T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[A Little Green]

(Analysis on Menel, my comments in italics.)

DAY 1

- In-character jokes, jesting about his tendency to get lynched early, Frodo should reveal but not on Day 1 or 2, Ferny = someone gathering information but not letting us in on it

- Aganzir not suspicious, agrees with her that Frodo should not be our primary concern, Mac ”a major puzzle”

- Not voting Nog, Agan or Brinn because they make sense, votes Mac with this:Macalaure may be stumbling over the fact that he's a wraith and can't twist the villagers' words into anything suspicious, as his last list gives mostly "innocent" and "no clue".You'll see later why I posted the quote.

DAY 2

- Still suspecting Mac because of his ongoing suspicion of Gollum. Says that the seer should not be openly discussed because it endangers him/her even though it also might help to protect him/her.

- Says that if Fea was suggesting lynching Mac he'd be in for it.

- Clarifies his suspicion of Mac, saying that he was suspicious of him because Mac suspected Gollum throughout Day1 and not only in the end.
Wait... He said earlier he suspected Mac because of Gollum's lynch, but if Mac had indeed suspected him for the whole Day it shouldn't be surprising he wants him lynched.

- Has been checking out Aganzir because wants to focus on others than Mac, says she appears innocent but doesn't have much ideas on what to do and concentrates a lot on Nog. Says that a lack of suggestions should not define one as a wraith since he has no idea what to look for. Speculates that either Rikae or Mac might be a wraith since they are confusing the village. Votes Mac.
This post is one of the most eyebrow-raising ones I found. First of all, if (at least on Day 1) Agan was one of the three people he didn't suspect then why did he choose to check her and not someone else? That thing about lack of suggestions not being a sign of wraithism is also weird since he voted Mac on Day one for exactly that...

- Answers to why he keeps suspecting Mac: Actually, it's not about revenge, craziness, being a wraith, or anything else, Mac. It's just that I really have no idea what to do, found a few odd things in your posts, and can't figure out anything else.

I'm sorry, really.

DAY 3

- Says Fea is hovering between helpful and mysterious, was strange on Day 1 because she said she'd look at Sally but looked at Brinn instead and suspected her with no reason. Says Fea's role in the Dury bandwagon was suspicious because it came out of nowhere and led to an innocent dying. Says he is wary of Fea.

- A sort of list. Not suspicious: Agan, Brinn and Legate, Suspicious: Mac (Ferny comment, Gollum's lynch) and Fea (reasons that are obvious for everyone), Rikae to a lesser extent (seer things), can't decide between Mac and Fea.
I am bothered by how easy his suspicions and also his non-suspicions are.

- Rolls the dice to decide between Mac and Fea, votes Mac.
Note: he votes Mac for the third time in a row.

DAY 4

- Reaction to Lommy and Brinn's reveals: A sneaky one you are, Lommy. And Brinn, I always figured you were on our side.
Well, Sally is evil, we can all agree on that. And by tomorrow we'll know another person's role. I'd suggest looking at Mac during the next Night phase, but that's just me.Lists everyone except Brinn, Lommy, Sally and himself as possible wraiths. Votes Sally.
First of all, maybe it's because Brinn was a wolf but I don't like how he believes Brinn and not Lommy. I'd understand it if he said "I don't know who to believe, I'm more inclined to believe Brinn" or something like that, but it looks like he's dead certain Brinn tells the truth.

One thing I'm wondering about: If Brinn is a wraith, which I definitely consider possible, why does she also mention Sally as a wraith? And why would a Lommywraith point the finger at her fellow wraith Sally if she wants to sow confusion?

This whole thing just seems wrong.And now he considers it possible that Brinn is a wraith, when in the post before this he is so certain of Brinn being the real seer?

- After the general consensus, so to speak, had all but decided that Brinn would be a better lynch candidate than Sally:I'll let my Sally vote stand for now, as I can be reasonably sure she's a wraith. This seer business should clear itself up soon enough when we see who the wolves try to kill.Says that the only one who really has to worry about the seer's identity at this point is the ranger.
His insistence of voting Sally instead of Brinn is weird. It could be a wolf trying to save the one of his fellows who might still stand a chance of survival.

DAY 5

Says he'll be busy today. Votes Sally.


CONCLUSIONS?

Menel has done some eyebrow-rising stuff (eg. his suspecting Mac so persistently with the reasons changing along the way, and also his reactions to the seer reveals, the way he keeps talking only about a small number of people, and flying under the general radar (of which we others may be to blame more than he is)). I'm glad I checked him. He seems somewhat suspicious on the basis of what I have read, and I'll be having a much tighter eye on him from now on. He's easy to let slip by unnoticed since he mostly posts relatively short posts every now and then, but I at least won't be doing than anymore.

[satansaloser2005]

NEW MEMBER:
Good Morning.
SALLY:
Good Morning, sir. Welcome to the Barrow-Downs.
NEW MEMBER:
Ah, thank you my good lass.
SALLY:
What can I do for you, sir?
NEW MEMBER:
Well, I was, uh, sitting in the public library on New Row just now, skimming through “The Shibboleth of Feanor” by our dear Professor, and I suddenly came over all cutthroat.
SALLY:
Cutthroat, sir?
NEW MEMBER:
Belligerent.
SALLY:
Eh?
NEW MEMBER:
(In a broad Yorkshire accent) Eee I were all bloodthirsty, like.
SALLY:
Ah, bloodthirsty.
NEW MEMBER:
In a nutshell. And I thought to myself, 'a little strategic game will do the trick'. So I curtailed my Tolkienian activites, sallied forth, and infiltrated your place of recreation to negotiate the lynching of some hapless denizen.
SALLY:
Come again?
NEW MEMBER:
I want to play Werewolf.
SALLY:
Oh, I thought you were complaining about the duck in the corner there.
NEW MEMBER:
Oh, heaven forbid. I am one who delights in all manifestations of the Anatid Family.
SALLY:
Sorry?
NEW MEMBER:
(In a broad Yorkshire accent) Ooo, I like a nice duckie.
SALLY:
So she can go on quacking, can she?
NEW MEMBER:
Most certainly. Now then, some candidates please, my good man.
SALLY:
Certainly, sir. Whom would you like to vote for?
NEW MEMBER:
Well, eh, how about a little Thinlomien?
SALLY:
I'm afraid we're fresh out of Lommy, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Oh never mind, how are you on Fea?
SALLY:
I'm afraid we never have her at the end of the week, sir. We lynch her fresh on Monday.
NEW MEMBER:
Tish tish. No matter. Well, stout yeoman, one vote for mormegil, if you please.
SALLY:
Ah. He's been on order, sir, for two weeks. I was expecting him this morning.
NEW MEMBER:
It's not my lucky day, is it? Er, Cailin?
SALLY:
Sorry, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Eomer?
SALLY:
Normally, sir, yes. Today the van broke down.
NEW MEMBER:
Ah. Mithalwen?
SALLY:
Sorry.
NEW MEMBER:
Rikae? Macalaure?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Any Finnish Noggie, per chance?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Thenamir?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Holbytlass?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Fordim Hedgethistle?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Danish Rune?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
littlemanpoet?
SALLY:
..... No.
NEW MEMBER:
the guy who be short?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
The Saucepan Man?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
alatar, Legate, Morthoron, William Cloud Hickli(n), Sauron the White, wilwarin, davem, Lalwende, Hookbill?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
The Barrow Wight, perhaps?
SALLY:
Ah! We have The Barrow Wight, yes sir.
NEW MEMBER:
You do! Excellent.
SALLY:
Yes, sir. He’s, ah ..... he's a bit invisible.
NEW MEMBER:
Oh, I like them invisible.
SALLY:
Well, he's very invisible, actually, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
No matter. Fetch hither le mod of this great site! M-mmm!
SALLY:
I think he's a bit more invisible than you'll like, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
I don't care how invisible he is. Hand him over with all speed.
SALLY:
Oh .....
NEW MEMBER:
What now?
SALLY:
The duck's eaten him.
NEW MEMBER:
Has he?
SALLY:
She, sir.

(pause)
NEW MEMBER:
Diamond18?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Roa_Aoife?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Durelin?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
piosenniel?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Nilpaurion Felagund?
SALLY:
No, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
You do have some villagers, do you?
SALLY:
Of course, sir. It's a discussion forum, sir. We've got .....
NEW MEMBER:
No, no, don't tell me. I'm keen to guess.
SALLY:
Fair enough.
NEW MEMBER:
Er, sally?
SALLY:
Yes?
NEW MEMBER:
Ah, well, I'll cast a vote for her.
SALLY:
Oh, I thought you were talking to me, sir. Miss sally, that's my name.

(pause)
NEW MEMBER:
lindil?
SALLY:
Ah, not as such.
NEW MEMBER:
Er, Bethberry?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Sharku?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Squatter of Amon Rudh?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
burrahobbit?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Folwren?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
Ibrinidhilpathanazel?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
legolasluvvver_13_andahalf?.
SALLY:
Not today, sir, no.

(pause)
NEW MEMBER:
Ah, how about phantom?
SALLY:
Well, we don't get much call for him around here, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Not much ca- He's the single most popular member in the world!
SALLY:
Not round here, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
And who is the most popular member round here?
SALLY:
Alien, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Is he.
SALLY:
Oh yes, sir. He’s staggeringly popular in this manor, squire.
NEW MEMBER:
Is he.
SALLY:
He's our number-one top rep-ee, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
I see. Ah, Alien, eh?
SALLY:
Right, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
All right. Okay. Have you got him, he asked, expecting the answer no?
SALLY:
I'll have a look, sir ..... nnnnnnooooooooo.
NEW MEMBER:
It's not much of a Werewolf game, is it?
SALLY:
Finest in the district, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please.
SALLY:
Well, it's so clean, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
It's certainly uncontaminated by villagers.
SALLY:
You haven't asked me about Boromir88, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Is it worth it?
SALLY:
Could be.
NEW MEMBER:
Have you- SHUT THAT BLOODY DUCK UP!
SALLY:
(To Emily) Told you so.
NEW MEMBER:
Have you got Boromir88?
SALLY:
No.
NEW MEMBER:
That figures. Predictable really, I suppose. It was an act of purest optimism to have posed the question in the first place. Tell me:
SALLY:
Yes, sir?
NEW MEMBER:
Have you in fact got any villagers here at all?
SALLY:
Yes, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Really?

(pause)
SALLY:
No. Not really, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
You haven't.
SALLY:
No, sir, not a scrap. I was deliberately wasting your time, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
Well, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to shoot you.
SALLY:
Right-O, sir.
NEW MEMBER:
(Shoots her) What a senseless waste of human life.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

if he is Ferny, the wraiths almost certainly know it (remember his "send own name on night 2" business?) and won't kill him. If he isn't dead soon, (soon enough that we avoid the risk of an evil vote from him ruining everything for the village) he needs to go.
I thought about that too yesterday, but found it better not to mention it as I thought the wraiths could force us to lynch a known innocent by just leaving him alive even if he is not the cobbler.
Eexactly. I was thinking just the same. Okay, but let me say it aloud when it's been said already. I would have said more, but of course one cannot say it now, because if something happened later it might be influenced by that and what... okay, forget it. What I want to say now: in my opinion, sometimes it looks like Mr. Mac is a Cobbler, but then, it may be that he is not and I cannot really say one or the other. In either case, even if it came to that, I suggest we leave any lynching him or such only for very late, as much late as possible, or not at all - because he (or now we can speak in any Cobbler in general) still counts as an Ordo, and unless he knows more than we do, he should not be that great threat until really very late. The fact is just that we have one Cobbler here, and should count on it when voting. Thus, voting with as much care as we can.

But at least for a few days, I think... Mac will likely be targeted and possibly killed. I think we can guess about Cobblers everywhere, but a given innocent is a given innocent, he narrows our choices on who the Wolves might be.

It is just too obvious what Frodo had to do yesterDay and toDay. Unless he was foolish, he did not question Lommy's claim and went with Brinn or Sally instantly (could have actually voted later, of course). ToDay, it's voting Sally and looking decently helpful (or having an excuse not to be). ToMorrow, two days will have passed since his switch, and with everything that will have happened in between, you can pretty much innocentish-lookingly justify any change in opinion. A change in behaviour is really all we can look for, unless Frodo made a mistake, but changes in behaviour are difficult to detect and it's easy to accidentally lynch an innocent for it.

Yes, exactly. However, let us bear in mind that even switching your role can kind of change your mentality, even subconsciously. You start to behave differently. You have to react to people. What better, you have to interact in a certain way with your fellow Wolf (like, writing if you find him suspicious or not or whatever). For this reason, I strongly suggest that everybody states his opinion on all people, publicly, so that we may guess something from it. It's easier to catch a Frodo with unsincere behavior in his posts about people.

And he won't have to be unsincere just about his companion, but about all of us, of course - as he will know that we all are innocent, but an ordo of course would not be sure.

[Mirandir]

Looks like toDay's lynch won't be of much debate...Oh well. I do highly enjoy having sally around for entertainment's sake (the Be Prepared parody pretty much made my day), but alas it is time for the wraith to go. :(

++sally

EDIT: Oh my. I just realized how suspicious being sad about lynching wraith looks. Keep in mind that it's not because she's a wraith, but rather a source of entertainment (after all, were else would we get such scintillating literary wonders as "10001 ways to kill Sally, part the first" and the like?) Consider it amusement for a very bored and very tired library employee with no motivation to do actual work. :p

[Mirandir]

And he won't have to be unsincere just about his companion, but about all of us, of course - as he will know that we all are innocent, but an ordo of course would not be sure.

Huh? I was with you up until this point. That could just be because I'm ridiculously tired at the moment, but could you explain please? Sorry to be a pain. :(

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

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Legate of Amon Lanc: I have very hard time picturing Legate as a wraith
Rikae : What pussles me about Rikae is her case against Fea, it would be very daring of a wraith to go so determently after a singly person, but Rikae is a very bold woman who can twist many situations to her advantage.
Aganzir: As I said before she seems very reasonable and innocent. . . last time I played with her I found her very annoying and slightly suspicous and she turned out innocent. hmmm. . . I am hoping that it is because her style changes from game to game.
Beregond : Beregond is one of those people that I just don't notice, I cannot remember one single post he has made. . .Obviously this is not his fault, it is probably me who should focus more broadly.
Nerwen : I always feel a bit uneasy about her, she always seems sneaky. . .but I have nothing on her right now.
Macalaure: The only person I really had a case against and felt was most likely a wraith. Just my luck that he should turn out to be innocent, I could see him as the cobbler though. . .but the cobbler is not a person we should hunt, lets hobe the wraiths take care of their helper by mistake.
Meneltarmacil: As i said just before, he is playing more or less like I remember him playing in earlier games, but I have to admit that Little Green do have a few points in her accusations against him.
A Little Green: I am constantly flip floping between finding her posts very innocent looking and finding them slightly wraithish, I really can't tell.
Lariren Shadow - The same as little green
Mirandir - The same as Little Green

So the conclusion must be that Legate, Mac and Aganzir are not people I consider lynch candidates at the moment.

EDIT: Cross posted with Legate and Mirandir

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I know I have promised to look deeper at some other posts, but alas, I was distracted by other matters, so I cannot give you any lengthy analyses, as I hoped. But for now, at least when it comes to people:

The list didn't change much since yesterDay (not that there was much to go with):

I trust:
A Little Green - her posting seems really sincere, I can't say much more to that.

I tend to trust:
Aganzir - more or less, she is not doing anything suspicious. I know, I know. She is always looking innocent.

Macalaure - is a known innocent. Enough for us. He is not a Wraith.

Rikae - is behaving so innocently, and sometimes so much anti-Macalaure and such... that it makes me wonder a bit... though for now... I hope that further days will clear things up (or not)

I tend to have no idea:

Nerwen - I was just wondering if she cannot be a sneaky Wolf, a bit flying (Wolf? FLYING? No, wait - that's a wraith. What? Wraith? FLYING? THE NAZGUL HAVE CROSSED THE RIVER!
RIDE, RIDE! WAIT NOT FOR THE DAWN! LET NOT THE SWIFT WAIT FOR THE SLOW! RIDE!!!) under the radar, but heck, she seems genuine, her posting seems genuine... err, whatever. In fact, I tend to trust her more than let's say Rikae... Rikae I trust more on the rational basis, for what she does (although lately...), that she says sensible things... Nerwen... oh well.

I have no idea:

Lariren Shadow
Mirandir

I wonder about:

Beregond - he seems like an innocent newbie. But like I said, sometimes it looks like it could be a Wolf newbie. Well, as with everybody else - and here with double importance - I want to see what is his posting going to be like toMorrow and further.

Rune Son of Bjarne - sometimes he looks okay, sometimes with a question mark of wolfishness - I would like to see what it is going to be like in the future.

Meneltarmacil - after reading Greenie's analysis I need to look at him in particular once again myself, but my general impression of him was rather innocent. True, I should perhaps reevaluate. From Greenie's post, though, it occured to me - isn't it rather possible for him being the Cobbler?

EDIT: x-ed since first Mira and with Rune

[satansaloser2005]

EDIT: Oh my. I just realized how suspicious being sad about lynching wraith looks. Keep in mind that it's not because she's a wraith, but rather a source of entertainment (after all, were else would we get such scintillating literary wonders as "10001 ways to kill Sally, part the first" and the like?) Consider it amusement for a very bored and very tired library employee with no motivation to do actual work. :p

YES! MY Plan IS SUCCEEDING!

*realizes village is still going to lynch her*

...What? How dare you question the cunningness of my cunning plan???

[Rikae]

I thought about that too yesterday, but found it better not to mention it as I thought the wraiths could force us to lynch a known innocent by just leaving him alive even if he is not the cobbler.


In my research, I just came across something that makes me more sure we needn't worry about that:

“Now while Mac was trying to save himself, upon looking it over again I think it was more of an innocent Mac trying to save himself while the wraiths took advantage of it.” - Sally, Day 2 (after voting Mac on Day 1)

She goes on defending him after that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Looks like toDay's lynch won't be of much debate...Oh well. I do highly enjoy having sally around for entertainment's sake (the Be Prepared parody pretty much made my day), but alas it is time for the wraith to go. :(

++sally

EDIT: Oh my. I just realized how suspicious being sad about lynching wraith looks. Keep in mind that it's not because she's a wraith, but rather a source of entertainment (after all, were else would we get such scintillating literary wonders as "10001 ways to kill Sally, part the first" and the like?) Consider it amusement for a very bored and very tired library employee with no motivation to do actual work. :p
I am quoting the whole post, as in this context the "edit" part looks quite innocentish. Even a newbie wraith (or recently turned Mr. Baggins), I believe, won't be as careless to say something like that?

Huh? I was with you up until this point. That could just be because I'm ridiculously tired at the moment, but could you explain please? Sorry to be a pain.
Well, it's simple. The Wraith is pretending to be an innocent. But he differs from the innocents in two aspects: a) he knows who the Wraiths are, so when writing about a Wraith, he does not have the innocent's point of view: he knows he is writing about a Wraith. And likewise, b) he knows who the Innocents are, too: so even when writing about an Innocent, he does not have a true Innocent's point of view. This is what can be noticed on his posts. Understood now?

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Yea, hopefully it will.

Rikae : What pussles me about Rikae is her case against Fea, it would be very daring of a wraith to go so determently after a singly person, but Rikae is a very bold woman who can twist many situations to her advantage.
Now that you mention it... I wonder if it is possible that Rikae-wolf would have picked a "right horse" in seeing the general meaning likely to be aroused against Fea (or even Mac, for that matter, there was something similar going on)... in the sense, you know, that it was not just her who was going after her, there was also me who had said something like that even as early as Day 1 (that she could be a Cobbler or something), then Rikae sort of supported that... perhaps she as a Wolf could have hoped that I (I am saying that with all modesty) could be influential enough to make people follow my meaning (supported by hers) and make more people join the cause? Of course, it was not just me, but also others... but in general: if she could have picked upon these people, and lead the lynching mob against an Innocent, so to say? I really wonder... That is some food for thought, at least.

(EDIT: x-ed with Rikae)

...or perhaps I am just getting paranoid ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I
Yea, hopefully it will.

oh ups. . . I could not figure out how to word that line. so I waited till I had written the rest of the post and then I forgot all about finnishing that line.

[Aganzir]

#678, however, could be interpreted as a slip.
Why?

First of all, if (at least on Day 1) Agan was one of the three people he didn't suspect then why did he choose to check her and not someone else?
Because I'm so pretty. :cool:

I don't know what to make of Greeny's case against Menel. The points against him are good, but then again I think he's quite an easy target. And he always appears a bit suspicious.

unless he knows more than we do, he should not be that great threat until really very late.
You're being optimistic. Not that we're in such a hurry to kill Ferny yet, but xe is a threat nonetheless.

For this reason, I strongly suggest that everybody states his opinion on all people
So this doesn't include me or any other girls?

**

I have way too many suspects. *is getting paranoid*

Guilty
sally. Bye bye darling. :p
Lari. I really don't know what to think. I'm rather sure she hasn't been a wolf from the beginning, but she could be Frodo. Her Mac slip is strange.
Mira. Because I don't want to forget all about her.
Mac. I can't help it but I still think he's the cobbler. It would at least explain some of his slips. Also... Go and see post #684 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=583520&postcount=684). It's interesting that the list includes everyone except Mac, and right there he states that on the list is one wolf and the RB. So where's Mr Ferny? ;)
Greenie. Her posts yesterday & today make me uneasy. I found her fairly innocent earlier but now she's creeping me out. She's my another RB candidate.

Innocent
Legate. He just seems generally innocent. Although I'm not so sure anymore because I quite disagree with his list in #757. Also, I don't like the way he says Ferny is not a threat. Okay he's here for now but I'm watching him.
Rikae. Seems generally innocent although I don't think I should trust her as much as I seem to do.
Berry. Hasn't done anything suspicious.

Neither
Nerwen. She's posted unusually little and hasn't left any clear impression.
Rune. Hasn't left any clear impression. I found him a bit suspicious earlier but don't know anymore.
Menel. Some of Greenie's points were good, but he just always seems to appear suspicious so I don't know, especially as I'm suspicious of Greenie herself.

[satansaloser2005]

Trouble at Bree

Kitanna: I’ve got bad news, village.

Village: Oh, no! What is it?

Kitanna: The Riders are attacking Hogwarts

Village: *gasp* What will we do?

Kitanna: I dunno.

Sally: Muahahahahahaha! Now Bree is mine!

Lommy: I am Butterbur, the village’s seer. I must stop it. *reveals Sally is a wraith*

Sally: Muahahahahahaha! EAT PIE!

Lommy: Aaaaaaaaaaah. *dies*

Greenie: Here she comes.

Beregond: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! *runs offstage*

Sally: It’s time to die. For you.

Menel: You can’t do this!

Sally: Oh, yes, I can! *draws blade*

Menel and Greenie: Wait!

Sally: What is it?

Menel and Greenie: *run away*

Sally: Hey! Blast!

Beregond: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! *runs back onstage* *pokes Sally* Bother. Whee! *runs back offstage*

Sally: Grr…

Greenie: What are we going to do?

Menel: There’s nothing we can do. We’re finished.

Beregond: Wait a minute! I’ve got a plan. *cue echo machine*

Sally: Oh, village? Where are you?

Menel (offstage): We’re over here.

Sally: Well, here I come.

Beregond: Wait. We’re a little more to the right.

Sally: Oh. Here?

Menel: Almost.

Greenie: That’s right.

Sally: I don’t see anybody here.

Beregond: Okay, ready? SHOOT HER!

*Villagers pull out AK-47’s and shoot Sally*

Village: YAAAAAAAY!!!

[Mirandir]

Understood now?

Yup! Thank you!

[Beregond]

Well, I figured I should check in. I didn't mean to miss out on today, but that's what happened. And I'm going out for a few hours tonight, but might be back before voting.

Nonetheless, although she's been very amusing (I am impressed by that sdrawkcab gnos!):

++Sally


Tomorrow/Sunday's vote will interesting. I hope to catch up tonight but no promises.

[satansaloser2005]

The monkey is in daycare. Repeat: the monkey is in daycare.

[Rikae]

Or, as a wolf, I could have just picked up on the fact that Fea did something outrageously suspicious, and gone after it forcefully because I had her suspicious behavior as a cover... and because I knew perfectly well people would say that a wolf wouldn't do that. I would have, probably. Wouldn't surprise me if a wolf-Legate would do the same. :p

[Rikae]

That last post was a reply to Legate, of course.
*goes back to working on masterpiece*

[satansaloser2005]

Shall I compare thee to a mindless herd?
Thou art more silly and more bandwagon.
For thou dost take the Seer upon her word,
And giveth no clues as to the next one.
Sometimes 'tis good to keep a wraith around,
And let her ludicrousness entertain,
For every ordo doth with angst abound,
Somebody's got to keep this village sane.
But thy eternal doom shall never fade,
Nor lose possession of those deaths thou ow'st.
Nor, when I turn from wraith to Evil Shade
Shall I stop haunting thee wheree'er thou goest.
So long as men can read and eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this brings death to thee.

[satansaloser2005]

Aloha, Sally, welcome to Bree! You are a chaotic hobbit tourist.

|-----------------|
|....h@h..............|
|....@@h.............|
|....hhh@............|
|-----------------|

You begin praying to Sauron. The Legate hits! The Legate bites! The Rikae swings her longsword. The Rikae hits! The Lari throws Sting at you! You are hit by Sting. You die...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So this doesn't include me or any other girls?
Nay, you see, in Czech, "everybody" is masculine noun, but you can use it as subsuming both genders. And in Finnish, you don't have genders there. So, you could have just translated it to your mothertongue and make nice lists and be silent ;)

Or, as a wolf, I could have just picked up on the fact that Fea did something outrageously suspicious, and gone after it forcefully because I had her suspicious behavior as a cover... and because I knew perfectly well people would say that a wolf wouldn't do that. I would have, probably. Wouldn't surprise me if a wolf-Legate would do the same. :p

Hmm, not sure. But well, you see, you might have done that. Just a reason to watch you.

[satansaloser2005]

There once was a wraithlet named Sally,
Who dreamt of, not dying, did dally.
She flooded the thread
With ways to be dead,
And madly sang, "Tra-la-la-lally!"

[Lariren Shadow]

Shasta had just said the baddies are under the influence of Fire and Sagittarius is a Fire sign. It looks awfully much like a hint, either to Ferny or the wraiths.

She suggested Frodo should reveal soonish so we could lynch xem. I still don't understand why Frodo should have been lynched if xe had revealed. It would have been a waste of both a lynch & a known innocent.

Or I could be alluding to something else there. And you're partially Sagittarius too. So are you partially evil?

I also I wanted to lynch Frodo the first Day so we didn't end up in a situation like this toDay. We have two know wolves, one dead one on her way to being lynched, and then two more. If we knew who Frodo was then either the Ranger could have protected or could have been lynched and then we could have only one wolf to find soon.


On day 1 Lari considered voting me ("she will never trust me again")

You admitted that yourself:Merisu:

So what reasons were you talking about, Lari?

And they were the ones listed. I got slammed last game for repeating what had been said so I was trying not to do the same thing. And I didn't mean to forget Brinn. To be quiet honest I think I just forgot when copying down names or accedentally deleted her name. I'm surprised no one picked up on that till yesterDay.


As for the Day 2 vote, I honestly flipped a coin because I had nothing more to go on. I had no idea that anyone else would follow me. I really honestly just made up a reason to try to justify my (again) throw away vote. It was the most creative thing I could come up with. I'm also rather sick of trying to defend the vote.



Also, Lari suggested me & Lommy's quarrel could be a way to cover our wolfishness. It wasn't, it's just us playing together (luckily our brawls never affect our RL relationship - we are friends again once we log out).

I realize, I also thought that it could be a good way for two wraiths/wolves to make sure that they were not associated with each other. To me, it seemed odd. Even with the explination.

In #563 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=583222&postcount=563) she listed who she could vote for - Fea, Rune, and Mac.

And take a good look at my reasons for Fea. And by the end of the Day Fea didn't seem guilty. Again, by her own admission and action before, she tends to give it all up when she is guilty. Like last game. She still maintained that she was innocent the whole time though. So I was trying to come up with someone else to vote for because I really didn't think she was guilty by then and, yes, at the beginning of the Day she did seem very guilty.


As for the lack of posts: I've had a lot of other work to do and have been tired. I really haven't had the energy/time to do more than skim. Yesterday I was pretty much either in class or at stupid convocation.

We know Mac is innocent because Lommy dreamed him innocent. That's what I meant.

Also, everyone seems to be saying I'm flip flopping. Maybe because its really hard playing an innocent.:(

EDIT: X-posted with Legate and Sally. And Miri is going to kill me for my hysterical laughing now.

[Lariren Shadow]

People keep talking about my "Mac slip". Can someone please point it out to me because I really don't actually know what it is.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally was a chemist's spawn,
But Sally is no more.
What Sally thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

[Lariren Shadow]

Was H2SO4

Sulfuric acid!

[satansaloser2005]

Sally: I want a sandwich. MUSTER THE NINE!

Khamul: YES, MA'AM!

Unidentified Female Wraith: *screams*

Sally: I want you to find me a sandwich with eggs... and ham.

*mustering bell*

Sally: HAAAAAM! HAAAAAAM!

Khamul: You heard her: GET the ham.

*later*

Sally: Do you have it?

Duck: ...What?

Sally: My sandwich with eggs and ham.

Duck: ...Erm...no... but there's a shop nearby...

Sally: Good. I will say no more.

*still later*

Sally: Finally, we've reached the Prancing Pony. Khamul, take your riders down the left flank and bring me my @%&# sandwich already! Bread shall be sliced... eggs shall be splintered... A ham! AND THE WATER IS BOOOIILIIIING!

HAAAAAAAM!

Riders: HAAAAAM!

Sally: HAAAAAAM!

Riders: HAAAAAAAAM!

Sally: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!

*village attacks*

Sally: AAAAAARGH!

*Sally lays dying* All I wanted was a sandwich with eggs... and ham...

Khamul: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I BROUGHT YOU YOUR SANDWICH! And I'm too late. Fantastic.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Or, as a wolf, I could have just picked up on the fact that Fea did something outrageously suspicious, and gone after it forcefully because I had her suspicious behavior as a cover... and because I knew perfectly well people would say that a wolf wouldn't do that. I would have, probably. Wouldn't surprise me if a wolf-Legate would do the same. :p
I sertainly belive you would be bold enough to do such a thing, but I am not sure if it's the case this time.

anyways

++Sally

[Aganzir]

So, you could have just translated it to your mothertongue and make nice lists and be silent
You really think it's that easy? :p

The following quotes are by Lari.
Or I could be alluding to something else there. And you're partially Sagittarius too. So are you partially evil?
But I didn't say it probably reveals a lot about me. And yes you could but why say it aloud in the first place if it also has an in-game meaning an innocent wouldn't want to be associated to?

I also I wanted to lynch Frodo the first Day so we didn't end up in a situation like this toDay. --- If we knew who Frodo was then either the Ranger could have protected or could have been lynched and then we could have only one wolf to find soon.
But why would xe have had to be lynched? Why couldn't we have let xem live once xe had revealed - it would have given us a known innocent, and if xe was turned, we could have lynched xem immediately.
Threatening the RB with lynching if xe revealed was not very helpful for the village. It gave xem two options: either to reveal & die or stay quiet & be turned at some point. That's what a wolf would want xem to do.

You admitted that yourself
Yeah I was just listing your reasons.

And they were the ones listed.
But many things had been said about her yet there was nothing very clear. Were you suspicious of her voting me, like Shasta was?
Also, you kind of deny being responsible for your suspicions by saying it was just what others had said earlier.

We know Mac is innocent because Lommy dreamed him innocent. That's what I meant.
But you seemed not to be sure which one of the seers was telling the truth, yet you trusted Lommy's claim of Mac's innocence.
Hmm actually you called also Rune a known dead innocent. So if you're a wolf/RB and they aren't (well at least Mac isn't), you knew they were innocent, and slipped that you knew it.
That's the Mac slip.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally: Whew, that was a close one! At least I got the seer!

Shirriff : Where do you think you're going, Silly?

Sally : I'm going to go put this Morgul Blade in my safe-deposit box.

Shirriff : Oh really? I know a really safe locker you could put it in...
Davey Jones' Locker!!! Hand over your sword.

Sally : Uh-oh.

The scene shifts with both of them on the walkway in the middle of the
village. A large rock is tied down with a rope to Sally's feet, as it appears
that the shirriff wants to drown her in the sea.

Shirriff : This is the end of the road, my little robed pal. Your
troublemaking days in Bree™ are over. My plans for the
Mayor are far too important... ...and much too near
completion... ...to rish letting a would-be Nazgul like you get in
the way. So long, Miss stansusedshipyard, or satonaleopard, or whatever your name is.

The Shirriff kicks the idol down, and Sally is pulled down into the sea.
Shirriff : Hmmm... This might actually turn out to be a pretty good day.
(leaves)

Down the sea, Sally survives thanks to his ability to hold his breath for
10 minutes. However, she is tied with short rope as not to be able to pick up
the pair of scissors, rusty knife, sword, or other dangerous objects nearby her that may be of use to cut off the tie and save herself.

Sally : I can't reach that from here.

After a while, two villagers come and talk to each other on the walkway above
Sally.

Rune : Hey, Nerwen, I just committed a felony!

Nerwen : Did it involve that big knife you've got there?

Rune : Yeah! What should I do with it?

Nerwen : Get rid of it!

Rune : I'll throw it in the water!

Nerwen : No, don't do that!

Rune : Why not? I need to ditch it!

Nerwen : It might wash up somewhere!

Rune : What do I care? MY prints won't be on it! I'm throwing it in!
(a brief pause) ...naaaah. I might need it. See you.

Nerwen : See you.

The two villagers leave. After some quite long while...

Sally : Gee, I don't know how much longer I can hold my breath...

After ten minutes have elapsed, Sally goes blue, then green, and floats (the large, but not too large, rock which she could have picked up at any time, keeping her from reaching the surface). Possible actions include, but are not limited to, "Float," "Bob," "Duck," and "Buy Hint Book."

This is the lesson you've been taught — Guybrush Threepwood you are not. When by water you are surrounded -- Get to shore before you're drownded

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think it's quite late. I will leave you.

All I could say now, I have said in my previous posts.

I probably don't have anything more to add...

Hopefully further, it will be better...

Good night, Bree. Good night, Sally. Tra-la-la-lally, let's kill the Sally...

[Lariren Shadow]

But I didn't say it probably reveals a lot about me. And yes you could but why say it aloud in the first place if it also has an in-game meaning an innocent wouldn't want to be associated to?

At the time he was also listing the characteristics and what each sign meant.


But many things had been said about her yet there was nothing very clear. Were you suspicious of her voting me, like Shasta was?
Also, you kind of deny being responsible for your suspicions by saying it was just what others had said earlier.

It was not that it was more her first post I didn't like and Nog's comment about her statement your vote that had me suspicious. Both of those things, and since both were mentioned I thought that was the best way to put it. And what Miri said.

And Sally left out Lommy in her list on Day 1. I wasn't the only one.

Hmm actually you called also Rune a known dead innocent. So if you're a wolf/RB and they aren't (well at least Mac isn't), you knew they were innocent, and slipped that you knew it.
That's the Mac slip.

Ok the Rune thing was my bad. I thought I saw that both of them listed known innocents(dead) and went with it. I wasn't reading carefully. I admit it. And I guess I trusted Lommy more. I really don't know why, considering what I thought before but I think it was along the lines of "well, her revel was first and it sort of makes a lot of sense".

I forgot to respond to my vote of Sally even after people thought about Brinn: I just needed to vote and sleep. That's all.

[satansaloser2005]

Huzzah, I return victorious from the works~!


Much thanks to my duckling for posting in my absence, but never fear, I am back!

[satansaloser2005]

I said, hey Kit, sittin' in your tree
Village seems to want you to murder me
Don't be shy, straighten up your tie
Get down from your mod throne sittin' in the sky
I wanna know just who to kill
To vote myself or to vote for Gil?
I got PMs from pals on all fours
I'll show you my (role) if you show me yours

Gotta do me in, hey, hey, hey
Let the fun begin hey
I'm the wolf today, hey, hey, hey
I'll huff I'll puff
I'll huff I'll puff and blow you away

Say you'll vote say you won't
Say you'll kill who I don't
If you're wraith or Ferny don't lynch me

Say you'll vote say you won't
Say you'll kill who I don't
If you're wraith or Ferny don't lynch me

Do you lynch all the Brinns, night kill the Groins?
Could Fea and I live if we fork over coins?
We can talk, we can sing
I'll be the wraith who ends up with the ring
Hey, Mac, in your tree
Prepare your vote for lil old me
I got a vote that might be his
But I'll Nilp myself if you buy me this (http://http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/a917/)

Gotta do me in, hey, hey, hey
Let the votes come in hey
I'm the lynch today hey, hey, hey
I'll yak and blab
I'll talk and gab and babble away

Say you'll vote say you won't
Say you'll kill who I don't
Everyone vote for me, c'est la vie (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArCnMMP-R-c&feature=related)

Say you'll vote say you won't
Say you'll kill who I don't
Everyone vote for me, vote for me

[satansaloser2005]

Hey Rune, don't make it bad.
Cast a self vote and make it better.
Remember to let them rip out your heart,
Then you can start to make it better.

Hey Rune, don't be afraid.
You were made to go out and lynch her.
The minute you let them rip off your skin,
Then you begin to make it better.

And anytime you break the pact, hey Rune, retract,
Don't carry the world upon your paws, dear.
For well you know that it's a dork who plays with forks
By making his world a bit more severe.

Da da da da da da, da da da, hey Rune....

Hey Rune, don't let me down.
You've found the ranger, now go get her.
Remember to rip her up like Lom,
Then you can start to make it better.

So let it out and let it in, hey Rune, begin,
You're waiting for someone to slay them with.
And don't you know that it's just you, hey Rune, you'll do,
The movement you need is on your shoulder.

Da da da da da da, da da da, hey Rune....

Hey Rune, don't make it bad.
Take a lost cause and make it better.
Remember to keep away from the lynch,
Then you'll begin to make it
Better better better better better better, oh.

Da da da da da da, da da da, hey Rune....

[Rikae]

Well, I've finished my chart. Not sure how useful it is, but I've attached it if anyone cares to have a look. Basically, I went through all the posts looking for things Sally and Brinn said about everyone and vice versa suggesting that person was not a wolf (or, in Mac's case, that he was or was not a cobbler). I put the post numbers in the chart (many of these have been mentioned by others, but I wanted a handy reference - I was looking for strong suspicions of an endangered wolf (or possible wolf) mostly, and also such things as forgetting someone. I didn't look for "wolfish" things because those are too often misleading, in my experience.

I also listed everyone's votes for the first three days and their stance on various controversial issues that have arisen over the course of the game.

My conclusions (as far as the old wraith goes):
RED:
Mira - has nothing standing against her being a wraith, plus a suspicious-looking vote on Day 2 speaking against her. She and the known wolves pretty much ignored each other. Could well be a flying-under-the-radar wraith.
Mac - Both known wolves defend him after Night 2 (when he would have sent his own name, if Ferny), although Sally wanted him lynched on Day 1.
ORANGE:
Legate - Has suprisingly little standing against him being a wraith, especially if Mac is innocent or if he decided to sacrifice him. Could also be Frodo. On second glance, Day 1 posts look like he was trying to give advice to Ferny.
Er.... PEACH
Aganzir - Also has little against her wraithishness or Frodoliness. Initial wishywashy reaction to Lommy vs. Brinn looks bad. Jump on possible Mac-cobbler looks better if he is one, since she votes him on Day 2, when she would have probably known if he was Ferny.
YELLOW
Rune - Lots of fighting with Brinn, almost looks wolf-on-wolf, but pretty serious if it is (with Brinn almost getting lynched).
Menel - Votes for Mac every time, which looks good if Mac is bad, doesn't tell us much if Mac is good. Weirdly trusts Brinn at first. Nothing really against his wraithishness (unless Mac is Ferny).
CHARTREUSE
Lari - is only somewhat suspicious, and less so if Mac is Ferny.
GREEN
Greenie - Brinn appears to have tried to scapegoat her, which speaks in her favor.
Berry - If Mac is guilty, Berry is probably innocent. His reaction to my fake seer-reveal looks pretty innocent, too.
Nerwen - There are reasons she wouldn't be a wolf with each known wolf, innocentish vote on Day 1.
Rikae - Not on the chart, because why would you trust me to analyze myself? :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

++Initiate Filibuster

[satansaloser2005]

I need to finish my alphabet! :D


J: Just a penguin hugger. Lommie, and her long-standing obsession with penguins, is easily recognized throughout the board.

[satansaloser2005]

K: Kayla~! (That's me!) Easily the cutest wraith EVER!

[satansaloser2005]

L: Legate. Quite a nice fellow, most likely innocent, though he'll probably get killed off at some point just because the village needs to keep their options open.

[Macalaure]

I had a bad day, so instead of an extended opinion of Rune, Legate, and Aganzir, this will be the last thing you'll hear from me toDay - hopefully not the last thing at all.

I'm very much puzzled by Aganzir's insisting that I'm evil. I remember for a while I always thought Nogrod was evil, no matter what happened, but this seems to be a much worse case of paranoia. Aganzir: if I'm a cobbler, it will show by my staying alive. Please just believe me that I'm innocent and then we'll talk about it again if I don't die.

Funnily, Legate defending my innocence is quite surprising, too.


Why?

The fact that she's laughing at the idea of me being Ferny. Why is that idea funny - unless you know better?

Also... Go and see post #684. It's interesting that the list includes everyone except Mac, and right there he states that on the list is one wolf and the RB. So where's Mr Ferny?

Oh, please. That list was for myself to have a look at who's left to be looked at. Of course it didn't include me. You're right, I forgot Ferny - because I didn't really care much, I had wraiths on my mind. I ended up finding Mirandir Ferny-ish-looking, but if I wouldn't have found anybody for the job, it wouldn't have bothered me.

I regret now that I didn't analyse Aganzir earlier instead of someone else...

Lari's statements toDay don't make me feel better about her at all.

And I think Rikae just took werewolf-scholarship to a whole new level - a spreadsheet?? :eek:

[satansaloser2005]

M: Mirandir.


Mira, Mira, on the wall. Whos' the most innocent of them all?
Could it be the girl who wants to keep the wraith alive?
Because she's cute and talkative
Perhaps because I cannot rhyme
I will not comment on her this time

[satansaloser2005]

N: Nerwen. The. Devil.

[satansaloser2005]

O: Oxford. A place in England. Mith is from England, but she is not in this game. But she has been watching this game, so it works.

[satansaloser2005]

P: Pippin. My inspiration. :p No one wants to kill the cute little one. Except when the seer dreams her/him of course.

[satansaloser2005]

Q: Quickly. Since I'm stealing stuff from Fea's game, it demands that I post at least every two minutes I believe. Scurry scurry! :D

[satansaloser2005]

R: Rikae. Easily one of the most tricksy players in WW. Must be watched, precious.

[satansaloser2005]

S: Steve. See Eon.

[satansaloser2005]

T: Tol-in Gauroth. The fancy schmancy name for WW games.

[satansaloser2005]

U: Unhelpful. Pretty much what all my posts are right now. (I wanted to have a better set of stuff for my filibuster but ended up having to take a detour of sorts before I came back. Sorry.)

[satansaloser2005]

V: V for Vendetta. Aka vendetta. Aka what my packmates better have against the rest of the village! :D

[satansaloser2005]

X: (Ra)xicoricofallipatorius. Most rockin' planet ever, home to scary creatures with big claws and bad B.O. Aka Agan's hometown. *huggles her, for the claws are what I am referencing of course*

[satansaloser2005]

W: Whoops. As in I forgot W, so I may as well put it in now. Whoops.

[satansaloser2005]

Y: Yellow. As in a zone of suspicion. In my yellow zone of suspicion are: Rune, Rikae, Mira, and Lari.

[satansaloser2005]

Z: Zany! As in my posts. Alternatively, zero percent chance that Phantom is innocent in this game.


And with that I transition into....PHANTOM!

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom McPhantom Face. Further details to follow.

[satansaloser2005]

Physical characteristics:

Typically cavorts around in a blue robe. Tall, dark, and thinks he's handsome. Eyes known to often glow randomly.

[satansaloser2005]

Personality:


Egotistical as all heck. Shows preferential treatment to those who suck up to him. See below.

"Good....evil....who cares? It's all about who's nice to me."



Funny, occasionally charming, but mostly pigheaded and, while amusing, always a good choice to lynch just to amuse yourself.

[satansaloser2005]

Pyromania:

I'm not sure, but I'm just thinking that the guy would like fire.

[satansaloser2005]

Potential for alliteration:

Obviously existent.

[satansaloser2005]

Proverbial coolness factor:


Immeasurable. As in it does not exist. :p



For reference/comparison see Fea, Rikae, and Legate. :p

[satansaloser2005]

++End filibuster



Now that I've put myself at the top of post count (as an homage to my beloved packmate Brinn) I'll at least back off a bit. No more use for flood posting now unless it's actually an attempt (mind, attempt) to be amusing.

[Rikae]

Oh.

[Rikae]

No.

[Rikae]

You.

[Rikae]

Don't.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes.

[satansaloser2005]

I.

[satansaloser2005]

Did.

[satansaloser2005]

Wench.

[satansaloser2005]

Quack.

[satansaloser2005]

First a business failure and now I'm faced with being murdered. Great. Well, all I can say is that whoever tries to kill me in my sleep will find me with a suply of weapons behind me. Break my sword and I pick up my axe. Woe be to the wraith who crosses with me!

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

The correlation of Jupiter in concert with Mars, Mercury, and Venus says by way of the four elements that there is danger in this town! With Mars ascendant, our foes are clearly under the influence of fire, while the angle of Mercury mixes with that of our moon to state clearly that our dear innkeeper has the protection of water. Venus's Sixth House is in the descendant; this tells us our ranger is a very earthy, grounded person. And finally, Jupiter's height in the astral sphere is an analog of the numbers 66.245 and 19093.34; going by this, my calculations are that anyone bearing a strange piece of jewelry, while not only airheaded and judgement-clouded by air, is also extremely susceptible to evil influence.

Any further readings will cost you a pint of ale per fifteen minutes. I can read anything in the stars you desire!

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.


Durelin sat alone at a table in a dark corner of the common room, an untouched mug in front of him. He wears a cloak, though the inn is comfortably warm, its hood drawn up to hide the majority of his face. He must not draw attention to himself, not if he is to complete his task. Of course, he wondered now if he had been foolish to come here, foolish to risk searching at all...

This new evil presence, he thought, the wraiths...they turn the night into my enemy, which is normally my greatest ally...

As the common room grew more and more excited, Durelin did his best to remain inconspicuous, drawing his dark cloak more tightly to him.

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

One hour into the Day, and already I see plenty of in-character bantering. I hate to disappoint, but my posts won't be nearly as amusing. Because right now it is late and my sleeping pill is kicking in...so surely you can't expect me to think properly until morning.

And while all this banter and in-character stuff is entertaining for the time being, I'm hoping we'll have progressed to some more substantial discussion by the time I return. Day one is always tricky, but using in-character posts as a crutch certainly won't help us.

Going to sleep now, but in the meantime, feel free to help yourself to some pie.

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

What a terrible, terrible thing! Such a lively young wench she was (and so fond of my special brew). Well, let's have drinks all round, in her memory. Except for that Ranger feller; he's had his share already. Besides, I don't rightly hold with these here Rangers...



*scratches head* Hmmn. Sounds fair. Here's a pint. Who did 'er in, then?

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

You, most probably.

I have only twenty minutes now, so excuse me for bantering this little. Off to business then...

There's eighteen of us and only three ringwraiths. Granted, there's an informer to help them, but still, I would say our situation looks quite good.

Which exactly might be the problem. Villages with the setting that favours the innocent surprisingly often leads to their loss, because they become careless and entangled in silly discussions because they feel no hurry to catch the wolves. So let's not do that this time.

And *hint hint* that also means we could move away from banter to more serious suttf, if anyone has anything at all to say.

So maybe I'll start about that.

My opinion on this bantering? It annoys me a little because I subconsciously assume this game has already been going for for 5-8 hours although in reality, we only started 3h ago. So I should not be harsh.

But given that there were so many people around, one could imagine they'd have come up with something. Anything. Even such sort of useless and obvious discussion about roles and setting like I just started. So, do we have just a few ordos having fun? A cobbler messing around *glares at Gollum and sally* or even wolves who feel the most comfortable talking nonsense?

*happy sigh* I missed ww. Hmm, anyway, I'd better leave for work in ten minutes. I'll be back in ten hours or a bit more, I hope I can expect everybody has posted by then and that there will be talk - about other subjects than mattresses, drinks and stellar signs too....

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People are not postiiiing, yah-dah-dah-dadey...

Everybody's laaaa-zyyyy...

This way, comrades, this way we won't ever build that socialism.

Erm... okay. Hey, but our comrades in the Shire almost succeeded already... just need to get rid of a few Baggins exploiters and everything's gonna be fine...

The Shire needs five thousand new tractors. Why is there a weapons dealer, and not a tractor dealer?

All hail to the People's Republic of Michel Delving! Waiting for comrade Sharkey to arrive to set things right.

Hobbitton needs a new mill.

And what about our village? Are we going to stay behind? I take the pledge to supply Bree with five hundred herrings per day. Every herring is a serious blow to the Western imperialism. Which means probably the Dwarves from the Blue Mountains. Yeah, they think they have a monopoly on everything.

Bree needs to produce more charcoal! Heaps all over the edges of Chetwood.

Or are you not going to post in order to make me being silly here? Yes, pretty much succesful.

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

Hello bunnies.

What is it that the day has been going for six hours and there's already two pages? I'm not used to this. *okay reads the two pages and is not surprised anymore*

I am concerned about Menel based solely on the narration. Something more sinister just sounds awfully bad!


I'm Capricorn. Or Sagittarius. I'm not quite sure which one. I wonder what that makes me, Sagittarius being a fire sign and Capricorn an earth one.


Thank you! Mmm... this is goo- WHAT? A finger!


Thus far. However I find it quite possible the wraiths will learn Ferny's identity soon enough as xe can give them xer opinions etc. Plus, if the wraiths attack the Ring-bearer they get a fourth member to their team. In the worst case there might sooner or later be five baddies around.

I'm not overly fond of the banter either. I find showing off with my post count worth my while only when I've actually posted some serious substance.


Liar. You're Cancer. That is, a crab.

Okay some things about the roles.

The seer cannot trust xer dreams completely as Ferny is revealed as an ordo. I assume Ferny counts as an ordo in numbers, then, too? Has the seer dreamed already?

I wonder what should be done with Frodo. We might not want to lynch xem as long as xe's an ordo but we also wouldn't like to get xem wolf-killed.

Comrade Legate is being sensible. However, the situation being as it is, I think the Socialist Republic of Breeland needs a strong intelligency agency to spy on every citizen in order to find the wrongdoers. Let's make this a police state until things are solved!

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Having labored all day to complete it, Beregond sharpens the edge of the sword he had made a week ago.

"It's not pretty, but it should get the job done. I've never been much use making blades, but I have been improving my art."

He sticks it deep into an old chipped and mangled wooden block in the corner of his shop. Then he checks the tip.

"Hmmm. Not bad, not bad. Been getting some pointers from Gollum. Creepy fellow, and talkative, but I've never met anyone so knowledgeable.

I'm going to keep this sword on my side from hereon. Can't be too careful. Can't get the image of... of... No, rather not think about that. What we need to do is find these wraiths, or whatever they are, and see they don't do us no more harm!

I have suspicions, but it's real hard to see under the cloaks, so to speak. And I've happened to notice, only nine out of the nineteen or so people in our village have even spoke out yet. Ten, now. But wouldn't a wraith want to stay out of the sunlight, so to speak? Maybe none of them have posted at all. But wraiths are crafty folk - so I've heard from the elders, I haven't seen them myself - and by posting they could avoid suspicion, or try. Now, like I said before Gollum is a strange one, and he talks more'n I've heard before, but I can't fix him as an evil one. Maybe I owe him too much. Who else, then: Sally? Shasta? Durelin? Nerwen? I dunno about them. I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is."

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Hello, children. I meant to stop in this morning at work, except I um... couldn't access the... village...

Anyway, I'm here and my only goal for day one is to try to scare wolves by attempting to vote for one, given that logically their only real fear on Day 1 is to be accidentally caught, since they haven't left behind any clues yet that could actually lead straight to them.

I think... Sally.

Sally shall be my go-to person for a lynch target for now.

She just seems to enthusiastic, and I tend to find that the more enthusiastic players on day one usually have a special role.

So I shall just go take a bit of my belladonna now, nap for a little while, take advantage of an unexpectedly free afternoon...

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

Hello all! Like Fea I couldn't access the village when I had the chance earlier... And now I must be leaving for class shortly and thus can't probably analyze, well, anything. With any luck job 1 won't wear me out to the point where I can't post during job 2.

In the meantime, I feel that Gollum is probably not to blame. It would be far too obvious for a traveling weapons designer to cut off poor Kitanna's head. Or would it...?

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

Sorry about the lack of ale bringing but I needed time to recover from the shock(read class). Would anyone like anything while I'm here for the next, oh, eight minutes?

As for my sign I am a Sagittarius which actually does say a lot more about me than it should.

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

Sorry to come in this late but I actually had a 14-hour workday today and have basically just come home and eaten the first time today (10PM). I'll be reading next and come back then.

So it seems I'm not able to stand behind my promise to post only once on Day1 but I'll try to keep my posting in two posts toDay.

Let's see if I can meet that goal...

BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF. BAD WOLF.

Huh. I tried to access the Downs some five and a half hours ago but failed. I'm here only now and must vote soon since I need to go to sleep. What bothers me (easy to say of course, having been absent myself) is the lack of actual discussion. Yeah, Day 1, I know, but still. Nearly two pages of stuff (suttf?) and hardly anything to comment on. Bah.

The problem is I have no idea who I can vote, or even on what grounds should I vote since there just isn't enough material to base any opinions on. I even have no gut feelings, which is a bit alarming in itself.

Like Agan, I will certainly not vote a first-timer out on a Day like this when I have as vague opinions on everyone. I will also not vote anyone who has attempted some actual game discussion toDay. I will not vote anyone who hasn't appeared yet since that's plain evil because I have no way of knowing how that particular person behaves in this game.

Now that I've complained and whined enough, I can start thinking. I'll let Lommins in soon, but I could do with some discussion before that. Is there anyone around?


EDIT: Evidently. x-ed since Beregond's 62 (Are there any nicknames for you, by the way? Beregond is waaaay too long!)

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Whoa... an entire first page with nothing but in-character banter? *thumbs up*

Let's derail the whole game and talk about astrology instead, shall we? Legate deludes himself into thinking he's a two fishes and Aganzir doesn't know what she is at all. This topic has potential!
(Agan, just find out your birth time and use one of the many online calculators.)

Oh, and I'm a Libra with more planets in Scorpio than is good for me. And now I'm wondering whether I should try to lynch all squaring and opposing cardinal or all squaring and opposing fixed villagers first. *evil grin*


Alright, to business. We have two interesting new fellas in our village, Mister Underhill and Mister Ferny. While Mister Underhill is a pure and innocent hobbit, he might want to get himself killed should it at some time look as if fate stands against us - to secure victory at least for himself. Mister Ferny is a good-for-nothing if there's ever been one. I'm not sure, however, how much his special ability will help him. Since he can only send a name, and no reasoning, his guess at gifteds is actually worse than each wraith's own one. As Aganzir (I think) said, he might use his ability to identify himself to the wraiths. (Ha! I wonder whether he'll be gutsy enough to dare give his own name to this end in Night 2.)
Anyway, especially with this conscious cursed villager around, it's extra important to get a wraith or two early on.



If I understand you correctly, then Frodo-ish behaviour is behaviour meant to get oneself killed. Unless Frodo decides to give hints (for which we should look, of course), the best plan for him (if his plan is to get himself killed, which we don't know) is to either act seerish or appear as innocent and unlikely to lynch as possible - but those people we certainly should not start lynching because of that. The exception I could think of would be a seerish person who keeps and keeps on living.



Frodo just wants to win. If the innocent side seems stronger, he'll try to avoid being killed (like everybody), if the evil side seems stronger, he might try to set himself up. I don't think he tries to be killed from toDay on.



I don't like zem eizer, but now I'm tempted to start using zem just to annoy you.


There seems to be a bit of a confusion as to who our and the wraiths' main targets are. Us: wraiths. Wraiths: Butterbur. And it will stay like that unless Butterbur is dead or some uncommon situation arises.


I don't have any suspects yet... I need to change that...

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Shasta, you're an Aquarius, correct?

Even showing up as late as I did, I almost had the opportunity to make my point about Mr. Underhill before anyone else, but then Nog had to go and mess it up for me. Eh. Revealing may be the best thing Frodo can do for the village. If we know who he is, as soon as a kill is missed (Frodo is changed) we can lynch him. Also, there is no incentive for a baddie to falsely reveal as Frodo, since changing the real Frodo will get the false Frodo lynched. Maybe he could serve as a known innocent of sorts? Nevertheless, it's up to the ringbearer.

On the other hand, if Bill Ferny doesn't count as a baddie in the head count, he is really no more powerful than a cobbler who has the ability to clue the wolves in to his own identity. This gives us some hope of catching him, as well as the wolves, since, knowing no more than any ordinary villager, the most he can realistically do is use daytime hints in addition to his nighttime messages to help the wolves find him.

By the way, I'm a Pisces (a real one).

EDIT: X'd with the whole page and God only knows what else. By the way, I'm a fan of the gender-neutral pronouns, myself, but since we have a built-in gender for our gifted characters in this game, I went with that.

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I disagree with you Legate, I do not think that Brinn or Lommy has said anything of substanse. . . It is just the usual "look at me I am all serious about the game" nonsense that allways pops up, it is no more usefull than the in charachter banter, but it is less intertaining.

It would be foolish of me to assume them evil because of these comments, but it is worth taking a note about. It shows that they to some degree would like to be viewed as people who are focused on catching the evil-doers.

Anyways I am afraid I won't be around much today, I have many things that needs tending to.
(I am babysitting my little brother)

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Urghhh. I'm sorry to be late, guys. I'm having the worst hangover ever after last night and

**BBBLLLAAAARRRRGGGHHH**

Ooh, sorry. I'll go clean that up.

Anyhow, about this post:

Now, now, I think Nog will probably last until Day 2, given my presence.

OK, about Ferny and the Ringbearer, I agree that Frodo should reveal xyrself to us at some point, but probably not on Day One or Day Two. Three might be a good time to consider it. As for Ferny, I suggest looking at those who ask a lot of prying questions while shying away from revealing xyr findings to us (that is, gathering information but not letting us in on it).

Now I'd like another beer, please. I need to drink this terrible headache off, and Macalaure's post about Frodo is not helping it either.

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[Rikae]

Ok, now, that's a little annoying.

[Rikae]

--Sally

After all, a known wraith is almost as good as a known ordo *coughcobblercough*

[Rikae]

It would be pretty amusing if Rune turned out evil after all.

[satansaloser2005]

Oooo you mean maybe I can do this again toMorrow?



(P.S. Sorry it was in all caps. I just put it in once and absently copied and pasted, wasn't paying attention to case.)

[Rikae]

Sally's post in which she votes Rune is suspicous because she gives him a throwaway vote when she knows it won't be followed, and even emphasizes, in the post, that she doesn't expect it to be followed (“crickets”).

[Rikae]

By which I mean that Rune is a wraith, not that Sally is. Sally is not a wraith, and I will use my amazing vote-controlling power to keep her around.

[Rikae]

Bah, the heck with that.

++Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Bad wolf. Rune, Agan. Bad wolf? Bad wolf! Bad....wolf....Rikae Mac bad wolf bad wolf Legate bad wolf. Bad wolf, bad wolf, Mira bad wolf Lari; Nerwen, Berrie bad WOLF! Menel, bad wolf? *bad wolf*

Bad wolf? Bad. Wolf. Bad wolf!


(Okay, all better now, I promise.)

[satansaloser2005]

Erm, you're not making any sense, lovely.:rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Day 1:

Plus, if the wraiths attack the Ring-bearer they get a fourth member to their team. In the worst case there might sooner or later be five baddies around.

Well, there is still enough of us for the time being.


What was THAT???!!!

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, I really do want you to explain that post you made the other Day that I quoted. Obviously it's probably best that you wait until the end of the game, but I want to know what you meant.

[Rikae]

For old Barney Butterbur will know Frodo

Barney??

[satansaloser2005]

Barney??



Oh boy, the seer's on fire!
This is our only desire!
We'll watch the flames get higher!
Just don't try to put her out!

[Rikae]

No, no, no. If you notice any Ferny, you should just ignore him, because his purpose is to make mess. We should go after the Wraiths, not Ferny.”

No comment.

[satansaloser2005]

No comment.

But by saying 'no comment' you're really commenting. Not at all counterproductive, mind.

[Rikae]

By the way, I really do want you to explain that post you made the other Day that I quoted. Obviously it's probably best that you wait until the end of the game, but I want to know what you meant.

Hm, you mean the one where I said I was a real Pisces? I meant, of course, that I'm not a liar like Legate the Naughty.

[Rikae]

But by saying 'no comment' you're really commenting. Not at all counterproductive, mind.

Ok, so I am a liar like Legate.

[satansaloser2005]

Ok, so I am a liar like Legate.


No, certainly not a liar. Never said that. Just a tad confuzzled is all.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Rune
I must admit that just now I feel most like voting for Brinn

If you do, I hope you have a good reason for it.

No, seriously. I don't care if someone votes for me. But if they do it for lousy reasons, it just ticks me off. And I'm probably not the only one who feels this way. :rolleyes:

"Yes, Rune, ol' buddy ol' pal, because I wouldn't want you incriminating yourself when you try to distance yourself from me."

[Rikae]

No, certainly not a liar. Never said that. Just a tad confuzzled is all.

That's right, I admit it. I never lie. You caught me. :D

[Lariren Shadow]

Um...

...
...

wow.:eek:

[Rikae]

Legate, however, is literally a lying, lazy, legalistic, lackadaisical lowlife with a liking for lectures and Lommies.

[satansaloser2005]

That's right, I admit it. I never lie. You caught me. :D



Glad we're clear. I never lie either. (No, seriously, I don't.)


:D

[satansaloser2005]

Legate, however, is literally a lying, lazy, legalistic, lackadaisical lowlife with a liking for lectures and Lommies.




OOOOOO I LOVE YOU!!!!

[Rikae]

Must. Build. Post. Count.

[Rikae]

OOOOOO I LOVE YOU!!!!
I like a little alliteration in my life, but a little alliteration goes a loooong way.

[Rikae]

Actually, I really am Frodo. I'm just hiding in the open.

[Rikae]

And hiding the fact that I'm hiding in the open in the open.

[satansaloser2005]

Building post count?

[Rikae]

And hiding the fact that I'm hiding the fact that I'm hiding in the open in the open...

[satansaloser2005]

Bring.

[Rikae]

And hiding the fact that... eh, never mind.
*takes aspirin*

[satansaloser2005]

It.

[satansaloser2005]

On.

[Rikae]

It ?

[satansaloser2005]

Ferny. I mean, wench.

[Rikae]

On??

[satansaloser2005]

Let's play song time again, shall we?

[satansaloser2005]

On??

Off.


(Kit's gonna kill us. Well, you.)

[Rikae]

ßömétiméß I liké tö ßhöw öff...

[Rikae]

all the special characters I can type.

And on topic, Sally is a wraith.

[Rikae]

Why, if she kills me it's no loss. I'm a plain ordo. :Merisu:

Besides, you started it.

[satansaloser2005]

A long long time ago
I can still remember
Killing ordos used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could kick those gifteds' pants
And then the wraiths could party for a while

The seer reveal made me nervous
I always thought I'd be impervious
Bad news on the game thread
I realized I was dead

I can't remember if I cried
When I saw my packmate Brinn get fried
But Ferny wasn't at my side
The Day that Sally died

So bye bye, Mistress Sally, goodbye
Took my TARDIS up to Arda
And our Frodo was scried
The other wraiths are eating Lommie brain pie
As I sing, “This'll be the Day that I die.
This'll be the Day that I die.”

Did you join the evil team
Or do you have faith in the seer's dreams?
If dear Lommie tells you “vote”
Do you trust the ranger to save?
Will their skills save you from the grave
Or will your friends need to wear their black coats?

Well I knew she was a gifted, dear
Not that Ferny whispered in my ear
The seer was uncloaked
Her posting rights revoked

I'm just a cute lil girl whose internet sucks
I've got snarky posts and a genius duck
But now I know I'm out of luck
The Day that Sally died

So bye bye, Mistress Sally, goodbye
Took my TARDIS up to Arda
And our Frodo was scried
The other wraiths are eating Lommie brain pie
As I sing, “This'll be the Day that I die.
This'll be the Day that I die.”

After toNight they'll be on their own
My packmates will be left alone
But that's how it used to be
See, Ferny suggested Brinn and Green
And then we found out Mac was clean
(Guess what? His Rikae plays with me)

And while we all looked for the ring
Some little Finn girl had to sing
Brinn's lynching did occur
The wraiths were in a stir
And while you may ignore my posts
The duck and I still post the most
Before we're both reduced to toast
The Day that Sally died

So bye bye, Mistress Sally, goodbye
Took my TARDIS up to Arda
And our Frodo was scried
The other wraiths are eating Lommie brain pie
As I sing, “This'll be the Day that I die.
This'll be the Day that I die.”

By Lommie's ghost we are now haunted
Penguins flew off with the ring we wanted
The shiny gone, the votes were cast
But they were posted during class
While at our work or by another lass
So they didn't count. Oh noes! Alas!

Now lynching time was coming round
To lower Sally in the ground
We all prepared to vote
But our posts were never wrote (erm, written)
'Cause the ranger failed to save the seer
And Menel just kept chugging beer
That he had stolen from Aganzir
The Day that Sally died

So bye bye, Mistress Sally, goodbye
Took my TARDIS up to Arda
And our Frodo was scried
The other wraiths are eating Lommie brain pie
As I sing, “This'll be the Day that I die.
This'll be the Day that I die.”

Oh, now time has come for a lynch
Sally must die, it is a cinch
Let's shut her up. (She's just too cool.)
So come on, vote for Sally vote for Em
They both must die let's all kill them
(Or vote for Saxon. He sucks too....)

And as Kit watched from her seat on high
She shook her head, let out a sigh
No moddess who is sane
Could half control this game
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Nerwen laughing with delight
The Day that Sally died

So bye bye, Mistress Sally, goodbye
Took my TARDIS up to Arda
And our Frodo was scried
The other wraiths are eating Lommie brain pie
As I sing, “This'll be the Day that I die.
This'll be the Day that I die.”

I met a Finn who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just laughed and voted me
I looked at the good old Grimoire
Where I'd seen her vote me long before
But the mod there said 'Her role? I won't say'

And on the thread the werewolves screamed
The lovers cried, and the cobbler schemed
But not a word was spoken
At least in English. (It's Tolkien)
And the players I admire most
The Saucepan Man and the Opera Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The Day that Sally died

[Macalaure]

*rises from sleep*

Where is a mod when you need one? :eek::p;)

*falls asleep again*

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, no you don't Rikae!

[Rikae]

Goin to the scaffold and you're...
gonna get lyyyyyched
goin' to the scaffold and you're
gonna get lyyyynched
Gee, you're really wolfy and you're
gonna get lyyyynched
and you'll never spoof songs here anyyyymore!

[satansaloser2005]

*rises from sleep*

Where is a mod when you need one? :eek::p;)

*falls asleep again*

*hugs, gives some sleeping pills so that he will do our bidding again toMorrow*

[satansaloser2005]

Goin to the scaffold and you're...
gonna get lyyyyyched
goin' to the scaffold and you're
gonna get lyyyynched
Gee, you're really wolfy and you're
gonna get lyyyynched
and you'll never spoof songs here anyyyymore!



Aaaand again. Bring it on!

[Rikae]

He's a cobbler and he'll never ever be any good
he's a cobbler 'cuz he never ever does what he should...

[satansaloser2005]

K, so to my packmates, from Brinn (posthumously, as I know she would say it) and myself.


"Give them hell for us, Peeves."

[satansaloser2005]

Good night Rikae
Good night Rikae
Good night Rikae
I hope you get night killed now!

[satansaloser2005]

Brinn, this is for you!

[satansaloser2005]

Rikae, love, you forget one important thing: there are two of us and only one of you!

[satansaloser2005]

In honor of your bravery, your courage, your most foul and unnatural murder.


EDIT: Emily, fail. No fair to her if we gang up on her.

[satansaloser2005]

Ahhhh, I think she's given up. (Of course, now that I've said that....heh)


Okay, so I'd just like to say that this is like THE most fun I've had in a WW game pretty much ever!! :D

[Lariren Shadow]

"Give them hell for us, Peeves."

Is my favorite quote from that book. And I pretty much hated every other minute of the book.

EDIT: Emily, fail. No fair to her if we gang up on her.

EMILY?!

[satansaloser2005]

Is my favorite quote from that book. And I pretty much hated every other minute of the book.

Yeah, basically agreed. *shudders at Umbridge and such business*


EMILY?!

Erm, yeah. Why? :Merisu:

[Lariren Shadow]

Erm, yeah. Why? :Merisu:

*points*Emily? And wraith/wolf?

I can totally make this related to the game.

[satansaloser2005]

*points*Emily? And wraith/wolf?

I can totally make this related to the game.

Heh. Be our guest.


Be our guest, be our guest
Put your joke skills to the test
Make the reference, tie it in and let our brains do all the rest

[Rikae]

Soy un Guardabosques...
I'm a Ranger baby, so why don't you kill me....

In the time of ordos I was a gifted
Pipeweed in my veins and Im out to thwart the wolfie
With the plastic anachronism, spray-paint the newbies
Gollum food stalls with xe beefcake pantyhose
Kill the ringbearer and put it in neutral
Known wolf flamin with a loser and the lynch control
Babys in Bree with the vitamin d
Got a couple of innocents, protect the cobbler
Someone came in sayin Im insane to complain
About a seer revealing and an attack on my post count
Dont believe everything that you read
You get a chatsquirl violation and a negrep (yes indeed?)
So shave Ferny's face with some mace in the dark
Savin all your known innocents and... er... randomly yelling "Quark!"

Soy un Guardabosques...
I'm a Ranger baby, so why don't you kill me.

[Rikae]

Ahhhh, I think she's given up. (Of course, now that I've said that....heh)


Okay, so I'd just like to say that this is like THE most fun I've had in a WW game pretty much ever!! :D

Just when you think it's safe to go back in the water...

[satansaloser2005]

Everything is Sally's fault toDay
The village council has decided that way
Everything that happens is Sally's fault
The village council is also a cult!

[Rikae]

Good night Rikae
Good night Rikae
Good night Rikae
I hope you get night killed now!

But that's my goal, silly.

[satansaloser2005]

But that's my goal, silly.


As you wish.

[Rikae]

Rikae, love, you forget one important thing: there are two of us and only one of you!

Who said there was only one of me?

[Rikae]

As you wish.

Oh, my sweet wraithie! What have I done?

[Rikae]

I have a bad feeling that if I'm not night-killed or mod-killed, I'll be lynched for this.

[satansaloser2005]

Who said there was only one of me?

Well yes, love. If you can make the baby type all the more power to you.

(By the way, hug her for me. In case I didn't say, she's bloody adorable!)

[satansaloser2005]

I have a bad feeling that if I'm not night-killed or mod-killed, I'll be lynched for this.

Why do you think I kept stringing you along, love?


It's okay. As Ferny, it's your duty anyway. :p

[Rikae]

However, I have three posts to go.

[satansaloser2005]

However, I have three posts to go.

And you still do.

[Rikae]

Why do you think I kept stringing you along, love?


It's okay. As Ferny, it's your duty anyway. :p

You and I both know who Ferny is. Not that that helps my case at all.

[Rikae]

:D:cool::eek:

Take your pick.

[satansaloser2005]

Rikae: You seem like a decent player. I hate to kill you.
Sally: You seem like a complete nutcase. I hate to die.


And from Phantom (he's enjoying himself way too much)

Before you lynch me, you must know...I am not the Dread Wraith Sally. My name is Ryan.

[Rikae]

Ahem. To be useful:

we need to lynch Mac before his vote matters. At the worst case, that will be:

[satansaloser2005]

You and I both know who Ferny is. Not that that helps my case at all.

Oh, do I? :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

But he could in fact be innocent. You really don't want the village to win, do you?


That's my girl! :D

[satansaloser2005]

Five ahead! (Six now)

[satansaloser2005]

"My name is Sallingo Montoya. You killed my duckling. Prepare to die."


I challenge thee to a duel! *smacks and runs away*

[satansaloser2005]

Final!

satansaloser2005 134 (135 with this)
Rikae 127
Legate of Amon Lanc 60
Brinniel 56
Aganzir 53
Beregond 50
Macalaure 49
Thinlómien 46
Lariren Shadow 44
Rune Son of Bjarne 42
Mirandir 39
Nerwen 37
Feanor of the Peredhil 36
Gollum the Great 30
Nogrod 25
A Little Green 22
Kitanna 16
Meneltarmacil 16
Durelin 13
Shastanis Althreduin 7


EDIT: not quite 12 yet. My bad.

[Rikae]

Day after toMorrow, worst case scenario, 3:5 good:evil. That is when Mac must die if he isn't dead yet.

[Beregond]

Well, glad I didn't post anything of substance before as it would be long lost by now. :eek: I see Sally's doing her job! I also see why people here have such high post counts. :p

Um, not much to say, here. Sorry, my head's really not in the game. Glad it wasn't tough choice day. I saw the time and realized I hadn't posted yet. You can criticize me for not posting, I don't mind! Hope to do better Sunday. Bye, Sally! :)

[satansaloser2005]

Day after toMorrow, worst case scenario, 3:5 good:evil. That is when Mac must die if he isn't dead yet.

I say they kill you!!! :p

[Kitanna]

Voting closed.
I'll have to cook up a good death for sing-along Sally here. It'll be up in the morning after I get some sleep.

[satansaloser2005]

Farewell, sweet Concorde! (Erm, village)



It's been fun! See you in post-game! :D


Love you all!

~~Sally~~

[Rikae]

Sorry, Beregond. But I can't let her win, now, can I?

EDIT: X'd with Kit... how did it get so late so fast?!

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, Beregond. But I can't let her win, now, can I?


Love you for this, Phantom!


Sally, queen of the midget wraiths, shall triumph! :p

[Rikae]

Well, if she gets to post after deadline, so do I.

3:5 is too late! He must die toMorrow or we lose if we don't get a wraith! :eek:

[satansaloser2005]

Well, if she gets to post after deadline, so do I.

3:5 is too late! He must die toMorrow or we lose if we don't get a wraith! :eek:

That's what she said. :rolleyes:

Grrrrr. Must. Have. Last. Post.


Really leaving now though I think. Need some sleep eventually. :p

[Rikae]

Night Night.

[satansaloser2005]

Night Night.

Good night dearie!:cool:

[Rikae]

Good night dearie!:cool:
Thought you were going to bed...? :D

[Rikae]

Sorry abuot this, Kitanna (and everybody that has to scroll through all that).

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry abuot this, Kitanna (and everybody that has to scroll through all that).

I will, just as soon as you do. :p

EDIT: I repeat the apologies. I'm just too easily provoked.

[Kitanna]

The villagers talked about what to do. The decision to lynch Sally was responsible and just a wise idea. Their dearly departed seer had pegged her as a wraith afterall. But Sally wasn't willing to go down without a fight.

She spent the whole day singing and dancing and composing. While the sensible villagers discussed, she invaded the conversation. If hadn't been a wraith it was possible the village may have killed her anyway just to shut her up.

It would have been best to leave Sally to her crazy talk, but Rikae chose to rise to the challenge. As day drew on the two had begun a shouting match in the center of town. This was much to the anger and annoyance of everyone (including the dead).

Unable to take the madness anymore, Mac and Rune headed to the center of town. Mac dragged Rikae away and Rune took up a large rock. He bashed Sally in the head with it. She screamed and he hit her again and again until she could move no more. He tossed his bloody rock to the side of the road.

Sally's spirit fled her body, presumably to return to Mordor to serve her dark master.

Living
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
A Little Green

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)

Note: If there is any more ridiculous back and forth, especially after day has ended I'll modfire the lot of you.

[Kitanna]

Rikae's voice was hoarse from the screaming match with Sally. She was settling down for a nice cup of tea when something outside rustled. Forgetting the terror presented by the wraiths, Rikae found she was more afraid of Rune and his rock of silence.

She peaked out her front window to see if a disgruntled Rune was lurking in the shadows. He wasn't. She returned to her comfy chair. It was probably in her mind. Or hiding in the closet.

~*~*~

The next morning the village found Rikae still in her chair. However she was missing her skin. Her muscle was exposed and her organs were threatening to ooze out. Some already had. The wraiths had decided having her skin was too much of a hassle, so they relieved her of it.

But the left her skin behind as a gift to the village. It was nailed draped over her kitchen table as a semi-tablecloth. Too bad her blood ruined the wood finish.

Living
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Legate of Amon Lanc
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
A Little Green

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

That is disgusting, it reminds you of that Robbie Williams music video doesn't it? except she isn't moving. . . .

I don't understand why nobody has posted yet. . .have everybody been out in the nightlife saturday or what is the explanation here?

I will be checking what happens on the tread the next hours and comment on what is going on, but I have other stuff to do at the same time.

[Macalaure]

Aaalright. I'm here, so the wraiths obviously thought that the ranger would be doing a better job this time. After her stunt yesterDay, Rikae looked innocent enough to be a decent alternative, I suppose.

The silence on the thread is remarkable. I really, really hope I'll be able to contribute some more than I did the last two days.

[A Little Green]

Well, if that wasn't some scrolling... Is there anyone around or will I chatter to myself? I'd feel more like a good chat about the game than a long analysis rant (the topic of which I don't even know yet - I believe I said yesterDay that I'd like to look at Rikae, but obviously I don't need to do that anymore).

There's something wrong with my computer or me because I can't get Rikae's chart opened.

[A Little Green]

I almost thought we could have it relatively easy now, with quite few possibilities left. I reconsidered when I saw the list. Such sneaky people!

I know I'm not a wraith. I also know Mac isn't. Thus,
IN THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE ARE TWO WRAITHS:
Lari
Miri (I like Miri much better than Mira, by the way)
Legate
Aganzir
Gondie
Nerwen
Rune
Menel

Leggy, Agan, Gondie and Rune seem quite innocentish. That leaves Lari, Miri, Nerwen and Menel.

Lari is still the one I'm flip-flopping most about, she manages to seem both innocent and guilty at the same time. I have no idea whatsoever about Miri. Not about Nerwen either, but that I'm used to. I never manage to read her and that just started to worry me. I might try to look through her posts at some point toDay if I have the time. Menel I find somewhat suspicious and might vote him toDay if I get no better ideas during the Day.

[Lariren Shadow]

I'd be up for a chat about the game.

As for who the Ranger could have protected, maybe xe thought about protecting Mac instead, knowing that he's a known innocent. Also would be an easy kill, especially if the wolves/wraiths were inexperienced.

Well, that's not to say that Rikae wouldn't have been an easy kill either, considering her banter with Sally yesterDay.

To be honest I completely forgot that Menel was still here and alive:eek:

[Lariren Shadow]

On the random issues of Menel, he supported Brinn as Seer as opposed to Lommy. At least according to Rikae's chart. And I found the post too, where he was thinking that Brinn was a better revel than Lommy. Here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=583409&postcount=605)

I don't really know what that means, maybe that he's more innocent than not because he thinks that Brinn is on "our side".

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I am here. On one hand, I am quite happy that I don't have to catch up with too many posts, as I feared ("instant posts - five minutes and done!"), however, I must also say that the level of participation does not quite comfort me. But hopefully now something will start to happen, as it usually does in the late afternoon (my time) hours.

First, as for Rikae's death - I am actually quite "happy" for that (well, of course not :rolleyes: but relatively speaking), in the sense that I do not have to worry whether she is guilty after all or not. All right, but now our numbers are thinning. What were the possible motives to kill her?

First: why her and not Mac: simple. I find it likely that the Wolves took Mac as being protected toNight, and instead of risking the loss of a kill, they decided to keep him for later and attack somebody else. Also, there's been some controversy (coming mainly from the dead one herself) around Mac being a Cobbler or whatnot, which may have played its role as well.

Which brings me to the second: why Rikae in particular. She looked mostly innocentish to people (although for example, like I said above, I was about to start to doubt about her a bit).

(Another thing I thought of, but it's a bit of a "wild guess", I think, is that it may have been aimed to further incriminate Mac, as to put him as if he were Ferny, being sort of "protected" by the Wolves from Rikae by killing her. But that sounds pretty weird.)

Third thing... I will take a look at her list of suspects from yesterDay, if the Wolves' motives could not have been influenced by that as well (personally I think they might have, quite likely. Let's see).

Back in a while.

[Lariren Shadow]

A list! I'm bored! And don't want to do my homework! I think I can figure out the Marxist view on history by the title.

Known Innocent:
Mac: Which, actually, is not all together true. He could be Ferny because the Seer would have dreamed innocent for him then.

The Newbies:
Miri: I really have no idea on her. She seems honest enough in her posts and her reasons are about as good as mine sometimes. Not saying that means anything but she does seem to be more innocent than guilty.

Beregond(because I honestly forget which nickname we decided on): Has been very active, but then sort of stayed out of things recently. I should check the admin thread incase it was just some sort of RL business but it seems odd. Also voted Mac twice.

People I played with before:
Agan: I really have no idea on her. She seems to do a lot of analysis on other players and seems to be finding things, but I really don’t know about her intentions. She doesn’t strike me as wholly innocent, but I really don’t have that much else on her. She could be completely innocent or could not be.

Menel: Has disappeared. It could be a good way for a wolf/wraith to win. Stay away. And, well, he’s been doing IC posts pretty much the whole time. With the *hics* and such. Not sure what to make of that. And he was for believing Brinn as the Seer.


The other four:
Legate: I really have no idea about him at all. I can’t really read him. I want to say that I found something that points to either his guilt or that he's innocent, but I only get a feeling in his posts. Nothing more than that. He didn’t vote Day 2 and supported Lommy fully for being Seer. This is either very intelligent wolf/wraith behavior or just a really self assured innocent.

Nerwen: Also didn’t vote Day 2. Has been also sort of absent from play. Interestingly enough, at least by using Rikae’s amazing chart, she has the almost the same(difference on how much each supported Lommy) statistics as Legate. Not sure if that means anything more than she just happened to not be able to vote one Day and she thought the first revel was better.

Rune: I know he’s not dead. It was a slip. As for his role, I have no idea. He seemed a little off with his opposition to lynching Fea Day 2 and voted the same way she did. He also picked a fight with Brinn and one with Miri. Either it’s his wolfish/wraithish way of trying to disassociate with the others(though not sure about Miri) or he just likes to do that. Either way I don’t like it.

Greenie/Lily(?): Seems more innocent to me. Apparently Brinn was nonwolfish towards her. I really have nothing much else to say but that I’m sorry if this is a longer post than you would like.

I also don’t think I’ve mentioned how much I want to thank Rikae for the awesome chart. Even though when I saw it I was like “CHART?!” It really helped.

[Mirandir]

All right, I'm here. Shocked (and none too thrilled) to be awake this early on a Sunday, but here. However, I have to go play with clay (oh the difficult life I lead :rolleyes:) and it is Super Bowl Sunday so I probably won't be around much until work later. I'll try to check in periodically though.

I also don’t think I’ve mentioned how much I want to thank Rikae for the awesome chart. Even though when I saw it I was like “CHART?!” It really helped.

And the sad thing is, I can hear your voice in my head saying it. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm... Rikae suspected Mira as being an "under-radar-flying" Wolf, saying that she and the known Wolves more or less ignored each other. Fair enough behavior for a newbie Wolf, although - now I don't know what are the specifics of Mira's behavior - but at least from my personal experience, even newbie Wolves tend to know that it is not that good idea not to say anything about other Wolves. Although it's true that Mira is very hardly around at all - or being significant in any more important way.

Then she mentioned Mac, as we know, suspecting him as a Cobbler... but okay, now I am looking for a Wraith, so let's leave that (and otherwise about possible connection of Mac and the kill, see my previous post. To add something to that, or make clear what I also thought of back there: it is possible that the Wolves thought they could get rid of Rikae so that she does not continue her campaign against Mac, if they also thought Mac is a Cobbler. On the other hand, like I said above, it could be a thing the Wolves thought of to incriminate Mac further by making us think exactly what I just said. Though, that would depend on the nature of the Wolves, and actually thinking of it now, the first possibility seems more likely to me. If it played any role at all).

Then she mentions me, but I won't of course comment on that.

Then she mentions some Aganzir... but quite neutral-ishly... anyway... this sort of "neutral" people would have been the best ones to get rid of her (except for Agan that would be Rune, Menel, Lari, let's say), as she does not overtly suspect them (so that they cannot be immediately suspected from targeting her because of wanting to get rid of her so that she does not suspect them anymore), but at the same time, they won't lose that strong vote of somebody who thinks them innocent (as she doesn't mark them as "green" rightaway). It might be very likely for at least one of the Wolves being here, among those - but that of course depends a lot on the mentality of the Wolves as a group (or rather, pair, in the current situation).

Also, one note to those who use Rikae's list - let us not forget that the earlier events listed there from early Days do not affect Frodo: his behavior from first Days might have been innocentish. Frodo is likely somebody who was lying low for the beginning, in hope the Wolves don't notice him, and now he is lying low again, hoping the Innocents don't lynch him (or at least avoiding suspicion, now).

So... interesting in any case. I need to sort my thoughts, but I'd be happy to see anybody around posting.

EDIT: x-ed with Mira

[A Little Green]

First: why her and not Mac: simple. I find it likely that the Wolves took Mac as being protected toNight, and instead of risking the loss of a kill, they decided to keep him for later and attack somebody else. Also, there's been some controversy (coming mainly from the dead one herself) around Mac being a Cobbler or whatnot, which may have played its role as well.That sounds reasonable but for one thing - the ranger didn't protect Lommy the night after her reveal, which means basically that s/he assumed the wolves would assume that s/he'd protect Lommy and decide not to attack her. And if they assume they can't get the Seer then who would the wolves target if not Mac the known innocent (unless he's Ferny)? It's quite logical (at least in some sense) that Mac was already protected that Night which would leave him defenceless last Night. That, in turn, leads to the question of why he was not killed toNight since the wolves (if they reason the way I do) had reason to assume he was not being protected last Night.

According to this logic, it looks very possible that Mac is Ferny. I don't know - he hasn't seemed like that to me. Then, of course, it's possible that the wolves do not reason the way I do or else that my reasoning is faulty in some way.


EDIT: x-ed with Miri and Leggy

[Aganzir]

Somehow I'm not surprised Mac is still alive. Did you forget to send your name to the wolves? :Merisu::p

Also would be an easy kill, especially if the wolves/wraiths were inexperienced.
What do you mean? That Mac would be an easy lynch? What does it have to do with the wraiths being inexperienced?

Well, that's not to say that Rikae wouldn't have been an easy kill either, considering her banter with Sally yesterDay.
Well I don't know. She was generally considered quite innocent I think, and at least when I read through the day, the banter didn't make me suspect her more.

I think Rikae was the only one who found Legate somewhat suspicious. I wonder if a wolfish Legate could have killed her so as to avoid attention. Hmm I might want to take a look at Legate at some point today.
Also, if Mac is the cobbler, the wraiths might have thought the chances that he's not lynched are better if Rikae is dead.

I don't really know what that means, maybe that he's more innocent than not because he thinks that Brinn is on "our side".
If he's a wolf, he was being very bold. I think that looks more like a cobblerish remark. Unfortunately we don't have too many days to check out possible cobblers as time is running out.

Legate's post is creepy. Why are you so sure Mac is not the cobbler? It looks like you are protecting him.

**

Okay yesterday.

It was not that it was more her first post I didn't like and Nog's comment about her statement your vote that had me suspicious. Both of those things, and since both were mentioned I thought that was the best way to put it. And what Miri said.
Then it would have been better to repeat just those things. Otherwise one might expect you suspected her also of voting me, being the most sneaky you could find &c (I'm too lazy to check the other things she was suspected of)...

And Sally left out Lommy in her list on Day 1. I wasn't the only one.
But you left out a wolf, which, according to my logic, means you couldn't be a wolf then as you wouldn't forget a fellow. Even if you had accidentally erased her name when copy-pasting.

Initial wishywashy reaction to Lommy vs. Brinn looks bad.
I trusted Lommy all along but found it amusing that Brinn's reveal looked more gifted-ish than hers.

I'm very much puzzled by Aganzir's insisting that I'm evil.
Honestly Mac I'm sorry I find you suspicious every time! Guess if I like it myself. I hate obsessing about just a few people but I can't help it.
But Barney Ferny... Doesn't it sound good?

The fact that she's laughing at the idea of me being Ferny. Why is that idea funny - unless you know better?
That's pretty far-fetched.

What was THAT???!!!
:D I interpreted it like there's still enough of us innocents... But it could also be interpreted the other way.

**

I've reached the point of being paranoid about everyone.

Where's Berry?
And where's Nerwen? I hope she's alright - I wouldn't like to be in Victoria right now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

According to this logic, it looks very possible that Mac is Ferny. I don't know - he hasn't seemed like that to me. Then, of course, it's possible that the wolves do not reason the way I do or else that my reasoning is faulty in some way.
Or that they would expect you to think the way you do, and do that to incriminate Mac in your eyes, like I said. But yes, both of these are possible. For myself, I can't say for sure which of these alternatives is more likely.

All right. I have looked through the posts of Rune and Nerwen and overall, those two seem to me as innocent. Or at least on the earlier Days (some Frodo here is not impossible, although I won't see Rune as Frodo either. Nerwen, perhaps...)

I will probably try to continue with looking on people's older posts...

EDIT: x-ed with Agan

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Why are you so sure Mac is not the cobbler? It looks like you are protecting him.

Am I?

But I never said I am sure Mac is not the cobbler. I am pretty certain I didn't (for I never was sure about that). But I was always saying - that is not our concern now, he is innocent (in the sense: not a Wraith. He may be Ferny, but for our purposes, now, still, we need to concern ourselves primarily with Wraiths, and only later with Macs or Fernys).

[Aganzir]

But we don't have enough time to ignore the cobbler! If we don't lynch a wraith or Ferny today or tomorrow, they're probably going to win.

[Lariren Shadow]

There is also the possiblity that Rikae's death sort of implicates Rune(for those of us who also look at the admin thread). Which either means the wolves/wraiths wanted to implicate him or, like what Greenie said, they thought Mac was protected and went for Rikae. Also, they could have been thinking that Rikae was going to die today anyway(some people might have been miffed by the conversation last night and wanted to lynch her on purpose)...I honestly have no idea where this thought was going.:rolleyes:

Anyway, there's no harm in looking at Rikae's chart for clues. But there is a higher probablity that a wolf/wraith is considered more innocent by her than not.

Edit: x-posted since 931

[Lariren Shadow]

What do you mean? That Mac would be an easy lynch? What does it have to do with the wraiths being inexperienced?

Because he was dreamed innocent. If the wolves/wraiths didn't think he was Ferny or that they had no idea who Ferny was, someone relativley new could have though he was the best kill.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But we don't have enough time to ignore the cobbler! If we don't lynch a wraith or Ferny today or tomorrow, they're probably going to win.

I know that. But I hope us to get a Wraith now. There's a long time yet till tomorrow.

There is also the possiblity that Rikae's death sort of implicates Rune(for those of us who also look at the admin thread).

Why?

[Aganzir]

Because he was dreamed innocent. If the wolves/wraiths didn't think he was Ferny or that they had no idea who Ferny was, someone relativley new could have though he was the best kill.
That would mean both wolves are relatively new which I find rather unlikely.

I know that. But I hope us to get a Wraith now. There's a long time yet till tomorrow.
I hope so, too, but if we don't & have a reason to assume we won't do it tomorrow, either, I think our only sensible option is to lynch Mac. Unless he's wolf-killed, which I doubt.

[Lariren Shadow]

He was angry about the bantering and thought that both should be punished. If the wolves/wraiths were thinking really really intricatly then killing Rikae to get him would be a possibility.

He is also yellow on Rikae's chart of colors and it is commented that his fight with Brinn could have been wolf-on-wolf.

Plus Sally did the song "Hey Rune".

[Aganzir]

If the wolves/wraiths were thinking really really intricatly then killing Rikae to get him would be a possibility.
I can't see how they could think that way. It sounds rather far-fetched.
This comment reminds me pretty much of Brinn's "maybe they killed Nog because they thought he was Frodo" - a slip from the nightly chat.

[Lariren Shadow]

Or I could just be trying to think why Rikae died. And who it might implicate. Which was me trying to fine someone who could be at all connected to her death.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

He was angry about the bantering and thought that both should be punished. If the wolves/wraiths were thinking really really intricatly then killing Rikae to get him would be a possibility.

He is also yellow on Rikae's chart of colors and it is commented that his fight with Brinn could have been wolf-on-wolf.

Plus Sally did the song "Hey Rune".

But that would be a very weird reasoning. And people don't even think about it like that - unless you were the Wolf and thought that, which I now think unlikely, and also, the other Wolf would have to be either Mira or good old Mohandas Karamchand*, which is... well, not completely unlikely, but pretty much on the edge.

I would hope to read something from those folks toDay - and also Menel seems to be away, that's another one I would like to hear, but alas, that has to wait until toMorrow, if I understood correctly to what he said on the admin thread.

* (For those who could be confused, I mean: Beregond. I didn't knew there were Hindus in Minas Tirith anyway - I always thought Ghan-Buri-Ghan was one, if there ever was any such in LotR at all.)

EDIT: x-ed with Agan&Lari

[Lariren Shadow]

Yes I know my logic is horrible and really, at times, only works in my own mind. I come up with more far-fetched things than most do. Simply a theory that I came up with.

And that is good to know about Beregond's nickname. I would also like to put in a new nickname for Miri: Stick.

[Beregond]

Beregond(because I honestly forget which nickname we decided on): Has been very active, but then sort of stayed out of things recently. I should check the admin thread incase it was just some sort of RL business but it seems odd. Also voted Mac twice.


Yeah, it's RL work and play, not wraith work. :p

Hope to catch up later this afternoon and tonight - I sincerely apologize. And I didn't think to write anything in the admin thread.

[A Little Green]

Which either means the wolves/wraiths wanted to implicate him or, like what Greenie said, they thought Mac was protected and went for Rikae.But that was not what I said - what I said was that according to my logic Mac wasn't protected last Night.

I'll be back to post and vote in a couple of hours, I dearly hope I get some clue as to what to do in the meanwhile...

[Lariren Shadow]

Yes, I think I messed up on the wording. I got through the sentence where you said Mac was protected instead of Lommy and then I think I got confused on the toNight stuff.

This is all also assuming that the Ranger isn't one of the absent few.

[A Little Green]

One more thing - I only just now noticed what Menel posted on the admin thread. That means I won't vote him toDay since it's not fair to vote him before he gets a chance to defend himself against what I accused him of.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have taken a look at our friend Gandhi-buri-Gandhi. (Ha! Should that be Gandhi-Berry-Gandhi, after all???)

I am not sure if he would be so bold as a newbie Wolf to react to Brinn, of all people, in his first post of all:
I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is."

And Brinn on him at the very beginning:
Beregond: How many nicknames does this poor guy have? I see some newbie-ish behaviour, but overall I think he's doing well for his first game. And I certainly won't underestimate the possibility of a newbie being a wraith.

I've lost count. Thank you! I feel terribly newbie-ish.
That does not look quite incriminating on first sight.

On Brinn and Sally, he is not very specific in his lists:
Brinn - tend to think she's innocent, but not wanting to underestimate
(...)
Sally, Fea, Lari, Mira - not making themselves suspicious
or
Brinn: the only thing about her is I didn't understand why she was so surprised when Fea (and myself) commented about Rikae. Besides this incident, I'm not sure where Brinn stands. I'm going to be watching her, but she's safe for now because I don't have much to go on.
(...)
Sally: didn't post enough today.

In general, nothing concrete against them. Now that might be a reason - a newbie Wolf trying not to say anything concrete about his packmates. But then, again, he is generally very... well, indecisive, or how to say that, about people.

Also, his going for Mac on the first two Days, and in fact, he stated, he wanted to go for him even on the third, look innocentish - as if a (newbie) innocent suspected a person. His vote for Fea troubles me a little, it could have been hiding something in the general frenzy. But as a Wolf, he really gained nothing by that - unless he was planning to save Mac, a possible Cobbler ally.

He also had some exchange with Brinn concerning Rikae's "Seer revelation", however, it was Brinn who started it, not him. A newbie Wolf would hardly have started that, but Brinn could - to sort of put in order (and "interrogate" him before somebody else does that, which might have been more dangerous) the newbie Wolf who made a mistake by concerning himself too much with Rikae's revealing joke.

My question would be - what was Brinniel (the known Wolf, let's bear in mind!) following by this? By initiating this talk, I mean? As it didn't seem like incriminating Beregond, or was it?

He was for lynching Brinn instead of Sally... it looks like he came to that via his own thinking process, on the run, so to say... (as he was first going for sally, but later he joined the cause for Brinn in its very beginning, before more people even started to support voting Brinn).

And:

This must be one of those clues Brinn indicates she left.

That could be an attempt from a Wolf to defend the Seerishness of a fellow Wolf, but I tend to doubt it. Wouldn't it be a bit weird and, well, dangerous? Not very comfortable for either of them...

All in all, I am inclined to see him as likely innocent, and very likely not like Frodo, either (Frodo would have been more careful, I believe. Also, generally thinking, I am not sure if the Wolves would have picked Beregond as a target, of all people, unless they thought he is Frodo - which he seemingly, again, isn't - or does not make that impression, I'd think).

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot. With voting Mac first, he was jumping on the existing suspicion, but then again, he was not alone who thought that, not at all... and at the time Durelin was being voted for, it would have been perhaps easier for a newbie Wolf to go with the flow and vote Durelin, yet he decided to vote for Mac - who was likewise innocent (as we now know as well). So, again, not sure if a Wolf would do that...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Plus Sally did the song "Hey Rune".

Many women have sung about me, I am special that way.

One more thing - I only just now noticed what Menel posted on the admin thread. That means I won't vote him toDay since it's not fair to vote him before he gets a chance to defend himself against what I accused him of.

At this stage in the game I think you should vote for you prime suspect, unless of course there is not chance at all to get them lynched.

So I hope you find another top suspect during this day. . .

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I never really saw my self as being incrimidated by Rikae's death, she never voiced more than a moderate suspicion of me and that is to be expected. Personaly I viewed it as another relatively safe kill.
Why Rikae and not Mac?
Well, there are plenty about who suspects Mac of being Ferny, maybe the wraiths are simply waiting for us to kill him. . .if he is Ferny, then why would they want him dead?
I won't write of the posibility that they might just make sure that they did not vaste a vote, it seems plausible enough. Even if they did not wait with going after Thinlo, but she was the seer and it was worth risking to loose a kill, when the alternative was to let her get an extra dream.

EDIT: Cross posted with Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, now, if I recapitulate the stage in which I am now:

I think our Wolf (at least the one who wasn't Frodo at first) isn't:

Beregond
Rune
- for both, see my recent "excavations"

(though I think they are not even Frodo, at least those two. Bere the most.)

I think our Wolf rather isn't:
Nerwen - same as above
A Little Green - from before. She still seems innocentish to me.

I would be inclined to believe our Wolf isn't:
Lariren Shadow - After reading her posts... well, her style is consistent (doesn't look like Frodo coming here, not very openly, at least), and what Rikae says about her, when checking some of her posting for myself, for example this interaction with Brinn and Sally really looks un-wolfy.

I know our Wolf isn't:

Macalaure - he may be a Cobbler, but now that aside...

Oh my. And here it comes. That leaves me with:

Mirandir
Aganzir
Meneltarmacil

Great. Fantastic. Absolutely brilliant :rolleyes: I am mainly referring to Aganzir there. Because I really can never discern whether she is not a Wolf. I never have any proofs. Of course not. And very often she just is. Eeeeek... Sally, Brinn... Agan? What kind of a village would that be... again?

As for Menel, think, like LG does as well, I am not voting him toDay. He is not around. I got mostly innocentish feeling from him this far, but again, with little posting, you get little. Mira... looked innocentish to me in some aspect, but... not really in any significant way. I have to go through her posts. She could also be a good Frodo, in my opinion.

[A Little Green]

At this stage in the game I think you should vote for you prime suspect, unless of course there is not chance at all to get them lynched.True - but on the other hand I don't want to vote him before he has had a chance to respond because it is possible he has reasonable explanations for what I found wraith-ish about him.

Like I believe I said earlier toDay my guess the two wolves (or at least one) hide among the following four: Lari, Miri, Nerwen and Menel. Since I don't have enough (be it for their innocence or against it) on Miri and Nerwen I wouldn't want to vote either of them. I already said why I won't vote Menel. That would leave Lari, but I don't think I'm comortable with voting her either... :confused:


EDIT: x-ed with the Silli of Amon Lanc

[A Little Green]

++ Lari

See reasoning in my earlier posts.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmph. Lari. Had it not been for what Rikae pointed out (these interactions of her and the known Wolves), and some general style of sometimes posting things I believe a Wolf wouldn't say (too controversial or such), I would be willing to give it a shot... as there are things that unsettle me about her... but then, there are really lots of things against it. I would be as much more likely to try Mira...

*goes to check some old posts again*

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have gotten a good feel from the posts of Lari today so I am not too keen on voting for her. . .not that she is a person that stands out as innocent.

What I noticed the most was when she mentioned my comments on the admin threat, as a possible reason for the wraiths desition to kill Rikae. . . . but that did not make her seem guilty, it just made me think. Because generally what is said on the admin threat should not be used to get people lynched in game.

My problem is that not much have happened today and the few people I had suspicions towards are already dead.

[Aganzir]

I don't have enough energy for a massive analysis so this will do.

I must repost this because I find it amusing.
Thus far. However I find it quite possible the wraiths will learn Ferny's identity soon enough as xe can give them xer opinions etc. Plus, if the wraiths attack the Ring-bearer they get a fourth member to their team. In the worst case there might sooner or later be five baddies around.
Well, there is still enough of us for the time being.
It would be rather lousy from a Legwolf to make a slip like that so I assume he meant "enough of us innocents."

**
Here's Legate's cobbler talk on day 1.
Although it makes little sense, if there are let's say one Wolf and one ordo and the Informer remaining, and they are to vote, the Informer would of course vote for the ordo.
Well figured.
No, no, no. If you notice any Ferny, you should just ignore him, because his purpose is to make mess. We should go after the Wraiths, not Ferny.
What Legate is suggesting here is that Ferny should be ignored long, so long his vote actually matters. He should not be paid any attention to, we should just ignore him.
Great. So what shall we do with you now, Mac? Especially if the RW's get your name tonight. Which of course, the normal villagers won't know, but if the RW's see "Mac" tonight, they know who their informer is. A great way to do that. Fantastic, as the villagers won't be there to see it, thus have no evidence against you.
This couldn't possibly be any more blatant. First Mac suggested the cobbler could send his own name to the wraiths. Legate was kind of a bit suspicious of him because of it, but said this. It looks like he thought Mac was the cobbler and wanted to ensure he'd do what he had promised to do. It's written in a sarcastic tone, but words like great and fantastic can be interpreted also in another way.
Well, but thinking of it, if the Wraiths don't get Mac's name today, then they are clear he is not the Informer. Or from another point of view, if he is not, then the real informer would be silly - after what's been said now - to send Mac's name to the Wraiths. Whereas, great. He could send them his name and they'll be clear.
Here he wants to make sure that if Mac is not the cobbler, the real cobbler doesn't send in his name just for fun.

I didn't even pay attention to these comments when I read them on day 1 but now that I went through Legate's posts, they look really fishy.

**

I wonder what to make of Legate writing twice Barney instead of Barliman. Both times, he was talking about Frodo and "Barney's" ability to tell about xem to the ranger.

Legate suggested that Frodo should not reveal unless xe is under direct threat of dying. That would be a very convenient way for a wolf to react to talks about Frodo's possible reveal.

On day 1 Legate didn't have any idea about sally nor Brinn. He was still wondering about Mac, although he was worried it might become a bandwagon. He voted Mac, only for the Ferny thing.

**

After missing day 2, on day 3, Legate didn't find Brinn suspicious and said sally looked a bit weird at times but he couldn't define her better. He thought Mac could be a wraith, and said that a wolf would like to keep Ferny around as long as possible without overtly defending xem. This of course means Legate can't be a wolf as he's accusing Mac, the likely cobbler.

Anybody cares to tell me what is so suspicious about Brinn, except the fact that she's been a succesful wolf in some of the past games?
Hehe this reminds me of Greenwolf's first game: "Could someone tell me what's so suspicious about morm!?!?!?" :)

He was a major contributor in Fea's lynching. Also, he's been seemingly convinced Mac was a wraith. He voted for Fea, saying
please, do not attempt to vote somebody else again just for the sake of preventing a bandwaggon against her. We know how it ended yesterDay.
Let's see how the voting looked like then. Legate gave Fea her fourth vote, sally had one. So, in other words: "Don't vote sally, bandwagons are bad and will make me suspect you!"

I'm not even halfway through his posts and I'm getting tired. *goes to make some tea*

I don't like Legate's way of reacting to Lommy's reveal.
And now Lommy says Mac is innocent. Okay.
It's like "Oops, I can't suspect him anymore." However the most interesting thing is that he had been consistently suspicious of Mac being a wraith, but now he didn't even seem to pay a thought to the possibility of him being Ferny. He said Mac looked still horribly sinister, but he was a known innocent now etc.
Okay, he mentioned the idea of Mac being Ferny, but that was probably more due to the general pressure as Rikae and me were quite inclined to think so. He never pursued the idea any further, though.

Legate was also quick to encourage the idea of sally being Frodo. I'm rather sure sally pretended to be the RB just so the real RB wouldn't be looked for, and it was certainly in the wraiths' interests to make us believe she was Frodo. Legate came up with elaborate explanations as to why we should believe sally. Is it too obvious to be wolfish? I don't think so, as back then there was no guarantee her exact role would be revealed to the seer / even in lynching.

Legate has been wrong pretty much and pretty loud, and he's cursed his bad luck in this game several times. Someone said admitting his mistakes made Mac looked more innocent. Legate seems to be trying to do the same.

**

Okay day 5. Legate is calling Mac a known innocent. He's flip-flopping on him quite a lot. A while later he makes wishy-washy statements like sometimes it looks like Mac is Ferny, sometimes not, it's possible he isn't, lynching him should be done very late if at all because the cobbler counts as an ordo &c. So what? It's not going to help us when he can use his vote against us if left alive. According to Legate, the cobbler is not a very big threat unless he knows more than us. What makes you so sure he doesn't? I'm quite convinced the wraiths & Ferny know of each other - they are plain dumb if they haven't found a way to communicate the information that is so important to them.

Legate suggests leaving Mac alive also because he believes he'll be night-killed. I'm not so sure. If Mac is the cobbler, the wolves certainly know about it. It doesn't matter that he's a known so-called innocent. He works as a distraction - see, here we are, talking about him and arguing if he should be lynched, when we should be looking for wolves.

In #757 Legate makes a list. He seems to trust Greeny the most, which I find odd, given that she's probably my best bet for the RB.
It's enough for him that Mac is not a wraith - he's in Legate's I tend to trust category. No it isn't enough! If you trust the cobbler, you trust a person who's deliberately giving false information and twisting things, and therefore contribute to our loss.
Also, the people he's more or less suspicious are Berry (seems like an innocent newbie. Sometimes looks like could be a wolf newbie), Rune (sometimes okay, sometimes a question mark of wolfishness - erm, what do you mean with the question mark of wolfishness?) and Menel (thought he was innocent up until reading Greeny's analysis, now should reevaluate). I find Berry pretty innocentish and I don't really understand where Legate is coming from. Don't understand his reasons for suspecting Rune, either. On the contrary, I think Rune's interaction with Brinn & sally should make him look more innocent. His Menel suspicion is the weirdest of them all, though. It's so convenient. Like "Yeah he looked innocent but now that you say it, Greenie, he could actually be suspicious! I should probably start suspecting him and get him lynched so we'll win!" It's... scary. Okay, I admit Menel looks suspicious, but I'm more worried about Greeny.
One of the reasons I find his list suspicious, though, is that I disagree with it so much. His opinions are almost the opposite to mine so I find it difficult to believe he's innocent.

**

Today Legate suggests that Mac wasn't killed because the wolves thought he was protected. He barely even mentions that he might be alive because he's the cobbler. He also says that Rikae might have been killed to incriminate an innocent Mac, but admits it looks weird. I don't think it matters much that he admitted it himself - he brought it up in the first place, and even if people don't automatically assume it's so, they might subconsciously remember it and feel better about Mac because of it. You know, in the end we are a mindless herd. If someone says something, we're prone to agree with it, and if someone with as much authority as Legate says Mac is innocent, it is not surprising if people start thinking the same.

In his opinion, we don't need to busy ourselves with Ferny yet. Not true. There's so little time left that unless we have very good reasons to assume someone's a wolf tomorrow, we should lynch Mac. Really. Remember this even if I'm not alive tomorrow. Otherwise they are going to win.
There's a long time till tomorrow, says Legate. Nope. It's too close.

Hmm today he was ready to label two of the people he had wondered about yesterday (Berry & Rune) innocent. Also Greenie still seems innocentish to her. Well not to me. Mac "may be a cobbler, but now that aside." I really don't like how he downplays Mac! So, he's left with Mira, me, or Menel being wolves. What do you mean I'm a wolf very often? I haven't been since Dueling Wizards where I did really really lousily.

**

Rikae was the first to suspect Legate even a little. Somehow I wouldn't be very surprised if she had been killed because of it - better to remove a threat as long as it's still small. It would just fit a Legatewolf who wants to survive.

**

As for Legate's connections with the two known wolves... Brinn said she wouldn't vote him on day 1 as he got lynched early last game, sally didn't mention him on her list of players (which was very rough, though, and excluded several other players as well). She didn't plan to vote him, either, though.

On day 2 Brinn said he seemed sensible but careful, sensible could mean evil, nothing particularly suspicious yet would like to keep an eye on him. Watching. Her comment looked like it could be wolf-on-wolf. The same continues on day 3 when Brinn says the tone of his posts is innocentish, but she doesn't really like how quickly he concludes both Fea & Mac are baddies. Still watching.

And that's all until Lommy's reveal. They're keeping a good enough distance and their opinions on each other don't reveal much.

**

Based on this Legate is probably the most suspicious person I can see. He also manages to look quite innocentish at times, what with accusing Mac so strongly, but he's certainly bold enough to sacrifice his fellows and/or the cobbler to ensure his own survival.

The worst things have to do with Mac, though. Legate's cobbler talk on day 1 is outrageously suspicious because it looks so much like he's giving advice to the cobber. Also, the way he treats Mac now is really strange. He's downplaying him all along although he knows Ferny's survival will result in our loss.

**

Okay I'm obsessing about Mac again... Really badly. There's still a chance, however slim, that he is not the cobbler.

I know I've xed a lot, I'll comment on those things soon.

So much for a non-massive analysis...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I said something about Lari...

... but as I read through the first Day, Lari was really doing things a Wolf might possibly do... with the voting... it is possible Sally managed to vote just a few moments before her, which meant for Lari-wolf that she does not have to pick her vote in order to save Brinn? She said (if we are going to believe her) that she wanted to vote Lommy (but reconsidered after Mac has been voted for, since she thought there are double lynches possible), which happened at the time there were three leading subjects with equal votes: Mac, Lommy and Brinn. Sally voted Mac, saying she wants to preserve rather the latter two...

Also, Sally first questioned Lari's vote as "coming out of nowhere" (as it really was), after Lari saying "see above", she said "okay" and dropped the matter. But when somebody again brought up the fact that the vote is weird (this time because it was throwaway), Sally came again saying that she was about to say that. Doesn't it look weird? Perhaps, like a Wolf-Sally trying to keep her look as a "sensible player", questioning things which simply are weird and cannot be ignored, but at the same time not wishing to go against a fellow Wolf too sharply, unless other people do?

Also, whatever I was doing, I could not find her suspicions for Lommy before her first list, even though there, she says she suspects her "for reasons stated above", and later even says she wanted to vote her.

Looking through the first Day, also, Mira says something there which makes her look rather better for me - she criticises the sudden retractions for Gollum and talks about that there with Brinn; that looks un-wolfy to me (though Mira still could be Frodo). Sally quotes that and agrees on that later (though just agrees that "it is madness" or something of that sort), and on the second Day, Lari, in one of her first posts, criticises this retracting as well. Perhaps the Wolves had a moot overnight, where they agreed that "hey, Brinn, you look suspicious, it is possible you may go toMorrow, we shall all rather distance ourselves from you and also from the retracting, just like sally did". That could make good sense.

Lari marks also Sally and Brinn as innocent on the next Day. All right. I am not sure what to make of her flip-flop on Lommy (one Day she would vote her, she says; another she thinks her innocent). Her Durelin vote is quite weird, too.

And now, darn it, am I silly? The only thing Rikae had against her and Brinn being together was that she left her out of one list. I mistook the posts where they interact in an un-wolfish way with the ones about Nerwen! I should really post just when focused properly. Okay, now, that makes it even better...

I really start to consider Lari. I would say that some of these her posts today are what seems more genuine - these of toDay, in particular, these incriminating Rune things and such... the point is, I cannot imagine her doing these things deliberately, like, I mean, pretending them. They must be genuine, because they make no sense. Just like this thing of her leaving Brinn out of her list of people on Day 1. She explained that, whether we believe her or not is a different thing; but it is a bit too controversial, again, not careful for a Wolf. Though, who knows?

Lari, you have played once already, haven't you?

EDIT: x-ed with Agan. Haha! Now what was that... :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The people that worries me the most right now is Beregond, Nerwen and Menel, all people whom I do not notice in the debates. Not only because they are bereft of internet acces, but also because there is noting that makes my eyes widen in their posts. I would feel best with lynching one of them, but it seems like such an easy and fruitless way out. So from the look of things I will have to make a hard decition and vote for Lari or Mira, which I have at times found wraith-like. Of course I could also vote for Legate, Aganzir or Greenie, but I really need another day to analyse their doings. I think the three of them look good, but I fear it might be like in FotR and that they should look fouler.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, good thing Rikae took the heat off the actual Ranger last night.

I'm actually glad i *hic* mished the *hic* banter lasht time. Shhuch thingsh make my head hurt.

I don't have a lot of time, sho I'll jusht vote now, retracting if *hic* necceshary.

++Mirandir

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why do you vote for Mirandir, any reason at all?

[Beregond]

I'm trying to read and respond while watching the Super Bowl, but I'm being bothered, giving me a headache and making it impossible to concentrate. :( I'm here and reading though.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, now, if Agan's analysis made me think anything, it's that she is innocent.

So it's Lari, Mira, or (in brackets as I would like to hear more from him) Menel.

And if you are innocent, Agan, trust me that I am not stupid.

Okay, now let's see if I can reply to some of Agan's countless questions when I am at it...
I wonder what to make of Legate writing twice Barney instead of Barliman. Both times, he was talking about Frodo and "Barney's" ability to tell about xem to the ranger.

And what do you think you should make out of it?

Legate suggested that Frodo should not reveal unless xe is under direct threat of dying. That would be a very convenient way for a wolf to react to talks about Frodo's possible reveal.
We are again at this topic, what more, it's a dead topic now (or rather, undead topic). So let's not start on that, sufficient to say, this is what I think is (or was) best for the innocents. I said it dozen times: Frodo should stay put, if he thinks he's under a threat, reveal. What you suggested on first Days seemed like much worse plans to me. But that's a difference of opinions, I believe.

However the most interesting thing is that he had been consistently suspicious of Mac being a wraith, but now he didn't even seem to pay a thought to the possibility of him being Ferny. He said Mac looked still horribly sinister, but he was a known innocent now etc.
Okay, he mentioned the idea of Mac being Ferny, but that was probably more due to the general pressure as Rikae and me were quite inclined to think so. He never pursued the idea any further, though.

Oh but I did, and I think I even said that, even after that. Certainly, I was among the first ones to think Mac is a Cobbler on the first Days. However, I will repeat it again, he is a mere Cobbler (and we are not even completely sure about that). Not a Wraith.

Legate was also quick to encourage the idea of sally being Frodo.

Yep, after reading her post, it seemed logical to me, I thought the way she revealed was genuine. I compared it to other things and it seemed to make sense to me. Of course, it was proven to be otherwise.

It's enough for him that Mac is not a wraith - he's in Legate's I tend to trust category. No it isn't enough! If you trust the cobbler, you trust a person who's deliberately giving false information and twisting things, and therefore contribute to our loss.

Well, like I said, and especially back then, nobody made it sure that he actually is a Cobbler. This subsumed both the idea that he is a known innocent (non-Wraith) AND eventually, okay, he may be a Cobbler, but even that is not definite.

Well, good thing Rikae took the heat off the actual Ranger last night.

Could somebody translate the meaning of this to me, please??

And Menel, is that all you have to say? I, for one (and I believe there are others as well) hoped to see more from you, once you are here...

[Aganzir]

I try to divide people into just two categories now because I don't think I can afford any more Neithers.

Guilty
Lari. I still think she looks suspicious, and there were also some comments from today I was supposed to say something about. Oh yes her suggestions about why Mac is still alive & that Rikae's death implicates Rune are weird. However I don't know what to make of Legate's attack against her. I could vote for her today, but I'd rather vote Legate or Mac.
Legate. See my above post.
Mac. If you're innocent, let it be known that I'll eat my pretty hat. I'd rather lynch him before he manages to cause any serious harm.

In between
Greenie. She looks suspicious, although only after Frodo was turned. Just doesn't seem honest. Also, Legate finding her innocent doesn't make it any better.
Menel. I think Greenie's points against him were good, but since I'm more suspicious of her, I don't think I can judge him objectively. One of them could well be a wolf, though.

And Mira... Heck I've forgotten about her as I was not supposed to do! I really really don't know. Rikae suspected her quite a lot. I will probably have to do a bit more reading.

Innocent
Berry. Nothing alarming. He's been somewhat quiet lately, though.
Nerwen. I haven't paid much attention to her but she looks quite innocent.
Rune. I don't think he would have attacked a fellow / been attacked by a fellow like that. I won't exclude the possibility of him being Frodo, but actually out of people alive today, he looks the most innocent.

Anyway right now a Legate/Greenie couple :p seems quite possible to me. I could also vote for Lari... But the fact that both Greenie and Legate suspect her doesn't make me feel too good about it.

**

Rune: I know he’s not dead. It was a slip.
Ha! You know he's not dead but you know he's innocent? :p

At this stage in the game I think you should vote for you prime suspect, unless of course there is not chance at all to get them lynched.
Totally agreed. I don't think we can afford to be nice and wait - if you believe someone is a wolf, you should go with xem rather than your second-best suspect.
Unless it's all the same for you who dies.

[Macalaure]

Sorry for my absence so far toDay. At least I'll be here now probably up until the deadline.

*goes to read thread*

[Aganzir]

Menel, if you're around, you could as well reply to Greenie's accusations.

And what do you think you should make out of it?
I don't know. I wondered about it and decided to mention it although I have no idea if you were just sloppy or if it had a deeper meaning.

Certainly, I was among the first ones to think Mac is a Cobbler on the first Days. However, I will repeat it again, he is a mere Cobbler (and we are not even completely sure about that). Not a Wraith.
I think you suspected him of being a wraith, not the cobbler. And at this point it doesn't matter if he's a cobbler, not a wraith, he should die before he gets to help the wolves win.
Also, you suspected him really heavily back then. Now, it's likely he is the cobbler, but you don't care about him anymore. Why?

[Meneltarmacil]

Mostly, I considered Legate to be trustworthy based on his posts making sense to me throughout the game, and he had narrowed it down to either Aganzir or Mirandir. Agan had struck me as not really suspicious earlier this game, so I voted for Mirandir.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am about to colaps in front of the computer. . .so unless somebody comes up with a good case that I can join, I will be voting for Menel.

He often acts the way he has done so far and is what I would consider an easy victim, but I doubt I will be able to come up with anything right now.

I know he answered my question about why he voted the way he did, but it is the same kind of reasoning as always and it is almost impossible to analyze.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't know. I wondered about it and decided to mention it although I have no idea if you were just sloppy or if it had a deeper meaning.
It was a short nickname.

I think you suspected him of being a wraith, not the cobbler.
Oh yes, true. Well, anyway, I suspected him, and it just sort of swung into this.

Also, you suspected him really heavily back then. Now, it's likely he is the cobbler, but you don't care about him anymore. Why?

Well, it's just that I want to focus on the Wraiths right now. If you say I am silly by not giving any care to him, then I think you are silly by putting too much emphasis on him. But that's fine, I understand what you mean. However, just think of what I mean.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Mostly, I considered Legate to be trustworthy based on his posts making sense to me throughout the game, and he had narrowed it down to either Aganzir or Mirandir. Agan had struck me as not really suspicious earlier this game, so I voted for Mirandir.

Hmm, well, even if you are making that an easy basis for yourself (and I am honoured), you could have waited because as you see, I have reevaluated a bit. And in either case, I won't put that just on me, as even I could have made a mistake.

One question, Menel, for I am never capable to figure it out when you do things like that in games. Is it so that you were in some generally not-very-clearly-decided state and so then just adjusted your pick on whom to vote according to my suspect list?

[Aganzir]

It was a short nickname.
Which just happened to be the same as Mac's character name? :Merisu:

If you say I am silly by not giving any care to him, then I think you are silly by putting too much emphasis on him.
I can't for the life in me see why an innocent you would want to ignore the cobbler this late in the game.

Rune could you consider voting for Legate or Greenie? They are the people I'd prefer to see dead.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune could you consider voting for Legate or Greenie? They are the people I'd prefer to see dead.

I have been considering it for a few hours, but I really think that tomorrow will reveal alot to me about the 3 of you.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Which just happened to be the same as Mac's character name? :Merisu:
What? :eek:

Okay, honestly, I haven't thought about that :D


I can't for the life in me see why an innocent you would want to ignore the cobbler this late in the game.
I am not going to ignore him toMorrow. But of course the best thing to do now is to ignore him. Mac was not around all day, but he is here and hopefully will be posting. Don't you want to see what he will post?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

However, I am getting tired... But still, I would like to see at least something from Mac...

[Beregond]

I'm going to post what I have so far, and more later.

I don't know if Menel's lack of posting is a good reason to keep him safe. He hasn't posted much the whole game. Though he likely has a good reason, it's an excellent way to remain innocentish. I'm not saying he's guilty, just that we shouldn't let him off the hook for this reason.

Legate has written some excellent exposition throughout the game, and has remained innocent. He really hasn't given me a reason to suspect him. I'm more confident of his ordo-ness than of anyone elses at this point.

Rune has done a few things which seem to exonerate him. In post 927 Lari doesn't like how he opposed Fea's proposed lynching on day 2. Well, he turned out to be right about Fea, whatever his reasons. I don't have reason to suspect Rune at this point.

I still have suspicions of Mac as Ferny. But I'm trying to decide if it would be better to vote him now if so, or try for a possible wraith. At first I thought it made sense to go after wraiths, but now I'm not so sure.

Lari is making me wonder - the last few days she's seemed guilty. I'm considering voting for her, but I should read more first.

I don't know about Aganzir, Nerwen, or Greenie. Mira seems innocent to me.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Alright I will vote Greenie, although the look of her posts have been good, in the sense that she makes valid points. She could be a wraith anyway though she has been quite good at keeping friends with people and not attact to brutaly, but she has not been viewed as passive. . .It is what I would try as a wraith.

I am not convinced of her quilt, but I after much debating I decided that a wraith Menel would probably try harder. Anyways lets see where this goes.

++Greenie

[Aganzir]

What? :eek:

Okay, honestly, I haven't thought about that :D
Haha it was pretty amusing. :p

I am not going to ignore him toMorrow. But of course the best thing to do now is to ignore him. Mac was not around all day, but he is here and hopefully will be posting. Don't you want to see what he will post?
I certainly hope so. It'd be better if he was lynched tomorrow unless we can come up with someone whose guilt we are really sure about...
And what difference does it make if we see him post now? I know I can't trust him, anyway, so it doesn't matter - except that he can mislead some people.

[Aganzir]

Berry don't let Legate lead you. He can be pretty darn convincing if he wants to, and that's dangerous, especially as he is quite suspicious this time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I certainly hope so. It'd be better if he was lynched tomorrow unless we can come up with someone whose guilt we are really sure about...
And what difference does it make if we see him post now? I know I can't trust him, anyway, so it doesn't matter - except that he can mislead some people.

Yep. Well - he can mislead somebody nevertheless, now or later, if he is so, but I just wanted to see him post before I go, so that I can eventually react if he says something of concern. Or whatever. But doesn't matter.

*scratches head* I tend to believe that one Wraith is between Lari and Mira. Most likely.

But, in any case, I am really going for

++Lari

as for the reasons I stated above. And let us see if it can shed some light...

I will wait around yet, for a short while at least.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Berry don't let Legate lead you. He can be pretty darn convincing if he wants to, and that's dangerous, especially as he is quite suspicious this time.

:rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

Greenie: Lari
Menel: Mira
Rune: Greenie
Legate: Lari

Lari-2, Mira-1, Greenie-1

Six votes still to come.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah well... is there anybody around still? I am trying to use some of the time for doing whatever good things I can so late at night, but slowly I am getting exhausted. Is anybody going to post in some reasonable time?

[Aganzir]

I'm here and I'm just debating myself whether I should take a look at Greenie's posts now, but it's soon 4am so I don't know. However I don't have an exam tomorrow so I can sleep as long as I want to.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm here and I'm just debating myself whether I should take a look at Greenie's posts now, but it's soon 4am so I don't know. However I don't have an exam tomorrow so I can sleep as long as I want to.

Lucky you. But hey, I can do that too. (That looking at the posts.) Not sure how well I'll be able to do that at this hour, but at least briefly, once again...

[Macalaure]

That sounds reasonable but for one thing - the ranger didn't protect Lommy the night after her reveal, which means basically that s/he assumed the wolves would assume that s/he'd protect Lommy and decide not to attack her.

Keep in mind that the ranger might not have been able to protect her because he did so the night before. In that case, it is not clear whether the ranger protected me the night Lommy died, or, expecting Lommy to be dead by then, saved me for last night. It would be too cool, though, if the ranger could still protect me this night. *crosses fingers*


I see that Aganzir still continues to go after me. You're wasting effort you could use looking for wraiths, and I think you do it deliberately. You're even aware of it, as you stated several times. However, as you yourself said, just because somebody admits something, it doesn't make it better. I used to think it was just a quirk of yours to go after me no matter what, but now I'm starting to wonder whether there is some strategy behind it this time. I really hope I'll find time to have another look at you toDay at last.


I'd like to add my name to the list of people who think the way Lari goes after Rune is weird. She's confusing me and I don't know what to think of her anymore.


Now I reached Agan's analysis of Legate. Agan, if you're innocent, then you're really on a dangerous track toDay. Your assumption that I'm the cobbler leads you to assume that Legate is evil. I have the strong feeling this will end in the death of two innocents yet again. (It also reminds me of Legate's mad Day3 pursuit of Fea and me.) Snap out of it, please. You're too valuable to the village if objective.

If Mac is the cobbler, the wolves certainly know about it. It doesn't matter that he's a known so-called innocent. He works as a distraction - see, here we are, talking about him and arguing if he should be lynched, when we should be looking for wolves.

And who is talking about it most? :rolleyes:

It's enough for him that Mac is not a wraith - he's in Legate's I tend to trust category. No it isn't enough!

He said tend! Sheesh!

There's so little time left that unless we have very good reasons to assume someone's a wolf tomorrow, we should lynch Mac. Really.

This is wraith talk, or Ferny talk at the very least. Yes, I did say it myself that if I keep on staying alive you can just lynch me, but please, statements like these just encourage them to keep me alive and have you waste a lynch! You're preparing the field for it!

It would just fit a Legatewolf who wants to survive.

Is there a reason why would it fit a Legatewolf especially or is this a generic statement to make somebody look bad?


Menel keeps on baffling me.


And at this point it doesn't matter if he's a cobbler, not a wraith, he should die before he gets to help the wolves win.

Does it even occur to you anymore that I could be neither?? And in case you don't know, but the best way to not let any cobbler help the wolves win - is to lynch the wolves before s/he gets a chance to! If we're completely clueless one Day, it might be a reasonable idea to lynch a presumed cobbler, but on any other occasion, it's idiotic. If we lynch two wraiths, we win. If we lynch the cobbler and one wraith, we lose.


I still have suspicions of Mac as Ferny. But I'm trying to decide if it would be better to vote him now if so, or try for a possible wraith. At first I thought it made sense to go after wraiths, but now I'm not so sure.

Whether or not to lynch a known(!) cobbler is actually almost a philosophical question in WW. A cobbler counts as an innocent, so his life can even make the village win. Plus, lynching him means forgoing a chance to lynch a wraith. On the other hand, the cobbler has a vote, and that can mess up some things - especially late in the game. He can also prove to be somewhat of a distraction. Also, since the cobbler's knowledge is limited (and even though the wraiths might know his identity, I think it's very unlikely he knows all of theirs) his vote might unintentionally lynch a wraith.


A last thought about Aganzir: Would a wraith really be so determined to get a quasi-known innocent lynched? They would surely try it (and it's easy to do so right now, as it's reasonable to suspect me of cobblerdom, however slightly), but like this? The real cobbler, however, s/he could get the idea that getting me lynched is worth dying for. I really need a clearer picture of Aganzir.

[Aganzir]

Go ahead. Let's see if we reach the same conclusions. ;)

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, I've got more time to read over the thread now.

--Mirandir

I'll be back with my real vote, as that was simply a placeholder.

[Aganzir]

You're wasting effort you could use looking for wraiths, and I think you do it deliberately.
Nope I don't think I'm wasting anything, I've been making cases against people I find suspicious and just suspect you besides them.

Your assumption that I'm the cobbler leads you to assume that Legate is evil.
No again. Those two things just seem to back each other up. See, looking at day 1 he was behaving in a way that indicated he was a wraith talking to the presumed Ferny. That had nothing to do with you being or not being Ferny, it was the way he reacted to your Fernyish comments.

And who is talking about it most?
I wouldn't be if I didn't have a reason to.

He said tend! Sheesh!
Yeah he tends to trust the cobbler.

statements like these just encourage them to keep me alive and have you waste a lynch!
As if they didn't have a reason to keep you alive.

Is there a reason why would it fit a Legatewolf especially or is this a generic statement to make somebody look bad?
My thoughts ran along the lines of Legate killing the only person to suspect him that far. Yes it could look bad on him (as it did) but Rikae can be very persistent and therefore quite dangerous, as you should know.

Does it even occur to you anymore that I could be neither??
Yes for some reason it occurred to me you might not be a wolf... But I haven't considered for a while the possibility that you are actually an ordo. Your behaviour speaks for you.

And in case you don't know, but the best way to not let any cobbler help the wolves win - is to lynch the wolves before s/he gets a chance to!
Yes and I was saying that if we can't come up with any really good wraith suspects, we should lynch you! However I hope we've pinned at least one, if not the both, of them, so you need not worry. You'll survive but you're just going to lose. :p

A cobbler counts as an innocent, so his life can even make the village win.
No, the only thing that can make the village win is the death of the last wolf. The cobbler's life (and vote) can only help the wolves.

Also, since the cobbler's knowledge is limited (and even though the wraiths might know his identity, I think it's very unlikely he knows all of theirs) his vote might unintentionally lynch a wraith.
Poor cobbler! Did the wraiths see fit to keep him in the dark about things? :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I looked through LG's posts, fortunately there wasn't much. I won't go on lengths here, seeing Mac has posted, I will just finish this and go.

LG, from re-reading, looks perhaps more possibly sinister than I thought her before, she keeps Brinn & Sally mostly in a neutral or trusting zone, but then, she keeps most of the people there often. She could be downplaying suspicions of Brinniel:

Tell me about that - I have never in my ww career suspected Brinn, and yet last time we played together she was the wolf genius who cheated us all. So I know what you mean - but I don't think just the fact she feels okay is enough grounds for suspicion. It's certainly enough grounds for keeping an eye on her, but not for direct suspicion - and I can't believe the fact that she can be a very sneaky wolf is the only reason why she is suspected.

Yet that is something I thought as well, so I can't mark it as a wolfy thing, as anybody can do that, seemingly. She jumps on some Fea bandwaggon, that could be suspicious, and on the other Day she dismisses it with mentioning the main participants (me and Rikae) and that's it, mostly. But whatever. She believes Lommy rightaway (with a slight carefulness), but that was quite the most reasonable thing to do then anyway.

Besides that, I have mostly learned only how many name variants you can make out of one name, e.g. Lomzy, Lommins (sounds like Moomins), or from another name: Leggings, etc. Most impresive.

But overall. Not enough for me to suspect her, not to the point of voting her, for sure, or at least not now. There are moments where she seems really genuine, and I hope it being so.

That would be it for toDay from me. A few more minutes, and then I go to sleep. Bye.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right.

I am leaving.

Hope we lynch a Wraith toDay.

Hope the Village is full of intelligent innocents yet and will be so toMorrow yet. I trust that.

Ignore Cobblers for the rest of the Day.

Hope to see you later.

Good night.

[Macalaure]

My thoughts ran along the lines of Legate killing the only person to suspect him that far. Yes it could look bad on him (as it did) but Rikae can be very persistent and therefore quite dangerous, as you should know.

I know. You make it sound, however, as if this way of thinking is especially applicable to Legate. It is applicable to anybody and therefore generic and the usage of generic wraith accusations is suspicious to me.

Other than that, I give up on you. Keep on living in your own world. I just hope it won't be decisive in the end.

[Nerwen]

Hello, what's happening? I am posting this from a cafe- I won't have time to read everything and will have to vote in a hurry.

[Aganzir]

I know. You make it sound, however, as if this way of thinking is especially applicable to Legate. It is applicable to anybody and therefore generic and the usage of generic wraith accusations is suspicious to me.
It's just that Legate seemed to be the only person who hadn't been suspected at all throughout the game...

Other than that, I give up on you. Keep on living in your own world. I just hope it won't be decisive in the end.
Sorry, I really hate suspecting you like this every time. :( I just can't help it. But if you really turn out innocent in this game... Then I honestly promise to do something about it.

I'm going through Greenie's posts now and it's 5 am so I'm not going to stay here long after that.

edit: xed with Nerwen. Good to see you're back. :)

[Meneltarmacil]

I have finished evaluating Lari.

She does not give off any wraith-like vibes to me, at least not if I'm interpreting her posts correctly. While her attacks against Durelin may have been somewhat ill-founded, I believe that she perceived a reason for them, though a more seasoned player may not have been so alarmed. Also, I think I understand her reference to Saggitarius.

I'll post my thoughts on Greenie next.

[Aganzir]

lso, I think I understand her reference to Saggitarius.
Want to share it with us as well?

[Nerwen]

Okay. Rune was right about Brinniel, so for the moment I'll turst his judgement and vote

++A Little Green

also because she started talking about whether Lommy was Ferny after she revealed, which I found a little dubious at the time.

But this is just a placeholder vote and hopefully I will be home before the deadline and able to vote properly.

Sorry about my lack of participation yesterDay, but I just couldn't get to a computer.

[Meneltarmacil]

I find myself agreeing that Greenie is likely the Ringbearer, due to the fact that she frequently asked about the role on Day 1 and later, in a list of suspects, she frequently mentions things like "No bells ring."

My comment earlier regarding Rikae taking the heat off the actual ranger was due to the fact that during her banter yesterday, she jokingly claimed to be the ranger. It's possible the wraiths attacked her thinking she might be serious (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SarcasticConfession).

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, and

++A Little Green

[Aganzir]

On day 1 Greenie wondered if Frodo's role is revealed if xe gets lynched. She said it would sound ideal if no one discovered Frodo's identity, and we should concentrate on finding the wraiths, not the RB. She voted for Gollum as she felt the worst about him.

On day 2 she accused Nog of making the day 1 votes such an issue. I can agree with her, Nog was strange. In #247 she thought Brinn looked innocent and had no read on sally. The whole list was quite close to my own opinions.
Brinn found her suspiciously careful & was worried about her. I don't think she would've treated a fellow who wasn't suspected almost at all like that.
She voted for Nog, which is alright with me.

Greenie started to get a bad feeling about Lari on day 3. Me too. She still found Brinn okay & had no read on sally. Voted Fea. Understandable.

Then day 4, after Frodo was turned.

Greenie said that the easiest thing to do about the Fea bandwagon would be to look at the people who were for it the most, ie Rikae and Legate, but she expressed doubts about a wolf being so loudly for an innocent's lynching. She added that we should look for people who go with the flow.
As for Frodo, she said it's important we compare people's posts to their posts on the previous days.

I'm still uncomfortable with the way Greenie says she believes Lommy's claim. She repeats things - says twice she's inclined to believe Lommy's claim for now, with almost exactly the same phrasing. Also, she suggests a thing but takes it back instantly, in a way: Lommy would be a very bold wolf as she'd lose two of her fellows, but then again Frodo is a wolf now... Today would be the perfect time to impersonate the seer, but then again it wouldn't make sense... She could be Ferny, but then again it doesn't seem very likely... And in the end Greenie half aplogizes, half explains why she was so eager to cast some random suspicion which she took back so that all that was left was a vague bad feeling that Lommy might not be the seer, after all:
I'm inclined to believe Lommy's claim for now. I just want to turn every stone and check through every possibility, just in case.

Day 5. She said Legate seemed very innocent. If they're fellows, that's a bold thing to do. Also, she found it more likely that Mac was innocent than Ferny.

Then there's her Menel analysis. She brings up valid points against him, but at the same time it seems somehow too easy. Menel almost always comes across as suspicious, and Greenie seems to be making too much into things. Exaggerating.

Today the people she did not find specifically innocentish were Lari (flip-flopping on her), Mira (no read), Nerwen (no read), and Menel (somewhat suspicious, might vote in lack of better suspects).

She wondered why Mac hadn't died and reached the conclusion it's possible he's Ferny. If she's a wolf & Mac is Ferny, she could probably have found a way to hint the wolves thought Mac was protected or wanted to leave him alive for confusion's sake. However, if he is not the cobbler, it's reasonable for a Greenwolf to say so.

She said she didn't want to vote for Menel today if he couldn't defend himself. In a way I can understand her, but at the same time I think that at this stage we should vote for our primary suspects.
In the end she voted for Lari.

**

I think she looked quite innocent up until Frodo was turned, but right after that she made some eyebrow-raising comments. Today she has looked more innocentish again. Garr I don't know! It could also be that she's got more used to being a wolf again and that's why the change for the better in her behaviour...

++Greenie

Right now I suspect her more than Lari and I don't want to start spreading the votes by voting for Legate. Also, if she's a wolf, then I'm pretty positive Legate is one, too. It would just make sense.

edit: xed with Nerwen & two Menels. Good catch about the bells ringing.

[Macalaure]

Aganzir makes many posts and long ones. A long time ago I told myself not to thoroughly analyse people who talk this much, since I found out it is strongly detrimental to my mental health. Therefore, here's the brief Aganzir now.

On Day1 she's one of those suggesting that Frodo might want to be turned, which of course could be interpreted as a suggestion. She casts a random vote for Lari. She explains it with being tired, which is an RL reason which one should not attack usually, but I still find it remarkable how one can be so tired to not remember who one found suspicious before and who not. Then again, an evil Aganzir would probably not need such excuses.

On Day2 she's a bit undecided about the later kill Nogrod but he's her top suspect. Would that more or less reason for her to kill him? Not sure. Brinn and Sally are in nowhere land. She makes a Brinn-analysis and finds her innocent. She votes for me.

Day3:

I don't know why but Mira has started to bother me a little. I might want to read through her posts when I have time.
And now I read Lari's summary and it's the same with her.
I am also getting a bad feeling about Rune. He annoys me & doesn't make sense. Okay, it might be because he was drunk yesterday but still.

To be honest I have no idea why you ended up lynching Durelin. Mira's vote (or the reasoning for it) seems the most suspicious to me but I need to read her posts before forming a proper opinion.

This comment is not only self-contradicting (I don't know why she bothers me - her vote is suspicious), but also very, very fishy.

She later decides to defend Rune (she will keep on finding Rune innocent). She also makes a comment against Brinn and made a deleted analysis of Miri and found her suspicious (the next day she'll re-analyse and change her mind). She joins the Fea-waggon.

Day4:

Brinn's way of revealing looks more honest compared to Lommy (...), but I trust Lommy more.

It's not that she wonders who of the two lies, it's again the carefulness behind it that makes me suspicious. Later, however, she supports Lommy.

On Day5 she analyses Lari and concludes that she might be Frodo. I agree that she's suspicious, but I don't know how Aganzir ended up with Frodo here. It makes little sense at this point (it makes more with the *later* inclusion of Brinn). Funny how Miri ended up being guilty again in #762.

On Day6 she starts losing her objectivity and goes after me. A "Btw, be aware that he could be the cobbler, too" is reasonable, but she goes overboard.

The first two days aren't very suspicious. The third day, however, looks like a cobbler not knowing what to do with the death of Durelin. She could have figured out that Fea was probably not a wraith and therefore a good target, but her behaviour towards Rune and Lari especially is very careful (she reached different conclusions for the two later and also keeps changing her mind / forgetting about Miri). Unfortunately, that's all. She probably *is* innocent and just extremely misguided concerning me (that's why I lost interest in going into more detail on the last two days). Ah, well...

[Macalaure]

Lily -> Lari
Menel -> Miri
Rune -> Lily
Legate -> Lari
Nerwen -> Lily
Menel -- Miri -> Lily
Agan -> Lily

A Little Green 4, Lariren 2


If you ask me, the case against A Little Green is made of thin air. I certainly suspect Lari enough to vote for her, but the fact that Lari is still left to vote and Lily isn't gives me a bad feeling about toDay's lynch.

++Lariren Shadow

[Lariren Shadow]

Legate: This is my second game. I was really just looking for someone who would be a suspect that the wolves could have thought of for lynching Rikae. Because, even this late in the game, it was sort of a blameless kill to me. I really still don't know a lot of things, see my thinking Ferny isn't a cobbler speech.

Ok, I really didn't like Greenie's vote for me. Not because it was for me, but because she didn't want to vote me but did? I don't like it. And not just because it was for me and it seems like its between me and her right now, but because, well, it seems like a really bad reason.

Ok on to another list:

Stick(Miri): Hasn't said much today. But then again she also said that she was doing things like playing with clay and watching the Super Bowl. I really don't think she's guilty. But I could be wrong.

Legate: I really have no idea how to think of him. I read through a few of his posts and he seems innocent but then I read through the next few and I get the feeling he's being very careful to manipulate and convince people which makes me think wolf/wraith. I really don't think I want to vote for him, but I'm honestly not sure.

Agan: Has been doing long posts of explinations and such, which is sort of reminding me of her in the last game where she was innocent. But I get the same feeling form her that I do from Legate, though for her it's generally me thinking she's innocent more than guilty.

Beregond: Seems innocent enough. That's really all, sorry you don't get more.

Nerwen: Really no idea, but more innocent.

Rune: I still don't like most of his posts. But he seems to explain a little after each. Not sure if I want to vote for him though.

Mac: Is a known innocent and I wouldn't vote for him.

Menel: I hope you got it right. I really don't think he looks guilty at all. He seems more innocent to me. Actually, probably the most innocent to me.

Greenie: I really didn't like her vote. Really at all. And for the reasons above, not because it was for me. It just seemed...odd.

So, for all the reasons in this post and, yes, in a way to save myself, I admit it:

++Greenie