Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Mnemosyne]

Rikae,

Don't forget that anyone dreamed innocent could be a black pawn.

Otherwise, I'm with you.

I know that I'm a White Pawn, but unlike sally I don't expect you to believe me because of me not lying or whatever.

Which would (for me) narrow it down to Fea, Brinn, and Dury.

However, if neither you nor sally are lying, I think that since the baddies all realize what you've just posted up above they're going to try to discredit both of you as much as possible. Including through leaving you alive.

So while I'd be more than willing to lynch one of the three I listed above (especially Fea*) I'm not sure if that's a good long-term strategy.

*what was that facade comment from her earlier?

[Mnemosyne]

Wow. First game on the site and Mnem is already wishing to fight someone. :eek:

Should we set up a cage and place bets?

Winner gets Phantom?

phantom, sweetheart, that's not how girls fight. That's just a Hollywood fabrication to bring males into otherwise boring chickflicks.

[Mnemosyne]

Technically, he never said there was only one of each. But having doubles of something; other than an ordo - it seems like it would put things off balance.


X'd with Rikae and phantom

Yes, unless since one Hunter got killed Night One he decided to create another. *facepalm* sally's theories are soooooo cracked, but I simply cannot disprove them and say outright that she's lying.

I'm putting my faith in my interpretation of Kathl's dream. If I'm right, then sally is a cobbler at worst and should be ignored for the time being.

Let's put some focus on some of the other players already, k?

Who wants to analyze me?

[satansaloser2005]

Please, no more downer couples. I don't want anyone stealing my thunder on my wedding day. [/bridezilla] ;)

Sally is almost convincing me, which is an impressive feat, considering there is no second hunter in this game!

I'm on Izzy, indeed. Tonight I will hunt her, if she's left alive, unless I decide to hunt somebody else, or be really bold and dream instead... you never know which way I'll go. :cool:

If Sally is what she says (and I have to admit, the "I don't lie about my role" thing is very unsporting if she isn't), there are a cobbler, a black rook, and a werebear among these people:

Durelin
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
Mnemosyne

Those are actually fairly good odds.

EDIT: X'd with Phantom and Izzy



Exactly. See? We're really not in that much trouble.

I'm normally not this out there as a gifted but I knew if I had any chance of being believe at all I'd have to come on darn strong. From the moment I got my PM from Shasta on Night Two I knew I was going to die, so either I'd get lynched by the village for 'lying about my role' or I'd stay quiet and the wolves would kill me.

The facts. Heh, Phantom style. ;)

I am the White Rook.
I was switched Night Two, after Nerwen's death. And I mean after, as in I got my PM either right at or shortly after deadline. I don't know why it was specifically me that was switched, only that I became Nerwen's replacement.
I then acted as crazy as possible so I would have a better idea who to hunt.
I hunted Brinn, as was obvious by my last posts.
I was dreamed by Kath, who PM'd me twice I believe.
Her dreams from the first two Nights were Phantom and Noggie.
Phantom appeared as a white pawn, Noggie as....well, she didn't say, but we can assume he appeared as White Knight, since that was his role.
I am not saying who she dreamed the last Night, only that it was not Izzy. I do not know the role of this person via Kath's dream because she obviously died before she could hint at it in her first post of the Day.
My current hunt pick is obvious, and I refuse to say it flat out unless I am under extreme duress (or tickling).


Those are the facts. Do with them what you like.

Oh, and I don't want to lynch Izzy. Let Rikae take down the known wolf and I'll hunt another main suspect. Like I said, I'm up for suggestions, though the decision in the end will obviously be my own. We'll kill one of those listed above and Rikae and I will keep you updated on our picks so, if one of us dies, that person is either killed or exonerated.


We can do this, people.



EDIT: I became hunter on night 3, not 2. Sorry, I got the numbering mixed up because for me the game didn't start until day one so my counting was off. Whoops. Thanks for correcting me, Shasta dear.

[the phantom]

phantom, sweetheart, that's not how girls fight. That's just a Hollywood fabrication to bring males into otherwise boring chickflicks.
Don't you take away my dreams! It's a free country! I have a right to believe in what I want!

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom, darling, the prize is supposed to be something the winner would want.

[Rikae]

Phantom, it's the Hunter thing. If she is good, it kind of backfired to say the least, since it's what made me reveal at all.

And I think I was pretty clear in my reveal, you know. I usually go for something a little more entertaining with a reveal, but I was flustered by Sally's hunter business. :mad:

Anyway, it may not be a bad idea to lynch one of those four after all. You know where I stand on Izzy, tp and Wilwa; we know what Sally claims to be. The night's events may shed some light on things, and give us a chance, if we have two gifteds, to keep both.

Anyway, out of the four, I get the most innocentish feel from Mnemo. Ah, it just occurred to me (I keep forgetting it) that we don't know the cobbler is among them at all. The werebear, however, definitely is, and if Sally is what she says, a wolf is, too.

EDIT: X'd with all since "winner gets Phantom"

[the phantom]

But you see, Sally, a "winner" would want that.

*snicker*

[Mnemosyne]

Don't you take away my dreams! It's a free country! I have a right to believe in what I want!

This is Mordor, not the good old U. S. of A.

Although I'm glad to see you exercising your fundamental right as an American to be stupid.

[satansaloser2005]

But you see, Sally, a "winner" would want that.

*snicker*

I must at this point withdraw from the game due to extreme illness, brought on by an accidental dosage of horse manure.

[Isabellkya]

Question Sally.
If you were in contact with Kath like you say - then why did you follow her in lynching an innocent Hansy?


X'd since Mnemosyne's #753

[satansaloser2005]

Question Sally.
If you were in contact with Kath like you say - then why did you follow her in lynching an innocent Hansy?

At the time I hadn't been dreamed, or rather I'd been dreamed but I wasn't a gifted at the time so she couldn't PM me. And she hadn't dreamed Hansy yet, so even if I had been talking to her it would have only been our hunches, not actual information.

AND I thought he was guilty. :p


Why exactly is it bad to follow the seer again?


Wait. Why am I even responding to Izzy?:smokin:

[Mnemosyne]

Rikae, your plan sounds good, but I still don't want to do anything even remotely trust-like until you give whatever explanation you have for the Day Two lynch. And it may be none. If I'm going along and believing sally here that means that I must fully expect our Noble Mod to mess with our heads. But. I'd still like your thoughts on the matter. If Izzy is as guilty as you say, why was she saved?

Might there be another gifted role?

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, I know I didn't express this plainly, so I'll tell you now.



Kath's dreams
Night One: Phantom (white pawn)
Night Two: Noggie (white knight)
Night Three: Sally (white pawn)

Then I was switched at the end of Night Three so we weren't able to communicate until last Night. Hope that clears things up a bit.


ETA: Sorry for stealing your post-game thunder, Kath, dear. Now you have no yummy secrets for the village later.

[satansaloser2005]

Rikae, your plan sounds good, but I still don't want to do anything even remotely trust-like until you give whatever explanation you have for the Day Two lynch. And it may be none. If I'm going along and believing sally here that means that I must fully expect our Noble Mod to mess with our heads. But. I'd still like your thoughts on the matter. If Izzy is as guilty as you say, why was she saved?

Might there be another gifted role?

The Black Queen may be involved somehow? Dunno.

[the phantom]

Although I'm glad to see you exercising your fundamental right as an American to be stupid.
Better be stupid and free than enslaved by a system run by people just as stupid as you are. :p

And wait- now you two are saying that we can look at other people? As in, Dury?

So I can possibly have my revenge on her after all! She played the "he's manipulating people" card on me yesterday just as an excuse to bump me off. I have so not been in control of things this game, and she knows it good and well! Grrr... I should go and prepare a biased case against her. :mad:

But it will have to wait. I have to go to a Pawns United charity dinner. They'll be discussing important issues such as discrimination against pieces of other colors, Pawn abuse, and non-violent methods of square acquisition.

(i.e. I have a RL obligation)

I shall be back for the last two hours for sure- possibly three.

[Isabellkya]

Mnemosyne - I fail to believe that Shasta would add in another role on a whim; because the role in question died early. I also fail to believe that Sally was intended to become a Rook at some point. It makes things off balance.


X'd with everything since my last post.

[Mnemosyne]

Sally, I didn't ask you. I asked Rikae.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, I didn't ask you. I asked Rikae.

I know, but I'd been wondering and wanted to put in my two cents.


*raspberries*

[Rikae]

Rikae, your plan sounds good, but I still don't want to do anything even remotely trust-like until you give whatever explanation you have for the Day Two lynch. And it may be none. If I'm going along and believing sally here that means that I must fully expect our Noble Mod to mess with our heads. But. I'd still like your thoughts on the matter. If Izzy is as guilty as you say, why was she saved?

Might there be another gifted role?

I thought I was answering before - specifically, when I said "you actually have a good point". That's part of what made me rethink Sally - there is obviously something going on in this game I don't know about. I do know that Izzy's survival was the survival of a wolf, but that's it.

Something that did occur to me was that the black knight might have the ability to protect during a lynch under some circumstance... or, like Sally said, maybe the Black Queen had something to do with it. Izzy being evil, an evil explanation makes some sense.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, Rikae, thanks for clarifying.

I am inclined to trust you for the rest of toDay.

Though it'd be awful if wilwa (who said she may not be able to make it on for the rest of the Day) were the real WQ and thus can't reveal.

[Mnemosyne]

And the black knight lynch-protecting would make some sense as well.

[Isabellkya]

I don't believe how you are laying these explanations out Sally You say one thing, then another, then a completely different other one.

Besides, you are overlooking all of the reasons in to which Rikae is lying.


X'd since my last post.. again.

[satansaloser2005]

I don't believe how you are laying these explanations out Sally You say one thing, then another, then a completely different other one.

Besides, you are overlooking all of the reasons in to which Rikae is lying.


X'd since my last post.. again.


I'm not contradicting, at least on my explanations. I did mess up the night on which I was 'turned' but corrected it immediately.

If Rikae's lying we'll know. She makes sense and I'm inclined to believe her based on something I saw in her posts earlier so I'll go along with it.


You're a sweet girl but I'm ignoring you now, kthnxbye. You nasty wolf you. ;)

[Brinniel]

Ooh, a false reveal. I was wondering when this was going to happen.

:D

Now I think I know two Black pieces. And if we can eliminate them, then we'll be cutting our enemies in half. A very good outlook indeed so long as the rest of us won't let the baddies convince us otherwise.

Though it'd be awful if wilwa (who said she may not be able to make it on for the rest of the Day) were the real WQ and thus can't reveal.
If wilwa were the WQ and around, should she reveal? It might be a good idea for the WQ to remain in the shadows unless her own life is being threatened.

(Okay I have this nasty headache and am feeling a bit dizzy right now, so bear with me. I'm trying to keep up despite the pain...but three pages in the few hours I was gone? Good grief. :eek: )

[satansaloser2005]

I'd just like to point out that my new icon is fabulous.


And changed to it because Phantom was a loser and ditched us tonight. ;)

[Isabellkya]

Crunch the numbers.. it doesn't add up.

*wanders off to make dinner*

[Mnemosyne]

Crunch the numbers.. it doesn't add up.

How do you mean?

[Durelin]

Ooh, a false reveal. I was wondering when this was going to happen.

Now I think I know two Black pieces. And if we can eliminate them, then we'll be cutting our enemies in half. A very good outlook indeed so long as the rest of us won't let the baddies convince us otherwise.

So who are you then???

So I am inclined right now to believe Rikae. Her behavior goes along with her claimed role, I think, anyway, except for the rather hurried reveal. She does seem to be busy, though...

I have no idea about Sally. I've been wondering about her being the Black Queen.

phantom, I think you're a cobbler. You still have yet to say, I believe, what color pawn you are. :p

Also, just a note because of that:

Kath's dreams
Night One: Phantom (white pawn)
Night Two: Noggie (white knight)
Night Three: Sally (white pawn)

You said earlier that phantom was dream of as a White Pawn, as well. Which shouldn't happen. It should just be "pawn"/"innocent". Yes, I am being picky.

Also, if you were just dreamt as a White Pawn.....?

[Brinniel]

One reason I can say why Rikae is obviously lying is because if Kath didn't dream of Sally, who could she have possibly dreamt of? Kath wouldn't leave us clues for the first two Days, then none for Day 3; she's not that type of seer. Her sudden turnaround towards Sally's innocence clearly indicates that she dreamt of her. Kath never mentioned anyone else's innocence on Day 3 and if she dreamt of a baddie, she would've voted for them.

I'm trying to decide whether to lynch Rikae because she could possibly be the Black Pawn. Then again, she could be another Black piece impersonating the cobbler. I don't like how these reveals leave us distracted; we cannot only focus on them. When I'm feeling better, I will analyse Fea...I still prefer lynching her. And if not Fea, then Rikae.

[Mnemosyne]

Brinn, I'm up for Fea, too. I do not want to lynch Rikae; I want to see what (if anything) happens to her at Night.

[Durelin]

One reason I can say why Rikae is obviously lying is because if Kath didn't dream of Sally, who could she have possibly dreamt of? Kath wouldn't leave us clues for the first two Days, then none for Day 3; she's not that type of seer. Her sudden turnaround towards Sally's innocence clearly indicates that she dreamt of her. Kath never mentioned anyone else's innocence on Day 3 and if she dreamt of a baddie, she would've voted for them.

You're missing the point where Rikae's reveal doesn't actually have to conflict with Sally's innocence. She does not claim to have dreamt Sally. Sally claims she is a second hunter, and even seems to believe Rikae. The problem lies in there being a second hunter!

[Brinniel]

Yes, she didn't dream of Sally. So why vote her instead of Izzy when Kath's dreams point towards Sally's innocence?

[Rikae]

Dury, you are being picky. Actually, my dreams of pawns came back "White Pawn", so that makes me trust Sally more.

I could vote for Fea, I suppose. She seems more cobblerish than anything worse, though.

[Durelin]

Brinn and Fea have both been very hung up on the seer dreams as 'proof' against Rikae. If Rikae's telling the truth, I wonder about them a bit. I mean I'm a skeptic as well, we should be, but both Rikae and Sally's claims fit fine with the seer dreams.

Except that Sally claims to be a second hunter. Grahhhh??

Anyone else like to reveal?

I call Evil Wizard!

[Durelin]

Dury, you are being picky. Actually, my dreams of pawns came back "White Pawn", so that makes me trust Sally more.

Well, sorry, how am I to know?

But that is interesting.

See? I did good.

Or just I'm the only one who thought Shasta would use a more neutral term. But then, that the cobbler just shows up as 'innocent' can mean they just show up as 'white pawn'...

[Isabellkya]

What is wrong with following the seer?

Nothing if you are following a dream result. If you are following them purely based on them being the seer; then there is definitely something odd and off. Just because they are the seer does not in any way make them all-knowing and infallible. Furthermore, it shows that you are not actively searching for baddies; but sitting back and twiddling your thumbs.

If you were dreamed of by Kath as you claim Sally; and as a white pawn. Then, I think that would mean you would not be able to be in contact with her. As it states the Bishop may contact one whom she has dreamed of - if they are a Gifted. But since you claim the result was a White Pawn; how exactly is that a Gifted?

X'd with Durelin

[Durelin]

So. Why are we not voting for a known wolf?

What do ye mean here:

Anyway, it may not be a bad idea to lynch one of those four after all. You know where I stand on Izzy, tp and Wilwa; we know what Sally claims to be. The night's events may shed some light on things, and give us a chance, if we have two gifteds, to keep both.

You mean, have both of you survive the night...?

If you were dreamed of by Kath as you claim Sally; and as a white pawn. Then, I think that would mean you would not be able to be in contact with her. As it states the Bishop may contact one whom she has dreamed of - if they are a Gifted. But since you claim the result was a White Pawn; how exactly is that a Gifted?

Regardless of Izzy's identity, I would like to hear about that, too!

[Rikae]

You mean, have both of you survive the night...?

I guess the only way that could happen is if Izzy was protected last Night, and so can't be toNight. Could be, though. I don't think they'd sacrifice Izzy and take a chance on us lynching the last wolf toMorrow if they don't have to.

[Brinniel]

If you were dreamed of by Kath as you claim Sally; and as a white pawn. Then, I think that would mean you would not be able to be in contact with her. As it states the Bishop may contact one whom she has dreamed of - if they are a Gifted. But since you claim the result was a White Pawn; how exactly is that a Gifted?

I believe Sally already answered this:

Then I was switched at the end of Night Three so we weren't able to communicate until last Night. Hope that clears things up a bit.
She's saying that she was turned after Kath dreamt of her, which is why she appeared as a white pawn and they couldn't communicate.

[Isabellkya]

To Brinn. Which it doesn't add up.
Kath wouldn't of known her to be a Gifted. So she wouldn't of been able to communicate with her. The only way that could've happened - is if Kath dreamed of her again.

[Durelin]

I guess the only way that could happen is if Izzy was protected last Night, and so can't be toNight. Could be, though. I don't think they'd sacrifice Izzy and take a chance on us lynching the last wolf toMorrow if they don't have to.

So why not lynch Izzy toDay? Unless she can be protected from lynch again...then how do we kill a darned wolf??

She's saying that she was turned after Kath dreamt of her, which is why she appeared as a white pawn and they couldn't communicate.

It does seem weird that she would bother saying Kath dreamt her as a white pawn on night 3 and then was changed to a hunter at the end of it. But none of it makes any sense. Pieces only get upgraded in checkers, right? :rolleyes:

Edit: Crossed. Izzy has a good point. And even if she is a wolf, she'd have no love for the BQ.

[satansaloser2005]

What is wrong with following the seer?

Nothing if you are following a dream result. If you are following them purely based on them being the seer; then there is definitely something odd and off. Just because they are the seer does not in any way make them all-knowing and infallible. Furthermore, it shows that you are not actively searching for baddies; but sitting back and twiddling your thumbs.

If you were dreamed of by Kath as you claim Sally; and as a white pawn. Then, I think that would mean you would not be able to be in contact with her. As it states the Bishop may contact one whom she has dreamed of - if they are a Gifted. But since you claim the result was a White Pawn; how exactly is that a Gifted?

X'd with Durelin



Ah. I thought I'd explained that well, but I guess not.


I was dreamt night three, when I was still an ordo. I was changed at the END of night three. Frankly, I don't know how it works.

Kath would have gotten the dream back as 'white pawn', but then when I was changed I suppose Shasta updated her dream. Or else he did something really cracky that I couldn't possibly guess.

Basically I don't know how it works. I got a PM at Day Four's dawn and was told I was the new white rook. I got a PM from Kath the next Night saying that she'd dreamt me the Night before and she was able to PM me now.

[satansaloser2005]

EDIT: Post currently under edit, as dictated by the mod. Thank you for your patience.



Straight from Shasta, via IM.


"Kath (and the Black Bishop) got/get their dreams at the very beginning of the Day, and since you can't PM during the Day...."


There's the explanation, children. :)

[Durelin]

That's really not fair, you know.

[satansaloser2005]

That's really not fair, you know.


THAT was a mistake. But I agree; I didn't mean to copy the whole conversation. It's edited now, and hopefully no one else saw anything. Sorry about that.

[Durelin]

THAT was a mistake.

Why?

[satansaloser2005]

Why?

Shasta told me to feel free to post the explanation so the rules and such would be cleared up for everyone. I copied it and posted into the thread, but didn't edit out 'that bit'.

I think we should drop it, just because it's gone and I'm hoping that no one else saw it. I intended to edit it before anyone saw it but you're a quick one.

[Durelin]

Oh, nvm, thought you meant something else.

[satansaloser2005]

Here's something I've been wondering about.

Mnemo's more than happy to point out my role to everyone (not that I'm complaining, as I was getting so darn frustrated) but other than that I can't see a whole lot that's helpful about her. She voted all three Days for the lynchee, all three of them innocent, but I don't think she's the kind to just follow a bad Izzy blindly. What do you all think about her being the Black Queen? I'm not sold on the idea, but it's worth considering, and I wanted input from the rest of you.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, nvm, thought you meant something else.

No, I understand. Don't worry about it, and sorry again for my mistake.


On with the game? On with the game. :)

[Mnemosyne]

Mnemo's more than happy to point out my role to everyone (not that I'm complaining, as I was getting so darn frustrated) but other than that I can't see a whole lot that's helpful about her. She voted all three Days for the lynchee, all three of them innocent, but I don't think she's the kind to just follow a bad Izzy blindly. What do you all think about her being the Black Queen? I'm not sold on the idea, but it's worth considering, and I wanted input from the rest of you.

False. I only voted for the lynchee yesterDay.

[satansaloser2005]

I would just like to point out that Sally (that's me!:D), Mnemo, and Phantom have over half the posts in the thread. In that order. It's mostly the loud players left, yet no one is even close to us in post count.


Yes, Rikae, that is a challenge. Speak you minds and speak them often for games are seldom won by silent players.

[satansaloser2005]

False. I only voted for the lynchee yesterDay.

I'm retarded. I looked at the wrong list. You voted for innocents each Day.

[Rikae]

Oh no, Sally, not again. That got me in trouble last time.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Or just I'm the only one who thought Shasta would use a more neutral term. But then, that the cobbler just shows up as 'innocent' can mean they just show up as 'white pawn'...

Perhaps you got hung up about the exact wording that Shasta uses when telling Seers their dreams because you are the Black Seer and Rikae's comments were inconsistent with the way you've been receiving news all game?

Just a hypothesis, of course. *glares*

I know I'm being stubborn. I do. I'm being the dog-with-a-bone I accused Nog of being earlier in the game. I just learned my lesson already about not following through on my intuition. If you turn out to be a wolf and I don't try to get you killed, Durelin, then the wolves deserve a sweeping victory.

She's saying that she was turned after Kath dreamt of her, which is why she appeared as a white pawn and they couldn't communicate.

This would make sense, except it's killing me to admit that there might be another White Hunter. I mean... why the eff would there be?

It really doesn't seem fair to just create roles willy nilly once players have been fairly killed on either side of the board. It would be like if Shasta was sitting around going, "Well, I really wanted the wolf team to win, so even though the village just killed the last one, I think I'll deputize this player."

I don't like it.

I mean... I'd be all for believing in the honesty of Good players if I wasn't so unsure of Sally. It just... seems like such a cobbler thing to do. And what cobbler wouldn't want to go down in history as the one who convinced an entire village, including the gifted good guys, that xe had a good role that didn't exist?

I just... I'm hesitant, is all. Especially when I'm so convinced of Durelin's guilt, but nobody else seems to hear me when I talk about it.

You can't all be wolves, so what's with this ignore Fea routine?

I mean... I know that it all hinges on the wolves thinking the same things about Kath that I suspected, but Durelin's careful reference to solely the two players that we're all pretty settled on as being dreamed of?

It seems way to good to be true.

And yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I don't also think Izzy's a good lynch choice, because you'll notice that I've been trying to lynch her for a while now, but I'm so much more convinced of Durelin.

I want to believe Rikae, so if she tells me flat out that I must vote Izzy toDay, I'm not going to butt heads with her: we'll find out fast if she was lying, if Izzy turns out to be a good guy.

The only way that could've happened - is if Kath dreamed of her again.

Or if the dreamed-of status sticks and the dreamers get updates as roles shift. I don't know if this is true, because as I've made abundantly clear, I have absolutely no clue what's going on, apart from a bunch of people saying things that seem too good to be true... :rolleyes:

Basically I don't know how it works. I got a PM at Day Four's dawn and was told I was the new white rook. I got a PM from Kath the next Night saying that she'd dreamt me the Night before and she was able to PM me now.

In a really twisted way, this makes so much sense.

I'm baffled.

[Mnemosyne]

On the contrary, Fea. Statistically (from my pov, and I'm assuming myself innocent), if Rikae is telling the truth, there's a 75% chance that Duri is either the Queen, the Bishop, or the Knight. Unfortunately the same applies to you, dear.

[satansaloser2005]

I think Durie more evil though, little Mnemo.

I think I'll go ahead and rank the unknowns, most guilty to least.

Durie
Mnemo
Brinn
Fea


Definitely subject to change, but that's kind of what I'm feeling now.

[Isabellkya]

That explanation doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit the rules and information as stated on the Admin thread. I don't see why a Seer would be updated on the status/alignment of their dream target.

I think it is a bunch of hogwash.

Though, I think a line taken from Sam would fit much better in here.


X'd with Sally

[Durelin]

I mean... I know that it all hinges on the wolves thinking the same things about Kath that I suspected, but Durelin's careful reference to solely the two players that we're all pretty settled on as being dreamed of?

This hinges on a lot more than just the wolves thinking exactly like you do (hmm, interesting though... :p). For one thing it hinges on me deciding only at the beginning of that Day and not before that Kath was the seer and she dreamed of phantom and Sally. Because otherwise then she'd have been dead a night earlier. Which is a bit much to assume, as well.

And why try and get them lynched if I'm a wolf/werecreature when they can be killed more easily at night?

Stop playing Cicero. There's no big conspiracy based around the seer dreams. The death and destruction that would result from said conspiracy isn't there - namely that Kath was not killed till last night and phantom and Sally are both still alive. I am not that inept in that regard. Though mabye Catiline really was, who knows.

Maybe I should take it as a compliment that you don't think I can just be wrong? :p

[satansaloser2005]

That explanation doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit the rules and information as stated on the Admin thread. I don't see why a Seer would be updated on the status/alignment of their dream target.

I think it is a bunch of hogwash.

Though, I think a line taken from Sam would fit much better in here.

According to Shasta, that's not what happened.

Keep in mind that what I'd said before was my best guess.

Kath received the PM regarding me being the Rook at Day 4 Dawn, so she didn't have a chance to PM me until the next Night.

Thus saith Shasta. That's all I know though, sorry.

[Rikae]

Fea → Dury
Wilwa → Mnemi
Rikae → Sally


Still to vote: Phantom, Izzy, Mnemi, Fea, Brinn, Dury


I think we need some kind of consensus here. Otherwise, it's too easy for Izzy and the cobbler to snipe someone at DL.


Fea, I have no objection you voting for Durelin. I could possibly switch to her myself. *points to post about “if Sally is good, there's a wolf and a bear among her, you, Mnemi and Brinn”* She's not my top suspect out of those, though. My list, from most to least suspicious, is more like:


Brinn
Fea
Durelin
Mnemi

[satansaloser2005]

Fea → Dury
Wilwa → Mnemi
Rikae → Sally


Still to vote: Phantom, Izzy, Mnemi, Fea, Brinn, Dury


I think we need some kind of consensus here. Otherwise, it's too easy for Izzy and the cobbler to snipe someone at DL.


Fea, I have no objection you voting for Durelin. I could possibly switch to her myself. points to post about “if Sally is good, there's a wolf and a bear among her, you, Mnemi and Brinn” She's not my top suspect out of those, though. My list, from most to least suspicious, is more like:


Brinn
Fea
Durelin
Mnemi


Well, if my opinion matters at all I'm totally up for a Durie lynch.

[Isabellkya]

Well which is it Sally?
At first you said you were dreamed as a White Pawn.
Now you say you were dreamed a White Rook.

What else are you being untruthful about?

[Mnemosyne]

Well, if we can consense soon that'd be marvellous. I'm ill, and really need bed.

[satansaloser2005]

Well which is it Sally?
At first you said you were dreamed as a White Pawn.
Now you say you were dreamed a White Rook.

What else are you being untruthful about?

Nothing. You saw what Shasta said, and it was different than what I originally understood the situation to be.


Izzy, you're evil. I'm not. This is law according to the combined seers. Enjoy being killed. ;)


(And I'll still send you cookies if you like!:))

[Brinniel]

Sally- I've been wondering about Mnemo as well. It's strange how she seemed so eager to point out that you might be a second hunter. An innocent would typically want to keep from stating such thoughts aloud. I think it'd be smart to take a closer look at her, though she's not my top priority at the moment.

[satansaloser2005]

Mnemo:


Vote and go to bed, or I'm stealing your internet cord and voting for you.


(By that I mean ++Mnemo, not I'll cast her vote for her. Bah, you know what I mean....)

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and I should point out that Mnemo and Brinn are reversible on my list. Right now I'm more concerned about Mnemo, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten about Brinn. Just for clarification.

[Mnemosyne]

Not till there's a consensus. I know that Brinn and Duri would be willing to go for Fea (as would I), but I'd rather go after someone that the people I'm actually trusting at the moment would like to go after.

[satansaloser2005]

I suppose I could go for Fea, but only if it's the village wish. If so, then I'll go along with it and hope that my pick will even it out, should I die in the Night.

I'd still prefer Durie though, and I think Rikae may support that lynch as well. Am I correct in this?


EDIT: sentence structure

[Durelin]

Lynch me, and you're down another innocent, AND you learn nothing. No roles are proven. All the baddies are still around.

Rely on probability if you want. But maybe a better way of doing that would be to actually, genuinely randomly choose from us remaining 'unknowns'. :rolleyes:

[Isabellkya]

Actually, no. I didn't see what Shasta said. Only what you claim he said.

'tis fine. You got caught in a lie. xD


X'd since Mnemosyne's #820

[satansaloser2005]

Lynch me, and you're down another innocent, AND you learn nothing. No roles are proven. All the baddies are still around.

Rely on probability if you want. But maybe a better way of doing that would be to actually, genuinely randomly choose from us remaining 'unknowns'. :rolleyes:

Between the four of you unknowns, two of you are bad. I'll take the 50/50 chance, risky as it may seem.

[Durelin]

And before you lynch me you'd better tell me why you suspect me, all of you! Yes, all of you!

You're going to have to work at this, and not just come to a dandy ol' consensus. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd still prefer Durie though, and I think Rikae may support that lynch as well. Am I correct in this?

Please pick Durelin? I'll offer myself up on a silver platter if I'm wrong. Seriously.

[Mnemosyne]

Fine, Dury. I'm rolling a d4.

1 is you,

2 is Fea,

3 is Brinn,

and 4 is a reroll.

Sorry, but I'm not voting myself. I know that I'm innocent.

I rolled a 3.

++Brinn

I expect sally to wake me up if you end up consensing otherwise so that I can change my vote. I am not leaving this up to chance.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Psh. Or Izzy. At this point, I just want the cross posting of epic I-don't-want-to-die to end. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Actually, no. I didn't see what Shasta said. Only what you claim he said.

'tis fine. You got caught in a lie. xD



Rikae, if you don't get killed toNight (and I don't either) odds are there will be two innocent lynches, right?


Sorry, poor phrasing. What I mean is....if the baddies target two other people, we're down two innocents with no chance of catching a baddie.

How confident are you that you can find one of the other baddies in your next pick?

In other words, I'd rather get a baddie out of the way for sure, mostly because of numbers.

In even other words, I think I'd prefer Izzy most of all. Give me your thoughts.

[Durelin]

Between the four of you unknowns, two of you are bad. I'll take the 50/50 chance, risky as it may seem.

There's something called bad luck.

And Fea.

:p

[Rikae]

Since I only have the one retraction, I don't really want to use it early, in case something strange happens.

I don't have much of a preference betwen Fea and Dury, but I don't want to vote Mnemi and it seems I have no support for Brinn.

EDIT: X'd with Mnemi's vote and everything after. Seems I do have support, after all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I am not leaving this up to chance.

Except you just voted purely by chance instead of picking a player. That's responsible. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Since I only have the one retraction, I don't really want to use it early, in case something strange happens.

I don't have much of a preference betwen Fea and Dury, but I don't want to vote Mnemi and it seems I have no support for Brinn.



Understandable. That's why I'm waiting to vote, so if we have a big circus at the end I'm not just sitting there watching with no power to do anything.

[satansaloser2005]

Except you just voted purely by chance instead of picking a player. That's responsible. :rolleyes:

Oi, she's sick. Be nice. ;)


Don't worry, she'll be back at some point. Maybe. (I'm in charge of waking her up.):Merisu:

[Brinniel]

As of now, I will probably vote for Fea.

More from me later; sorry I'm watching Dollhouse. :)

[satansaloser2005]

As of now, I will probably vote for Fea.

More from me later; sorry I'm watching Dollhouse. :)



Oooo I missed/am missing it tonight. You'll have to tell me about it later. :)


Here's a question. If the innocents are mostly/all wiped out but the Queen and Knight are still alive, what happens? Do they keep playing until someone wins?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Here, I'm going to do this so that you can rest a little easier about retractions still floating around:

--Durelin

++Durelin

I think all responsible players should do the same.

Not necessarily vote the same, I mean. You could vote for Izzy and I wouldn't bat an eyelash, but I think that everybody should vote, retract, and revote early so that there isn't a last minute death rush and we lose due to disorganized incompetence. :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

So why does not voting for an apparently known wolf make sense?

[Rikae]

Rikae, if you don't get killed toNight (and I don't either) odds are there will be two innocent lynches, right?


Sorry, poor phrasing. What I mean is....if the baddies target two other people, we're down two innocents with no chance of catching a baddie.

How confident are you that you can find one of the other baddies in your next pick?

In other words, I'd rather get a baddie out of the way for sure, mostly because of numbers.

In even other words, I think I'd prefer Izzy most of all. Give me your thoughts.

Hmm...

If they don't target either of us, Wilwa and Phantom would be the likely kills.
I do have the ability to dream, so my odds of finding another baddie are pretty good, I think. I may hunt, or I may dream. At any rate, in your scenario toMorrow we'd be looking at a group of three in which there are two baddies, and the other baddie will be known.

[satansaloser2005]

Here, I'm going to do this so that you can rest a little easier about retractions still floating around:

--Durelin

++Durelin

I think all responsible players should do the same.

Not necessarily vote the same, I mean. You could vote for Izzy and I wouldn't bat an eyelash, but I think that everybody should vote, retract, and revote early so that there isn't a last minute death rush and we lose due to disorganized incompetence. :rolleyes:



Good point. Believe me, once my vote's locked in though not much is going to change it. I just haven't decided who I'm going with yet.

(Besides, I usually keep my retractions open just in case someone does happen to pull a stunt right before deadline)



I'm up for Izzy as well. It gets rid of a known wolf and improves our chances come Night fall. Thoughts from Rikae and others?

[Durelin]

Oh, yeah, duh.

++Izzy

--Izzy

++Izzy

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So why does not voting for an apparently known wolf make sense?

It's a matter of principle. I once lost my job over refusing to wear a stupid hat, you know. Went vegetarian because my brother called me a hypocrite. Etcetera, etcetera. I'm a matter of principle type person.

On the off chance that Rikae isn't being truthful, I won't be able to deal with the knowledge that I didn't pursue reasonable certainty when I had the chance to do so.

I've been convinced of you since this morning, and suspicious of Izzy for a couple days. I really don't care which of you dies first, as long as you both go.

Probably cross posting with 83 people. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Fea, how can you retract when you haven't already voted, eh? Tricksy...;)

[Rikae]

Gah - never mind, you did. And I just posted that. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Hmm...

If they don't target either of us, Wilwa and Phantom would be the likely kills.
I do have the ability to dream, so my odds of finding another baddie are pretty good, I think. I may hunt, or I may dream. At any rate, in your scenario toMorrow we'd be looking at a group of three in which there are two baddies, and the other baddie will be known.



My point exactly. Ideally, and this is THE ideal because it can't happen, we could PM during the Night, but since you've not dreamt me this isn't going to happen. The only reason I would have suggested that is because I would know whether to hunt player X. That didn't make a lick of sense, did it? Blah.

Basically if we kill an innocent toDay the game's over. Our best bet is Izzy, as it's the only guarantee.

By the way, come Night fall I'll tell you all who I'm hunting. I think.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea, how can you retract when you haven't already voted, eh? Tricksy...;)

I voted at like... dawn. I was at work this morning.

Seriously. Way at the beginning of the day. I voted, then said Dury had to defend herself.

NM. You noticed.

[satansaloser2005]

So we have

Fea-->Durie (locked in)
Durie-->Izzy (locked in)
Mnemo-->Brinn




A thought. What happens if Izzy gets magically de-lynched again?

Our secondary candidate better be a pretty good guess, that's all I'll say.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh godz...

I really don't want to think about our kill not dying properly.

*headdesk*

[satansaloser2005]

Oh godz...

I really don't want to think about our kill not dying properly.

*headdesk*



Yeah, sorry. I just had to bring it up. Best to cover our bases, after all.


The duck's pretty much sacked out for now. I'll wake her if we need her but otherwise I'm letting her crash until shortly before deadline.

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, sorry. I just had to bring it up. Best to cover our bases, after all.


The duck's pretty much sacked out for now. I'll wake her if we need her but otherwise I'm letting her crash until shortly before deadline.

I totally just read my own post as "the duck's pretty much snacked out for now". Yum yum. :smokin:

[Brinniel]

It gets rid of a known wolf and improves our chances come Night fall.
Unless she is lying.

Why do you all assume she is telling the truth? Trusting the first reveal that comes along is how games get lost.

Is toDay really our last Day? I thought we still had toMorrow... :confused:

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, and I know this sounds weird, but there's obviously still more going on here than we think, so let's not take too much for granted. (i.e. why I got changed over, why Izzy didn't die when we tried to lynch her, etc.)


I had plans for this evening but they completely fell through so I'm kind of feeling down. Most likely I'll be off for a little bit but then I'll be back. Just need to do a friend a favor and don't know how long it will take.

[satansaloser2005]

Unless she is lying.

Why do you all assume she is telling the truth? Trusting the first reveal that comes along is how games get lost.

Is toDay really our last Day? I thought we still had toMorrow... :confused:



Hun, if you know something, now is the time to tell us. As in right now, before any more votes get locked in.



9 players, 3 counting bad, 6 counting good.

Lynch an innocent, 3 and 5. If there's two night kills 3 and 3, in reality 4 and 2. We're screwed unless both baddies pick the same person or they kill me and I take one of them with me, and even then. (that scenario is leaving Rikae out of the picture just for argument's sake)

[Brinniel]

why I got changed over, why Izzy didn't die when we tried to lynch her
Yes, I was going to state that.

Just a thought: If Rikae isn't the real WQ, what if the actual WQ was somehow responsible for both? It'd certainly explain some things. :eek:

[Isabellkya]

Do you realize you are contradicting your own theory/statements?

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, I was going to state that.

Just a thought: If Rikae isn't the real WQ, what if the actual WQ was somehow responsible for both? It'd certainly explain some things. :eek:


True. But why hasn't she (and it is a she, obviously. Shasta's sexist. :p) come out?

[Brinniel]

Hun, if you know something, now is the time to tell us. As in right now, before any more votes get locked in.

Well then, perhaps you shouldn't be "locking" your votes. Listening to a Black piece is the worst thing you could do.

[Brinniel]

True. But why hasn't she (and it is a she, obviously. Shasta's sexist. ) come out?
Probably because no one ever believes the second reveal... :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Probably because no one ever believes the second reveal... :rolleyes:



Heh. Maybe.



And I'm not locking my vote, remember? I'm a free agent still, darling.

[satansaloser2005]

Erm....so I thought I'd posted this but it just sat in a different tab for a while. Have at it, ladies.


9 players

Baddies
1 Black Queen
1 Black Knight
1 Black Bishop

Goodies/Others
1 White Queen
1 White Rook
4 Pawns (1 black, but counts as ordo in tally)

If we kill an innocent toDay, and two innocents die in the Night, we're down to odds of 3/3 and the game's over.

If we lynch and innocent and either Rikae or I are hunted and we take down a bad player, it's 2/3, with a cobbler so really 3/2 and the game's still over.

If we lynch a wolf or the Black Queen toDay (preferably the Queen so we eliminate a double kill) and two innocents die in the Night we're at 2/4, reality of 3/3 and the game's over as long as the black pawn knows who to follow.

If we lynch a black piece and either the Rook or Queen are killed at Night and take a baddie with them, we're at 1/5, reality of 1/4.

Of course, odd circumstances may include both 'baddie sets' aiming for the same piece or an incorrect hunt by either Rikae or myself, but those are some of the basic situations we'll find ourselves in.

Also keep in mind that we have two known innocents, assuming that Rikae isn't lying. Just saying.


Rikae, I suggest you hunt toNight. And sorry for being odd earlier; I didn't realize you could only hunt or dream in a Night, not both. In that case don't bother to dream me, use your power to help the village rather than save your sanity.


EDIT: I'm kind of retracting my 'Rikae should definitely hunt' theory, based on recent discussion. I just didn't want to do the post over when I realized I'd done it a while ago, so sorry if it isn't aligned to what we've been discussing or whatever.

[Brinniel]

If we kill an innocent toDay, and two innocents die in the Night, we're down to odds of 3/3 and the game's over.
But who said that the wolves and the Black Queen intend to team up to take down the village? How then would either team win?

[satansaloser2005]

But who said that the wolves and the Black Queen intend to team up to take down the village? How then would either team win?

I'm not saying they will. But both of them (queen and black team) have to eliminate the innocents to win. I dunno, it was just a possibility to throw out there.

[Brinniel]

I don't know what Dury and Izzy's roles are, but I fear if we lynch one of them, we may lose. :(

[satansaloser2005]

I don't know what Dury and Izzy's roles are, but I fear if we lynch one of them, we may lose. :(



Assuming that Rikae's telling the truth, Izzy's the black bishop.


I think Durie, being the dangerous player that she is, would be a good night kill, so maybe she had to save herself one Night as the....well, the Knight?

Heck if I know.

I'm still not discounting the fact that you (Brinn) may be guilty.

[Rikae]

Sally, you're forgetting a couple things:

If we lynch Izzy toDay, and neither of us manages to kill a baddie toNight, the village will *still* be half evil toMorrow.

Secondly, any of those innocents you mention has a 25% chance of being the cobbler, so wherever you have an innocent or two (or three) dying, consider the chance of the cobbler dying accordingly

Third, Dury (or whichever of the four we're considering) has a 50% chance of being evil.

Fourth, even with you, me, and two baddies alive, the game's not over, since we can both hunt. If we hunt correctly, it would be tied (actually pretty cool, probably a first in WW history). ;)

Fifth, the baddies are not working together. Odds of 3/3, I think, *don't* mean the game is over. Actually, I'm going to have to go check that now - I'm not sure what the rules say about that.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, you're forgetting a couple things:

If we lynch Izzy toDay, and neither of us manages to kill a baddie toNight, the village will *still* be half evil toMorrow.

Secondly, any of those innocents you mention has a 25% chance of being the cobbler, so wherever you have an innocent or two (or three) dying, consider the chance of the cobbler dying accordingly

Third, Dury (or whichever of the four we're considering) has a 50% chance of being evil.

Fourth, even with you, me, and two baddies alive, the game's not over, since we can both hunt. If we hunt correctly, it would be tied (actually pretty cool, probably a first in WW history). ;)

Fifth, the baddies are not working together. Odds of 3/3, I think, *don't* mean the game is over. Actually, I'm going to have to go check that now - I'm not sure what the rules say about that.




You have a point. I'm taking this from a 'baddies equal goodies' perspective, which I'm guessing is actually incorrect. Sorry, different style of game than I'm used to so my calculations are....well, cracked out.

[Brinniel]

Assuming that Rikae's telling the truth, Izzy's the black bishop
That's the problem: you are assuming she is.

I'm still not discounting the fact that you (Brinn) may be guilty.
*sigh* I've been trying to help and hint at you for the past two Days, Sally, but you're just making things worse. You're the only one I know is innocent, so we really need to be on the same page here.

[satansaloser2005]

That's the problem: you are assuming she is.


*sigh* I've been trying to help and hint at you for the past two Days, Sally, but you're just making things worse. You're the only one I know is innocent, so we really need to be on the same page here.

Well....let's consider this....

I've had you on my suspicion list since shortly after the game started and it hasn't changed. I've mentioned you as guilty in nearly every post and yet never voted you. Does this or does this not tell you something?


Tells you nothing? Good.



++Durie

[satansaloser2005]

C'mon, Brinn, talk. I'd love to hear some specific theories.:Merisu:

[Rikae]

Ok, I went and looked at the rules, and didn't find anything. I never heard of a werebear counting as a wolf, but in this chess setup it might.

Getting the werebear now is our best chance... and if we don't get the other wolf, Izzy will be protected toNight (and maybe even toMorrow :eek:). But I see where you're coming from, Sally. I'm just the sort of person who prefers the risk with the bigger payoff over the "safe" route that leaves us with no leads. But I could vote for Izzy if needed.

[Rikae]

What I mean by "maybe even toMorrow" is that the black knight might be able to protect her during the Day.

Brinn is looking cobblerish now, which makes me more confident about Durie.

[satansaloser2005]

What I mean by "maybe even toMorrow" is that the black knight might be able to protect her during the Day.

Brinn is looking cobblerish now, which makes me more confident about Durie.



Very true. The Night bit, that is. I need to look at a few things here in a bit.

[Brinniel]

C'mon, Brinn, talk. I'd love to hear some specific theories.

Okay, this is what I think.

Rikae and Fea are Black pieces of some sort, the problem is that I don't know which. I'm kinda wondering if Rikae might be the Black Bishop, but I'm not sure about that. I doubt she's the BQ though, as I don't think a werebear would risk a fake reveal, especially when they're not in danger.

Sally is innocent.

According to Kath's dreams, phantom is a pawn of some sort, but we can't know whether it's black or white.

[Rikae]

By the way, Sally, what does the text under your avvie say? My eyes aren't so good.

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, Sally, what does the text under your avvie say? My eyes aren't so good.



Ah. It says "Ickle Phantom kills you nao", with "kthnxbye" written under it.

[Rikae]

Bwahaha!

[satansaloser2005]

Bwahaha!


:Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

A piece of information. Make of it what you will.


Kath's dream last Night and my hunt are the same person.

(Back to crypticness, I suppose. Oh....how....wonderful....)

[the phantom]

Okay- I just got back, so if you haven't voted please wait for me to catch up really quick as I have no clue what is going on.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay- I just got back, so if you haven't voted please wait for me to catch up really quick as I have no clue what is going on.

Everyone vote now! All on Phantom!



Everything is Phantom's fault toDay
The women's council has decided this way
Everything that happens is Phantom's fault
The women's council is also a cult!

[wilwarin538]

Ok, wow, so I come back on and see like 3 new pages, lots has happened.

So I've skimmed through everything and got the basic gist of what's happened. I'm leaning towards believing Rikae (since I am a simple white pawn, not the "real" WQ or a baddie), and I think I have a theory as to how it could all make sense. I'm not sure if this has been said yet or not.

So, since the good Ranger can protect from people at Night, perhaps the bad Ranger protects people from being lynched? That would explain Izzy's mysterious survival, and also prove that she is a baddie. So the evil Ranger protected her, she didn't get lynched, and enjoyed the mass confusion it caused. (It's possible cause Shasta never really clarified the way an evil Ranger would work) That would make Sally the cobbler, trying to get the WQ(who I'm thinking really is Rikae) lynched, and pave the way for the baddie victory.

Ahh, I need to think about this, I'll be back soon and probably change my vote.

X'posted with a few, will post again once I see what phantom has to say. (don't take too long please, I'm getting tired :o)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wilwa, if your hypothesis about Black Ranger protection is right, then how do we explain that the BQ's kill choice didn't die the other Night?

[Rikae]

Perhaps the Night protection carries over into the Day as well? Shasta did mention the Black Knight being able to protect against werebear attacks. It doesn't really seem fair, but then, if we have an extra Hunter, that would unbalance things a bit the other direction, anyway.

[the phantom]

Okay. I skimmed, mind you. So I still don't have a great grip on things.

So, what I hear is that we should gun for the BQ today. Sounds like a fine idea. Especially with a WW in the bag.

But this business with Brin coming in and doubting everything. I dunno. But then that's what she does. I remember the way she reacted to my past reveals and I think this is pretty standard for her. But of course if she's the true WQ then... well... really, there's nothing I can do. She hasn't even claimed it, let alone proved it.

And I agree with Fea on about everything. I'd like to follow her vote. Personally, I feel like we will not make sense of this situation until the game is over, no matter how much we talk about it, because not everyone is being truthful and some of it may actually be motivated by good reasons to lie. So why try to make everything be perfect? Just go with the gut. Let fly. At least that's how I'm feeling right about now. Probably because I'm a bit sleepy and cranky.

[the phantom]

I'm amused that over half the thread comes from Nebraska.

[Brinniel]

*becomes a broken record*

Why does everyone trust the first person who reveals?

Once upon a time in a Lovers' game, Fea was the first to reveal that she was some secret role...in the end, she turned out to be a cobbler lover seer. So yeah, the baddies sometimes do reveal first. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

I'm amused that over half the thread comes from Nebraska.



I know. Don't you love it?

[the phantom]

And does anyone have a vote count? Pretty please?

[satansaloser2005]

And does anyone have a vote count? Pretty please?

Durie 2, Izzy and Brinn 1.

I'll check to make sure it's right. :D

[the phantom]

I meant showing retractions and everything. One that shows clearly where we stand. As I cannot hope to understand the roles and such, I'd like to at least have knowledge of the vote.

[wilwarin538]

Yes, it may be possible that the evil Ranger could protect in the Day as well, perhaps since their team is so much smaller they need more protection? I don't know, it's a difficult situation.

I just really want my vote to be useful, because this could very well be my last day, if I was a baddie I would kill me toNight, since if Rikae is telling the truth I'm a proven innocent, and no werecreature ever wants one of those lying around.

[wilwarin538]

I'm willing to vote for either Izzy or Durelin, since those two seem to be the ones who are most likely the safest bets. I'll wait just a tad longer and then probably choose one.

[satansaloser2005]

I meant showing retractions and everything. One that shows clearly where we stand. As I cannot hope to understand the roles and such, I'd like to at least have knowledge of the vote.


Working on it, gosh! I wanted to make sure it was accurate and I hit reply and was like "crap".


Anyway....


Fea-->Durie
Fea-->Durie
retraction of Fea-->Durie:rolleyes:
Durie-->Izzy
Durie-->Izzy
retraction of Durie-->Izzy:eek:
Mnemo-->Brinn
Sally-->Durie


Basically Durie's locked in for one and has another, Izzy's locked in for one and Brinn has one that can be retracted.


People who have votes to change/make
Sally
Mnemo
Phantom
Izzy
Rikae
Brinn
Willa

[the phantom]

Thanks Sally.

[wilwarin538]

I'm afraid I can't wait any longer, I'm literaly half asleep on my laptop (named Harry by the way, since everyone else was revealing their computers names earlier).

So I've decided to vote for Durelin, since I have been more suspicious of her then I have been of Izzy over the past few Days.....really hoping this is a good move.

-- Mnemo

++ Durelin


sidenote: it's Wilwa, not Willa, just to point out, ;).

[Brinniel]

I wonder what the chances are that an evil Rikae would sacrifice her mate in order to look good. It's possible, and people would believe her for awhile. Though I think people would eventually figure out she's lying.

If there's no chance of lynching Fea, then perhaps we should lynch Izzy instead. If she turns out to be anything but a Black Bishop, we'll all know she's lying. And if she is the Bishop, well, we'll at least be down one more baddie and you guys can decide whether Rikae's a fake or not toMorrow.

I'm still uncomfortable with all this. If our lynch is innocent, it'll make toMorrow that much more difficult. And while I'm sure I know two baddies, I can't say whether one of them is the cobbler. I'd still like to lynch Fea, but at this point it doesn't look like I'll get any support.

[Rikae]

Sally, you forgot that I voted for you.

[the phantom]

Just fyi, while all of you pieces have been having your stand-offs and discussions, I've quietly been inching down the side of the board.

And I just reached the back row, meaning that now you have another Queen on your hands.

Boo-yah! Didn't see that coming, did you? :D

Huh? What do you mean that I have to wear a skirt now? Not every Queen wears one! No! I refuse!

Okay, never mind. I don't want to be a Queen any more.

*retreats back to middle of the board*

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, you forgot that I voted for you.


Ha! I thought so, but then I couldn't find it so I figured it must have been another Day or something. Thanks for that; lets me know I'm not going completely crazy. ;)



Votes:
Rikae for Sally
Fea for Durie (locked)
Durie for Izzy (locked)
Mnemo for Brinn
Sally for Durie
Wil for Durie (locked)


Still to vote:
Brinn
Phantom
Izzy

Still able to change vote:
Rikae
Mnemo
Sally

Lynch is standing at
Durie (3)
Sally, Izzy, Brinn (1)



EDIT: x'd with Phantom. Wow, that's....special....

[Mnemosyne]

Aw, man! I wanted to see phantom in drag!

[the phantom]

Aw, man! I wanted to see phantom in drag!
Well, I'll be sure to bring my ball gown when I finally come to visit.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, I'll be sure to bring my ball gown when I finally come to visit.

:Merisu:

[Rikae]

Sally and Phantom - if you lock in votes for Dury, I'll do likewise, and we can all go do whatever else we all do on Friday nights (in my case, study).

That is, if anyone here actually does anything but play WW on Friday nights... bah, what am I thinking... ? :D

[satansaloser2005]

Sally and Phantom - if you lock in votes for Dury, I'll do likewise, and we can all go do whatever else we all do on Friday nights (in my case, study).

That is, if anyone here actually does anything but play WW on Friday nights... bah, what am I thinking... ? :D



Huh? Do something besides werewolf on Friday night? What new devilry is this?:eek:

[Rikae]

Huh? Do something besides werewolf on Friday night? What new devilry is this?:eek:

Whatever do you mean? One could always play D&D, or Magic, or read the Silm for the eleventy-first time, or even edit Wikipedia! Jeez, you people are, like, total geeks. :smokin:

[the phantom]

You all lock your votes first. I don't trust anyone at this point.

[Rikae]

Well, if there can be no arrangement, then we are at an impasse.

[Isabellkya]

Too bad we ruined our streak yesterDay. Otherwise I'm sure it could've been a werewolf first!

[Durelin]

I think you all at least owe it to me to tell me why you suspect me.

At least Fea did, even though her reasoning is poor.

[satansaloser2005]

You all lock your votes first. I don't trust anyone at this point.


Well you're the only one I trust completely, which should tell you something.



EDIT: x'd. Rikae I bloody love you. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Too bad we ruined our streak yesterDay. Otherwise I'm sure it could've been a werewolf first!

I think I missed something.

[Mnemosyne]

Sally-- the Izzy/phantom/Brinn streak.

[satansaloser2005]

I think you all at least owe it to me to tell me why you suspect me.

At least Fea did, even though her reasoning is poor.


A plethora of reasons, really. The thing is....you see....none of them come to mind right now.

[Durelin]

And explain why you all have been treating me as if I'M the known baddie?

[satansaloser2005]

Sally-- the Izzy/phantom/Brinn streak.

Ah. Thanks, love. *gives you a cracker*

I want to know where Brinn is/if she's coming back.

[Brinniel]

Of course Rikae wants you guys to lock in your votes for Dury. Because then it will still be unknown whether she's lying or not. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

I can't trust anyone either. I know what some of you are, but I don't know that you know what I am. And I like less than half of you...
What? I wasn't going to add anything. :p

Dury, I pretty much suspect you based on process of elimination. Sorry, I know that really sucks - and I could be wrong about Sally and Mnemi, in which case I'd be wrong about you, but this is my best educated guess.

[satansaloser2005]

Of course Rikae wants you guys to lock in your votes for Dury. Because then it will still be unknown whether she's lying or not. :rolleyes:

Then vote, silly.


Thanks for coming when I called, by the way. I see I've still got you trained well. There's Mommy's little princess. :D

[Durelin]

And you will be down another innocent.

[Brinniel]

And explain why you all have been treating me as if I'M the known baddie?
I'm not. I still can't say whether you're innocent or not, but right now you look more innocent than may of the others here. So anyway, I won't be voting for you.

[Durelin]

Dury, I pretty much suspect you based on process of elimination. Sorry, I know that really sucks - and I could be wrong about Sally and Mnemi, in which case I'd be wrong about you, but this is my best educated guess.

A plethora of reasons, really. The thing is....you see....none of them come to mind right now.

Really?

[satansaloser2005]

Really?

No. Heh I'm totally screwing with you.

[Rikae]

Hey, you can lock in votes for Izzy, if you insist. Or me. Let's just get this show on the road, I'm tired.

[satansaloser2005]

Brinn, you nasty werecreature, who are you planning on voting for? I'd like to tell who you'll be up against. After all, Mnemo's voted for you too, and Izzy's still yet to vote at all.

[Brinniel]

Then vote, silly.
I'm just waiting for that small glimmer of hope that Fea could still be lynched. But it doesn't look like it'll happen, so I'll probably be voting Izzy instead.

[Rikae]

Really?

Yep. Really really. Good old POE, it worked on the GRE and it can work here. :D

[Durelin]

How abouts everyone votes hows theys wants to, period?

[satansaloser2005]

I'm just waiting for that small glimmer of hope that Fea could still be lynched. But it doesn't look like it'll happen, so I'll probably be voting Izzy instead.

Let's do it then.


--Durie

++Izzy



I'm locked. Phantom, I'm trusting you to the do the right thing.

[Rikae]

I'm just waiting for that small glimmer of hope that Fea could still be lynched. But it doesn't look like it'll happen, so I'll probably be voting Izzy instead.

Fea is an option for me too. And for Sally, I think (sorry if I'm getting mixed up, it's late).

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Fea is an option for me too. And for Sally, I think (sorry if I'm getting mixed up, it's late).

It was, but not anymore. Sorry, love.


Okay, Miss Brinn, goddess of all werewolves, I implore thee to vote for Izzy.


If she doesn't die at least we're not down another innocent, even if we're also not down a baddie. Hopefully she will die though, in which case I know what I'll be doing toNight.

[Isabellkya]

Don't forget phantom.

I shall probably be voting... actually I have no clue. As no matter what I say/do; it goes in one eyeball and out the other. Or the ear. Or nose. Not quite sure where it goes. Just that it gets lost somewhere.


I could go with voting for Fea. Maybe. Possibly bring it up to a four way tie again and leave it to Shasta to decide?

[Mnemosyne]

Fea was my first choice. I'll switch if it looks as if it's going to do any good.

[satansaloser2005]

Don't forget phantom.

I shall probably be voting... actually I have no clue. As no matter what I say/do; it goes in one eyeball and out the other. Or the ear. Or nose. Not quite sure where it goes. Just that it gets lost somewhere.


I could go with voting for Fea. Maybe. Possibly bring it up to a four way tie again and leave it to Shasta to decide?

False. If you're not a baddie you're a cobbler and we'll be happy to be rid of you.


I'm still offering those cookies, mind. :)

[the phantom]

++Durelin

Whatever. Let's just get this over with. My suspicions have sucked this game (I blame time constraints!), and I'm willing to follow Fea, who said this-
Please pick Durelin? I'll offer myself up on a silver platter if I'm wrong. Seriously.
I'm willing to take her up on that. She must feel pretty strongly, which is more than I can say of myself. At this point I literally have no clue what to think about anyone except for me.

EDIT: xpost with most of page

[Isabellkya]

If you lynch me, then how is it not down a baddie or an innocent?

That doesn't make sense... at all.

[satansaloser2005]

If you lynch me, then how is it not down a baddie or an innocent?

That doesn't make sense... at all.

As in if you don't die again.

[satansaloser2005]

++Durelin

Whatever. Let's just get this over with. My suspicions have sucked this game (I blame time constraints!), and I'm willing to follow Fea, who said this-

I'm willing to take her up on that. She must feel pretty strongly, which is more than I can say of myself. At this point I literally have no clue what to think about anyone except for me.

EDIT: xpost with most of page


....

[satansaloser2005]

Durelin 3, Izzy 2.


Brinn....?

[Durelin]

Go away phantom cobbler!

[Isabellkya]

Yeah, I totally missed the first half of the sentence.
What do you mean False? You've written me off as a baddie. Regardless of what the truth is.

[Brinniel]

It was, but not anymore. Sorry, love.
Nah, it's still possible. If the rest of us able to vote choose to vote for her.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Last ditch effort, much?

Phantom, you just want me to offer myself to you. :Merisu:

[Durelin]

At least you can be wrong together. :Merisu:

[Rikae]

Votes:
Rikae for Sally
Fea for Durie (locked)
Durie for Izzy (locked)
Mnemo for Brinn
Wil for Durie (locked)
Sally for Izzy (locked)
Phantom for Durie


Still to vote:
Brinn
Izzy

Still able to change vote:
Rikae
Mnemo
Phantom

Vote stands at:
Durie (3) Izzy (2) Sally, Brinn (1)

[the phantom]

Go away phantom cobbler!
The more you falsely accuse me the better you make me feel about voting for you. The fact is your case against me yesterday was garbage, so really any case I can come up with for you is more than you deserve.

[Brinniel]

Let's see if this is possible. If not, I'll change my vote to Izzy...mainly because her death would shed more light than Dury.

++Fea

[the phantom]

Phantom, you just want me to offer myself to you.
If only...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Brinn, there's 26 minutes left until DL, and you're going to split the vote even more?!

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, I totally missed the first half of the sentence.
What do you mean False? You've written me off as a baddie. Regardless of what the truth is.

Not necessarily. Well yes, pretty much, but last time you didn't die, so...ya know. ;)

Nah, it's still possible. If the rest of us able to vote choose to vote for her.

True. Go for it. I'm happy with either, but I want to know Izzy specifically.

[satansaloser2005]

Let's see if this is possible. If not, I'll change my vote to Izzy...mainly because her death would shed more light than Dury.

++Fea



No. No, no, no.



Phantom, Fea, stop it. This is a family-friendly site!:smokin:

[Brinniel]

Actually, phantom is looking rather cobblerish. Which is why I choose to ignore him. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Phantom, Fea, stop it. This is a family-friendly site!:smokin:

I meant that totally innocently! Much the same way food is served on silver platters, for the eating pleasure of-

[Isabellkya]

It is a lie when you say you haven't.

Anywhoo...

[Durelin]

The more you falsely accuse me the better you make me feel about voting for you. The fact is your case against me yesterday was garbage, so really any case I can come up with for you is more than you deserve.

At least I know the feeling is mutual.

[satansaloser2005]

It is a lie when you say you haven't.

Anywhoo...

Heh. Don't tell me what I think, love. ;)

[Brinniel]

Brinn, there's 26 minutes left until DL, and you're going to split the vote even more?!
If there's any hope of getting you lynched, then yes I will. And if it comes down to a tie, at least there'll be a 50% of killing a baddie. The only reason I'll change my vote is if it comes down between Izzy and Dury.

[Isabellkya]

Same.
Don't tell me what you think/know/think/know/think what my role is.
When I know what it is.
xD

[Mnemosyne]

--Brinniel

++Izzy

I crave surety.

[satansaloser2005]

If there's any hope of getting you lynched, then yes I will. And if it comes down to a tie, at least there'll be a 50% of killing a baddie. The only reason I'll change my vote is if it comes down between Izzy and Dury.

It just did.




Durie and Izzy 3
Sally, Fea, and Brinn 1

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Votes:
Rikae for Sally
Fea for Durie (locked)
Durie for Izzy (locked)
Mnemo for Izzy (locked)
Wil for Durie (locked)
Sally for Izzy (locked)
Phantom for Durie
Brinn for Fea


Still to vote:
Izzy

Still able to change vote:
Rikae
Phantom
Brinn

Vote stands at:
Durie (3) Izzy (3) Sally, Brinn, Fea (1)

[Brinniel]

It just did.
Well if someone wants to make it a three-way tie....

It could increase the chances of catching a baddie.

[satansaloser2005]

Well if someone wants to make it a three-way tie....

It could increase the chances of catching a baddie.

Erm....let's not.

[the phantom]

At least I know the feeling is mutual.
Yes, it is. This could very well be my last chance to vote, and I'm going to use it however I feel like using it.

The reason I'd rather go with Dury over Izzy is because Rikae's been after Izzy for quite a while. That means if she is pulling some sort of bluff, killing Izzy is precisely what she wants, and I don't want to give her that satisfaction. But if she's not pulling a bluff, Izzy is dead anyway, and we'd have to take a shot at some point at an unknown, so why not take it right now at someone who Rikae believes might be guilty anyway? That way if you don't trust her you're not giving her exactly what she wants, but if you do you're doing something that she's not totally opposed to.

And quite honestly I don't think Dury is sounding like the Ordo-Dury from that game that Lommy and I were in. It could be simply due to the way she's treating me, but I don't think that's all.

And why does Brin keep telling people not to believe reveals, and then vote for someone who has no chance of being lynched?

[Durelin]

Well if someone wants to make it a three-way tie....

It could increase the chances of catching a baddie.

Please. Just lynch me. Take me away from this madness.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, it is. This could very well be my last chance to vote, and I'm going to use it however I feel like using it.

The reason I'd rather go with Dury over Izzy is because Rikae's been after Izzy for quite a while. That means if she is pulling some sort of bluff, killing Izzy is precisely what she wants, and I don't want to give her that satisfaction. But if she's not pulling a bluff, Izzy is dead anyway, and we'd have to take a shot at some point at an unknown, so why not take it right now at someone who Rikae believes might be guilty anyway? That way if you don't trust her you're not giving her exactly what she wants, but if you do you're doing something that she's not totally opposed to.

And quite honestly I don't think Dury is sounding like the Ordo-Dury from that game that Lommy and I were in. It could be simply due to the way she's treating me, but I don't think that's all.

And why does Brin keep telling people not to believe reveals, and then vote for someone who has no chance of being lynched?


See, the baddies don't have to go for Rikae or I. Then again the Black Queen'll want Izzy out of the way if she's evil, so....meh.

[satansaloser2005]

Please. Just lynch me. Take me away from this madness.


Awwwww, poor Durie....




Killing Izzy gives me, a known gifted, the information I need for the Night. I know I'm being selfish but I'm always a skittish gifted and I darn well want to take down the right person when/if I die.

[Brinniel]

Erm....let's not.
Why not? You suspected all three candidates at one time.

If it doesn't look like it'll happen by the last few minutes though, I will change it.

[Isabellkya]

++Durelin

May as well vote now. I know my role, and it sure doesn't say baddie.


X'd since the end of page 24.

[satansaloser2005]

++Durelin

May as well vote now. I know my role, and it sure doesn't say baddie.

....like no one called that. ;)

[Brinniel]

--Fea

++Izzy

Sadly, I don't generally suspect her but I think her death should shed some light on Rikae's role.

[the phantom]

I don't want to hear from you any more Sally. You managed to convince everyone that you're a role that never did exist, but Rikae wanted to kill you anyway at first, but then you won't be killed tonight because you can hunt, but so can she (so there are what, five Hunters total in this game, asuming the BQ can too?), blah blah blah... I'm seriously done with this. Now I know how everyone felt in that one game of mine where I made everyone a Cobbler. It had to have been ridiculously frustrating. And on top of that I've had less time than usual to make sense of stuff.

All I know at this point is that I'm not liking the way Dury is acting.

We'll find out soon enough.

[satansaloser2005]

Tied again.


Phantom? Rikae?

[Isabellkya]

I was hoping for a three-way tie; because ties make it interesting.
Though, I'm not keen in bringing Fea into this madness.
So might as well attempt to share it with someone else.

[the phantom]

Sadly, I don't generally suspect her but I think her death should shed some light on Rikae's role.
So you doubt Rikae but you're killing her suspect anyway? :rolleyes:

There's your Cobbler, Dury. Not me.

[satansaloser2005]

I don't want to hear from you any more Sally. You managed to convince everyone that you're a role that never did exist, but Rikae wanted to kill you anyway at first, but then you won't be killed tonight because you can hunt, but so can she (so there are what, five Hunters total in this game, asuming the BQ can too?), blah blah blah... I'm seriously done with this. Now I know how everyone felt in that one game of mine where I made everyone a Cobbler. It had to have been ridiculously frustrating. And on top of that I've had less time than usual to make sense of stuff.

All I know at this point is that I'm not liking the way Dury is acting.

We'll find out soon enough.



Hun, just break the bloody tie. If Izzy's innocent I'm totally hunting Rikae, and if she's not I'm going after....give me a minute on that, actually.

[Durelin]

All I know at this point is that I'm not liking the way Dury is acting.

Well, can't say I've ever been a crowd pleaser. And I certainly won't be a phantom pleaser. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Look what you did, Shasta. Lol couldn't you have just left me an ordo?


*pouts in a corner*

[Brinniel]

So you doubt Rikae but you're killing her suspect anyway?
What am I supposed to do then? I don't suspect Dury either. And you complain that I vote for my prime suspect first.

Apparently the only way to satisfy you is if I voted Dury. :rolleyes:

[Isabellkya]

Oh for bloody sakes. Choose one, and stick with it.
You either know I'm a baddie or an innocent.

With all of this waffle-knowing more about my role than I do, you are going to give me an identity crisis!



X'd with Durelin, Sally, Brin

[Rikae]

I want to know what I'm dealing with toNight, and toMorrow if I'm still here.

--Sally

++Durelin

[satansaloser2005]

Oh for bloody sakes. Choose one, and stick with it.
You either know I'm a baddie or an innocent.

With all of this waffle-knowing more about my role than I do, you are going to give me an identity crisis!

Heh. The way you were talking earlier, the only dilemma I'm having is whether you're really the Black Bishop or just the cobbler.

[the phantom]

So if we lynch the BQ, then only one kill tonight.

But if we lynch a WW, then I assume the remaining one will kill Rikae?

But then what will the BQ do? Kill Sally? Or try to kill the WW?

[Durelin]

I used to be your number one fan, Rikae Evil Wizard...used to be. :(

:p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

STOP! No more talking. Go back to being inanimate, silly chess pieces.

[the phantom]

But then Rikae said they wouldn't want to kill her for some reason?

I'm still confused.

EDIT: xpost mod

[satansaloser2005]

So if we lynch the BQ, then only one kill tonight.

But if we lynch a WW, then I assume the remaining one will kill Rikae?

But then what will the BQ do? Kill Sally? Or try to kill the WW?

I know who I'm taking with me, that's all I'll say.

Blast this ugly, ugly business. I'm going to go mutter about the game in Spanish so I don't spoil it for my roomie.



EDIT: x'd. sorry, oh mod.

[Brinniel]

Hmm...if Dury dies, then I'll probably be left alive as a "suspect." Though perhaps the opposing team will want to kill me. If Izzy dies and Rikae's proven guilty, then I'm probably dead.

Anyway, if am Night-killed, then you'll at least know who to lynch and won't spend time calling me suspicious. :rolleyes:

And I really do hope a baddie is lynched toDay. :/

EDIT: X-ed with mod

Oh, and it looks like Dury will die, so it'll probably be the former. *sighs*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Day 4

Mithalwen had shifted into Musical Mode. She began to sing.

GREY QUEEN MITH:
Whatever happened to my role?
I'd like a Phantom to cajole.
Now we're halfway through the game
And my PM? It's still not came.

I've waited ages for Shasta to host
And when he does I get no post.
This is one unhappy Mithalwen
The Queens my show they have stolen
This game, for me, is horribly droll.
Whatever happened to my role?

I am sick of playing, man
Always voted with no plan
Up to here with the ploys of Phantom-pants
I've no rep points, no votes new
No analyses to do
I'm Constantly replaced with Saucepan Man
Saucepan Man!

Whatever happened to my game?
Popular once, I have no name.
I'm with a bunch of Jedi Knights,
Prancing 'round in colored tights.

I might as well drown in a pool
The players thinking they're so cool
Out looking for a kill
These ordos are such pills
It seems to me they've really got no clue

Whatever happened to My....
I'll PM the Barrow Wight, people!
Whatever happened to my....
Not Rikae's! Not Sally's!
But my....
Role!

In the standing ovation that followed, Durelin was taken and promptly dropped off the board. Poor little White Pawn.

Pieces:
Feanor of the Peredhil
Isabellkya
the phantom
Brinniel
satansaloser2005
wilwarin538
Rikae
Mnemosyne

Taken:
Shasta - Ke3xe4, Night 1 (Moderator)
Gwathagor - d3xe4 (Lynched), Day 1 (White Pawn)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Qd8xh4 (Killed), Night 2 (White Pawn)
Nerwen - Bc8xa6 (Killed), Night 2 (White Rook)
Nogrod - f6xg5 (Lynched), Day 2 (White Knight)
Mirandir - Ba6xe2 (Killed), Night 3 (White Pawn)
Hansy - g3xh2 (Lynched), Day 3 (White Pawn)
Lariren Shadow - Qh4xe4 (Killed), Night 4 (Black Rook)
Eonwe - Re1xe4 (Hunted), Night 4 (White Pawn)
Kath - Be2xf1 (Killed), Night 4 (White Bishop)
Durelin - a6xb6 (en passant) (Lynched), Day 4 (White Pawn)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Night 5

Mithalwen was still deep in her singing. The two players kept to the edges of the board; it was easier to knock pieces off there anyway.

Sally found herself in the same position as Lari had been in. Why Gandalf made the exact same mistake as Sauron, she could only guess. Her options were a bit better than Lari's had been, though; Fea was in her grasp.

Even knowing that the Knight was waiting eagerly, Gandalf took the Queen with the Rook. Sauron scowled and made the expected move, Na4xc3.

Pieces:
Isabellkya
the phantom
Brinniel
wilwarin538
Rikae
Mnemosyne

Taken:
Shasta - Ke3xe4, Night 1 (Moderator)
Gwathagor - d3xe4 (Lynched), Day 1 (White Pawn)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Qd8xh4 (Killed), Night 2 (White Pawn)
Nerwen - Bc8xa6 (Killed), Night 2 (White Rook)
Nogrod - f6xg5 (Lynched), Day 2 (White Knight)
Mirandir - Ba6xe2 (Killed), Night 3 (White Pawn)
Hansy - g3xh2 (Lynched), Day 3 (White Pawn)
Lariren Shadow - Qh4xe4 (Killed), Night 4 (Black Rook)
Eonwe - Re1xe4 (Hunted), Night 4 (White Pawn)
Kath - Be2xf1 (Killed), Night 4 (White Bishop)
Durelin - a6xb6 (en passant) (Lynched), Day 4 (White Pawn)
satansaloser2005 - Na4xc3 (Killed), Night 5 (White Rook)
Feanor of the Peredhil - Rc7xc3++ (Hunted), Night 5 (Black Queen)

The Black Queen has been defeated.

The game is NOT over.

[Mnemosyne]

:eek:

Neat work, sally.

Okay, so the way I see it, the best we can do today is bring it to a tie and leave it to chance.

If I'm wrong, please correct me.

[Mnemosyne]

Also, I'd like Rikae and Brinn to make their best cases.

[the phantom]

Fea's first post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=585931&postcount=41).

You'll notice if you take the beginning of all her lines, it makes WOHSPIV (not counting her brackets [ ] of course).

Spelled backwards- VIP show.

When I found it I thought "She's a very important person (VIP), who can 'show' us things. The Seer!"

But then Kath looked like the Seer too, and I thought, "Maybe Fea means that she is 'the VIP of this show' or something like that. Ooh, or maybe it means she is a VIP, and that this clue shows it. So maybe she's the White Queen."

So yeah, I've been wanting to keep her alive. And apparently, the clue was entirely coincidental, or a false clue in order to pave the way for a future reveal perhaps.

Anyway, I felt the need to explain part of the reason I was doubting Rikae yesterday and why I've been wanting to keep Fea around. This is without a doubt the worst job of WereWolfing I've ever done. I believe that Kath is the only person that I've been right about. And to some extent Sally, though I had second thoughts about her more than once. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Okay, so the way I see it, the best we can do today is bring it to a tie and leave it to chance.
Yeah. Just noticed that.

It seems this thing is going to be decided via coin flip. I think Shasta should do it live on webcam for dramatic effect.

[Mnemosyne]

Eh, it happens, phantom.

But think of it this way: at least you can have Fea served to you on a silver platter now!

[the phantom]

Ha ha! No, no, I believe it's the WereCreatures who eat people served on platters. My liking for people does not cross into that area.

[Mnemosyne]

I didn't say you had to eat her. I'm just saying: you got SERVED!

:smokin:

[the phantom]

Actually, this may not have to end in a tie after all. Remember how Izzy was somehow saved? Maybe the WQ or one of the WWs can protect someone from lynching?

[Isabellkya]

I agree. Shasta should do it on a live feed. Would definitely make it more dramatic. Especially, if somehow the coin rolled under a couch; or he inserted a commercial. xD

[the phantom]

you got SERVED!
So I guess you're filling in for Sally in the give-Phantom-grief position.

You rub this in and I promise I will rub it in mercilessly when you fail. And you will, dearie. Everyone does now and then. I'll have Sally IM me if you ever fail a test or anything and I'll make fun of you.

[Mnemosyne]

Yes, but neither of us lowly innocents knows how that works.

You're absolutely right, but it's something out of our control.

Pah, being an ordo stinks worse than the breeding pits of Mordor.