T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Kitanna]

In the year 3018, September 29th, strange things began to happen in Bree. For a while there had been odd tidings coming into the village, but that evening a foul wind swept through the streets. The Prancing Pony was alive with its usual nightly activities. A Mr. Underhill came into the inn and his presence put the innkeeper at unrest. Old Barliman felt it was time perhaps to go into hiding. While Butterbur disguised himself, one of the rangers of the north returned after a long absence. He too took to a disguise in order to blend in better with the crowd. This was no time to call attention to oneself. There was no telling who else was watching.

The night was tense, but by morning it seemed as though whatever evil had been present was now gone. As the sun rose the people of Bree headed about their usual morning routines. Brinniel was getting ready to open her pie shop, while Rune attempted to peddle his brie to passersby. Rikae was humming to herself while Macalaure scowled. Nerwen was hard at work making her special brew and Mirandir tended his hogs. The strange night was but a dream now...or perhaps a nightmare.

A shriek could be heard echoing throughout Bree. “Sounds like it came from the Prancing Pony!” Thinlómien exclaimed. A band of worried villages rushed toward the inn. Lariren, the friendly tavern wench was waving her arms and screaming.

“Something's hanging on the Pony's sign.” Legate said as the crowd drew closer.

Sure enough something was dangling from the inn's sign. Or more specifically someone was dangling from the sign. Kitanna had been a maid at the Prancing Pony for a number of years and now it looked as though her disembodied head was the new decoration. Gollum went forward to investigate while Aganzir comforted Lariren.

“I'd say she was done in by a sword.” Being the weapons expert he had the most authority on the subject. A piece of Kit's spinal cord that had been barely attached dropped down and hit Gollum on the shoulder.

“Who would do such a thing?” Fea asked, looking around, trying to pinpoint the maid's murder.

“Bandits, maybe. The stars said nothing of disaster coming to Bree.” Shastanis assumed the stars were always right. And while the stars said nothing about tragedy he had completely ignored the fact the moon had been blood red for two nights.

“This is too gruesome, even for bandits.” Beregond said as another piece of Kitanna fell from the head.

Meneltarmacil stumbled through the crowd, smelling of something rather foul. “I shay thish be the work of sometshing more shinsiter.” He slurred.

“It's barely past daybreak and the fool is already drunk!” Nogrod growled. “Big help you're going to be, sauced as you are.”

Durelin threw back her hood dramatically. “I've heard rumors of evil rising in the south. The drunken fool may be on to something. Something wicked grows in Mordor, perhaps the Nine are abroad again.”

A Little Green gasped. “You can't be serious. I thought those were but stories!”

Sally looked closely at the head of the former maid. “She has something in her mouth.”

A few villages went to get a ladder. Macalaure was elected to go and retrieve whatever had been put in Kitanna's mouth. It was small slip of paper. “We have come to lay waste to your village and reclaim what rightfully belongs to the Lord Sauron.”

“Ringwraiths!” Meneltarmacil proclaimed before tripping over his feet.

As the note was read the ringbearer reached for the Ring to make sure it was still safe. The innkeeper and the Dúnadan ranger silently investigated the crowd.

Living
satansaloser2005 - Hobbit cute hobo
Feanor of the Peredhil - Big person gardener with a renowned belladonna plot
Lariren Shadow - Big person tavern wench
Mirandir - Big person hog farmer
Shastanis Althreduin - Big person con artist with a hobby of astrology
Thinlómien Mugwort - Hobbit nosy young lass
Legate of Amon Lanc - Hobbit herring dealer
Rikae "Bertha" Broadbottle - Hobbit
Aganzir - Big person tanner
Gollum the Great - Big person traveling weapons designer
Nogrod "Shenanigan" Kneejerk - Hobbit dealer of Old Toby
Beregond - Big person smith
Nerwen - Hobbit local brewery owner
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hobbit brie salesman
Macalaure "Barney" Broadbottle Jr. - Big person Smith who detests all music
Meneltarmacil - Big person crazy drunk ex-ranger
Durelin - Big person dark, mysterious, hooded and cloaked figure
A Little Green - Big person ex-bear-tamer
Brinniel - Hobbit pie maker

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1

Note: The genders expressed in the narration for the three gifted roles are not to be taken as hints.

Day 1 has begun

[Gollum the Great]

First a business failure and now I'm faced with being murdered. Great. Well, all I can say is that whoever tries to kill me in my sleep will find me with a suply of weapons behind me. Break my sword and I pick up my axe. Woe be to the wraith who crosses with me!

[Gollum the Great]

*Notices something*

A ranger in our midst! Meneltarmacil, I have Gandalf-enhanced Dunedain blades in stock! Say the word and you can have one half-price!

[satansaloser2005]

Well, clearly our top suspects are Lari and Gollum; she found the body and he is our resident weapons expert.

Of course I couldn't have done it. *bats eyelashes* I'm far too lazy to exert enough effort to kill someone in that manner, and I'm definitely too short to have hung her head on the sign.

Besides, I'm far too adorable to be a wraith. Now who wants to buy me some ale? Legate? Shasta? *pouts* Oh, where's Phantom when you need him? :Merisu:

[Gollum the Great]

Now who wants to buy me some ale?

Me! Me!

*Swigs beer*

[satansaloser2005]

Me! Me!

*Swigs beer*

Well, if you insist. Lari, you heard the man. He'd like to buy me a drink. :)

[Gollum the Great]

Well, if you insist. Lari, you heard the man. He'd like to buy me a drink. :)

Oh my gosh! I thought you meant: who wants to buy himself a drink. Hahaha! I'll buy you one anyway, though.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh my gosh! I thought you meant: who wants to buy himself a drink. Hahaha! I'll buy you one anyway, though.

*twirls hair around her tiny finger*

Why thank you, kind sir. :Merisu:



(I think I'm not only the town mooch, but the town flirt. Meh, it works. :p)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The correlation of Jupiter in concert with Mars, Mercury, and Venus says by way of the four elements that there is danger in this town! With Mars ascendant, our foes are clearly under the influence of fire, while the angle of Mercury mixes with that of our moon to state clearly that our dear innkeeper has the protection of water. Venus's Sixth House is in the descendant; this tells us our ranger is a very earthy, grounded person. And finally, Jupiter's height in the astral sphere is an analog of the numbers 66.245 and 19093.34; going by this, my calculations are that anyone bearing a strange piece of jewelry, while not only airheaded and judgement-clouded by air, is also extremely susceptible to evil influence.

Any further readings will cost you a pint of ale per fifteen minutes. I can read anything in the stars you desire!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh, and clearly our troubles will be solved if everyone clearly states their birth sign.

[Gollum the Great]

And finally, Jupiter's height in the astral sphere is an analog of the numbers 66.245 and 19093.34; going by this, my calculations are that anyone bearing a strange piece of jewelry, while not only airheaded and judgement-clouded by air, is also extremely susceptible to evil influence.

*Puts elven brooch in pocket*

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and clearly our troubles will be solved if everyone clearly states their birth sign.

Taurus. Aka the bull. Aka what you're speaking.


Of course I could forgive your tricksy ramblings if you'd buy me a drink. :Merisu:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Tauruses are stubborn and typically head-in-the-mud. Nothing I can tell you about my time-honored, tried-and-true tested way of reading the stars will change your mind about me, so I'm afraid I'll have to have a better reason to act as your enabler.

:p

[Gollum the Great]

Fortune-tellers are innately evil and prone to disrupting good, honest business. Shasta is a wraith from the foundations up.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Fortune-tellers are innately evil and prone to disrupting good, honest business. Shasta is a wraith from the foundations up.

Clearly here we have a prime example of a closed-minded, unthinking individual who refuses to believe in anything he can't hear, touch, see, smell, or taste. The stars say he's an ordo, but will be on the wrong track most of the game and be lynched Day 5 for his sheer inability to admit he's wrong.

:Merisu:

[Durelin]

Durelin sat alone at a table in a dark corner of the common room, an untouched mug in front of him. He wears a cloak, though the inn is comfortably warm, its hood drawn up to hide the majority of his face. He must not draw attention to himself, not if he is to complete his task. Of course, he wondered now if he had been foolish to come here, foolish to risk searching at all...

This new evil presence, he thought, the wraiths...they turn the night into my enemy, which is normally my greatest ally...

As the common room grew more and more excited, Durelin did his best to remain inconspicuous, drawing his dark cloak more tightly to him.

[Gollum the Great]

Clearly here we have a prime example of a closed-minded, unthinking individual who refuses to believe in anything he can't hear, touch, see, smell, or taste. The stars say he's an ordo, but will be on the wrong track most of the game and be lynched Day 5 for his sheer inability to admit he's wrong.

So far I've been about the only person who's done any thinking. All you've done is speak carefully memorized forulas for weak, sentimental people who break down when catastrophies arise. Ha! I am a man of affairs, and know what to in what circumstances.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shades can hide
Shadows conceal
Fires haze
Waters dilute
Airs diffuse
Earths shield
and powers collide.

In other words, people who wear mysterious cloaks typically have something to hide. Get her! :D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So far I've been about the only person who's done any thinking. All you've done is speak carefully memorized forulas for weak, sentimental people who break down when catastrophies arise. Ha! I am a man of affairs, and know what to in what circumstances.

Firstly, what's a "forula"?

Secondly, what does this mean, cause I honestly don't understand it;

and know what to in what circumstances?

Thirdly, "weak and sentimental"? I knew it. You are one of those incredibly dreary "Show Me" people. Arrrgh. You, sir, are bad for business.

[Durelin]

"If I have something to hide it's none of your business," Durelin said coldly without turning his head to acknowledge the person who had rudely addressed him.

[Gollum the Great]

Gollum the Great's Great list of not-so-great people. ;)

Sally: Typical Sally behaviour.

Shasta: Tries to peddle fortunes, and that alone is suspicious. :p (Nothing really.)

Durelin: Not played with her before. Gives an at least decent first post, but nothing else to go by.

Edit: Crossed with Durelin and Shasta

[Durelin]

Durelin quickly went back to being inconspicuous.

(OOC: Good night!)

[satansaloser2005]

I knew it. You are one of those incredibly dreary "Show Me" people. Arrrgh. You, sir, are bad for business.

Honestly, some people have no imagination whatsoever.

If you'd care to join me a drink, perhaps we could discuss our friend Gollum and his predisposition to sharp objects and frivolous posting. *waits* What, you expect me to pay? I'm sorry, but I'm a modest, old-fashioned hobbit, and you wouldn't want me to make a spectacle of myself....:Merisu:....now would you?



EDIT: x'd with Durie. Night kiddo! Sleep well! :)

[Gollum the Great]

Firstly, what's a "forula"?

A typo. It should be: Formula.

To answer that second question:

It means that I know what to do when something goes wrong.

[Gollum the Great]

If you'd care to join me a drink, perhaps we could discuss our friend Gollum and his predisposition to sharp objects and frivolous posting.

*In a deep understanding growl* I see it all now.

Shasta is in cahoots with that girl! Together seek to plant discord in the Pony by sowing lies and slander! Against me of all people! I was just passing through, too! *Dictator laugh* Well, well, well! They find me ready, they do, they find me ready and waiting! *Goes to supply room and gets weapons* Come everybody! Kill them!

[satansaloser2005]

*In a deep understanding growl* I see it all now.

Shasta is in cahoots with that girl! Together seek to plant discord in the Pony by sowing lies and slander! Against me of all people! I was just passing through, too! *Dictator laugh* Well, well, well! They find me ready, they do, they find me ready and waiting! *Goes to supply room and gets weapons* Come everybody! Kill them!


Paranoid, are we? I'm sure a peaceful tradesman such as yourself wouldn't mind people trying to discover your intentions. Perhaps you have something to hide?

[Gollum the Great]

Perhaps you have something to hide?

I do. My collection of Southron daggers. It's priceless.

[satansaloser2005]

I do. My collection of Southron daggers. It's priceless.

Ah. No doubt used to slaughter our dear Kitanna. I, too, see it clearly now.

I need to rest and think upon these things. Surely someone would put up a poor, half-frozen hobbit for the night? I'll be no trouble. I just require a small space to curl up on someone's floor. (Hopefully that space is complete with a queen-sized matress, satin sheets, and a free continental breakfast, but I'll take what I can get. :p)

[Gollum the Great]

Surely someone would put up a poor, half-frozen hobbit for the night? I'll be no trouble. I just require a small space to curl up on someone's floor. (Hopefully that space is complete with a queen-sized matress, satin sheets, and a free continental breakfast, but I'll take what I can get. :p)

I'll put you up. And I'll make sure that the doorway has a booby-trap in so you fall into a lake filled with crocodiles before you can get at me with a Morgul-blade. Mwuhahahaha!
;):p

[Brinniel]

One hour into the Day, and already I see plenty of in-character bantering. I hate to disappoint, but my posts won't be nearly as amusing. Because right now it is late and my sleeping pill is kicking in...so surely you can't expect me to think properly until morning. :rolleyes:

And while all this banter and in-character stuff is entertaining for the time being, I'm hoping we'll have progressed to some more substantial discussion by the time I return. Day one is always tricky, but using in-character posts as a crutch certainly won't help us.

Going to sleep now, but in the meantime, feel free to help yourself to some pie. :)

[Gollum the Great]

Going to sleep now, but in the meantime, feel free to help yourself to some pie. :)

*Stuffs face* Thanks! Talking is hungry work even for a business man like me!

[satansaloser2005]

I'll put you up. And I'll make sure that the doorway has a booby-trap in so you fall into a lake filled with crocodiles before you can get at me with a Morgul-blade. Mwuhahahaha!


Ah, but I thought you just said you were only passing through! Thus it stands to reason that you don't have a dwelling in this quiet town. Less than two hours into the first Day and you've already been caught in a lie. :rolleyes:


Oh, Brinn, how kind of you. :)

*helps herself to some shephard's pie peppered with actual shephard on top....erm, I mean....*

[Gollum the Great]

Ah, but I thought you just said you were only passing through! Thus it stands to reason that you don't have a dwelling in this quiet town. Less than two hours into the first Day and you've already been caught in a lie.

You must be a stranger in these parts. I had to rent a used castle to store my goods in while trying to unload them on these boring Breelanders. No fighting here. Until now, of course.

Catapults, anyone?

[Gollum the Great]

And while all this banter and in-character stuff is entertaining for the time being, I'm hoping we'll have progressed to some more substantial discussion by the time I return. Day one is always tricky, but using in-character posts as a crutch certainly won't help us.

I actually think that the in-character stuff is the real thing.

[satansaloser2005]

You must be a stranger in these parts. I had to rent a used castle to store my goods in while trying to unload them on these boring Breelanders. No fighting here. Until now, of course.

Catapults, anyone?



Yeah huh. Sure. *flings some pie at you*

(On another note, I should really stop posting. I've got a paper to write and haven't even started. Bah, who cares, right? :p)

[Gollum the Great]

Post count:

Sally: 9

Durelin: 3

Shasta: 6

Brinn: 1

Me: 16

Hahaha!

[Gollum the Great]

Yeah huh. Sure. *flings some pie at you*

*Dodges* What are, you, a clown? Hey, that gives me a great idea! Join up with me on my next trip and I'll get you into a travelling circus!

[Gollum the Great]

Where is everybody? I mean, I enjoy talking like this, but one-sided conversations tend to dull the sharpest speaking skills.

[Gollum the Great]

Well, if nobody's here, I guess I'll pop off and just hope there are some new developments when I return.

In the lead with 19 posts!

[Nerwen]

What a terrible, terrible thing! Such a lively young wench she was (and so fond of my special brew). Well, let's have drinks all round, in her memory. Except for that Ranger feller; he's had his share already. Besides, I don't rightly hold with these here Rangers...

Any further readings will cost you a pint of ale per fifteen minutes. I can read anything in the stars you desire!

*scratches head* Hmmn. Sounds fair. Here's a pint. Who did 'er in, then?:smokin:

[Thinlómien]

Who did 'er in, then?You, most probably.

I have only twenty minutes now, so excuse me for bantering this little. :p Off to business then...

There's eighteen of us and only three ringwraiths. Granted, there's an informer to help them, but still, I would say our situation looks quite good.

Which exactly might be the problem. Villages with the setting that favours the innocent surprisingly often leads to their loss, because they become careless and entangled in silly discussions because they feel no hurry to catch the wolves. So let's not do that this time.

And *hint hint* that also means we could move away from banter to more serious suttf, if anyone has anything at all to say. ;)

So maybe I'll start about that.

My opinion on this bantering? It annoys me a little because I subconsciously assume this game has already been going for for 5-8 hours although in reality, we only started 3h ago. So I should not be harsh.

But given that there were so many people around, one could imagine they'd have come up with something. Anything. Even such sort of useless and obvious discussion about roles and setting like I just started. So, do we have just a few ordos having fun? A cobbler messing around *glares at Gollum and sally* or even wolves who feel the most comfortable talking nonsense?

*happy sigh* I missed ww. :D Hmm, anyway, I'd better leave for work in ten minutes. I'll be back in ten hours or a bit more, I hope I can expect everybody has posted by then and that there will be talk - about other subjects than mattresses, drinks and stellar signs too....

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Besides, I'm far too adorable to be a wraith. Now who wants to buy me some ale? Legate?
Never, young one. Drinking is not for the young ones like you. You have to be accustomed to drinking. Could any Ringwraith pass me a drink?

Oh, and clearly our troubles will be solved if everyone clearly states their birth sign.
A herring. Sorry, that would be pisces.

*Dodges* What are, you, a clown? Hey, that gives me a great idea! Join up with me on my next trip and I'll get you into a travelling circus!
Trying to get together, eh? An Informer and a Ringwraith, no less! Kill them!

There's eighteen of us and only three ringwraiths. Granted, there's an informer to help them, but still, I would say our situation looks quite good.

Which exactly might be the problem. Villages with the setting that favours the innocent surprisingly often leads to their loss, because they become careless and entangled in silly discussions because they feel no hurry to catch the wolves. So let's not do that this time.

And *hint hint* that also means we could move away from banter to more serious suttf, if anyone has anything at all to say. ;)

So maybe I'll start about that.

My opinion on this bantering? It annoys me a little because I subconsciously assume this game has already been going for for 5-8 hours although in reality, we only started 3h ago. So I should not be harsh.
Now at least something in-game which makes me unnerved. Great :) As well as Brinn's post a little. But that is most likely just because they are the first ones to actually say something, which is of course a good thing for a Ringwraith to start turning suspicion towards some victims. Not that their points would be incorrect: we should really try to discuss something more important. But the Day has just started, and I hope people will acknowledge by themselves that it is reasonable to speak reasonable and not just mess around. But it's maybe just something in Lommy's phrasing which I find weird. But as it has been just one and quick post, then of course I will wait for further input to state anything. But I just wanted to say this, as it's far better than to say "bring me some ale", or even "we should discuss serious stuff" (which is not an information of any value by itself either. I always want to ask people who go around and post things like this, and nothing more, what serious things would they discuss. Or rather, perhaps they should instead lead by example and just do it).

P.S. I don't know what suttf is, but I certainly don't want to meet that in the middle of a dark alley at night.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

People are not postiiiing, yah-dah-dah-dadey...

Everybody's laaaa-zyyyy...

This way, comrades, this way we won't ever build that socialism.

Erm... okay. Hey, but our comrades in the Shire almost succeeded already... just need to get rid of a few Baggins exploiters and everything's gonna be fine...

The Shire needs five thousand new tractors. Why is there a weapons dealer, and not a tractor dealer?

All hail to the People's Republic of Michel Delving! Waiting for comrade Sharkey to arrive to set things right.

Hobbitton needs a new mill.

And what about our village? Are we going to stay behind? I take the pledge to supply Bree with five hundred herrings per day. Every herring is a serious blow to the Western imperialism. Which means probably the Dwarves from the Blue Mountains. Yeah, they think they have a monopoly on everything.

Bree needs to produce more charcoal! Heaps all over the edges of Chetwood.

Or are you not going to post in order to make me being silly here? Yes, pretty much succesful.

[Aganzir]

Hello bunnies.

What is it that the day has been going for six hours and there's already two pages? I'm not used to this. *okay reads the two pages and is not surprised anymore*

I am concerned about Menel based solely on the narration. Something more sinister just sounds awfully bad! :p

Oh, and clearly our troubles will be solved if everyone clearly states their birth sign.
I'm Capricorn. Or Sagittarius. I'm not quite sure which one. I wonder what that makes me, Sagittarius being a fire sign and Capricorn an earth one.

feel free to help yourself to some pie.
Thank you! Mmm... this is goo- WHAT? A finger!

There's eighteen of us and only three ringwraiths. Granted, there's an informer to help them, but still, I would say our situation looks quite good.
Thus far. However I find it quite possible the wraiths will learn Ferny's identity soon enough as xe can give them xer opinions etc. Plus, if the wraiths attack the Ring-bearer they get a fourth member to their team. In the worst case there might sooner or later be five baddies around.

I'm not overly fond of the banter either. I find showing off with my post count worth my while only when I've actually posted some serious substance.

A herring. Sorry, that would be pisces.
Liar. You're Cancer. That is, a crab.

Okay some things about the roles.

The seer cannot trust xer dreams completely as Ferny is revealed as an ordo. I assume Ferny counts as an ordo in numbers, then, too? Has the seer dreamed already?

I wonder what should be done with Frodo. We might not want to lynch xem as long as xe's an ordo but we also wouldn't like to get xem wolf-killed.

Comrade Legate is being sensible. However, the situation being as it is, I think the Socialist Republic of Breeland needs a strong intelligency agency to spy on every citizen in order to find the wrongdoers. Let's make this a police state until things are solved!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hello bunnies.

Who do you call a bunny? Are you not the person who calls rabbits conies, when you don't turn their Frodos to wolves? Or something very similar.

Thus far. However I find it quite possible the wraiths will learn Ferny's identity soon enough as xe can give them xer opinions etc. Plus, if the wraiths attack the Ring-bearer they get a fourth member to their team. In the worst case there might sooner or later be five baddies around.

Well, there is still enough of us for the time being. And there is quite a large chance that, hopefully, we may lynch a Wolf, or the Informer, or in the worst case, poor Mr. Frodo (still better than lynching just an ordinary Ordo, or a Gifted, of course). However, and here I agree with what's been said here, we really should not overestimate our situation and try to go after the wolves as hard as if there were nine of them.

Liar. You're Cancer. That is, a crab.
Not from a Jedi.

Sorry, I meant to say: Not in this village.

The seer cannot trust xer dreams completely as Ferny is revealed as an ordo. I assume Ferny counts as an ordo in numbers, then, too?
I would assume so. Although it makes little sense, if there are let's say one Wolf and one ordo and the Informer remaining, and they are to vote, the Informer would of course vote for the ordo. Unless the ordo tries to pretend to be a Wolf just to get him to his side. Now, that would be pretty impressive! :D

I wonder what should be done with Frodo. We might not want to lynch xem as long as xe's an ordo but we also wouldn't like to get xem wolf-killed.
I guess we cannot do anything much sensible for the time being, especially as we won't know anyway who that is. And it's probably better now for Frodo to stay put and hope the Ringwraith don't notice him.

Comrade Legate is being sensible. However, the situation being as it is, I think the Socialist Republic of Breeland needs a strong intelligency agency to spy on every citizen in order to find the wrongdoers. Let's make this a police state until things are solved!
Police state? You are being suspiciously eager, comrade. I suggest we place you to the workcamp in Fornost for a while, to see what happens.

[Nerwen]

But it's maybe just something in Lommy's phrasing which I find weird.

But what, though? That seems a bit of a hit-and-run suspicion, Legate. *looks at him hard*

People are not postiiiing, yah-dah-dah-dadey...

Everybody's laaaa-zyyyy...

Lazy? Drunk, my friend– or should I say comrade? My special brew is powerful stuff (as opposed to Suttf, who is clearly up to no good).

EDIT: x'd with Aganzir and Legate.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

But what, though? That seems a bit of a hit-and-run suspicion, Legate. *looks at him hard*

Just like that: the phrasing overall. I simply find it queer. But that is why I said I would have to see how things go further. It is by no means a suspicion yet, it is stating what I think at the moment. (And I can hardly think much, as almost nobody has posted anything yet.)

Lazy? Drunk, my friend– or should I say comrade? My special brew is powerful stuff (as opposed to Suttf, who is clearly up to no good).

True. Yes, I say we lynch him.

[Aganzir]

Who do you call a bunny? Are you not the person who calls rabbits conies, when you don't turn their Frodos to wolves? Or something very similar.
No, actually I call them Cobys.

Unless the ordo tries to pretend to be a Wolf just to get him to his side.
Grr you're revealing all my plans.

I guess we cannot do anything much sensible for the time being, especially as we won't know anyway who that is.
Yeah but would it help us or the wolves more if we pointed out Frodo-ish behaviour in others? That's what I meant.

And it's probably better now for Frodo to stay put and hope the Ringwraith don't notice him.
The thing is, I'm not sure if Mr. Baggins wants to do that. If I was him I'd certainly try to get myself killed and become a wolf (but then again, I love being a wolf, whereas some people like to have different tactics. I remember my first game where Kit the Shade [kind of an assassin/seer/ranger] sided with the village against all odds [and killed me on the last night]).

For once it's not me who finds Lommy's phrasing suspicious.

I read through the thread with plans to make a Guilty/Innocent/Neither list, but decided against it. Lommy, Legate and Nerwen look innocent enough thus far, of the others I have absolutely nothing to say.

[Beregond]

Having labored all day to complete it, Beregond sharpens the edge of the sword he had made a week ago.

"It's not pretty, but it should get the job done. I've never been much use making blades, but I have been improving my art."

He sticks it deep into an old chipped and mangled wooden block in the corner of his shop. Then he checks the tip.

"Hmmm. Not bad, not bad. Been getting some pointers from Gollum. Creepy fellow, and talkative, but I've never met anyone so knowledgeable.

I'm going to keep this sword on my side from hereon. Can't be too careful. Can't get the image of... of... No, rather not think about that. What we need to do is find these wraiths, or whatever they are, and see they don't do us no more harm!

I have suspicions, but it's real hard to see under the cloaks, so to speak. And I've happened to notice, only nine out of the nineteen or so people in our village have even spoke out yet. Ten, now. But wouldn't a wraith want to stay out of the sunlight, so to speak? Maybe none of them have posted at all. But wraiths are crafty folk - so I've heard from the elders, I haven't seen them myself - and by posting they could avoid suspicion, or try. Now, like I said before Gollum is a strange one, and he talks more'n I've heard before, but I can't fix him as an evil one. Maybe I owe him too much. Who else, then: Sally? Shasta? Durelin? Nerwen? I dunno about them. I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is."

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hello, children. I meant to stop in this morning at work, except I um... couldn't access the... village...

Anyway, I'm here and my only goal for day one is to try to scare wolves by attempting to vote for one, given that logically their only real fear on Day 1 is to be accidentally caught, since they haven't left behind any clues yet that could actually lead straight to them.

I think... Sally.

Sally shall be my go-to person for a lynch target for now.

She just seems to enthusiastic, and I tend to find that the more enthusiastic players on day one usually have a special role.

So I shall just go take a bit of my belladonna now, nap for a little while, take advantage of an unexpectedly free afternoon...

[Mirandir]

Hello all! Like Fea I couldn't access the village when I had the chance earlier... And now I must be leaving for class shortly and thus can't probably analyze, well, anything. With any luck job 1 won't wear me out to the point where I can't post during job 2. :rolleyes:

In the meantime, I feel that Gollum is probably not to blame. It would be far too obvious for a traveling weapons designer to cut off poor Kitanna's head. Or would it...?

[Lariren Shadow]

Sorry about the lack of ale bringing but I needed time to recover from the shock(read class). Would anyone like anything while I'm here for the next, oh, eight minutes?

As for my sign I am a Sagittarius which actually does say a lot more about me than it should.

[Mirandir]

I'll take some of that ale, my dear. It's much appreciated.

[Lariren Shadow]

There you go, though I'm not entirely sure you should be having any, you look young.:p

Anyway, off I go, I shall try to be back later!

[Beregond]

Well, if you're offering, I'd love a root beer. Root beer is good for thinking!

So, Lariren, just to make conversation, are you in shock from this morning, or have you been consorting with those of an unsavory nature? I hear wights have some kind of dark breath...could shock anyone.


Tauruses are stubborn and typically head-in-the-mud. Nothing I can tell you about my time-honored, tried-and-true tested way of reading the stars will change your mind about me, so I'm afraid I'll have to have a better reason to act as your enabler.

I'm a Taurus, and, well, you're right about that - I am stubborn and not likely to believe you. :D

However, Shasta, I'll offer you a root beer, and I'll shoe your horse for free, if you want to read the stars for me.


EDIT: x'd with Mirandir, Lariren.

Well, I'm too slow and missed out on root beer. So, Mirandir, this is the first time you've been in the village during a crisis? Me too. I don't know who to disbelieve! Or maybe I do, and don't want them to know...

And I'm disappointed no one suspects me yet. Am I not sinister enough? I have access to swords, even if they aren't very good...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm a Leo.

If I remember correctly, that means that I love to be the center of everybody's attention.

I happen to think it simply means that I have a profound personal identification with cats...

[Lariren Shadow]

So, Lariren, just to make conversation, are you in shock from this morning, or have you been consorting with those of an unsavory nature? I hear wights have some kind of dark breath...could shock anyone.

The only unsavory people I've consorted with recently have been those who have not know when they have had too much ale. Luckily I've learned how to protect myself in those situations. Cold water helps.

And I do have a root beer for you right here.

Off to another class!

[Nogrod]

Sorry to come in this late but I actually had a 14-hour workday today and have basically just come home and eaten the first time today (10PM). I'll be reading next and come back then.

So it seems I'm not able to stand behind my promise to post only once on Day1 but I'll try to keep my posting in two posts toDay.

Let's see if I can meet that goal... :rolleyes:

[Gollum the Great]

I'm back and reading.

[Mirandir]

Well, I'm too slow and missed out on root beer. So, Mirandir, this is the first time you've been in the village during a crisis? Me too. I don't know who to disbelieve! Or maybe I do, and don't want them to know...

It is indeed the first time I've been in the village during a crisis...I heard about a certain tragedy in an opera house from Fea and Lariren not that long ago though.

There you go, though I'm not entirely sure you should be having any, you look young.:p

Looks can be deceiving, my dear.

[Aganzir]

So I am planning to vote in an hour or two because it is very unlikely I want to get up earlier just to play.

I will not vote for Beregond or Mirandir today because they are new. However Lari is not protected by newbieness anymore. :p

But wouldn't a wraith want to stay out of the sunlight, so to speak?
Well not necessarily. Being too quiet makes people suspicious, and sometimes submarines are lynched in lack of better suspects just to get rid of dead weight.

I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one.
I think she said she was going to sleep. While it is nice if the person who has encouraged proper talk instead of banter does it xemself, Brinn's reason for not doing it was understandable.

She just seems to enthusiastic, and I tend to find that the more enthusiastic players on day one usually have a special role.
I can hardly see how bantering actively makes her too enthusiastic.

It's good, though, if you say aloud what you find suspicious.

edit: xed with Gol & Mira

[Beregond]

Looks can be deceiving, my dear.

Ah ha! So YOU'RE a wraith! Because you don't look like one. ;)

Thank you for the root beer, Lariren, much appreciated!

[Gollum the Great]

This way, comrades, this way we won't ever build that socialism.

Socialism! *Is scared out of mind* Evil Legate, I for one will not redistribute my property amongst the great unwashed! *Closes Castle drawbridge* Ahh! Now my loot- that is to say my well earned capital will remain in competent hands.

[Beregond]

I will not vote for Beregond or Mirandir today because they are new. However Lari is not protected by newbieness anymore. :p...

...I think she said she was going to sleep. While it is nice if the person who has encouraged proper talk instead of banter does it xemself, Brinn's reason for not doing it was understandable....

...It's good, though, if you say aloud what you find suspicious.


Thanks, I didn't know we were subject to newbie protection!

I know I'm throwing out things that may or may not hold any weight, but on day one, what else do we have to go on? I don't expect anyone to take me seriously yet anyway. ;)

[Aganzir]

Socialism! *Is scared out of mind*
Well interesting as the topic is, maybe we'd better cut it. After all, politics shouldn't be discussed on the Downs.

Thanks, I didn't know we were subject to newbie protection!
It's generally considered fair that newbies get a chance to play a bit longer than one day. It doesn't apply to everything, though - if you do something outrageously suspicious, you might get lynched very quickly.

[Beregond]

Sure, that's only fair. It would take a few days to learn how things work, anyway. :)

[Gollum the Great]

I agree with whoever it was that situation looks good. For the moment. What seems to be overlooked is that hanging over the Pony like the Sword of Damacles is the danger of losing an ordo and gaining another wraith. The Ringbearer will be their prime target and we cant spend valuable time chit-chatting (like me, for instance). Once a couple of Wraiths are gone then we'll be on fairly solid ground. Also I agree with the other whoever it was that Beregond and Mirandir should be given a day or two- but not necessarily the game. Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil? I hope there isn't a repetition of that here.

[A Little Green]

Huh. I tried to access the Downs some five and a half hours ago but failed. I'm here only now and must vote soon since I need to go to sleep. What bothers me (easy to say of course, having been absent myself) is the lack of actual discussion. Yeah, Day 1, I know, but still. Nearly two pages of stuff (suttf?) and hardly anything to comment on. Bah.

The problem is I have no idea who I can vote, or even on what grounds should I vote since there just isn't enough material to base any opinions on. I even have no gut feelings, which is a bit alarming in itself.

Like Agan, I will certainly not vote a first-timer out on a Day like this when I have as vague opinions on everyone. I will also not vote anyone who has attempted some actual game discussion toDay. I will not vote anyone who hasn't appeared yet since that's plain evil because I have no way of knowing how that particular person behaves in this game.

Now that I've complained and whined enough, I can start thinking. I'll let Lommins in soon, but I could do with some discussion before that. Is there anyone around?


EDIT: Evidently. x-ed since Beregond's 62 (Are there any nicknames for you, by the way? Beregond is waaaay too long! :D)

[A Little Green]

Just thinking... Is the ring-bearer's role (I first wrote "rule") revealed if s/he gets lynched? Was there a mention of that in the rules?

[Beregond]

Well, I'm not cloaking anything, and I'd like to survive as much as the next guy!

I'd "discuss" if I knew what that meant. How can we find and protect the Ringbearer? Or should we eliminate the Ringbearer to remove the threat? Do we even want to discover the Ringbearer, or should that person stay hidden from all?

EDIT: Lots of crossing! You can call me Bere, in fact, please do - that's the only shortened version I have for this alias. :)

[Aganzir]

The Ringbearer will be their prime target and we cant spend valuable time chit-chatting
Hmm well I think it'd make more sense if they tried to kill Barliman first as xe is rather dangerous for the Ring-bearer, having a chance to tell xer identity to the ranger. However this is useless speculation.

Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil?
It didn't keep me from suspecting you. :p

I will not vote anyone who hasn't appeared yet since that's plain evil
Hmm I could actually vote for Gwath. He would at least deserve it. :p

edit: xed with Greeny & Gondy. I'd believe Frodo's role is revealed once xe is lynched. After all xe knows it xemself and the seer can see it when dreaming (unlike Ferny's).

[Mirandir]

Ah ha! So YOU'RE a wraith! Because you don't look like one. ;)

Heh, yup! You got me. :p

I must be off to work but we do have wireless access here so I shall be checking in periodically.

[Aganzir]

I'd "discuss" if I knew what that meant. How can we find and protect the Ringbearer? Or should we eliminate the Ringbearer to remove the threat? Do we even want to discover the Ringbearer, or should that person stay hidden from all?
Well the Ringbearer is an ordo for now, but xer death is probably only a matter of time. I think the best thing to do might be to remain quiet about who we think could be the RB and bring these points up only if the wolves get xem. Then we wouldn't help the wraiths or Billy to find xer, either.

edit: xed with Mira

[Gollum the Great]

Hmm well I think it'd make more sense if they tried to kill Barliman first as xe is rather dangerous for the Ring-bearer, having a chance to tell xer identity to the ranger. However this is useless speculation.


It didn't keep me from suspecting you.

*Hides in cellar* I remember that, all right.

[Beregond]

Well the Ringbearer is an ordo for now, but xer death is probably only a matter of time. I think the best thing to do might be to remain quiet about who we think could be the RB and bring these points up only if the wolves get xem. Then we wouldn't help the wraiths or Billy to find xer, either.

Agreed. It's Bill Ferny we should go after, assuming xe is an asset to the wraiths. Does Ferny have any powers as an informant, or is xe only special because he can contact the wraiths, indirectly?

[A Little Green]

edit: xed with Greeny & Gondy. I'd believe Frodo's role is revealed once xe is lynched. After all xe knows it xemself and the seer can see it when dreaming (unlike Ferny's).Gondy? I like that. Or maybe Gondie? Anyway, that Frodo-thingy makes good sense - except that those xe/xemself things keep confusing me. Suppose I'll get used to them in a while...

How can we find and protect the Ringbearer? Or should we eliminate the Ringbearer to remove the threat? Do we even want to discover the Ringbearer, or should that person stay hidden from all?To be honest I have no idea - never played with a guy like that before, whatever the role is called (cursed something?) - but it would sound ideal if no one discovered the identity of our ringbearer. After all, if we find and lynch him/her, we'll be down one innocent regardless of the fact that the particular innocent could have been converted to some nasssty creature. We should probably not use our energy on hunting the ringbearer but instead on hunting the wraiths.


EDIT: x-ed with Agan, Gollum and Gondie

[Gollum the Great]

We should probably not use our energy on hunting the ringbearer but instead on hunting the wraiths.

Someone's got the right idea.

[Nogrod]

Thanks, I didn't know we were subject to newbie protection!
I know I'm throwing out things that may or may not hold any weight, but on day one, what else do we have to go on? Adding the two up reads basically "do your best". Many will be scared the living daylights out of them because of a possible ill-adviced voting on Day1 but you can actually rest assured you're not lynched because of trying to actually do something... :)

Into the bussiness then.

About Frodo. I think that Frodo should actually do the decent thing and reveal himself if he felt he was in danger of being killed by Night. That way we could lynch him and prevent the birth of a fourth ringwraith. When Frodo is in danger great enough to reveal should surely rest on the ringbearer him(her)self; we others should not push him but should point that out.

Looking at the Frodo-issue from this angle as I am I'm quite baffled about this post by Agan I ran into: The thing is, I'm not sure if Mr. Baggins wants to do that * . If I was him I'd certainly try to get myself killed and become a wolf *"to do that" = trying to stay hidden from the wraiths (suggested tactics for Frodo by Legate)

Now are you calling for the ringwraiths whom you actually want to join Aganzir?


About Ferny. I suggest we cut off the speculation about that old scrooge for Day1. Let's not help him. The less we speculate about him, the more he has to do himself.

The same goes with Dury's ranger impersonation. Let the wolves chew it for the time being. We should bother ourselves with it only later if it looks like it.


About the banter. Banter is always fun and belongs to the game. But surely people could also add some actual stuff (or was it called "suttf" in this one?) to their banter. Just joking is playing it safe which means either trying to look like an active poster but hiding your fangs or then being a cowardish villager who only thinks for her/himself. Both kind of persons should be gotten rid of sooner rather than later as both will be harmful to us - especially late in the game.

*Free weed to everyone! Except the tanner of course... You will profit due to these crises anyway, don't you? :p*


Bah, there went my dream of two posts on Day1 but I really can't vote yet. I'll be back a little later with a vote. (I'm not waking up that early to vote on the only day this week I can sleep up to 9AM)

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts...

[Aganzir]

Does Ferny have any powers as an informant, or is xe only special because he can contact the wraiths, indirectly?
Nope I don't think so. Xe can only tell the wraiths who xe thinks they should kill.

xcept that those xe/xemself things keep confusing me. Suppose I'll get used to them in a while...
Tgwbs started using them (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Xe-(pronoun)) in last game. (And now that I googled the link, I noticed I've been using them incorrectly lately, too. It's xyr, not xer.)

I'm reading through the thread and trying to come up with opinions on people.

edit: xed with Noggy-Nogz

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I can hardly see how bantering actively makes her too enthusiastic.

It's good, though, if you say aloud what you find suspicious.

Well, as it's the first day and I have had no dreams that I wish to lay carefully before you, and I've got no evil plans I'd like to implement, I need somebody to suspect.

Innocents on Day One atypically have anybody to gun for based on actual evidence, so I figured I should come up with some sort of guideline to slim down the pool of possible people for me to latch onto immediately. Usually on the first day I pick at total random because I have nothing better to go on yet. This time I decided that 'enthusiasm = reason for enthusiasm' seemed like a pretty fair thing to go on.

Thus my otherwise random suspicion (since I have nothing solid to go on).

Strangely, I actually just had a dream (this isn't a clue) about Sally. I was just napping, thus dreaming, and we lived in this three story dorm type building, except the elevator was hidden behind a shower, and the third floor had a spare bed half way up a random staircase that was in my room. Sally was living there, in this strange little not-really-third-floor balcony on the stairs that didn't go anywhere else, for all that they continued past where she was hanging out.

Strange, no?

Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil? I hope there isn't a repetition of that here.

Yes, and I encouraged Lari to use it last game, and it worked beautifully. So while new players get a basic get-out-of-jail-free card, it's also common knowledge that a newbie wolf will take advantage.

So don't try to take advantage if you're a wraith, because we'll catch you. K? :)

you can actually rest assured you're not lynched because of trying to actually do something...

Unless you're Nog, in which case you'll be killed Day One no matter what you do. :p

You quts are making me smile with your banter.

Just so you know.

[Thinlómien]

Tgwbs started using them in last game. (And now that I googled the link, I noticed I've been using them incorrectly lately, too. It's xyr, not xer.)And honestly, they drive me crazy. Everytime is see "xe" I think of the stereotypical German way of mispronouncing "the" and it's really bothersome to see Agan speaking-handicapped liked that. ;)

Agan does not quite sit right with me anyway. She does not suspect me (yet) and she says weird stuff. Also, she's a cruious mixture of her late noisy ordo-style and her reserved wolf-style of past. That seems a bit fishy to me. Okay, I don't want to judge this quickly, but I'm keeping an eye on xer.

I shall join the party of nice crones and let Mira and Rego mess around toDay. (I won't even complain to them about bantering because I guess that's what yoiu're supposed to do on the first Day of your first ww game.)

I quite like Fea's tactics. It makes me feel pretty good about her. But it does also look like a terribly convenient way of wolfing around.

And what's this show of Nogrod's about making just a few posts? Nonsense, I say!

Ouch. It's late and I have to go soon and no one strikes me as particularily suspicious.

If I get no idea who to vote for, I'll vote Legate just because he started making fun of my typos. :p

PS. Let's stop this stuff about horoscopes because I'm Pisces and that means I'm supposed to be easily fooled...


edit: xed with Fea
edit2: I have a horrible typo but I shall not edit my post!

[Aganzir]

Now are you calling for the ringwraiths whom you actually want to join Aganzir?
I on the other hand am baffled you found it weird. I found it rather optimistic from Legate to think that the RB would want to stay low. It's dangerous to assume xe would want to remain innocent, what with the role xe was given, and to me it just didn't make sense that Legate was suggesting it. I think it also included a suggestion that possible RB hints could be ignored because "xe would not want the wolves to find xem." Not sure this is making sense, I realised I don't remember my exact thought process about it anymore.

And Noggy I wouldn't take weed even if you offered it to me! I am not into smoking you know. ;)

Fea, I know how much you like day ones. However I will probably always disagree with you on them and keep questioning your reasons for a vote.

edit: xed with Lommy

[Aganzir]

she says weird stuff.
What do I say?

[A Little Green]

I need somebody to suspect.Now I'm humming Queen's Somebody to Love with those lyrics. Thanks love.

edit2: I have a horrible typo but I shall not edit my post!Which one, cruious or yoiu're?

I'll vote in a minute. Literally, I hope.

[A Little Green]

Okay, I've decided to vote

++ Gollum

because he's the one I feel the worst about. I know that's not much said at this point, but if that's the best I can do then it is. Now I'm off to bed and let the little Lommie-Wommie post. Good night and Night.

I hate the deadline, by the way.

[Aganzir]

Bah I had not even noticed this comment earlier.
Police state? You are being suspiciously eager, comrade. I suggest we place you to the workcamp in Fornost for a while, to see what happens.
No, I'm just saying we could do with a couple of voluntary extra seers!

Guilty

Innocent
Nerwen. Nothing alarming thus far. Besides it's ages since she last played. No chance I'm lynching her today, especially as she can be quite helpful. Also, a village always needs people with an ability to make ploys.
Lommy. She's being mostly sensible and while I'm not convinced about her innocence yet, I'd like to keep her around for now.
Legz. Looks innocent enough.
Gondie. Innocent enough for now.
Nog. Being a normal Nog. Not too worried about him, and it'd be terribly unfair to lynch him now as he's died so early lately.

Neither
Gollum. Nothing suspicious thus far, but not much useful thus far, either.
sally. The same as Golly.
Shasta. The same as the two former but funnier.
Dury. She's amusing me but apart from that, nothing to go on. I don't think I'll vote for her, though.
Brinn. Too little to go on.
Fea. She doesn't have a role on day 1. I disagree with her about day 1s.
Lari. No idea.
Mira. No idea. Actually it's funny I've started calling you two Lari and Mira as both are common Finnish names, Lari a male's name and Mira a female's.
Greeny. Simply no idea.
*
Rikae
Mac
Rune
Menel

Oh Gwath wasn't playing then.

See I was planning to go to sleep soon and have no idea who to vote. I could of course vote randomly and try to wake up a bit earlier but dunno if I'm capable of that.

edit: xed with two little greens

[Macalaure]

Whoa... an entire first page with nothing but in-character banter? *thumbs up* ;)

Let's derail the whole game and talk about astrology instead, shall we? Legate deludes himself into thinking he's a two fishes and Aganzir doesn't know what she is at all. This topic has potential!
(Agan, just find out your birth time and use one of the many online calculators.)

Oh, and I'm a Libra with more planets in Scorpio than is good for me. And now I'm wondering whether I should try to lynch all squaring and opposing cardinal or all squaring and opposing fixed villagers first. *evil grin*


Alright, to business. We have two interesting new fellas in our village, Mister Underhill and Mister Ferny. While Mister Underhill is a pure and innocent hobbit, he might want to get himself killed should it at some time look as if fate stands against us - to secure victory at least for himself. Mister Ferny is a good-for-nothing if there's ever been one. I'm not sure, however, how much his special ability will help him. Since he can only send a name, and no reasoning, his guess at gifteds is actually worse than each wraith's own one. As Aganzir (I think) said, he might use his ability to identify himself to the wraiths. (Ha! I wonder whether he'll be gutsy enough to dare give his own name to this end in Night 2. :D )
Anyway, especially with this conscious cursed villager around, it's extra important to get a wraith or two early on.

Yeah but would it help us or the wolves more if we pointed out Frodo-ish behaviour in others?

If I understand you correctly, then Frodo-ish behaviour is behaviour meant to get oneself killed. Unless Frodo decides to give hints (for which we should look, of course), the best plan for him (if his plan is to get himself killed, which we don't know) is to either act seerish or appear as innocent and unlikely to lynch as possible - but those people we certainly should not start lynching because of that. The exception I could think of would be a seerish person who keeps and keeps on living.

If I was him I'd certainly try to get myself killed and become a wolf

Frodo just wants to win. If the innocent side seems stronger, he'll try to avoid being killed (like everybody), if the evil side seems stronger, he might try to set himself up. I don't think he tries to be killed from toDay on.

Everytime is see "xe" I think of the stereotypical German way of mispronouncing "the"

I don't like zem eizer, but now I'm tempted to start using zem just to annoy you. :p


There seems to be a bit of a confusion as to who our and the wraiths' main targets are. Us: wraiths. Wraiths: Butterbur. And it will stay like that unless Butterbur is dead or some uncommon situation arises.


I don't have any suspects yet... I need to change that...

[Thinlómien]

*glares at Agan* I won't really go to this nit-picking dicatatorship of yours again, but I will tell you at least this once. Because it helps me too if I try to analyse what exactly it was that made me raise my eyebrows.

However I find it quite possible the wraiths will learn Ferny's identity soon enough as xe can give them xer opinions etc.I can't see that. And that alone wouldn't help them because Ferny too should know them before they can form an alliance. I don't think we should worry about Ferny. I think you're making him a big threat which I can't see him being, and that makes me wonder. Who on earth would want to portray the situation in such grim light? Ferny herself, perhaps?

Yeah but would it help us or the wolves more if we pointed out Frodo-ish behaviour in others? That's what I meant.Weird again. The wolves, obviously.

Lommy, Legate and Nerwen look innocent enough thus far, of the others I have absolutely nothing to say.Nerwen just after one bantery post, eh?

Haha, this looks suspiciously like a case. :D;) But it's not one. I don't really suspect you. (I don't suspect anyone.) I just went to see what exactly could have created the weird image I had of you...

This is silly, I have to vote soon and my only even very very vague suspect is Agan - one of the most contributing players this far and someone I always seem to get in rows. But she voted me on Day1 once with silly and lightweight reasons, so I can do that to her if I can't think of anything else. ;)

I'm possibly off to reread now, depends on whether I x-post with interesting stuff...


edit: xed with Aganzir and Mac (and very glad to see him around, it has been too long since we last played ww together)

[Rikae]

Shasta, you're an Aquarius, correct?

Even showing up as late as I did, I almost had the opportunity to make my point about Mr. Underhill before anyone else, but then Nog had to go and mess it up for me. Eh. Revealing may be the best thing Frodo can do for the village. If we know who he is, as soon as a kill is missed (Frodo is changed) we can lynch him. Also, there is no incentive for a baddie to falsely reveal as Frodo, since changing the real Frodo will get the false Frodo lynched. Maybe he could serve as a known innocent of sorts? Nevertheless, it's up to the ringbearer.

On the other hand, if Bill Ferny doesn't count as a baddie in the head count, he is really no more powerful than a cobbler who has the ability to clue the wolves in to his own identity. This gives us some hope of catching him, as well as the wolves, since, knowing no more than any ordinary villager, the most he can realistically do is use daytime hints in addition to his nighttime messages to help the wolves find him.

By the way, I'm a Pisces (a real one). ;)

EDIT: X'd with the whole page and God only knows what else. By the way, I'm a fan of the gender-neutral pronouns, myself, but since we have a built-in gender for our gifted characters in this game, I went with that.

[Gollum the Great]

Narrowing down those to vote for...

Beregond and Mirandir get the newbie's prize. No vote for either today.

Meneltarmacil: I've only played one game with him, and that one not very actively. So he stays for now.

Durelin: See Menel, only no games.

Nogrod and Legate: their advice will be of use, assuming they're not wraiths. They stay- for now.

[Thinlómien]

Mister Ferny is a good-for-nothing if there's ever been one. I'm not sure, however, how much his special ability will help him. Since he can only send a name, and no reasoning, his guess at gifteds is actually worse than each wraith's own one. As Aganzir (I think) said, he might use his ability to identify himself to the wraiths. (Ha! I wonder whether he'll be gutsy enough to dare give his own name to this end in Night 2. )Something in this phrasing troubles me a little... I don't like it how much Mac has been thinking about this (or then I don't like the fact that I don't see how Ferny can identify himself to the wolves, but whatever, under no circumstances say it aloud) nor do I like him saying "this end". What the ?? It sounds like he was a wraith and made a silly slip.

And zis is what I like ze least:
I don't like zem eizer, but now I'm tempted to start using zem just to annoy you.:p;)


edit: xed with Klonkku Suuri

[Mirandir]

Something in this phrasing troubles me a little... I don't like it how much Mac has been thinking about this (or then I don't like the fact that I don't see how Ferny can identify himself to the wolves, but whatever, under no circumstances say it aloud) nor do I like him saying "this end". What the ?? It sounds like he was a wraith and made a silly slip.
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Or he could have made that "slip" unintentionally and is trying to lure you off the pace of the real wraiths. Just an idea.

[Thinlómien]

Or he could have made that "slip" unintentionally and is trying to lure you off the pace of the real wraiths. Just an idea.Oh yes, but then he's Ferny and he deserves to be lynched too. ;)

But people always make horrible messes out of "slips"... I'd just like Mac to clarify that sentence.

[Rikae]

About Barry and Andy - I, too, don't like to vote for newbies on Day one. However, I see no reason to assume newbies are innocent, and I will be keeping my eye on you both! I also have no scruples about voting newbies on Day Two. :p

Mac, that was a clever move you made there, but don't you think it might bring you under unwanted scrutiny?
(Lommy, I don't mean the "this end" thing, which is a pretty common figure of speech, to my eyes).

At the moment Nerwen is tripping my reindeer.... I think I'll refrain from saying more for the moment. Anyone care to make a guess? ;)

EDIT: X'd with Lommy and fixed a stupid typo. One too many "o"s in "to". I can't leave it that way, it makes my eyes burn.

[Aganzir]

(Agan, just find out your birth time and use one of the many online calculators.)
Yeah I've tried that but they give me different results. I was born half an hour past midnight around the date Sagittarius moves into Capricorn (is that the right way to say it? No? Anyway you understand what I mean). So I have no idea which one I am.

If I understand you correctly, then Frodo-ish behaviour is behaviour meant to get oneself killed.
Yeah that's what I meant, and you phrased it better than I did.

I can't see that. And that alone wouldn't help them because Ferny too should know them before they can form an alliance. I don't think we should worry about Ferny. I think you're making him a big threat which I can't see him being, and that makes me wonder. Who on earth would want to portray the situation in such grim light? Ferny herself, perhaps?
Okay I admit I am more paranoid about the cobbler than I usually am, but that is because Boro was the cobbler in last game.
However I think the wraiths & Ferny would find a way to exchange information and find out one another's identities, and that is why I said it aloud in the first place. It'll be more difficult for them if we try to watch for that kind of behaviour. And okay now I realise it might have been better to remain quiet about it, wait and see.

Weird again. The wolves, obviously.
Well what I thought was that if we pointed out possible Frodo hints we saw, there would be smaller chances that the wolves would attack these players as they might be protected or the newly turned Frodo would be easily tracked the following day.

Nerwen just after one bantery post, eh?
She had two. ;)

Argh I'm dead tired and I should just vote and go to sleep.

edit: xed with Gollie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, great. Lot of interesting stuff has appeared meanwhile, most interesting actually.

Yeah but would it help us or the wolves more if we pointed out Frodo-ish behaviour in others? That's what I meant.
Both. It's a double-sided weapon. For myself, I would try to spot it, but keep it to myself. Only after a strange Night, when we suddenly have four Wraiths (I guess we'll know that... or will we? Moddess?), we may bring forth our thoughts on who has been turned.

The thing is, I'm not sure if Mr. Baggins wants to do that. If I was him I'd certainly try to get myself killed and become a wolf (but then again, I love being a wolf, whereas some people like to have different tactics. I remember my first game where Kit the Shade [kind of an assassin/seer/ranger] sided with the village against all odds [and killed me on the last night]).
Well, that's you. I thought the basic idea was that he was supposed to try to be on the side of the goodies as long as possible, but I guess the rules would have to be more clear on that.

And I'm disappointed no one suspects me yet. Am I not sinister enough? I have access to swords, even if they aren't very good...
Be disappointed, but I don't actually suspect you yet. I was thinking about giving you some advice of an experienced herring-tradesman, but later I rethought, as I thought that it actually might be good if we have somebody's new, fresh point of view unbiased by previous experiences (unless, of course, your point of view is biased by the sunlight, as I heard the Wraith's sight is. But for now I am not suspecting you, like I said).

Socialism! *Is scared out of mind* Evil Legate, I for one will not redistribute my property amongst the great unwashed! *Closes Castle drawbridge* Ahh! Now my loot- that is to say my well earned capital will remain in competent hands.
Don't worry, Gollum. Once you are lynched or killed or whatever, I will make sure to confiscate your property for the State. Ha, confiscating swords... that sounds like another nice profession to do... I wonder if it could be passed as an order from the Party... so, if you by chance are not lynched or cannot be killed (being a Ringwraith), I will make sure it's confiscated nevertheless.

It's generally considered fair that newbies get a chance to play a bit longer than one day. It doesn't apply to everything, though - if you do something outrageously suspicious, you might get lynched very quickly.
Well, it's no real rule, but people try to be nice like that, generally :)

I agree with whoever it was that situation looks good. For the moment. What seems to be overlooked is that hanging over the Pony like the Sword of Damacles is the danger of losing an ordo and gaining another wraith. The Ringbearer will be their prime target and we cant spend valuable time chit-chatting (like me, for instance). Once a couple of Wraiths are gone then we'll be on fairly solid ground. Also I agree with the other whoever it was that Beregond and Mirandir should be given a day or two- but not necessarily the game. Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil? I hope there isn't a repetition of that here.

Okay, this post - it made me a bit suspicious of you, Gollum. All the day ranting about nothing (okay, of course I understand), but now you are doing a... hmmm... "Gollum 180°"? ;) (Not so hard for him. He is very agile.) But, actually, not so as much when I read your post again - what I was trying to say, it could have been programmed from a Wraith to behave like this and try now to seem nice and reasonable and all, even "self-critical" and "self-confessing" (this previous game thing), however, it would have been far better if you said this in the first half of the Day and not now... hmm... okay, true, it's just me and the Europeans for whom the time ends, Americans have the day in front of themselves yet... Well, okay, so, if you wish me to formulate it sensibly: I am a bit more aware of you, but not as much yet to call you a Wolf without reservations (or Wraith, for that matter).

Well the Ringbearer is an ordo for now, but xer death is probably only a matter of time. I think the best thing to do might be to remain quiet about who we think could be the RB and bring these points up only if the wolves get xem. Then we wouldn't help the wraiths or Billy to find xer, either.
Yes, actually, as you can see, I thought that as well originally - although I should mention one more thing, as I went through various stages of thinking, I also thought of this - there is one way of helping by revealing our thoughts on who Frodo is, and that is that we may help the Seer to See him. For old Barney Butterbur will know Frodo, and then could tell the Ranger, right? But still, it is probably safer to stay put about him for the time being.

Agreed. It's Bill Ferny we should go after, assuming xe is an asset to the wraiths. Does Ferny have any powers as an informant, or is xe only special because he can contact the wraiths, indirectly?
No, no, no. If you notice any Ferny, you should just ignore him, because his purpose is to make mess. We should go after the Wraiths, not Ferny.

About Frodo. I think that Frodo should actually do the decent thing and reveal himself if he felt he was in danger of being killed by Night. That way we could lynch him and prevent the birth of a fourth ringwraith. When Frodo is in danger great enough to reveal should surely rest on the ringbearer him(her)self; we others should not push him but should point that out.
That's exactly what I thought. Aganzir made me only aware of that, though, it depends on the Bearer's conscience.

About Ferny. I suggest we cut off the speculation about that old scrooge for Day1. Let's not help him. The less we speculate about him, the more he has to do himself.
Eeexactly.

The same goes with Dury's ranger impersonation. Let the wolves chew it for the time being. We should bother ourselves with it only later if it looks like it.
What? I must have missed something. Or are you pulling something, Nogrod? (Or I am dumb?)

All right. Now one interesting thing. This Fëa's post:
Well, as it's the first day and I have had no dreams that I wish to lay carefully before you, and I've got no evil plans I'd like to implement, I need somebody to suspect.

Innocents on Day One atypically have anybody to gun for based on actual evidence, so I figured I should come up with some sort of guideline to slim down the pool of possible people for me to latch onto immediately. Usually on the first day I pick at total random because I have nothing better to go on yet. This time I decided that 'enthusiasm = reason for enthusiasm' seemed like a pretty fair thing to go on.

Thus my otherwise random suspicion (since I have nothing solid to go on).

Okay, I quote just a bit, but on first sight it's probably nothing in particular - but it's been the post as a whole. I have been thinking. She said twice "dream" in her post, and even otherwise, it seemed... well, weird. And this suspicion for Sally, okay, one could look at it from various angles, but then I thought of one thing...
What if she is the Informer?
The Cobbler, simply. Cobbling around. Making a mess. I would not have given any much special importance to either just by itself - saying "dream" twice like that and this suspicion can be anything - but if you think about it as a Cobbler, it kind of makes sense. So...?

The only thing is - is the Informer actually a Cobbler? Because in fact he is not so. However, by confusing people, he could help the Wolves - what else would he do, besides trying to point out the Ringbearer. And mainly, by Cobbler-ish behavior, he may try to get the Wraith's attention.

Agan does not quite sit right with me anyway. She does not suspect me (yet) and she says weird stuff. Also, she's a cruious mixture of her late noisy ordo-style and her reserved wolf-style of past. That seems a bit fishy to me. Okay, I don't want to judge this quickly, but I'm keeping an eye on xer.
I wonder why or what. Okay, she may be - as she is often - doing this "seeming innocent, but not being so". But actually this far I do not think even that, or at least nothing rings my alarms (well, which may be the problem, but whatever). I wonder however...

I quite like Fea's tactics. It makes me feel pretty good about her. But it does also look like a terribly convenient way of wolfing around.
Now this is interesting when I consider what I just thought of Fea (associating? The question is, if you - as a Wraith - would be able to discern Fea as Informer just from what she said before, mainly, since you claim you crossed with that last post of hers, which made me suspect her).

Anyway, combined with the way you post... your posting is weird. It was the first post, and this one is it again, so it was not just a random thing. If I were to try to define it, you are posting here and there "joking" bits, which can't be even serious, like this:

And what's this show of Nogrod's about making just a few posts? Nonsense, I say!

While trying to appear reasonable and post reasonable sometimes at the same time. It does not make much sense to me. It does not feel like you, basically.

EDIT: X-ed since Little Green

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I disagree with you Legate, I do not think that Brinn or Lommy has said anything of substanse. . . It is just the usual "look at me I am all serious about the game" nonsense that allways pops up, it is no more usefull than the in charachter banter, but it is less intertaining.

It would be foolish of me to assume them evil because of these comments, but it is worth taking a note about. It shows that they to some degree would like to be viewed as people who are focused on catching the evil-doers.

Anyways I am afraid I won't be around much today, I have many things that needs tending to.
(I am babysitting my little brother)

[Thinlómien]

Agan - you ruined my nice sort of plan by sounding innocent. :p

Rikae - I feel like an idiot. :rolleyes::D


edit: xed with Legate and Runne

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My previous post was originaly written just after Legate had written post nr 47. but I lost connection to the barrow-downs. Anyways I am back home for an hour or so and will try to read through the action and contribute a bit.

[Beregond]

I go away for an hour and I feel so behind! Posts come in faster than I can read (literally)! Does this mean I can't go to bed tonight? I won't be able to post as much in days to come...today is unusual in that I haven't been very productive, so I have time to WW. :p

Gondy? I like that. Or maybe Gondie?

Gondy? Not bad! I prefer it over Gondie though - Gondy is more masculine. :p Just don't call me Ghandi - too much to live up to.

[satansaloser2005]

Hello, children. I meant to stop in this morning at work, except I um... couldn't access the... village...

Anyway, I'm here and my only goal for day one is to try to scare wolves by attempting to vote for one, given that logically their only real fear on Day 1 is to be accidentally caught, since they haven't left behind any clues yet that could actually lead straight to them.

I think... Sally.

Sally shall be my go-to person for a lynch target for now.

She just seems to enthusiastic, and I tend to find that the more enthusiastic players on day one usually have a special role.

So I shall just go take a bit of my belladonna now, nap for a little while, take advantage of an unexpectedly free afternoon...

Awwww, thanks sweetheart. I feel so loved! :)

(Actually, I just REALLY didn't want to do my paper.)


Sorry to come in this late but I actually had a 14-hour workday today and have basically just come home and eaten the first time today (10PM). I'll be reading next and come back then.

*hugs you* Poor kid. I hope you've got a full tummy (and leftovers ;)) and can get a chance to relax. :)



So, apparently Gollum has a vote. Good for Golly. Good Golly, in fact. (Two points. First, I am really sleep deprived. Second, Agan, I love you for coming up with that name. Made me giggle.) I'm almost certainly going to wait a while to vote (I actually plan on taking a nap, if no one minds) but I'm pretty sure I won't be voting him.

Anyway, to nap land, but I'll be back later and since I'm no longer trying to avoid my paper I'll probably post something of at least some substance.

[Aganzir]

Good catch about Mac Lommy. Because that just looks like either "Hey I'm Billy and I'm gonna give you my name this night!" or "Hey Billy would you like to give us your name?".

I thought the basic idea was that he was supposed to try to be on the side of the goodies as long as possible
I recall Kitanna said it's up to the RB in the admin thread... At least I think so. It might have been another thing as well.

What? I must have missed something. Or are you pulling something, Nogrod? (Or I am dumb?)
You remember how Aragorn was first pictured in Lotr? :p

Agan - you ruined my nice sort of plan by sounding innocent.
Sorry love. :p

Okay I'll go take a shower & be back to vote. I find it immensely unfair though that you only start posting when I want to go to sleep!

edit: xed with Rune, Berry & sally

[Thinlómien]

Now this is interesting when I consider what I just thought of Fea (associating? The question is, if you - as a Wraith - would be able to discern Fea as Informer just from what she said before, mainly, since you claim you crossed with that last post of hers, which made me suspect her).I'd love to be so sharp (but I wouldn't love to be a wraith, thank you). The thing with her is that she mostly felt like innocent Fea in her first post, in the second one less so but not suspicious either. And I must add she always talks about dreams and confuses people with her manner, whatever her role.

I should go to sleep now. :( And I should vote. The problem is that there's no one who'd strike me as particularily wolvish.

And thanks to Rune I have a certain very silly song stuck in my head. :rolleyes:


edit: xed with Salt and Agony

[Meneltarmacil]

Urghhh. I'm sorry to be late, guys. I'm having the worst hangover ever after last night and

**BBBLLLAAAARRRRGGGHHH**

Ooh, sorry. I'll go clean that up.

Anyhow, about this post:

you can actually rest assured you're not lynched because of trying to actually do something...

Unless you're Nog, in which case you'll be killed Day One no matter what you do.
Now, now, I think Nog will probably last until Day 2, given my presence.

OK, about Ferny and the Ringbearer, I agree that Frodo should reveal xyrself to us at some point, but probably not on Day One or Day Two. Three might be a good time to consider it. As for Ferny, I suggest looking at those who ask a lot of prying questions while shying away from revealing xyr findings to us (that is, gathering information but not letting us in on it).

Now I'd like another beer, please. I need to drink this terrible headache off, and Macalaure's post about Frodo is not helping it either.

[Mirandir]

(Re: Fea) She said twice "dream" in her post, and even otherwise, it seemed... well, weird. And this suspicion for Sally, okay, one could look at it from various angles, but then I thought of one thing...
What if she is the Informer?

However, Fea has traditionally been known to do whatever she can to throw people off track, including alluding to roles that she does not actually have. To give something away this early is more likely than not just part of her grand scheme to get us all hopelessly confused.

[Thinlómien]

I forgot this:
If I were to try to define it, you are posting here and there "joking" bits, which can't be even serious, like this:

And what's this show of Nogrod's about making just a few posts? Nonsense, I say! I don't seriously get why Nog wants to be so quiet. I find it weird. But I also find it amusing and a good topic of making fun of. :p

Mac gives me headache.

edit: xed with Menel
edit2: and Mira

[Nogrod]

K.

On Day1 one doesn't want to lynch the first-gamers to be sure. So Gondie (I prefer that soo much over a dull Bere... :)) or Mira will not receive my vote toDay.

Also those joining the game after a longish pause or those I have not played with in a long time I tend to look more easily on Day1. So I will not be voting Dury, Nerwen or Rune either.

Continuing on principles.

Those who I think are the greatest assets to us if innocent (who fex. can carry the game on when there are a lot fewer players left, or who could be independent-minded enough not to be lured by a strong wolf in the endgame) I'd like to have around. Like those I feel innocentish by the way of theior posting this far, to be sure. So I'm not voting them blindly on this Day1. And that's quite some of you guys. Sure, were there something like actually a believable "case" against one of you I'd be happy to act on it but like Lommy I have found basically only Agan a bit suspicious - but that's not yet enough for me to vote her on Day1.

Well, maybe Mac's post was a bit... having a kind of a calculated spirit on it or something. Somehow it felt to me like a wolf who has nothing to say in earnest and has to stick with "easy" ideas others have already mentioned - and in a manner & style I do find a bit suspicious indeed. I mean compare to Rikae's first post where she acknowledges things have been said by others - and she is even able to crystallise the points she decides to still bring forwards to really hammer down the politics for the innocents. She looks very much innocent, he doesn't so much.

But I will not be voting Mac either toDay. It's too little and too vague to lose him were he an innocent. I just had to say that as I have learned lately my time is short on these villages. :(


But these demarcations leave me with a list still and even if I'm quite sure we'll have one ringwraith in here "for sure" (statistics), it will be more than hard to say who of them is one.

Not seen around:
Meneltarmacil

Very little to go on and the master of looking innocent:
Brinniel

Always the hardest nut for me to crack:
A Little Green

Just the banter-people:
Lariren Shadow
Shastanis Althreduin
Gollum the Great
satansaloser2005

As now it looks like I'd be drawn to try one of those only banter -people. Maybe I'll vote one of them and then see if I can wake myself up early enough to see whether there is reason to change the vote?

I hate the deadline, by the way.Even if that is quite strongly put I must agree at least partly. A terrible time, 8AM... :eek:

EDIT: X'd over a host of posts: some of what I said may be due to reconsideration... *goes back to read*

[Rikae]

Well, that's you. I thought the basic idea was that he was supposed to try to be on the side of the goodies as long as possible, but I guess the rules would have to be more clear on that.

Yeah, I thought the same. If he's an ordo until changed, then I would assume he's "supposed to" behave as an ordo, i.e., try to help the village to win. (Although I can absolutely see the appeal of changing sides.... mwahahaha!)

Agan - you ruined my nice sort of plan by sounding innocent.

Rikae - I feel like an idiot.

Yeah, I can't put my finger on it, but somehow Agan's words have a ring of truth... :D

Don't feel like an idiot -actually, it was quite a funny pun when you pointed it out.

[Rikae]

Good catch about Mac Lommy. Because that just looks like either "Hey I'm Billy and I'm gonna give you my name this night!" or "Hey Billy would you like to give us your name?".


Well, now that you drag it all out in the open, it could just as well be intended to confuse Billy and/or the wraiths.

[Thinlómien]

Continuing my flip-flopping on this topic...

++Aganzir

No, I don't think she's a wraith. She might be but I don't suspect that very much, The problem is that I don't suspect anyone else of being undead either. (Q: What is a 'downsian traitor? A: Undead. Hahahahahaha.)

But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Aggy happened to have Underhill or Ferny as her last name, and that's why I'm picking her instead of someone else just as unwraithish.

And besides, maybe some of our eternal ww-grudges get settled a little if I vote her on Day1 like she did to me a few games ago. ;)

Now I'm going to sleep - my alarm clock is in six hours or so! :eek:


edit: xed with Rikae's latest - yes, that's why I said he gives me headache. But he probably gives headache to the baddies too, so I will bear it. Now, really, good night, people!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

(Ha! I wonder whether he'll be gutsy enough to dare give his own name to this end in Night 2. :D )
Great. So what shall we do with you now, Mac? Especially if the RW's get your name tonight. Which of course, the normal villagers won't know, but if the RW's see "Mac" tonight, they know who their informer is. A great way to do that. Fantastic, as the villagers won't be there to see it, thus have no evidence against you.

If I understand you correctly, then Frodo-ish behaviour is behaviour meant to get oneself killed.
This is a note on the general idea of this being true: Not necessarily. Like I said, I presumed that Frodo would try to play for the village's side and if he were to bring hints, I imagined he would do that to make the village aware that he should be protected or such (cf. the role of the Ranger and the possibility of Barney informing the Ranger of Frodo's identity if he knows!). Only twisted people like Aganzir or TP, who is not among us now here, come up with such ideas like wishing to become a Wraith... :rolleyes:

Frodo just wants to win. If the innocent side seems stronger, he'll try to avoid being killed (like everybody), if the evil side seems stronger, he might try to set himself up. I don't think he tries to be killed from toDay on.
However, this idea sounds more sensible.

I can't see that. And that alone wouldn't help them because Ferny too should know them before they can form an alliance. I don't think we should worry about Ferny. I think you're making him a big threat which I can't see him being, and that makes me wonder. Who on earth would want to portray the situation in such grim light? Ferny herself, perhaps?

Weird again. The wolves, obviously.
All right, Lommy is not as sinister as I thought, not always at least.

I just wonder if Wolf-agan would be so silly (read: careless and likely not to succeed) to do things like that, trying to convince the village or the Ringbearer to point himself out, so that they could catch him... but perhaps, probing?


Even showing up as late as I did, I almost had the opportunity to make my point about Mr. Underhill before anyone else, but then Nog had to go and mess it up for me. Eh. Revealing may be the best thing Frodo can do for the village. If we know who he is, as soon as a kill is missed (Frodo is changed) we can lynch him.
Yes, but there's this thing that this way Frodo nobly sacrifices himself (by revealing). And, takes one chance from us lynching a Wraith, okay, he could become one himself, but then, if he is not under direct threat, we may get one Wraith AND have still innocent Frodo among us (you see what I mean?). Unless he is under direct threat, I don't think it's good for him to reveal - also simply playwise (that's what I think Kitanna had in mind when making this role). Otherwise he could reveal on Day 1 in his first post, which I find a bit silly.

You remember how Aragorn was first pictured in Lotr? :p
Okay. I was confused, because it seemed to me that Nog is being serious, and I could not decipher about WHAT.

EDIT: X-ed since Mira

[Gollum the Great]

Okay, this post - it made me a bit suspicious of you, Gollum. All the day ranting about nothing (okay, of course I understand), but now you are doing a... hmmm... "Gollum 180°"? ;) (Not so hard for him. He is very agile.) But, actually, not so as much when I read your post again - what I was trying to say, it could have been programmed from a Wraith to behave like this and try now to seem nice and reasonable and all, even "self-critical" and "self-confessing" (this previous game thing), however, it would have been far better if you said this in the first half of the Day and not now... hmm... okay, true, it's just me and the Europeans for whom the time ends, Americans have the day in front of themselves yet... Well, okay, so, if you wish me to formulate it sensibly: I am a bit more aware of you, but not as much yet to call you a Wolf without reservations (or Wraith, for that matter.)

Wait, wait, wait. You claim that I spend the first half of the day joking around. Fine, no issue there. But then you say that I could have been programmed as a wraith to "do a 180", switch around and talk big. I was commenting on things others had spoken which had not been in the thread before. The points had not yet risen, I could not build off them.

And I'm going to leave soon, and so vote within the next 15 minutes I expect.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

One note. Gondie sounds really, really awful. I am going to call him Gandhi.

[Beregond]

I had no idea this game was so time-consuming! I'm not sure I want to live till the end, hehe. However, I remain committed to purging the land of wraiths. I have no real suspicions yet, but since I don't know anyone's style, that's no surprise.

I think it's the job of other people to give someone a nickname, so I'll let you call me whatever you like. I hope it's standardized soon, though confusion could work in my favor in later games. :p

Am I right that the vote must be in by midnight (or the end of the day, whatever time that may be)?.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

And Noggy I wouldn't take weed even if you offered it to me! I am not into smoking you know. ;)


You don't have to smoke it, you know. . .there are other ways.

Okay, I've decided to vote

++ Gollum

because he's the one I feel the worst about. I know that's not much said at this point, but if that's the best I can do then it is. Now I'm off to bed and let the little Lommie-Wommie post. Good night and Night.

I hate the deadline, by the way.

That was predictable!
Not that Greenie voted for Gollum, but that Gollum would attract votes on day one.

To be honest I have spotted little that I found worthy of mentioning, mostly because I did not read it closely. . .it was not very interesting.

So far my tactics must be to get more atention than fea in this game, yeah I know, but you gotta aim high some times.

[Gollum the Great]

That was predictable!
Not that Greenie voted for Gollum, but that Gollum would attract votes on day one.

Why?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, now that you drag it all out in the open, it could just as well be intended to confuse Billy and/or the wraiths.
Well, but thinking of it, if the Wraiths don't get Mac's name today, then they are clear he is not the Informer. Or from another point of view, if he is not, then the real informer would be silly - after what's been said now - to send Mac's name to the Wraiths. Whereas, great. He could send them his name and they'll be clear. I really don't like it, the more I think of it. What did you think when you said that, Mac? That I would like to know. What gain did you expect from that? What gain for the village?

No, I don't think she's a wraith. She might be but I don't suspect that very much, The problem is that I don't suspect anyone else of being undead either. (Q: What is a 'downsian traitor? A: Undead. Hahahahahaha.)
Okay, now this is serious - do you think she just needs some sleep, or is she getting a bit silly? :D

Wait, wait, wait. You claim that I spend the first half of the day joking around. Fine, no issue there. But then you say that I could have been programmed as a wraith to "do a 180", switch around and talk big. I was commenting on things others had spoken which had not been in the thread before. The points had not yet risen, I could not build off them.
Of course. And it's perfectly reasonable, I am aware of that. Okay, my post had a bit two edges: one was this sort of suspicion, the other was intended to be also a "push" for you for the future, eventually, if you are innocent, to post sensibly also in the beginning, not just realise that when it's already almost DL (where I realised, it's just for somebody who is going to sleep, like me). This 180 is actually the main point about the suspicion, simply the sudden change. But like I said, nothing that bad. Explanation accepted.

I had no idea this game was so time-consuming! I'm not sure I want to live till the end, hehe. However, I remain committed to purging the land of wraiths. I have no real suspicions yet, but since I don't know anyone's style, that's no surprise.

Well, you'll get used to it - it's always just times when people are around in large numbers, around deadlines and such, in contrary, sometimes it is annoyingly quiet :)

EDIT: x-ed just with Runne&Gollum

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Is Mac around still? I would really like to hear from him about that...

[Rikae]

Yes, but there's this thing that this way Frodo nobly sacrifices himself (by revealing). And, takes one chance from us lynching a Wraith, okay, he could become one himself, but then, if he is not under direct threat, we may get one Wraith AND have still innocent Frodo among us (you see what I mean?). Unless he is under direct threat, I don't think it's good for him to reveal - also simply playwise (that's what I think Kitanna had in mind when making this role). Otherwise he could reveal on Day 1 in his first post, which I find a bit silly.

True, he might be passed over by the wraiths by night while we lynch them during the day - but, call me pessimistic, I don't think it's very likely he won't be changed. The innocent Frodo, unknown, is a threat, and otherwise no more use than any other ordo. Revealed, he no longer offers much advantage to the baddies.

I haven't played with a cursed villager before, but don't they usually not even know their own roles? A cursed who knows his role is another story altogether. We're not forced to lynch a known, wraith-ified Frodo right away, either, if we have other good prospects, so I don't know how we're forced to miss a chance.

Still, it also occurs to me that a known, but not publicly broadcast, converted Frodo could be even more help to the village in some circumstances. Well, we shall see.

[Gollum the Great]

Not voting for:

Menel
Mira
Ghandi
Durudude
Nog
Legate


That leaves:

Lommy
Mac
Greenish
Rikae
Sally
Shasta
Lari
Fea
Rune
Brinn
Nerwen
Agan

I don't want to vote for Sally or Shasta, I have nothing to base it on and I don't want to give the impression of taking the jokes too seriously.

Greenie... I don't know. That shot on me seems pretty wild, but then she hasn't got evidence on anyone- that I know of.

*Draws name from hat* and it is...

Find out in Gollum the Great's next post!

[Beregond]

If it's helpful at all to point out: everyone involved in the game has now posted today.

EDIT: xed with Golly, and wondering why he's not voting for Legate? In fact, no one's stated suspicion of Legate yet, have they? I don't have any reason to either, but I still thought it odd.

[Mirandir]

Gollum, did you forget to mention Bere or am I just missing something?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I could vote for Aganzir as her style never really sits well with me.

I could vote for Lommy, Legate, Mac or Rikea, because I am against couples entering ww games.

I could vote for Menel, because I am against people who cannot hold their liquor. A proper drunk never gets sick of drinking. . .such a wannabe.

I won't vote for Gollum as he is the obvious day 1 lynch.

Unless something dramaticly happens the only other people I would consider are people like Brinn that I hold grudges against. . . Anyways I shall go have a pint or two before I vote. (The service here is too slow)

[Gollum the Great]

Gollum, did you forget to mention Bere or am I just missing something?

Sorry, I missed him. I'm not voting for him.

++Brinn

[Rikae]

About Mac - my first thought was, yes, Ferny won't send Mac's name to the wraiths now, plus, whatever name the wraiths get, they won't know whether it is a suggested lynch and therefore a non-Ferny or Ferny himself, and therefore it won't be a whole lot of use to them.

Of course, if he's Ferny, it makes it easy for him to reveal himself.

I'm not saying he's innocent, but one thing I'd like to point out about Mac is that he does tend to go pretty far when speculating about what the baddies might do. I'll just say I'm not seeing that particular comment as proof of anything. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a particular plan behind it at all.

[Macalaure]

Just one thing now... there’s dinner being cooked.


Something in this phrasing troubles me a little... I don't like it how much Mac has been thinking about this (or then I don't like the fact that I don't see how Ferny can identify himself to the wolves, but whatever, under no circumstances say it aloud) nor do I like him saying "this end". What the ?? It sounds like he was a wraith and made a silly slip.

I didn’t think that Bill’s desire to identify himself to the wraiths is a secret, but yeah, maybe he didn’t get the idea himself. :rolleyes:

Seeing the other comments on this, I think this line will haunt me for a while...

*orders Ibuprofen for everybody*

What did you think when you said that, Mac?

Bill giving his own name to the wraiths was a funny thing I came to think of when thinking about the two new roles. Funny because it’s a pretty dangerous thing for Bill to do. Of course, now that this idea has been treaded out, it has lost its danger. I shouldn’t have mentioned it at all, in hindsight, but I didn’t see these reactions coming.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why?

Sorry I missed that post earlier. . . Basicly because you started the game of in charachter and made a lot of noice, that stuff is always labeled as "usual day 1 banter" and yet almost always result in a lynch.

It is actually quite interesting to see how people often start of with saying "this is probably an innocent trying to get the game started" and then end up voting for the person because they cannot build a real case against anyone.

People should know better!

[Gollum the Great]

Sorry I missed that post earlier. . . Basicly because you started the game of in charachter and made a lot of noice, that stuff is always labeled as "usual day 1 banter" and yet almost always result in a lynch.

It is actually quite interesting to see how people often start of with saying "this is probably an innocent trying to get the game started" and then end up voting for the person because they cannot build a real case against anyone.

People should know better!

Thanks!

And good-bye, everyone. Got work.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

True, he might be passed over by the wraiths by night while we lynch them during the day - but, call me pessimistic, I don't think it's very likely he won't be changed. The innocent Frodo, unknown, is a threat, and otherwise no more use than any other ordo. Revealed, he no longer offers much advantage to the baddies.

I haven't played with a cursed villager before, but don't they usually not even know their own roles? A cursed who knows his role is another story altogether. We're not forced to lynch a known, wraith-ified Frodo right away, either, if we have other good prospects, so I don't know how we're forced to miss a chance.

Still, it also occurs to me that a known, but not publicly broadcast, converted Frodo could be even more help to the village in some circumstances. Well, we shall see.
You are perfectly correct about it being a completely new perspective (although I am not sure if I have ever played even with a "normal" cursed villager).

Hmm. But whatever. As for Frodo revealing, just to clear it up a bit, I am thinking in various scenarios:

1.
DAY X
Frodo thinks he is going to be targeted at night. Under these circumstances, I think he should go and shout out: "I am the Ringbearer!" This way, the village will be aware, if anything happens.

2.
DAY Y, Y= something like Day 1 or so
There is no special reason why Frodo should be targeted (or so people think). Under these circumstances, I see no particular reason for him revealing.

***
However, there is also one thing to consider, and this is why I asked whether we would know when Frodo is turned (from the narration - like: "Now, you have 4 Wraiths."). Because if not, then it is actually even more dramatic and sinister if we know Frodo's identity, or if the Ranger knows - because, imagine it: Frodo reveals. Everybody knows. Ranger knows. Nazgul attack Frodo. Ranger protects Frodo. But the villagers won't know whether Frodo has been turned or not. The next day, Frodo goes all: "No, no, I am innocent, leave me alone!" But what now? The only one who knows the truth is the Ranger (and the Nazgul) - and he certainly should not reveal just because of that (on the contrary, I deem he should be careful in such situation. But not suddenly overly careful, of course. Just so that he does not get suspected by the Nazgul as being a Ranger). So what should the village do? Lynch Frodo? What if he is innocent. Then Ranger's save was in vein (okay, not really - the Nazgul lost one kill). Well... okay, maybe still this situation would be positive for the village anyway.

But all of that presumes a "good" Frodo - i.e. not one who would wish himself to be Wraithised. Hmph.

EDIT: x-ed since the Rikae I quoted

[Beregond]

Gollum, did you forget to mention Bere or am I just missing something?

I think I'm Ghandi now.

Sorry, I missed him. I'm not voting for him.

Hmn - am I Ghandi? You have Ghandi on the list. I'm confused, and I'm him!

[Nogrod]

Okay there finally goes my idea of posting only once or twice on Day1... :rolleyes:

But I really thought of trying it after the last game which wasn't the first one where I got lynched basically because I spoke a lot and tried to actually say something and suspect people openly to get conversation going, and not only tried to survive. I was actually thinking of this one as a trial of just "surviving" -game, playing like Kath or Eomer or... But one's nature seems to be stronger than one's reason. :)

Anyway it's bad when the game only gets interesting at the hour you need to go to sleep.


But some notes on the recent discussions.

Interesting this mass-psychology is.

After reading Mac's first post I was feeling quite uneasy but after looking at it again I kind of fell back thinking I should not bother myself with it toDay too much and should just think of a best possible quess at whom we should lynch toDay. But after seeing that some others had also noticed the post and made some suspicions along the lines that fit my own I started thinking of Mac as actually suspicious again.

The same - albeit on the contrary fashion - goes for Aganzir whom I really thought was looking suspicious in the beginning; but after she made a few points herself and after a few people made points about her I feel much more comfortable with her.

Now why?

Because that's what we humans are, prone to agree with others, prone to agree with majority - at least in situations where we're not too certain ourselves. And that's the thing that causes all those ill-adviced bandwagons as well.

I haven't played with a cursed villager before, but don't they usually not even know their own roles?I think that is the case. But then again at least I was of the impression that Frodo knew his role so he was technically not a "cursed villager" but that was a new role - just as Ferny was a new role and not the cobbler as such.

EDIT: X'd since the end of the last page...

[Rikae]

Mac, you didn't mention that you cross posted with me. I find that suspicious! :p

Mmmmm, dinner.

(Somebody's gotta find that suspicious, eh?)

Say, while I'm away, isn't anybody going to humor me and guess why Nerwen is diabolical, naughty, sinister and all around eeeeevil? Anybody...?

[Nogrod]

I could vote for Menel, because I am against people who cannot hold their liquor. A proper drunk never gets sick of drinking. . .such a wannabe.Precious!!! :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Bill giving his own name to the wraiths was a funny thing I came to think of when thinking about the two new roles. Funny because it’s a pretty dangerous thing for Bill to do. Of course, now that this idea has been treaded out, it has lost its danger. I shouldn’t have mentioned it at all, in hindsight, but I didn’t see these reactions coming.

All right. It is true that still, the Nazgul can't say whether the name coming from Ferny is going to be him or not. Nevertheless, I guess, if he could not come up with it himself, why to help him with suggesting such ideas...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think I'm Ghandi now.
Hmn - am I Ghandi? You have Ghandi on the list. I'm confused, and I'm him!

Okay, shouldn't we just try to avoid the confusion and call him Beregond? It's not that horribly long after all.

Or Bereg. But there we go again...

[Aganzir]

Sorry I am simply too tired to think.

Currently the only one I find even a little suspicious is Mac, just because of that Ferny comment of his. Apart from it he looks rather innocent. But I wouldn't like to vote for him now after last game.

It probably tells something about my level of tiredness that I only now realised why Lommy found Mac's "to this end" suspicious, and laughed aloud at it for a while.

I just wonder if Wolf-agan would be so silly (read: careless and likely not to succeed) to do things like that, trying to convince the village or the Ringbearer to point himself out, so that they could catch him... but perhaps, probing?
Do what? Sorry I just don't get what you're talking about.

Okay my vote is probably one of the most random I have ever cast.

++Lari

Because she has been mostly bantering thus far, and she deserves a vote after last game. I don't have an opinion about her at all, really, but I rather don't give a second vote for Golly today.

Off to sleep.

edit: xed with Legz. No we should call him Berry.

[Mirandir]

Okay my vote is probably one of the most random I have ever cast.

++Lari

Because she has been mostly bantering thus far, and she deserves a vote after last game. I don't have an opinion about her at all, really, but I rather don't give a second vote for Golly today.

Didn't she say she had class or something earlier and wouldn't be able to be in the village?

[Nogrod]

Now why is there all this talk about Bill's options?

I could bet on it that through all this discussion at least some are trying to give hints to each other eg. at least Bill or / and a ringwraith are included in the speculation - trying to kind of hint at the other party of the conspiracy who they are...

Even if Bill is powerless right NOW the wraiths would not like to kill someone who is favourable to their cause accidentally in the beginning as that partnership could be worth gold in the endgame. So even if the wraiths are after Frodo and Butterbur as their first targets, they'd sure like to know the identity of Bill Ferny as well just as to make no bad moves during the first Nights.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Do what? Sorry I just don't get what you're talking about.
I am saying it in the very same sentence. Right after the comma. "...that, [i.e.] trying to convince..." I guess it may just look somehow out of context, I wrote that sentence when I was reading the thread and later I could not realise what it belonged to (if in some way to Lommy's comments?) or if it was just a thought formulated not as response to anyone's post, but just general. It is referring to this thing you have been talking about since very early, this topic of whether we should talk about the Ringbearer, and at the beginning, you seemed to suggest, or at least not dismiss completely the idea that the RB should stay put. (And, speaking of that, only very later you reevaluated. Perhaps under the general pressure, but before that, you wanted to try anyway?)

No we should call him Berry.
Berry Gandhi? Or Gandhiberry?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. I am going to vote and then go to sleep, and really don't expect me to be here for the DL. I will be sleeping.

But, whom to vote...

Suspicious at least in some way
Fea
Mac

Less suspicious at least in some way
Lommy
Agan
Gollum

Lack of participation or such (or not enough to ponder from them, at least)
sally
lari
Shasta
Nerwen
Menel
Durelin
LG
Brinn

Innocent-seeming, or at least with not enough suspicion for them
Mira
Rikae
Nogrod
Beregond
Rune

Hmm. I am still wondering about Mac. I am only afraid it may become a bandwagon. And the funniest thing is that I said about both of my main suspects that they are Ferny. Although Mac could be a Wraith more likely. And I don't have actually that much about Fea.

I will think yet a few moments, or see whom I cross-posted with. Maybe I will get some idea.

EDIT: So I crossposted with no one. Great. Hmm... all right, in that case, I will think about it a few minutes, then vote, and then go to sleep.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Let it be so.

++Mac

Mainly for that Ferny thing. Or, it would be better to say only for the Ferny thing. I really do not have much suspicion against anybody, and this at least was bad enough move in my opinion anyway. Whatever.

Good night.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In response:

Yes, Rikae, I am an Aquarius. The angle of Uranus to Jupiter and the Moon tells us, though, that I'm infused with watery influence, making me an exception to the previous statement.

++Lommy

Yes, I know you're famed for flip-flopping, Lommy dear, but that business of "No, I don't think Aganzir is a wraith, but I'm going to vote her anyway!" is just too much. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

I think this Day has not been in vain so far as there are a few promising leads already. So good job people!

But there's clearly not enough for me to go for a lynch for these louder ones as yet. So my votelist will still be:

Lariren Shadow
Shastanis Althreduin
Gollum the Great
satansaloser2005

They have basically been just in-character and there's not much help in their posts to catch a ringwraith. So with the logic of columnist Michael Kelly: as they are not helping us they're helping the other party.

Lari was like that the game before (her first) and she was a wolf there. So why should we believe her thisd time if she's just trying the same card - even if she really had timetable -problems as well? Then again it would be a little improbable she would start her WW-career with being a baddie twice... Interestingly enough Mira has come to argue for her I think twice already...

Shasta has been cloaked by his role entirely. There's nothing he has said but he has made a presence in the first part of the game. Of these I still think Shasta the most innocent-looking from an imagined premise that he has had no time to come online after his burst of posting early on the Day.

Gollum looks like an "easy lynch" (like Rune and I think some others as well have alrerady commented) and the question just remains whether that is true or is he once again playing the card that is assumed from his behaviour? Somehow I'm a bit baffled about his activity and tone toDay. Like in his post #90 he says first of Menel and then of Legate and me that "they stay". Like it was under his decision who lives or dies (and not a democratic vote) - and the only one to think that way is the ringwraith's way of thinking... And well many other things, like his continued insistence to set right things said about him and the fervour by which he claims to be the number one poster while actually providing very little indeed but being friendly - which sure is the most wolvish trait there is...

Sally then looks like Sally. No thoughts whatsoever she's given on this Day1. Just fun and banter. And yes she's cute and fine and funny... but she's that as a wolf as well... and she's intelligent enough to calculate her vote whilst being ignored by others...

I need to have a pipeful before I vote. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Nobody finds me suspicious? Come on, people, do yuu want me to be killed at night or something? :rolleyes:

Lists are fun.

Most guilty:
Nerwen - but I won't vote for her today, because she hasn't played in a while.
Lommy - may get my vote.
Berry - Not getting a vote because of newbie immunity.

Neutral thus far, and I like to keep them around for closer observation:

Nog
Fea
Mac
Agan

Most innocent:

Legate - He just seems sincere. I like the way he's exploring different possibilities in a very transparent-looking sort of way.

Boro - He hasn't done anything remotely suspicious. :p

Everybody else:
No opinion

[Mirandir]

Lari was like that the game before (her first) and she was a wolf there. So why should we believe her thisd time if she's just trying the same card - even if she really had timetable -problems as well? Then again it would be a little improbable she would start her WW-career with being a baddie twice... Interestingly enough Mira has come to argue for her I think twice already...

Not to further the idea that Lari and I are aligned, but I have a tendency to play devil's advocate. You'll notice that I also came to Mac's defense earlier in the Day. No need to lynch without looking at all sides of the issue.

[Meneltarmacil]

Aganzir is not *hic* looking suspicious to me. She *hic* thinks it more likely that the Ringearer wants to be a *hic* wraith, which is under*hic*standable. She also *hic* thinks Frodo should not be our primary *hic* concern, which makes sense. There are worse characters out *hic* there to worry about. Her vote is odd, even *hic* though she acknowledged it was random.

Mac is *hic* a major puzzle, but I need more *BUUURRRPPP* time to look over his posts.

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Nogrod]

The votes and the justifications of them so far...

A Shot in the Dark
Okay, I've decided to vote
++ Gollum
because he's the one I feel the worst about. I know that's not much said at this point, but if that's the best I can do then it is

Continuing my flip-flopping on this topic...
++Aganzir
No, I don't think she's a wraith. She might be but I don't suspect that very much, The problem is that I don't suspect anyone else of being undead either. (Q: What is a 'downsian traitor? A: Undead. Hahahahahaha.)
But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Aggy happened to have Underhill or Ferny as her last name, and that's why I'm picking her instead of someone else just as unwraithish.

*Draws name from hat* and it is...
Find out in Gollum the Great's next post!
... = the next post
++Brinn

Okay my vote is probably one of the most random I have ever cast.
++Lari
Because she has been mostly bantering thus far, and she deserves a vote after last game. I don't have an opinion about her at all, really, but I rather don't give a second vote for Golly today.

Okay. Let it be so.
++Mac
Mainly for that Ferny thing. Or, it would be better to say only for the Ferny thing. I really do not have much suspicion against anybody, and this at least was bad enough move in my opinion anyway. Whatever.


++Lommy
Yes, I know you're famed for flip-flopping, Lommy dear, but that business of "No, I don't think Aganzir is a wraith, but I'm going to vote her anyway!" is just too much.

Soo fine and dandy! All the votes so far have gone to different players!

Greenie -> Gollum
Lommy -> Aganzir
Gollum -> Brinn
Aganzir -> Lari
Legate -> Mac
Shasta -> Lommy

Bah! They can all be construed as suspicious votes! Ones of being the "easy votes", others for trying to get rid of a dangerous opponent later on...

Although somehow I must say I will add Greenie to my list of possible votes toDay as her first vote is just too easy (yeah time-troubles and sharing a computer with Lommy etc. but that is soo secure a one!)

I think I should add this one to the mix as well: I agree with whoever it was that situation looks good. For the moment. What seems to be overlooked is that hanging over the Pony like the Sword of Damacles is the danger of losing an ordo and gaining another wraith. The Ringbearer will be their prime target and we cant spend valuable time chit-chatting (like me, for instance). Once a couple of Wraiths are gone then we'll be on fairly solid ground. Also I agree with the other whoever it was that Beregond and Mirandir should be given a day or two- but not necessarily the game. Remember me in Di's game, using "newbieness" as a cloak for for my evil? I hope there isn't a repetition of that here.I just have a terribly bad feeling about this. It just looks so calculated! From someone who actually used his newbie-status so cunningly in his first game this looks like a natural follow-up were he a wolf a second time on this one...

Nobody finds me suspicious? Come on, peopleWell, I kind of do, a bit at least as I can see you have been one of the prime motors on this discussion on Bill Ferny and what he should do and what not...

[Brinniel]

Good god, it took me long enough to catch up with this thread...

I have a feeling Brinn could be something other than she seems - she was the first to really encourage proper discussion and then she left, almost to deflect suspicion and avoid notice all in one. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't know as she is who she says she is.

I do not think that Brinn or Lommy has said anything of substanse. . . It is just the usual "look at me I am all serious about the game" nonsense that allways pops up, it is no more usefull than the in charachter banter, but it is less intertaining.

It would be foolish of me to assume them evil because of these comments, but it is worth taking a note about. It shows that they to some degree would like to be viewed as people who are focused on catching the evil-doers.
Do you guys really think the content of my single post was some sort of strategy? I hate to disappoint you, but I have a RL and it's more important than WW. I had already taken a sleeping pill at the time I made my post, and while I would've liked to contribute more, I also didn't want to crash on top my keyboard. I hoped to post this morning but I didn't have time, and I've been in class all day. I've had an exhausting week and while I'd like to, I simply don't have tons of energy for WW right now. I'm sorry if I sound irritable, but I am tired and I have no patience for anyone criticising me due to the lack of substance.

Anyways, I never meant to say much in my first post...I felt I should at least check in since I knew I wouldn't be around until late in the Day when half the players are sleeping. But I decided to comment on the banter because while it's entertaining, there was simply too much of it going on...and banter is an easy way for a wraith to hide.

Frodo just wants to win. If the innocent side seems stronger, he'll try to avoid being killed (like everybody), if the evil side seems stronger, he might try to set himself up. I don't think he tries to be killed from toDay on.
I agree. While he may be innocent for the time being, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll continue to act that way. Frodo teeters on the brink between innocence and evil. And I don't think he necessarily has the village's best interests at heart. He'll simply do whatever is best for him.

Revealing may be the best thing Frodo can do for the village. If we know who he is, as soon as a kill is missed (Frodo is changed) we can lynch him. Also, there is no incentive for a baddie to falsely reveal as Frodo, since changing the real Frodo will get the false Frodo lynched. Maybe he could serve as a known innocent of sorts? Nevertheless, it's up to the ringbearer.
Okay, I find anyone who thinks that Frodo would even consider sacrificing himself at this early stage a bit idealistic. Whoever is Frodo signed up for this game because they want to play...it'd certainly be no fun to give up and reveal from Day 1. I'd think our Frodo would want to have more fun with the role than that. Also, once Frodo is changed, he is on the side of the wraiths. A lynching after he has changed could mean a loss for the wraiths. And why would anyone want to lose?

Unless something dramaticly happens the only other people I would consider are people like Brinn that I hold grudges against
That's a silly reason to vote for someone. If anything, you shouldn't immediately vote someone you have a grudge against because your opinion on them is slanted. No, it's better to wait and give a real reason to vote for them based on posts and behaviour in the current game, and certainly not from experiences in past games. I'll be seriously disappointed in you if you choose to vote for me for that reason alone.

[Nogrod]

Sorry about the repeating but I needed that myself as those vote-posts are more vague as they are...

So I looked another time at the reasons for voting this far. And they are just terrible (and they all can't be baddies!). :)


Greenie - "because he's the one I feel the worst about. I know that's not much said at this point"

Comment: very easy, picking the most "obvious" choice as the first vote. Suspicious indeed!


Lommy - "No, I don't think she's a wraith. She might be but I don't suspect that very much"; covered under the possible revenge-scenario of settling their relationship right... And adding the cautionary measure of: "But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Aggy happened to have Underhill or Ferny as her last name, and that's why I'm picking her instead of someone else just as unwraithish."

Comment: Even by Lommy's standards this is a bit too careful and too over-explained vote...


Gollum - "*Draws name from hat*"

Comment: Stating that one's vote is random means that you discharge yourself from the responsibilty of making the vote but still you make the vote and thus help lynching someone. Downright awful, undisgraceful, cowardish, irresponsible, worth of lynching on any occasion where you have no better targets!


Aganzir - "Okay my vote is probably one of the most random I have ever cast." And add to that this: "she deserves a vote after last game. I don't have an opinion about her at all, really".

Comment: Look above for my view of stating openly the randomness of one's vote. The following explanation kind of makes the vote even worse.


Legate refers to Mac's "Ferny thing" and says: "I really do not have much suspicion against anybody, and this at least was bad enough move in my opinion anyway. Whatever."

Comment: The first decent vote thus far... the problem is that it looks soo nicely like one an intelligent wolf (which Legate would be) could come up with... Not a reason to suggest lynching him toDay though - although I think of his eagerness to vote for Mac on Day1 a bit suspicious anyway - with these grounds...


Shasta - "Yes, I know you're famed for flip-flopping, Lommy dear, but that business of "No, I don't think Aganzir is a wraith, but I'm going to vote her anyway!" is just too much".

Comment: That looks like purposefully trying to ignore Lommy's actual and clearly stated point (which I think was over-explained but that's another issue). He refers to Lommy's reputation of being a flip-flopper and decides to ignore what she writes in the matter of fact - which is that she doesn't think Agan is a wolf / wraith but that she is Frodo / Bill. That is very much lowbrow and suspicious as I think Shasta is a reasonable guy anyway. So what is he thinking by making that argument? A forced argument?

[Brinniel]

ToDay I will not vote for:

Legate (got lynched early last game he was in)
Rikae (I think it's been a while since she's played)
Nogrod (I helped get him lynched last game and I don't think he'll ever forgive me if I vote for him on Day 1 again :p )
Beregond (newbie)
Mirandir (newbie)
Meneltarmacil (I'm tired of seeing him always die so early in the game)
Durelin (I don't recall her playing for awhile)

Of course, none of these players are excused from a possible lynching come toMorrow. Especially the newbies, as I've learned my lesson from last game. ;)

Which leaves:

Sally
Feanor of the Peredhil
Lariren Shadow
Shasta
Lommy
Aganzir
Gollum
Nerwen
Rune
Mac
A Little Green

I'll more likely vote for someone who's already received a vote so not to spread out the votes too much. Though no guarantees.

[Rikae]

For what it's worth, I, at least, play the role given to me, idealistic though that may be. Regardless of what side he's on, Frodo is not a werebear, out for himself. Ordos work for the village's benefit, so as long as he is one, that's the side he has to play, even if it makes things more difficult later. Don't you think I might love to assign myself the role of unofficial cobbler (in all the games I've played, I've never once been a cobbler)? Only the moddess can tell us for sure, but it seems to me like Frodo turning "cobbler" before he's been turned into a wraith isn't really playing fair.

Of course, Frodo may have good reasons to keep quiet for the time being - but if he's going to play his ordo role to the best of his ability, he might want to think about playing in such a way as to trap his possible future wraith self (who knows, maybe he's smart enough to outfox himself, and the rest of us, in the end, anyway).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I will not vote for:

Rikae (she's trying too persistently to draw attention to herself; I shan't give it :p)
Mac (he's interesting to have around later)
Mirandir (she'll kill me in RL if I kill her first day of her first game)
Nogrod (I still kind of feel guilty about last game)
Beregond (newbie gets a free day one pass)

I will not abstain from voting for, if need be:

Durelin
Lariren Shadow
Shasta
Lommy
Aganzir
Nerwen
Rune
A Little Green

I'd rather vote for:

Gollum
Menel
Sally
Legate

I shall now go watch Grey's Anatomy. If you need me or Lari, we're in front of the television. :Merisu:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

because I stole her list so I wouldn't have to get one from elsewhere.

My bad.

I'm totally willing to lynch Brinn today. No joke.

[Rikae]

Rikae (she's trying too persistently to draw attention to herself; I shan't give it :p)

Heheh.

I don't know whether I've said the same about you before, or only thought it, but either way, fair enough. :D

[Macalaure]

Nevertheless, I guess, if he could not come up with it himself, why to help him with suggesting such ideas...

True, true...


It's frustrating - I just reread most of the entire day to find something suspicious, but I didn't, and I don't want to construct something just to justify a vote. I didn't even find something semi-suspicious to blow up and put pressure on somebody to see what happens. Very dissatisfying...

[Beregond]

Do you guys really think the content of my single post was some sort of strategy? I hate to disappoint you, but I have a RL and it's more important than WW. I had already taken a sleeping pill at the time I made my post, and while I would've liked to contribute more, I also didn't want to crash on top my keyboard. I hoped to post this morning but I didn't have time, and I've been in class all day. I've had an exhausting week and while I'd like to, I simply don't have tons of energy for WW right now. I'm sorry if I sound irritable, but I am tired and I have no patience for anyone criticising me due to the lack of substance.

I was grasping for something, anything, at the time. :)

And still am. As a newbie I'm trying not to make the easy vote, but... I have to rely, to some extent, on the opinions of others, as I don't want to lynch one of the good guys in an effort to be different. So I'm going to wait a while yet before I make my vote.

[Mirandir]

I will not vote for:
Mirandir (she'll kill me in RL if I kill her first day of her first game)

Heh, love you Fea. Looks like she figured out I'll stop randomly appearing in her kitchen to make her food if she kills me off Day 1. :D

[Rikae]

Went back to see just what it was that unnerved me in Lommy's posts, and I think it mostly boils down to this:


I can't see that. And that alone wouldn't help them because Ferny too should know them before they can form an alliance. I don't think we should worry about Ferny. I think you're making him a big threat which I can't see him being, and that makes me wonder. Who on earth would want to portray the situation in such grim light? Ferny herself, perhaps?

If the wraiths know who Ferny is, they can probably find a way to tip him off. This just struck me as a sinister looking attempt to downplay the danger (sure, Ferny isn't much of a problem early in the game, but if he lives, and he very well might with his informant powers, he could cost us the game). The last sentence looks especially bad - just the sort of vague insinuation that baddies love to make.
Then there's this:
Haha, this looks suspiciously like a case. :D;) But it's not one. I don't really suspect you. (I don't suspect anyone.)
The lady doth protest too much.

This was coupled with her reaction to Mac's "to this end" remark, but overall, now that I examine these things, they start to look a bit more innocent.

I was just reminded of something someone else said that I ought to take a second look at, though. Back soon.

[Nogrod]

Okay, I find anyone who thinks that Frodo would even consider sacrificing himself at this early stage a bit idealistic. Oh you cynical Americans! Hasn't Barack Obama thought you anything yet? :rolleyes: (rolleyes for the possible ill-conceived idealism of that phrase...)

If I were Frodo - sorry, Mr. Underhill that is - I would seriously consider revealing it toDay... well I would hope to be able to bet for myself living toMorrow to conceal it in peace for toMorrow - and I would think it not twice but like hundred times... it would be an issue to me, really. A tough one looking at the good of the village and my role in it- and the possible change of my allegiance - and how to undo it before it happens as I would be for the village before the possible turnover. I couldn't play looking at it from the point of view of "let's see if I can choose my side later".

But that's personal.

And anyway we don't know who is Mr. Underhill and that makes it hard. The revealment of your stance (with Agan's and Rikae's) makes me wonder whether we can trust this Underhill fellow anyway... whatever he says s/he is. I started this game trusting he would play on our side and took it for granted but maybe everyone is just for themselves and not for the common good?

*Could it be? Really?*

Or at least some price their individual success higher than the good of their community - and thus themselves as well? I mean what is the good of yours when your neighbours suffer? Can you really enjoy that? Are you a human any more if you can?

One more reason we should stick to socialism like Legate called for!

:p


Coming to the bussiness then as my time runs out definitively.

It becomes between Gollum and Aganzir I think...

There were other terrible reasons but saying you make it random is the worst way of trying to ensure you don't have to stand for your vote later.

But which one?

Gollum acts almost hyperactive at times and that might suggest wolf trying to make better of his earlier submarine style being at stake.

Aganzir votes more clumsily she normally does and claims "random vote" whilst giving some really bad half-excuses for her vote...


++ Gollum

In a way Agan's vote looks more dishonest than Gollum's as her reasons are soo bad and in general her vote is more forced than Gollum's and one should think she would be able to do it better ehatever her role is. But that's just the point: were she a ringwraith she would have been more cunning and careful.

So Gollum looks to me the more promising choice. He has been unexpectedly active and still his posts are mostly devoid of substance and mainly banter when they are not concerned of him trying to paint himself looking good or "correct" any bad ideas about him, his vote is painted as to be a totally random (guilt! guilt! guilt!) & at times his posts are too carefully construed to give an impression of innocense.

ADD: And he's careful enough not to offence anyone or suspect them in a way that might create a backlash...


Greenie -> Gollum
Lommy -> Aganzir
Gollum -> Brinn
Aganzir -> Lari
Legate -> Mac
Shasta -> Lommy
Nogrod -> Gollum (Gollum2, Lommy1, Mac1, Lari1, Brinn1, Agan1)


Good night!

[Rikae]

Ah, here it is:

Good catch about Mac Lommy. Because that just looks like either "Hey I'm Billy and I'm gonna give you my name this night!" or "Hey Billy would you like to give us your name?"

Lommy didn't say that (at least, not anywhere I can see). What she did say:
Something in this phrasing troubles me a little... I don't like it how much Mac has been thinking about this (or then I don't like the fact that I don't see how Ferny can identify himself to the wolves, but whatever, under no circumstances say it aloud) nor do I like him saying "this end". What the ?? It sounds like he was a wraith and made a silly slip.

[Macalaure]

The state of cluelessness.

Could vote:

Sally - chatty, as usual. More actual input, please
Lari - has escaped my attention thus far
Shasta - see Sally
Gollum - could be anything
Nerwen - needs to talk some more before I can decide
Lily - unclear picture, need to have another look at her

Wouldn't like to vote:

Fea - to much fun to have around to vote without reason
Mirandir - newbie-bonus
Lommy - has done nothing to make me suspect her
Legate - probably the most innocent-looking person around
Rikae - I would probably find myself sleeping on the couch if I voted her today ;)
Aganzir - hasn't made a suspicious impression and is too valuable to vote heedlessly
Nogrod - looks innocent, as unlikely as that might seem
Brego - innocent-looking + newbie-bonus
Rune - hasn't played in a while (I think) and does not look suspicious
Menel - I lynched him last game. he needs to talk more, though
Durelin - hasn't played in a while. she needs to talk more, though
Brinn - probably innocent, but not sure


I couldn't play looking at it from the point of view of "let's see if I can choose my side later".

Come on, Noggie, you got to have a sneaky side, too. ;)

[Rikae]

The above might need additional commentary.
Trying to pass off someone else's point as one's own is somewhat suspicious. More suspicious: trying to pass off one's own point as someone else's.

EDIT: And by "the above" I mean my post. X'd with Mac.

[Lariren Shadow]

Ok, I know this whole talk has been said and done but I'm going to give my two cents on the whole Frodo and Ferny thing.

Nominally Frodo is on the good side. In my opinion it would be better for xe to reveal sooner rather than later, so we can lynch xe(am I using that right?). That way we don't end up with this situation: thinking we have one wraith/wolf left and then coming to the next Day with two wolves/wraiths. Also the whole sooner rather than later means that the innocents have numbers on their side. Right now there are three wraiths/wolves. We can out vote them even with Ferny. That's just what I think.

We could also run into this problem: Frodo reveals too late and, assuming the Ranger is still there for protection then xe ends up having to protect Frodo every night as opposed to the other players. Then once the Ranger is gone Frodo is there for the wraiths/wolves taking.

Ferny is not a threat at all. Ferny doesn't know the roles of who xe passes on. For all intents and purposes Ferny is just an annoying player.

Aw Agan, glad to know that I have a reputation right now. It is totally undeserved though.

I have no idea who I'm going to vote for. Right now its back to Grey's:). I know, judge me away.

[Nogrod]

Come on, Noggie, you got to have a sneaky side, too. ;)That's not the question. I think - and hope - I have my "sneaky side" on everytime I play.

But being sneaky is different from being dishonest or being a traitor to the cause you're set up with... You can't start a game with: "let's see if I switch sides and therefore I should play with neither side's good in view in the beginning". Just think of it. When will you decide that "gosh, they never changed me into their side!"? So if you count on that possibility of a change in the beginning and act accordingly not helping the good side you're already on the "dark side" - which you should not be as you're defined as one playing the good side in the beginning! :D

[Rikae]

A couple responses to Lari:

I wouldn't want to lynch a revealed Frodo right away (assuming we know when he's turned). Until then he's basically a known innocent, and that makes it harder for the wraiths to hide during the day.

Also, normally rangers can't protect the same person two nights in a row, - so if Frodo's revealed, his survival for more than one night depends on the ranger's ability to bluff (and the wraiths' bad luck) - unless I'm mistaken and this game has a different sort of ranger.

Mac - am I correct in concluding you don't find anyone suspicious, and want to vote for someone you have no idea about?

Nog - glad to see someone agrees with me!

[Nerwen]

Okay. That was quite a headache to get through.

All this talk about Ferny and Frodo and what their motivations are and what they should do... well, certainly, it was going to get talked about on Day One, just to get conversation going... but it seems to me that it's gone on a little too long, and I'd say the odds are pretty good that certain nefarious people are trying to send signals to each other. I know I'm not adding anything new by saying this, but Mac's thing about how Ferny could let the Wraiths know his identity looks just awful (at the moment this is making Lommy and Legate look quite good to me). I'm also wondering about Evil!Frodo trying to clue the Wraiths in on his identity, but I don't know if I should get more specific.

EDIT: X'd since Rikae at #152... and now there's a whole lot more to read. Oww!

[Nerwen]

The above might need additional commentary.
Trying to pass off someone else's point as one's own is somewhat suspicious. More suspicious: trying to pass off one's own point as someone else's.

While there are reasons to find Aganzir suspicious, starting with her random vote, I don't think that's one of them. That's what I assumed Lommy meant, too.

[Brinniel]

For what it's worth, I, at least, play the role given to me, idealistic though that may be. Regardless of what side he's on, Frodo is not a werebear, out for himself. Ordos work for the village's benefit, so as long as he is one, that's the side he has to play, even if it makes things more difficult later. Don't you think I might love to assign myself the role of unofficial cobbler (in all the games I've played, I've never once been a cobbler)? Only the moddess can tell us for sure, but it seems to me like Frodo turning "cobbler" before he's been turned into a wraith isn't really playing fair.
Well no, Frodo's not a cobbler. He is on our side...until the wraiths try to kill him. I can't imagine switching sides so suddenly is an easy business, but at the same time a cursed role could be a fun role to play and honestly, I wouldn't blame Frodo if he did want to be turned at some point...it's certainly more fun than say, turning himself in. In any case, Frodo has to be prepared in case he gets turned. I doubt he'd act cobblerish...he wouldn't want to stand out too much because if he gets turned before he gets lynched then he could become an easy lynching target...and once a wraith, he certainly wouldn't want that. While it may be easiest for the village, I think asking the Ringbearer to reveal on Day One only so he can get lynched isn't a very fair request. This WW game is exactly what it is...a game. It's not about winning or losing as much as having fun. A player should be able to get the most they can out of their role...simply giving yourself up may be easy, but it's certainly not as fun for anyone. If I were Frodo, I wouldn't reveal just because a couple people told me to, especially not on Day One. Surely I'm not the only one who feels this way?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Okay there finally goes my idea of posting only once or twice on Day1... :rolleyes:

But I really thought of trying it after the last game which wasn't the first one where I got lynched basically because I spoke a lot and tried to actually say something and suspect people openly to get conversation going, and not only tried to survive. I was actually thinking of this one as a trial of just "surviving" -game, playing like Kath or Eomer or... But one's nature seems to be stronger than one's reason. :)

Anyway it's bad when the game only gets interesting at the hour you need to go to sleep.


Stop crying, otherwise we will end up having the same discusion we have had the last 5 times we have played ww together. . .

Good god, it took me long enough to catch up with this thread...


Do you guys really think the content of my single post was some sort of strategy? I hate to disappoint you, but I have a RL and it's more important than WW. I had already taken a sleeping pill at the time I made my post, and while I would've liked to contribute more, I also didn't want to crash on top my keyboard. I hoped to post this morning but I didn't have time, and I've been in class all day. I've had an exhausting week and while I'd like to, I simply don't have tons of energy for WW right now. I'm sorry if I sound irritable, but I am tired and I have no patience for anyone criticising me due to the lack of substance.


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That is quite a strong reaction considering no proper accusations have been raised against you, it seems like an overkill to bitch so much about so little.

To be honest I have no understanding for the RL is more important than WW atitude. If RL was so Important you should not have signed up, I can understand that RL obligations get in the way, but one cannot expect to get special treatment because of it.

Also it is weird that it is us who is the culprits. . .it was not us who chose to take that sleeping pill, if it ment such a difference, then maybe you should not have taken it before writting a post ? (just a thought)



That's a silly reason to vote for someone. If anything, you shouldn't immediately vote someone you have a grudge against because your opinion on them is slanted. No, it's better to wait and give a real reason to vote for them based on posts and behaviour in the current game, and certainly not from experiences in past games. I'll be seriously disappointed in you if you choose to vote for me for that reason alone.

Again quite a strong respons considering that all my reasons to vote for people where silly. . .

Anyways don't you think I was disappointet when I found your teeth imbeded in my throat last game, after I had given you the benifit of the doubt?
I would be lying if I said that I did not long to place a rusty brie smelling knife in your back!

[Meneltarmacil]

If there's one thing this game has taught me thus far, it's that I shouldn't play Werewolf when I've already got both school and my D&D campaign to deal with. I can't possibly keep up with all these posts.

Oh well. Nogrod, Aganzir, and Brinniel all seem to be making sense to me thus far and I'm not voting for them.

Macalaure may be stumbling over the fact that he's a wraith and can't twist the villagers' words into anything suspicious, as his last list gives mostly "innocent" and "no clue". Gollum's bantering could be a way to look alert and talkative without actually contributing everything.

I guess I'll go with

++Macalaure

for now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

If there's one thing this game has taught me thus far, it's that I shouldn't play Werewolf when I've already got both school and my D&D campaign to deal with. I can't possibly keep up with all these posts.


There is a relatively simple solution to that: Quit D&D

anyways, I have reached the conclution that I will be voting for Brinn, Lommy or Aganzir.

I must admit that just now I feel most like voting for Brinn, but I am going to think about it for the next 10 min before I vote.

[Brinniel]

I must admit that just now I feel most like voting for Brinn
If you do, I hope you have a good reason for it.

No, seriously. I don't care if someone votes for me. But if they do it for lousy reasons, it just ticks me off. And I'm probably not the only one who feels this way. :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Obviously it would be a great reason, that is after all what day 1 is known for. . . Everybody is presenting mindblowingly good cases against each other all the time.

I can promise you that I will not vote for you if I have a much better reason to vote for another, that is all.

[Brinniel]

To be honest I have no understanding for the RL is more important than WW atitude. If RL was so Important you should not have signed up, I can understand that RL obligations get in the way, but one cannot expect to get special treatment because of it.

Also it is weird that it is us who is the culprits. . .it was not us who chose to take that sleeping pill, if it ment such a difference, then maybe you should not have taken it before writting a post ? (just a thought)

I'm not asking for special treatment, but RL should be taken into consideration...for everyone. I don't not post intentionally. When I have something to say, I say it. And I signed up for this game because I do have time to play...but still, don't expect me to lose sleep over it! And does the latter have any relevance to WW? I would've gone to sleep regardless; it was late and I had to get to bed.

Anyways don't you think I was disappointet when I found your teeth imbeded in my throat last game, after I had given you the benifit of the doubt?
I would be lying if I said that I did not long to place a rusty brie smelling knife in your back!
You don't have to throw that in my face because I honestly did feel bad about it. But I plead for my life not to manipulate you, but to save myself. I was desperate to stay alive so I could redeem myself and not let down my team. I wasn't just gonna confess because everyone suspected me. What would you have done in that situation?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Lommy: She has 1 vote already and the last few times she has caused me a lot of grief, simply because I have been unable to read her.

Aganzir: She has 1 vote and her style of play can annoy me and take my focuse of the task at hand, also she seems like the kind of person who enjoys killing people in their sleep.

Brinn: has 1 vote and reacted extremely to rather innocent remarcs, basicly seems very defensive. . . I really do not understand her reaction, it does not seem like a reaction that evil-doers nor innocents would benifit from.
I find it odd.

++Brinniel

Be mad if you like, I care not.

[Durelin]

Hmm...well, I looked over the thread a bit anyway...

People who bother me: Brinniel, Nogrod, Rune, and A Little Green.

Brinniel bothers me the most. She needs to relax. Rune is being ridiculous. He needs to relax, too. Nogrod is being contradictory. He always needs to relax. A Little Green is being sneaky.

Hmm.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm going to vote now so that I can crash comfortably for the night.

Following Rune for Brinn- I'm terrified of this girl no matter what team she's on. I won't have her slip past me in this game. Sorry, hun.

++Brinniel

[Macalaure]

Mac - am I correct in concluding you don't find anyone suspicious, and want to vote for someone you have no idea about?

I might have to, but I’ll try to find something better.

Macalaure may be stumbling over the fact that he's a wraith and can't twist the villagers' words into anything suspicious, as his last list gives mostly "innocent" and "no clue".

Excuse me? I can see how people could regard me as suspicious at this point, but that reasoning is ridiculous...


I have a few question marks to have a look at again now.

[Rikae]

At the risk of reminding everyone of the infamous Legate-wagon from the last game:
Brinn's worrying me a bit, too. It's not the defensiveness; innocents can be very defensive, sometimes more than wolves (call it righteous indignation, I guess) - it's the fact that she's encouraging Frodo to play in such a way as to make a more useful addition to the wraith team.

Also, the more I consider it, the more possible it looks that Mac is indeed evil. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, consider all possibilities, etc. - I don't really want to see him go toDay in any event. But I don't trust him, either.

I'm still not sure who to vote for.

[Lariren Shadow]

Votes so far, I believe:

Greenie -> Gollum
Lommy -> Aganzir
Gollum -> Brinn
Aganzir -> Lari
Legate -> Mac
Shasta -> Lommy
Nog -> Gollum
Menel -> Mac
Rune -> Brinn
Fea-> Brinn

Brinn 3, Gollum 2, Mac 2, Agan 1, Lommy 1, and Lari 1

I should vote soon and go to bed.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay. So apparently I had a very nice nap. :rolleyes:

I've read through and noticed a couple things but, as of yet, nothing is hugely popping out at me. That being said....

People who never buy me dinner (They's nasty, precious)
Brinn (after the brilliance of her last wolfdom anything's possible)
Rikae (oh, let's face it, she's just always evil. But I've not played with her in a bit and she's fun to keep around, so for now she may stay)
Noggie (too tricksy for his own good. all the time)
Agan (as I said in the Christmas card I sent her, she's always evil, no matter her role ;))
Mac (I know he's tricksy, and adaptive, but after last game I'm hesitant to lynch him. however I wouldn't put it past him to make use of that and perhaps try to play the innocent card when he's really hairy and nasty)


Sleepover buddies (people I probably won't kill toDay)
Lari, Mira, Beregond (too new to not feel guilty about killing them toDay, but that state of grace won't necessarily last forever)
Nerwen (probably evil, but I'll let her stay another Day since she hasn't played in a while :p)
Gollum (to make up for last game, and because I don't think he's a good Day One kill this game. Perhaps later, but I'll let him stay for at least another Day)
Shasta (just does not seem evil to me. I know he's being silly and not terribly useful, but he strikes me heavily as an innocent, and I think I've gotten over my "holy crap my logic is working backwards" slump. hopefully)
Menel (too amusing. I'm not going to lie)


By the way, those aren't in any particular order. I just put them in as they came to me. Going to catch up on the thread again now.


EDIT: x'd, obviously, though I'm not sure how far back. sorry

[Brinniel]

Ugh, I really regret joining this game. This week's been stressful for me and and I didn't expected to be so exhausted, but it's put me in a sour mood today, and I apologise it's affecting my play so much. I'm mostly just mad that Rune seems to suspect me no matter what I say. I'm sorry I irritate him so much, but I probably shouldn't be in the same game as him..

[Nerwen]

I'm thinking of voting:

Mac –because his stuff about Ferny's role looks unpleasantly like either a hint from Ferny to the Wraiths or one from the Wraiths to Ferny. This is what I thought myself while reading the post, before I saw other people's comments.

Gollum for random voting and way to much empty banter.

Aganzir for random voting and going on about Frodo.

Brinn for defensiveness and for that post where she seems (following Rikae's comment at #180) to be giving instructions to a would-be wraith Frodo.

What is worrying me, though, is that any of these four could be called an easy lynch.. and nobody seems to be trying to save any of them.

I might also add Rikae for acting like a cobbler at times, therefore possibly Ferny– however, she's made that point on Brinn which is quite good, and certainly better than the actual reasons people have voted her.

EDIT: first sentence left out.
EDIT2:X'd since Lari at #181.

[Brinniel]

Brinniel bothers me the most. She needs to relax.
I agree. I need a nice warm bath right about now. But this late deadline is keeping me from it...

[Mirandir]

So far no one is sticking out as obviously needing to be killed toDay. There's not enough evidence due to lack of posting by some parties and others I just don't know what to make of. However, Lommy's flipflopping has been bothering me for the past few pages and thus has my vote.

++Lommy

[Durelin]

I really don't think Brinniel is a wraith. I think she needs what she says.

Looking at things again I found Lommy to be interesting to me. Her way of going after Aganzir but not really is rather funny. Partly just because it's them.

And I just previewed my post to refresh the thread and I see she has another vote. Hmm.

[Macalaure]

Sally didn’t say anything of consequence, but I don’t get a sneaky vibe from her banter. Her post above could come from both innocent or evil fingertips.

Gollum is somewhat creepy and his vote is random. I’m very slightly suspicious, but mostly I’m not sure what to do with him still.

Shasta said nothing of consequence either, except for his vote, which looks as if he just chose the first best person to say something he didn’t like. This is not necessarily suspicious for him, but it’s not helpful either.

What bothers me about Nerwen is that her list of suspects is followed by "each could be an easy lynch". I'm always suspicious at attempts to downplay one's suspicions, though this is a very minor case of it. It's not enough to make me vote her toDay, as she's a very valuable villager, but I'm slightly suspicious.

There’s been nothing but in-characterness, late role talk, and a vote count from Lariren. I hope to see a little more.

Not much to go at concerning Lily. She has said enough to be involved and gave an early vote on a gut feeling (which looks better than admitting to a random vote, but for the rest of us, it’s the same). A wraith with little time could smoothly play this way, but so could an innocent.


PS: *hugs Brinn*

[Beregond]

Alright, to business. We have two interesting new fellas in our village, Mister Underhill and Mister Ferny. While Mister Underhill is a pure and innocent hobbit, he might want to get himself killed should it at some time look as if fate stands against us - to secure victory at least for himself. Mister Ferny is a good-for-nothing if there's ever been one. I'm not sure, however, how much his special ability will help him. Since he can only send a name, and no reasoning, his guess at gifteds is actually worse than each wraith's own one. As Aganzir (I think) said, he might use his ability to identify himself to the wraiths. (Ha! I wonder whether he'll be gutsy enough to dare give his own name to this end in Night 2. :D )
Anyway, especially with this conscious cursed villager around, it's extra important to get a wraith or two early on.


Okay, I've read this too and it seems fishy. Others have said it before, but that doesn't lesson my opinion. My gut feeling is saying Mac's acting suspicious, and in the end that's the best I have to go on. Unfortunately if my gut is wrong, I'll probably have something shoved through it tomorrow.

Sorry Mac, nothing personal, but I think you're evil. :)

++Mac

[Rikae]

This is why I dislike voting late - the field is narrowed, and any other vote becomes a "throwaway". But let's see:

I have some suspicions toward most of the people who have votes already. However, I already said I don't want to vote Mac or Agan today... Lari hasn't set off any alarms... and I don't want to vote Brinn toDay because:
a) I fear I might suspect her based mostly on philosophical differences
b) doesn't seem like a very nice thing to do right now and
c) I don't trust the Brinn-wagon, particularly Gollum and Fea.

That leaves Gollum, and I don't know what to think of him. He does seem enthusiastic, but I'm not sure that's a particularly good reason to lynch him; however, by process of elimination, I might just end up voting for him.

[Durelin]

++Lommy because she seems sneakiest to me right now.

[Rikae]

Ooops, I realize I didn't mention Lommy. I thought I had. :rolleyes:

Anyway, after looking at her she looked slightly better, and I'm not sure what to make of her interaction with Agan, so I'd rather not vote for her, either.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, I've narrowed it down amongst those who have votes. Here are my thoughts. Pretty much x'd since my last, as my friend just showed up and I've not read the last few posts with any sort of attention span. ;)


Brinn: Could be. Very well could be. But her suspiciousness (if that's even a word) could just be stress since she says she's been having a rough day or two. Perhaps we should give her the benefit for toDay? We'll see.
Gollum: would be a typical first Day lynch, and too easy a way out. He may be evil, but as I said in my previous post I'm not wanting to lynch him toDay
Mac: He seems a bit off to me. I mean I honestly don't see anything HUGE wrong with his posts, but I just have a suspicion about him. Can't lie.
Agan: her vote was a bit strange, and she's been going on and on (at least more than I think necessary) about the Ringbearer role. It's as if she's intentionally trying to take focus off lynching the wraiths.
Lommy: I'm iffy on Lommie. I'll go over her posts again later and see what is supposed to be so suspicious about her, but for now I don't want to lynch her.
Lari: I'm really not buying into this. She's not said a lot, and none of it seems suspicious. Besides, Agan even said her vote was super random so I'm hoping people don't go along with it.

Again, pretty much x'd since, well I suppose not my last, but Brinn's post right after it pretty much

[Rikae]

Greenie -> Gollum
Lommy -> Aganzir
Gollum -> Brinn
Aganzir -> Lari
Legate -> Mac
Shasta -> Lommy
Nog -> Gollum
Menel -> Mac
Rune -> Brinn
Fea-> Brinn
Mirandir- > Lommy
Beregond- > Mac
Durelin- > Lommy

Brinn 3, Lommy 3, Mac 3, Gollum 2, Agan 1, and Lari 1

[Lariren Shadow]

Ok so here's a few of my lists:

People I know I'm not voting for:
Mirandir: New, gets the same treatment I got...which means by Day 3 if you're still around I will totally suspect you as fair game.
Beregond: See above.
Shasta: I want to wait and see what he thinks of our zodiac signs.
Nog: Because I want to see him play
Menel: See above.
Mac: Because he is entertaining.

People who I might consider:
Agan: Well, she will never trust me again might as well feed the fires:p
Fea: Who doesn't like a good Fea vote on Day 1?
Durelin: Though I know it's her character, for some reason the whole fact that its point to a ranger makes me think that, if Kit were a little tricky, making her a wraith/wolf would be interesting.
Lommy: For reasons stated before.

People I have no idea about:
Sally: Well, I am watching her, but nothing has happened yet.
Legate
Greenie
Rune
Rikae
Gollum: Part of me thinks the participation there is from my reasons for wanting Gollum gone in the last game.

I really hope that's everyone.

[satansaloser2005]

++Mac

Sorry, sweetie, but I'd rather see you go than the two ladies.

I think Brinn should at least be given another Day and Lommie doesn't seem that suspicious to me.

[Brinniel]

it's the fact that she's encouraging Frodo to play in such a way as to make a more useful addition to the wraith team.
I wouldn't encourage Frodo to do anything...it's totally up to him on how he wants to play. If he wants to reveal, go ahead. And if he wants to be turned, let's hope we lynch him first. But there's no harm in me saying what I'd personally do if I were in that role...or is there?

I am disappointed to see that no one seems to really want to play for the fun of it anymore and would rather take the easier route if it means winning. Is that how you guys really feel? Just because something is easier for the village doesn't necessarily mean it's the better thing to do. Because if it were always easy, WW would get boring fast. One thing I love about WW are the twist and curves that get thrown at us. I like to be challenged.

[Lariren Shadow]

Well, there goes my trying for not a double lynch with a different vote. Mac now has 4.

So in the keeping of preventing a double lynch:

++Durelin

By the way, do we have double lynches?

[Macalaure]

I guess Legate was right about starting a bandwaggon. I don't see his vote suspicious at all, but the reasons of Menel (Mac doesn't have any suspects), Beregond (simply quoting what everybody has been calling suspicious all day), and Sally (he's off) are just bad.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, there goes my trying for not a double lynch with a different vote. Mac now has 4.

So in the keeping of preventing a double lynch:

++Durelin

By the way, do we have double lynches?



Nope, no doubles that I'm aware of.

Well, that vote came out of nowhere. *blinks*

[Rikae]

Brinn -
I don't think what I'm advocating is the easy way out for the village (nor did I say "Frodo has to reveal on Day 1" or anything like that, for the record). I do, however, think that the fun, and challenge, of the game depends on everyone throwing all their effort into playing the role they are given as well as they can. In dueling wizards ww, everyone is a potential "Frodo". If everyone used that as a reason to play only for themselves and not for the side they found themselves on at any given time, the game would break down entirely.

[Lariren Shadow]

Well, that vote came out of nowhere. *blinks*

See my above post.

[Rikae]

Well, there goes my trying for not a double lynch with a different vote. Mac now has 4.

So in the keeping of preventing a double lynch:

++Durelin

By the way, do we have double lynches?

She doesn't have any votes yet - eh?

Also, the one who reached the most votes first dies - no double lynches.

[Macalaure]

Well, there goes my trying for not a double lynch with a different vote. Mac now has 4.

So in the keeping of preventing a double lynch:

++Durelin

By the way, do we have double lynches?

Maybe I missed something, but what has a vote for Durelin (who had no vote before) to do with preventing a double lynch?

[Rikae]

Mac, whatever you are, I think you deserve another day at least.
Who are you voting for?

[Lariren Shadow]

Pretty much. To be honest it was me eeneeminymoing(wow I'm not even sure that's a real word) my suspicion list because I don't have that much to go on.

[Lariren Shadow]

Maybe I missed something, but what has a vote for Durelin (who had no vote before) to do with preventing a double lynch?

I was going to vote Lommy into the lead.

[satansaloser2005]

See my above post.


Very true. I must have skipped over that post for some reason. My apologies. :o



Okay, so for the record I'm okay with either a Mac lynch or a Brinn lynch, though I'd prefer Mac obviously. Lommie is the one I'd really like to see stay, as she seems pretty innocent to me. If Brinn's lynched I'm not going to complain, but since I'd like to keep her around for another Day so I can get a better feel for her I couldn't vote her in good conscience. *shrug* I dunno, it's ice cream time now. Back in a couple minutes. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Maybe I missed something, but what has a vote for Durelin (who had no vote before) to do with preventing a double lynch?

I was about to ask the same question actually. It seems like too much of a throwaway vote, or is it just me?


Okay, really ice cream time now, before it becomes soup time.

[Macalaure]

Greenie -> Gollum
Lommy -> Aganzir
Gollum -> Brinn
Aganzir -> Lari
Legate -> Mac
Shasta -> Lommy
Nog -> Gollum
Menel -> Mac
Rune -> Brinn
Fea -> Brinn
Mirandir -> Lommy
Beregond -> Mac
Durelin -> Lommy
Sally -> Mac
Lari -> Durelin

Mac 4, Brinn 3, Lommy 3, Gollum 2, Agan 1, Lari 1, and Durelin 1

Who are you voting for?

Pretty much everybody who would save me, I guess. I really don't like the current candidates, as I think that both Brinn and Lommy are innocent. I have a bad feeling about voting Gollum and voting Aganzir or Lari doesn't seem like a very good idea either. Durelin I don't know about, but I'd rather not.

[Macalaure]

Adding another candidate makes no sense, so I'd say

Lari
Gollum
Aganzir
Durelin
Brinn
Lommy

[Rikae]

Why the bad feeling about Gollum?

[Macalaure]

I have a gut feeling that he's suspicious and a gut feeling that he will probably turn out innocent, if that makes any sense.

[Macalaure]

I think Nerwen is still left to vote - who else?

[Rikae]

Oh well, to whatever end:

++Lommy

[Lariren Shadow]

I almost want to say Rikae.

Edit: x-posted with Rikae's vote.

[Brinniel]

We still have some 45 minutes, right? My head's obviously not clear anymore, so I need some time to think. I'm sorry again for blowing up, I guess getting used to my horrible class schedule has made me hypersensitive. I just felt rather offended for being initially suspected due to my absence and then being told I shouldn't have signed up at all if my RL is more important. That sort of comment just makes me want to drop out because of course RL is more important than WW. :rolleyes:

But I don't blame any of you for suspecting me for being overly-defensive; I was. I sometimes let my emotions get the better of me and I shouldn't have let them affect my gameplay, but I did.

So it seems the top candidates now are Mac, me, Gollum, and Lommy. Of those, I find Gollum the most suspicious with half of his posts being banter...but he only has two votes right now.

Who's left to vote? And most importantly, can double lynches occur?

[Rikae]

I think it was: no double lynches, first one to reach the maximum votes dies.

I'd actually prefer to see Gollum go than Lommy, I think. I could switch my vote, if you want to lynch him.

[Macalaure]

I would really like to avoid voting Lommy. :(

She and I have both 4 votes, Gollum has 2. Brinn, if you want to vote for him, and Rikae would consider retracting, I would vote for him, too (even though that would mean lynching him to save myself twice in a row).

[Brinniel]

I don't think what I'm advocating is the easy way out for the village (nor did I say "Frodo has to reveal on Day 1" or anything like that, for the record). I do, however, think that the fun, and challenge, of the game depends on everyone throwing all their effort into playing the role they are given as well as they can. In dueling wizards ww, everyone is a potential "Frodo". If everyone used that as a reason to play only for themselves and not for the side they found themselves on at any given time, the game would break down entirely.
I understand. I'm a team player and I always try to do what's best for my team. It's more fun to work together than alone. But I guess the struggle I'm having with Frodo is that while he's on our side now, if he gets turned he has to play for the other team and do his best to help them out. So I wonder, does Frodo prepare himself in case he gets turned so he doesn't become an easy target, or does he not worry about it until the scenario actually occurs. I would imagine that playing a loyal ordo, but being able to switch sides quickly without being spotted is the best way this role can be played. But I'm not very familiar with cursed roles, so maybe I'm completely off on this.

EDIT: Xed with Mac and Rikae

[Nerwen]

++Gollum.

Because I have no idea why Lommy has got so many votes, and Mac is seeming less suspicious than he did.

EDIT: X'd with Brinn.

[Brinniel]

Wait...we can retract? Boy, I really need to read the rules.. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I'd vote Gollum. Because Mac doesn't look particularly suspicious to me and I'm not comfortable with lynching Lommy either.

EDIT: X-ed with Nerwen

[Mirandir]

Wow because all this vote changing doesn't look suspicious AT ALL. Seriously, I left for what, 15 minutes and everyone loses their sense of logic.

[Macalaure]

So be it, then.

++Gollum

[Nerwen]

And I forgot to say that I didn't like the reasons people voted Brinn... only that last Frodo-post of hers doesn't look too good at all.

We have retractable votes, don't we?

EDIT: X'd with Brinn, Mirandir and Mac.

[satansaloser2005]

Wow because all this vote changing doesn't look suspicious AT ALL. Seriously, I left for what, 15 minutes and everyone loses their sense of logic.


Seconded.

[Brinniel]

++Gollum

Because half of his posts are banter. And when he finally gets down to business, he doesn't exactly provide much in substance. Can't say I like his vote either. He was around long enough to write 30 posts...and all he can come up with is a random vote for me?

[Brinniel]

And I forgot to say that I didn't like the reasons people voted Brinn... only that last Frodo-post of hers doesn't look too good at all.
Can someone explain to me why my Frodo-posts are suspicious? I'm just trying to psycho-analyse the role, that's all. But I've never taken psychology before, so maybe I should just stop. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Well, I, for one, have a pretty selfish reason for keeping Mac around. While he's werewolfing, I get to eat all the ice cream.
It took me forever to convince him to play another game with me, and I don't want him voted off so quick.

Besides, Gollum doesn't like rock music. That's reason enough to lynch him.

--Lommy

++Gollum

In case I don't live to see toMorrow, I'll leave you by saying I still find Nerwen and Beregond creepy.

[Brinniel]

Wow because all this vote changing doesn't look suspicious AT ALL. Seriously, I left for what, 15 minutes and everyone loses their sense of logic.
All bandwagons and vote changes look suspicious one form or another. But what was so logical about the voting 15 minutes ago?

[Nerwen]

Can someone explain to me why my Frodo-posts are suspicious? I'm just trying to psycho-analyse the role, that's all. But I've never taken psychology before, so maybe I should just stop. :rolleyes:

Because they look like you're trying to send coded messages and/or distract people, that's why.

EDIT:x'd with Rikae and Brinn.

[Brinniel]

Well, I, for one, have a pretty selfish reason for keeping Mac around. While he's werewolfing, I get to eat all the ice cream.
Hah, that's a good enough reason for me. :p

Off to take my bath...

[Kitanna]

Ding ding! Day 1 has ended. Expect Gollum's death soon.

[Mirandir]

All bandwagons and vote changes look suspicious one form or another. But what was so logical about the voting 15 minutes ago?

There was at least some justification for the votes. Then everyone suddenly started changing their minds and switching votes and it all looked very bandwagonish in my opinion.

[Kitanna]

“Kill Mac!” Legate cried, waving one of his herring in the air.

“No get Lommy! Wait, no kill Gollum!” Rikae cried out. “I get more ice cream if Mac lives.”

“Brinn's a monster and very cranky. Send her to the gallows.” Gollum yelled.

The villagers were really at each other's throats. Since they discovered wraiths among them the gloves had come off and no one was playing nice anymore. Though no one had ever expected to turn on their neighbors, but now it was time. Someone had to die.

“Gollum, he's all talk, like he's trying to hide something.” Brinn said.

“He's an easy target.” Rune rolled his eyes.

“No, it must be Gollum!” Mac cried out.

The villagers picked up their pitchforks. Gollum backed away from the crowd. “You've all gone mad! I'm innocent!” But the mob had spoken.

The traveling weapons salesman had backed himself up against Mirandir hog pen. The villagers advanced, some wielded hammers, others pitchforks, but all were armed with rocks. No one was sure who threw the first stone, but it hit the accused between the eyes. He stumbled backwards into the hog pen.

In the excitement of the day no one had bothered to feed the poor beasts. Now it seemed as though dinner had come to them and it was still warm. In their hungry frenzy the hogs rushed for Gollum. The stone to the head had disoriented him for a second, but he didn't regain composure fast enough to move. He lay flat on his back, hogs swarming around him.

The hungry animals tore into their meal. Gollum screamed in terror and pain, still trying to get to his feet, but the hogs were overpowering him. There was no way their dinner was getting away. The villagers gathered round to see what was happening.

One of the runts of the herd had been bullied out of his spot. He hovered close to the pen's fence, a piece of Gollum's eye stick on the end of his snout. Some hogs even had bits of the victim stuck to their backs. Blood and organs were spread all across the pen. When the animals finished eating all that remained was a few scraps of flesh stuck to the bones. One eye remained in Gollum's head, it was wide in horror.

Yet nothing happened. He had been innocent.

Living
satansaloser2005
Feanor of the Peredhil
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Shastanis Althreduin
Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Gollum the Great
Nogrod
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
Durelin
A Little Green
Brinniel

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)

Wraiths PM your kill, Ferny your suggestion, Butterbur your dream, Strider your protectee, and Frodo sit tight.

Night 2 has begun, villagers be quiet.

[Kitanna]

Shasta went home that night feeling distraught. The day hadn't exactly gone as planned. One innocent was dead and three wraiths were still at large. Shasta decided to consult his astrology texts and maps to calm his nerves. However, upon entering his house he realized something was off.

Grabbing a broom, Shasta went to investigate the whole house. “Hello? Has someone come in?” As a con artist Shasta expected to make a certain amount of enemies in life, but even he thought his home would be safe.

From an upstairs bedroom something stirred. Broom in hand, Shasta climbed the stairs. He kicked the bedroom door open and jumped in ready to assail the enemy. Nothing. The house was old, perhaps the floor was creaking on its own. “Yes, surely that's it.” He said aloud, answering his thought. But he knew that wasn't it at all. There was a presence in the room, one he knew he was to be afraid of.

Out of the shadows a figure moved. Shasta turned ready to fight. Another crawled from under the bed. A third appeared from the closet. They said nothing, but they shrieked. It was blood curdling and terrifying and Shasta didn't even have time to add his own screams.

~*~*~

The next morning the villages assembled, minus one. Upon learning that Shasta was gone a search party went to check out his house. They found Shasta in a bedroom on the second floor of his house. It looked as though he had been practicing sword eating.

An impressive broad sword had been forced down his throat, nailing him to a rocking chair that sat in the corner. Blood stained the floors and trails of dried blood ran down the corners of his mouth. Shasta had done nothing to offend anyone and yet he had still died. Bet the stars didn't see that one coming.

Living
satansaloser2005
Feanor of the Peredhil
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Rikae
Aganzir
Nogrod
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil
Durelin
A Little Green
Brinniel

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)

[satansaloser2005]

I like how Gollum is both dead and alive. Decide that Mith's idea for phantom last game was too good to not use? ;)

Kidding, kidding. Anyway, I have a vote tally. Give me a minute.

[satansaloser2005]

Greenie-->Gollum at 3:45pm
Lommie-->Agan at 4:41pm
Gollum-->Brinn at 5:10pm
Agan-->Lari at 5:26pm
Legate-->Mac at 6:10pm
Shasta-->Lommie at 6:15pm
Noggie-->Gollum at 8:22pm
Menel-->Mac at 9:42pm
Rune-->Brinn at 10:09pm
Fea-->Brinn at 10:14pm
Mira-->Lommie at 10:40pm
Berry-->Mac at 10:52pm
Durie-->Lommie at 10:53pm
Sally-->Mac at 11:04pm
Lari-->Durie at 11:09pm
Rikae-->Lommie at 11:27pm
Nerwen-->Gollum at 11:40pm
Mac-->Gollum at 11:44pm
Brinn-->Gollum at 11:51pm
Rikae-->Gollum at 11:58pm
retraction of Rikae-->Lommie at 11:27pm


As usual, all times are GMT-6 (a deadline of 12am). Innocents are italicized, known baddies are underlined.

[Mirandir]

Poor Gollum...Being eaten alive by hogs can't be a pleasant way to go.

Not that having a sword shoved down your throat is much better.

[Nerwen]

I like how Gollum is both dead and alive.

He is? What do you mean?

[Nerwen]

Now, why Shasta? Did he do anything but IC-posting?

[Brinniel]

Now, why Shasta? Did he do anything but IC-posting?
My guess is that's exactly why he was killed. He left almost no trails, which makes for an easy wolf kill.

[A Little Green]

Hmmm - it took me almost two hours to read the rest of Day 1. It seems to have turned out an interesting Day after all, I just slept through all the fun. Just my luck. I have some comments to what was said yesterDay.

A couple of things disturb me about Nog. Not some overall feeling or anything, but some thigns he has said. He makes a big accusing-toned issue about votes being given on feeble grounds in this post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=582472&postcount=150). Yes, the votes at that time were feeble-grounded. What he failed to add, however, was the fact that most of those votes he criticises were given early, before anything dramatic actually happened. I don't like the way he just ignores the context of those votes - because taken out of context they do look exceedingly bad but if taken into consideration the material there was to build upon at that point it should not be surprising that votes are made on feeble grounds.

What is even more weird, however, is how he first criticises me for voting Gollum because it's too easy and then does the exact same thing himself. I don't like it.

List coming up. Is there anyone else around or am I talking to myself again? Nerwen, my love, are you there? (I checked the time and realised it's the traditional "me and Nerwen around" time of Day again!)

[Aganzir]

Nog I'm watching you! :p

It also occurred to me that Shasta's reference to Barliman being under the protection of Water could have been a seer hint, especially as he later claimed being an Aquarius and infused with watery influence. However, he didn't leave behind anything that could be considered a hint to a person he had dreamed of - he barely even mentioned other players, apart from saying Gollum was an ordo who would be on the wrong track for the most of the game, and voting Lommy for voting me.
He didn't look very Frodo-ish either.

Didn't she say she had class or something earlier and wouldn't be able to be in the village?
Yeah I guess she did.

you seemed to suggest, or at least not dismiss completely the idea that the RB should stay put. (And, speaking of that, only very later you reevaluated. Perhaps under the general pressure, but before that, you wanted to try anyway?)
Try what? How did I seem to suggest xe should stay put & and then change my mind? I don't think I ever reached any conclusion when talking about the RB. Hmm oh yes I actually did. But I simply don't get what you're aiming at.

Interestingly enough Mira has come to argue for her I think twice already...
I think Mira has also been arguing for Fea so I might just put it down on being a newbie & living in the same apartment with them. I'd still like to hear more about her opinions on other players.

There were other terrible reasons but saying you make it random is the worst way of trying to ensure you don't have to stand for your vote later.
You're making day 1 random votes a too big issue. If I had voted, say, Gollum or sally, saying I want to lynch a quiet/insubstantial/whatever person in lack of anything better, it would have been okay for you, then? You are fine with killing quiet people because they don't help the village but those lynches are quite as random. Why are you fine with Fea's plans to vote randomly because she finds day ones to be of little worth?

I was really tired after a week of little sleep and seriously considered abstaining from voting but decided against it, just because I'm against it in principle. And to be honest I couldn't care less who was lynched as I didn't have any serious suspects myself.

As for Gollum, I think his posts are always rather bantering, and as there's therefore nothing extraordinary, I don't find it a valid reason to suspect him. It's a valid reason to vote (randomly) for him on day 1, but all the suspicion against him looks rather exaggerated.

I'm quite uncomfortable with the way Nog sticks to random votes being a suspicious thing. Yeah they are maybe not helpful but still.

Lommy didn't say that (at least, not anywhere I can see).
No I simply meant she pointed out the quote. I agreed with ”Something in this phrasing troubles me a little,” and the rest of it was my own thoughts. I didn't intend it to look like I was stealing her words, or putting words into her mouth.

Ferny is not a threat at all. Ferny doesn't know the roles of who xe passes on. For all intents and purposes Ferny is just an annoying player.
You're underestimating xem. Xe is a threat once the wraiths and xe know one another's identity. After that xe's practically a seemingly innocent player (as the seer can't find out xyr exact role) who helps them.

While there are reasons to find Aganzir suspicious, starting with her random vote
What reasons?
What's suspicious about random voting?

Rune, I would like to apologise for signing up although I can't be around till deadline.
The quarrel between Rune and Brinn is ridiculous and, despite overreacting, it's not Brinn's fault.

It's as if she's intentionally trying to take focus off lynching the wraiths.
Erm I started talking about the RB when only a few people had made proper posts. I could accuse you the same way of trying to take focus off lynching the wraiths by bantering at the beginning of the day instead of trying to get things actually rolling.

I don't like the way Gollum was lynched although I admit I see him go rather than the others who had several votes.

[Nerwen]

#9.
IC banter about his ability to read "anything in the stars you desire".

#10.
ditto– asks everyone to state their birth signs.

#13. IC banter with Sally.

#15.(referring to Gollum)
Clearly here we have a prime example of a closed-minded, unthinking individual who refuses to believe in anything he can't hear, touch, see, smell, or taste. The stars say he's an ordo, but will be on the wrong track most of the game and be lynched Day 5 for his sheer inability to admit he's wrong.

#18. (referring to Durelin)
Shades can hide
Shadows conceal
Fires haze
Waters dilute
Airs diffuse
Earths shield
and powers collide.

In other words, people who wear mysterious cloaks typically have something to hide. Get her! :D

#15. Banter with Gollum.

#142.
In response:

Yes, Rikae, I am an Aquarius. The angle of Uranus to Jupiter and the Moon tells us, though, that I'm infused with watery influence, making me an exception to the previous statement.

++Lommy

Yes, I know you're famed for flip-flopping, Lommy dear, but that business of "No, I don't think Aganzir is a wraith, but I'm going to vote her anyway!" is just too much. :rolleyes:

So– Shasta talks a lot about his ability to "read the stars". He states that Gollum is innocent (true), that Durelin "has something to hide" and votes Lommy.

Now, is it at all possible our villains thought he was the Seer? It doesn't make sense for a seer to be that definite about three separate people on Day One– but wolves have been known to panic.

Thoughts?

EDIT: X'd with Lily and Aganzir.

[Aganzir]

Oh yes I forgot to mention the read in the stars stuff.
I'm not sure how likely it is that they thought he was the seer. He looks more like a no trace kill. Or then the wolves thought they had nothing to lose as he could have been the seer & he had been quiet.

Greenie you voted for Gollum before his random vote for Brinn, which apparently made Nog very suspicious of him. And as we can see his random vote was so guilty. :rolleyes:

[A Little Green]

The list (in no particular order)
Sally - I have no read on her. Something about her made me a little (green) uneasy yesterDay but when I tried to look it up I didn't find it. Frustrating. At least it probably wasn't anything big since I can't find it.
Fea - I'm not alarmed by her yet. (Even though one should always be alarmed by Fea.)
Lari - Securely under my reindeer.
Mira - Likewise.
Lommins - Rings no alarm bells. (I'm just listening to The Anthem by Leonard Cohen and he started singing "Ring the bells that still can ring" just as I wrote that... Thanks Leo.)
Leggings - No bells ring.
Rikae - No bells.
Agan - Gah, I'm clueless. Not leaning to either direction.
Noggy - Hear Jerusalem bells a-ringing! (No good having Coldplay in your head either, apparently.) Yeah, but his vote did make me uneasy. (See above.) The problem is, my gut-feeling says he's innocent but my wit contradicts that... Granted, Nog is smooth as a wolf and I usually don't get a wolf vibe of him even if he's guilty. The bells keep ringing.
Gondie - Seems innocentish this far.
Nerwen - Nothing alarming. No bells.
Runne - Seems innocentish (and has given me quite a many good laughs).
Mac - I don't know.
Menel - No idea.
Dury - Likewise.
Brinn - Seems innocentish to me. (But then, I can never bring myself to suspect her regardless of her role, so that's nothing new.) Well but honestly, I have seen nothing from her that would indicate to her being a wolf. Her reactions to what is being said seem innocent.

Ah, I got the thing about Gollum being both dead and alive. Perhaps miss moddess might edit that?


EDIT: x-ed with Agan, Nerwen and Agan again (My sense of humour is on a holiday today. Pathetic.) Yeah, but nice to see people around! *Waves*

[Nerwen]

Ah, I got the thing about Gollum being both dead and alive. Perhaps miss moddess might edit that?

Now I get it too. Tell you what, if we get stuck toDay, let's lynch Gollum again so he's really dead. It's bad enough have three wraiths haunting our once-peaceful village, without a half-eaten zombie-Gollum as well!:eek:

[Aganzir]

Noggy --- The problem is, my gut-feeling says he's innocent but my wit contradicts that...
I have exactly the same problem with him.

I'm planning to make a list now, too. Not sure how much time I have now, though, since there's this short RPG we've been planning to complete today, and I might have to leave in an hour (depending on how long it takes one of the players to get up).

[Thinlómien]

Not sure how much time I have now, though, since there's this short RPG we've been planning to complete today, and I might have to leave in an hour (depending on how long it takes one of the players to get up).Your player has woken up but she refuses to leave home before she's played some ww.

I'm not surprised to see Gollum lynched, nor that he was innocent. But given how close it was that you lynched me (it was rather weird to read it afterwards, thinking that I was sleeping peacefully while you were plotting to kill me... so nasty of you :p) I'm not complaining...

And as for Shasta, I really think they thought him to be the seer. All that astrology-banter and so on, and besides it looks quite clear who he "dreamt" of:
The stars say he's an ordo

That's pretty straightforward, and that makes me wonder about Gollum's lynch. I would not be surprised if there was a wolf or a Ferny there voting him, seeing him as Shasta-seer's known innocent...

Okay, now I will return to Day1 and reply to all the quotes I find answering-worhty, and I can look at the Gollum-voters at the same time...