 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468688&postcount=569) ~ #574 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468694&postcount=574) ~ #583 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468706&postcount=583) ~ #583 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468709&postcount=586) ~ #590 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468716&postcount=590) ~ #596 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468724&postcount=596) ~ #601 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468730&postcount=601) ~ #606 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468735&postcount=606) ~ #609 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468739&postcount=609) ~ #619 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468749&postcount=619) ~ #623 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468755&postcount=623) ~ #627 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468759&postcount=627) ~ #628 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468760&postcount=628) ~ #636 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468771&postcount=636) ~ #662 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468842&postcount=662) ~ #667 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468853&postcount=667) ~ #672 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468870&postcount=672) ~ #678 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468884&postcount=678) ~ #680 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468886&postcount=680) ~ #686 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468899&postcount=686) ~ #691 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468906&postcount=691) ~ #693 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468913&postcount=693) ~ #697 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468919&postcount=697) ~ #706 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468952&postcount=706) ~ #709 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=468963&postcount=709)

Interesting how she called on the Seer to come forward (here little seer, I won’t hurt you, I promise!) and played dumb about Gurthang’s meaning when he hinted at being the GW. She also voices regret that she voted for Celuien and not the equally innocent Firefoot. Early in the day she keeps after Firefoot but then is deterred by Nilp’s reveal. After the infamous kafuffle with Nilp (you got in the way of my scapegoating Firefoot, damn you!) she votes Valier but mostly turns on me. Whip it! Whip it good! Oh, and there’s a little Fea-whipping on the side.

You know, even though they went back and forth a little toward the end, I don’t think Roa actually wanted to kill Valier. So why did she vote for her? Was it a case of being between a rock and a hard place? I.E. -- is it possible that she was so upset with the list because her and three of her wolves were on it? :eek:

Day Five

#718 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469136&postcount=718) ~ #724 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469143&postcount=724) ~ #724 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469143&postcount=724) ~ #726 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469149&postcount=726) ~ #727 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469150&postcount=727) ~ #739 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469180&postcount=739) ~ #762 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469264&postcount=762) ~ #783 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469326&postcount=783) ~ #803 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469366&postcount=803) ~ #807 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469390&postcount=807) ~ #808 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469391&postcount=808) ~ #813 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469401&postcount=813) ~ #816 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469408&postcount=816) ~ #817 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469412&postcount=817) ~ #819 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469415&postcount=819) ~ #822 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469418&postcount=822) ~ #828 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469426&postcount=828) ~ #829 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469427&postcount=829) ~ #823 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469432&postcount=833)

Well, out of the gate she is pressing my suspiciousness. Ask yourself if you believe she wants to kill another of her own after losing Valier and Naria in addition to the sacrifice of Nogrod and the un-cursing of Loki. Where does her living on the edge end? At any rate, it’s interesting to note how she reacted to my reactions. I had been slightly ticked by her analysis the previous day but lectured myself about taking things personally in WW, personality conflicts, etc. -- her continued obtuseness about my motivation for voting Loki irritated me further, though, especially the “Now now, voting for someone just because you don't like them is never a really good reason. In fact, it's one of the worst reasons givable.” comment. When all is said and done, Roa, you must tell me true whether or not you were purposefully pushing my buttons to get me to snap or just have a talent for it. :p Of course, sitting on my hands about points of conflict usually ends up in me snapping sooner or later, so it could just be coincidence. But I’m curious. The main reason for my “snide” comment at the end of the Fea-analysis was because I went to a lot of work on it, but didn’t come up with much to show for it, and so I just knew you would find it as another reason to up the village suspicion of me -- it fell under the light of me saying a lot but not coming to a definite conclusion. It was a rather depressing thought, besides being around 4 in the morning. By the way, I’m a Libra, and one of the hallmarks of a Libra (not that I really put much stock in the zodiac, but in my personal case it’s rather accurate) is the annoying habit of always having to balance all different sides of a situation... and so therefore rarely coming up with a definite yes/no this/that end to speculation.

But enough narcissism. Roa also addresses Zali, Eomer, Fea, Kitanna, and Lalaith. All of these she is somewhat neutral to positive about. Defends Alcarillowolf, calling the case against him “weak.” She votes Fea, probably only because I’m not on the sanctioned list.

Day Six

#843 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469653&postcount=843) ~ #845 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469656&postcount=845) ~ #847 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=469658&postcount=847)

Well, not much to say here. Just a lot of nonsense. :p Heh heh. Seriously, lovely evil challenge there. Bet Gurthang wishes he hadn’t let her get to it first.

In Summary

Well, if you judge Roa’s action by the way she whipped Nogord, then you should probably lynch me first and Fea second. Seriously. Lynch us! Lynch us good!

But here’s why I think you shouldn’t.

Roa did vote for Valier, but didn’t do much else to actively seal her demise. She defended Alcarillo. She ignored Naria. She also defended Loki, though he was no longer a wolf.

She went after Firefoot. And Celuien. Both innocent.

Unfortunately, the number of people she is neutral to positive to ignoring far outnumber the ones she targeted. This may make the lynching of Fea and Diamond look more attractive, but I’d call it lazy. Aye.*

For my part, I may vote Lalaith toDay.** But for now, to bed I go. I will go more in depth about my suspecting Lalaith tomorrow if I wake up in time. [free advertising] Oh, and I highly recommend Advíl and DCfC*** when doing analysis. It makes an otherwise dreary task downright pleasant. But then, Advíl and DCfC always makes everything better. [/free advertising]

* And, no we’re not wolfish teammates. Even if we were, we wouldn’t know it yet, would we?

** And then, if I live long enough, morm, Kitanna, Eomer, and so on. Right on down ze line.

*** DCfC is an, er, “group of bards,” not a drug. Just so you know.

[Lalaith]

Now, yesterDay my top suspects for EW were Fea, Diamond and Roa. Here are the reasons I suspected Roa.

I'm still worried about you, Roa. Your track record is the best of any of us, you've either attacked, or been attacked by, wolves in the most ostentatious fashion, so that no-one could possibly suspect you.... you see what I mean?
The reason I don't particularly suspect you as EW is that the wolf choices we know about so far aren't ones I'd expect you to make. I don't think you've played very much if at all with any of them.
They are rather Roa-ish choices which is one of the reasons I'm worried about her.


I do agree that there are various people here who probably would pick me for wolvery, and the fact that I am actually not a wolf told me a bit about the EW. I guessed, for example, fairly early on that it wasn't Cailin because I think she would have cursed me. Ditto, probably, Spawn. Our ancestors have encountered each other frequently and know each other well.
Roa's ancestors and mine have only met once, and fairly briefly. I'm not sure why she spent so much time analysing me yesterday, probably just wanted to look helpful.
I think our four wolves are two night Fours, the night Five and the night Six (last night.) I'm pretty sure that Roa would have made Jenny a wolf at some point so I think we could do worse than vote for her today.

I also think Roa feared her time was up, so I'm guessing last night's wolf will be Sauron to her Morgoth, a strong personality to carry on as leader. Given the fact that she made her old adversary Nogrod a wolf, would it not be rather fitting that she might entrust this task to Diamond?

I agree about the idea of Morm as wolf being a terrifying thought, I need to look into the lorebooks to see if Roa's family history would have given her an insight into his lupine capabilities.
More later, I'm a bit rushed now.

[littlemanpoet]

..... and urgency :p :

There will continue to be multiple kills per Night until there are less than 4 werewolves.

Carry on.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, Roa being the EW wasn't that surprising. A funny detail, phantom voted for her on Day 1 saying that she's a Wizard... perhaps something that contributed to his early death.

As has been pointed out, Roa wanted to have Loki, Nogrod, Naria, Valier, Alc and Nilp for Wolves. I'm not sure whom of these were the original Wolves, but at least Nilp wasn't cursed until later, and my guess is that Valier was cursed on Night 3 because the sudden change in her behaviour. Therefore I looked into their posts from the previous Day to find out what made Roa pick them.

Valier said that her biggest suspects were Celuien, Caran, Kitanna, Naria and Alcarillo. Two proven innocents there, two villagers who at some point became Wolves and one unknown. That Day (Day 2) there were 2 Wolves + Nogrod.

Valier didn't think that Nogrod was a baddie and thought that even though Oddwen's vote was weird, it wasn't weird enough to lynch her. She thought that there were definitely two wolves voting for Nogrod on Day 2. She points out especially Eomer and Kitanna the others being Diamond, Lommy, Roa, morm, Kath and Caran.


On Day 3 Nilp analysed how the EW will make her picks saying that due to the lists about possible Cursees the EW will pick someone totally opposite, and later she has the chance to pull a bluff and choose from the list.

Nilp questioned Zali and voted for her. He said that there probably were one or more baddies in the Loki bandwagon. That would be Diamond, Caran, Fea, Nogrod, Lalaith, Valier, Kitanna or Zali. There indeed was at least two Wolves, but whether they were Wolves already on Day 1, I don't know.


I think there are two options why Valier and Nilp were cursed. Either Roa thought that they would make great Wolves or then they got something right and Roa couldn't afford to keep them on the Good side. Perhaps it was both.

All of the Wolves thus far have been those who are easily suspected for a reason or another or who were bound to cause some controversy (Loki, for example, being a newcomer). All the Wolves have been also the type that don't desire to take the lead of village matters (compare to morm's statement toDay: "I officially call the village back to order and we need to forward ourself with the business at hand." ;) ).

Now there are three Wolves from yesterDay, plus one newly cursed. Anyone who has seemed innocent thus far might be a Wolf toDay. I wonder if the rest of the Wolves are those who fall into the same category as I mentioned above, or did Roa take someone completely different - morm, Fea or Eomer, perhaps (even though it says in the narration that Caran guarded Eomer, I'm not sure if it means that he's a proven innocent).

Our silent villagers are a bit of a problem, too. Right now I'm suspicious of Jenny and Glirdan and Diamond because I think they would fit with Roa's earlier picks. I'll take a look if I find any actual evidence for suspecting those three later when I have more time.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

This is difficult. I'm not going to be on again until after the deadline, if then. (Aaah, RL!) So I'm going to provide a brief analysis of the village, in the hopes that I may be somewhat helpful before my fairly likely demise as an accident or suicide toMorrow. (According to the new rules)

I agree with Lalaith, who said that Roa would pick a strong wolf because she was afraid her time was drawing to an end.

The short list of people who would be truly scary as wolves: Morm, Eomer, and Jenny. I'm going to cross Eomer off the list for now, as he was mentioned as the one protected last Night. I don't know if stuff like that mentioned in the narration has any weight, but I certainly wouldn't want him to be lynched, as I consider him the closest thing to a known innocent that we've got at this point.

Morm would be scary as a wolf because he's been so helpful all along, so he's someone the village has built some measure of trust in. He's smart, he's a leader, and he's definitely capable of persuasive posting.

Jenny would be scary as a wolf based upon her ancestors' behavior as documented in the Book of Lore. She's been unusually quiet for quite a while, which, in her case, may be a sign that she's not a wolf. On the other hand, she's always louder and more helpful than she's been this time around, even when it's only feigned helpfulness.

I'm also worried about Glirdan because he comes and goes so frequently. He doesn't seem to have the time to review the thread, and that worries me, too. His votes seem rushed and poorly-explained.

Oddwen seems to be doing a stellar job of slipping under the radar after her near-lynching earlier. I don't think she should be ignored--she has done some odd things.

Diamond To me, she still seems innocent and helpful.

Spawn hasn't been posting as frequently as her custom, but she's been helpful. For now, she's not giving off any bad vibes.

Sleepy is quieter than I am. And that's an accomplishment. I feel like I don't have any kind of feeling about him at all...And most people, by now, I have at least some sense of.

Fea is, as usual, really hard to figure out. She seems to be doing her best to help the village, and isn't giving off an overly evil vibe, but who knows...

Kath--Just due to her questioning me yesterDay, I'm inclined to think her innocent. I'm sure she's capable of being devious, but that's not the feeling I'm getting from her. She seemed to be genuinely looking for the truth. So in my book, she's innocent.

Kitanna is sneaky enough to be a wolf, but not, I believe, as active as her custom. I'm ok to let her slide--she seems generally innocent, but that's just a gut instinct, and mine are so often wrong.

Eonwe is another who I haven't been able to get a handle on. He's quiet (which is nothing against him--I am, too). So he's coming up as pretty much nothing on the radar.

I've given you all something to consider, hopefully.

I'm going to vote

++Morm

For the simple reason that he would be sneaky, smart, seemingly helpful, and incredibly dangerous as a wolf. He's a great player, and take that as a compliment, if you like. He may or may not be guilty, but I have very little to go on.

The inevitable response to this may be: Well, then! You shouldn't have voted at all!

But I honestly think that I could do worse harm to the village by not voting, than by voting.

[JennyHallu]

Agh...my head hurts...

And Pina coladas are overrated.

Anyway: Down to the business at hand. I've been drawing some questions this morning, and my response to that is "ABOUT TIME!!" This is the first time I've ever been innocent and not immediately assumed guilty. Good sign, I must be learning.

I am NOT a wolf. Thank goodness! I don't want to be a wolf! My ancestors show so much wolvery in their midst you'd almost think lycanthropy genetic, and I hang gladly onto my innocence this game. I have been rather unusually quiet this game, but it's been RL issues and it was my 21st...

Oh, and Diamond, if you want to see me post snoggered wait until Friday. :D A lot more likely to get snoggered when I don't have to go to work in the morning.

Off to read the thread and draw my own conclusions.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I see I missed Lalaith's post earlier. We seem to be thinking along the same lines.

On second thought, I'm not sure if Glirdan would have been such a good pick for Roa after all. He has some problems to attend to the discussions and I doubt the EW would want to lose a Wolf because of being absent. Glirdan's posts toDay have consisted mostly of lamenting and wondering ("My mother was the evil one!! Holy cow!!"). He promises to help in the Wolf hunting as much as he can, but he'll be gone the next Day (so he's a goner...). Glirdan agrees with Fea who said that Roa might very well have picked Di as one of her Wolves.

If Glirdan is going to be dead after tomorrow anyway, we don't probably have to worry about him now although his posts might be considered somewhat wolvish because he says so little about his own thoughts. He really has flown at least under my radar, but a Wolf or not, I'd like to hear more from him. Same goes for Eonwe and Sleepy.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

O Caranlondien! I spoke against you and you did not retaliate; I considered you lupine and still you protected my life. Though you hear me not, I apologise deeply and sincerely. :(

Why did she protect me? Taking into account what Gurthang and the Seer have been doing recently, it was simply a matter of Caran considering me innocent and a likely wolf snack. Their activities are accounted for (right?) so I'm afraid, Azaelia, that I am certainly not a known innocent.

[Or should I have tried to ride that one a bit longer? :p ]

Nah, too honest. Anyway:

What of the kills? I'm surprised the wolves killed Caran. She strikes me as a far better wolf-pick from Roa than, say, Glirdan, Eonwe or Sleepy (they're too quiet), and so the wolves could probably go after Caran during the day. Of course, with the obvious thoughts of double-bluffing, maybe the Caran kill made most sense.

The Lommy kill surprises me more because she's usually a good suspicion-magnet.

It's a case of measuring the bluff/double-bluff o'meter. What would Roa do...

Oh, and....um....sorry Fea. Having said that, we've all got things right, you know. I reckon we should lynch Fea for excessive egoism. :p

[mormegil]

Fairly unusual shift in suspects today. Zali seems to have voted for me based on something over which I have no control. :( "Morm you're smart, helpful, and a good leader therefore we don't need you now and you must die" That's the way I'm taking it. I would think these are qualities that you want to have around currently as we are so desparate to get a wolf.

I think that Zali is back on her band wagon tatics, though this time she is initiating the band wagon. Let me explain. She read the earlier posts where Diamond, Lal and others think I would be a scary wolf, it's been so long that I can't tell you if that would be true though, and she thinks to herself 'oh there's somebody to go for' and begins the voting this time thinking that more people will vote for me. It's just a hybrid of her earlier suspicious behavior. Little has changed in her and I'm thinking that she's a misguided innocent who could be causing our doom or a fiendish wolf trying to attack me.

Diamond to answer about my position on Kath, if you wish I have well over 10 lore books with people very similar to us crossing paths multiple times and they always seem to end up suspecting each other. So I've resigned myself to always think her evil though seldom do much about it only when I have a really strong feeling that she is. Kath would agree with me on this point.

[Kitanna]

Kit, one of those Oddwen quotes is credited to me. I never voted for Lalaith.
Sorry about that. Didn't mean too.

I've had a chance to skim Diamond and Roa's posts. And I've come up with one theory.

Roa treated the four proven wolves differently.
Nogrod~ She attacked him a lot on Day Two and was successful in getting him lynched. A possible reason was she wanted to show she was innocent because not many EW would attack their wolves in such a way (at least that's what I thought at the time). Another reason was because she knew she could just make another one the next night.
Naria~ I don't think she really mentioned Naria. A post here or there maybe, but for the most part she left Naria alone.
Valier and Alcarillo~ As far as I can tell Roa was moderately involved with those two. She would leave them be at times and then she would attack or mention them at times.
Assuming Diamond is a wolf I'd say Roa took a stance with Diamond like she did with Nogrod. The two fought often, but as far as I know Roa never actually voted for Diamond. Perhaps she was trying to keep her wolf on her suspect list just incase Diamond died before her. She also mentioned Diamond as a possible EW.
The problem I see with my own theory is that Roa would have to be prepared if she died before Diamond, so why would she continually draw attention to her wolf without ever actually getting her lynched? After all drawing such attention to Diamond as a wolf without getting her lynched before herself is careless, I think. Roa is dead and she has left us with a good deal of posts to go through and a few fights with Diamond to sort out.
I think Diamond may be innocent. I can't see Roa being so vocal with a wolf as she was with Diamond because that would just leave her wolf out in the village as a suspicious person and an almost certain lynch subject. Diamond does fit the bill to be one of Roa's wolves, but I'm not so sure she is. When I have the time I will read through all of Diamond's posts, but for now I say she's most likely an innocent.

That said:
++ Oddwen

I said earlier Oddwen seems to have adopted Alcarillo's laying low after the first few days. Her lack of reasoning behind most of her posts puts me on edge and I don't want to see her fall of everyone's suspect list again. Her quiet nature and this completely flying under the radar would make her a good choice for Roa. That's my vote and I'm sticking by it.

[Lalaith]

I noticed one thing in Roa's posts yesterday, she said she thought that all original wolves were dead. Which makes me suspect all the more that Alcarillo was an original wolf.
This means that Zali and Oddwen, despite appearances to the contrary, are probably innocent. If my theory is correct, the early wolves are accounted for.
Zali and Oddwen were too suspicious to be Four or Five wolves, and too low-key to be the all-important Six wolf.
Spawn, my dear, with your brains and experience, you also fit the bill of a Six wolf.

[Oddwen]

Quote:
Oddwen=
Right now I'm looking at Celuien and Firefoot.
More suspicions with no backing behind them.
I didn't say I suspected them, I said I was looking at them. And now looking back I don't even remember if it was supposed to be Celuien or Cailin. :confused:

Hmm. Three Wolves voted for me on Day 2.

Ugh. More later, I hope.

[JennyHallu]

Diamond of the Battledore: Diamond's been loud and head-of-the-village since day 1, and I'm really not sure what I think of her. Roa is definitely capable of picking someone so obvious she can slip over the radar, so to speak...Maybe.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant: I think she's clever and intelligent, and a powerful asset to whatever side she's on. That said, Roa would love to have her as a wolf. Spawn, however, does play differently when wolvish or innocent, so I'll be keeping my eyes open for changes in her style.

Kath the minstrel: Quietish and doesn't seem to contribute much original information. Definitely a maybe. I think she's probably innocent, but it worries me that she has been so under the radar.

Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath: Would Roa choose him as a wolf? Sure...I don't have anything in my lorebooks on Glirdan's wolvish ancestors, but Roa is familiar and comfortable with him. Would she pick him as a wolf, knowing he wasn't around? That is a much bigger question. Not worried about him for now.

Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer: Sleepy frustrates me. He posts so little and usually it's an "I'm sorry I haven't been here, in-character rambling, vote". He has contributed almost nothing to the village, and I have seen nothing of his usual grandiose plotting. This worries me. He's definitely on my suspect list.

Kitanna the beloved of Eomer: I think she's a wolf, for the same reasons I did yesterDay. I am sorry I did not have more time to elaborate when I voted, but look at my thoughts on the Gurthang-list members to see my reasoning. Gurthang also commented on the abrupt change in her playing style.

Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens: No idea. She's insane, there's no telling whether she's a wolf. My lorebooks say she always plays like this, with few posts and little reasoning.

mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor: I agree with Zali that my dear father would make a formidable enemy, but that is no reason to vote for him. Our mayor has seemed from day 1 to have only our best interests at heart. I think him innocent right now.

Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration: Honestly, I think she's innocent. She's been amazingly clear for all the drugs she claims to be on, but just the effort she's been putting into substantive clear analyses screams innocent to me. I thought a couple days ago she might be the EW, but I've changed my mind, especially after her complex hunt-the-wizard analyses yesterday.

Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom: I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she spends yesterday working to convince us she's just been playing carelessly, and jumps right back into carelessness today. Definitely a worry.

Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt: I know I'm innocent, but I would appreciate an analysis of me done by someone else. A) because I have drawn some suspicion, if only of the gut-feeling variety, and B) because I think the wolves are likely to come from players Roa was familiar with, and most of the ones she has picked are WWJ graduates, and I definitely fall in that category. Honestly, I think most of the reason I was not picked is that Roa and I tend to bicker.

Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen: I don't know what I think of Lalaith. She seems careful. She posts a lot, but I don't think I've yet seen a very long post from her (could be wrong). Definitely a "keep-my-eye-on".

Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen: Probably innocent. He frustrates me for the same reason Sleepy does, but to a lesser extent, because this is normal for him. :rolleyes:

Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna: I think he's innocent. I thought the case brought against him two days ago to be mostly bogus, and Eomer is too valuable to get rid of at this juncture.


There. Now I'd better work a bit, since that is what they pay me for.

[JennyHallu]

Oddwen...you said you were looking at them, yes, but you never came back to say what you'd decided. And there may have been several wolves voting for you, but if they don't know eachother (and I doubt they will until tonight) that means nothing except you were generally suspicious enough it would be more suspicious not to vote for you.

And you have no way of knowing if they were wolves when they voted for you.

I am interested in hearing a real defense from you.

[Lalaith]

The quiet ones bug me too, but voting for one of them toDay feels too much like shooting in the dark. Besides, if they don't post toDay they're out anyway, and their roles revealed. So we can worry about the ones that remain, tomorrow Day. (Oh reading through Roa's posts - she was well aware of the fact that villagers were allowed to not vote/disappear until the death of the wizards, but had to be around after that. I wonder how much that influenced her choices)
Morm, I may be scared of you, but I'm not going to vote for you toDay. You're too useful if you're innocent - let's see what toMorrow will bring.

I wonder if Roa did tell the wolves about each other, last night...

[littlemanpoet]

Upon further reflection, I have changed my mind in one regard:

Players will not be removed from the game for failure to post in a Day or failure to vote.

I've decided that this could arbitrarily and artificially foul up the precarious balance of this game.

If the players wish to remove a fellow player they feel is undeserving, lynching may be done ... if you want to use up a good lynch that way.

Or if werewolves wish to remove a player they feel is undeserving, killing may be done .... if you want to use up a good killing in that way.

That is all.

Carry on.

[Kath]

Yup. To answer whoever it was that asked about it, I do agree with morm (for once :rolleyes: ). Our ancestors have crossed each other on numerous occasions, more often than not on the same side, yet still we find ourselves inexplicably against each other in every game. However, we try these days not to let history mar our judgement of each other. When morm says 'of course Kath must be evil' it's a joke. When he starts to muse and think up plans to get me lynched, then it's real.

Now, onto other business. Who is left?
Diamond
spawn
Kath
Glirdan
Sleepy
Kitanna
Oddwen
morm
Fea
Zali
Jenny
Lalaith
Eonwe
Eomer

Now, Glirdan and Zali have both admitted that they will not be able to get on here tomorrow and so will commit suicide at the end of the next Day. They may still be wolves with unavoidable circumstances but there is little point in trying to lynch them since they will die anyway. I'm not sure on Sleepy though, is he in that same boat?

As of this particular moment Diamond, Fea, spawn and morm seem innocent to me. Diamond I think is just too much like Roa in some ways, and while this might be beneficial to the EW (having someone who thinks like her carry on after her death) I don't think she would have kicked up such a fuss and made sure everyone was looking at Diamond if this were the case. Yes it could be the perfect bluff but I'm not so inclined to believe that.

Fea has either coasted by on pure luck (not having been dreamt of, not getting lynched) or she is innocent, and while the luck does seem to have been on the evil side so far this game, I'm not sure it extends that far.

morm, well, you all know the history now, so my thinking him innocent probably means he's the biggest, baddest wolf in town. :rolleyes: Still, I just can't see anything wolvish. His desire to take control is definitely an innocent trait (for him).

spawn seems as analytical and decisive as ever. Basically I think she acting normally and therefore is innocent.

Now there was a comment by Lalaith that caught my eye:
I noticed one thing in Roa's posts yesterday, she said she thought that all original wolves were dead. Which makes me suspect all the more that Alcarillo was an original wolf. . . If my theory is correct, the early wolves are accounted for.
I disagree. If Roa said that the opposite is more than likely to be true. Which puts Lalaith on my suspicion list.

Which leaves me with:
Sleepy - no idea on him. He's barely been around and hasn't posted with a huge amount of substance when he has been.

Kitanna - I would lean toward her being more guilty than innocent. She's relatively quiet but helpful, and she tends to float along under the radar. A good choice for a wolf I think, especially since we haven't seen this type of middling candidate from Roa's choices yet.

Oddwen - not a great deal of help. In fact pretty much none. I think she could well be a wolf trying out the 'quiet' tactic.

Jenny - I don't have much information on her in my lorebooks, and with her sporadic attendance the last few Days I'm really not sure what to make of her.

Eonwe - see Jenny and Sleepy.

Eomer - I don't trust the guy, but that's almost as much of a given as me not trusting morm. Aside from that gut feeling which I can't seem to shake I have no evidence that he even could be guilty.

That's all folks!

[Kath]

lmp!?! :mad: I don't care if you are the ModGod that's still damned annoying!

[Lalaith]

Now there was a comment by Lalaith that caught my eye:
Quote:
I noticed one thing in Roa's posts yesterday, she said she thought that all original wolves were dead. Which makes me suspect all the more that Alcarillo was an original wolf. . . If my theory is correct, the early wolves are accounted for.

I disagree. If Roa said that the opposite is more than likely to be true. Which puts Lalaith on my suspicion list.



That's what I meant, Kath
Ok, let me put this another way.
Roa says all original wolves have been killed. At this point Alcarillo was still alive. Ergo, as Roa was almost certainly lying, Alcarillo, still alive, was an original wolf, as I have maintained all along.

[Kath]

Ah! I understand! Thanks Lalaith, must have misread that somehow.

[Lalaith]

However, I do agree with you Kath on LMP's latest ruling...it is annoying having to waste our valuable lynches on non-participants, particularly as double lynches aren't allowed.

[mormegil]

I disagree and think that LMP's ruling is quite helpful to us. Think about the math there are 14 of us left (I believe that is the correct number) so we are up against 4 wolves to our 10 innocents. If we lynch an innocent today the wolves still get to kill 2 tonight leaving us desperately at 7 to 4 the next day and if we don't get a wolf on that day we are done. So I think it's a wise thing to do and help keep balance in the game. Essentially if an innocent silent, certainly at least one of the quiet types are innocent, were to be artificially removed then we would be even at greater odds to overcome this threat.

Perhaps you should recant and beg pardon of LMP. :D

[Kath]

morm it wasn't what he did that was annoying, it was simply that he did it. There was me all ready to ignore those not around after tomorrow and boom! Rule change. :rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

Perhaps you should recant and beg pardon of LMP
Mod's pet! ;)

Well, all right then, I'm sure the Great Seal knows what he's doing.

I've got to go now and can't be sure of being back before deadline. As I haven't come up with any better ideas, I'm going to follow my Jenny hunch.

++JENNYHALLU

[Boromir88]

This is the gaming thread and I suggest we take this discussion out and continue what should be done here...which is finding someone to lynch. If you have a problem you can always PM or post on the discussion thread.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And so he came unexpected from places unseen and spoke nobly with that authority to him granted by the Seal...

Quite frankly, I prefer the idea that we aren't going to have some of our numbers killed off with or without our approval.

I look with unease upon any that are dubious of the Seal's decision as unplanned-for deaths help only the wolves.

[Lalaith]

Quickly dashed back as I just had a thought, which I'd better share now in case I'm lynched later or eaten toNight.
I've been wondering why on earth Roa spent all that time on my posts yesterday. Probably as I said before to look helpful.
But maybe it's because I said something at some point that she didn't want anyone to remember. Di had wanted my posts analysed and Roa didn't want an innocent to do it, so she did it herself and left something important out. I haven't got time now to go over it myself, I will tomorrow if I'm still here.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Does no-one else think that this could be a huge hint? i.e. Azaelia and/or Glirdan is furry and fanged?

Don't mean to bring the game into disrepute or anything but I'm trying to work with whatever comes my way.

Back soon with a comment on Diamond and Roa.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Does no-one else think that this could be a huge hint? i.e. Azaelia and/or Glirdan is furry and fanged?
If by "this" you mean LMP's decision to let the villagers do things themselves, then no... I don't think it at all. I have too much faith in the Seal's virtue to believe that he'd intentionally hint us anything and too much in his care to believe that he'd let anything slip.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The quarrel between Roa and Diamond yesterday did not strike me as being genuine. Actually, now knowing Roa's evil secret, it now looks pathetically ad hoc. Accusations of name-calling and arrogance, there was no need for it at the time. Agree to disagree, please. I'm naturally suspicious of anyone who feels the need to defend oneself in such an abrasive manner. My family (what's left of it — O Eru! I just realised I'm the only one! :eek: ) are well aware of the consequences wrought from the pressure of a dark secret.

So, Diamond, right now I'm thinking that you and Roa constructed that little scenario in order to open a chasm of neutrality, where every villager must choose one or the other and one of you would benefit from the death of t'other.

And the main reason I say this is because it was you who came across as more desperate yesterday, not Roa. Had you nothing to hide you would have taken Roa's alleged taunts less seriously, I am sure. But you really wanted to send a message to the village, this split with Roa had to be underlined. Come to think of it, you also got quite heated with Loki.

Not that I want to push your buttons. :p ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

But Fea, delicate balances? Why not just let them perish?

I speak not of virtue, but of realisation.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Whatever. I doubt he'd do anything that would intentionally warp proceedings.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Me too.

[Kath]

Eomer I would think if we were treating it as a hint that it would mean the opposite, that the two are innocent. Whoever did the stats earlier showed that we are pretty much screwed. There isn't much of a balance right now, the bad guys are winning, even without the EW.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

No, no, no. I'm not saying that this was a hint by intention. I'm saying that it could be read in ways that will give us hints in catching wolves. And Kath, I don't want to see this negative attitude from you! Why on earth shouldn't the village win? Statistics, schmatistics, I say. We have plenty of chances to get this right.

[Kath]

Please explain Eomer, apparently my brain is not with it. And a defeatist attitude worked great for my most recent ancestor! :D

[Diamond18]

Not that I want to push your buttons. :p ;)

Nah, because it's so fun to watch you be so terribly wrong. :D

[Sleepy Ranger]

++JennyHallu

Rather obvious that she is someone Roa would pick.

[mormegil]

Rather obvious that she is someone Roa would pick.

May I ask why she would be a good pick?

[JennyHallu]

Exactly, thanks Morm!

That's two votes for me with minimal reasons: One an admitted "hunch" and one because "Roa would pick me". Can I see one analysis, please, before I become a lynching candidate? Especially with so few innocent villagers left guys! We need to be careful!

And I expect more thought from Lalaith especially.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Apparently Sleepy wants to look as suspicious as possible. :rolleyes:

Kath, perhaps I shouldn't explain what I have got from the change in game mechanics. I'm not sure it's quite fair to speculate on such issues so I'll just shut up and keep playing the game. :)

I think I shall be voting for Sleepy or Diamond. I shall ponder this deeply (as opposed to, you know, studying for my exam tomorrow. :D )

[Diamond18]

Right now I almost feel like voting for Sleepy just because of his continued non-participation and bandwaggony vote there for Jenny. I'm not convinced, personally, that Roa would turn Jenny so soon after Jenny's recent evilness, and the fact that they're familiar with each other doesn't mean diddly squat to me since she's familiar with me, too. And Jenny's posts toDay feel somewhat innocent to me. I've been fooled before, but I can't just ignore my instincts or that will cause even more confusion and hysteria in my posts. So let's please not jump all over Jenny, toDay. I realize that if Jenny turns out to be a wolf and dies before me, this will be a bad stance, but I bloody well don't care anymore. There is no more chance for me to be turned into a wolf and get lynched for stuff I said while innocent, so, do your worst to me. :)

However, even Sleepy's current uber-Sleepiness won't divert me from my more long term suspicion.

Reasons why I think Lalaith is a good vote.

Roa's analysis of her the other day expressed some suspicions but was overall somewhat neutral, and her final opinion was this:


After all this, there are some things that tweak me about Lal, but not enough for me to consider her guilty. My only concern is that she may be the wolf from last night, since she's intelligent and vocal but hasn't drawn much suspicion as of yet.

I get the feeling this is all to appease my outspoken worries to the effect that Lalaith was being overlooked -- here the EW looks at her wolf, presents a few fairly reasonable suspicions, but soothes the overall view. The comment about her possibly being turned most recently doesn't really encourage anyone to start voting for her. I just got the feeling that we were supposed to look at Lalaith, feel satisfied, then look away for the time being. This just doesn't sit well with me, especially since I do find some of Lal's actions suspicious, especially after reading the overview.

Morm still scares me, just because I can well see him coasting to the end on the argument that you can't lynch him just because you fear what he could be if he were evil. However, I honestly can't find anything wolfish in his actual posts. So I can't vote. Eomer is pointing fingers at Glirdan and Zali for reasons pertaining to the Mod's actions, which is always looked at askance, but frankly I can see his point (if you were the mod and faced with knocking off your wolves, would you?) so I'm prepared to not think it suspicious of him, per se. His view on the Roa/Diamond issue is charmingly inaccurate -- I find the idea that I never overreact when innocent to be the stuff of belly laughs. I find Kath's behavior to be a bit sketchy right now, being angry with the Mod God for sparing lives and claiming her brain hurts -- I've seen that before from her duckish ancestor. But since I've got my eye on Lal for toDay I'll worry about Kath later. The other villagers right now are too quiet or hard to pin down to really comment on.

+ + LALAITH

I'm going to catch a wolf or die trying.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm going to catch a wolf or die trying.
But at least you'll go out with the moral highground and whatnot, no? ;)

[Kath]

Ah it wasn't the brain last time Di but the lungs! And to repeat, I wasn't angry because of what the rule was changed to, but because the rule was changed after a post I made which had a fair sized portion on why we were fine to ignore those who would die anyway. I was cross because it meant I had to rethink it.

Ok, Eomer.

Sleepy's vote for Jenny looked barely thought-out. I'd like to see some more reasoning from him though before we do anything drastic about it. If he can come up with something.

Diamond your points on Lalaith are good. I can see how Roa might try to deflect suspicion by analysing her herself. It would also give us a 'middling' wolf. Someone who posts enough and with substance, and has been neither ignored nor persecuted by Roa.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You answer me well, Diamond; and you understand my point about Azaelia and Glirdan.

Sleepy came crashing into my suspicions with his odd behaviour yesterday. Recall how he accused me of making an evil Freudian slip and then said that it excuses me. Not only was there blatantly no slip from me, but to excuse what he suggested as an evil confession is unacceptable villager behaviour. His vote just there is not explained well and strikes of bandwaggoning (as Diamond points out).

++SLEEPY

[Diamond18]

Ah it wasn't the brain last time Di but the lungs!

The... lungs? *scratches head*

Anyway, I was referring to this:

Please explain Eomer, apparently my brain is not with it.

However, I can understand the frustration with cross posting with the mod and having your post content "outdated" in effect. So on further thought, I suppose the fact that you weren't cautious enough to remain quiet about it speak more in favor than not.

[Eonwe]

Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen: Probably innocent. He frustrates me for the same reason Sleepy does, but to a lesser extent, because this is normal for him.

Well, I understand your frustrations, as I share them at least to some extent. But I assure you, quietness in not my style. It is work that interferes here, not my stratagies.

Anyway, I'll do my best to get on as much as possible and with as much savy analysis as possible, but I can't promise anything.

So I guess from here on out, we return to the regular werewolf game. Except with four wolves.

Here's the thing though. Basically, everybody up till last Night can be considered cobblers, of sorts. So just take any evidence (and trust) that you might have picked up along the way with a grain of salt.

Does no-one else think that this could be a huge hint? i.e. Azaelia and/or Glirdan is furry and fanged?

Don't mean to bring the game into disrepute or anything but I'm trying to work with whatever comes my way.

Yes, it struck me that way, certainly. Though, yes, it does feel a bit underhanded.
:rolleyes:

Anyway, that's all for now. I'll hopefully be back on before the end of toDay.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Morm's reaction in his post #889 for Zali's vote for him made me a bit uneasy. I have to go in a minute, so I can't explain that now and therefore I won't vote for him toDay.

As to Lalaith, I find myself agreeing with her on many things. I found her quite suspicious a while ago, but since then the suspicions calmed down, and she speaks much sense. One thing that makes me wonder if she's innocent after all is indeed Roa's analysis, but it might go either way.

Players will not be removed from the game for failure to post in a Day or failure to vote. That certainly changes things a bit. I wouldn't think that it's a clue, though. There may be silent players on both Good and Bad side. Still, due to the new rule, I shall vote for

++Glirdan

because I find silent players who post mostly in character and don't share their own thoughts suspicious.

Good Night!

[mormegil]

Voting update

Zali for Morm (Morm 1)
Kitanna for Oddwen (Morm 1, Oddwen 1)
Lalaith for Jenny (Morm 1, Oddwen 1, Jenny 1)
Sleepy for Jenny (Morm 1, Oddwen 1, Jenny 2)
Diamond for Lalaith (Morm 1, Oddwen 1, Jenny 2, Lalaith 1)
Eomer for Sleepy (Morm 1, Oddwen 1, Jenny 2, Lalaith 1, Sleepy 1)
Spawn for Glirdan (Morm 1, Oddwen 1, Jenny 2, Lalaith 1, Sleepy 1, Glirdan 1)

*sigh* this is one of those odd days where I really don't know for whom to vote. I have some mild suspicions but nothing concrete. Out of those who have votes Glirdan and Sleepy look guilty and Oddwen to an extent. I'm still not convinced of Diamond's innocence nor of her guilt.

[Kath]

Anyway, I was referring to this:

Quote:
Please explain Eomer, apparently my brain is not with it.
I hadn't had tea at that point, after a day of hard revision ( ;) ) I need sustenance!

Oh dear, voting time is fast approaching, and I really don't know what I should do. I don't like this Jenny bandwagon, especially since the votes that began it weren't really explained, or explained at all in Sleepy's case.

I can see the point in trying to get rid of those who will be silent over the next few Days, but it's a galling thought that we should waste what little time we have lynching those liable to be innocent but unable to defend themselves.

I think that my vote will probably go to Sleepy. That vote for Jenny was just too, well, random. There seemed to be no thought behind it, no reasoning other than 'it's obvious Roa would have picked her'. Well why is it obvious? There are plenty of people here who know Roa, it isn't a good enough reason.

Whoops, getting cross again. I'm going to make sure I'm seeing this through clear eyes by doing a quick analysis of Sleepy so I know this isn't all down to one vote. I'll be around and back by the deadline.

[mormegil]

I've just had a nagging feeling about him and I think he's likely to be one of our early wolves. I imagine Roa chose him knowing that he would post very little and therefore avoid suspicion whcih has worked far too well.

++Glirdan

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++ZALI

Because:


She was suspected of evilness enough by the populace to have been on GW's death list two days running (lists which, combined, have played host to at least three Evils).
She made it onto my final six also.
She was the first voter today (I'm not sure why that bothers me so much, but perhaps because it "vindicates" her from jumping onto a bandwagon).

[Glirdan]

Well, this is certainly going to go down hill for me...like my ancestor from a previous village. Oh well. Not much I can really say in my defense, but it won't hurt to try.

I realise I haven't been posting substantially and up to ususal standards, but that is hardly my fault as I do have that drated time zone illness. However, after my return tomorrow (if I live that far :rolleyes: ), I will try and aid the village as much as possible.

Now there was something said earlier about me not giving thoughts of my own. Well, here's one. What of Eomer? When I consulted my books of lore, they revealed to me that Eomer is a rather kiniving and sneaky Wolf and he normally never lives past Day 1. Just that really makes me uneasy. And now he goes and says, and I quote:

Does no-one else think that this could be a huge hint? i.e. Azaelia and/or Glirdan is furry and fanged?

Could this be away of his to get rid of two other probable innocents? I don't know, but something about that makes me really uneasy.

[Glirdan]

Gah! I have ten minutes before I have to vote... I'm leaning towards voting Eomer simply because of that little comment (like I said, it makes me uneasy) or possibly my father because he had a rather poor excuse for his vote. Gah!! I'll be back in a minute with my decision.

[Kath]

Sleepy:

Day 1:
No posts.

Day 2:
Explain absence on Day 1 was due to illness.
Makes joke about going to see the wizard – perhaps more than a joke?
In character nonsense.

Defends Roa against Fea over her support of Loki – interesting, using history with Roa to support the idea, but mostly defending her by saying Fea should not be trusted just anyway.
Voted Fea.

Day 3:
Again apologises for not being active.
Votes Fea – practically no reasoning, ‘possibly for the previous day’. Possibly? He just turned up and voted. No thought.

Day 4:
Apologises in advance for what will seem an insane or wrong choice – and people pick up on Zali’s apologising but not this?
Votes Roa – claims to know she is evil, could be just in character nonsense, could be the truth.

That's as far as I had time to get. I forgot how many pages this thing was :rolleyes:

Anyway, what with the complete lack of even an attempt at valid reasons for votes plus a disastrous attendance record:

++SLEEPY

[Glirdan]

I have come to a decision.

++Sleepy

His vote just seems...odd and not having a proper explanation seems all the more suspicious. Also, he hasn't been overly vocal like he normally is which isn't at all like him if I look back on his ancestory. Could he have been told by my mother to stay quiet?

Anyway, I'm off. I shall see you (hopefully) in two Days time.

[littlemanpoet]

The Day is now done.

Voting is over.

First results will be forthcoming shortly.

The narrative, however, is probably going to come rather late. Sorry, RL.

[littlemanpoet]

Sleepy Ranger was not born in Sealville. He was of the men of Valandil, King of Arnor, and of the Dúnedain. So when he came to Sealville, calling himself by some odd sounding Elvish name the inhabitants of Sealvilled could not pronounce, they butchered it in their speech, into 'Sleepy'. And he was content. He found himself a wife, Roa, and they had three children, as has been told already: Caranlondien, Glirdan, and Lommy. Sleepy had named that youngest one, and asked what he meant by it, he said that Lommy was to her true name as Sleepy was to his. They raised their brows in confusion, but let it be.

The Ranger household always seemed peaceable enough, though Caranlondien was gone most of the time, and Glirdan was so quietive he might as well have been gone, and Lommy was a little thief, skulking everywhere but home. So the peaceableness may have been accounted to the fact that the Ranger home was usually empty of its children.

What the villagers did not know was that Roa had dug out a special little room that not even her husband knew of, and had decked it according to her wishes, in hopes of one day receiving the benefits of the prophecy. That room was bookshelved floor to ceiling, wall to wall to wall, and lorebooks from far and wide filled those shelves. A single candle lit the little room, standing on a desk big enough for just one book at a time, a single stool before it. Which left plenty of room for the Shadow when it came.

What the villagers did not know was that Sleepy once upon a time discovered this room, and wished that he had not. He loved his wife, though he always feared she did not return his favor, and kept her secret, though he knew he should not.

When the curse came, he refused to know what had happened. He denied himself the knowledge. He cut off such thoughts from his own awareness. And he stayed quiet for most of the days as the curse took its toll. He was greatly saddened by the deaths of his two daughters, and took it upon himself to bury them.

When Gurthang named his wife, Roa, as the evil wizard; worse, when Roa announced it proudly herself, he kept his mouth closed and watched the ensuing battle, betraying little emotion. Truth be told, he had not wholly been able to convince himself that she was not the evil wizard. As he watched the good wizard contort entirely out of human shape, and his wife go up in flames, he felt that his life was done. No, not free; but over. Yes, there was Glirdan who was so taken with mooning over the lass Kath, that Sleepy wondered if he noticed the deaths of all the females in his house.

So when Sleepy cast his vote for Jenny, giving hardly any reason, he supposed that he was perhaps signing his death warrant. And so it turned out to be; by one vote. Three votes to two to two. How fitting, he thought to himself.

Mormegil ordered him to be bound and led to the beech tree. He was trussed up and left there to stand upon the stool, the noose tight around his neck.

"Any last words, Sleepy?" asked Mormegil.

Sleepy Ranger said not a word, but looked upon his son reproachfully.

His son, Glirdan, was ordered to kick the stool out from under him, and Glirdan did so with a flourish, having cast the final vote for his own father.

Sleepy fell, choked, his neck broke, and he died.

"No werewolf there," someone commented.

~ The Tally ~ (6)

Four werewolves
One seer
One hunter

~ The Dead ~ (18)

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf
Celuien the Healer and Cupper, lynched on Day Three: innocent
Lhunardawen the jeweler, committed suicide on Day Three: innocent
Cailín the match maker, mauled by werewolves on Night Four: innocent
Valier the gardener, planted and stoned in her garden on Day Four: werewolf
Firefoot the artist, frenziedly eaten on Night Five: innocent
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn, head almost ripped off by werewolves: innocent
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain, drowned on his boat on Day Five: werewolf
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy, broken and consumed on Night Six: innocent
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver, skewered and kabobed on Night Six: ranger
Roa Aoife the weaver, burned by fire on Day Six: the evil wizard
Gurthang the stable-hand, contorted by evil magic on Day Six: the good wizard
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer, lynched on Day Six: innocent

~ The Living ~ (13)

Diamond of the Battledore
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker
Kath the minstrel
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna

[littlemanpoet]

Spawn had always wondered how she'd gotten such a name. Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant, to be exact. What had her parents, may they rest in peace, be thinking? She wondered why they had not at least named her Spawning Dance of Ungoliant, for then at least her handy nickname would have been 'Dance' instead of 'Spawn', which was what everybody called her. Actually, though she would not have minded being called 'Dance', she feared that she would have been expected to bear gobs of little spawns to her hubby Nilpaurion, so she was quite glad that she was a Spawn that danced, even if the horrible Ungoliant of legend was her supposed birth-mother. Which of course was precisely why she had the name, for her mother's name had been Ungoliant, and Spawn considered that she'd been the luckier of the two, for her mother Ungoliant was nothing at all like the horrible creature of legend, but a dear, quiet, soft-spoken woman who had unfortunately passed on ... or maybe fortunately, considering the current situation of Sealville.

Spawn had done her part, as had her husband Nilpaurion, and she was proud of him for being innocent, though dead. She had not been entirely pleased when her eldest son, the now revealed, and dead, Gurthang the Good Wizard, had sadly pronounced her doomed - precisely because she had been fearless and devastating in her analysis of other villagers. So things do go. Maybe it was the family tie that had caused him to speak so.

Mormegil, the gaffer, mayor, and retired mariner, was happy in Sealville. He had lived a full life, married, well, and fathered two eccentric and always interesting daughters, Jenny and Celuien. He was proud of his name, for he knew that it came from a tragic hero from the legends of the first age. He always tried to live up to them. He had not liked the marriage of his younger daughter, Celuien, to that beer toting Saucy, but he did admit that he provided well. Better, he thought, was the choice of Jenny, who refused marriage. He liked her independence.

When the Curse came, he as not entirely happy to lose Saucy on the first Day, for his daughter's sake. But when she was lynched, that cut him to the heart. When his eldest granddaughter was revealed to have been one of those cursed by the evil wizard, he was beside himself - on the inside - until the same happened to him.

Kath was one of the most simply named villagers, and for that she was glad. Her parents, she figured, must have named her in reaction to their own overgrown handles, Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant, and Nilpaurion Felagund. They had hinted at simpler times by naming her older brother Gurthang, but the true simplicity had come to the household with little Kath. Now she was pretty much grown up, and made a livelihood of minstrelsy, always sure to have one person in the audience, Glirdan, who listened to her playing and singing much, watched her even more, and tossed in a little bit of coin each day to pay for his gain. She bore this patiently, wondering when he would either lose interest or gain enough to finally meet with rejection, for there was no way she was going to have anything to do with that Ranger family; they were an odd bunch, their father a stranger from Arnor and all.

When the Curse had come to Sealville, Kath had been filled with trepidation and feared for her life. When her father Nilpaurion had turned out to be the seer, she was proud; but sad when he had been killed. When her brother Gurthang had been revealed as the Good Wizard himself, she almost burst with pride, for her family had never before been accounted as much in the village, and here they were the virtual saviors of the living. She hoped for the best.

Two werewolves entered the bedroom of Spawn through the window, and found only the bed empty. They swept the room with their feral gaze and did not find her. They crept back outside. One of them felt a sudden weight on its back, and felt a dagger at its throat, sawing at its throttle. The other werewolf turned and pounced upon the first werewolf's attacker and tore into her. For it was Spawn. She was relentless and even as she felt the pain of new deep scars across her back, she ripped at the throat of the werewolf she had attacked. The werewolf she was attacking died first. Spawn died soon after. The still living werewolf flayed deep, deep into her back, so deep that he reached through her ribcage from behind and wrenched her heart free, to show as a prize to the Shadow in hopes of being made the new evil wizard.

Two werewolves entered the other occupied bedroom in the Felagund house, and found Kath asleep, and dreaming. There was a pleasant look on her face. One of the werewolves tapped her on the shoulder. She woke up. Her eyes went wide with fright. The other werewolf clapped a fanged hand over her mouth before she could scream. The first werewolf ripped through her neck and killed her. Then both werewolves began playing a game of 'splash the walls', leaving bits of flesh and spatters of blood all over all the walls with each rip into the body with their sweeping, flaying arms. It was not long before the heart was visible. They took it, and made sure to pluck out her eyes as well, to bring to the Shadow.

The Shadow was most pleased, for three more villagers had died this night.

Spawn, her back gone and the stones beneath her stained with her blood, sat atop Mormegil, whose throat had been sawn so deep that his head was almost clean off his shoulders.

Next to them lay the flayed and blinded remains of Kath.

~ The Tally ~ (3)

Three werewolves
No Gifteds

~ The Dead ~ (18)

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf
Celuien the Healer and Cupper, lynched on Day Three: innocent
Lhunardawen the jeweler, committed suicide on Day Three: innocent
Cailín the match maker, mauled by werewolves on Night Four: innocent
Valier the gardener, planted and stoned in her garden on Day Four: werewolf
Firefoot the artist, frenziedly eaten on Night Five: innocent
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn, head almost ripped off by werewolves: innocent
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain, drowned on his boat on Day Five: werewolf
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy, broken and consumed on Night Six: innocent
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver, skewered and kabobed on Night Six: ranger
Roa Aoife the weaver, burned by fire on Day Six: the evil wizard
Gurthang the stable-hand, contorted by evil magic on Day Six: the good wizard
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer, lynched on Day Six: innocent
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker, flayed through the back on Night Seven: hunter
Kath the minstrel: flayed where she lay on Night Seven: seer
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor: virtually beheaded by the Hunter on Night Seven: werewolf

~ The Living ~ (10)

Diamond of the Battledore
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin who steals chickens
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna

[Lalaith]

O splendid, clever Spawn! So Mormegil had been cursed after all. And thanks to Spawn we are down to just one death a night now, so all is not lost.
But it just goes to show how wrong I was. I thought Eomer was the Seer and Morm might possibly be the Hunter. :rolleyes: I don't know whom to trust now, I'm going to have to reassess a lot of things.
I don't have time to post much now, it's bedtime. But I would ask everyone this. When you are hunting for wolves, think carefully about *when* you think your suspect became a wolf. It's no good saying, oh, so-and-so has been suspicious from the start.
This order of wolves being created was the theory Roa tried hardest to pooh-pooh when she did her analysis of me. But more later.

[Lalaith]

And one other thing. I'm feeling really most uncomfortable with Eomer.
I assumed from Caran's guarding, that he was the Seer. If he were innocent, this is what the wolves would also probably have assumed. So he should by rights be dead. But he's not.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm not at all comfortable with Eomer of the Rohirrim. I feel like I'm going to die in my sleep every time I think of the kilted adventurer. :(

Still, I have no freaking clue what to do right now. Where to even start with post analysis? I don't know when people became lupine, so I don't know what's suspicious and what's not. *is going slowly insane*

edit: cross-posted

[Diamond18]

Excellent hunting, Spawn! I KNEW IT! I knew Morm was evil. I just couldn't pin him down, make a case against him, vote with solid reasoning, etc. Which annoyed me to no end, but luckily Spawn was not hampered by anything of the sort!

Still, things are looking badly. Kath, our seer, died without getting to tell us who she dreamt of. We're down to ten people, and three are evil. That's bad odds. Bad, bad, odds. Not impossible odds, though....

I still don't trust Lalaith. Her point about Eomer is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. But isn't it interesting that she came right out of the blocks with it?

Here's what I know, but I find it interesting: Gurthang gifted his entire family. I almost wonder if the wolves saw that he'd gifted his father and took a chance betting that he'd gifted his mother and sister as well? This could explain Eomer's continued life if he's innocent. Savvy werewolves reading Gurthang's mind correctly could have gone after Spawn and Kath for no other reason than their relation to Gurthang.

I have a feeling Roa is the sort to totally ignore family connections when cursing. Just a hunch. ;) Still, I feel a bit like laying off Glirdan, since there's always the chance she avoided cursing people connected to her, even by the tenuous character link. We already know that Sleepy, Lommy, and Caran were innocent, anyway. I think there's a good chance she avoided Glirdan, too.

Yesterday's voting may not be able to tell us much, since in theory none of the wolves yet knew each other. (Though it's possible, and the fact that Roa pooh-poohed my theory about them knowing each other kind of renews my faith in it.)

I'm sure I'll have more thoughts later, that's just my off-the-cuff thinking.

[Kitanna]

...stunned silence...

Morm was a wolf? Well my faith in everything is completely shattered. I thought he was innocent, luckily our hunter saw through that. That's pretty good, both our hunters bagged wolves, I applaud that. Well done indeed.

Lalaith=
I assumed from Caran's guarding, that he was the Seer. If he were innocent, this is what the wolves would also probably have assumed. So he should by rights be dead. But he's not.
I don't know how I feel about jumping on that sort of point (not just for Eomer, but for anyone). Such things smell like set-ups to me.
But I will say, now that we know Morm was a wolf, that it's interesting Morm went after Eomer so much one day, and then sort of let his whole case drop. He said he was satisfied with Eomer's defense, but it all seems a little fishy now. I thought Morm was the seer and Eomer his dream. Wrong again.

I don't have much time now to look into it, but I'll take a look at Eomer after Morm stopped accusing him. But I'd also really like to take a look at Eonwe, Glirdan, and Oddwen today. They've all really flown under the radar and it worries me.

So, I'll return in a few hours with what I've found in Eomer, Eonwe, Glirdan, and Oddwen's post.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I take your point, Lalaith; but maybe the wolves thought I was the Hunter and that's why they did not attack me. After all, the wolves could have won it today but the village has been saved thanks completely to our Hunter, Spawn. Yesterday, Spawn suspected Mormegil at the close of day — they obviously thought that she was not the Hunter.

Morm being a wolf does not surprise me too much. He didn't seem as resolute in his convictions as he usually is.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Glirdan, as to your suspicions of me from yesterday, my point wasn't an attempt to get rid of two possible innocents. I'll explain it a bit better. The game mechanics changed because of you and Azaelia. That struck me as important and possibly indicates that one or both of you are wolves. You two are at the top of my suspicion list today.

(Azaelia won't be here today, is that right?)

[Lalaith]

While Spawn's hunt gave us a chance of victory, we are still in pretty dire straits, I think. This is because, out of the ten villagers that remain alive, five are, shall we say, the "strong, silent type." I include Jenny in this list as she has been uncharacteristically quiet.
I did feel a bit bad voting for you Jen, the day after your 21st - not a very nice birthday present, I know. But wolves can have birthdays like other folk...A very happy key to the door, anyway :)
If, as I believe, the majority of silent or near-silent ones are innocent, the wolves - two of which I think are among the vocal villagers - can use this to their advantage and outvote and outnumber the innocents who are active and posting.

So, please, quiet innocents, try to participate a bit more. We cannot win this without you.

What I will do now is go through the wolf deaths and creations again, to try to get a handle on when our remaining wolves might have been cursed.
Back soon.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

*Of course Glirdan and Azaelia won't be here today, Aimé, that's the instigating factor in your suspicion of them.* :rolleyes:

There are two options as far as I'm concerned (because I know something crucial about me):

1) The wolves genuinely didn't pick up on this Caranlondien-guarding-me-clue.

2) The wolves saw how wrong I was and decided that I couldn't be the Seer. I never had any real suspicion of Roa, whereas Spawn actually voted for her and said she looked EW-ish. If this is true, then I must conclude that Diamond is innocent, considering that I went after her at the start of yesterday.

There's also the reason Kath was killed. She didn't voice suspicions of Roa at all the day before she dreamed of her. So the wolves apparently got lucky with that kill. Why then would Kath be killed? Beats me.

I must admit that if any of you were in my position I'd be attacking you. At least, if you do lynch me, you'll know that those are the two options.

Oh well, exam time. Concentration levels will not be optimum. :D

[JennyHallu]

Yes, Lalaith, I have been quieter than usual. I attribute this mostly to three things: Last week was crazy-busy, my husband has been sick since Saturday night, and for some reason my internet at home hasn't been working. :rolleyes:

It is really frustrating that both gifteds were killed last night, because my first move this morning was to be a push for them to reveal. 3 known innocents would have really helped our chances...and now there are no known innocents...

So...if you are a wolf, consider this a kick in the shin. Drat!

So...now we have three wolves and no idea who they are. Well, we have ideas. I think Kitanna is a wolf. She was accused a few days ago of quiet, and suddenly came up with all these analyses. I've thought her a wolf for three days and no one has listened. Zali still worries me. Come on, folks, she's been on a top suspect list for days! If she's that suspicious how does she keep charming her way out of lynching? And for a third...Lalaith? Eonwe? Diamond or Fea pulling a huge bluff? Roa would not be above picking one of those two...honestly, that last one would be a pin-the-tail on the donkey guess. But I am definitely worried about Kitanna and Zali.

I don't think Eomer is a wolf. Honestly, going after Spawn and Kath makes sense to me. Kath was quiet and under the radar, but when she did speak she was very clear, very helpful, and her analyses have been good. Someone should go back and see if we can get any hints of who she may have dreamed of last night, just to see where her suspicions were. And didn't she have a dream the night before?

Spawn, however, I already thought was gifted...look at the hints she dropped that she would be looking at Morm in the future. Perhaps the wolves thought she was the Seer, rather than Kath.

And the related-to-Gurthang pattern, now it's been pointed out, is really obvious.



I'm not really sure where to go with schtuff today. Going to sit back and see if discussion today brings up any brainwaves. And maybe do some of the work I'm technically here for.

[Kitanna]

Looking at Kath's posts from yesterday I don't think she dreamt of a wolf. The only person she seemed convinced of was Spawn and she's gone too. Everyone else was a "could be guilty, a good choice" or "possibly innocent based on this fact." And then she voted for Sleepy. I'd think if she had dreamt of a wolf she would have voted for him/her.

Glirdan=
I'm afraid to say that I shall be going on a little trip for two days or so (that would be the next [possible] four days in RL)
Glirdan explains that he will be gone from the game for two days. I'd say at this point if he wasn't a wolf Roa wasn't going to change him into one until he had gotten back (if at all).

Eonwe didn't show up at all on Day Two. I say he'd be a bad choice for Roa, but not terrible. I say not terrible mainly because his silence would help him stay off people's suspects lists. Obviously he'd be a bad choice because if he's not around during the Day he's probably not going to be around at night.
Eonwe=
Yeah, about that. A surprise visit from the Grandparents has somewhat certailed my Werewolfing activities.
Finally an explanation for his absence.

Now I lean to an innocent Eonwe, but I'm not convinced. Roa could have picked him because he had been silent and no one was paying much attention to him. Eventually she would have learned of her error when Eonwe was not around for days at a time. I'd say it's highly unlikely, but anything is possible.

Glirdan became rather active again the Day before Roa's death. He could have been made the sixth wolf. If Roa thought he was going to be active again she could have cursed him because Glirdan was suspected, but usually he just sort of flew under the radar. However Roa tended to stay away from her family and Glirdan was her son.

So far she's cursed two from Morm's line (Morm and Naria), one from the Fea/Valier line (Valier), one from Alcarillo's line (Alcarillo), and one from lmp's line (Nogrod). And then Loki who was from no family. I think she was trying to get one from each line. So far Gurthang's is clean ('cause of Gurthang no doubt) and Lalaith and Oddwen's family line is unproven. Makes me suspect Oddwen just a little more and it calls Lalaith to my attention.

I've voiced my suspicions of Oddwen and I continue to think she should be looked at by everyone.

As for Glirdan and Eonwe: I say Eonwe is probably innocent. I say Glirdan could easily go either way.

And finally Morm suspected Eomer heavily at the start of Day Two (I believe), but as the day progressed he let his suspicions drop. He began to see Eomer as an innocent, though there was always a slight hint of suspicion. So what does that mean?
1) Morm was a wolf at that point and was trying to get an innocent lynched, but during the day he guessed Eomer was a wolf. Assuming Roa revealed to the wolves before she died later on Morm confirmed Eomer was a wolf.
2) Morm was not a wolf at the time and he truly thought Eomer was a wolf, but he believed Eomer's defense and so on and gave him the benefit of the doubt.
3) Morm was a wolf and was trying to build up Eomer as the EW or a wolf and then changed his stand on Eomer, but with enough doubt about him to have Eomer lynched. Then if Eomer died an innocent Morm could do what he does so well and convince us he was innocent of getting Eomer.

I lean to 1 or 3 being the most possible scenarios for why Morm left Eomer alone after his intial attack on him.

Be back in a few hours with a vote.

[Lalaith]

Here is a pocket history of our village. I've spent way too much time on this today, I just hope someone else finds it useful.

Day One: Two wolves
Nogrod is just behind the lynched Loki in the voting. Would Noggie have been made a wolf by the EW after this? Very unlikely. So he must surely have been a Day One wolf. Naria posted a lot (for her) on Day One. She also voted for Nogrod. What does that mean? Was she an original, or a Night Two/Three wolf?
Night two:
A new wolf is cursed, and the wolves kill Saucie.
Nilp is made seer but doesn’t dream.
Day Two: Three wolves
Oddwen has six votes to Noggie’s 11. Incidently, two wolves (if Naria was already a wolf) voted for Oddwen. Probably a coincidence, of course. But nonetheless, with so much suspicion on her, Oddwen would be an unlikely choice for wolfing on Night Three.
Wolf-Nogrod – is lynched. And while I can’t pretend I’ve re-read through the early days, just take a look at something that caught my eye in his post 333. “Sorry Roa, I'm doing this again. But I really want to see, if I should still try to fight for myself - or try to help you a bit before I go.” So clearly Roa did reveal her identity to her wolves. Don’t know if that helps….
Night three –
A wolf is created.
Phantom is made hunter, the wolves vote to kill him, LMP has him kill Wolf-Naria, who wanted him dead.
Nilp dreams of Cailin.

Day Three: Two wolves
Eomer-3, Azaelia-4, Alcarillo-2, Fea-1, Roa-2, Valier-3, Celuien-5
This is the day Valier goes beserk after Roa.
We lynch Celuien.
Would Roa risk wolfing Zali, Valier or Eomer the following night? I’m starting to wonder if she might not have taken the risk with Val, given that she had three wolves given to her.

Night four:
Roa has clearly complained to LMP and is given the right to create three new wolves.
Two wolves are created, while Nilp is ungifted by Roa’s curse.
Gurthang makes Spawn his hunter.
Nilp dreams of Firefoot.
The wolves try to kill Gurthang, and succeed in killing Cailin.

Day Four: Four wolves.
Gurthang reveals himself, as does Nilp.
Gurthang gives us a hit-list: Zali, Roa, Valier and Eomer. Roa and Diamond both make a fuss.
Valier continues to act weird and we lynch her for it. Roa votes for her because “she’s the only one on the list who’s even mildly suspicious.” Alcarillo gives the first vote for Roa. Was he a wolf at this point?

At one point during the voting, Roa posts this:
Just to sum up

Zali - 3
Valier - 5
Roa - 3
Eomer - 1

Votes so far - 12
Votes remaining - 10
Left to vote: Valier, Zali, Eomer, Caran, Glirdan (where is he?), Sleepy, Kitanna, Oddwen, Lal, Eonwe (see Glirdan)
Time Left - 3 hours, 5 minutes
Now, this is a very significant post, I think. I believe that here she was calling on some of her wolves, reminding them to get voting. She may be reminding them Glirdan and Eonwe probably aren’t around. She knew that Valier obviously had to vote for her (Roa) for the bluff to keep working. There must have been other wolves on that list. I know it’s not me, we all know it’s not Caran or Sleepy. That leaves a lot of those still alive now: Eomer, Zali, Glirdan, Kitanna, Oddwen, Eonwe.
Now, Kitanna comes in to vote for Zali. That actually does makes her look quite good.
Then I come and vote Valier. I think this does make me look suspicious, it’s a “save Roa” vote, but I know I’m innocent.
Zali comes in and more or less asks people to vote for her. She also votes for Alcarillo, out of the blue.
Eomer votes for Valier.
Sleepy and Caran, subsequently proved innocent, both vote for Roa.

Night Five
Another wolf is created. This wolf is sure to be fairly random as Roa would not know how Gurthang’s lynch list would work, and if she would be on it again.
The wolves kill Nilp and Firefoot.
Gurthang makes Kath his seer but she fails to dream.

Day Five - four wolves
Gurthang, in consultation with Kath and Spawn, gives us the following:
Alcarillo, Azaelia, Feanor, Kitanna

From the voting, it is clear that Roa is trying to save Alc at Fea’s expense. Which makes me think that Fea was probably innocent at this point.
We lynch Alcarillo, he is a wolf.
Night Six.
Another wolf is created. This I think will be an “alpha wolf.” Gurthang makes Caran his ranger. She protects Eomer.
Kath dreams of Roa and discovers her to be the EW.
Lommy and Caran are both killed by wolves.

Day Six - Four wolves
The wizards duel and die. We lynch Sleepy who is innocent.
Night Seven
The wolves kill Spawn and Kath, and Spawn takes out wolf-Morm.

Day Seven - three wolves
When was Morm cursed? Was Alcarillo an early wolf as I have previously asserted? I’m starting to wonder…

[Lalaith]

Right, reading through my own notes I can't see how Zali was a wolf, at least not on Day Four. Roa (who seems to have revealed herself to her wolves if Noggie's post is anything to go by) has given the sign to vote for Valier, and she has also asked her wolves to save her. Zali's random Alcarillo vote therefore looks pretty good to me.

[Lalaith]

And finally...something that caught my eye in one of Jenny's posts yesterDay.Honestly, I think most of the reason I was not picked is that Roa and I tend to bicker.


Really? Can I just say two words to you: Nogrod. Valier.

It seems to me that this is exactly what Roa did with people she had a tendency to bicker with - she got them onside by cursing them. So, another reason I'm suspecting you still, Jenny....not to mention That Mistress Diamond.

[Oddwen]

Does no-one else think that this could be a huge hint? i.e. Azaelia and/or Glirdan is furry and fanged? I think that's rather close to 'getting clues from the narrative', I don't think LMP would be that forward. So no, really.

Morm's last post yesterDay was really funky, I would probably have jumped on that toDay. Or, poked at it or something.

'kay. ToDay is likely the first day that the Wolves know who each other are. So, this is almost like a Day One, only with more to go on.

Night Six.
Another wolf is created. This I think will be an “alpha wolf.” I suspect this "alpha wolf" could have been Morm. His posting yesterday was almost, well, I don't know how to say it, "Desperate to take it somewhere"? "Relief at finally knowing something concrete"? Umm, darn. :confused:

Diamond to answer about my position on Kath, if you wish I have well over 10 lore books with people very similar to us crossing paths multiple times and they always seem to end up suspecting each other. So I've resigned myself to always think her evil though seldom do much about it only when I have a really strong feeling that she is. Kath would agree with me on this point. Did they kill Kath to make Morm look guilty (not Wolfishly guilty but "oh no, poor Kath I wish I hadn't said that, I'll regret this for the rest of my innocent life" gulty)?



And allow me one silly moment -

So, I'll return in a few hours with what I've found in Eomer, Eonwe, Glirdan, and Oddwen's post. Surely, we've been more active than that! ;)

[JennyHallu]

Really? Can I just say two words to you: Nogrod. Valier.

It seems to me that this is exactly what Roa did with people she had a tendency to bicker with - she got them onside by cursing them. So, another reason I'm suspecting you still, Jenny....not to mention That Mistress Diamond.


But they bicker with everybody...:D

Maybe my attempt to rescue my pride is completely off and I wasn't picked because Roa thought I'd be a bad wolf.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Gah! Oddwen: it's not 'getting clues from the narrative' at all. It's noting that the rules were modified mid-game and wondering what could be so significant as to allow for that.

So few people are willing to entertain this notion. Why?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Because I can't bring myself to think that LMP would do anything to compromise the integrity of the game whether for balance or not. To change the rules in the middle because one team might lose? *shakes head*

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Suit yourself.

I'm going to go with one of my theories and say that Diamond is innocent. If she was a wolf and was wondering whether I was the Seer or not, because of the Caran thing, she wouldn't have allowed her team to take that chance (considering Kath was an apparent 'random').

Oh, and all this talk of so-and-so being helpful, we're as helpful as our natures allow us. Some people call huge analyses helpful; I don't because I can't make too much sense of a huge number of posts presented in such a way. We all find different things helpful; and everyone, villager and wolf alike, wants to appear helpful.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, that looks bad and it's not at all what I mean. I've modded a game before and I could tell you about all the things that went wrong in that. I'm not questioning anyone's integrity, all I'm doing is suggesting that something was altered in the interests of overall fairness in the game, and to keep the WW spirit alive.

Issues of fairness collide. What if the wolves were killed off on a technicality? How fair is that for the EW? The game is forever evolving.

But I didn't at all mean to offend. So sorry if anyone took it personally, ok? :)

[Lalaith]

I said before that I thought we were dealing with night four onwards wolves. But here's an alternative scenario that's worth thinking about.
Night one: Nogrod, Naria.
Night two: ?
Night three: ?
Night four: Valier, ?
I now wonder if Roa cursed Valier after Valier first went after her, and then told Val to just carry on.
Night five: Alcarillo (because he voted for her off the short-list the day before?)
Night six: Mormegil

So now I'm thinking maybe one night two, one night three and one night four wolf. Sigh. It would be so much easier to have no original wolves left, much less material to go over.

[Lalaith]

I've got to go now, won't be back until after deadline.

Eomer, you've been damn convincing today and if it was anyone else I'd believe them. But you, my dear, are notoriously King Bluff.
Here's my reasons:
a. You shouldn't be alive, as I said first thing.
b. You fit the bill of the wolf that heeded Roa's call to vote Valier ahead of her.

++EOMER

ToMorrow, if we all live, I want to look more carefully at Diamond. The Roa-squabble theory, you know....

[JennyHallu]

I'm going to have to vote about two hours before the deadline because I don't know if I can trust the internet at home. Still not sure what to think...I'm not convinced of Eomer's guilt.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have afternoon obligations starting in fifteen minutes. Won't be back until around 10:00 PM... long after voting ends.

So I have to vote and... well...

++EOMER

Because I've never trusted him, he's been generally suspicious the whole game, and I'm surprised that the wolves didn't kill him. Generally when wolves don't kill people I have my eye on, it's because they frown upon killing their co-workers. I suppose I'm probably wrong, but since I have to choose, I have to choose. My vote goes to the one that makes me most nervous at any given time.

[Oddwen]

Uh-oh. Guess what. I also have no other chance to vote today.

[Oddwen]

++JENNYHALLU

I apologize, I really have no time to explain, truly sorry, will try tomorrow if I'm alive. :(

[JennyHallu]

That's the third totally unsubstantiated vote I've received in this game. Very very frustrating...How am I supposed to defend myself? And at this point in the game, we need helpful posts. All Oddwen has done today is post a recap of game events (we already know what happened, almost everything she said was in the narrations) and post a completely unsubstantiated vote. Even if that vote were for Kitanna (who has, up until just now topped my suspicions list) I would find it odd. Oddwen, you just jumped out of the probably-innocent range. I can't see how to interprete your posting today (or all game, really) in your favor.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That's the way Oddwen has played the entire game. How long is she going to be allowed to keep it up?

Nothing personal, Lalaith & Fea. I too would vote for me if I was in your shoes.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, I'm not sticking around so I'll have to vote now.

++ODDWEN

She's usually a strange player but this time 'round she's been ultra-weird. You can never truly tell what's going on behind those posts. Plus, there is no-one else I feel comfortable in voting for (excluding Glirdan and Azaelia, but let's ignore that).

I don't expect to be alive tomorrow so I'd love to leave you with some advice, but I'm really stumped. I've no idea who the wolves are. Sorry.

[JennyHallu]

I really need to spend this next hour working. *Sigh*

And since I have no way of knowing if the internet is still on the fritz at home, I'll have to vote too.

++Oddwen

This is not a revenge vote: I don't like how substanceless her posts have been, and frankly, it's the most wolvish thing I've seen today. I'm convinced the wolves must never have known who eachother were...there seems to be so little to go on, and so little village left. Frankly, I'm scared of what might happen if we don't get a wolf today.

[Diamond18]

I think Eomer's innocent. Ergo, I don't want him to die.

+ + Oddwen

My head has felt like mush toDay -- I'm not sure about hardly anyone.... I'm still suspicious of Lalaith, though I have found her posts toDay to be good reading. My suspicions of Kitanna are mounting again. Both of these people are like Morm, they give me bad feelings but I can't pin them down. All the quiet people remain disturbing, and Oddwen's vote for Jenny is disturbing to me (just like Sleepy's and he was innocent, blaargh). But if this is a mistake, so be it.

[Kitanna]

Well I'm quite torn. Oddwen is still near the top of my list and it appears others have joined in to thinking Oddwen is just too odd for the village good.

Her vote for Jenny was odd, not because of who she voted for or the fact she gave no reason, it's because it's not like her. This goes for all her votes and posts this game. We all agree Oddwen is odd (hence her name) but I feel this is beyond her oddness. I'm inclined to vote for her, yet Eomer has me equally as troubled.

I thought Morm was an innocent and possibly our second seer. But with his death as a werewolf I am worried now about Eomer. Morm had him cornered as a wolf and then dropped his case suddenly. Eomer is king of the bluffers, of course Eomer would seem like a bad choice for a wolf, but that kind of makes him a good choice.

So here's an idea. Roa would want someone like Eomer, a bad choice, because most people wouldn't dare pick him. I also think Fea would fit there. But Roa probably wouldn't want both of them as wolves. So I think is Eomer is lynched today and proven guilty, Fea is probably innocent. If Eomer is innocent then I'd say Fea is probably guilty.

Well, I was hoping to have come to a decision already, but I'm going to go think over who I think is more wolvish: Eomer or Oddwen

[Kitanna]

If I don't vote for Oddwen today I'll just do it tomorrow. I'm worried about her flying under the radar for so long, her lack of substance can be forgiven for some of her votes, but not all. I've said before I feel like she's doing what Alcarillo did, flying low after moderate activity the first few days. Also looking at the family trees and known wolves I still think Roa was trying to get at least one cursed in each family and so far no one in Lalaith and Oddwen's family has been cursed.

++ Oddwen

Tomorrow I'll deal with Eomer.

[littlemanpoet]

Activity for Day Seven is Complete.

The story will arrive some time in the next few hours.

[littlemanpoet]

After burying the corpses of Spawn, Kath, and Mormegil, the ten remaining villagers went back into town. Seven of them were innocent and three were werewolves. The innocent villagers were getting nervous. They were getting worried. They looked at each other in growing unease, wondering which three of their number were the werewolves. The werewolves for their part were gleeful, even though they had lost one of their number, and did all they could not to show it, so they made a point of looking nervous, looking worried, looking at all the other villagers as if they were wondering which three of their number were the werewolves ... as they laughed in their hearts.

Zali turned away from the group and hid in the house. Glirdan went for a long walk along the shore, mourning for Kath. Eonwe went for a hike in the foothills. The remaining six adults went into the Salty Seal while Oddwen ran to and fro and around the building, singing inanities, licking the rocks, jumping in the fountain then rolling in the dust. The adults raided the pantry, which was still rather well supplied. They pulled out pickled herring, beer, brown bread, and other less and more delectable fare, and hove to as they discussed their predicament. As was not unusual, Lalaith set her food and drink down first to speak.

"I don't know whom to trust now, I'm going to have to reassess a lot of things."

"Assess or reassess all you like, Lal. I say excellent hunting, Spawn, if you can only hear me from beyond the grave. I knew Morm was evil. And I still don't trust you, Lalaith."

"I can't believe Morm was a wolf," Kitanna offered. "And my faith in everything is completely shattered."

"What is that supposed to mean?" Diamond asked.

"It means there's hardly any way to tell who the werewolves are."

Diamond had no response to that except a nod of the head.

"Maybe the wolves thought I was the Hunter and that's why they did not attack me," Eomer suggested.

"All I can say is I wish Zali, Glirdy, Eonwe, and my Oddwen would please try to participate a bit more. I do not think we can win this without them." - Lalaith

"I'm thinking about why Kath was killed," Eomer said as he chewed on a big chunk of brown bread. "She didn't voice suspicions of Roa at all the day before she dreamed of her. So the wolves apparently got lucky with that kill. So why then would Kath be killed? Beats me."

"I think Kitanna is a wolf, but I don't think Eomer is a wolf," Jenny offered.

"I don't think Kath dreamt of a wolf," Kitanna said. "As for Glirdan and Eonwe, I say Eonwe is probably innocent. I say Glirdan could easily go either way."

"Thank you very much for that, Kitanna," said Lalaith. Then she launched into a long narrative of how things had gone since the Curse came upon Sealville. When she had done, she paused a moment and said, "Having said all that, I can't see how Zali was a wolf, at least not on Day Four." She chewed carefully on a bit of herring. "And something that Jenny said yesterday is eating at me. She says, 'Honestly, I think most of the reason I was not picked is that Roa and I tend to bicker.' But I say to that, 'Really? Can I just say two words to you: Nogrod. Valier."

"But those two bicker with everybody," Jenny retorted.

"Diamond is innocent," Eomer declared. "And all this talk of so-and-so being helpful, I say that helpful is as helpful does. It's in the eye of the beholder. What's helpful to me ain't necessarily helpful to you nor vice versa."

"I wonder if Roa cursed Valier after Valier first went after her, and then told Val to just carry on. At any rate, I am going to start the vote today. You, my dear Eomer, are notoriously King Bluff." With that, Lalaith voted for Eomer.

"I'm not convinced of Eomer's guilt," Jenny said.

Feanor, who had been rather quiet and in the beer until now, said, "I've never trusted Eomer, he's been generally suspicious the whole time, and I'm surprised that the wolves haven't killed him yet, if you take my meaning. I vote Eomer."

Suddenly Oddwen came rushing in, blowing and dribbling saliva out of both sides of her mouth. "I vote Jenny!" she said, rushing up to the table where the adults sat, stopping with a slap of her filthy hands on the table edge, sending dust on all the food. "I really have no time to explain, truly sorry!" She ran back outside again.

"That's the third totally unsubstantiated vote I've received in this game," Jenny complained.

"Lalaith & Feanor," said Eomer, "I too would vote for me if I was in your shoes. No hard feelings. Oddwen, on the other hand, has always been odd, but lately she has been ultra-weird. I vote Oddwen.

"I vote Oddwen," Jenny announced. "This is not a revenge vote. I'm scared of what might happen if we don't get a wolf today."

"I think Eomer's innocent," Diamond said, batting her eyelashes at him gratefully. Then resuming her twenty-years-his-senior dignity she said, "Ergo, I don't want him to die. I vote Oddwen."

"Oddwen is just too odd for the village good," Kitanna said. "I vote Oddwen. Tomorrow I'll deal with Eomer."

They waited until sundown. Glirdan, Zali, and Eonwe had stayed away.

With no Mormegil as mayor to do the honors, they drew straws to determine who would have the honor of leading the proceedings, such as they were. The honor adhered to Kitanna. She decided that she liked being mayor for a day.

"First we have to catch Oddwen." The six adults finished their food and drink, then left the Salty Seal in search of little Oddwen. Lalaith lagged behind, feeling as if she were failing in her duty as guardian to catch the little girl in order to lynch her. The others went to it with a will, and soon they caught sight of her and gave chase. Oddwen looked back and saw the adults coming after her, and thought it was a game of tag. She laughed with glee, and tore off in a new direction, giggling with delight. The adults never played tag otherwise, and this was turning into the happiest day of her life.

She was fast, clever, and covered in slime and filth. She was very hard to catch. Now she was under a table. Now she had disappeared into a basement. Now she was on the other side of the fountain. Now she was sneaking up behind Feanor and going "Boo!" and sending the otherwise dignified lady jumping with an "eek!"

Finally they had her surrounded and she could not get away, and she gave up in a fit of laughing glee. They took hold of her and led her to the beech tree.

"Am I it now?"

"Yes, dear," sniffed Lalaith.

"How high should I count? To one hundred?"

"Yes, dear, one hundred would be good," Lalaith moaned. "Be sure to close your eyes, my dear, and count very slowly while the rest of us go hide."

"Why are they putting the rope around my neck?"

"To make sure you don't come running before you count to one hundred, my dear." Lalaith began to weep.

"Why are they putting this black hood over my head?"

"So you don't peek and see which way we go hide, my dearest," Lalaith bawled.

"Aunt Lal, why do you sound so sad?"

"I'm not sad," Lalaith cried. "I've never been so happy in my entire life, playing tag with you! Now count to one hundred."

"One ..... two ..... three .... f-" She fell. "Gck! GK!!! GGGKK!!!!!" She was too light.

"Someone do something!" Lalaith screamed.

Eomer ran up to Oddwen and pulled down on both legs as hard as he could. Oddwen's neck broke and she died, swinging limply in the air. She did not change into a werewolf.

Lalaith fell to the ground and was inconsolable.

~ The Tally ~

Three werewolves
Six Innocent

~ The Dead ~ (19)

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf
Celuien the Healer and Cupper, lynched on Day Three: innocent
Lhunardawen the jeweler, committed suicide on Day Three: innocent
Cailín the match maker, mauled by werewolves on Night Four: innocent
Valier the gardener, planted and stoned in her garden on Day Four: werewolf
Firefoot the artist, frenziedly eaten on Night Five: innocent
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn, head almost ripped off by werewolves: innocent
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain, drowned on his boat on Day Five: werewolf
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy, broken and consumed on Night Six: innocent
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver, skewered and kabobed on Night Six: ranger
Roa Aoife the weaver, burned by fire on Day Six: the evil wizard
Gurthang the stable-hand, contorted by evil magic on Day Six: the good wizard
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer, lynched on Day Six: innocent
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker, flayed through the back on Night Seven: hunter
Kath the minstrel: flayed where she lay on Night Seven: seer
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor: virtually beheaded by the Hunter on Night Seven: werewolf
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin, lynched in a game of tag on Day Seven: innocent

~ The Living ~ (9)

Diamond of the Battledore
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna

[littlemanpoet]

Glirdan was in mourning. Kath was gone, killed by werewolves. His father Sleepy was gone, lynched! Caranlondien and Lommy had been taken by werewolves. And his mother, Roa, was dead, but only because the good wizard head killed her so she could not create any more werewolves. He wondered if she had turned him into one and he didn't know it. He looked at his fingers, imagining claws, his arms, imagining them covered in fur. No, he didn't think so.

The wind blew off the salty sea, sending clean and scoured air his way. He was glad of it, for the Cursed village was becoming no place he wanted to live. He imagined that they would be voting for the next person to lynch. Let them vote! He would have none of it. He walked on. As the sun set he considered going back to town, and least to find out who had been lynched. He had no stomach for it. He kept on walking.

As darkness descended, all that could be told was the thundering waves crashing against the rocks strewen across the shore like bits of meat not consumed by the maw of the sea when it had eaten Numenor and the westmost shores of Luin in a gulp. Glirdan swallowed hard. He did not like thinking about great maws, huge gulps, and ravenous appetites. He turned his mind back to Kath and dreamed of her walking down the street, of her playing her lyre, her sweet voice, her-

He turned. Had he heard growling? A black shadow seemed to loom behind that rock. Suddenly snarls and claws and pain. He screamed.

***********

As dawn arrived, the villagers made their reluctant trek to the Watcher Rock. There lay Glirdan's body, or rather the largely skeletal remains of him. Only his head and feet and hands had been left unravaged; so they could identify him. They had no need to wonder if they had taken his heart; there was nothing left but a ribcage messy with scraps the werewolves were too indelicate to clean off. When they tried lift the body it fell into many bones, and not a few of them lost their last night's suppers. Nevertheless, they buried the bones in the graveyard, next to the one of Oddwen, already carefully decorated with a flower garden by Lalaith.

************

~ The Tally ~ (3)

Three werewolves
Five innocents

~ The Dead ~ (19)

Elempi, father of Diamond of the Battledore, killed on Night One
Loki the leech collector, lynched on Day One: innocent
The Saucepan Man the barkeep, killed on Night Two: innocent
Nogrod the retired jester, lynched on Day Two: werewolf
the phantom the loud, unpredictable, adventurer: hunter
Naria the servant who empties and cleans chamber pots: werewolf
Celuien the Healer and Cupper, lynched on Day Three: innocent
Lhunardawen the jeweler, committed suicide on Day Three: innocent
Cailín the match maker, mauled by werewolves on Night Four: innocent
Valier the gardener, planted and stoned in her garden on Day Four: werewolf
Firefoot the artist, frenziedly eaten on Night Five: innocent
Nilpaurion the ne'er do well hubby of Dancing Spawn, head almost ripped off by werewolves: innocent
Alcarillo the old retired sea captain, drowned on his boat on Day Five: werewolf
Lommy the little girl who steals other children's candy, broken and consumed on Night Six: innocent
Caranlondien the Sled-Team Driver, skewered and kabobed on Night Six: ranger
Roa Aoife the weaver, burned by fire on Day Six: the evil wizard
Gurthang the stable-hand, contorted by evil magic on Day Six: the good wizard
Sleepy Ranger the former wanderer, lynched on Day Six: innocent
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant the Baker, flayed through the back on Night Seven: hunter
Kath the minstrel: flayed where she lay on Night Seven: seer
mormegil the retired mariner and current mayor: virtually beheaded by the Hunter on Night Seven: werewolf
Oddwen the filthy, insane street urchin, lynched in a game of tag on Day Seven: innocent
Glirdan with the giant crush on Kath, killed and eaten by the seashore on Night Eight: innocent

~ The Living ~ (8)

Diamond of the Battledore
Kitanna the beloved of Eomer
Feanor the shepherdess with a love of alliteration
Zali the seamstress and beloved of the phantom
Jenny Hallu the unmarried maiden & aunt
Lalaith the frivolous aunt and guardian of Oddwen
Eonwe the freeloading husband of Lhunardawen
Eomer the adventurer & lover of Kitanna

[Lalaith]

Right. Enough is enough. Can we *please* lynch The Wolf of the Rohirrim now.
Look at him yesterday. Gloating about Glirdan and Zali being away.
And this.
I too would vote for me if I was in your shoes

It's more than flesh and blood can stand.

The other wolves, I strongly suspect, are two out of Kitanna, Jenny and Diamond.



[B]++EOMER

[Lalaith]

PS I very much fear that Eonwe is not going to be around for the rest of the game. And I very much fear he is not a wolf. So all the voting innocents need to vote the same way to get rid of these lupines.
There's been some very wolvish-looking bandwaggoning going on the last couple of days, getting rid of innocents Sleepy and Oddwen. If another innocent goes today, we lose.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I find it sad that you refuse to even entertain the notion that I might be innocent, Lalaith; no doubt, my thoughts today will horrify and anger you.

I have given this much thought today (so much so that I probably got a much poorer mark in my exam than I should have) and I have come to the conclusion that Lalaith (!) is a wolf.

I guessed on the very first day (even before the game started, actually) that she would be among the prime picks for wolvery. No-one ever wants to lynch her because she appears so sensible and so helpful and so sweet and innocent. It's an act: we've seen it before. I'm amazed that I have lasted this long; but I don't think anyone is amazed that Lalaith is still here. I'll ask again: Why on earth would the EW pick me to be a wolf? Everyone sees bluffs for what they are, at least now that we've played about a million Werewolf games. That's why I'm very confident Fea is also innocent. Neither of us last 'til anywhere near the end.

Lalaith came into her own yesterday, after her Mayor buddy Mormegil was taken out. Until then, Mormegil had actually been acting as a Mayor proper, conducting the village. Yesterday, Lalaith was doing it. Chastising us about not fully taking into account when the wolves were turned. Apparently you didn't notice that this strategy tells us very little as any combination of villagers could have been turned at any time. All this 'theory' was supposed to was gain the upper-hand in the politics of the village.

I should never have let my instinct go unheeded.

As to your argument in voting for me (not including the Caran-factor which I explained yesterday, however unlikely it might have seemed — sorry, but the wolves did guess right and left innocent me alone while they got the gifteds).

Gloating about Zali and Glirdan not being here? That doesn't make any sense and you know it. You're scaremongering, Lalaith.

And because I don't think many of you will buy into this I fully expect to be lynched today; and so we will all perish. That's the thing Lalaith: not enough people suspect you. And I fear that your fellows are too far behind me in the suspicion stakes.

This is not a revenge vote, I really do think you are a wolf. A vote on the first post, I mean really! Well, I can meet you in that respect.

++LALAITH

I'll be back tomorrow, at some point.

[Diamond18]

*bangs head against desk repeatedly*

Why do I suddenly get the feeling that both Lal and Eomer are wovles? Lal because I've thought so for a long time and Eomer because, well, these back to back votes are just tooooooo convenient. One dies as a wolf and the other looks really good? Also the points Eomer made against Lal are very similar to my earlier ones -- like, he uses some of the exact same words. Trying to jump on my wagon, are you? Bah. I'm going to have to read over yesterDay... and the Day before... and.... *sigh*

I don't know what to do, really, but I'm not going to jump to vote just yet.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Apologies for my absence yesterDay, all.

To business. As one of an (ever-shrinking) number of voting innocents, I am not going to make my previous mistake and vote with my first post.

Going back a bit: I was planning on calling Morm out when I got on. But the rest of you took care of that yesterday. I must admit I was a little smug when I read that he turned out to be a baddie, just because I was about to snap because of being constanty discredited. Sure, I haven't been doing my best, but I'm not sure I deserved what I got from him.

Anyhow. I'm not going to be so bold as to proclaim anyone a wolf for sure just yet, but I think just from toDay's first couple posts, we can determine that at least one of Eomer and Lalaith is a wolf, if not both. I agree with Diamond that the set-up of the two votes is a little too convenient, but I'm not sure which one (if not both) is guilty yet.

More to come later (though I'm not sure how long, exactly, that will be).

[JennyHallu]

Diamond, I highly doubt they're both wolves. Why would they set themselves up that way when all they need is one innocent kill? One of them is, definitely, but not both.

And I'm considering the possibility that I may have to vote tonight.

Weekends are crazy busy when you work all week, and I have no way of knowing how much time I'll have or if I'll have time before the deadline tomorrow. Must think about this...no mistakes today.

But frankly, Lalaith is looking most suspicious to me, for several reasons:

First, I think there were probably wolves in both bandwaggons yesterday (Eomer and Oddwen). One in the former, and two in the latter. Looked at that way, the people who look most suspicious in my mind are Lalaith and Eomer, and I think that only one is a wolf.

Lalaith has been going SO gung-ho against Eomer for days now. When we are this close to the wire, we really need to think things out and discuss them. One wrong step today loses us the game...we need to think out our candidates and see multiple possibilities. She's been the first vote cast two days in a row, and we know she's no seer to have this kind of certainty. She's also been interpreting every little phrase of Eomer's using very emotionally charged words: gloating, etc. I also don't think her argument about the Hunter defending Eomer holds water: All Gurthang's gifteds were in his family, and with Morm as a wolf, I don't think it's at all unlikely that was noticed and acted upon.

I'm really seeing Lalaith as a more probable wolf. Eomer's posts have just felt more and more frustrated to me, which makes a lot of sense if someone is wildly and consistently accusing you, and then using your every defense to bolster their "case". He's just feeling more innocent each day.

I'm going to pause and think a bit, and vote at the latest tomorrow morning, depending on how what's left of tonight goes.

[Diamond18]

Diamond, I highly doubt they're both wolves. Why would they set themselves up that way when all they need is one innocent kill? One of them is, definitely, but not both.

Well, here's my logic, such as it is:

The wolves can afford to lose one, at this point. Lalaith and Eomer have lately been gaining lost of suspicion, so it's likely one or the other will die. Instead of trying to fight this, they have embraced it and decided that if one must die they will at least make it look very good for the other. Tomorrow the survivor of this little game will then use his/her increased trustworthiness (in collusion with the third wolf) to rather effortlessly direct the village onto an innocent, ending the game. It's a more reliable tactic for an Eomer/Lalaith duo than trying to keep both of themselves alive. Fear of this one small failure could be shooting themselves in the foot, so they are meeting it head on, going at each others' throats.

I don't know any of this for sure, but it's what entered my head when I read their opening posts.

Lalaith, I'm sure you all know by now, is someone I do not feel comfortable leaving alive.

As for Aimé, yesterday I felt pretty confident in my guess that he's innocent -- but Oddwen's innocent death has somewhat shaken that. We all make mistakes, and I too voted for Oddwen, but he seemed to have instigated the lynching. Which worries me. Also, in his argument against Lalaith today he used the phrase "so sweet and innocent" which is the words I used to describe her earlier... and this coupled with my earlier declaration of trust in him makes me wonder if he's trying to take advantage of my earlier thinking him innocent. Perhaps I am a villager he thinks to use as his puppet. This could be true whether or not Lalaith is a fellow wolf. At any rate, I highly dislike the idea of being made someone's patsy so.... Perhaps I just find it odd that he's now expressing many of the same opinions about Lalaith as I did earlier, and claiming to have felt so all along, when I don't remember him being particularly anti-Lalaith before. (Perhaps I need to go back and read his posts more closely.)

But I do not want to abandon my pursuit of Lalaith and turn on Eomer so quickly -- that would be ignoring instincts in the light of a little new confusion, and somehow it seems to me that abandoning instinct is the worst thing to do. If my instinct leads me foul, at least I can live with that, if I ignore my instinct and it proved to be true, then I'll be kicking myself all up and down the forum.

[Lalaith]

As luck would have it, I was able to get on again this morning before I leave.
I voted right out because
a. I didn't think I'd get another chance (see T-i-G thread)
b. we HAVE to get this right today, and I didn't want the wolves to start yet another fruitless bandwaggon.
The wolves can afford to lose one, at this point. Lalaith and Eomer have lately been gaining lost of suspicion, so it's likely one or the other will die. Instead of trying to fight this, they have embraced it and decided that if one must die they will at least make it look very good for the other
This just doesn't stand up, Di. The wolves will win today, in all likelihood. If an innocent is lynched today, we will be down to four/three. The wolves kill another toNIght, and bingo, wolf victory.
Why on earth would the EW pick me to be a wolf?
Because she had a LOT of picks, and you'd survived a long time already when she picked you. I'm not saying she would have picked you right off, I think you were turned quite near the end.

I haven't been going for Eomer for "days." Just yesterDay and today, and I think The reason I'm gung-ho, btw, is because someone has to be. I get the feeling that there have been very few active innocents left in the last few days.

And btw, innocents - statistically, it is very likely that at least one wolf is disagreeing with me right now about Eomer.

Think about that. And think about who was saved by the Sleepy bandwaggon, and who was saved by the Oddwen bandwaggon.
I'm going now, and won't back until sometime late on the next Day, in the unlikely event that we are all here.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I agree with Jenny that "frustrated" posts can convey innocence...the situation you set up with Lalaith consistantly attacking Eomer is one that I'm going to have to review that thread to look into. If that's the case, Eomer, I certainly feel your pain. If this is the case, it makes Eomer look very innocent, and I doubt it's a good wolf plan to constantly attack another wolf, as it's one that could easily backfire.

Lalaith's last post does bear some consideration. If we don't lynch a werewolf toDay, we will lose. So it's a high-pressure situation.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to vanish in about three hours, and probably won't be back until the next Day (if there is one). So I'm going to review the thread, do some careful consideration, and wait and see what happens.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Right, hold on just a moment.

First of all, in defence of Lalaith's tactics, I wouldn't say she's been going after me like crazy; but I do think she's being rather narrow-minded and stuck in her ways.

Second, Diamond, I didn't even look at your posts about Lalaith when making my first post today. I knew you were the one villager to really suspect Lalaith but the only point I remembered you making was that Lalaith posts a lot without ever really saying much.

I will post again in a few minutes to show that I am not hopping on any bandwagon. Diamond, you may be the original Lalaith-accuser but you haven't voted for her for a couple of days now. I hardly think that's bandwagon-jumping. I'm not accusing Lalaith of bandwagoning me due to the votes I received earlier in the game, am I?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, that didn't take long. My second post of the game (#80) includes my first direct suspicion.

"If I were a wizard, of any persuasion, I would have chosen Lalaith."

And I repeat it later that day in #151. As you can see, Diamond, while I may never have been as anti-Lalaith as you (and why should I have been with less evidence back in those days?) I have always suspected that she would be cursed by the EW. As I kept saying back in those early days — and why so many of you thought I was the EW because of this I don't know — were I the Evil Wizard, Lalaith would have been the first villager I would have cursed. So even though I think she is instilled with evil, you can see how much of a compliment that is.

Diamond, looking back I see that you called Lalaith 'pleasant and innocent' in #879 (not 'sweet and innocent', which to be honest, are words I use to describe pretty much any female), and I also saw your case against her when voting for her in #922. It doesn't really come that close to what I said about Lalaith earlier today. Could you maybe clarify where my points are similar to yours?

[JennyHallu]

I've thought about it, slept on it (well the mattress anyway but I did) and I really see Lalaith as the most likely wolf out of these two. I really hope I'm right, because I want to have at least a chance for us to win this...

And as soon as I wake my husband up I plan to have a really busy day, so i'm voting now.

++Lalaith

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Eomer's last two posts have pretty much convinced me of his innocence. He's reasonable, smart, and I agree with him--he's not hopping on any bandwaggon by voting for Lalaith...merely following through on a long-standing suspicion. In general, I only see a bandwaggon as happening when someone already has at least three votes to their name.

Because I believe now that Eomer is innocent, I'm going to vote for

++Lalaith

Because I am pretty much positive that one of the Eomer-Lalaith pair is a wolf. And because I'm pretty much positive that Eomer is the innocent one...Either that or they're both wolves and they're pulling a remarkable stunt that shouldn't be able to fly, but somehow is...But I doubt that very much.

I know that wolfing times are very foggy, but I feel like Eomer was under a lot of scrutiny from Morm early on, until he switched to an easier target (namely, me). Of course, Morm may not have yet been a wolf, but who knows. I'm just trying to say that my gut says Eomer is innocent and to watch out for Lalaith.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Oh, and if we all wake up dead toMorrow, It's been real fun, hanging out (no pun intended) in Sealville with all of you. I hope we catch a wolf toDay, because I'd really like to see this played out to its fullest potential...and because I'll have more time to participate toMorrow. :p

Cheers, all!

Your friendly neighborhood Zalia.

[Kitanna]

Jenny=
First, I think there were probably wolves in both bandwaggons yesterday (Eomer and Oddwen). One in the former, and two in the latter. Looked at that way, the people who look most suspicious in my mind are Lalaith and Eomer, and I think that only one is a wolf.
Jenny, you read my mind. I was thinking that same thing, though for the Oddwen bandwagon Diamond's vote placement seems the most suspicious, but I'm pretty convinced Diamond is not guilty. So Eomer would be my second choice in that.
I agree Lalaith is probably the wolf in the Eomer bandwagon. One reason is I still think Roa was getting (or trying in Gurthang's family) a wolf from each family line that was not her own. And I was wrong about Oddwen and that leaves Lalaith because she is the only other member of that family.

Also Lalaith's first few posts have me a bit worried.
Lalaith=
Look at him yesterday. Gloating about Glirdan and Zali being away.
And this.
Quote:
I too would vote for me if I was in your shoes
I remember Eomer's post when he mentioned Zali and Glirdan being gone and I don't think that counts as gloating. He was stating a sad fact that we were going to be out two votes for the day.

I'm not sure what Lalaith is trying to prove with that quote from Eomer voting for himself had he been "in their shoes." I see what he's saying and he knows he looks suspicious and he's not hiding the fact many think he's a wolf at this point. But what exactly is Lalaith trying to get us to see?

Diamond=Why do I suddenly get the feeling that both Lal and Eomer are wovles?
I'm not so sure that's true. One is a wolf for sure, but not both. If this was happening earlier in the game I would say both could be wolves, but not now. Not with precious few days left.

Zali=
I know that wolfing times are very foggy, but I feel like Eomer was under a lot of scrutiny from Morm early on, until he switched to an easier target (namely, me).
That's actually a very good point. I still find it highly likely Morm attacked Eomer until he guessed Eomer might be a wolf as well. But I've seen Morm's wolven ancestors just switch targets from one innocent to another just because one seem like a better lynch target.

Lalaith=
Quote:
Why on earth would the EW pick me to be a wolf?
Because she had a LOT of picks, and you'd survived a long time already when she picked you. I'm not saying she would have picked you right off, I think you were turned quite near the end.
Eomer went through a heavy bout of suspicion and it was to be expected, I mean, it's Eomer and all. So that makes him a really terrible first choice.
So this is what I think:
Loki we know was one of the first wolves, Naria was probably a Night One wolf as well and I think Nogrod was the other one.
So the next night Alcarillo was cursed
Then on Night Three or possibly Four Valier was cursed
And then Morm was picked as the final wolf for Night Six

Now if Eomer was to be picked it would be guessed he was put chosen on Night Four or Five. I'd say if Lalaith was picked she's be picked early on, maybe Night Three.
By Night Four Eomer had gotten through a lot of suspicion already and he was still smelling like roses, so Roa saw many had abandoned the Bluffer King as a suspect and so she decided to make all their suspicions true.
As for Lalaith, she would have established early on that she was not a usual suspect for most people and that she was generally considered innocent. Roa sees Lalaith as she flies under the radar for the first few days, adding thoughtful posts to the village and gaining a lot of credit amoung the villagers. Roa seizes the opportunity and curses Lalaith early knowing that if she is lynched she will most likely be lynched later on when there are plenty of wolves hanging around still.

Jenny=
Eomer's posts have just felt more and more frustrated to me, which makes a lot of sense if someone is wildly and consistently accusing you, and then using your every defense to bolster their "case". He's just feeling more innocent each day.
I'd be really worried if Eomer wasn't frustrated. He's in a tough spot, sitting on the fence, knowing that this could be his last day, and Lalaith seems to be trying to instill fear in all of us so we push Eomer off the fence. So, he has every right to be frustrated and I know a lot of us would be acting like him if we were in this situation. If Eomer was acting all calm about this and completely dismissing Lalaith's suspicions I'd be really worried and would not hesitate to vote for him. But his increasing frustrated posts speak well of him.

So, this is going to be my only post for the day, unless by some weird accident I'm home before Day ends. Given what I've seen today and knowing either Lalaith is guilty or Eomer is, I'm going to vote

++ Lalaith

She seems to be fishing the bottom of the barrel today to find things to convict Eomer of and her reasons from yesterday were not . That worries me. Also I mentioned yesterday I didn't like Lalaith using the Caran protecting him and him still being alive thing as evidence. I think it could have been a set-up by the remaining wolves and the fact Lalaith brought it up makes me think it was a set-up and she just wants to get the village to lynch the innocent Eomer. And finally it's been said before, but Lalaith would have been an excellent wolf choice from the beginning. Her ability to fly under the radar for so long is uncanny and pretty disturbing.

[JennyHallu]

So that's four votes, right? And there are only eight villagers today and no double lynches...so Lalaith is definitely our lynchee today. Great. I feel really confident that's the right decision.

[JennyHallu]

Oh and...

*Woof*

[littlemanpoet]

This Day is over and shortened.

No more votes are necessary.

Lalaith will be lynched.

The narrative will wait until later.

The Werewolves will inform me of their final kill.

Regardless, I declare this game finished.

WEREWOLVES WIN!

Congratulations to werewolves Eomer, Kitanna, and Jenny for a superbly played final couple of days.

Congratulations especially to Roa for an amazing job as evil wizard. I can't think of a single mistake made.

[Diamond18]

What, I don't get to reply to anything, I don't get to vote, the game is just over? 5 hours early!? Bah. :p

[Glirdan]

Curses!! I knew it all along!!! And that's why we lynch Eomer ealier in the game. :rolleyes:

[Diamond18]

Yeah, well, curse my habit of sleeping during the day. :p I got up, read all these posts, and just about screamed when I saw everyone voting for Lalaith. No one ever paid attention to my suspicions against her earlier, but the minute Eomer goes after her an instant bandwaggon forms? Evil, evil, bad things going on. I should have reacted quicker last night to Jenny's defense of Eomer... it was horribly fishy but did Diamond figure it out then, noooo. Not until Kitanna started jumping on board too, but of course by then it was too late.

Actually, what I should have done was try to kill Eomer as messily as possible the instant he said he thought I was innocent. I didn't find it wrong enough because I was innocent. But anyone with half a brain should have been going, "How is he so sure I'm innocent? I'm the only one who besides the wolves who actually knows this." :rolleyes:

[Firefoot]

Actually, what I should have done was try to kill Eomer as messily as possible the instant he said he thought I was innocent. I didn't find it wrong enough because I was innocent. But anyone with half a brain should have been going, "How is he so sure I'm innocent? I'm the only one who besides the wolves who actually knows this." Yeah, that happens to me a lot...

I told you all to kill Eomer... so maybe he wasn't the EW, but you still should have killed him. :p

[Glirdan]

Of coures you were right Firefoot. I don't know why I didn't see things earlier. Mind you, he was bugging me for sometime after I came back last week. There was just something not right. I thought that by now he would have been dead, but noooo.

[mormegil]

For those wondering I have been evil since the second day. I was the first wolf selected after the three. And you thought I was only converted the last night! :p What a great game. I have more to say later but it was great working with Roa, I knew her identity, I believe I was the only one. I wish I had made it victoriously to the end but well done Jenny my Daughter, Eomer my nemisis and Kitanna my friend.

Spawn a well chosen kill. She did chose me even though I would have died anyway.

[Diamond18]

I've been conditioned over my past three games (not to mention Roa's shenaigans in this one) for the bad'uns to attack me and try to get me lynched. I always knew there's the possibility of them trying to get on my good side, but I didn't see it until too late.

Actually, if I'm being totally honest, this is what made me suspicious of Eomer, more so than the Oddwen vote and the Lalaith attack:


"Diamond is innocent," Eomer declared.

...

"I think Eomer's innocent," Diamond said, batting her eyelashes at him gratefully. Then resuming her twenty-years-his-senior dignity she said, "Ergo, I don't want him to die. I vote Oddwen."

Paul, Paul, Paulio -- I knew we weren't supposed to be looking for hints in the narrative, and this wasn't intentional I am sure -- but when I read this I couldn't shake the thought from my mind that maybe I was supposed to be grateful to Eomer and lay off him because he'd voiced confidence in my innocence. Especially since I'd never mentioned being grateful in my posts, but this grateful attitude somehow appeared in your portrayal of my vote in the narration. That really wasn't it -- I just have not played with Eomer before and way underestimated his talent for feeling fair and being foul. Lalaith kept saying it but my mind was clouded with my own suspicions of her, so I kept doubting everything she said, even when it made sense. :rolleyes: Sorry, Lal.

I also kept trying to put the narration out of my mind. Even if it was a slip on LMP's part it didn't seem quite fair to be using that. So I avoided mentioning it in my post where I voiced suspicions about being used as a puppet, and kept trying to talk myself out of thinking that way. Well, from now on I will fully take advantage of such slips, and I don't care if the mod doesn't like it. :p :p

Grr. Anyway, I'm still kicking myself and obsessing over this because I saw it all so clearly reading the posts today, then just as it all came together in my head, everyone was voting for Lalaith and LMP declared the game over and I didn't even get a chance to do anything. Argh. (Not that it would have mattered, Zali's vote was the one innocent they needed and without Fea around there was no one else to vote for Eomer, but still.)