T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Lariren Shadow]

Votes are:
Greenie -> Lari
Menel -> Stick
Rune -> Greenie
Legate -> Lari
Nerwen -> Greenie
Menel -- Stick -> Greenie
Agan -> Greenie
Mac -> Lari
Lari -> Greenie

Greenie 5, Lari 3

Left to vote:
Stick
Beregond

[Mirandir]

All right Lari, enough with the Stick thing. I know you love it but it's just not gonna work outside of the library. :p

I'm tired and still have a bunch of work do to before we close in 18 minutes, and don't really have time to justify my vote well, but here it is anyway.

++Lari

Of all the people left, she seems the most suspicious and wraith-like.

Epic fail on my part, I know.

[Beregond]

Well, I'm going to go against my initial instinct on this one and vote

++Greenie

My instincts have been been wrong so far, so I'm making a rash decision instead. But not random. The arguments for Greenie being Frodo hold weight, and Lari's been less suspicious the last day. I hope my choice tonight is correct for once.

[Kitanna]

Time. Greenie's death to follow in moments.

[Kitanna]

Outside the rains came pouring down on Bree. The villagers decided to hold their meeting indoors. After previous day's shouting the village seemed rather quiet. But in spite of the silence a consensus was reached. Greenie would have to go. Lari was a close second, but by day's end the ex-bear tamer was to be the one to go.

Afraid of death, especially at the hands of this village Greenie decided to make a run for it. She broke free from the crowd and ran for the inn's door. What a shame for Greenie someone had carelessly discarded their banana peel after lunch.

She tripped and slide. Desperately Greenie tried to catch her balance, but she was unable. Greenie slipped and fell, hitting her head on the bar as she went down. Her skull cracked and blood seeped onto the floor. Someone might have been able to save her, but since it was commonly believed she was a wraith no one bothered.

That was too bad. Greenie was as innocent as they come. Her death was in vain. For playing a part in an innocent's death the banana peel was tried and sentenced to death by being put on the rack.

Living
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Legate of Amon Lanc
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)

[Kitanna]

The village was one less the next morning. Legate, the friendly town herring dealer was missing. Hoping that maybe he had overslept the village went to investigate.

Legate's home was a mess. Something large and hairy had been let in. Much to the horror of the village they found Greenie's bear, from her former bear taming career leashed in Legate's living room.

At one point in time Greenie and her bear, Fernado, had traveled across Middle-Earth, delighting spectators and performing daring acts. Now Fernado had Greenie's bloody shirt and a banana peel tied around his neck along with the leash. It seemed the wraiths had played on the bear's loyalty to Greenie and sent it after Legate to do their dirty work.

Fernado sat on the floor, picking at what was left of Legate. The wraiths had claimed another innocent villager.

Living
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure
Meneltarmacil

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc – Eaten by a bear Night 7 (innocent)

[Nerwen]

Hey, where is everyone?

[Macalaure]

All Western or Central North Americans are dead, and all other godfearing people sleep after the deadline. ;) Where are the Europeans by now, though? Who told them that school/work was more important than WW? Tsk...

Alright now... why am I still alive? I expected to either see myself dead toDay or maybe saved by the ranger. This is either a setup to have the village waste a lynch on me, or the wraiths really, really thought Legate was the ranger. Or Legate was really, really dangerous to them and his death was worth to keep a quasi-known innocent alive for some more.

Can't go any deeper now, but I'll be around later.

[Nerwen]

Firstly, let me again apologise for not being around much last two days; we had lots of fires and blackouts and stuff around here and I couldn't get online much at all. I will try to make up for it toDay.

Alright now... why am I still alive? I expected to either see myself dead toDay or maybe saved by the ranger. This is either a setup to have the village waste a lynch on me, or the wraiths really, really thought Legate was the ranger. Or Legate was really, really dangerous to them and his death was worth to keep a quasi-known innocent alive for some more.

*cough* Or the wraiths think you're the cobbler *cough*

But still, why Legate? After yesterDay I'd have thought they'd leave him alive and try to frame him.

[Meneltarmacil]

Is it possible that Mac really could be the cobbler? I recall him making a statement on Day 1 about how bold someone would have to be to put xyr own name forward as the cobbler, so maybe...

[Meneltarmacil]

...though, at the same time, I wouldn't vote for Mac today even if he were the cobbler, as we've got bigger problems to take care of.

[Aganzir]

This European was first sitting in a math exam, then she had to see a friend to try on the uniform she's making for her. But now she's here, and absolutely baffled.

I have lost both my main suspects within a day and both turned out to be innocent. However I'm actually relieved that they are gone now in the sense that I can concentrate on other people and stop obsessing about them.

Why on earth did Legate die? It's true some people considered him innocent but I would have expected them to leave him alive as at least I would have tried hard to get him lynched anyway, and I wasn't even the only one who suspected him. It just doesn't make sense. He believed either Mira or Lari was a wolf but many others suspected them as well. Unless they both are wolves, in which case Legate's death would be understandable...

If Mac is the cobbler, why did the wolves kill Legate? He was not overtly worried about him and preferred concentrating on wolves. Were they so afraid of him?

Also, after Brinn and sally's death, the wolves have killed Rikae and Legate. I wonder if this could point at inexperienced wolves... Although I'm still not sure how likely it is that one wolf & Frodo were newbies.

And as for Mira & Lari, Mira voted for her yesterday. It didn't matter, though, as Green would have died anyway unless someone had retracted, which was unlikely. Gah I'm done with analysing people based on a presumed connection, the Legate/Greenie thing was such a major fail. I won't start it again.

**

Frodo might want to be turned, which of course could be interpreted as a suggestion.
Yes. Or an innocent's attempt to make the wolves believe it was a suggestion so Frodo would get one night more on the village's side. Or an opinion on what I thought the role to be like & assumed Frodo would want to do. Or whatever. You seem to be just trying to make it sound bad.

how one can be so tired to not remember who one found suspicious before and who not.
I know I've explained this before. You were my only suspect I could have considered voting for and the only reason I didn't do it was that I thought it would have been unfair. I simply had no other suspects.

This comment is not only self-contradicting (I don't know why she bothers me - her vote is suspicious), but also very, very fishy.
Nope it isn't. I was going through the posts and noting down things in the order I read them. My Mira suspicions originated already before I saw her vote.

She later decides to defend Rune (she will keep on finding Rune innocent).
By saying he might have wanted to save Fea because he enjoys playing with her? If Fea had been a baddie, my attitude towards him would probably have been completely different.

the next day she'll re-analyse and change her mind
I made my original analysis based on the thought of Fea being a baddie, and had that been the case, Mira's defending attempts wouldn't have looked very good. I think I'll have to reevaluate her once again now, though.

It's not that she wonders who of the two lies, it's again the carefulness behind it that makes me suspicious. Later, however, she supports Lommy.
And earlier. You notice that was not my first comment regarding the seer. And I was not careful, I was amused!

I don't know how Aganzir ended up with Frodo here.
Because I found her suspicious but less so on the earlier days. Mostly because of the questions about the roles, though, which could also be an attempt to play the newbie card again... It makes more sense once the known wolves' opinions are included, but it is a thing to consider even without them.

her behaviour towards Rune and Lari especially is very careful (she reached different conclusions for the two later and also keeps changing her mind / forgetting about Miri
What's wrong with being indecisive?

Unfortunately, that's all.
Aww poor you. Just face it: you're not going to get me killed. :p

[Lariren Shadow]

I honestly have no idea what to think of Legate's death.

And the wolves, I don't think, would have wanted him dead if he suspected them. It would be too easy to trace to them. I think I may look as to who he thought, buy the end of the day, were more innocent than not.

Of course this will be after all my classes today and writing an article about my friend's upcoming concert.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I seem to have really messed things up, I got over eager yesterday and now I am really paying for it.

Originally I thought Green and Legate to be innocent along with Aganzir, all of them seemed to speak sense. In the end I started developing theories about them being wraiths. . . mainly that Green and Legate was working together, but I needed to see another kill and their reactions before I was to make up my mind. I got over eager and voted for Green instead of waiting as I first had wanted to. I guess it was a more exiting target than Menel, too often have I been part of lynching players like Menel and only very few times have they been anything else than ordos.

Now both Green and Legate are gone, I hope some people are ready to step up and take their places as vokal players.

I will go back and look at the votes of last night, maybe I will find something.
It is quite interesting that we seem to focus on a few lynch candidates every night, maybe we need to broaden our search.

If I cross post with a lot of people it is because I have been doing some cooking while writting.

[Macalaure]

Agan, relax! I concluded my short analysis with you being likely innocent. No need to tear apart every little argument against you! ;)

And the wolves, I don't think, would have wanted him dead if he suspected them.

Too convenient that you are one of those he did suspect. ;)

[Aganzir]

Agan, relax! I concluded my short analysis with you being likely innocent. No need to tear apart every little argument against you! ;)
I know! Halfway through I stopped and thought, Why am I doing this? I could be hunting for the wolves and I'm just replying to some petty comments instead!

I figured that was because I found your points bad, although the conclusion you reached was correct.
And okay it's also fun, although I suppose I'll get tired of arguing with you some day. :p I was especially amused by the "Unfortunately, that's all" comment.

I'm trying to go through everyone's (or at least those I suspect) posts and make a short summary but it's boring.

[Macalaure]

I was especially amused by the "Unfortunately, that's all" comment.

I really did want you to be evil and was kind of disappointed by my meager findings. I still hope I'm wrong. :p

[Aganzir]

Guilty

Lari
Menel, what do you mean when you say you understand Lari's Sagittarius comment? Lari suggested lynching Frodo if xe revealed. Wolfish idea. Thought Ferny is not a threat. Some odd questions about the roles, they make her seem more innocent. Of course it's possible she's playing the newbie card again, though, which she did succesfully in last game. Voted Lommy on day 1 echoing others' reasons without even mentioning them in her post, didn't elaborate much. Kept going after Dury for meta-reasons. Could have helped prevent the possible lynching of Mac or Brinn on day 1, but introduced a new candidate. What was suspicious about Nerwen's vote on day 1?
Reasons to vote Dury on day 2 bad. Jumpy about being suspected.
When Lommy & Brinn came out as seers, she said they both have a known dead innocent on their lists (Lommy had Mac, Brinn Rune). How could she know if they are innocent or not? Looks like a possible wolf slip. Later she said she knows Rune is not dead & it was not a slip. But back then she didn't know which seer to believe.
Brinn had both Lari and sally listed as guilty at some point, before Frodo was turned. Lari has come across more suspicious after the incident. Her response to my analysis was somewhat elusive - half-joking retaliatory accusations.
She brings up points against the wraiths being inexperienced.
I don't really know what that means, maybe that he's more innocent than not because he thinks that Brinn is on "our side".
Huh? In a way I understand what Lari means, but this comment looks darn fishy. It reminds me of the way Lariwolf tried to contact Borocobbler in last game. Later she says Menel seems the most innocent to her. After some flip-flopping on Mac she says he's a known innocent and she doesn't vote for him.
Suggests there are high chances that the wolves were considered more innocent than not on Rikae's chart. She was in the second-most innocent category hereself. Her going on about Rune & what Rikae's death might mean for him is weird. Reasons for suspecting him are eg. his fight with Brinn, sally making a song about him... Today she suggests Legate didn't suspect the wolves as they wouldn't have wanted to kill him otherwise. Hardly surprising, given that she was one of his main suspects.
Currently Lari looks the most suspicious to me.

Mira
When responding to other things I brought up in my analysis, you forgot this. I ask again because I'm curious.
Or he could have made that "slip" unintentionally and is trying to lure you off the pace of the real wraiths. Just an idea.
Sorry I'm slow but what did you mean with this?
Reacts newbie-wolfishly to accusations at times. Voted for Lommy, who she hasn't mentioned earlier, for flip-flopping on day 1. If she had voted for Mac (who had more votes), she would have helped prevent Brinn's possible lynching. Found Dury suspicious all of a sudden on day 2 after other people had started suspecting her.
I still don't understand how Mac can see her "Nope :D" comment as a slip.
Rikae had her listed as red, saying there isn't much against her being a wraith, and she died the following night. I'm not sure a wolf would want to bring attention upon herself like that, but then again she hasn't received very much suspicion afterwards.
Yesterday she voted for Lari. I thought about them being possible fellows after Legate's death, but in the end I don't think there would be two new wolves, or that they'd kill people who lead so clearly back to them.
There are some suspicious things, but on the other hand I really doubt she would have voted Lommy on day 1 if her fellow was in danger of lynching. Except I think Mac mentioned something about her defending him after his cobbler slip... So I suppose it's possible she's a wolf and didn't want to vote for her presumed cobbler, either.
Gah I have no idea what to think. She isn't my primary concern, but I'm also afraid of letting her go by unnoticed and win like Lari did in last game.

Menel
Flip-flops on Mac. He seemed to trust Brinn pretty much, and in the battle of the seers he was first on Brinn's side. I doubt a wolf would do that so openly - it'd be a pretty bold move. "On our side" phrasing bothers me. In his next post he considered it certainly possible that she was a wraith, after all. What happened in the meanwhile?
Yesterday he voted Mira because he trusted Legate who had narrowed the field down to her, me, and Menel himself (which Menel didn't mention, though). He defends Lari, saying she doesn't look suspicious at all, and even though there are these minor things, she probably had reasons for them, and she's still rather new and such. Those twain's interaction looks somewhat fishy. If one is a baddie, I wouldn't be surprised if the other was as well.
However, Menel's thoughts on Greenie look honest to me. But I suspected her myself as well so I don't think I can be perfectly objective about it. He retracted and voted Greenie.
Today he suggested Mac could be the cobbler. He voted for Mac consistently for I don't remember how long and was clearly suspicious of him, so it comes as a bit of a surprise if he hasn't thought about it earlier. He adds, though, that he wouldn't vote for him today even if he is the cobbler, as "we've got bigger problems to take care of." Well, if we don't lynch either a wolf or the cobbler today, chances are fair tomorrow is our last day... Rikae had him listed as Yellow along with Rune, saying Mac's guilt would look good on him. Not sure if that applies to him anymore, though.
Actually Menel strikes me as a bit cobblerish, too. I have hard time trying to imagine a wolf defending a fellow-pretending-to-be-the-seer so straightforward. I find him less wolfish than Lari but more than Mira.

Mac
I still think he's the cobbler and if we can't come up with anyone else, he should be lynched.

Innocent

Nerwen. Interaction with Brinn & sally doesn't look wolfish. She was among the first to point out suspicious behaviour in them. Also, the nightly kills don't look like she could be behind them. I think she'd be too bold a wolf to kill off the loudest & dangerous players when there are plenty of quieter & more inexperienced around.

Rune. His fight with Brinn & interaction with sally make him look good. The biggest contributor, though, is his overall behaviour, which isn't very wolfish. Especially his last post had a pretty innocent air. It just doesn't look like something a wolf would think.

Berry. The one I'm the least certain about (good job - finding only two innocents in a village of eight :rolleyes:). He has been looking quite innocent, but he's also been flying under my radar. It's late and I have an exam tomorrow so I'm not going to go through his posts properly now. I could do it toMorrow if I'm still alive though.


**

Reading through the thread made me miss sally. Be Prepared still cracked me up. And Rikae is making me laugh, too. Such a pity she died.

I also miss the Saucepan Man, although this is completely irrelevant to the game.

I'm going to vote soon and go to sleep. However, since I need to be at school shortly after deadline, anyway, I could wake up a bit earlier and sacrifice some time for werewolfing in the morning.

[Aganzir]

I really did want you to be evil and was kind of disappointed by my meager findings. I still hope I'm wrong. :p
Aww and I hope you're evil too. Otherwise I'm making a total fool of myself yet again. :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The more I think about it, the more I get convinced that Legate was killed because he was a considered dangourus. He might have spottet a pattern in the behaviour of a wraith, I don't know if he reached the right conclusion though.

The fact that Mac is left alive makes me think that the Wraiths like to confuse the village, if they do not have a certain pattern of voting, it will make them more difficult to find. Legate does not seem like a kill designed to confuse, rather it seems like it is designed to criple us or to remove a threat.

I am mostly thinking about the likes of Lari and Mira, but this is just hunches. . . .

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rikae had her listed as red, saying there isn't much against her being a wraith, and she died the following night. I'm not sure a wolf would want to bring attention upon herself like that, but then again she hasn't received very much suspicion afterwards.

Excactly!

It could be that the solution to the latest kills is a very simple one, fear. I know that normally wraiths shy away from killing the people that are openly hostile towards them, but we must be carefull that we do not take these things for granted. It could be that a wraith chose to play in this very direct manner and hoped that the villagers of Bree would think that they had been the victims of a setup.

Anyways Mira figures on both Rikae and Legate's lists of suspects.

Would the other wraith accept this direct aproach. . .it is difficult to answer.

[Lariren Shadow]

My comment about Sagittarius is this: the characteristics(when Shasta was still doing them):
* Freedom loving / free-spirited
* Idealistic / believing
* Moral, often having a religious streak. Righteous.
* Intelligent / intellectual
* Positive / optimistic
* Confident and Impulsive
* Energetic / active
* Adventurous / risk-taking
* Independent / unfettered
* Impatient / restless
* Love of travel

And the symbol is the archer. I'm the Ranger. For truth not lie, I'm the Ranger.

Night protections:
1: Brinn(way to go on my part)
2: Mac
3: No one, I messed up and had a busy day and thought I protected Lommy, but apparently it never actually got done.
4: Mac
5: Agan

I also spelled out Strider in one of my posts explaining my Durelin vote. Also when I was talking about newbies on the first Day I distinctly used the word "protection".

And Agan, I didn't vote Lommy the first day, I voted Durelin.

Off to Bio now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

No explanation to why you tell us this now?

Just to give us another "known" innocent?

[Nerwen]

Lari's the Ranger?!:confused:

How annoying– I was just in the middle of making a lovely case on why she's a wraith.:rolleyes:

Why did you reveal now, Lari?

EDIT: X'd with Rune.

[Nerwen]

On second thoughts–

Of course, anyone can leave coded messages, and if Lari's a wraith she's had at least two old hands to give her tips.

Ummm... what do we do?

EDIT: spelling.

[Aganzir]

Ouch sorry Lari. :( I was just about to vote for you & go to bed, and now I'm blaming myself for having the ranger reveal. Way to go me, too, randomly voting for you on day 1. :rolleyes:

And sorry I confused your Lommy suspicion with your vote.

The fact that Mac is left alive makes me think that the Wraiths like to confuse the village, if they do not have a certain pattern of voting, it will make them more difficult to find. Legate does not seem like a kill designed to confuse, rather it seems like it is designed to criple us or to remove a threat.
It certainly seems so. I think Mac is the cobbler but it's anyway confusing... Something should be done about him before it's too late.
What do you mean with a certain pattern of voting?

Would the other wraith accept this direct aproach. . .it is difficult to answer.
If it makes one look good after the other is lynched, then probably yes.

I wouldn't be too worried, Nerwen. If she's not the ranger, the real ranger should have no reason to stay hidden this late in the game.

Anyway I don't think I can vote yet... I simply need to gather my thoughts again. I'll be back before the deadline, now I need some sleep.

[Meneltarmacil]

Lynching a wraith-to-be if xe were revealed is a bad idea, Agan? It may be a bit harsh, but that would at least keep the number of wraiths from increasing.

And now for a short analysis:

Aganzir: Nothing particularly bad here, voted for Lari, Mac, Fea, Brinn, and A Little Green. Though I do find it suspicious that she never seems to let Lari off the hook and the strange need to refute everything Mac says seems unusual as well.

Beregond: Has slipped under my radar for a while. Voted for Mac a lot, and contributed to Brinn's lynching. Also voted Greenie and Fea, both of whom would seem logical choices at the time. Doesn't appear to be particularly evil at this point.

Rune: Votes for a lot of known innocents, and voted Durelin on Day 1 when she wasn't a popular choice. Possible wraith.

[Beregond]

I imagine Lari foresaw her lynching tonight, having come a close second last night, and having been Legate's vote last night as well. Lari was definitely my number one suspect for today, following yesterday's terrible choice. Whether or not she is the ranger in truth, this may have been her only way out. But if she were a villager would it be good for the team to reveal at this point?

If she's not who she claims, and we let her live, she will last the night for sure.

If we let her live, and she IS the ranger, the wraiths will either find her in the night, or leave her be and hope we waste a lynch tomorrow. But if they leave her be they risk wasting a kill (the list of innocents is getting smaller).

Leaving a trail early on is good, but it's not proof. However, I think it might have bought Lari another day, or at least a night. It would be very ingenious if this were designed, but I don't think I can vote for her now.

[Meneltarmacil]

Ah, I see that Lari has confirmed what I suspected about her from yesterDay.

I noticed the Saggitarius ==> Archer ==> Rangers are known for their skill with bows thing when I was analyzing her posts, and as I read more, I found that she constantly suspected Durelin for reasons relating to her Rangerish role. I take it, of course, that these suspicions were actually because you thought she was posing as the Ranger to avoid a lynch, Lari?

Anyhow, the reason I didn't outright state what the Saggitarius reference meant was due to the need to protect a Gifted from wraith-killings.

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, to clarify the thing about Rune, he's used the "split the vote but make the choice appear legit" tactic as a baddie before.

++Rune Son of Bjarne

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune: Votes for a lot of known innocents, and voted Durelin on Day 1 when she wasn't a popular choice. Possible wraith.

You got me there Menel! I thought I could fool you, but you found me out. . . I made you think that I only voted for Wraiths, but infact I have tricked you all and in secret voted for innocents.


Anyways, I guess Beregond is right in his guesses about Lari's relevation.


Answer to Aganzir: I just ment it is easier when you can find a pattern in the voting. . .if it appears random you can use it to very little.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Mirandir

I probably won't be back before deadline, so I will do like Salvador Allende. . . say "¡Viva Chile! ¡Viva el pueblo! ¡Vivan los trabajadores!" and take my leave.

[Macalaure]

If she's not the ranger, the real ranger should have no reason to stay hidden this late in the game.
What? If she's not the real ranger and the real ranger reveals himself, he'll be dead. If he stays hidden he can still make a save and buy us an additional Day! Then we would lynch Lari and probably find her to be the cobbler and nothing is won.

Having said that, I don't see any reason why Lari should reveal her role at this point. No vote was cast and her death far from certain. Now she will be killed at night. Then again, it does look honest.

If we let her live, and she IS the ranger, the wraiths will either find her in the night, or leave her be and hope we waste a lynch tomorrow.
Unlikely. Leaving a known innocent alive is not that much of a risk, but if the ranger is left alive and happens to successfully protect somebody, that's a really bad thing for the wraiths. Lari is dead, unless the wraiths have some reason to believe she's lying (i.e., she's the cobbler).

[Nerwen]

Just a reminder: no random voting toDay, please. We really need to get either a wraith or Ferny this time, or we are in major trouble toMorrow.

EDIT: X'd with Mac.

[Nerwen]

What? If she's not the real ranger and the real ranger reveals himself, he'll be dead. If he stays hidden he can still make a save and buy us an additional Day! Then we would lynch Lari and probably find her to be the cobbler and nothing is won.

Indeed. If she's not the Ranger, the real Ranger needs to keep quiet at this point.

It will be a problem if there's two claimants toMorrow though... Can we safely assume that, after toNight, a living Lari is a guilty Lari?

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm the real Ranger. I even stupidly left out a night. Before protecting Mac for the first time I protected Fea. Hence why I asked if the wolves/wraiths could get another kill if the one that they wanted to kill was protected. I assumed they would go after Fea after the Durelin lynch and then try to frame Nog. Well they sort of did...if you switch Fea and Nog.:rolleyes:

I revealed now because it seemed like the last option, and, well, I'm apparently horrible at the whole who to protect thing.

Menel: Not really, but that one does work too. I thought of the archery later. It was more the whole "love of traveling, outdoors, justice" and such that I was like "well, that gives away my role like it's its job".

[Lariren Shadow]

will be a problem if there's two claimants toMorrow though... Can we safely assume that, after toNight, a living Lari is a guilty Lari?

No you can't. I can protect myself.

[Macalaure]

Legate's death. The trouble, as usual, is finding out whether somebody was killed because he was dangerous or because he left no trails. Legate's is pretty clear about who he suspects. Rune and Brego are innocent, and Nerwen and Aganzir likely so. He initially was tempted to believe Lari innocent, but then changed his mind. He refrains from going after Menel and is deeply unsure of Miri. You can't tell me that Legate was killed because he was dangerous to anybody. Apart from Lari, nobody really had to fear him. This looks good for her (and Miri, too. Menel less so, because he could not have been sure of what Legate was going to do about him toDay.)

I revealed now because it seemed like the last option, and, well, I'm apparently horrible at the whole who to protect thing.
Rangering has a lot to do with luck. Unless an innocent's role is revealed, the chances of successfully protecting somebody are pretty slim. A ranger is a nice thing to have, but she's rarely decisive. Missing the protection of Lommy is some darn bad luck...

No you can't. I can protect myself.
Ah, that's neat. :)

[Nerwen]

No you can't. I can protect myself.

Well, that could make for an interesting Day toMorrow.

Where does it say that, though?

EDIT: X'd with Mac.

[Macalaure]

I think I will vote for one of the people Legate thought was innocent toDay. Rune, Brego, Nerwen, or Aganzir. But which one?

[Mirandir]

++Mirandir

I probably won't be back before deadline, so I will do like Salvador Allende. . . say "¡Viva Chile! ¡Viva el pueblo! ¡Vivan los trabajadores!" and take my leave.

I don't suppose it would be worth asking why...

No you can't. I can protect myself.

Oooh handy! Are you sure about that though?

[Lariren Shadow]

Where does it say that, though?

I asked Kitanna one Night.

Edit: x-posted with Miri(a? which one do you like?)

[Macalaure]

I still wonder whether Rune's interaction with Brinn on Day1 might have been staged and his involvement in the Durelin lynch is suspicious. Then again, so is Lari's and Miri's (and both were more sneaky), and I won't vote for either toDay. What makes me hesitate is that Rune is quite his usual self: a bit grumpy and utterly unafraid to speak his mind.

Beregond looks so innocent to me that it's starting to frighten me. As I said before, if he's a wraith, he's one slick specimen. Even most experienced players couldn't do it like him. I can't help but be wary of him, though.

We still haven't seen much of Nerwen since RL is limiting her. She hasn't done anything to make me suspicious, but hasn't really done anything to make me think she's very innocent either. She would be a bit of a shot in the dark.

Aganzir, nah. She's the only contributor of her level of volume left, and it'd be a shame to lynch her with reasons as vague as mine (even though I think I'm on the right track). Also, seeing the wraiths' appetite for loud villagers (Nog, Rikae, Leggit), she will probably be killed toNight and I'm unwilling to do their dirty work.

[Nerwen]

I think I will vote for one of the people Legate thought was innocent toDay. Rune, Brego, Nerwen, or Aganzir. But which one?

Ahem. Macalaure, that looks rather as if you're paving the way for a random lynch.

EDIT: X'd with Mac. Okay, you're not, then.

[Macalaure]

Ahem. Macalaure, that looks rather as if you're paving the way for a random lynch.

Nah. I will give Legate's suspects the benefit of the doubt toDay and won't vote for Miri or Menel (well, and Lari). Unfortunately, even with the narrowed field, I'm very unsure. I can't see anyone of the living as clearly wraith-ish, even though even two of them are left. I'm a bit dissatisfied with myself in this village, I can tell you. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

Not confident about this vote, but out of my list of four, she just seems the least innocent.

++Nerwen

I might be around later to rethink and retract.

[Nerwen]

Thoughts:

Lari– well, we won't know what to think if she's alive toMorrow... but we still can't risk lynching her now.

Aganzir: Built up a case on Legate, so unlikely to have killed him last Night; probably wouldn't go after Mac so hard if she were a wraith, in case he really is Ferny.

Rune: One of the Durelin-voters (and look, it's very unlikely none of them were wraiths). Today seems a little too quick to dismiss Lari's claim.

Mira: Another Durelin-voter. Has seemed vaguely sneaky on and off... could be just a nervous newbie, though.

Menel: In the opposite direction, seemed rather too quick to announce that he knew Lari's identity all along, etc (however he did make that "Sagittarius" comment ages ago). Was also too quick to believe Brinn, and made that odd "on our side" remark. (Ferny trying to signal to the wraiths?)

Mac: Another cobbler-candidate. Whether he is Ferny or not, the wraiths may think he is, which would explain why he's still alive.

In fact, it would really help to know if the wraiths and Ferny are aware of each other's identities or not. I have reason to think Ferny isn't, or wasn't a couple of Days ago (explanation next post).

Finally, there Beregond, whom I keep forgetting about. Seems very innocent ... as Mac says, almost scarily so... but if he's a newbie villain, all I can say is he's doing a fine job and probably deserves to win.

EDIT: X'd with Mac. Hey!

[Nerwen]

Unfortunately, I can't find the quote I was looking for: but somewhere during Sally's closing variety act she said something about Ferny's suggestions being funny... trying to tell him some of them were wraiths, perhaps?

[Nerwen]

Am I just taking it personally, or does Mac's vote for me look kind of evil?

[Nerwen]

I thought, in his last post but two, he was saying he wasn't going to vote people just because Legate found them innocent.

I'm wondering: is he Ferny, and is he afraid to vote anyone who looks remotely wolfish?

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, though I have nothing solid to go on, I'm definitely getting a "not good" feeling from Nerwen at this point, probably due to her being overly suspicious of the recently-revealed Ranger and my recognition of her messages (anything about my post yesterday that doesn't fit with my statement today?)

I don't know...

More stuff: Reviewing Day One, I find that Rune actually voted for Brinniel that day, not Durelin. Oops:o

Speaking of Day 1, let's see what the voting reveals, now that we know more about who's who.

Rune's vote does not look like something a wraith would do, as it put Brinn in a tie with Gollum for a lynching.

Agan's vote reveals little, as it was really early in the game.

Mirandir voted for Thinlomien, bringing the total lynchees to three. I don't think this is the vote of a wraith, as one of them would be more likely to vote Gollum into the lead ahead of Brinn.

Beregond tosses in a bizarre vote for Mac, bringing the total lynchees to four and still fails to save Brinn.

At this point Nerwen steps in and votes Gollum squarely into the lead. Mac the possible cobbler and Brinn the wraith follow her lead, putting Gollum far into the lead.

The most wraithlike individual appears to be Nerwen, who cast a deciding vote for saving Brinn, with Aganzir second as her vote left no tracks one way or another.

Well, that will be it for now. Based on the voting:

--Rune Son of Bjarne

++Nerwen

See you in the morning, I hope.

[Lariren Shadow]

Menel: In the opposite direction, seemed rather too quick to announce that he knew Lari's identity all along, etc (however he did make that "Sagittarius" comment ages ago). Was also too quick to believe Brinn, and made that odd "on our side" remark. (Ferny trying to signal to the wraiths?)

His post about it was yesterDay, not ages ago. I don't know, but he only said he figured it out yesterDay.

[Nerwen]

His post about it was yesterDay, not ages ago. I don't know, but he only said he figured it out yesterDay.

That's what comes of having to read through several Day's posts in a hurry. I had the impression he'd said it earlier... but if it's only yesterDay it doesn't mean so much.

[Lariren Shadow]

Post...anyone?

Vote count:
Menel -> Rune
Rune -> Mira
Mac -> Nerwen
Menel -> --Rune ++Nerwen

Nerwen 2, Mira 1

Edit: x-posted with Nerwen

Edit2: Fixed vote count

[Nerwen]

Actually, Menel's previous vote was for Mira.

So it's Mira 1, me 2. I will vote Mira to save myself if need be, but I'd prefer not to, as there just doesn't seem to be enough of a case against her.

As for what Menel is saying about me: well, I don't tend to automatically trust gifted reveals, and yours, Lari, came at an odd time. And I voted Gollum on Day One because Lommy seemed innocent, and Gollum looked the most suspicious of the other candidates. That's all.

EDIT: X'd with Lari.

[Beregond]

Thank you, Mac and Nerwen - I wish I was a wraith and able to receive your entire compliments! As it is I'll just be happy to remain so seemingly innocent. :)

And great analysis, Menel. That's some good stuff, looking back on day 1. Here's the complete "chronology"

Greenie -> Gollum
Lommy -> Aganzir
Gollum -> Brinn
Aganzir -> Lari
Legate -> Mac
Shasta -> Lommy
Nog -> Gollum
Menel -> Mac
Rune -> Brinn
Fea -> Brinn
Mirandir -> Lommy
Beregond -> Mac
Durelin -> Lommy
Sally -> Mac
Lari -> Durelin
Rikae -> Lommy
Nerwen -> Gollum
Mac -> Gollum
Brinn -> Gollum
Rikae --Lommy -> Gollum


It makes Rune look pretty innocent (unless as cobbler). Mac can be accused simply of saving himself. Miri isn't excused for not voting Gollum - it was her first day and first vote. Menel, your vote can't be read either way since at that point no wraith was in danger. Agan is unreadable. Lari too.

Nerwen...yes, this doesn't look great for her. In a day with few people and no clear suspects it may be enough evidence to go on.

To rehash, from looking at day 1...

INNOCENT:

Rune
Berry :D


NO READ:

Miri
Mac
Menel
Agan
Lari


SUSPICIOUS:

Nerwen


We have to keep in mind that Frodo wasn't yet stabbed, and Ferny likely as in the dark as anyone. So my conclusion is that Nerwen is most likely to be a wraith. Miri, Mac, and Rune are frontrunners for the positions of henchman and turncloak. None of the others are completely off my list by any means, even Agan.

For the record I tend to believe Lari's claim. Either way she shouldn't be voted off the island.

[Aganzir]

Lynching a wraith-to-be if xe were revealed is a bad idea, Agan? It may be a bit harsh, but that would at least keep the number of wraiths from increasing.
Yes. A really bad idea. Firstly, if Frodo had revealed, it doesn't seem very likely the wolves would have attacked xem. Secondly, if they for some reason had, we would have known who Frodo was and could have lynched xem only then. Up until that xe would have served as a known innocent. I fail to see why xe should have been lynched before xe was turned.

the strange need to refute everything Mac says seems unusual as well.
You can consider it a tradition. :smokin:

Ah, I see that Lari has confirmed what I suspected about her from yesterDay.
Hmph and I thought it was a cobblerish remark.

Answer to Aganzir: I just ment it is easier when you can find a pattern in the voting. . .if it appears random you can use it to very little.
That's what I thought but I don't think wolves vote in any special pattern very often so I wasn't sure I had understood it correctly.

What? If she's not the real ranger and the real ranger reveals himself, he'll be dead. If he stays hidden he can still make a save and buy us an additional Day! Then we would lynch Lari and probably find her to be the cobbler and nothing is won.
Okay that's true. Although I don't see how you ended up with the cobbler conclusion - a suspected wolf could try to pretend to be the ranger as well. And it wouldn't matter even if we lynched the cobbler because we have to get one baddie today, or at latest tomorrow, but then it'll be somewhat more difficult.

I am a bit baffled about Mac wanting to vote one of the people I consider innocent.

I wonder if a Menelwolf would have left Lari alive after figuring what she meant with the Sagittarius comment. Unless he was a wolf who thought it was a cobblerish remark or vice versa, but the former seems unlikely to me.

but if he's a newbie villain, all I can say is he's doing a fine job and probably deserves to win.
I said the same about Lari last game so being a newbie doesn't mean getting a free pass from me anymore.

but somewhere during Sally's closing variety act she said something about Ferny's suggestions being funny... trying to tell him some of them were wraiths, perhaps?
It's clear from your suggestions for night kills
The lights are not all on upstairs
But we're talking lyches and victory
Your options are far beyond compare

does Mac's vote for me look kind of evil?
Yes. I'd much rather lynch Mac himself than Nerwen who is one of the most innocent-looking here.

I don't like Menel's analysis. Using day 1 as a grounds for one's vote seems a bit far-fetched at this point of the game. First Mac votes for an innocentish person and then Menel comes up with several points against her concerning her day one behaviour. I don't think Nerwen's vote was suspicious, and it's definitely not her fault if a wolf and the cobbler decide to jump on the bandwagon.

I could vote for Menel, Mira, or Mac.

I'll go make some tea. Back in a few minutes.

[Aganzir]

In a day with few people and no clear suspects it may be enough evidence to go on.
No it isn't! It most definitely isn't! It's just an easy way out.

[Beregond]

Well, maybe I was a little quick on the gun, but I wish I could find something better to go on. I haven't voted yet.

[Nerwen]

This is just what I was afraid of...

Well, maybe I was a little quick on the gun, but I wish I could find something better to go on. I haven't voted yet.

After Mac and Menel's recent performance, I should say there's quite a good case for voting either of them.

[Aganzir]

Well analysing day 1 voting on a day we have to get either a wolf or the cobbler seems rather mischievous to me. If you formed your opinion based on voting every day, it'd be alright, but picking just one day, not to mention the first, and using it to justify a vote for someone I think is a very likely innocent...

I think I'd be willing to vote for Menel.

edit: xed with Nerwen. Yeah I could go for Mac as well.

[Aganzir]

Is there anyone else around but Nerwen, Berry & me?

[Beregond]

Okay, this might be the worst flip-flop of all time, but

++Menel

You've changed my mind. I thought back to the post I was going to write before Menel posted, and it had Menel and Mac among the suspects and Nerwen and Agan on the good side, but I changed my mind quite easily (and have again). Whatever, I don't care. We'd just better be right this time.

[Nerwen]

Apparently not even Berry, now.

Would you be willing to vote for Mira? I don't feel nearly as sure she's evil, though...

EDIT: X'd with Beregond.

[Mirandir]

Oh my. I haven't been around today have I? Crap. :eek: The next 20 minutes will be spent attempting to come up with a justifiable vote.

[Aganzir]

Would you be willing to vote for Mira? I don't feel nearly as sure she's evil, though...
I'd rather vote for Menel. He's been looking much more suspicious than Mira, but also more innocent. I'm just trying to sort out my thoughts concerning them.

Another option would be Mac but he doesn't have any votes yet so I don't know.

[Nerwen]

We're running out of time

++Menel

[Aganzir]

Of the people alive, Menel looks the most suspicious, but he has done some pretty innocentish-looking things as well (like believing Brinn at first, which would be a bold thing to do for a wolf). Anyway, he's suspecting 2/3 of those I find innocent, and his examination of day 1 voting looks deliberately irrelevant/misleading.

Mira has been suspicious, too, but I don't know how much of it is just that she's new. The late kill choices look somewhat newbie-ish, though, and she's more suspicious than Berry. Gah I'll take a look also at him tomorrow.

Mac's vote was simply bad. Many people thought Legate was killed by someone whom he suspected, what does Mac do? Decides to go and vote for someone he found innocent. The cobbler who's afraid of accidentally voting for a wolf, eh?

[Aganzir]

++Menel

I really hope we got it right, otherwise this is going to look dark.

Rune -> Mira
Mac -> Nerwen
Menel -> --Rune ++Nerwen
Berry -> Menel
Nerwen -> Menel
Agan -> Menel

Menel 3, Nerwen 2, Mira 1

[Beregond]

Looks like Lari and Mira are the contestants on tonight's Beat The Clock. :)

[Mirandir]

Mira has been suspicious, too, but I don't know how much of it is just that she's new. The late kill choices look somewhat newbie-ish, though, and she's more suspicious than Berry. Gah I'll take a look also at him tomorrow.


Well the late kill choices could be explained by me being a newbie, but also because I like to wait and see what everyone has to say before I make a decision. Sometimes new information comes to light nearer to deadline (such as reveals) and I'd rather have that information before voting, even with the option to retract.

As for the vote. I had a decent reason for voting Berry as a wolf/cobbler and a suspicion as to who his fellow wolf/cobbler was aaaaaaaand then something shiny flew by and I completely lost it. But at this point it doesn't appear that voting for him would do anything and would be a throwaway so I'll bandwagon and go with Menel. Sigh.

++Menel

[Aganzir]

Well the late kill choices could be explained by me being a newbie, but also because I like to wait and see what everyone has to say before I make a decision. Sometimes new information comes to light nearer to deadline (such as reveals) and I'd rather have that information before voting, even with the option to retract.
No I was talking about the wolf kills.

[Lariren Shadow]

Well I guess I'll vote the same way:

++Menel

Mostly because I need to vote right now.

[Mirandir]

No I was talking about the wolf kills.

My bad. I'm rather tired and out of it and supposed to be working. :rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

My bad. I'm rather tired and out of it and supposed to be working. :rolleyes:
No problem, it just took me a few seconds to realise what you were talking about. :D

[Beregond]

Would love to hear your evidence against me tomorrow, Mira!

Kitanna, just wanted to point out your punctuality, coming in at exactly the deadline every or almost every day. It's nice for us knowing the cutoff is regular (maybe it always is, I don't know). :)

[Nerwen]

As for the vote. I had a decent reason for voting Berry as a wolf/cobbler and a suspicion as to who his fellow wolf/cobbler was aaaaaaaand then something shiny flew by and I completely lost it.

Hang on! Why do you say this now?

[Kitanna]

Time, Menel's death will be soon.

[Kitanna]

Menel was drunk again. As usual. The village was surprised. But they were now coming to believe Menel's drunken fool act was nothing but a clever disguise. It was obvious this drunk was a wraith and they were prepared to test the theory.

Agan and Rune tackled Menel while Mirandir got a chair, Beregond got some rope, Mac got a funnel, and Nerwen and Lariren got four jugs of wine.

The villagers tied Menel to the chair, while he squirmed against the ropes bonds. “I'm innocent! I swear!”

Rune held Menel's head still while Mac put the funnel in his mouth. The villagers then began the process of forcing the town drunk into drinking the wine. Menel sputtered some out, rivers flowed from the corners of his mouth, but for the most part the wine was getting into his system. As a career drunk Menel's body was conditioned to taking lots of alcohol in in a 24 hour period. However, his body wasn't accustomed to so much, so quickly.

In a serious act of rebellion Menel's liver exploded. His death followed seconds later, blood dripping from his mouth and nose, mixing with the red wine. Menel had died with the bottle, the same way he had lived. And he was completely innocent of all crimes except drunken shenanigans.

Living
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Aganzir
Beregond
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc – Eaten by a bear Night 7 (innocent)
Meneltarmacil – Impossible liver explosion Day 7 (innocent)

[Kitanna]

The next morning the villagers awoke to find Beregond missing from the morning meeting. The few villagers that remained walked along to Beregond's home. They hoped he was just sleeping in, but by this point everyone knew better.

Outside Beregond's home the wraiths had displayed the smith's head on a nice long spike. Someone they had even managed to make his death face smile. Beregond looked happy, despite the complete lack of body.

The villagers continued on to see what had become of the body. They found it propped up in front of the fireplace in what looked to be a nice cozy chair. A string was tied to Beregond's wrist and when the villagers opened or closed the front door the arm waved to them. With a smile and a friendly face Beregond moved on to the next life.

It was almost endearing, except for the blood everywhere.

Living
Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Aganzir
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc – Eaten by a bear Night 7 (innocent)
Meneltarmacil – Impossible liver explosion Day 7 (innocent)
Beregond – Beheaded and put on display Night 8 (innocent)

[Mirandir]

:eek: Two more innocents dead...This can not be allowed to continue, guys. At this rate the wraiths will have the village overrun in no time flat.

And on that note, I am off to bed. (Yes, I did stay up much later than was probably healthy in order to see who got killed. Sigh. Busy day Thursdays are, but I shall be around nonetheless (bringing the laptop to work? Very possible. :p).

[Nerwen]

Some thoughts on yesterDay's voting:

Well, I'm sorry about Menel.... except that what did he have to do something so evil-looking for? Worse than Fea. What's with this village?:(

I suppose it's remotely possible that Mac is an innocent also infected by the vote-as-evilly-as-possible virus, but I doubt it. He's too experienced not to know that what he was doing was a recipe for disaster. I really don't think I'm being biased: if that wasn't the vote of a cobbler afraid of lynching a wolf by accident, I will drown myself in one of my own brewing vats.:p

EDIT: word left out.

[Nerwen]

:eek: Two more innocents dead...This can not be allowed to continue, guys. At this rate the wraiths will have the village overrun in no time flat.

Specifically, unless we get a wraith toDay or the Ranger makes a successful protection toNight.

[Nerwen]

Aganzir
Mirandir
Rune
Lari.

Two of these people are wraiths

Aganzir: I don't see any reason to suspect her. Helping save me yesterDay is something an Aganwraith might do, to win my trust... but I'm certainly not making a "just in case" vote toDay.

Rune: *shrugs* Overall, has done innocent-looking and evil-looking things in about equal numbers. I don't know what to make of him.

Lari: Well, she's either the Ranger or she's lying her head off– it's that simple. Openly jumped on the bandwagon yesterDay– but is that too obvious for a wraith? (The cobbler might do it, but I think Mac's the cobbler). Changes her list of who she protected– which looks pretty bad, but could be just carelessness– she gets the voting count wrong later.

Mira: Another openly bandwaggoning vote... again, too obvious? Makes cryptic remark (soon before DL) about having a case against Beregond as "wolf/cobbler", then forgetting it. I'd like to know what that was about, as it's quite a weird thing for an innocent to say, newbie or not. It seems to me that if she's a wraith, she might have been paving the way to get Berry lynched if necessary.

[Nerwen]

I have to go now, so

++Mirandir

as currently the most wraith-like... but I'll definitely be back later and will change this if I see reason to do so.

Please, no silly voting this time!

[Macalaure]

I suppose it's remotely possible that Mac is an innocent also infected by the vote-as-evilly-as-possible virus, but I doubt it.
Of course, a knee-jerk vote against somebody who made a weird vote against you is so much less suspicious... :rolleyes:

I thought, in his last post but two, he was saying he wasn't going to vote people just because Legate found them innocent.

No, not just because. I limited myself to them because I thought it was a good idea, and still do, and then chose the most suspicious-looking out of the four, which was you.

a suspected wolf could try to pretend to be the ranger as well.

Yes, but it's a lot less likely. No wraith wants to sacrifice himself to flush out the ranger. It's not worth it.


Nerwen and Aganzir teaming up to lynch somebody who counts as innocent is very, very suspicious. The fact that both also consider Miri as an option makes me feel a lot better about her.

It's Beregond who steers the whole thing into Menel's direction, but he's innocent.


Of the people alive, Menel looks the most suspicious, but he has done some pretty innocentish-looking things as well

This doesn't only smell bad, it reeks. And people call my reasoning bad. Considering how much talk there was about how crucial yesterDay's lynch would be, this reasoning can't be explained with carelessness, it is willfully malign.

Anyway, he's suspecting 2/3 of those I find innocent

So?

Many people thought Legate was killed by someone whom he suspected, what does Mac do? Decides to go and vote for someone he found innocent.

Did they? I have to check again, but as far as I remember, only you and Rune were certain about it.

[Aganzir]

Aiee this is not going well.

Sorry Menel.

So it's 3-3 now. Guess what I realised during the night? It's too late to lynch the cobbler anymore. It should have been done yesterday. And the most annoying thing is that Rikae actually said it but no one paid heed to her.

What's with this village?
When planning the game, Kit probably didn't take into account the Black Breath, which drives people crazy...

He's too experienced not to know that what he was doing was a recipe for disaster.
Indeed. But basically we should just ignore everything he says now if we want to have any chance to kill a wolf.

Lari: Well, she's either the Ranger or she's lying her head off– it's that simple.
If she wasn't the ranger, the real ranger would have come out by now, or at least during today. I see no reason not to believe her.
Good job saying you can protect yourself, Lari. It seems the wolves didn't even want to take a risk of missing a kill and now we have a known innocent alive. :D

It seems to me that if she's a wraith, she might have been paving the way to get Berry lynched if necessary.
True. That didn't even occur to me and I wondered why you were so puzzled about it.

I have to leave in some 1.5 hours but I won't be away for long, and after that I can be online as long as I wish as I have no need to wake up early tomorrow.

[Aganzir]

Of course, a knee-jerk vote against somebody who made a weird vote against you is so much less suspicious...
So did you find the day 1 voting a good reason to vote for someone on a day when we would have had to get a baddie?

Yes, but it's a lot less likely. No wraith wants to sacrifice himself to flush out the ranger. It's not worth it.
Lari was heavily suspected and she would probably have been lynched had she not come out.

Nerwen and Aganzir teaming up to lynch somebody who counts as innocent is very, very suspicious. The fact that both also consider Miri as an option makes me feel a lot better about her.
Hahaha was that a confession? :D

Considering how much talk there was about how crucial yesterDay's lynch would be, this reasoning can't be explained with carelessness, it is willfully malign.
I fail to see what is suspicious about trying to see both sides of the issue.

So?
I much rather think you're evil than that I'm wrong.

I have to check again, but as far as I remember, only you and Rune were certain about it.
In a village this small, two counts as many people. :p

Mac seems to be playing with a strategy of his own that I can't understand. And the fact that he's accusing Nerwen makes me feel even better about her.

[Aganzir]

I wonder why Mac starts attacking Nerwen right after she voted for Mira. Does he perchance think Mira is a wolf and tries to keep her from the gallows now...? I don't like it.

[Macalaure]

But basically we should just ignore everything he says now
All I can say to this is that I hope the village won't listen to this. This is the reason I've been kept alive, folks, because Aganwraith had faith that she could twist the village's mind into believing this.

If she wasn't the ranger, the real ranger would have come out by now, or at least during today.
She said it again!

You said we can no longer lynch the cobbler now, but did it also occur to you that if we do end up lynching him/her, that we will play the ranger protection lottery at night? I commented on the same thing yesterDay and you said I was right, now you say it again! I wish I never thought you were innocent. This way of trying to get the ranger's identity is clearly evil.

So did you find the day 1 voting a good reason to vote for someone on a day when we would have had to get a baddie?

No, but didn't you think that a wraith could have made up a better reason to vote for somebody?

It's a bit beyond me why people always vote for those who look weird instead of those who are suspicious. Didn't you guys learn from Durelin's death? And some wonder what's wrong with this village. ;)

Hahaha was that a confession?

No, a fact. A fact stated even to those who believe you.

I fail to see what is suspicious about trying to see both sides of the issue.

What about a person who tells people how important it is that we get it right and then votes for somebody she thinks is half-innocent?

I much rather think you're evil than that I'm wrong.

Apparently. What I meant, though, is that obviously you thought the same of Menel, too, and possibly of everybody. :rolleyes:

In a village this small, two counts as many people.

And in a village no matter the size, twisting the facts is suspicious.

I wonder why Mac starts attacking Nerwen right after she voted for Mira.

There are only about 6 hours between our posts, but never mind. :D
And why do you say "start"? I voted for her yesterDay, remember?


(all quotes by Aganzir)

[Aganzir]

You said we can no longer lynch the cobbler now, but did it also occur to you that if we do end up lynching him/her, that we will play the ranger protection lottery at night?
I'd rather lynch a wolf than take a risk and gamble next night, especially as the situation tomorrow would be completely the same as today, only with one or two persons less. And that doesn't really make a difference... If the wolves & the cobbler manage to cooperate and vote for the same person so that xe'll get xyr three votes first today, they win. If two wolves manage to do it tomorrow, they win. It's all the same.

No, but didn't you think that a wraith could have made up a better reason to vote for somebody?
It doesn't matter what the reasons are if the baddie is good at manipulating. You almost made at least two innocents follow your vote yesterday, Menel even came up with new points to back up his vote.

What about a person who tells people how important it is that we get it right and then votes for somebody she thinks is half-innocent?
What if that half-innocent tried to kill someone she thought was innocent?
And if I say he has been innocentish at times, suspicious at others, it means he's half-guilty, not half-innocent. That's how it goes in werewolf. Also, if you don't happen to remember, after Lari's reveal he was the person I suspected the most.

And in a village no matter the size, twisting the facts is suspicious.
I don't think I was twisting the facts. I only remembered I was not the only one who thought so.

There are only about 6 hours between our posts, but never mind.
I take it you were fast asleep when she posted and attacked her points right after you saw them. :p

And why do you say "start"? I voted for her yesterDay, remember?
With reasoning like "not sure, she just seems the least innocent of these." While your intent was to get her killed, it was not an attack yet.

Grr Mac you're really doing your job well and using my lack of self-discipline for your own ends, I'm just arguing with you although I should be looking for wolves!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am not suprised that we have an all female wraith team. . . There is two wraiths among Aganzir, Mira and Nerwen. Unless Lari is bluffing, but I am not considering that an option at this moment. I feel that Mira and Nerwen seems more wraith like, but Aganzir has deffinetly played differently than she did in Fea's game and in that game she was innocent.
Now the last two times I have noticed people playing differently they have turned out to be wolves and for that reason I am considering voting for Aganzir, but she has seemed very reasonable and the other two that I found reasonable turned out innocent.

So what if we did not kill the cobbler, it matters not!
If we had killed the cobbler/mac last night, we would just have killed an innocent and not been any closer to winning.
It would not give us an extra chance to kill a wraith, we would just be pushing the desition infront of us. In fact killing the cobbler would have been stupid as we would just have killed an known innocent, atleast there was a chance Menel was a wraith. The cobbler still don't know who the wolves are, so he can still vote for one of them.

[Aganzir]

If two wolves manage to do it tomorrow, they win. It's all the same.
Hmm actually it isn't - they wouldn't even have to do it as they'd win anyway if their number was equal to the number of innocents.
But even if the cobbler was lynched today & there was a succesful ranger protection, it'd be 3-2 tomorrow.

This is looking rather bad in any case.

[Aganzir]

In a sense you're right about the cobbler Rune but if we had killed him yesterday, it would be 4-2 now. At the moment it's 3-3, and the cobbler can create havoc and vote with the wolves...

And also, I wouldn't be so sure the cobbler doesn't know who they are. It just seems unlikely. Though on the other hand that would explain why Mac seemed to be afraid of voting for a wolf yesterday.

As for the difference between Fea's game and this, I had school then whereas now I don't so I'm considerably less tired and stressed. :cool:

Mira would be my first guess for a wraith but I think I need to take another look at Nerwen and Rune at some point today.

[Aganzir]

I need to leave now. See you in a few hours.

[Lariren Shadow]

As of right now, I'm more inclined to believe that Miri is innocent, mostly because, while she's said some weird things, I kind of think of them as careless newbie mistakes having reread them.

I want to look more at Agan though. She's been very helpful...but almost too helpful at times.

I really can't say more, Tuesdays and Thursdays are my horribly busy days and add on to that that tonight I have an honor society induction and am pretty much not going to be around until really later.

[Macalaure]

I'd rather lynch a wolf than take a risk and gamble next night, especially as the situation tomorrow would be completely the same as today, only with one or two persons less. And that doesn't really make a difference... If the wolves & the cobbler manage to cooperate and vote for the same person so that xe'll get xyr three votes first today, they win. If two wolves manage to do it tomorrow, they win. It's all the same.

Of course.

Did you notice, however, that with this you completely ignored my actual point about you trying to make a possible real ranger reveal? Actually, it just occurred to me, it could just as well have been a hint to the cobbler to make a fake reveal. This even makes more sense together with Agan's idea that a wraith is likely to impersonate the ranger (it would otherwise conflict with her correct conclusion that the cobbler doesn't matter toDay anymore).

It doesn't matter what the reasons are if the baddie is good at manipulating. You almost made at least two innocents follow your vote yesterday, Menel even came up with new points to back up his vote.

What does this have to do with Menel coming up with bad, but not really suspicious reasons for his vote? It doesn't matter what an innocent says, if he's "manipulated" by a "baddie" he needs to die? :confused:

I take it you were fast asleep when she posted and attacked her points right after you saw them.

I wake up. I read something I disagree with. I comment on it. That's how it goes in werewolf. ;)

As of right now, I'm more inclined to believe that Miri is innocent

I'm inclined to think so, too.

This means that all of Aganzir, Rune, and Nerwen must be evil. The question is, which two are the greater evils? I really can't tell at this point.

[Aganzir]

As of right now, I'm more inclined to believe that Miri is innocent, mostly because, while she's said some weird things, I kind of think of them as careless newbie mistakes having reread them.
Yeah but if she's innocent it means Nerwen and Rune are wolves... And I simply can't see them as baddies after playing the whole game without suspecting them. At least not them both.

Garr I need to read more.

As for Berry's death, I wonder why him and not someone else. It doesn't seem to fit the wolves' kill policy thus far. Well he wasn't suspected although Mira promised to take a look at his posts. Hmm Rikae & Legate's deaths somewhat pointed at her, yesterday she was suspected because of it, and now the kill is someone Mira was planning to make a case against... :p

Did you notice, however, that with this you completely ignored my actual point about you trying to make a possible real ranger reveal?
Nope, I didn't even notice you suggested it. To be honest I didn't understand what you meant with "trying to get the ranger's identity."

Actually, it just occurred to me, it could just as well have been a hint to the cobbler to make a fake reveal.
Ooh do you want to reveal as the ranger? :p

What does this have to do with Menel coming up with bad, but not really suspicious reasons for his vote? It doesn't matter what an innocent says, if he's "manipulated" by a "baddie" he needs to die?
Hmm I first thought about Menel getting Berry to agree with him but I see it didn't make it to the post very clearly.

I wake up. I read something I disagree with. I comment on it. That's how it goes in werewolf.
It's still a bit surprising you find her oh so suspicious after she voted for Mira on a day we need to get a wolf...

Is there anyone else around but me and Bill?

[Aganzir]

Is even Bill around anymore?

Aiii I'm bored and feel like chatting instead of starting to go through the posts yet again!

[Aganzir]

Okay I am going through the thread and trying to figure out Rune and Nerwen. However neither of them has looked wolfish at all (I'm on day 3 now, looking forward to seeing if something changes after that).

I'm seriously considering voting for Mira because she's the only one whose wolfishness from the beginning would make sense. However I want to complete this before deciding anything.

Gah this is frustrating.

[Macalaure]

And I simply can't see them as baddies after playing the whole game without suspecting them. At least not them both.

Will you at least give us a hint who your partner is? Or doesn't it matter because you're Ferny and you either suspect or know them both. ;)

It doesn't seem to fit the wolves' kill policy thus far.

Joking aside, what is that kill policy? What strategy do you see? Share, please.

I think Beregond was killed because he was unlikely to get a vote from anybody.

Which makes me think that the wraiths made a mistake: Accusing me of cobblerdom won't work anymore now because even the people who believe this claim won't vote for me anymore now. Maybe they were confused about whether Lari would be protecting me last Night or not.

Nope, I didn't even notice you suggested it. To be honest I didn't understand what you meant with "trying to get the ranger's identity."

If she wasn't the ranger, the real ranger would have come out by now, or at least during today.

Translation is either "Would the real ranger please show himself now so that we (or my wraiths) could either kill him or at least guess who he's going to protect" or "Would the cobbler please come out at last and cause some confusion".

It's still a bit surprising you find her oh so suspicious after she voted for Mira on a day we need to get a wolf...

Her suspicion of Miri has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's the way she (and you) turned on Menel yesterDay.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am around. . .but I don't know what to say.

[Aganzir]

Will you at least give us a hint who your partner is? Or doesn't it matter because you're Ferny and you either suspect or know them both. ;)
So you don't know yet who the wolves are? I hope you haven't been sending their own names to them lately... That'd make you a most unhelpful cobbler. :p

Joking aside, what is that kill policy? What strategy do you see? Share, please.
Ever since Brinn & sally died, they have killed loud / dangerous players. Of course it might be a coincidence but I'm not sure how likely.

Maybe they were confused about whether Lari would be protecting me last Night or not.
More likely they were confused about her protecting herself. It doesn't matter if she can or cannot, the wolves didn't seem to want to take a risk.

Her suspicion of Miri has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's the way she (and you) turned on Menel yesterDay.
I suppose we both found her more innocent than Menel.

[Aganzir]

Rune what would you think about voting for Mira? I'm rather sure neither you nor Nerwen is an original wolf and that leaves only her...

[Aganzir]

Rune voted for Brinn on day 1 because she reacted so strongly to accusations.
Nerwen considered voting for someone who already had a vote - Mac, Gollum, Brinn, or me. In the end she voted for Gollum. She added fuel to the Brinn suspicions on day 1 after her vote, though.

On day 2 Rune said he could understand why Brinn & Mac voted for Gollum (saving their skins) but other people's votes weren't as good. Could be an attempt to clear up a fellow & the cobbler but I don't think so because he didn't defend them afterwards. He also said, though, that speculating about changing sides wasn't a part of Frodo's role, which looks quite innocentish.
He voted for Dury because didn't want Fea to die (not that she probably would have). Also considered voting for Mac.
Nerwen wasn't around on day 2.

Brinn would have liked to hear a bit more from Mira (No Clue), found Nerwen's vote fishy (Watching), and didn't know what to think of Rune's attack against her (No Clue).

Nerwen examined the Dury lynching on day 3 and mentioned the possibility of Mira being a newbie wolf. She was suspicious of Fea and voted for her. Didn't know what to think of Mac but considered retracting for him, thinking he could be a wolf. She also accused sally of a throw-away vote.
Rune was torn about sally but seemed to be somewhat suspicious of her, and slightly worried about Mac. I don't think sally was much suspected at that point (apart from Lommy) so it would make little sense to bring a fellow under the spotlight. He questioned Mira's points against him and voted for Mac.

Brinn said little about Mira, just that her defences looked more honest than Lari's and she'd like to hear more from her (Could be anything). She thought Nerwen's day 1 vote was suspicious but found her more innocent of late (Slightly suspicious). She found Rune innocent.
Sally agreed with Mira on Rune. She voted for him.

Then on the night between day 3 and day 4 Frodo was turned. I can see reasons for the wolves attacking both of them. However I can't see how either of them could have been a wolf before that. It just doesn't compute. Both of their interaction with the known wolves is very innocentish. Also, they both expressed at least some unease about Mira, Mac, sally and Brinn.

I'll go through their later posts soon.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune what would you think about voting for Mira? I'm rather sure neither you nor Nerwen is an original wolf and that leaves only her...

That was my original plan, but now I am not so sure. . .

These are the people left:

Lariren Shadow
Mirandir
Aganzir
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure

I won't vote for Mac, Lari or my self, because we are innocent (although Lari is not 100% sure) That leaves Mira, Nerwen and You. A group of 3 where 2 are wraiths. So if you and Nerwen vote for Mira, it makes you look like a pair of wraiths, unless one of you is sacreficing Mira.

[Aganzir]

So if you and Nerwen vote for Mira, it makes you look like a pair of wraiths, unless one of you is sacreficing Mira.
Argh this is so confusing.

Both you and Nerwen look innocent yet at least one of you has to be a wolf! Or then Lari is lying but I don't think so.

I find it unlikely a wolf would sacrifice xyr fellow at this point... All they have to do today would be to wait for the cobbler to join them, assuming they got their votes in before we managed to make an unanimous decision.

Unless they don't know who the cobbler is and want to buy another day by lynching one now & making the other look good. The remaining wolf would be in the same situation tomorrow, though.

[Aganzir]

On day 4 Nerwen said she had thought Lommy could be the seer. Also this speaks against her original wolfishness as I think she would have killed Lommy earlier. Anyway she believed Lommy's claim instantly, whereas Rune wasn't sure who to believe.

Brinn listed Nerwen as suspicious and Rune as innocent but I don't think we can make anything of that because she was already a known wolf then. Mira was innocentish.

On day, erm, well the day sally was lynched Rune said he was flip-flopping on Mira and didn't want to lynch Mac. This is the first even remotely wolfish comment I've seen from those twain.

The day after sally's death Rune considered voting either for Lari or Mira. He questioned Menel's vote for her with no reasons, though, but that's normal. He voted Greenie.
Nerwen who popped in quickly said she'd trust Rune's judgement (as he was right about Brinn), and voted Greenie too. She said she hoped to get home before the deadline and possibly retract her vote.

Yesterday Rune thought Legate was killed for being too dangerous. He thought about Lari and Mira.
When Lari revealed as the ranger, they both asked independently of each other why she revealed now. Rune didn't pursue the subject further but Nerwen expressed some doubt about automatically believing her claim.
Rune voted for Mira.
Nerwen said Mira had seemed vaguely sneaky but she could just be a nervous newbie. She would have voted for her to save her skin yesterday, but although she didn't, she did point out suspicious things in her behaviour.

And today Nerwen voted for Mira, and Rune seems to have considered it, too.

Mac voted for Nerwen yesterday which almost got her lynched. Also, now he's defending Mira. I find his attack against Nerwen weak, especially as it somehow seems to be based on her Mira suspicions. Mac seemed to indicate he doesn't know who all the wolves are (unless he's bluffing). It certainly looks like he thinks Mira is one, though.

Hmm actually now that I think of it, it doesn't seem so unlikely that a wolf would not sacrifice a fellow. Looking at today, there are Mac & Lari who are not wolves. It leaves Mira, Rune, Nerwen and me. Neither Nerwen, Rune, nor me is suspected enough to be lynched without any questions arising, so the wolves might have figured it's best to let go of Mira and give the other better chances of winning. Especially if they have a reason to assume Mac might not know who they are.

The unfortunate thing is, I still don't have any idea which one is the last wolf. :(

++Mirandir

I'll be here for an undefined amount of time and able to retract if something happens. And although I have a bad feeling about this, Mira's guilt is the only thing I'm at least somewhat certain about.

And if you Rune and Nerwen are fellows, I'm so going to kill you.

**

Night protections:
1: Brinn(way to go on my part)
2: Mac
3: No one, I messed up and had a busy day and thought I protected Lommy, but apparently it never actually got done.
4: Mac
5: Agan
Before protecting Mac for the first time I protected Fea. Hence why I asked if the wolves/wraiths could get another kill if the one that they wanted to kill was protected. I assumed they would go after Fea after the Durelin lynch and then try to frame Nog. Well they sort of did...if you switch Fea and Nog.
So Lari who did you actually protect?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

This is killing me. . .Nerwen or Aganzir simply have to be a wraith maybe even both of them are, but there is something wrong. If they are both wraiths then it is awfully uncareful of them of voting for the same person so early, they migh do it in hope that Mac shows up to support them.

There is of course the possibility that only one of them are a wraith, but then one of them have chosen to sacrifice Mira and that does not make sense either.

I guess right now I find it most likely that they are both wolves. . . gaarr I am so confused.

All of this is of course based on Lari being the ranger.

I might have missed something. . .I probably have.

++Nerwen

[Aganzir]

I'm still here, more or less... Though don't know for how long because I'm just awfully tired. I'm happy I can sleep tomorrow.

I voted for Mira because she's the one I'm the most suspicious of and I can always retract if need be. The sooner we have voted the sooner we know what will happen... Also, because I don't think Mac is going to vote for her and I don't want to see any sudden wolf bandwagons.
I admit one reason that contributed to the strengthening of my suspicion against her is that I trust Mac's judgement... Although not the way he would like me to.

Why wouldn't it make sense if the wolves tried to sacrifice Mira? I see it as a clever way to look more innocent on a day when there simply aren't enough people to be lynched with justifiable reasons. Even if one wolf is lynched today, it'll still be 2-2 tomorrow, or 3-2 if Lari is lucky. Nonetheless, this looks quite bad for us, and the wolves know it as well.

I'm really confused too, I have no idea what's going on anymore... And I have no idea what to make of your vote. It looks like you're trying to save Mira.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I voted for Mira because she's the one I'm the most suspicious of and I can always retract if need be. The sooner we have voted the sooner we know what will happen... Also, because I don't think Mac is going to vote for her and I don't want to see any sudden wolf bandwagons.
I admit one reason that contributed to the strengthening of my suspicion against her is that I trust Mac's judgement... Although not the way he would like me to.

Why wouldn't it make sense if the wolves tried to sacrifice Mira? I see it as a clever way to look more innocent on a day when there simply aren't enough people to be lynched with justifiable reasons. Even if one wolf is lynched today, it'll still be 2-2 tomorrow, or 3-2 if Lari is lucky. Nonetheless, this looks quite bad for us, and the wolves know it as well.

I'm really confused too, I have no idea what's going on anymore... And I have no idea what to make of your vote. It looks like you're trying to save Mira.

It would not make sense because if they both survives, then they win. . . I assume that they want to win as soon as possible, especially when there is not one of them that look destined to die.

and your vote last night looked like you where trying to save Nerwen. . .

Anyways I won't be around anymore, I need sleep, so I will leave before long.

[Aganzir]

It would not make sense because they both survives, then they win. . . I assume that they want to win as soon as possible, especially when there is not one of them that look destined to die.
That's true... But if Mira is a wolf their chances of immediate survival don't look very good. She was generally considered quite suspicious yesterday (more suspicious than we other survivors) and it would have raised even more suspicion if someone had come today like "Hey I think Mira is innocent let's lynch this person!" They might want to win as soon as possible, but they might also want to play it safe. I can't see how one option would be significantly better than the other, it's just what they choose and that's why I vote for the one I suspect the most.

To be honest I don't really even care that much what happens... I can at least take pleasure in voting right even if we lose today.

and your vote last night looked like you where trying to save Nerwen. . .
I was. She looked considerably more innocent than the reasons she were voted for or the people who voted her (the cobbler among them).

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am going to stick with my choise. . .

If I vote for Mira I would condem her to death and with atleast 1 (possibly 2) wraiths among those who has voted for her, it is not something I feel good about doing. . .Even if I do find her wraith like.

I more or less know that atleast 1 of you and Nerwen is a wraith, of the two of you I find you the least suspicous so I vote Nerwen. . .

I might be wrong, but that is life. . .You could say that this is me playing it safe by not killing of Mira, who was actually my prime suspec and you would be right. Had she not gotten those two votes, by you guys I would probably have voted for her my self.

[Aganzir]

I don't know if I should laugh or cry if Mira and you turn out to be fellows in the end.

I suppose Nerwen is going to die, then... As Lari seemed to consider Mira innocent and Mac won't surely vote for her.
The only thing I really don't like about this all is that Mac was left alive for so long, everyone (including myself) always said we can lynch him later if the wolves don't take him first, and now he's probably getting just what he wanted. :rolleyes:

[Lariren Shadow]

Back from my day of running around and I've now being guided through the ages of history by the spirit of eternity. Yay cult like honor society inductions!

Night protections(for clearification):
1: Brinn
2: Fea
3: Mac
4: No one my bad
5: Mac
6: Agan
7: Mira

As for all of the looking: I don't really know how to feel about Agan or Nerwen or Rune. Which area who I think are the possible three together. I'm more inclinded to think that Agan might be slightly more innocent out of the three of them. I just really can't read that much more into things. And, not going to lie, I'm tired.

[Aganzir]

Okay thanks. Your lists were just a bit, err, incoherent. :p

edit: Actually it would have been better, though, if you hadn't told who you protected last night... Now if Mira is not a wolf & survives, the wolves know who will not be protected. But I don't think that's very dangerous as she seems like the most credible wolf candidate to me.

[Macalaure]

Nerwen, yesterDay

Wonders why Legate had been killed, thought the wraiths would be trying to frame him yesterDay. Why? Legate was against lynching Lily. Wonders why Lari revealed and doubts her claim a little.
Cautions people against random voting. Agrees with me that the real ranger, if existent, should remain quiet. Accuses me of randomness, backs off at first, but is rather annoyed at my vote then.
Keeps on doubting Lari, thinks Agan is innocent because of Legate's death and her behaviour towards me, accuses Rune of dismissing Lari's claim and Durelin-voting, Miri of being sneaky now and then, has a bunch of things against Menel, thinks the wraiths at least think I'm the cobbler, agrees with my evaluation of Beregond. She also wonders whether wraiths and cobbler know each other.
She misunderstands (or acts like it) why I voted for her. It's strange that she does not show the same indignation over Menel's vote. She'd like to vote for either him or me and then inquires about Miri and then votes Menel.

I don't understand why the wraiths should have tried to frame Legate, that's a rather complicated thought. Her continued doubting of Lari's claim while criticising Rune of the same is strange. Her vote for Menel is not as knee-jerk as I thought it was before.

In fact, she looks fairly innocent, not even cobblerish. I take it all back.

Of course, this means that Mirandir would have to be something. I suspected her of cobblery before...


Rune, yesterDay

Explains a lot about his vote the Day before, maybe a bit too much. too often have I been part of lynching players like Menel and only very few times have they been anything else than ordos. *coughdurelincough*

Says he wants to look at the votes and thinks we should broaden our view. Of course, with a broad view and possibly votes for a multitude of people, the votes of the wraiths become more powerful. Concludes out of nowhere that Legate was killed because he was dangerous. The way Legate suspected people makes me disagree with this. Note that Legate did not suspect Rune.
He also thinks I was left alive to confuse. He connects the deaths of Rikae and Legate to justify suspicions of Miri. Wonders why Lari revealed but later agrees with Beregond that it did make sense. Votes Mirandir.

His first post yesterDay irks me, he explains everything in a lot of detail although nobody asked him. He said a couple of suspicious things and then concludes that thing about Legate without any reason.

He's suspicious enough for me.

[Aganzir]

Ooh Uncle Bill did you come to entertain me again?

You're flip-flopping.

[Aganzir]

Does Mac refuse to respond to me if I call him Bill? :(

[Macalaure]

(all quotes by Aganzir, as if that would surprise anybody :rolleyes:)

Ever since Brinn & sally died, they have killed loud / dangerous players.
True, but even before they chose between extremes (Shasta, Nogrod).


Agan's analysis of Nerwen and Rune is nice, but, unfortunately, crooked. Examples:

Both of their interaction with the known wolves is very innocentish. Also, they both expressed at least some unease about Mira, Mac, sally and Brinn.
"Some unease" is not innocent-ish, it's the sign of a wraith keeping a fellow in the middle.

I find his attack against Nerwen weak, especially as it somehow seems to be based on her Mira suspicions.
Why do you say that it's based on Miri? I told you it is not so and I never stated anything in this direction anywhere. Just because I commented on Nerwen after her vote? That's ridiculous! You're making things up to make them suit you.

Neither Nerwen, Rune, nor me is suspected enough to be lynched without any questions arising, so the wolves might have figured it's best to let go of Mira and give the other better chances of winning.
That argument hurts. With at least four people unlikely to vote Miri (Lari, me, Miri herself and the supposed second wraith), it would be reasonably easy to introduce an alternative, get him/her lynched and bring the win home.

I admit one reason that contributed to the strengthening of my suspicion against her is that I trust Mac's judgement.
So you think I'm the cobbler but you don't believe that everything I say is a bloody lie? Alriiight... ;)

You're flip-flopping.
No, I'm changing my opinion. Ordos do that. Only wraiths have as much certainty as you do.

Does Mac refuse to respond to me if I call him Bill?
May I call you Khamulia in turn? :p

[Aganzir]

"Some unease" is not innocent-ish, it's the sign of a wraith keeping a fellow in the middle.
I should probably have said that the known wolves' interaction with them is innocentish if it makes more sense that way.

Why do you say that it's based on Miri? I told you it is not so and I never stated anything in this direction anywhere. Just because I commented on Nerwen after her vote? That's ridiculous! You're making things up to make them suit you.
That's how it comes across.

That argument hurts. With at least four people unlikely to vote Miri (Lari, me, Miri herself and the supposed second wraith), it would be reasonably easy to introduce an alternative, get him/her lynched and bring the win home.
I'm not so sure I agree but whatever.

So you think I'm the cobbler but you don't believe that everything I say is a bloody lie? Alriiight...
Hey you're evil. :p

May I call you Khamulia in turn?
No but if you definitely want to have a nickname for me, what about Ms Aggins? But I can call you Barney Ferny or simply Bill then. :p

So which one of your suspects/non-suspects are you planning to vote Billy? :p

[Aganzir]

I'm rather tired so I'll probably go to sleep soon.

[Macalaure]

The Aggins comment can only mean two things:

You (and Nerwen) are wraiths that think I'm Ferny and that are impatiently waiting for my vote to seal your victory.

You are an innocent that thinks I'm a clueless cobbler and you're trying to trick me into voting for a wraith instead of against one.

[Aganzir]

Would you like to vote for Mira? :)

[Macalaure]

Give me a reason to.

[Aganzir]

Macalaure, Brinniel, Greenie, Rikae, no one, me, Khamûl.

[Macalaure]

Couldn't you have been a bit plainer before. :rolleyes: ;)

++Mirandir

[Aganzir]

And if you had posted earlier, I wouldn't sit here at 6 am, my heart racing. :rolleyes:;)

[Macalaure]

*hug*

And I just noticed, this game ranks third in post count, only DWII and The Republic got more. I think Kitanna is pleased. :)

[Aganzir]

*hugs back*

:D

Well given that sally and Rikae made together almost 300 posts... :D

Anyway I thought you had figured us out and didn't need any special confirmation anymore. I was just waiting for you to come and jump in the bandwagon and you can imagine my frustration when you didn't! I've been complaining about it to Brinn and sally on MSN for hours! :p

Hmm I suppose the game hasn't quite ended yet... It'll be 3-2 after today, but even if Lari made a succesful save, we would outvote the village tomorrow.

[Lariren Shadow]

Well, this is me, voting

++Nerwen

and going to be. Mostly because I think she is guilty more than I think Miri is.

[Aganzir]

Mostly because I think she is guilty more than I think Miri is.
Possible. :)

[Lariren Shadow]

...if Agan is telling the truth then I KNEW IT! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[Aganzir]

...if Agan is telling the truth then I KNEW IT! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad:
I figured we'd get caught sooner or later. ;) I'm not sorry it didn't happen sooner, though.

[Macalaure]

Anyway I thought you had figured us out and didn't need any special confirmation anymore. I was just waiting for you to come and jump in the bandwagon and you can imagine my frustration when you didn't! I've been complaining about it to Brinn and sally on MSN for hours!

Haha!

I can be pretty slow-witted if I want to. :rolleyes: You knew my suggestions - how could you possibly have expected that I would figure it out by myself? ;)

I was quite a bit paranoid about you and thought it absolutely possible that you'd be an innocent trying to trick me. Rikae said that, if she was still alive and had figured me out, she would have done just that.

Also, I thought Rune was guilty and Nerwen innocent for the last few Days. :rolleyes:


Oh, and that missed suggestion was really stupid. I've been pondering it all day and then woke up the next day and realised that I forgot to send anything...

[Aganzir]

I was quite a bit paranoid about you and thought it absolutely possible that you'd be an innocent trying to trick me. Rikae said that, if she was still alive and had figured me out, she would have done just that.
So... you mean you didn't pay any attention to me carefully trying to mention what we had received each night in my first post the following day? :p If I had been innocent, I might've tried to trick you (because I was inclined to believe you were the cobbler even before I was turned & learnt who you had suggested), so you're right. But still, I thought I was being rather obvious. Lommy thought so too and whined about being dead.

Also, I thought Rune was guilty and Nerwen innocent for the last few Days.
That occurred to me and I tried to steer you to the right path. I'm still not sure if your attack against Nerwen today was intended to get her lynched or make Mira look bad. :p

Oh, and that missed suggestion was really stupid. I've been pondering it all day and then woke up the next day and realised that I forgot to send anything...
I thought you imagined we'd kill you and didn't bother to send us one.

Also, I felt quite bad for you when you tried to hint that yes maybe the cobbler only sent them the names of ordos if not of wolves themselves. I just didn't think I could afford to be any more transparent.

[Mirandir]

Well it looks like the jig is pretty much up. :rolleyes: Congrats on the win guys, you deserve it! And just for kicks so it's all official and whatnot...

++Mirandir

Yeeeah, voting for myself. I'm just awesome like that. :p

P.S. Lari and I request fantastic death scenes. :D

[Macalaure]

So... you mean you didn't pay any attention to me carefully trying to mention what we had received each night in my first post the following day?
Oh dear. :D

I'm completely ignorant to hints like that, even when I try to look for them. That's why, when I hinted myself on Day1, I was so horribly obvious. :D

I'm still not sure if your attack against Nerwen today was intended to get her lynched or make Mira look bad.
I decided to play with open cards toDay, so, yes, my suspicions of Nerwen were honest - as was me backing off from her (which is why I was extra-suspicious of your reveal - I just didn't think she was your partner). Coming into the day, I had absolutely no idea who the wraiths could be. I only was certain two times during this game: when I thought Lommy was a wraith early on and when I thought Legate was Frodo. :rolleyes:

Also, I felt quite bad for you when you tried to hint that yes maybe the cobbler only sent them the names of ordos if not of wolves themselves.
*grin*

I'm really bad at spotting gifteds, even as a wolf, but I had no idea that I'm that bad at it.

[Macalaure]

I'm still kind of proud of getting 12 votes in 3 days and surviving. :)

[Aganzir]

Aww thanks Mira! :)

(I said the Black Breath drives people crazy!)

Oh dear.
:rolleyes::D
Well no wonder you weren't as enthusiastic as I had thought you to be today.

which is why I was extra-suspicious of your reveal - I just didn't think she was your partner
And we were optimistic and thought you wanted to tell you had found us both or needed a confirmation or something when we got her name last night!
Gah I was all the time reassuring Nerwen that yeah, I'm rather sure he knows at least about me etc...

Coming into the day, I had absolutely no idea who the wraiths could be.
When did you actually realise I was a wolf?

And don't worry, I didn't catch Lommy either. And although I did see Lari's Sagittarius comment but interpreted it completely the wrong way.

Anyway it's about 24 hours since I sat here, dead tired, PMing with Nerwen, which means I might want to go to sleep now. Good night bunnies.

[Kitanna]

Time.. Mira's death is soon and as soon as the wraiths confirm their last kill the final death scene.

[Kitanna]

Mirandir's turn had come. She threw in the towel knowing her death would seal victory for the wraiths, they needed only to kill the ranger and they had Bree under Sauron's control. Mira reluctantly decided to sacrifice herself. It would be easier this way then living in a town controlled by wraiths.

“But make it swift.”

The wraiths with Bill Ferny approached Mira with hate in their eyes. Rune hung back, hoping to avoid murder now that Bree was doomed. Annoyed at the turn of events and in an effort to save Mira from death Lari revealed herself as Strider. No one expected such a feminine Strider, but there she was.

“Don't you touch, Mira! I will kill the whole lot of you!” Lari drew her sword and stood between Mira and the wraiths.

“Foolish ranger, your broken little sword can't stop us.” Nerwen laughed silently. “Surrender to your fate.”

Lari screamed and jumped for Nerwen. The wraith caught the ranger by the neck and began to choke the life out of her. As Nerwen did so, Aganzir fell upon Mira. The wraith struggled with the frightened villager. When she had her pinned she beckoned for Mac's aid, he brought along Agan's tanning equipment. The tanner worked on skinning Mira, eventually her skin would make a lovely rug for the Dark Lord. Meanwhile all the air in Lair's lungs had been squeezed out and Nerwen had begun working on her ventriloquist routine. Mac stood by enjoying his cobbler victory.

Rune, being the final survivor, was half way to the Shire before the wraiths knew he was missing, but they cared little.

Living
Aganzir
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Macalaure

Dead
Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc – Eaten by a bear Night 7 (innocent)
Meneltarmacil – Impossible liver explosion Day 7 (innocent)
Beregond – Beheaded and put on display Night 8 (innocent)
Mirandir – Skinned and made into a rug Day 8 (innocent)
Lariren Shadow – Choked to death and made into a puppet Night 9 (Strider)

Wraith victory

[Aganzir]

First, two things clear.

I said on day 1 I would like to be turned if I was Frodo. That was true, but it had nothing to do with how I played. I was completely on the village's side until I was turned. However, it was clear to me from the beginning that I was not going to reveal unless I absolutely had to. I was sort of a hunter twice in a row before this game, and I revealed both times. I had by now got an overdose of being a known innocent who just wouldn't be killed.

Also, I was turned the same day my school ended. I am still more inclined to think possible chances in my behaviour, whether compared to previous games or the earlier days in this one, were more due to that.

**

Anyway, thanks for an awesome game, Kit and others! It's a while since I have enjoyed playing this much. And special thanks to my lovely packmates. I was so frustrated when Lommy revealed two of them right after I had learnt their names! And although Mac wasn't sure about us, at least we could be sure about him, which was a good thing. It would've been rather annoying to accidentally kill our cobbler (yet I think I would have encouraged keeping him alive so the paranoid village could have lynched him in the end even if we hadn't had a reason to assume he was Ferny).

All the newbies played really well. And Lari, I can but sympathize - it's much easier to be a wolf than an innocent, not to mention a gifted. Looking forward to playing with you all again.

Sorry Greenie & Menel. :p I'd rather we had lynched someone else than Greenie that day because then I could have continued my case against her and Legate later. And as for Menel, I came online before 7am just to notice you were actually trying to lynch Nerwen based on her day 1 vote. I don't think I would've liked the reasons much even if she hadn't been my fellow, but now I simply needed to get someone else lynched.

Killing Rikae was completely my own decision as Nerwen was away. I thought she could be the ranger looking as weird (and also cobblerish) as possible, hoping we would ignore her. My main reasons were, though, that it would somewhat help frame Legate & Mira, and that she seemed to be so sure of Mac's guilt. I didn't want him to be lynched.

I was amused by people speculating that we killed Legate because he was dangerous. As a matter of fact, we had been thinking about killing either Berry, Rune, or Mira, but then I went to look how people had reacted to Lommy's reveal in order to find the ranger, and Legate seemed like the most promising choice. We sent the name to Kit like 15 minutes before the day was supposed to start.

After Lari's reveal we PMed Kit about her ability to protect herself and learnt she could do that once during the game. That's why we didn't kill her - we didn't even want to risk missing a kill. We considered Mira or Berry and decided to go for him.

I must say that Lari's reveal messed our plans pretty nicely. Also, the last day was really bad on my part. I just somehow totally ignored the effect both Nerwen and me voting for Mira would have on Rune. I.. didn't think someone else could have voted for her as well, I was just waiting for Mac (which was actually our plan B). I thought he wanted me to vote first, just to be sure. Appears he wasn't sure even about me. :p

**

Yeah, I can't put my finger on it, but somehow Agan's words have a ring of truth...
Of course you can't, it's mine. :p

[Brinniel]

Yay, I'm so glad we won! Once Sally and me were dead, we began chatting with one another speculating about the game and cheering our packmates on. It made being dead a bit better than it is normally.

I must admit being a wraith wasn't exactly a role of preference. Simply because even though Fea's game was months ago, I had a bad feeling people would suspect me simply because of my once-in-a-lifetime performance and that the seer would dream of me early on (which sucks since I have never spotted a gifted). Of course, I put that aside and did the best I could, hoping to survive longer than I did. My first Day performance was crap, for a variety of reasons...mostly I just let my emotions and stress get the better of me. My final Night, I pretty much almost knew I would be revealed and so we made a plan to counter-reveal. Obviously, that was a stupid idea; I would've had much more fun if I had done what Sally and act silly. I try to justify my actions by thinking at least I distracted the village for a Day with two seers...but I don't actually think it made much difference. Overall, it was a lousy performance and I hope to do a bit better for my team next time.

I did enjoy the game, even after my death, as it was fun to watch. Thanks to Sally who brought me much amusement on her final Day. She promised to entertain me, and that she did. :D Nerwen remained our steady wraith throughout the game. All the way until the end she remained as sneaky as ever. I was so relieved when I discovered Aganzir was Frodo, though I'm sad I never got to actually play with her. She did me proud, however, being her manipulative self. :p The poor girl messaged me on the final Day saying she couldn't sleep she was so anxious waiting for Mac to vote. I couldn't do much to help being dead and all, plus I was feeling anxious too. I think she finally did go to bed around 7am...

Mac, you were an excellent cobbler even if you couldn't guess who we were. Being the runner-up lynch candidate for several Days, then a known innocent really helped us out. Lommy, I was so mad when I realised you were most probably the seer...especially since I did want to kill you on Night 2. But good work, since you were the only one to catch any wraiths, as I predicted. Lari, when I was informed after my death that you were the ranger, I was rather surprised. Good work.

And thanks to Kitanna who made a lovely game with an awesome theme.

Btw, I can't believe how much I told the truth in this game. You all thought my Frodo comments were some sort of hint, but it was my honest opinion on the situation. I always give my honest opinion on strategies on Day 1, and usually get suspected for it. But even remained fairly truthful, particularly in my final posts:

Are you really so sure Mac is innocent? I'd take a second look at him. I'm least trusting of Aganzir and Nerwen, particularly for their bandwagoning toDay. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them are wraiths.
But really guys, do you always have to let the seer do all the work for you? You blindly lynched innocents and couldn't manage to lynch a single wraith until the seer revealed. Lucky for you. But without a seer to do your dirty work, you are all just hopeless. Let's just see how well you do once she is dead.
(A rather harsh comment from me, I admit...but hey, I was about to get lynched...)
Just wait for Sally's final act. She has a whole extra Day and I know she'll do me proud.
On a more serious note, the reason I'm exposing myself now is because I want to let you know in advance that my outburst on Day 1 wasn't any sort of evil scheme of mine. I was honestly offended by some comments and spun a bit out of control...it has absolutely nothing to do with my role or the game itself, and I felt really bad about it afterwards. I would really hate to be lynched having you guys think I was unsporty.

Now that that's out of the way, I don't understand why you all think I make such a brilliant wolf. I'm really quite crappy at it...if you don't believe me, take a look at my past games. The only one I've played exceptionally well was Fea's and a lot of that was dumb luck. But otherwise, I'm really horrible, no joke! I never make the right kill and my ploys never work. So stop calling me a scary baddie or whatever, because if you think that, you're just not trying hard enough. I've never been right about a gifted until this game...I actually wanted to kill Lommy on Night 2 and Sally said no. I'm not that stupid; I was almost positive she was the seer but I wasn't going to risk the chance she may be protected or I might be wrong, and since killing her would incriminate me and Sally, why not brave it out? And it was a good choice since instead we found our Frodo. I actually have to give my fellow credit for the kill choice. I didn't want to kill Greenie, but they insisted for two Nights, so I gave in. Good thing I did.
This was all honest except I replaced Agan with Greenie. Though I almost considered not replacing the name at all...
Oh, c'mon Nerwen, you know you want to confess too. It's fun.
Oh btw, you might want another look at Mac. I know the seer dreamt him innocent and all, but...
Boy was that fun. I would've done it earlier, but I promised Sally I would do everything I can to get her lynched.
Seeee? If only you guys just listened to me.... :rolleyes:

I'll post our PMs later, but I have to go edit a project shortly...

[Meneltarmacil]

I still don't understand what made me so evil on the day I was lynched...

Oh, well. Great game!

[satansaloser2005]

satansaloser2005 141
Rikae 133
Aganzir 115
Legate of Amon Lanc 81
Macalaure 77
Lariren Shadow 67
Rune Son of Bjarne 62
Beregond 61
Nerwen 61
Brinniel 56
Mirandir 47
Thinlómien 46
Feanor of the Peredhil 36
Gollum the Great 30
A Little Green 29
Meneltarmacil 28
Kitanna 27
Nogrod 25
Durelin 13
Shastanis Althreduin 7



My computer's being a bum right now so I'll be back later, but that made me giggle. For now, nice game, everyone! See you again hopefully very soon!

~~Sally~~

[Kitanna]

Great job everyone!

Lommy- Excellent seering. The game may have ended sooner if you hadn't pegged two wraiths, plus you got Bill and Strider in your dreams.

Wraiths- Great job. I wouldn't have suspected you guys until it was too late.

Mac, Agan, and Lommy- I'm glad I chose right and gave you the roles you wanted.

Mirandir and Beregond- Great job as newbies. I don't know if I've ever seen two new players last as long as you both did. Very well done, hopefully I can play a game with you two in the future.

Sally and Rikae- Next time you two decide to have a post war I'll throw you both in a cage and let you settle it that way.

To everyone else, I'm so glad there was so much interest in my game. I haven't modded for over three years and this was a great group and game to mod.

[Rikae]

Of course you can't, it's mine. :p

Oh yeah. I can't even remember what made me think you were Frodo on day One anymore, but I'm making a mental note to go with my first instincts from now on (especially since I suspected Brinn, Mac and Nerwen on Day 1, too, and then talked myself out of it :rolleyes:).

Well, good game, everybody. And, for the record, I'm not ashamed of losing the post count war, since toward the end there I slowed down in an attempt to actually help the village. At least Agan heeded my warnings (incidentally, Agan, it was that "too bad nobody listened to Rikae about the cobbler" comment on the last day that convinced me you were evil for sure. Grrr....)

[Macalaure]

Thank you Kitanna for an amazing game! You definitely did choose the roles well.

Congrats especially to Lommy. Without your dreams, the village might have gone down with four wraiths alive.

Well no wonder you weren't as enthusiastic as I had thought you to be today.

I was quite nervous, in fact, because I didn't know what to do and knew I couldn't go the convenient way of self-voting. I then decided no longer to avoid you and attack you instead - I would either somehow find out you're a wraith or at least distract the innocent you severely. ;)

And we were optimistic and thought you wanted to tell you had found us both or needed a confirmation or something when we got her name last night!

Nope. When I sent in your and Nerwen's names I seriously thought you two would be good wraith-kills. :D

When did you actually realise I was a wolf?

When you talked about the ranger and then evaded my comments on it. That, and a couple of other minor things I don't remember right now. You really acted very innocent before, but on the last day you were uncautious.

Overall, it was a lousy performance and I hope to do a bit better for my team next time.

Aww, come on. If you hadn't been dreamt of, I'm sure you would have still been there on the last day. After the first day, only very few people were suspcious of you. You did well!

Mac, you were an excellent cobbler even if you couldn't guess who we were. Being the runner-up lynch candidate for several Days, then a known innocent really helped us out.

Thanks. Good to know I was helpful after all. Actually, I think the fact that I was busy mostly with defending myself the first three days caused me to not have any idea later on. I was a bit out of the actual game and didn't really catch on again until short before the final deadline.

I still don't understand what made me so evil on the day I was lynched...

Nothing. You just "accidentally" stepped on the foot of the wrong person.


(quotes from the other thread: )

(may I know though, why did you think I am Frodo?)

Your sudden insistence that I was innocent. I thought you were going to defend me from a supposed wraithish set-up afterwards.

I must say, by saying that you are a known innocent and emphasising it all the time, I hoped also that the Wraiths might possibly be persuaded to think so as well and kill you at Night, which would be quite helpful and no real loss for us.

But you yourself made a big point out of the fact that if I was the cobbler the wraiths would know for sure on Day1. ;)

Well, Mac, good for you: I didn't figure you out until the end of the day the village killed me.

That was quite entertaining, actually. I was very sure that you weren't a wraith, and considered exploiting the suspicions against you, but then I decided that the village was mad enough to lynch you without my assistence, too, and I could instead make cases against your voters the next Day.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Posting here as I personally prefer everything to be found in the same thread.

So why did you start to post on a different thread? :p

I started on the admin thread, because I generally prefer that in-game things are on the game thread and others are on the other. Well, here it does not make that much difference, or not that strongly, but you know, it just looks more "neat" if there is this "story" ended by the final narration, and the after-game discussion is located elsewhere, also so that the end is easily accessible (for example for people who make some statistics later and wish just to see who won and who lost and don't wish to look through pages of after-discussion to find the final narration). But whatever.

Aww, come on. If you hadn't been dreamt of, I'm sure you would have still been there on the last day. After the first day, only very few people were suspcious of you. You did well!
Yep, exactly. I think there was not really any strong suspicion against you, not strong enough for lynching you, had it not been for Lommy's reveal.

Your sudden insistence that I was innocent. I thought you were going to defend me from a supposed wraithish set-up afterwards.
As you see, nope. My intent was merely the hope to really ignore you, and if possible, even to the point that the Wolves themselves will become annyoed by it and kill you.

But you yourself made a big point out of the fact that if I was the cobbler the wraiths would know for sure on Day1.
Well, I was acting in the vain hope that if the Wolves were newbies, they could do that. And again, if they did, it would say something about their identity.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I joined in order to redeem my self. . .but, I am not sure I did so.

The only thing I really regret doing in this game was voting for Greenie, but kudos to Aganzir for saying the right things and making me get over eager.

I got sick during this game and it really ruined alot of the fun for me, when I got better I had completely lost touch with the game and it was like starting all over again.

Nerwen did good.

[Aganzir]

I'm sad I never got to actually play with her.
Me too! I loved being a wolf with you the one time we were on the same team.

The poor girl messaged me on the final Day saying she couldn't sleep she was so anxious waiting for Mac to vote.
Yeah... I was terribly afraid both Mira & Lari would come and vote for Nerwen before Mac came. I was really tired but I knew I wouldn't be able to sleep as long as I didn't know how the game would turn out. A good thing I didn't go, who knows what would have happened? :p

I still don't understand what made me so evil on the day I was lynched...
The fact that you tried to lynch my fellow. ;) Poor lad. Sorry.
But Menel you were scarily right. I was like heck when I saw your points against Nerwen, I just knew someone would bring up her day 1 vote at some point. And I would never have realised what Lari meant with her Sagittarius comment.

incidentally, Agan, it was that "too bad nobody listened to Rikae about the cobbler" comment on the last day that convinced me you were evil for sure. Grrr....
Oh I forgot to mention the most important reason you were killed. I wanted to leave hints for Mac and couldn't afford to keep you alive. I assure, had you been alive I would've been much more careful. ;)
And actually that comment was perfectly honest. I realised only in the night when Nerwen said it that the village would lose if they lynched Mac then. I had really forgotten about it.

I then decided no longer to avoid you and attack you instead - I would either somehow find out you're a wraith or at least distract the innocent you severely.
I don't think I would have been as keen on chatting with you if I had been innocent. Anyway first I had no idea what you were doing when you started suspecting Nerwen and me on the final day (and I said it aloud). Then I thought you were doing it on purpose and figured I could use it to defend us & accuse Mira. However only when you started replying to my comments after I had voted for Mira did it occur to me that you were not certain about me, either.

Nope. When I sent in your and Nerwen's names I seriously thought you two would be good wraith-kills.
When I said Face it: you're not going to get me killed, it was your suggestion, not your case, that I was referring to. :P

When you talked about the ranger and then evaded my comments on it. That, and a couple of other minor things I don't remember right now. You really acted very innocent before, but on the last day you were uncautious.
I didn't bother to try to look innocent then anymore. I just wanted you to vote. And really, I wasn't suggesting you to come out as the ranger or anything, it was just a normal thing I said and I didn't understand why you read so much into it.

So why did you start to post on a different thread?
Everything meaning both the game and the afterthread, not sign-ups.

The only thing I really regret doing in this game was voting for Greenie, but kudos to Aganzir for saying the right things and making me get over eager.
Sorry. :P The funny thing is, I would've been more than alright with her surviving another day.

[Brinniel]

Aww, come on. If you hadn't been dreamt of, I'm sure you would have still been there on the last day.
Yes, but the whole key to being a wolf is to avoid being dreamt of. ;) When I think about it now, after Day 1, me being a dream is not all that surprising. Too bad I didn't think about it at the time. :rolleyes: I did work hard to redeem myself the following Days and Night...and I think I did up until when Lommy revealed.

PMs coming as promised...

[Brinniel]

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Your role is Wraith!

Along with Nerwen and satansaloser2005 you're to cause chaos and disarray among the villagers. Remember also that you have an unidentified informer on your side who may be of some use.

Best of luck.

Mistresses Nerwen and Brinniel:

Through fortune most divine we find ourselves bound to the task of decimating (figuratively, not literally) the innocent villagers who find themselves in our proximity.

Aka we're packmates! Let's kick some village butt!


Look forward to hearing from you lovely ladies, but for now I'm off to clean my room and then go to bed. Paper to write tomorrow, after all. See you soon!

Oh boy, I'm a WW again? Wow, I think in the less than two years I've been wwing, this is something like my seventh time with the role. Is that some sort of record?

Okay, my last time as a ww wasn't long ago, and I still feel like people are watching me closely. I used to sneak by for several Days right under everyone's noses and undreamt of, but I worry that may not be so anymore. So I'm gonna try to avoid playing with that same style and not be too helpful aka no long quote posts. I'll try not to post too frequently in this game either since I was less active in the last game as an ordo and was hardly suspected. Anyways, I'll do my best to remain unnoticed as I am hungry for another WW victory.

That's all from me for now. It's late and I should go to bed.

-Brinn

Greetings, packmates! It's good to be a wolf... er... wraith again.

Sally, you and I have a history of trying to lynch each other when we're both innocent... which could be a good excuse for NOT doing it this time: "...the trouble is, I always think she's guilty... and I've always been wrong...*sigh*"

And Brinn– yes, you'd better avoid long quote-posts.

~Nerwraith.

P.S. Did you notice we're all wraith-hobbits?

Heh, don't worry. I'm sure we'll be fine, kiddo.

In other news, less than 15 minutes until game start. Let's show this village what we can do, okay, ladies?

*wishes you luck and hands out cookies for munching and mace to ward off potential lynchers*

Talk to you again some nightfall~!

~~Sally~~

P.S. I'll probably be really quiet toDay. Plan on staying up most of the night to work on a paper, and consequently I'll be dead most of tomorrow.

[Brinniel]

Hi guys-

I just want to say sorry for my playing toDay, I really feel awful about it. I was frustrated with Rune and got rather heated with some of his comments (probably more than I should've...I still blame RL stress). I wasn't expecting everyone else to suddenly jump on my back, then just as quickly back off. And now I feel like I've sunk to a new level with my frustration and "I'm sorry" posts. I feel like an awful baddie using my emotions to manipulate innocents (I worry they'll all later hate me for it), even though my frustrations were completely honest. Actually, almost everything I said toDay was fairly honest...even the whole thing about Frodo. At one point I even forgot I was evil and Nerwen was too. On Day One I often say what I'd exactly say if I were innocent, and I always get suspected for it. How odd is that.

Alright, enough with that and onto business. I actually don't want to seek out Frodo, contrary to everyone's beliefs. Sure it'd be nice to have an extra wolf, but that's not the priority. Our priority should be finding the seer and avoiding the ranger. What do you guys think?

I have plenty of time to sleep and relax the next three Days, so my head should be clearer soon.

Okay, I'm really off to my bath this time.

Later,
Brinn

Brinn, you don't need to apologize. The way Rune jumped on you was completely unfair and irrational! Fea and Gollum's votes likewise. Sure, you actually are evil, but it's the principle of the thing.
Actually, almost everything I said toDay was fairly honest...even the whole thing about Frodo. At one point I even forgot I was evil and Nerwen was too.
I thought as much. If you're referring to what I think you are, I was just trying to set things up so we can sacrifice you if need be. I wouldn't worry too much, though. A lot of people acted suspiciously.
Alright, enough with that and onto business. I actually don't want to seek out Frodo, contrary to everyone's beliefs. Sure it'd be nice to have an extra wolf, but that's not the priority. Our priority should be finding the seer and avoiding the ranger. What do you guys think?
Absolutely... but do you have any ideas? All too many people dropped Seer-hints. See Beregond at #49, Mirandir at #51, Fea at #80, Shasta at everywhere. Then, too, Rikae said, out of the blue, that she found me suspicious (#94)... and it could always be Rune, I suppose.

I think our best bets are Beregond and Fea, though.

~Nerwraith.

Brinn, you don't need to apologize. The way Rune jumped on you was completely unfair and irrational! Fea and Gollum's votes likewise. Sure, you actually are evil, but it's the principle of the thing.
I'm glad you see it that way because that's exactly how I felt. It's one thing to be suspected for a vote or unreasonable suspicion...but I felt they had no grounds to suspect me! I'd say it's quite wolfish behaviour if I didn't know they were innocent. I'm glad I didn't end up a Fenris Wolf for such silly reasons. It's a quite frustrating situation to be in when you do happen to be guilty...because suddenly they seem justified for suspecting you.
If you're referring to what I think you are, I was just trying to set things up so we can sacrifice you if need be.
I'm no longer sure what I'm referring to... I think it partly had to do with the argument I had with Rikae. But yes, I have no problem with you sacrificing me if need be. And the more scuffles we have with one another, the less likely we'll be connected as wolves.

At this point, I'm pretty doubtful I'll make it all the way to the end, but we'll see...after all, I doubted myself in Fea's game too. But if I ever look doomed to be lynched with no chance of being saved and the seer hasn't been revealed yet, I think I might just claim seership just so I can draw out the real seer for my big finish. Maybe I'll even drop seer hints from now on, just in case.
Absolutely... but do you have any ideas? All too many people dropped Seer-hints. See Beregond at #49, Mirandir at #51, Fea at #80, Shasta at everywhere. Then, too, Rikae said, out of the blue, that she found me suspicious (#94)... and it could always be Rune, I suppose.
The question is, would the real seer have dropped seer hints already? As far as I know, there has been no dream yet...Kitanna never indicated there would be.

I'm about ready to collapse from exhaustion now, but I'll look at everyone more closely tomorrow. I'm curious to see what name the informer gives us...

Night,
Brinn

The question is, would the real seer have dropped seer hints already? As far as I know, there has been no dream yet...Kitanna never indicated there would be.
I'll ask her. The only reason for the Seer to leave hints in that case is as insurance against getting lynched later on– and those kind are likely to be pretty subtle. Besides, many people don't bother. I don't we'd be able to pick the Seer this early, then.

So, do we try and get Frodo instead? Or frame someone? Or just dispose of a dangerous player?

My fellow wraiths–

I got the following message from Kit:
Butterbur did get a dream for Night 1.

Also Bill Ferny suggests Mac as your kill for the Night.

~Kit
So it is him! I thought it had to be, what with that weird hint plus his unwillingness to suspect anyone, but it's nice to know.

Anyway... back to looking for Seer-hints. As I said, I think Beregond or Fea are the mostly likely.

~Nerwraith.

Okay, I never expected a Night 1 dream...it was never indicated. The good news about that is maybe the innocents were thinking the same thing and won't look for a first Night dream...at least until someone asks the mod.

Yes, our cobbler must be Mac. Because if it wasn't him, the cobbler would be awfully foolish to suggest his name after he gave that hint. Which makes me glad I helped save him.

Okay, I'll take a look at everyone for possible kills.

-Brinn

Going through the list:

Menel: Was a seer fairly recently and he didn't give much in way of hints. However I think he looks rather ordoish now and I don't want to kill him because as I said, he dies too early.

Greenie: She's comments a couple times about her unfamiliarity with the RB role...which makes me wonder if she's just pretending and actually has that role. But then again there was a lot of Frodo discussion going on. (Btw, I doubt Frodo would intentionally hint at us, but he could slip)

Durelin: Spent the first couple posts playing a ranger. Someone (I think it might've been Rikae) tried to almost hint at her possibly being gifted...which I think was meant to throw us off. But I know Dury was playing in-character, so it has little meaning. She'd be a safe kill.

Fea: I really hope she's not the seer for the sake of us all, because if she is she's either dreamt of me or will soon. I don't think she's been ordo for awhile, so I hope she is. Either way, it's too dangerous to kill her now as her death could point to both Sally and me.

Shasta: Gives a lot of seer hints, but that's his role. Wasn't very active toDay besides his banter posts. I want to wait and see more of his participation level in the coming Days. I know Shasta would love the role of seer and I think he'd be more involved if he were one.

Rune: Oh, I'd love to kill him, but that'd certainly look bad on my part. He's always suspicious of me no matter what and most likely will continue to be, so it's hard to tell if there's actually any seer basis in there. While I'd like to see him killed at some point, tonNight is not the Night.

Lommy: I don't think she looks particularly seerish, but I also wouldn't mind killing her. She's an easy kill, and I doubt the ranger is protecting her.

Nogrod: He's the one to suggest that Frodo reveal...it wouldn't surprise me if that role turned out to be him! But I just can't see him get killed toNight at least...I don't think Noggie will forgive me if I did.

Lariren: Nothing about her stands out as seerish. Could be a safe kill, though.

Aganzir: Based on her list, she doesn't look like a seer who's dreamt of someone...

Mira: While a new player could easily be a wolf, I have my doubts that a mod would assign them with such an important role as seer. Anyways, I'd rather not kill her so early due to newbie status.

Beregond: see Mira

Mac: seems to be our cobbler, so obviously no

Legate: Was the quickest to catch onto Mac. Could be our seer, though I wonder how much his death would condemn Mac.

Rikae: These quotes make me wonder:
At the moment Nerwen is tripping my reindeer.... I think I'll refrain from saying more for the moment. Anyone care to make a guess?
Say, while I'm away, isn't anybody going to humor me and guess why Nerwen is diabolical, naughty, sinister and all around eeeeevil? Anybody...?
In case I don't live to see toMorrow, I'll leave you by saying I still find Nerwen and Beregond creepy.
She could either be a seer who dreamt of Nerwen, or is just bluffing. I only worry that if it's the latter, it could incriminate Nerwen and we still won't have our seer. And I wonder, are her hints too obvious?

Out of everyone, I could kill:

Greenie
Lommy
Lari
Legate
Rikae

Another question is, who is the ranger most likely to protect? Would they try to seek out a possible seer, or just choose someone who might be a safe kill?

-Brinn

Sorry, late night and then I had to work this morning/afternoon. Here now and will give you some thoughts post haste.

Stealing Brinn's list and just replacing her thoughts with mine. Yes, I am a terrible person.

Menel: I don't want to kill him off too early either, and while he didn't give hints in the last game it could have just been because he wasn't able to participate much. Just saying.

Greenie: Very possible that she's Frodo, but I'm thinking right now that she's innocent. Probably a fairly good no-trace kill though.

Durelin: As Brinn said, a safe kill. I'd probably be okay with this, and all the better if she randomly turns out to be the ring bearer.

Fea: Yeeeeah, we need her gone. But you're right, Brinn, if we kill her now it'd make us both look bad. Then again, it would almost be okay because what are the odds that we would be that obvious? Blah. I don't want to risk it, at least not toNight.

Shasta: I think he's safe to keep around, at least for the moment. Seer? I don't think so. Ringbearer? Hmmmm, actually I think it's possible, because he's talked but remained very vague and noncommital. Perhaps he's trying to make sure we don't notice him?

Rune: I think we need to get rid of him, given the effect that he had on our lovely Miss Brinn yesterDay, but I think to do it toNight is a mistake.

Lommy: I'd actually like to keep her around. I know she's a safe kill, but at the same time I think she's fairly harmless for right now. I'd at least like to give her another Day or two, but if you guys want to kill her I might go along with it.

Nogrod: I can't bring myself to kill him after last game, at least not the first Night. It'd just be too stinking cruel.

Lariren: Blah, why not? Got nothing either way on her, but at the same time she's still fairly new so it seems a bit cheap to kill her off so soon.

Aganzir: I think she's fairly harmless, but I would be okay with getting rid of her because I know she'll be able to swing things the way she needs them to be and if she does turn out to be the seer we'll be in trouble. For now, though, I'd like to keep her around.

Mira: I'm not killing a newbie the first Night. Period.

Beregond: Same as Mira.

Mac: Heh, he does seem a tad cobblery, doesn't he?

Legate: Hmmmm, well if Mac's our cobbler I don't think Legate's a good kill choice. I mean if worse comes to worse better to kill someone that would implicate Mac than to kill someone that would implicate us, but it's even better to avoid a loss altogether.

Rikae: On Nerwen like jam on toast. (Which sounds good by the way. Perhaps I'll have some in a bit.) Like Brinn, I don't know if it's just vibes or if she's really the seer, but either way it creeps me out.


I'd like to kill, in no REAL particular order:
Greenie
Durie
Legate (meh)

Other choices:
Rikae
Fea
Shasta
Lommie

Not wanting them dead, yet:
Everyone else


Up to you lovely ladies. I'll be around for the rest of the Night, so let me know your thoughts. Oh, and who wants to send in the kill? Anyway, that jam and toast (well, bagels, because that's all I have) sounds legitimitely tasty, so I'm going to go have some. See you ladies in a bit!

~~Sally~~

Some more thoughts...

Greenie: Could make for a good safe kill, but part of me feels it's almost too safe.

Durelin: Another safe kill. Though, if the ranger chooses protect a possible safe kill, I think she could be a likely candidate.

Shasta: Hmm...he wouldn't be bad for a kill. Though I don't think he's the seer. At least, I doubt he'll be protected.

Lommy: I could still go for her. I always worry that she could be gifted (same with Agan though she's been gifted a lot lately), then I'm always wrong. I'm just waiting for the day when she finally does turn up gifted.

Legate: He could possibly be gifted, but I'm not terribly worried just yet. I'd rather not make our possible cobbler look bad so early, so if we decide to kill him, let's not do it toNight.

Rikae: Gah, I'm getting seer vibes from her which probably means she isn't one...because I'm horrible at spotting one. I want to say why would a seer be so obvious, but Boro was quite the obvious seer and he still got away with it. I just wonder what Rikae would've answered if someone did ask why she thought Nerwen suspicious. If she's the seer, there's a good chance she could dream of me toNight. The problem is if we kill her, her death could point to Nerwen and to a lesser extent, me. Hmm...I say we leave her alive at least one more Day and see if she leaves anymore traces of being the possible seer. Killing her toNight just seems awful risky. Also Nerwen, maybe you should ask why she suspects you, because I'd like to know how she answers...

My two top choices for kills are Lommy and Shasta. Lommy would more likely be a seer, though I don't know how likely that is. Though the more I think about it, the more I want to kill Lommy...I don't even have a real reason why. After all, she has been easy to manipulate in the past, but then again I think she'll be much more wary after I fooled her so badly.

My other two options are Greenie and Durelin. Those feel like a lot safer kills and it might be more likely the ranger protects them, though it's hard to say for sure.

Btw, I can submit the kill if you like. I'll be here majority of the evening; I've been spending my day recovering from an exhausting week.

-Brinn

Yeah, my top two of your picks would probably be Durie and Shasta, followed by the Finn sisters. I think it's very possible that Durie could be gifted, just because she's not played in a while and Kit may have given her one of the special roles. Shasta would be a good semi-random kill, and I'm not sure the ranger would think to protect Durie because I keep completely forgetting she's in the game. Never know. Of the Finns I would prefer Greenie, as I stated earlier, because for some reason I want to keep Lommie around for a bit.

Bah. Any of those would be fine with me, really. Perhaps we should take the rather safe route toNight and go with Shasta? (I almost want to keep him around because he's amusing, but hey. Girls have gotta do what girls have gotta do, eh? )

In any case we can discuss a bit further and maybe Nerwen will show up sometime soon and stick in her shiny two cents. Until then, I must go. I sense a shiny object and I need to go chase it.

~~Sally the Magpie....erm, Wraith~~

Greetings, my fellow creatures of darkness.

These are my own guesses for the Seer:

Beregond because his post at #49 looks like newbie-Seer clumsiness (in which case his dream was probably Gollum).

Fea because I just imagine her using her reputation for attention-seeking stunts to leave a glaringly obvious clue (to Sally).

Rikae is also a possibility for the same reason. She would very likely have dreamed of me, too.

As you say, the last two do leave very obvious trails... depends on whether you think it's worth the risk of going for them now, or seeing how they act toMorrow so we can can a better idea. If it's not them, then they're both trying to draw fire from the real Seer, and have made lucky guesses.

My current guess for Frodo is Aganzir.

Out of your suggestions–

Shasta hasn't done anything much yet, but we know he can be dangerous.

Lommy is too clever by half– look how quickly she was onto Mac– however, she's come under quite a bit of suspicion herself; we might be able to get her lynched.

Or we could always lynch a non-contributor and thus frame Nogrod.

I will leave the ultimate choice up to you two, since I'm not going to be around in the next few hours.

Good luck!

~Nerwraith.

I think it's very possible that Durie could be gifted, just because she's not played in a while and Kit may have given her one of the special roles.
I don't know because Dury has been a gifted a lot, and probably for that reason. Would she be one again? Maybe...after all, I've been a ww a lot and that didn't matter to Kitanna.

I still prefer killing Lommy, but I can't support any reason why. I just do.

With Greenie we're more likely to hit the seer probably than Shasta, but then I think Shasta's less likely to be protected than Greenie. Hmm...whose death would be more confusing to the village? Probably Shasta...I wonder if the village will think we thought he was the seer...haha. (Btw, it's really weird talking about killing him as I'm IMing with Shasta right now. )

I had an interesting thought. What if Noggie is our Frodo? How clever of him to suggest that Frodo reveal when he is in fact the Ringbearer. Not that we need to kill him now...but it's something to consider.

-Brinn
Look how badly I wanted to kill Lommy...and on the Night I was dreamt of! The one time I'm right about something and I didn't go through with it. :rolleyes:

Good point about Noggie. The only problem is that if he's NOT Frodo we've killed him off and I really don't want that, at least toNight.

Heh I also am IMing with Shasta. We should kill him anyway.

Very true, Durie has been gifted a lot. Maybe Kit wouldn't put her in a position. *shrugs*

Heh well could we wait to kill Lommie until toMorrow night, mehbe? I just would rather keep her around. Again, just a feeling. Then again, I could be very wrong.

I really do think Shasta is the best choice though. Don't know, it just seems like he's the easiest guaranteed kill. (Of course now that I've said this he'll be ranger saved, but meh.)

Thoughts?

Well, like I said, I have no interest in killing Noggie toNight. But perhaps later...

Anyways, there's always the risk the the person we go after may be protected. But it's simply a risk we have to take. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope for the best.

Should I submit the kill for Shasta?

-Brinn


Just dropped in again to check–

Yes, Shasta's okay with me. As you say, he probably won't be protected (and there's at least a chance he's the Seer trying to hide in plain sight, though that doesn't seem so much his style).

Any thoughts on strategy for the coming Day? I may not be around to get your answers, though.

~Nerwraith.

Strategy-wise, I don't have much in ideas. Just don't be surprised if I slightly suspect you both...that's how I roll.

I was thinking about dropping seer hints, but if the seer already had a dream, that sorta messes up my plan...

-Brinn

It night, in fact, be necessary for you (Brinn) and I to have a bit of an argument after the way things went last night... but be careful that it doesn't *look* staged. You know how dangerous that is.

Also– if other people latch onto your suspicions and one of us gets into trouble, don't make the mistake of suddenly trying to save her.

And yes, drop a few Seer hints, but keep them subtle. It might be useful later on.

Again, good luck, my fellow-wraiths!

~Nerwraith.

[Brinniel]

Woah, toDay went really weird. And the village did it without any of our help.

I set myself up in case I have to fake reveal at some point (though I'm looking less suspicious so I might not need to...we'll see). Durelin and Noggie were meant to be my dreams (and Lommy as an alternate). Though I might've screwed it up by voting Fea instead of Mac. Of course, I x-posted a lot so I really had no idea Dury would end up with so many votes. Though I sorta worry that people will find me not voting Mac to be suspicious...especially once he's revealed as evil. I don't know...I think I'm over-analysing things again..

Just gonna throw out some thoughts from the top of my head:

Legate was missing toDay which was unusual. I rather doubt he'd let himself miss a Day were he a gifted, so I'm gonna guess he's an ordo.

I think it's less likely Rikae is a seer after that stunt. But then again, she could be pulling a Boro and I don't want to fall for that again...

I don't think Lommy will get lynched anytime soon...she could make for an easy kill.

I wouldn't mind killing Noggie. He could easily get lynched, but how much would it confuse people if he turned up dead? Also, I'm still wondering if he could be Frodo...

Okay, now perhaps I'll actually go back and look at everyone to get some ideas.

-Brinn

Menel: I'm not really worried about him. It's possible he's gifted, but I don't think he's the seer.

Greenie: Based on her extremely vague opinions of everyone in her list post, I don't think she's the seer. She's a possible future lynch candidate, so let's leave her alone.

Legate: Like I said, since he was a no-show I think he's most likely an ordo. Would be an easy kill, but I'd rather find Frodo or the seer, or even the ranger.

Lari: Giftedness is possible, but she's giving me ordo vibes right now.

Lommy: Might be the seer. If so, I'm guessing she dreamt Fea on Night 1 and Legate on Night 2. But I can't be sure about this. The question is, how likely will the ranger protect her?

Rune: I have a feeling Rune would be more involved if he were gifted, but I might be wrong. If he were the seer, I think he would've dreamt of me after our major scuffle, so I doubt he is. I wouldn't mind killing him, but probably not toNight.

Mira: I still doubt Kit would give a newbie a gifted role since they'd have to figure it out for the first time on their own. But I suppose anything's possible.

Nogrod: If he's the seer, he's certainly not giving any hints. I still think it's possible he could be Frodo. But I could be completely wrong on this. I definitely wouldn't mind killing him though. I doubt the ranger will protect him and his death would certainly confuse the village.

Fea: Oh god, she could be anything. If she's the seer, she'll most likely end up pretty dangerous to us. But I'm thinking that perhaps she's just an ordo messing with our heads and trying to get herself killed with hints.

Aganzir: I have no idea. Even if she's the seer, keeping her alive another Day probably wouldn't be all that dangerous since she doesn't suspect any of us. Also, she might get herself lynched in the near future.

Beregond: see Mira

Rikae: She's certainly throwing out a lot of seer hints. The question is, is she actually the seer? She does back off on Nerwen, but that could be a ploy...it's exactly what Boro did. I want to say she is just an ordo, but I'm worried about falling into the same trap.

Possible kills:
Lommy: The only thing is I'm really worried she might be protected.
Nogrod: Probably not a seer hit, but could be something else. A safer kill.
Rikae: We could kill her just to be sure. But there's the chance the ranger's protecting her.
Rune: Not as much as the others, but if you guys really want him dead, then I'm up for it.

And I wonder which name our informer will give. Hopefully not one of us...

I think that's all from me for tonight, but I'll be around later.

-Brinn
Look, I was actually right about Lommy's first dream. :cool: And yeah, I probably would've pushed for her death again if I hadn't been so worried she might be protected. Next time I won't be so cautious...

Well, that went off nicely. I'm sorry I couldn't be around during the second half of the Day, but you didn't need my help... or even your own help, really. What a nice, obliging lot these villagers are!

And good Seer-hinting, Brinniel. Might prove very useful.
Possible kills:
Lommy: The only thing is I'm really worried she might be protected.
Nogrod: Probably not a seer hit, but could be something else. A safer kill.
Rikae: We could kill her just to be sure. But there's the chance the ranger's protecting her.
Rune: Not as much as the others, but if you guys really want him dead, then I'm up for it.

And I wonder which name our informer will give. Hopefully not one of us...

I think that's all from me for tonight, but I'll be around later.

-Brinn
If Rikae is the Seer she's behaving very oddly (even for her). I mean, the way she backed off me would make it very hard for the villagers to tell whether her earlier suspicions were a hint or not. You never know with her, though.
I think it might indeed be a good idea to kill Lommy. although there is quite a risk she'll be protected. (If we don't kill her, look out for a change in her attitude to Agan tomorrow).
Nogrod– Not bad either... it would certainly give the village something to talk about.
Rune– I think not.

I wouldn't overlook Fea, either.

~Nerwraith.

Oh yes, now I remember why I wanted to keep Mac alive. Partly because he's on our side, of course, but also because if I have to reveal as seer and one of my "dreamt of players" is the true seer, I can accuse them of being the informer (after all, the informer does appear innocent in dreams). Also I might use Lommy as a Night dream instead of Dury...it might be more believable since I didn't try to save the latter. I'm tempted to "dream" of Mac, but that might look bad if he's lynched and I don't have to fake reveal after all. So it might be a good idea to "dream" Aganzir instead (she was on my watch list), and also maybe suspect Mac. If he's on the lynching block, I might risk voting him, just so I won't be connected to him should he be lynched. Still slightly worried people will turn heads at my Fea vote, but they might not think much of it with all the x-posting at the time, plus I indicated I might vote her all Day.

Btw, I think it was kind of a good thing you two weren't around much toDay; it seemed to ease some suspicions. Of course, I wouldn't suggest continuing to do so as quiet wolves have a habit of eventually getting lynched. I thought Sally would be the loudest wraith, but it seems I have the second most posts on the thread! So much for posting less.
If Rikae is the Seer she's behaving very oddly (even for her). I mean, the way she backed off me would make it very hard for the villagers to tell whether her earlier suspicions were a hint or not. You never know with her, though.
In earlier Days, I would've quickly wrote her off as seer, but now I know better. It'd be a risky move to back off on a known baddie in case you are killed, but that's exactly what Boro did with morm, which resulted in Noggie and me not wanting to kill him...and that was a disaster. Though, I don't want to be lured into another trap if she does happen to be an ordo. Therefore, I don't think I'd like to kill Rikae toNight, but I say we keep close eyes on her toMorrow because we might want to consider her for another Night in the near future, depending on her behaviour.
If we don't kill her, look out for a change in her attitude to Agan tomorrow
I'm not sure if Lommy would dream of Aganzir toNight were she the seer (actually if she was the seer, why wouldn't she dream of Agan on Night 1 since she always suspects her). A seer doesn't necessarily dream their top suspects, I know I wouldn't because it'd be more predictable and easier for wolves to spot. But we can still keep a watch on interactions between the two.
I wouldn't overlook Fea, either.
I thought about her for a kill, and while it's certainly possible she's the seer, I think she might just be messing with us. Anyway, she gathered a lot of attention at the end of the Day, and I think it might be possible to lynch her in the future.

Hmm...I'd love to kill Lommy, but I'm extremely hesitant because there's a really good chance she'll be protected. Right now it seems she and Legate are the ones generally considered innocent. And Lommy looks more seerish of the two.

The best choice might be Nogrod. For one thing, there's a fair chance he might not be an ordo (though that probably could be said for almost everyone). Secondly, his death would probably be really confusing. Thirdly, he's probably not ranger protected. My only hesitation is he would also make a great lynching target toMorrow (though I won't go after him). I suppose the same reasons can be used for killing Fea, though her death might more likely incriminate us (or at least me). But maybe not.

If you two prefer Lommy I'm up for it, though I think we'd be taking a major risk. Of course if she is protected, at least we'll have a guaranteed kill toMorrow. But there's a good chance she's not even the seer. I often suspect she's gifted, but she rarely turns out to be.

Alright, my hit list:

1. Nogrod or Fea
2. Lommy
3. Rikae

-Brinn

Your informer has suggested you kill Brinn toNight. I suggest against this action for obvious reasons.

~Kit

Your informer has suggested you kill Brinn toNight. I suggest against this action for obvious reasons.

~Kit
Hahaha. Well at least I know I'm doing well at looking innocent. I wonder if he thinks I'm the seer?

Obviously I have no intention of committing suicide. Maybe our informer will take the hint when he sees we don't take his suggestion.

I decided while it would kind of suck if our target is protected, it wouldn't entirely be a bad thing. At least it would add to confusion and discussion on who was protected. And if if the seer was worried enough that they were the one protected, they could reveal, or at least leave some more obvious hints.

One thing: If we killed Rikae and she was seer, Nerwen might not look so bad. But if she's ordo and we fell into a trap, Nerwen might not look quite as good, but Greenie would look much worse. If we want to frame someone, Rikae would be the kill to do it.

Still, I think I might be happier killing Noggie or Fea. I'm feeling bold toNight.

Of course if one of you have someone better in mind, or a possible clue to the seer, go on and share it. I want to hear your thoughts (especially Sally, whom we haven't heard from yet).

Okay, I'll try to stop flooding you with PMs,
Brinn

Your informer has suggested you kill Brinn toNight. I suggest against this action for obvious reasons.

~Kit

Haha!

Okay, so I've read your PMs and since I still haven't gotten a chance to read the thread really well I have to go with what I 'know' from my skimthrough I made late last night.

I wasn't a fan of killing Lommie or Nog before but I'm really not going to fight about it now. Strangely enough, I'd like to see Lari go. Just a gut thing, but I'm probably wrong.

Anyway I can't seem to stay in one place and on my computer for more than like a minute, so I'm just going to submit this and see if I've got any more PMs. Blah, this weekend turned out so much busier than it was supposed to be.

Hahaha. Well at least I know I'm doing well at looking innocent. I wonder if he thinks I'm the seer?
Yep, looks like your act's working.

I'd like some input from Sally, too, but time's getting on...

If you don't want to try for Lommy, then, it's a question of whether we go for one of the spectacular "I'm-the-Seer-no-I'm-not-yes-I-am" people, i.e. Rikae or Fea, or for Nogrod.

I was thinking that the deaths of obvious pseudo-Seers would make the newbies look bad, and the village might lynch some of them and save us worrying about them –after all, you can't count on them not being gifted. (On the other hand, it might also impact on you (Brinn), because of the way the wolves got burned in Fea's game.)

But I rather like the idea of killing Nogrod, though. It would quite a talking point, plus he might well be something.

~Nerwraith.

Whoops, I must not have sent you my last PM. Sorry, Nerwen.

Anyway I also think a really good 'random' kill would be Agan. I don't know why, but I really think she'd be good to get rid of, just a feeling.

Also, we have to make sure not to kill our Ferny. Now it's possible that it's Mac, but if it's not who would suggest him as a first Night kill? Just something to consider.

So I'm on IM with Brinn right now and happened to mention that I want to try to avoid Frodo as long as possible, in hopes that the seer will dream him/her, find them innocent, and then we can 'scry' them per se and hope that the seer won't re-dream them. (I wonder if Kit will put the changing of Frodo in the narration. I'd assume so, but I'm not sure.)

Hmmmm. Thoughts?

Whoops, I must not have sent you my last PM. Sorry, Nerwen.
No, our PMs crossed, that's all. I've got yours.
Anyway I also think a really good 'random' kill would be Agan. I don't know why, but I really think she'd be good to get rid of, just a feeling.
Oh yes, she can be a menace. Also, there's that funny Day 1 stuff where she goes on about "what I would do if I were Frodo" and how much an Agan-Frodo would love to be wraithified... a hint? (Of course, everyone seems to assume Frodo would act as they would.)

And Lari is worth watching. I'm getting vibes from her too.

I don't know how Noggie's death would affect me. Would it look bad since I defended him? But then again his death might point to anyone. I would like to kill him, but I'd need another look before I'm sure.

Sally, what do you think about killing Noggie?

I took a look at Agan and the only thing is she doesn't suspect any of us. Her suspects will probably change with the Dury lynch, but keeping her around could benefit us. Also, if she and Lommy continue to feud, it might cause a nice distraction.

As for Lari, she could make a good kill, but it feels rather safe to me. But maybe.

Off to look at Noggie again,
Brinn

Sorry, Sally, we crossed again.
Also, we have to make sure not to kill our Ferny. Now it's possible that it's Mac, but if it's not who would suggest him as a first Night kill? Just something to consider.
I'd say the answer to that is, "an idiot". Or at least, someone who isn't paying attention. So, not much of a loss.
So I'm on IM with Brinn right now and happened to mention that I want to try to avoid Frodo as long as possible, in hopes that the seer will dream him/her, find them innocent, and then we can 'scry' them per se and hope that the seer won't re-dream them. (I wonder if Kit will put the changing of Frodo in the narration. I'd assume so, but I'm not sure.)

Hmmmm. Thoughts?
I'm afraid that's a bit too complicated. It would be absolurely fantastic if it worked, but we'd really have to have a fairly good idea of Frodo's identity, and we haven't. You have to weigh the chance of Frodo getting dreamed against the chance of him being lynched before we find him.

~Nerwraith.

I'd go for Nog. There's a couple people I prefer a bit over him (Agan mostly, just for randomness) but I would definitely be amenable to his death.

Yeah, I'd rather just keep an eye on Lari for right now and see if we need to deal with her or just let the village take care of her like they did Durie.

Okay, I looked at Noggie again. He was fairly suspected yesterDay and really led the rally against Durelin. However, others might consider him more innocent for that reason because they might question the chances of him being so bold if he were actually guilty. Of the "lynch Durelin" party, it's probably going to be the ones who suspected and voted her suddenly in the final moments that will be suspected most. That's just my guess.

I don't know to whom his death will point to, but hopefully it won't be any of us.

Nogrod doesn't look at all to be the seer. So his death might confuse people who would expect us to go after the seer. Of course, they might suspect we thought he was Frodo, but I don't think it matters much. My main goal for a Noggie kill is to keep the village running in circles. It'd be nice if he was a gifted, but I'm so bad at spotting gifteds I don't think I should bother trying anymore. As I told Sally, there's a better chance I'll stumble over one on accident than actually be right about someone I pursue. The difficult thing about spotting gifteds is there's not predicting how they'll act (especially the ranger). You almost have to have a natural talent to spot one..

I'm not getting vibes from Lari like you guys are, but I'll watch for her. I also suggest keeping a close eye on Rikae. Actually, we should just keep a close watch one everyone.

I just realised last time I killed Agan, tp and Boro claimed to set her up for the kill. Maybe that's why I'm feeling bitter at the thought of killing her again.

So should we kill Nogrod? We still have time if we want to add someone else into the running.

-Brinn
Yes, it's true I never intended to frame anyone when choosing Noggie. It was just plain luck that the following Day fell together so perfectly.

Look, Nogrod's fine with me. I sort of feel that I'd slightly prefer Agan, though.

Still, if we leave her alive, it shouldn't be too hard to get her and Lommy to try and lynch each other.

Any other ideas on strategy for toDay? I think we've so far managed to avoid having our names linked, which is the main thing... but people might eventually realise I was voting to save Brinn on Day 1.

I will do a nice little analysis of Nogrod; I might even bring up the possibility that he was thought to be Frodo. (I like to believe my Shasta-analysis might have contributed to getting Dury lynched, though it's probably wishful thinking.)

I think the best thing we can do is suspect each other and do a wolf-on-wolf vote if we absolutely must (though don't make it look like you are doing it because you have to). I don't think any connections will be noticed until one of us dies. So let's just try to stay alive.

If you guys want Aganzir dead, do you want to change the kill to her? Though it's kinda last minute, and I need to submit our choice soon...

-Brinn

PS. Nerwen's inbox is full, so maybe we shouldn't change it after all.
I almost did change the kill to Agan (which would've given us Frodo one Day earlier), but I didn't want to do it without Nerwen knowing.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta hasn't done anything much yet, but we know he can be dangerous.

Pffft. I'm always a harmless Ordo, everyone knows that. :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

Well, that was easy.

We didn't even kill Noggie to set up Fea, and not because we thought him the ranger either. But what an easy way to get rid of Fea that was.

Right now I'm concerned with possible connections between us in the scenario one of us is lynched. Sally's suspicion of me on Day 1 has already been caught on as wolf-on-wolf, and I'm doing my best to distance myself from that. In-game, I already suspect you Sally so don't be surprised if I'm persistent on you and even vote to lynch you...better that than suspiciously back off. In turn, I think you need to interact with me, defend my accusations of you, etc. We need to butt heads a little, but not enough to let it look staged. Nerwen I'm not as worried about since no one seems to suspect her now (but we'll have to see toMorrow). I think I'm somewhere in the middle.

But let's hope it doesn't come to sacrificing one of us. With Fea's death, suspicions will probably change dramatically toMorrow. I don't think we will be primary targets, though it's possible. I think Sally might be at the biggest risk since she's starting to gather some attention. Though I think there could be a fairly good chance of losing our informer toMorrow. Suspect him if you two want; I decided to take the risk of thinking him innocent, unless he does something dramatic. A bold move, but I'm kinda hoping it'll look too bold to be suspicious (the most suspicious would be probably sitting on neutral territory). And hey, it could look seerish...

I considered changing the kill to Aganzir since you two wanted it, but it was too last minute. I guess it wasn't completely awful to kill Noggie. At least it kept them confused, which is what I wanted.

As for toNight's kill, I'm not gonna suggest anyone right now since I want to go to bed shortly (it's difficult since I do have ideas in mind). Also, I want to hear you guys give out suggestions first since I am horrible at spotting gifteds and perhaps you two will do a better job. I'd really like to find the seer toNight, as with each Night it gets more dangerous to leave them alive. Though if we manage to kill the ranger or turn Frodo, I certainly won't mind.

Okay I just have to throw this out here because I can't wait: Rikae still could be the seer and have dreamt of Fea and Mac (they'd both show up as ordos), and she just mixed up who was Ferny. But even if so, I don't know if I want to kill her since she could make a great lynch target...unless you guys think it's necessary. That's all.

Don't expect any PMs heavy in content from me until after 7pm EST. I have classes all day.

Night,
Brinn


We didn't even kill Noggie to set up Fea, and not because we thought him the ranger either. But what an easy way to get rid of Fea that was.
It was fun, too.

You two are starting to draw a bit of suspicion, but so is everyone now, so that's okay.
Okay I just have to throw this out here because I can't wait: Rikae still could be the seer and have dreamt of Fea and Mac (they'd both show up as ordos), and she just mixed up who was Ferny. But even if so, I don't know if I want to kill her since she could make a great lynch target...unless you guys think it's necessary. That's all.
Well, that might explain how she was so sure Fea wasn't a wraith. How much would we have to stick our necks out to get her lynched, though? Anyone who helps lynch the Seer gets looked at pretty hard.

If you really think she's the Seer, we should just kill her. Otherwise, we could try killing Aganzir, or maybe Beregond. I think he might be something (though not the Seer, or he would have said something more definite in his lists.)

Well, that might explain how she was so sure Fea wasn't a wraith. How much would we have to stick our necks out to get her lynched, though? Anyone who helps lynch the Seer gets looked at pretty hard
Well, I wouldn't try that hard to get her lynched and she might not even need any help. If she doesn't get lynched toMorrow, then we could just kill her the following Night. Anyways, I'm not that sure she's the seer. It would be pretty risky to go after Fea like that, especially if she dreamt her as an ordo. But it is possible.
If you really think she's the Seer, we should just kill her. Otherwise, we could try killing Aganzir, or maybe Beregond. I think he might be something (though not the Seer, or he would have said something more definite in his lists.)
I have absolutely no idea about Agan; I'll take a better look at her later. I'm still hesitant about the possibility of a newbie being a gifted, especially Beregond who didn't know anything about WW before this. It'd be a lot of pressure to give him a special role to work out on his own. But I guess anything's possible.

I actually woke up this morning and realised I'm really worried about Lommy. I rather wish we had taken the risk of killing her earlier because she's getting dangerous. Her persistence and vote against Sally, and her suspicion of me could point to seerism. If she is the seer, I think she might've dreamt of Sally and toNight there's a good chance she'll dream of me. Killing her would be a dangerous move either way. If we kill her and she is the seer, Sally
and me will look awful bad and one, or even both of us could get lynched. Of course, if we leave her alive and she is the seer and has dreamt of two wolves, she'll probably reveal. Because why wait and risk getting killed if you know 2/3 of the evil party? I could fake reveal as seer in that scenario, but it only might buy us a Day and afterward both of us would be promptly lynched. Though if she is the seer, at least Nerwen will look good. Basically, if Lommy turns out to be the seer it's extremely bad news for us no matter what we do. So let's hope she's not. If we kill her toNight and she's not the seer, Sally and me might still look bad, but aren't necessarily doomed...after all, they could see it as another frame job. If we leave her alive and she's not the seer, she might back off on us, but there's no guarantee and it could be risky. Whether she's a seer or not, Lommy does look gifted. It might be a good idea to be rid of her now rather than later, no matter the outcome.

Tell me, what do you guys think about Lommy? Because I'm extremely nervous right now on the thought that she could be the seer. I'm often wrong about these things, and I really hope I am wrong about this.

-Brinn
The only thing I was wrong about was that I switched around her dreams between Sally and me.

Ferny suggests killing A Little Green.

~Kit

Cheap solution to the Lommie reveals problem. Sorry if it's not well-worded, because I just woke up *blissful sigh* but here goes.

IF we let Lommie live (which I think is the safest course of action, believe it or not) and she is the seer, she will eventually find Nerwen and at that point she will reveal, if not before, which I believe would be the case.

IF she reveals, Brinn can counter-reveal. You've been suspecting me for a while, feel free to lynch me if it makes you look good. How you're going to manage Lommie after that I'll never know. (Perhaps claiming that your dreams have been killed off or that the village are idiots for killing "X" when you clearly stated they were innocent, if/where applicable, etc.)

The problem with that is the very fact of Lommie's existence and how to explain why we wouldn't want to kill her. So basically the whole plan is brilliant in theory, but rubbish in practice. Like communism. Or decaf coffee.

I'm all for killing Agan or Rikae, especially since I think Agan would still be a safe (as in it wouldn't point to us right away) kill. Also, Ferny suggests Greenie. I've got a meeting with my advisor in a bit but when I get back I'll do my best to have a look at her, k?

Alternatively, are we still calling Mac for Ferny? And I think we should at least discuss Frodo and who he/she might be because if Lommie is the seer and she reveals I really don't want Nerwen left alone.

~~Sally~~

IF we let Lommie live (which I think is the safest course of action, believe it or not) and she is the seer, she will eventually find Nerwen and at that point she will reveal, if not before, which I believe would be the case.

IF she reveals, Brinn can counter-reveal. You've been suspecting me for a while, feel free to lynch me if it makes you look good. How you're going to manage Lommie after that I'll never know. (Perhaps claiming that your dreams have been killed off or that the village are idiots for killing "X" when you clearly stated they were innocent, if/where applicable, etc.)

The problem with that is the very fact of Lommie's existence and how to explain why we wouldn't want to kill her. So basically the whole plan is brilliant in theory, but rubbish in practice. Like communism. Or decaf coffee.
I don't think the seer would wait until they dreamt all three wolves; they're lucky if they catch two and would most likely take advantage of it. And besides...they've gotta leave some work for the ordos.

If we left Lommy alive and she revealed that she dreamt of the two of us, then I will counter-reveal. But note I'll only do it if the seer has dreamt of me. My dreams would be Lommy, Nogrod, Mac or Rune, and Sally. And since Ferny appears as an ordo in dreams, I can accuse Lommy of being Ferny. And if I reveal, I'm sorry Sally, I will sacrifice you. Because if I dream of a wraith, it'll give good reason why not to lynch Lommy. The problem with this plan is that there's a big risk that the village will believe Lommy and not me. For one thing, why would she so suddenly fake reveal...though I'd argue she thought a wraith or two might be good lynching targets for the Day and decided to self-sacrifice in order to lure out the seer. And even if I do convince the village, my claim won't hold up forever. They'll either start doubting me or decide to lynch Lommy...and then I'm doomed and that's two wraiths down. But at least it would give us more Days...and luckily there are no double lynches.

If we kill Lommy and she's not the seer, Sally or me, or both might look bad. But then again, they might see the kill as a frame-up like Nogrod. If we kill her and she is the seer, Sally would definitely look bad and probably me as well. One wraith would probably get lynched, but I don't know if people will assume both of us are guilty. So I might be able to stay alive for awhile if I play it carefully.

Maybe not killing her is best because there's a chance we're totally wrong about her being the seer and she's just unusually accurate. That's what I hope. Because I find trying to convince an entire village with a false reveal rather scary, but I'll do it if I must. At least I set myself up to vaguely look like the seer from early on. If Lommy is a seer who dreamt of two of us, she'd most likely reveal with her first post. Which kind of sucks since I have classes most of the day (unless we get a snow day). Anyways, I'd like to hear from Nerwen about all this since she's the one who could end up a lone wolf.

And I should have a closer look at Greenie since our informer suggested her. I'm a bit hesitant to kill her because she seems to find me completely innocent...but it's possible Mac saw something that we didn't. Of course he could be wrong too since he was about me.

Off to examine everyone closely,
Brinn

Gah, I started a PM and then the mouse screwed up on me and I lost it...

What I did say was that if the seer isn't Lommy, then I'd like to get them toNight, though any gifted would make me happy. I have no idea how Frodo would act, it's a toss-up and all I can do is guess. The ranger would probably want to lay low and not be too noticed, but also not so unnoticed that they'd make a safe kill. Can the ranger protect themself? Perhaps we should ask Kit.

Menel: The quietest of the players. He doesn't look seerish, but then again he didn't look seerish last time he was the seer. He could be gifted, though more likely Frodo or the ranger. Would make a safe kill.

Greenie: I'm trying to make out why our informer suggested her. Her posts don't seem at all seerish to me...maybe he thinks she's Frodo. Or perhaps just a safe kill.

Aganzir: Right now, I still can't see anything gifted about her. Of course I could be very wrong. She'd make a safe kill.

Mirandir: I don't think she looks gifted. If we leave the newbies around long enough, people might start to suspect and lynch them.

Legate: I don't think a seer would act so sure of someone's guilt if he hadn't dreamt of them. He seems rather bold to be a ranger, but he could be. His absence for a full Day makes me think he's more likely an ordo. Anyway, there's a good chance he'll receive a fair amount of attention toMorrow, so let's leave him alone.

Rune: I don't know. He's naturally aggressive, but I think he's even a bit more so in this game. Would a gifted attack me so harshly? Possibly. With his position on the whole Fea, there's a good chance he'll look more innocent toMorrow. Could make a good kill, but then again if the ranger thinks he tried to save Fea because he's a seer who dreamt her as an ordo, then there's a good chance he'll be protected.

Lari: I have no idea whether she could be gifted or not. She received quite a bit of attention yesterDay; I don't know how Fea's innocence will affect people's opinions on her. But she seems harmless enough for now and I'd rather leave her be.

Lommy: Already discussed her plenty.

Beregond: He'd make for a safe kill, but I don't think we'll catch a gifted by killing him.

Rikae: Already discussed her some. It's still possible she's a seer, but I'm not sure a seer would be so bold. It might be better to leave her alone since I'll think she'll receive a fair amount of pressure toMorrow, though I'm not sure how likely it is she'll actually get lynched. Actually, I wouldn't be against killing her (even if it looks like a repeat of the Noggie kill). It's very possible she's gifted, even if it's not the seer.

Who I want to leave alone:
Mirandir
Legate
Lari
Beregond
Rune

Possible kills:
Menel
Greenie
Aganzir
Rikae

??
Lommy

Possible ranger protection:
Menel
Greenie
Aganzir
Lommy
Rune
Beregond

I could go for Menel or Rikae. Aganzir I'm still hesitant about, but I won't argue it if you both rather kill her. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to take Mac's advice and go for Greenie. Then there's the huge question of Lommy. I don't see much of seer qualities in many others, which is why I'm getting more and more worried about her. We also still have to keep who the ranger might protect in mind. Rikae would be unlikely, and Rune would be very likely (which is why I don't want to kill him). Actually, if there's a good chance Lommy is protected, it'd probably be a good idea not to kill her. Though I don't want to make an actual decision about Lommy until I hear from Nerwen.

-Brinn

Sorry for not posting before– just got in.

First things– Sally, remember that a false reveal can only buy you a short time. Once the Seer's dead, everyone knows his role. Brinn's idea of claiming the real Seer is Ferny and throwing Sally to the lambs is rather brilliant– but definitely a last resort plan. She'd still be exposed pretty soon.

I'm not sure if it is Lommy, though– would she have made that throwaway vote for Sally if she'd been the Seer?

It mightn't be a bad idea to kill her anyway, since she's just too clever. The problem is that whether she's Seer or ordo, her death points somewhat to Brinn as well as Sally.

Basically, though, the same comment I made about Rikae holds: if you think there's a good chance you've found Barliman, kill him.

I'll have a look at Greenie too, but I suspect it's more a case of her looking Seer-ish to someone who doesn't know who the wraiths are.

I'm not sure if it is Lommy, though– would she have made that throwaway vote for Sally if she'd been the Seer?
Actually that's one of the reasons I'm worried that she is the seer. If she's already dreamt of Sally and is worried she might get killed at Night, what better way to leave a trail then to vote for her known wraith?

Also, keep in mind that if we miss a kill due to ranger protection, it'll be very bad news for us. Because we'd risk the chance of being exposed, plus we'd have no kill. If the ranger finds Lommy at all seerish, then she may be protected.

I'm not sure if it is Lommy, though– would she have made that throwaway vote for Sally if she'd been the Seer?
Actually that's one of the reasons I'm worried that she is the seer. If she's already dreamt of Sally and is worried she might get killed at Night, what better way to leave a trail then to vote for her known wraith?

Also, keep in mind that if we miss a kill due to ranger protection, it'll be very bad news for us. Because we'd risk the chance of being exposed, plus we'd have no kill. If the ranger finds Lommy at all seerish, then she may be protected.
I was just thinking that voting for Sally leaves her rather exposed... and she gives a reason; I'm not even sure she'd look Seer-ish to someone not in the know. She still might get protected as a likely innocent anyway.

On the whole, though, I think we should take the risk. If we don't kill her, I'd say Rikae or Aganzir are our best bests.

~Nerwen.

On the whole, though, I think we should take the risk. If we don't kill her, I'd say Rikae or Aganzir are our best bests.
Take the risk to kill or not kill Lommy? Because I think I might prefer the risk of leaving her alive. Simply because I was the one who first mentioned the possibility of her being seer and more often than not I am wrong. I will seriously be kicking myself if we kill Lommy and she's not the seer. On the other hand, if we leave her alive and she is the seer, at least we have a plan that might buy us an extra Day (and hey, if I'm gonna get lynched, let's make it interesting). Plus, in this scenario there's still a chance that she won't dream of me toNight...after the Fea thing, other dream candidates could have come up. And if we were to kill her and she was the seer, Sally and me would still be left in a bad light. Basically the only scenario that would possibly keep us all alive is if we don't kill Lommy and she's not the seer. Ugh, I don't know...this is a really difficult decision as the choice we make could be fatal.

Anyway, if we don't kill Lommy and it's between Rikae and Aganzir, I choose Rikae. Okay, both could be gifteds, but at least in Rikae's case there's a good chance she won't be protected.

-Brinn

On the whole, though, I think we should take the risk. If we don't kill her, I'd say Rikae or Aganzir are our best bests.
Take the risk to kill or not kill Lommy? Because I think I might prefer the risk of leaving her alive. Simply because I was the one who first mentioned the possibility of her being seer and more often than not I am wrong. I will seriously be kicking myself if we kill Lommy and she's not the seer. On the other hand, if we leave her alive and she is the seer, at least we have a plan that might buy us an extra Day (and hey, if I'm gonna get lynched, let's make it interesting). Plus, in this scenario there's still a chance that she won't dream of me toNight...after the Fea thing, other dream candidates could have come up. And if we were to kill her and she was the seer, Sally and me would still be left in a bad light. Basically the only scenario that would possibly keep us all alive is if we don't kill Lommy and she's not the seer. Ugh, I don't know...this is a really difficult decision as the choice we make could be fatal.

Anyway, if we don't kill Lommy and it's between Rikae and Aganzir, I choose Rikae. Okay, both could be gifteds, but at least in Rikae's case there's a good chance she won't be protected.

-Brinn
I meant the risk of killing her. It's a hard decision– as you say, if Lommy's the Seer it's very bad news, whether we kill her or not– either way, Sally's probably done for, and maybe Brinn as well. I don't see any sign Lommy suspects me– in fact, the big risk in leaving her alive is that– if she is the Seer– she might eventually dream me to make sure I can be trusted. Perhaps I should start dropping a few hints of my own?

If you don't want to kill Lommy, I'd prefer Aganzir, but Rikae's okay with me.

It's hard to know how the coming Day will pan out. I think we must be prepared to sacrifice Mac (our presumed Ferny). I think I might be taking a good, hard look at young Sally too... why was she trying to save him? etc.

~Nerwen.

On the whole, though, I think we should take the risk. If we don't kill her, I'd say Rikae or Aganzir are our best bests.
Take the risk to kill or not kill Lommy? Because I think I might prefer the risk of leaving her alive. Simply because I was the one who first mentioned the possibility of her being seer and more often than not I am wrong. I will seriously be kicking myself if we kill Lommy and she's not the seer. On the other hand, if we leave her alive and she is the seer, at least we have a plan that might buy us an extra Day (and hey, if I'm gonna get lynched, let's make it interesting). Plus, in this scenario there's still a chance that she won't dream of me toNight...after the Fea thing, other dream candidates could have come up. And if we were to kill her and she was the seer, Sally and me would still be left in a bad light. Basically the only scenario that would possibly keep us all alive is if we don't kill Lommy and she's not the seer. Ugh, I don't know...this is a really difficult decision as the choice we make could be fatal.

Anyway, if we don't kill Lommy and it's between Rikae and Aganzir, I choose Rikae. Okay, both could be gifteds, but at least in Rikae's case there's a good chance she won't be protected.

-Brinn

I agree that keeping Lommie alive is the 'safest' course of action. By the by, my plan was only meant as a last resort; in no other circumstance would I suggest using it nor would I betray a packmate like that, so I think that if possible we should not kill Lommie and if worse comes to worse we'll have to do our best to cope with it. Hopefully she's not the seer and she's just scarily right.

Agan or Rikae? I'd actually pick Agan. If Rikae happens to be the seer, Nerwen is probably toast. That's not really why I'd want her kept though; I just still have that feeling that killing Agan would be a good choice. I don't know, it's just one of those....things, if that makes any sense whatsoever. Though if you two would rather kill Rikae I wouldn't complain too much, as I think it would be good to get rid of her eventually as well, and since (though I didn't read her posts in too much detail) she seems to have backed off Nerwen a tad I think now would be an okay time to axe her. Up to you two lovely ladies.

X'd with our lovely Mistress Nerwen. I already said this, but yeah, I think Agan should be our kill.

However, I think at this point I think we should start worrying about Frodo, because if Lommie is the seer (or if the seer reveals) we'll need all the help we can get.

[NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]
Here's THE crackiest idea I've ever had, and yes, you are free to ignore it, because I think it's complete rubbish as well but I have to put it out there. What if....what if Lommie is Frodo? I mean, if she's figured out who we are and she for some reason wants to be changed, what better way to draw our attention?
[/NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]


Okay, I'll go ahead and send this and see if I have more PMs. Back soon~!

~~Sally~~

Agan or Rikae? I'd actually pick Agan. If Rikae happens to be the seer, Nerwen is probably toast.
Not really... if she's dead her hints about me remain ambiguous, and I might well be able to talk my way out of it. Besides, it would take the heat off you two.

I still wouldn't mind Agan, though.

~Nerwen.

Agan or Rikae? I'd actually pick Agan. If Rikae happens to be the seer, Nerwen is probably toast.
Not really... if she's dead her hints about me remain ambiguous, and I might well be able to talk my way out of it. Besides, it would take the heat off you two.

I still wouldn't mind Agan, though.

~Nerwen.

Very true. I just think that since she didn't have any reasoning behind it people might take it as seer hints. I'm not saying it's a bad choice, and if we do it we should do it soon.

I'm still up for Agan too. Where's Miss Brinn?

[NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]
Here's THE crackiest idea I've ever had, and yes, you are free to ignore it, because I think it's complete rubbish as well but I have to put it out there. What if....what if Lommie is Frodo? I mean, if she's figured out who we are and she for some reason wants to be changed, what better way to draw our attention?
[/NON-SEQUITOR ALERT!]
Hah, yeah that'd be funny...though not worth the risk. Hopefully she is not the seer and hopefully she will back off on us some so we can kill her later.

I already said this, but yeah, I think Agan should be our kill.
Sigh, alright if you two want to kill Aganzir then we will. After all, I disagreed already last Night and I would really regret not killing her if you two are right. I just feel doubtful that she's gifted (though it's partly due to meta reasons...she was an assassin in last game and either a hunter or ranger the game before) and worry she might be protected. If she's protected or Rikae does turn out gifted, I'm gonna repeat what morm told me and say you two can go eat a shoe. So hopefully I'm the one that's wrong again.

I've just realised Sally, you've requested to keep Lommy for three Days now. I just hope it turns out to be a good thing. :p

This strangely reminds of last game I was a wolf...except this time I feel like mormegil. :p Let's just hope toMorrow turns out differently than it did in Fea's game.

--Brinn
And it didn't.

Very true. I just think that since she didn't have any reasoning behind it people might take it as seer hints. I'm not saying it's a bad choice, and if we do it we should do it soon.

I'm still up for Agan too. Where's Miss Brinn?

Sally, our PMs crossed again. Re: your suggestion about Lommy– impersonating the Seer is a thing Frodo might well do, but I don't know about Lommy-Frodo, since she doesn't like being a wolf... although she's been one so often recently she might have got used to it.

Urgent announcement: I just found out my family are going down the Coast for the weekend, which means I'll have to vote early-ish tomorrow and will have very patchy Internet access for a couple of days. So you two will be more-or-less on your own in that time. If the Seer reveals and names me, or there's any other reason to lynch me, go for it.

Otherwise I'd rather stay alive, as I may not have opportunity to make the most of my death by gifted impersonation, incriminating innocents, etc.

~Nerwen.

Okay guys, just to confirm the kill...our choice is Aganzir, right? Or do we intend to change it last minute like we almost did last Night?

I just want to be sure...
-Brinn

Okay guys, just to confirm the kill...our choice is Aganzir, right? Or do we intend to change it last minute like we almost did last Night?

I just want to be sure...
As I said, I'd actually prefer taking the risk of killing Lommy... but I suppose you two are the ones who'll be implicated, so I'm not going to force the issue.

Other than that, I don't have a strong preference for Rikae or Aganzir. I doubt either of them will be protected.

~Nerwen.

Aganzir has to go, my fellow wraiths say.

-Brinn
What a shame. She has to go? Because Aganzir is your new wraith.

I will notify her now.

~Kit

I'll just have to thank you two for your insistence. I told you I shouldn't go with my gut, and look what happens. In fact, Lommy probably isn't even a seer after all. You know what, you guys should just decide the kills from now on....and won't say anything. Or if I do, I'll pick my kill choice as someone I'm least comfortable with killing.

Oh and btw, Aganzir is our newest wraith.

Love you guys forever,
Brinn
Or maybe I should go with my gut. I don't know. But I'm still really thankful for the other two's preference for Agan. It's for that reason alone that I have no regrets for not killing Lommy on this particular Night.

If you want to see the PMs for the following Nights, you're gonna have to ask another wraith, considering I was lynched and all...

[Nerwen]

I just want to say: hats off to my fellow-wraiths. Especially Mr Underhill... I was quite worried the last Night, knowing that we probably wouldn't be able to both be online at the same time as Mac, so things could still go wrong. But Agan saved the Day!

I haven't saved my PMs, so unless Agan saved hers, they're gone.

Lari, you did really well to stay alive the whole game- just having a Ranger around is a major deterent to the wolves.



-Khamûlia.

[Macalaure]

A few explanations about my suggestions (just so you know that I actually did think a little bit ;)):

I'm never good at spotting gifteds, even as a wolf, so often I chose somebody who I just thought could be dangerous in general, mostly because of an abundance of sanity. It turned out that those sane people were wraiths. :D

In Night 3 I had no idea about any gifteds. I chose Brinn because she seemed both innocent and sane, and after that insane Durelin lynch I thought getting rid of her would send the village into utter madness.

In Night 4 I suggested A Little Green, out of a gut feeling. I just felt that she had a special role, whether it's gifted or Frodo or even a wraith. I was wrong.

In Night 5 I suggested Rikae out of more or less the same reason, plus she looked too innocent to be kept alive.

In Night 6 I spent all day thinking about who to send only to forget sending anything in the end. :rolleyes:

In Night 7 I suggested Aganzir because she was after Legate who I thought was a wraith. I did not suspect her of being the ranger, but I thought a dead Aganzir would have been less harmful to Legate than a living one, because he seemed to look innocent to most other people.

In Night 8 I still was more confused than ever and chose Nerwen because out of everybody, I thought she was most likely to "get it right".

[Aganzir]

I didn't save the PMs from my first night as a wolf so you must ask sally, but I do have the rest and I can post them if it's fine by Nerwen (but not now because I'm going to sleep).

just having a Ranger around is a major deterent to the wolves.
Yeah and it totally messed up our plans, especially as we were told you could protect yourself once. The last day wouldn't have been half so scary if we had killed you earlier.

[satansaloser2005]

I didn't save the PMs from my first night as a wolf so you must ask sally, but I do have the rest and I can post them if it's fine by Nerwen (but not now because I'm going to sleep).



I'd love to post the ones that I've got but they're on my computer and it's currently very much out of commission, so be patient with me please and I'll be sure to do my best! :)

[Thinlómien]

Oh, what a game.

:D

Really, congrats wraiths, you were awesome. You deserved to win although I wouldn't have wanted you to. ;)

I hold a grudge against Agan, though - I was reading the thread after my death (knowing the roles) and tearing my hair: "Oh, why can't I be alive? You are leaving such obvious clues! And I'm not there to point them out!" Agan: "Exactly, darling. But because you and [insert various other names here] are dead, I dare to leave them." That was so frustrating! :D

Thanks, everybody, especially Kit.

More comments and reps will come later...

[Nerwen]

I didn't save the PMs from my first night as a wolf so you must ask sally, but I do have the rest and I can post them if it's fine by Nerwen

Oh, it's fine by me– but is it fine by Macalaure? I seem to recall that we made a few uncomplimentary remarks about Mr Ferny...

[Aganzir]

Oh, it's fine by me– but is it fine by Macalaure? I seem to recall that we made a few uncomplimentary remarks about Mr Ferny...
It was nothing so bad he couldn't read it, and the remarks wouldn't have been needed if he had paid more attention to possible clues. ;)

I don't have Night 5 but here are the rest.

**

Night 6

I don't have much time toNight. I need to leave in a few hours as I've promised to see some friends in order to complete an RPG campaign we didn't manage to do when we were supposed to, and I won't be back till Morning.

Unless I hear from you soon, I'm just going to send a tentative kill choice to Kit and say you might change it later if you're around. I don't know when you're coming back so I don't want to risk missing a kill.

Brinn sent me your old PM's and I'm just skimming through them. Good job guessing my identity so quickly. I left a few very vague hints in addition to the extensive Frodo speculation, but doubted anyone would see them. And yeah when saying to you on day 1 that this village needs people with an ability to make ploys, I was kind of trying to suggest that if there was someone who could realise I was Frodo, it was you, but I didn't dare to be any more straightforward in case I was wrong about you.

So.

If the ranger doesn't stop us, we have to survive three days. I'm rather sure Mac will get lynched soon, although if we kill Rikae, that might not be the case.
If the ranger ever gets in the way, I suggest we put some hints in our posts about the night kill just in case we need to impersonate the ranger later to save us from the gallows / lure out the real ranger. It's going to be bad if we don't find xem soon & xe gets to reveal.

As for the last day, whenever it is... If we get people to waste their retractions, it's going to be an easy win. One possibility, if we're both alive, would be that we both choose one to accuse & be very sure about, and try to convince other people to follow us & retract. But it's a bit early to talk about it yet.
Let's at least try to avoid sacrificing each other as it's going to be so much easier if we're both alive. Also, days with only three people alive are horrible even as an ordo.

Lari. I have been encouraging the idea of her being Frodo, but her defences look quite honest so I don't know if we can get her lynched. Not without Rikae's contribution, at least. She's been controlling the game.

Mira. If Rikae is left alive, she could be made an easy lynch target.

Berry. I think he's relatively safe to keep around for now.

However, I would like to kill a newbie at some point because although they're all doing well, it would feel kind of unfair to win by trying to manipulate newbies. I doubt we have a newbie ranger, though. Lommy wasn't that transparent (I didn't catch her before her reveal), and I'm not sure a newbie would gamble by not protecting her, either.

Rikae. Is there any role she hasn't tried to impersonate? A thought that occurred to me was that she could be the ranger trying to look as weird as possible in hopes that we would ignore her. She'd definitely be good enough to catch Lommy & protect her before her reveal or gamble.
Well, at least today's vote is clear, barring some master-plot as Legate said. I haven't decided which of our seers is the impostor, but the real one may be a victim tomorrow, unless the wraiths keep her alive for confusion's sake.
It's not really that simple, though. If we're lucky, the ranger will protect her. If we're even luckier, the ranger will successfully pull off a bluff of not protecting her when the wraiths expect him to, and then be able to protect her toMorrow night, buying her two dreams. It's been done before. ;)
I wondered already then why she said that aloud because it just didn't seem necessary. You remember when I commented on what Legate said about Frodo wanting to stay low on day 1? It was simply a way for me to say Hello, I'd like to become a wolf! Rikae's comment on that looks like it was just a way for her to ensure the wraiths have something to think about - to make sure Lommy is not our only option. Okay she could have said it also if she's an ordo, but it makes sense if she's the ranger.
She doesn't seem to suspect you at all, of me she's a bit suspicious. Her death wouldn't point at us very much - actually she's the first to start suspecting Legate, so it could be interpreted as a Legwolf wanting to look innocent as long as possible. It could also be argued that she died so Mac's chances of getting lynched would be slimmer.
On the other hand, if she isn't the ranger, she could be protected tonight. But I'd be willing to take a risk. Now there's also a chance Mac is protected.

Legate. I rather didn't kill him. He's so off track and is alright with Mac alive.

Rune. He's been rather quiet but generally innocentish. He'd be a good no trace kill if we wanted one.

Mac. No way I'd like to kill him tonight. Even in the very unlikely case he isn't the cobbler, the village will lynch him if we leave him alive.
this seems to imply that Ferny only gave them the names of ordos, if not of the wraiths themselves yet. Not that we can deduce anything from that, but it's good to know s/he's useless (at least in that aspect).
I laughed at this comment so much. No, poor Mac, you're not useless! It would've been good, though, if sally had told him his suggestion for night kill was not Frodo (if she did it, I didn't notice). I felt sorry for him when he went defending Greenie the day before yesterday.

Menel. Possible to get lynched at some point I think, especially if we leave Greenie alive too.

Greeny. First we make her lynch Menel. Then we can lynch her. Finds Mac innocent. She doesn't seem too dangerous right now, and we can always argue she's Frodo.

**

Conclusion: I'd like to kill Rikae. It might contribute to suspicions against both Mira and Legate and lessen those against Mac.

Unfortunately I don't have time to wait till Ferny sends his suggestion. Another reason to assume he's Mac: last night we got his suggestion in 10 minutes from his post to the bad popularity cup.

Did any of you try to make her identity known to him? Can we have a reason to assume he knows who we are? Yesterday I said to him I didn't understand his Rikae suggestion, and I hope he realised it was a hint.

-Agan

I'm going to send Rikae's name to Kit and say you might or might not change it later.
There are very small chances that I get online later - I highly doubt it, but it's not impossible.

See you in the day, then. Good luck.

-Agan

**

Night 7

Agan! Sorry to leave you all on your lonesome... I just couldn't help it.

I'll make up for it toMorrow.

For now, I need to read the thread properly.

By the way– I notice Sally seems to have some idea that Legate is Ferny. I don't know why, because we were sent Mac's name on Night 1, and I can't imagine Legate doing that.

Oh, and a belated welcome aboard!

Hey I'm here.

No problem, I understand. I was just getting a bit worried because I know the weather down there isn't quite nice at the moment and such. Also, in last game Strongbow & I were shirriffs and he just disappeared in the middle of the game so I'm a bit paranoid.

I very much doubt Legate is Ferny. He said himself that the cobbler, if not Mac, would be stupid to send in Mac's name. Also, just see how poor Mac tries to tell us things. Remember how he commented on sally's cobbler song?

I've tried to hint twice that I'm a wolf - I said his Rikae suggestion was weird, and yesterday I joked about he being still alive because he forgot to send his name to the wolves. Apparently that's the case as we didn't receive a name last night...
Yesterday he also said that although the cobbler may know some of the wolves, it's unlikely that he knows them all, and therefore he might accidentally vote for them. I don't know if any of you ever gave him the impression that you're wolves, but if you haven't done it, I think you should try, too. It'll be dangerous if he attacks you not knowing who you are.

I believe he attacked me yesterday because he thinks I want to lynch him tomorrow & wants to make me look better if that happens. I'd like to keep him alive, though. I said he should be lynched if we can't come up with any strong suspects, but I think I could go after Legate or Lari or Menel really hard tomorrow, being convinced that one of them is a wolf.

I might be more suspected because of my contribution in the Greenie lynch. I was not the only one who suspected her, though, so I don't know.

I don't know if any of you ever gave him the impression that you're wolves, but if you haven't done it, I think you should try, too. It'll be dangerous if he attacks you not knowing who you are.

I might give it a try, now that the village is running low on the sort of people who would pick up hints like that. It was too risky before, with the likes of Rikae around. I don't think Mac has any idea about me yet.

I believe he attacked me yesterday because he thinks I want to lynch him tomorrow & wants to make me look better if that happens. I'd like to keep him alive, though. I said he should be lynched if we can't come up with any strong suspects, but I think I could go after Legate or Lari or Menel really hard tomorrow, being convinced that one of them is a wolf.

Well, I'm going to agree that Mac might be Ferny, but then I'm going to push that idea that we should be trying to get a wraith if we can.

Perhaps we should agree on our targets now? I was thinking of going after Menel myself, though probably less aggressively. By the way: Rikae's "wolfchart" is certainly useful.

Who do you want to kill?

I might give it a try, now that the village is running low on the sort of people who would pick up hints like that. It was too risky before, with the likes of Rikae around. I don't think Mac has any idea about me yet.
That's one of the reasons I picked Rikae.

Well, I'm going to agree that Mac might be Ferny, but then I'm going to push that idea that we should be trying to get a wraith if we can.
Okay.

Perhaps we should agree on our targets now? I was thinking of going after Menel myself, though probably less aggressively. By the way: Rikae's "wolfchart" is certainly useful.;)
I could waver between Lari & Legate. At this point of the game I have an excuse to be aggressive and totally ignore the people I don't find very suspicious, but if I manage to lynch yet another innocent in a row, things will probably look worse for me on the last day. Therefore it might be better if you got Menel lynched.
"I'm okay voting him, especially as Greenie turned out to be innocent against all odds, but I still have more doubts about Legate and Lari... Why am I still alive?? Am I so wrong about everything? Aieee!"

Who do you want to kill?
I was thinking about Beregond. I doubt, though, that he's the ranger, and it'd be important to get xem soon.

Hmm I think I could suggest the ranger to reveal tomorrow. Just because we need to get a wolf or Ferny or we're going to lose and it'd narrow the field blah blah etc... Then at least we could kill xem next night.

Berry might help frame both Lari and Menel as he expressed some minor suspicions against them. Also, he was very convinced of Legate's innocence. He didn't know what to think about us two.

I'm alright with someone else, too, though.

I could waver between Lari & Legate. At this point of the game I have an excuse to be aggressive and totally ignore the people I don't find very suspicious, but if I manage to lynch yet another innocent in a row, things will probably look worse for me on the last day. Therefore it might be better if you got Menel lynched.
"I'm okay voting him, especially as Greenie turned out to be innocent against all odds, but I still have more doubts about Legate and Lari... Why am I still alive?? Am I so wrong about everything? Aieee!"

Oh, I'll be considering Lari, too, so we can compromise if need me... she's said some things that sound so like newbie wolf slips I have to keep reminding myself why she can't be one...

I was thinking about Beregond. I doubt, though, that he's the ranger, and it'd be important to get xem soon.

Do you think there's any chance the Ranger is one of the newer players? Because, if not, there's only Legate, Menel and Rune left.

Hmm I think I could suggest the ranger to reveal tomorrow. Just because we need to get a wolf or Ferny or we're going to lose and it'd narrow the field blah blah etc... Then at least we could kill xem next night.

Yes... but I doubt the Ranger would take up the offer toMorrow unless he's under threat... and suggesting that he reveal anyway might make it look like you're trying, well, exactly what you are trying. Maybe you could put it as, "if the Ranger feels there's any chance at all he'll be lynched, he should reveal". Hopefully, if we spread the field reasonably wide, he will feel threatened.

Oh, I'll be considering Lari, too, so we can compromise if need me... she's said some things that sound so like newbie wolf slips I have to keep reminding myself why she can't be one...
That sounds good. I could take Legate for my primary target but suspect Lari as well. Then I wouldn't be looked at too hard when one of them dies.

I've been thinking about the day after tomorrow... If Mac is alive, there'll be 3-3 (unless the ranger gets in the way). So, we need one innocent to waste xyr retraction on another innocent, and then we & Ferny can just jump on the bandwagon. I think the best way to do it would be to have a big argument about who the more likely wolf is, and try to convince others to vote the way we think & ask them to retract if need be.
Therefore you could find Legate innocentish and I could forget about Menel or Lari. Do you think that has a chance of succeeding?

Do you think there's any chance the Ranger is one of the newer players? Because, if not, there's only Legate, Menel and Rune left.
Well, could be... Honestly, I have no idea. I have a feeling Rune could be the ranger but it doesn't have anything to back it up.

Yes... but I doubt the Ranger would take up the offer toMorrow unless he's under threat... and suggesting that he reveal anyway might make it look like you're trying, well, exactly what you are trying. Maybe you could put it as, "if the Ranger feels there's any chance at all he'll be lynched, he should reveal". Hopefully, if we spread the field reasonably wide, he will feel threatened.
I know, but I've done it earlier when I've been innocent. If the village doesn't lynch a wraith or Ferny tomorrow, they probably lose. So it's up to the ranger if xe wants to help them by revealing...
I could at least throw the idea there even if I don't pursue it further. People's reactions might always reveal something.

Hmm killing Mira is a possibility, too. I doubt she'll get lynched - the village is concentrating on Lari too much right now.

I'll probably have to do some reading and make a list about people to clear my thoughts at some point... How long are you going to be around now?

I've been thinking about the day after tomorrow... If Mac is alive, there'll be 3-3 (unless the ranger gets in the way). So, we need one innocent to waste xyr retraction on another innocent, and then we & Ferny can just jump on the bandwagon. I think the best way to do it would be to have a big argument about who the more likely wolf is, and try to convince others to vote the way we think & ask them to retract if need be.
Therefore you could find Legate innocentish and I could forget about Menel or Lari. Do you think that has a chance of succeeding?

Not a bad plan at all. I was going to not-suspect Legate anyway.

Hmm killing Mira is a possibility, too. I doubt she'll get lynched - the village is concentrating on Lari too much right now.

On the other hand, she has been suspected on-and-off– Rikae lists her as "RED" along with Mac– whereas nobody ever seems to have found Beregond suspicious.

I'll probably have to do some reading and make a list about people to clear my thoughts at some point... How long are you going to be around now?

I need to get some sleep now (it's late here). I'll be around again in a few hours.

I need to get some sleep now (it's late here). I'll be around again in a few hours.
Ok. I could go through the thread during the evening (it's 5pm) and send you a PM, and wake up a bit earlier (like, two hours before the day starts). Do you think you could be online then so we could decide the kill and such?

A part of the plans
Lari
Legate
Menel. Said he understood Lari's Sagittarius comment on day 1. If he doesn't explain it, he could be accused of being Ferny.
Mac

Not a part of the plans

Mirandir. Finds Lari suspicious. Lari doesn't really think she's guilty. Legate believes one wraith is between her & Mira. Berry thinks she's innocent.

Beregond. Thought Lari looked less suspicious yesterday. Earlier in the day he was a bit suspicious of both her & Menel, though. Lari finds him innocent. Seems to be okay with lynching Mac. Doesn't know what to think of us. Rune was a bit worried about him.

Rune. Lari seems to find him somewhat suspicious, at least at the beginning of the day. Berry finds him innocent. Considered voting for Menel. Thought tomorrow will reveal a lot about Legate & me. I'm afraid he might find me suspicious because of the part I played in Greenie's lynching. Also you bothered him. He seemed to be the most suspicious of Lari & Mira, but wavered on Lari.

I think it goes down between Berry and Rune in the end. I have no idea who the ranger could be, apart from some random feelings I don't want to use as a grounds for killing.

Killing Berry would make me feel better because I rather try to manipulate experienced players than newbies. However Rune might be more dangerous than him. Still, I doubt we're going to be lynched. We are just not suspected enough.

Okay I just got Ferny's suggestion. THANKS A LOT. I would have expected him to know by now who I am. Or then he just wants to express his annoyance about my behaviour... Maybe I should be a bit easier on Mac tomorrow.

And if the cobbler is not Mac, I'm going to kill someone.

I'll go to sleep now. See you before the day starts, I hope.
See what a fuss I made about that Sagittarius comment yet I didn't realise what it meant?

A part of the plans
Lari
Legate
Menel. Said he understood Lari's Sagittarius comment on day 1. If he doesn't explain it, he could be accused of being Ferny.

Good idea... we need an alternative cobbler-candidate. We could argue over whether he's more likely wraith or cobbler.

I think it goes down between Berry and Rune in the end. I have no idea who the ranger could be, apart from some random feelings I don't want to use as a grounds for killing.

Killing Berry would make me feel better because I rather try to manipulate experienced players than newbies.

Beregond is more likely to be protected than Rune, though.

Still, I doubt we're going to be lynched. We are just not suspected enough.

Okay I just got Ferny's suggestion. THANKS A LOT. I would have expected him to know by now who I am.

Well, he might be looking for confirmation. He did send in Brinniel's name at one point, though, and I don't think anyone except Rune and Lommy were on to her then.

And if the cobbler is not Mac, I'm going to kill someone.

Same here... but I think it has to be.

Good idea... we need an alternative cobbler-candidate. We could argue over whether he's more likely wraith or cobbler.
Yes. And we should probably find each other quite innocent, and even if we question what the other says, it shouldn't affect our thoughts on each other. That way it's going to be easier tomorrow if all goes well. Of course we could try to win just by laying low and letting the village do the dirty work for us, but it's less fun.

Beregond is more likely to be protected than Rune, though.
Yeah that's true. And a ranger protection would be very bad for us at this point as it would give the village two known innocents if the ranger revealed.

Last night I had a dream we tried to kill Rikae and Gollum was the ranger and succesfully protected her.

Well, he might be looking for confirmation. He did send in Brinniel's name at one point, though, and I don't think anyone except Rune and Lommy were on to her then.
He could have just believed Brinn is an ordo who'd make a good kill. Anyway, should you try to confirm to him that he was right about me? I got the impression he doesn't know who you are yet.

Hmm there was still something I was supposed to say but I don't remember it anymore.

I'll be here till deadline.

Anyway, should you try to confirm to him that he was right about me? I got the impression he doesn't know who you are yet.

I might speculate on whether Ferny could know any of the wraith's identities by now– could he have sent in the names of people he suspected as a test?– etc.

Hmm there was still something I was supposed to say but I don't remember it anymore.

I'll be here till deadline.

So will I, though I might have to do some chores.

I might speculate on whether Ferny could know any of the wraith's identities by now– could he have sent in the names of people he suspected as a test?– etc.
Okay. And it's excusable for you as you were away two days. But you should probably also say something that has to do with Mac and me - it could always be a mere coincidence that you got the testing part right.

Argh who is the ranger? And the protected depends on the ranger... I'm just afraid Berry might be such an easy kill that the ranger has noticed it too.

Argh who is the ranger? And the protected depends on the ranger... I'm just afraid Berry might be such an easy kill that the ranger has noticed it too.

He noticed Lommy, I think, the day before she revealed– at least, that's probably why she wasn't protected the next Night. Unless, of course, he was gambling on the wraiths thinking he would protect her, but that would be a pretty silly move under the circumstances.

So we've got either a sharp Ranger or a rather foolish one. I think we need to assume the former– in which case Beregond may be too much of a risk.

Mind you, the Ranger could be protecting yours truly right now, for all we know.

He noticed Lommy, I think, the day before she revealed– at least, that's probably why she wasn't protected the next Night. Unless, of course, he was gambling on the wraiths thinking he would protect her, but that would be a pretty silly move under the circumstances.
Legate caught Lommy before she revealed.
Rune's behaviour doesn't indicate he had thought of it. He didn't understand why Legate found Brinn's defence weak.
I doubt Menel would have protected Lommy, given that he believed Brinn first.
Berry wasn't sure about who to believe.
Lari wasn't sure either.
Mira didn't really seem to react to the whole thing.

Should we go for Legate? I can always pick another suspect after being baffled for a while. If we assume the ranger had noticed her, Legate is the only one who makes sense.
Also, first Rikae and then he might point at newbie wolves.

He noticed Lommy, I think, the day before she revealed– at least, that's probably why she wasn't protected the next Night. Unless, of course, he was gambling on the wraiths thinking he would protect her, but that would be a pretty silly move under the circumstances.
Legate caught Lommy before she revealed.
Rune's behaviour doesn't indicate he had thought of it. He didn't understand why Legate found Brinn's defence weak.
I doubt Menel would have protected Lommy, given that he believed Brinn first.
Berry wasn't sure about who to believe.
Lari wasn't sure either.
Mira didn't really seem to react to the whole thing.

Should we go for Legate? I can always pick another suspect after being baffled for a while. If we assume the ranger had noticed her, Legate is the only one who makes sense.
Also, first Rikae and then he might point at newbie wolves.

Now that you set it out like that, yes, Legate looks like the best bet. He's also probably the most dangerous of the surviving good guys, so I think it's worth a try anyway.

If it's not him, it might be that it's Menel, and he's just playing dumb.

Shall we decide on Legate? We're running out of time.

He noticed Lommy, I think, the day before she revealed– at least, that's probably why she wasn't protected the next Night. Unless, of course, he was gambling on the wraiths thinking he would protect her, but that would be a pretty silly move under the circumstances.
Legate caught Lommy before she revealed.
Rune's behaviour doesn't indicate he had thought of it. He didn't understand why Legate found Brinn's defence weak.
I doubt Menel would have protected Lommy, given that he believed Brinn first.
Berry wasn't sure about who to believe.
Lari wasn't sure either.
Mira didn't really seem to react to the whole thing.

Should we go for Legate? I can always pick another suspect after being baffled for a while. If we assume the ranger had noticed her, Legate is the only one who makes sense.
Also, first Rikae and then he might point at newbie wolves.

Now that you set it out like that, yes, Legate looks like the best bet. He's also probably the most dangerous of the surviving good guys, so I think it's worth a try anyway.

If it's not him, it might be that it's Menel, and he's just playing dumb.

Shall we decide on Legate? We're running out of time.
Let's go for Legate. We can always accuse the newbies. I'll PM the name to Kit.

Let's go for Legate. We can always accuse the newbies. I'll PM the name to Kit.

Good luck!

~Nerwraith.

Let's go for Legate. We can always accuse the newbies. I'll PM the name to Kit.

Good luck!

~Nerwraith.
Good luck to you, too. I'm heading for school shortly after deadline so not sure if I post anything yet.

Let's hope we got it right.

-Mr Aggins, erm, Underhill

**

Night 8

I have to leave for school now, no time to post until after the exam.

We should probably PM Kit to ask about the ranger's ability to protect herself. It seems likely Lari came up with it only to avoid being killed (if she really could protect herself, it'd be more useful not to say it aloud & have us waste our kill), but checking won't harm us.

I came online really tired and they were all of a sudden planning to lynch you so I might have overreacted a bit. Not that it's anything strange from me at this point of the game, though. And it can always be argued, if need be, that I've never had any problem with voting for my fellows...

The voting went pretty close, although now I probably look somewhat bad for lynching an innocent yet again. I hope it didn't incriminate us too much. But I hope Mac should catch you now.

This is looking quite good.

I have to leave for school now, no time to post until after the exam.

We should probably PM Kit to ask about the ranger's ability to protect herself. It seems likely Lari came up with it only to avoid being killed (if she really could protect herself, it'd be more useful not to say it aloud & have us waste our kill), but checking won't harm us.

I'll PM Kit in a moment. Lari may have been telling the truth, and hadn't thought it through.

If Lari can indeed protect herself, how about Mira? It would frame Beregond nicely.

I came online really tired and they were all of a sudden planning to lynch you so I might have overreacted a bit. Not that it's anything strange from me at this point of the game, though. And it can always be argued, if need be, that I've never had any problem with voting for my fellows...

The voting went pretty close, although now I probably look somewhat bad for lynching an innocent yet again. I hope it didn't incriminate us too much. But I hope Mac should catch you now.

This is looking quite good.

Thanks so much for the save! I could have killed Mac! And I was just about to lead up to my "hint hint" bit when the idiot suddenly voted me.

He'd better get it now.

Still, I think it looked quite innocent of you to try and save me, considering how specious their reasons for voting me were.

*sigh* I can really sympathise with Brinn on Day One.

If Lari can indeed protect herself, how about Mira? It would frame Beregond nicely.
Could be an option. However, she's probably the most suspected right now, and if she died, people would start looking somewhere else. We might get some attention we don't want to. And there also have to be players who are suspicious enough to justify not suggesting voting for Mac in lack of anything else.

I hope we can get Lari, though. I think Kit would have told her at the beginning if she can protect herself, and she claimed she had asked her one night.

Thanks so much for the save! I could have killed Mac! And I was just about to lead up to my "hint hint" bit when the idiot suddenly voted me.

He'd better get it now.
Yeah... I was like No no no it can't end like this it's been going so well grrr come back and retract! and it was scary every time I noticed someone who hadn't voted yet had posted.
You could consider it a compliment, though - he seemed to think you looked so innocent. Or then he wanted to make you look a bit suspicious so no one would be surprised when you didn't die in the night. If that's the case, he failed miserably and should feel sorry.

Still, I think it looked quite innocent of you to try and save me, considering how specious their reasons for voting me were.
I hope so. But the village is probably getting paranoid and might soon find anything suspicious. I'm afraid someone will come up with something really incriminating after pondering a while and realising there are not so many suspicious people left anymore...

Considering each other innocent without a doubt tomorrow might be a good thing to do as then it's probably more likely that others will do so as well.
I can be properly around only during the later half of the day (but I don't have to wake up early on Friday so technically I could be here till deadline if need be). However, if you, Mac and me all happen to be online at the same time, we could of course just go and vote for someone so xe'd get three votes first. That's a boring option but easier.
And, well, if we can convince someone to retract for an innocent, it's a sure win.

If Lari can indeed protect herself, how about Mira? It would frame Beregond nicely.
Could be an option. However, she's probably the most suspected right now, and if she died, people would start looking somewhere else. We might get some attention we don't want to. And there also has to be players who are suspicious enough to justify not suggesting voting for Mac in lack of anything else.

True. Note that we can lynch Mac, though, if we need to... as long as we're able to make the kill toNight and toMorrow Night.

...Which brings us back to that pesky Ranger. It would be nice if we could get rid of her now. Just so you know, I PM'd Kit, but she hasn't got back to me yet.

Thanks so much for the save! I could have killed Mac! And I was just about to lead up to my "hint hint" bit when the idiot suddenly voted me.

He'd better get it now.
Yeah... I was like No no no it can't end like this it's been going so well grrr come back and retract! and it was scary every time I noticed someone who hadn't voted yet had posted.
You could consider it a compliment, though - he seemed to think you looked so innocent. Or then he wanted to make you look a bit suspicious so no one would be surprised when you didn't die in the night. If that's the case, he failed miserably and should feel sorry.

If I'd died, I was going to neg-rep him: "Worst. Cobbler. Ever."

I can be properly around only during the later half of the day (but I don't have to wake up early on Friday so technically I could be here till deadline if need be). However, if you, Mac and me all happen to be online at the same time, we could of course just go and vote for someone so xe'd get three votes first. That's a boring option but easier.

I'm not sure when I'll be able to get online toMorrow– it may not be for very long (family stuff again). Probably early-ish in the Day, and then again lateish.

The problem is Mac, really, or rather getting him to catch on to who we are without anyone else picking it up. At least we're now running out of experienced players.

As long as we kill someone toNight, we can keep right on suspecting Mac toMorrow: "Ferny doesn't matter anymore– we have to get a wraith toDay, look at the numbers", etc.

True. Note that we can lynch Mac, though, if we need to... as long as we're able to make the kill toNight and toMorrow Night.
Oh yes that's true. I hadn't thought so far.

...Which brings us back to that pesky Ranger. It would be nice if we could get rid of her now. Just so you know, I PM'd Kit, but she hasn't got back to me yet.
Okay thanks. I wonder what we should do if she can protect herself or Kit won't tell us. She hasn't done that any time earlier, though, so I doubt she can, but still... And if we don't kill her, we can't lynch Mac tomorrow.

Hmm looking at her lists, there are some inconsistencies. In #1022 she said she protected Brinn, Mac, no one, Mac, and me. In her next post she claims she protected Fea before protecting Mac for the first time. At the same time she indicates it happened on night 3 when Nog died.
If she's still alive tomorrow, she could be at least suspected for that.

The problem is Mac, really, or rather getting him to catch on to who we are without anyone else picking it up. At least we're now running out of experienced players.
I'm hoping he catches on my "The cobbler who's afraid of accidentally voting for a wolf, eh?" when I was speaking about his vote for you. Of course if he sends us a name tonight, you could accidentally mention it tomorrow... I've addressed him about his suggestions (or the lack of them) in my first post every day I've been a wolf and I think it's worked. That would probably be the easiest way to convince him if he doesn't know about you already.

As long as we kill someone toNight, we can keep right on suspecting Mac toMorrow: "Ferny doesn't matter anymore– we have to get a wraith toDay, look at the numbers", etc.
Yeah. Let's see how the situation looks tomorrow.

Some thoughts on people.

Lari. Should be killed if possible.

Mira. I suppose she's going after Berry tomorrow. She was apparently suspicious of Lari the day before yesterday but didn't really mention her anymore yesterday (she was barely around then, though). Rune is suspicious of her, and if we try to keep him concentrating on something else than us, Mira might be good to leave alive. While we could frame Berry by killing her, I think she's considered more suspicious than him.

Berry. Finds us innocent. Although his reaction to my complaints about them suspecting you looked innocent, he could be accused of jumping in the bandwagon the cobbler started.

Rune. Considered quite innocent. I wouldn't like to go after him tonight if we can't kill Lari, though, just because the thought of leaving only newbie innocents alive doesn't sound fair. He might be convinced to vote for Mira, though. He's the only one whose reaction to the suspicion against you we haven't seen yet, and I'm a bit worried. He's like Rikae in the sense that I always just wait for him to start suspecting me again.
He doesn't seem like a too big threat for the time being although he expressed some unease about you a few days ago.

Mac. Should be kept alive and rewarded if he does his work well.

I'll go to bed soon, I've only slept some 10 hours during the last two nights and I'm rather tired. I'll be back some 2-1,5 hours before deadline as usual, hope to see you again then.

First, the news:

1. Yes, Strider can protect himself for one Night.

2. Ferny suggests me as the kill toNight. Either he is checking us out... or yeah, Worst Cobbler Ever...

Hmm looking at her lists, there are some inconsistencies. In #1022 she said she protected Brinn, Mac, no one, Mac, and me. In her next post she claims she protected Fea before protecting Mac for the first time. At the same time she indicates it happened on night 3 when Nog died.
If she's still alive tomorrow, she could be at least suspected for that.

I made sure to point out that her being alive toMorrow wouldn't prove anything. What about if I raise that point toMorrow and you jump in to defend her? Then she'll probably be sure you're innocent and will protect you again.

Who do you feel like killing now? Beregond? Sort of a pity when Mira's all set to make a case on him... but we could suggest that she was rather clumsily laying the groundwork for getting an innocent Berry lynched, and then her packmate overruled her. Or something like that.

1. Yes, Strider can protect himself for one Night.
Ouch. I suppose she's going to pick tonight, then, as tomorrow it's so important they get a wolf. Argh I'm annoyed the Sagittarius comment set me off but I didn't realise what it meant even after Menel had come and said he did!

2. Ferny suggests me as the kill toNight. Either he is checking us out... or yeah, Worst Cobbler Ever...
Could be both. You could start complaining about Mac's wish to get you killed tomorrow or something alike?

I made sure to point out that her being alive toMorrow wouldn't prove anything. What about if I raise that point toMorrow and you jump in to defend her? Then she'll probably be sure you're innocent and will protect you again.
Okay let's do so. Mac will probably agree with you. Just be careful you don't overdo it because that would be seen as suspicious.
And, if we just get a chance, let's lynch her tomorrow. She'd deserve it, such a nasty ranger, causing us so much headache!

Who do you feel like killing now? Beregond? Sort of a pity when Mira's all set to make a case on him... but we could suggest that she was rather clumsily laying the groundwork for getting an innocent Berry lynched, and then her packmate overruled her. Or something like that.
Well he'd be a good enough choice... Especially if we want to leave also others than newbies alive. At least he isn't suspected.
His death could make Mira look more innocent but so what? The other two deaths have pretty much framed her, which was brought up yesterday, so now we can argue the wolves wanted to make a kill that doesn't point at her guilt at all.

You could start complaining about Mac's wish to get you killed tomorrow or something alike?

Yes... I wonder what kind of hint would be broad enough without being too broad?

And, if we just get a chance, let's lynch her tomorrow. She'd deserve it, such a nasty ranger, causing us so much headache!

There, there... Actually, she's been nice enough to protect the evil side most Nights, so what are you complaining about?

Who do you feel like killing now? Beregond? Sort of a pity when Mira's all set to make a case on him... but we could suggest that she was rather clumsily laying the groundwork for getting an innocent Berry lynched, and then her packmate overruled her. Or something like that.
Well he'd be a good enough choice... Especially if we want to leave also others than newbies alive. At least he isn't suspected.
His death could make Mira look more innocent but so what? The other two deaths have pretty much framed her, which was brought up yesterday, so now we can argue the wolves wanted to make a kill that doesn't point at her guilt at all.

Good thinking. Shall we lock in Berry, then?

By the way– I will have to leave soon after the start of the Day, and won't be back again for quite a while. Also, most annoyingly, I probably won't be around near the DL.

Yes... I wonder what kind of hint would be broad enough without being too broad?
Something like... "The more I think of it, the less I like Mac's suggestion to kill me. It doesn't make sense that he should want to kill one of the people Legate found innocent. Mighty cobblerish." I doubt anyone else would get it. And I can agree. Then at least he should realise it.

There, there... Actually, she's been nice enough to protect the evil side most Nights, so what are you complaining about?
Hmm actually according to her list, she protected our side every night, except when she didn't protect anyone.

Good thinking. Shall we lock in Berry, then?
Let's get him. I can PM Kit.

By the way– I will have to leave soon after the start of the Day, and won't be back again for quite a while. Also, most annoyingly, I probably won't be around near the DL.
Okay. I have to leave a few minutes before the day starts, don't know when I'll be back. Depends on how long the exam takes me. Then I'll be around for a few hours and have to leave again, but that won't take so long, and after it I can be online as long as I wish.

Even if Lari for some reason protected Berry tonight, we can win. It's about the same as if Mac was lynched tomorrow - we just need to kill someone in the night and that's it.

Anyway I hope this is our last day, then. Thanks, it's been awesome to wolf with you.

Good luck!

-Agan

Anyway I hope this is our last day, then. Thanks, it's been awesome to wolf with you.

Likewise. Whoever would have thought Frodo Baggins would make such a good wraith?

Good luck!

**

On night 9 there was little more than our decision to kill Lari.

[Beregond]

Well, good game everyone! As my first game, I enjoyed it. Thanks for keeping me alive so long! You probably shouldn't have, villagers, since I made some pretty bad choices near the end. :( Agan, you twice influenced my vote the wrong way before I really suspected you, darnit. You were very good at being innocent. And then I was dead. :p I was surprised to be killed because I was more or less helping out the wraiths, but I figured they picked me to be safe from Lari's ranger powers (didn't think that I'd been saved the day before for the opposite reason).

[Beregond]

Mirandir and Beregond- Great job as newbies. I don't know if I've ever seen two new players last as long as you both did. Very well done, hopefully I can play a game with you two in the future.

Thank you! I hope so too! Good work, Mira! Glad I wasn't the only newbie this game. :)

And thank you for giving me a rather nice (comparatively, relatively) death, Kitanna. ;)

And thanks, finally, for modding the game - it was indeed a good game! :)

[Nogrod]

Congrats to the baddies - even if you were nasty enough to kill me at the second Night of the game! :(

Although I think that was for good as I've had some quite busy times lately so this game was one more hindrance from RL down... :)

So I never had time to actually follow the game too extensively during the latter days but it was surely fun as long as it lasted - and it looked interesting from what I read of it after being killed.

Let's see if I can endure to Day3 the next time. :rolleyes:

And thanks to Kit for a fun concept!

And I agree that our first-timers were pretty good - even if there were the general and common "benefit of doubt" & good will on you. Well played Mira & Gondie!

[Brinniel]

I just realised, if I'm calculating things correctly, I was dreamt of, protected, and suggested as a kill all on the same Night. Good grief. :eek:

I'd love to post the ones that I've got but they're on my computer and it's currently very much out of commission, so be patient with me please and I'll be sure to do my best!
Aw, poor thing. I know how it is to have your computer die on you..

Btw, I have to give Sally props for her excellent song parodying. They were very much fun to read. And she even wrote another after her death when we both realised how perfectly Sweeney Todd fit into this game (it's absolutely brilliant from what I've seen so far). Though it sounds like we may have to wait awhile to see it with her computer problems (and Sally, if you no longer have the song I have the unfinished version from our chat history). She even inspired me to write some parodies of my own out of boredom...which I never do. Perhaps I'll post one or so later for the sake of amusement. :)

[Kitanna]

And she even wrote another after her death when we both realised how perfectly Sweeney Todd fit into this game (it's absolutely brilliant from what I've seen so far).
I wasn't sure if you were a Sweeney Todd fan or not, but I figured as a pie maker I should try to work that into the narration. I'd like to see the song Sally has made u for it.

[Lariren Shadow]

This is me, being late at this.

Congratulations to the baddies!

Well played to everyone!

Wow, that sounds like I should add more. I can't, however, think of anything more.

[Brinniel]

I wasn't sure if you were a Sweeney Todd fan or not, but I figured as a pie maker I should try to work that into the narration. I'd like to see the song Sally has made u for it.
Oh yes, I love Sweeney...I only hope someday I'll get to see the full musical. It's funny because when I came up with the occupation of piemaker, I had Pushing Daisies in my head, as I'm still quite disappointed that the show's been cancelled. But once I became a wraith, a piemaker from the Pie Hole no longer seemed fitting....so I guess I became Mrs. Lovett instead. It works. :D

I think Sally's almost done with the song, so hopefully we shall see it soon. Meanwhile, I'll entertain you with some of my own parodies. A tribute to my wraiths, so to speak. :)

Nerwen's Epiphany (following the death of Sally and me)

Nerwen:
They found them!
We feared of this but took the chance
I knew she’d dream them!
They hid so well and now they’ll never kill again.

Aganzir:
Easy now, there’s still hope
We’ll win this game and -

Nerwen:
When?

Aganzir:
Make them mope

Nerwen:
Why did I wait?
They told me to wait -
At least she'll never dream again.
There's something wrong with this game, everyone’s the same
It is filled with players who won’t take the blame
Instead they lynch their own and they have no shame
And they’ll lose this game...

They all deserve to die.
Tell you why, Aganzir, tell you why.
Because in all of the werewolf game
Aganzir, there are two kinds of players, only two
There's the one who likes to manipulate
And the other one who tends to suspect too late
Look at me, Aganzir, look at you.

Now we all deserve to die
Even you Aganzir...even I
And so the lives of the gifted should be made brief
For all the ordos death will be a relief
They all deserve to die.

And I'll never see Brinniel
No she'll never get to plot with us - finished!
(shouted) Alright! You sir, don’t be afraid!
Come and visit your good friend Nerwen.
You sir, too sir? Welcome to the grave.

I will have vengenance.
I will have salvation.
(shouted) Who sir, you sir?
No one’s on the gallows, come on! Come on!
Nerwen's waiting. I want you bleeding.
You sir - anybody.
Innocents now don't be shy!

And no ordos, no, no gifteds.
Nor the seer can assuage me -
I will have them!
And I will win this game no matter what it takes
I shall tear down this village, make no mistake
And my Sally lies in ashes
And I'll never see her post again.

Village, watch out!
I am hungry now!
And I'm full of hate!

[Brinniel]

Oh, and I'm also a big fan of Wicked, so...

Aganzir's Song

Something has changed within me.
Something is not the same.
I'm through with playing by the rules of the village’s game.
Too late, I can’t change back now.
ToNight I’ll no longer sleep!
It's time to trust my fellow wolves
Try out my paws, and creep!
It's time to try defying innocence.
I think I'll try defying innocence, and you won’t catch me now!

I've turned and won’t reveal now,
'Cuz Nogrod says I should!
The other wolves I will avenge,
I’ll win this game and take my bow!
Too long I've been afraid of
getting killed, but this time I’m cursed!
Now, I’m the wolf, I’ll kill no matter what the cost!
I'd sooner buy defying innocence
Bite me, I’m cursed!
I'm defying innocence, and you won’t find me now!

So if you care to find me
Just wait until the Night!
As Sally told me lately:
"Ev'ry village deserves the chance to die!"
And if I am suspected,
At least I’ve not been dreamed.
To those who'd lynch me,
You better watch out for me:
I’ll lynch you ‘cuz I’m
Defying innocence!
I am a cursed,
Defying innocence!
And I’ll kill everyone in town.
And nobody in, all of Bree.
No Seer that will ever see.
Is ever gonna bring me down!

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Now we just have to wait for Sally... ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sally owes me a "No Good Deed" parody. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Sally owes me a "No Good Deed" parody. :p


Aw, come on, man. Let a girl sleep. ;)


I have it done, I just need to make sure that it doesn't say "Mr. Todd" any longer in any spots. Probably up sometime today, but I'm sick so it'll probably be later tonight. Sorry.

[Aganzir]

Brinn those are awesome! :D Unfortunately I've never seen Wicked, though. But I'll look up the original song on youtube when I have a bit more time.

[Brinniel]

Unfortunately I've never seen Wicked, though. But I'll look up the original song on youtube when I have a bit more time.
It's not actually the full song; I didn't bother to add in Glinda's part. But you can watch the original version here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g4ekwTd6Ig) Apparently, a film version of the musical has been announced...let's see how that works out.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The song that that's based on is actually my theme song... :p

[satansaloser2005]

BRINN:
Seems a downright shame...
SALLY:
Shame?
BRINN:
Seems an awful waste....
Such a nice, plump frame
Wot's 'is name has.... Had....Has!
Nor it can't be traced....
Wraithies need our fill,
Ordos need erased....
Takes a bit of skill,
But a thrill,
When we get our kill!
Seems an awful waste....
I mean, with the price of meat
What it is, when you get it, if you get it....
SALLY:
Ha!
BRINN:
Good, you got it!
Take, for instance, Little Agan and that Nerwen!
Killing villagers that only have a couple posts!
Like that Shasta, good for maybe six or seven at the most!
Then again I can't account for taste!

SALLY:
Brinnie darling, what a charming notion
BRINN:
Well, it does seem a waste...
SALLY:
Eminently practical
And yet appropriate as always!
BRINN:
It's an idea...
SALLY:
Dearest Brinniel, how I've lived
Without you all these years, I'll never know!
How delectable!
Also undetectable!
BRINN:
Think about it!
Lots of other players'll
Soon be joinin' in the game,
Won't they?
Think of
All them
Pies!
SALLY:
How choice!
How rare!
SALLY:
For what's the sound of the world out there?
BRINN:
What, Sally dear?
What, Sally dear?
What is that sound?
SALLY:
Those crunching noises pervading the air!
BRINN:
Yes, Sally dear!
Yes, Sally dear!
Yes, all around!
SALLY:
It's ordo devouring ordo, my dear!
BOTH:
And who are we to deny it in here?

SALLY: (spoken)
These are desperate times,
my dear packmate, and desperate measures are called for!
BRINN:
Here we are, now! Hot out of the oven!
SALLY:
What is that?
BRINN:
It's Green. Have a little Green.
SALLY:
Is it really good?
BRINN:
She's so good it's obscene
Then again she never rings anyone's bells,
So she's hard to sell
SALLY:
Smells a bit like Finn
BRINN:
Well, that's where it's been
SALLY:
Haven't you got Lommie, or something like that?
BRINN:
No, y'see, the trouble with Lommie is
How do you know whom she's dreamed?
Try the Green!

BRINN:
Lari's rather nice.
SALLY:
If it's for a price.
BRINN:
Get another portion to savor,
Since no one can save herself twice!
SALLY:
Any other Finn?
BRINN:
Well, then, if you're Finnish and silly,
You might enjoy Fillet Noggins!
Games are fun with him.
But he's always suspect before he begins!
SALLY:
Is that Legate,
In a baguette?
BRINN:
Mercy no, ma'am, too fleeting.
It's Fea you're seeing!
SALLY:
Looks clearer,
More like Mira!
BRINN:
No,sir it has to be Fea
It's steamed!
SALLY:
The history of the world, my love
BRINN:
Kill off all the pros
Do a couple newbies a favor!
SALLY:
Is those below serving those up above!
BRINN:
Ev'rybody plays,
So there should be plenty of flavors!
SALLY:
I'm sure the Downers'll be glad to hear
BOTH:
That even Menel goes down well with beer!

SALLY:
What is that?
BRINN:
It's Rune
Eat it with a spoon
And we have some Mac and cheese peppered
With actual Mac bits! (What a loon!)
And I've just begun
Here's a little Rikae, so tricky
It comes a bit sticky
Have one!
SALLY:
Let her have her fun.
She'll be lynched before she and Sally are done!
BRINN:
In a hurry?
Try the Durie!
SALLY:
Yes I hear it is very
good when served with Berrie!
BRINN:
Or Gollum,
Much less solemn!
SALLY:
Yes, but only tastes good on the run!
I'll come again when you have Kit on the menu!

SALLY:
Have enmity towards the village, my pet!
BRINN:
Yes, yes, I know, my love!
SALLY:
We'll take the ordo kills that we can get!
BRINN:
Hobbit and man, my love!
SALLY:
We'll not discriminate great from small!
No, we'll slay anyone,
Meaning anyone,
BOTH:
And to anyone
At all!

[Lariren Shadow]

I think I love you Sally for doing that. Cause that is one of my favorite songs from Sweeney. And it will be in my head for the rest of the day.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I think I love you Sally for doing that. Cause that is one of my favorite songs from Sweeney. And it will be in my head for the rest of the day.

Ditto. I found myself singing along to it.

[satansaloser2005]

Duck here.

*everyone ducks*

No, not that kind of duck. This one. *quack*

This is the first game I've fully stalked in a while, so I had to wish everyone a great job and thank my Lady Host (sally) for letting me help her spam while she was unable to.

Now, if anyone would like to make a stab at however many different references she/I crammed into our bout of collective madness on That Fateful Day, I shall offer a bit of Tolkien fanfic to the person with the highest number of correct guesses. (At least 300 words, on a topic of his/her request, as long as it fits Downs standards)

That is all. Back to your regularly scheduled Downsing.


ETA: Takers (and I hope there are some!) at the Obscure Reference Game should probably PM their guesses. And search engines are cheating!

[satansaloser2005]

I think I love you Sally for doing that. Cause that is one of my favorite songs from Sweeney. And it will be in my head for the rest of the day.

Heh my ultimate plan. ;)

[Mirandir]

I think I love you Sally for doing that. Cause that is one of my favorite songs from Sweeney. And it will be in my head for the rest of the day.

Definitely had to watch that movie today (FINALLY) since it's been stuck in my head for so long AND NOBODY ON MY CAMPUS SEEMED TO HAVE A COPY AVAILABLE. *deep breath* :p