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satansaloser2005

12-10-2009, 02:57 PM

Cool down Shasta... I hope it's not semantics again... I don't think Boro said it was "concrete information". To me at least it is a perfectly believable hypothesis that should be checked. If we had three wolves we really should get rid of one toDay - and we're wrong, as Boro said, we can afford to lose an inncent just to be sure. And what would be the gains if we got it right?

Yes, but what if she was lying about getting only one dream? I don't think it's the case, but I'm just sayin'.

Thinlómien

12-10-2009, 02:57 PM

Shastanis Althreduin

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Cool down Shasta... I hope it's not semantics again... I don't think Boro said it was "concrete information". To me at least it is a perfectly believable hypothesis that should be checked. If we had three wolves we really should get rid of one toDay - and we're wrong, as Boro said, we can afford to lose an inncent just to be sure. And what would be the gains if we got it right?

Noted, but has Lottie even been around to defend herself? This feels like a Lottie lynch is being rushed through for that reason.

Thinlómien

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Oh drat idiot Shasta... Sally please. Use your brain.

Boromir88

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Shasta why switch on someone (talking about Lottie with regards to me) who's defended me as innocent since her reveal or I could just kill her, when I could have just joined in on Lommy and Nog fight today or gone for someone like sally or an easier target?

Consider that before your decision about me. You say this Lottie-thing stinks of wolvery, because I've switched and Nog's assuming she's guilty. But you're assuming she's innocent. :rolleyes:

satansaloser2005

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Sally and Shasta if you lynch me and Lottie wolf and her pack kill you I will say you deserved it... :(

I don't claim I can read the mod's mind. I'm just thinking of stuff that would make sense (which is not making a totally new random role we can't get any information on from anywhere).

Not just you, dear, those two troublemakers Boro and Nog as well. ;)

Gah. Lottie or Lommie, Lottie or Lommie? Vote count anyone?

Shastanis Althreduin

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Bes

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Good lord, so many words and meanings put into my mouth for me toDay. Anyway, not much time before the DL. Either Nog or Lottie is trouble, in my oppinion. Lottie is the one of the two that has evidence against her worth talking about from my point of view, since I've never had much more on Nog than a feeling of wrongness. So Lottie it is.

++Lottie.

Edit: Probably crossed with a few.

Thinlómien

12-10-2009, 02:58 PM

It's even, Sally.

Nogrod

12-10-2009, 02:59 PM

Lynch Shasta and Sally toMorrow people - anyone alive toMorrow... if Lommy is innocent and they just derailed the whole thing...

Shastanis Althreduin

12-10-2009, 02:59 PM

satansaloser2005

12-10-2009, 02:59 PM

Shastanis Althreduin

12-10-2009, 02:59 PM

satansaloser2005

12-10-2009, 02:59 PM

++Lommie

Fish fish fish fishy!!!!!

Thinlómien

12-10-2009, 03:00 PM

Bes!!! What's this???

Shastanis Althreduin

12-10-2009, 03:00 PM

I, on the other hand, am assuming nothing. And thus....

++Abstain (official or not)

I hate myself. *waits*

...Lynch Sally tomorrow. What the crap.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-10-2009, 03:00 PM

++Lommie

Fish fish fish fishy!!!!!

OH MY LORD WHAT.

satansaloser2005

12-10-2009, 03:01 PM

And of course it doesn't matter. Rubbish. I really really don't like this Lottie wagon, because somewhere there's so much evil in it.

Shasta, why couldn't we have tried Bes? Why?!

EDIT: x'd since my last

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-10-2009, 03:01 PM

Deadline

Nogrod

12-10-2009, 03:01 PM

What???

satansaloser2005

12-10-2009, 03:02 PM

OH MY LORD WHAT.

I was referring to Bes' vote. Blah.

EDIT: x'd with Nogmod....erm, Nog and Mod. I'm going to slap someone.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-10-2009, 03:05 PM

Lottie -> Lommy
Brinn -> Lommy (2)
Morsul -> Sally
Nogrod -> Lottie
Boro -> Lottie (2)
Lommy -> Lottie (3)
Shasta -> Lommy (3)
Bes -> Lottie (4)
Sally -> Lommy (4)

Final votes, Legate.

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-10-2009, 03:10 PM

Okay... dum dum... moment of anticipation...

Loslote is lynched, and she was indeed a Birthday Dreamer, which is true... So she was a Gifted... And she was an innocent Gifted (so she was exactly what she said she is - having one dream on Night 4).

I will post the narration during the Night, meanwhile, Night folk can do their stuff.

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-11-2009, 05:34 AM

We have spent a long time in a debate where everybody wanted to express his opinion about the place we found ourselves in. What was it, and how old could this dwelling, hideout, complex be? Carved in the volcanic rock – possibly by adjusting the already existing passages and gaps in the mass – using equipment no doubt advanced, but certainly older than the European civilisation. Who could have lived here, and when? Worsley and Herman placed the forming of ice cover over Arctic some 700,000 years ago, the time when, according to the palaeologists and anthropologists, the modern human beings were unheard of. The ancestors of Neanderthals lived in Europe at that time, sure, but as far as modern science knows, they were hardly advanced enough to create something like this. But was it possible that we have found an evidence of something our science had not discovered yet? Were the Neanderthals responsible? Were we to open a completely new chapter of the Earth's unknown history?

What was this Pleistocenian wonder of the world? Whose hands have carved these mysterious glyphs into its titanic walls? And why did they pick this remote island in the middle of nowhere – with no link to the mainland? And how was this whole matter related to the monstrous abominations in our midst - and the imprisonment at this prison of ice - and the claimed visions or dreams of sir Michael's daughter?

We have been questioning her about that, as now, grasping again our scientific thinking, we started to feel it most peculiar to follow such an irrational claim as that of a dream, even though it proved true. But as all of us men and women of science knew, one practical result is not the definite proof of a theoretical claim, other explanations are always possible. Exhausted by the endless dispute, in the end, we have decided the young lady's fate. I need not describe what happened next. I need not describe even our frustration when, once again, we were proven completely wrong.

The girl's body did not start to change. But it was once again one of these moments when our strictly rational thinking has been challenged. Needless to say, most of us would ascribe the girl's dying words to premortal fabrications of her fading mind, no doubt influenced by the experience of the previous days and also by thoughts and images stemming from her subconscious, likely fueled and further distorted by various fantastic literature and pictures popular among today's youth. Even the allusions to certain obscure mythologies, which even some of our group seemed to be familiar with, did not let us make much account of her feverish babbling. Nevertheless, these have been her last words:

"I can see things you people would not believe... Silver ship alight by flames of the black dragon... I see the rivers of spears glittering in darkness beyond the gates of iron... and the monsters of horn and ivory that hid in the bowels of nether earth... all these things have been forgotten... upon the coming of the roaring sea..."

LIVING MEMBERS OF THE EXPEDITION:

Boromir88 - senior assistant to a professor of glaciology
Morsul - federal grants lawyer
Brinn - polar bear biologist
Nogrod - old palaeoecologist with is own theory of climate change
sally - the original initiator of the expedition
Thinlómien - whale expert
Nerwen - mechanic
Bes - room/store manager
Shasta - sled-dog handler

GONE:
Roa - survival guide - died on blood loss from Werewolf attack on Day 2 (left game, innocent)
Mnemosyne - field medic - shot by the survival guide on Day 2 (Werewolf)
Inziladun - meteorologist - killed by Werewolves on Night 3 (innocent)
tromkehra - cook/bartender - left aboard the ship on Day 3 (left game, innocent)
Nienna - navigator - shot on her way back to the ship on Day 3 (innocent)
Greenie - senior assitant to important scientists in the company, killed by Werewolf on Night 4 (innocent)
Pitchwife - marine biologist - unambiguously executed by the expedition on Day 4 (Werewolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - sea pilot - murdered in the icy darkness on Night 5 (innocent)
wilwa - crewmember - executed in the underground cavern on Day 5 (innocent)
Macalaure - palaeomathematician - killed while performing his palaeomathematic operations on Night 6 (innocent)
Loslote - rich funder's spoiled daughter - died with visionary words on her lips on Day 6 (Birthday Dreamer - innocent)

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-11-2009, 03:00 PM

It would be exhausting to give a detailed report of our wanderings in that ancient cavernous maze - it seemed like days as we explored that forbidding place. There have been many corridors, some certainly not created by purely natural processes, and on many of the walls there were ancient figures and paintings of obscure origin, faded with aeons of time, yet preserved in the prison of ice, untouched by human hands for ages. They were hard to decipher, but repeatedly we have been encountering what seemed like a collection of fifteen dots forming the shape of a triangle with one of its vertices aiming upwards. Sometimes instead of the topmost dot an intricate figure resembling a cogged ring or a deformed crown could be found. This particular symbol seemed important as it reappeared also separately on many of the portals and archways in this strange labyrinth.

But there have not been just geometrical symbols and glyphs - how we pitied the loss of our mathematician! - but also depictions of various animals and creatures unknown to us, as much as we could decipher from the graffiti. That intrigued particularly our biologists, as some of the lifeforms seemed completely alien to us, yet their depictions, despite the test of time, were remarkably life-like. Some resembled certain mythological creatures, the appearance of others was beyond our wildest imaginations. Despite our protests, our biologists have convinced us to stop to examine some of them more closely. In the end we had to move on, but it was our polar bear expert who remained behind - and when we found out that she was missing, it was already too late.

There was no way to tell which one - or more - of us had slipped away to take her life. We have found her body leaning against the wall, her blood glistening inside the notches of the ancient carvings in the light of our electric torches. Her death was our collective fault - despite the overwhelming danger, we have let ourselves become distracted by the curious carvings in the next room, hexagonal in shape again, but with its walls covered in cryptical diagrams and writings and with something that seemed like a stone altar in its midst. After lying our polar bear expert's body in the corridor and covering it with one of our blankets - we could not offer a more proper funeral - we have returned to the room with the altar. It was a curious stonework, yet not made of one piece and there were very strange holes in it, sinking somewhere deep under the altar itself. I think it was our mechanic who first came with the idea that they might have been used for pouring in liquid, and it was our buttoned-up lawyer who jested that this room might have been used as a sacrificial chamber. However, the jest turned out to be the horrible truth.

Even our mechanic could not explain what caused the large stone blocks to suddenly slide from the ceiling and bar all the exits from the room. We have repeatedly tried to move them, yet it has proved impossible. Somebody has brought up the idea that maybe if we pour something into the holes in the altar, the door might open. We have tried the water from one of our flasks, and indeed - some curious sounds came from below, but the doors remained shut. It was just after that when we discovered one of the carvings above the altar portrayed what was unmistakeably a scene of human sacrifice - and then what obviously must have been depiction of blood trailing into a machinery below.

LIVING MEMBERS OF THE EXPEDITION:

Boromir88 - senior assistant to a professor of glaciology
Morsul - federal grants lawyer
Nogrod - old palaeoecologist with is own theory of climate change
sally - the original initiator of the expedition
Thinlómien - whale expert
Nerwen - mechanic
Bes - room/store manager
Shasta - sled-dog handler

GONE:
Roa - survival guide - died on blood loss from Werewolf attack on Day 2 (left game, innocent)
Mnemosyne - field medic - shot by the survival guide on Day 2 (Werewolf)
Inziladun - meteorologist - killed by Werewolves on Night 3 (innocent)
tromkehra - cook/bartender - left aboard the ship on Day 3 (left game, innocent)
Nienna - navigator - shot on her way back to the ship on Day 3 (innocent)
Greenie - senior assitant to important scientists in the company, killed by Werewolf on Night 4 (innocent)
Pitchwife - marine biologist - unambiguously executed by the expedition on Day 4 (Werewolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - sea pilot - murdered in the icy darkness on Night 5 (innocent)
wilwa - crewmember - executed in the underground cavern on Day 5 (innocent)
Macalaure - palaeomathematician - killed while performing his palaeomathematic operations on Night 6 (innocent)
Loslote - rich funder's spoiled daughter - died with visionary words on her lips on Day 6 (Birthday Dreamer - innocent)
Brinn - polar bear biologist - stained the walls with her blood on Night 7 (innocent)

Day 7 has started. You have been locked in the sacrificial chamber and need to sacrifice one person to get out. (IMPORTANT!!!) See the admin thread here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=619049&postcount=127) for more detailed rules for toDay.

Stop PMing. You may start posting now.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:05 PM

Firstly: Well, there's the second of Legate's two mysterious events.

Secondly: Boro. Nog. Lommy. Bes. Two are wolves and two are seriously screwed up in the head because WHAT WERE YOU FOUR THINKING?!

[/rant]

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:09 PM

Alright, having read the sacrifice rules, it's basically two lynches today, with the sacrifice happening before the lynch. Goody. That means we can get rid of two of the four people who killed Lottie yesterday, instead of just one.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:11 PM

Oh, and for reference, my personal picks are Boro and Bes. I'll be back later to explain.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 03:22 PM

Oops...

(That goes both to the result of yesterDay and the events leading up to it + the sacrifice rule) :)

Shasta: even if I tend to agree with you that there is most likely at least one wolf in the three other Lottie-voters, I must say you are not making that case easier with that security of yours.

And even if I do apologise for leading you astray yesterDay, even if unknowingly, - and I do think at least one wolf picking that lead to hide behind it - I still think it was both a reasonable suspicion (the Birthday dreamer role was like I said earlier) and it cleared the last Days from the enigma whether to believe in Lottie's description of her role or not. We afforded even that wrong decision yesterDay... we probably wouldn't have afforded it toDay as well.

And btw. if you insist in your righteousness on Lottie, then how did you know it? For all I know only wolves knew she was an innocent yesterDay. :eek:

EDIT: X'd with the last Shasta

Boromir88

12-11-2009, 03:23 PM

Secondly: Boro. Nog. Lommy. Bes. Two are wolves and two are seriously screwed up in the head because WHAT WERE YOU FOUR THINKING?!

[/rant]

Voting for someone who I thought was more likely a wolf than Lommy? If you're going to take that rude/offensive tone (fortunately family-friendly prevents me from using words I wish to use) and refuse to see that it was a necessary risk we had to find out than I will shove you through the key hole, or however it is someone is supposed to be sacrificed.

Even though you are probably innocent, get off your moral high horse.

Alright, having read the sacrifice rules, it's basically two lynches today, with the sacrifice happening before the lynch. Goody. That means we can get rid of two of the four people who killed Lottie yesterday, instead of just one.

That would be the most foolish thing we could possibly do at this time. I may not have lynched a wolf yet (how many for you Shasta? :rolleyes: ) but at least I can say we haven't made ridiculous lynches based off emotion and flimsy vague feelings. If you want to blow our chance because you're po'ed, for some ungodly and unknown reason be my guest.

As for me, I say we sacrifice one and don't lynch. Preference right now is sally who can not possibly have had any good intentions from her posts yesterday at the end of the day.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:32 PM

Voting for someone who I thought was more likely a wolf than Lommy? If you're going to take that rude/offensive tone (fortunately family-friendly prevents me from using words I wish to use) and refuse to see that it was a necessary risk we had to find out than I will shove you through the key hole, or however it is someone is supposed to be sacrificed.

Even though you are probably innocent, get off your moral high horse.

"Glass houses," Boro. Ever hear of them? I absolutely defy you to try and dismiss what I'm saying as being "rude and offensive" when you're one of the ones who pushed through Lottie's lynch yesterday when you knew she wouldn't be around to defend herself.

That would be the most foolish thing we could possibly do at this time. I may not have lynched a wolf yet (how many for you Shasta? :rolleyes: ) but at least I can say we haven't made ridiculous lynches based off emotion and flimsy vague feelings. If you want to blow our chance because you're po'ed, for some ungodly and unknown reason be my guest.

As for me, I say we sacrifice one and don't lynch. Preference right now is sally who can not possibly have had any good intentions from her posts yesterday at the end of the day.

Stop putting words in my mouth. The most foolish thing we could do at this point is to not use our double lynch today, considering that both Gifted are still around. You can try and dismiss what I say as "Oh Shasta's just mad" all you like - it won't work.

Boromir88

12-11-2009, 03:34 PM

Shasta: even if I tend to agree with you that there is most likely at least one wolf in the three other Lottie-voters, I must say you are not making that case easier with that security of yours.

I disagree, based on how it was thoroughly discussed yesterday there is more reason to think the wolves would want to keep Lottie around, because she was going to be a question mark for the rest of the game, or they could have just ignored it.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:34 PM

(the Birthday dreamer role was like I said earlier)

Clearly not, as Lottie dreamt of Pitchwolf and died innocent.

Edit: X'ed with Boro.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 03:38 PM

The problem I have now is the Night-kills... the last one especially makes me uneasy with just concentrating solely on Lottie-voters.

Does someone recall Nerwen being suspected in any serious fashion? Yet she's still alive instead of Brinn who was actually suspected.

Or is this just the thing the wolves wish someone of us to voice out without dirtying their claws with the issue?

Anyway, it would be hard for anyone to lynch Nerwen so why keep her around when Brinn would have been a lot more lyncheble? The numbers are quickly coming down and the probability of even a blind vote catching a wolf grows with every lynch so why leave "clean-looking" people around instead of lynchables?

And here I need to disagree with you Boro - at least for the time being (=have to think it over once again, but my guts say otherwise than you say). It might be a good idea to both sacrifice and lynch.

The old story: killing by voting together is the only weapon we have (now wolves have only 2 from 8 influence on that); letting the kill-decisions for Nights instead of Days we let the wolves to choose freely (unless the ranger saves it = 1/7 chance).

EDIT: X'd with a few Shastas and Boro

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:38 PM

Let me explain my picks of Boro and Bes in more detail (I'm not gone when I thought I would be).

Firstly, of the four, Lommy had to save her own skin. I don't fault her for voting Lottie to save herself - in normal circumstances I'd probably have done the same thing.

Secondly, Nog was the originator of the theory that Lottie was evil. And while erroneous, I can maybe see an innocent Nog believing it. I find all three of Boro, Nog, and Bes suspicious, but the bottom line is that I find Boro's 180-jump on Nog's case more suspicious that Nog bringing it up in the first place.

As for Bes, that's the second time he's dived in out of nowhere and voted. A newbie wolf trying not to get caught? I'd like to get rid of Boro and Nog today, but that's probably not going to happen. Boro and Bes is more likely.

Edit: X'ed with Nog.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 03:41 PM

Clearly not, as Lottie dreamt of Pitchwolf and died innocent.But an innocent knew that only atfter the DL yesterDay... :smokin:

Bes

12-11-2009, 03:42 PM

Without quoting, lots of people were apparently surprised by my vote yesterday. I really don't see why: Yes, I originally thought the Birthday Dreamer role turning Lottie into a wolf seemed awkward and out of place with Lottie's behavior. I also then found and posted evidence to the contrary, and read other people's takes on the situation before coming to a decision.

Sure, we were wrong and Lottie wasn't a wolf. We know this now, whee and such. That doesn't change that I had every reason at the start to think that Lottie wasn't a wolf, and after I had pretty good reasons to change my mind, with citation to boot. That citation was even backed up, using references to the role in yet another game. After that, whether or not the game started on Legate's birthday came into debate, some people saying yes and others no. Lottie was accused of being a wolf, looked like she was going down, and suddenly I was all suspicious for 'defending' her (selective reading? I guess so.) What choice was there but to vote for her? I mean, barring a throw away vote that had nothing to do with what had happened that day, or voting for Nog who at the time seemed to be making sense and had no other votes.

Anyway, why ARE you so emotional about the vote, Shasta? Is it just because you wanted Lommie to get lynched, or is there something else going on here?

All of that said, Nog looks odd to me now. It was a long while back, but I've shown that he knew exactly what the Birthday Dreamer role usually is before this game, but he acted like it was some sudden revelation yesterDay. It could be nothing, but it looks at least slightly suspicious now that we know Lottie didn't become a wolf I think.

Also, I bet I'll cross with a few, as usual.

Edit: Crossed with Shasta, Boro, Shasta, Nog, Shasta and Nog. I feel like I type slow now.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:43 PM

But an innocent knew that only atfter the DL yesterDay... :smokin:

Not the point. You said that the role was like you said it was (the birthday dreamer taking the role of the person he/she dreamt) and it wasn't.

Edit: X'ed with Bes. The main thing is that her lynch was pushed through after she'd said she'd be gone for the day. Also, I considered her to be the closest thing we had to a cleared innocent, so yes, I'm a little irked that she was lynched.

Boromir88

12-11-2009, 03:49 PM

"Glass houses," Boro. Ever hear of them? I absolutely defy you to try and dismiss what I'm saying as being "rude and offensive" when you're one of the ones who pushed through Lottie's lynch yesterday when you knew she wouldn't be around to defend herself.
Seriously messed up in the head? And then the CAPS lock? You don't consider that a rude tone? Sorry, but I do.

Shasta, someone's gotta go every day. I'm sure Lottie might think it sucks, I don't know, but she should understand this is how it works. Is that cold? A little...I'll send Lottie a message or something to make-up for it. Offensive? No, it's a game we have to decide who leaves it. When we're wrong we wipe our hands and move on. It does no good to berate people for being wrong. So, like I said get off your high horse like you're some righteous innocent protector.

not[/i] use our double lynch today, considering that both Gifted are still around. You can try and dismiss what I say as "Oh Shasta's just mad" all you like - it won't work.

What words are you talking about? I said yesterday if people thought I was too big of a question mark, I would have been perfectly fine with being lynched. If it comforts you, you can sacrifice me today, if this is the way you're going to be I don't care at this point. But there is no way in hell we are killing 2 people today because you're emotions are high.

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 03:51 PM

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:55 PM

Seriously messed up in the head? And then the CAPS lock? You don't consider that a rude tone? Sorry, but I do.

Shasta, someone's gotta go every day. I'm sure Lottie might think it sucks, I don't know, but she should understand this is how it works. Is that cold? A little...I'll send Lottie a message or something to make-up for it. Offensive? No, it's a game we have to decide who leaves it. When we're wrong we wipe our hands and move on. It does no good to berate people for being wrong. So, like I said get off your high horse like you're some righteous innocent protector.

What words are you talking about? I said yesterday if people thought I was too big of a question mark, I would have been perfectly fine with being lynched. If it comforts you, you can sacrifice me today, if this is the way you're going to be I don't care at this point. But there is no way in hell we are killing 2 people today because you're emotions are high.

Calming down a bit...

Alright.

First off, I apologize for the first thing I said today. Believe it or not, I meant it to come out jokingly, and it didn't turn out that way. I didn't mean to insult anyone, and I'm sorry.

Secondly, I'm making such a big deal out of the way Lottie's lynch went down because I know there are people who act just like that when they're evil. Phantom is one.

Thirdly, the "words" I'm talking about are when you said I want to lynch people because I'm mad. Not true.

Edit: X'ed with Sally.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 03:55 PM

Not the point. You said that the role was like you said it was (the birthday dreamer taking the role of the person he/she dreamt) and it wasn't.Not the point... :D

I said it was a reasonable suspicion yesterDay as the role had been of that kind earlier (and btw. again, only the wolves knew yesterDay that was not the case this time around).

Heh, I think I see what you mean though; I seem to be missing quotation marks or a comma from there, or missing a word from there... (the Birthday dreamer role was like I said earlier)Of course I mean that the role was earlier what I said it was - and we couldn't have known it was different now.

I wonder why you think it important enough to comment on? Why would I make such an obviously false statement like that?

Boromir88

12-11-2009, 03:57 PM

Calming down a bit...

Alright.

First off, I apologize for the first thing I said today. Believe it or not, I meant it to come out jokingly, and it didn't turn out that way. I didn't mean to insult anyone, and I'm sorry.

Secondly, I'm making such a big deal out of the way Lottie's lynch went down because I know there are people who act just like that when they're evil. Phantom is one.

Thirdly, the "words" I'm talking about are when you said I want to lynch people because I'm mad. Not true.

Edit: X'ed with Sally.

Fair enough, I take back my high horse comments. Sorry, sometimes I read things as "what are you doing?" as "you're an idiot."

You were right about Lottie, I was wrong. Let's leave it at that.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:58 PM

I wonder why you think it important enough to comment on? Why would I make such an obviously false statement like that?

I thought it might be the language barrier. Okay. Sorry, Nog. :)

Edit: X'ed with Boro.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 03:59 PM

Fair enough, I take back my high horse comments. Sorry, sometimes I read things as "what are you doing?" as "you're an idiot."

'S alright. I take offense to things a lot sometimes. :)

Now, after all that, I still think you're a wolf. :p

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 04:01 PM

Oi! Boro, Shasta, chill. Arguing will get us nowhere.

So Brinn's dead, and toDay we must lynch two (more or less). I have an idea, and it may not be popular but I think it'll work.

I think the hunter should come out toDay.

There. I'll just let that sink in a bit, then I'll explain.

I think I see where you're going with this. The hunter has two shots at a wolf, since there are two alive. If we sacrifice the hunter and take those two shots, plus lynch someone not on the hunter's list, that's three shots at two wolves today.

Am I right?

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 04:03 PM

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 04:07 PM

I think I see where you're going with this. The hunter has two shots at a wolf, since there are two alive. If we sacrifice the hunter and take those two shots, plus lynch someone not on the hunter's list, that's three shots at two wolves today.

Am I right?

Yes and no. We could clear innocents and maybe kill a wolf at the same time.

Three scenarios:

Ordo reveals as hunter. We lynch them because they're silly (this is NOT the Day to go for that rash of a plan, not when this can be so perfectly orchestrated) and we get nothing.

Wolf reveals as hunter. We lynch them and we have a wolf.

Hunter reveals as hunter. They tell us their list and we lynch them accordingly, then we'll know either a wolf or an innocent (although keep in mind we could lose an ordo this way along with the hunter) and we'll be in a lot better shape (though granted down a hunter as well).

Of course we'll also learn a lot about people's leanings based on this plan and their adherence to it. We can't lose. Now we just need our hunter to come out. You know who you are, we do not. Do as you see fit; if there is no reveal toDay I say we agree as much as possible on our top two lynch candidates, lynch (rather sacrifice) one, then use that information to see what to do with the other.

Thoughts?

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 04:09 PM

The problem with that plan, though, is that if the Hunter doesn't have a wolf on their list, then we're down two innocents even before the lynch. Can we afford to lose three innocents today? We're at eight people and two wolves now... with a possible four innocent deaths, that's a wolf win.

Yeah, but also keep in mind that we will lose an innocent but gain a known innocent (because if an innocent dies with the hunter we know they had no wolf on their list), which the ranger will then (hopefully) be able to protect, giving us not only a known ordo but a ranger as well. How we can assure the ranger's identity I know not, unless they've worked out some sort of code or something, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take if I thought it was a good chance of a wolf catch.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 04:16 PM

Hmm... I'm a bit confused over the speculation as I can't see the sense there... Let's make a quick eyeing on the rules first...

1 Hunter – she stands with the innocents, and at any point of the game, she can choose people whom she is going to watch and take with her in case she dies. That effectively means that the Hunter will send me a list of three or less names (maximally up to the number of living Werewolves in game), and if she is killed during the Night and there is a Werewolf on the list, the Werewolf who is first on the list will die alongside her; otherwise, nothing happens. If the Hunter is lynched and there is a Werewolf on the list, the Werewolf who is the first on the list will die alongside her; otherwise, the first person who is on the list will die alongside her.
Now obviously we wouldn't lynch the hunter if s/he revealed during the Day as there is the possibility of an innocent going down. It would ease our choice though for who to lynch: one less to choose from. The downside would be that the wolves would not kill her/him either so we'd face the "believability problem" once again.

With a rivalling call we'd need to be careful as lynching the wrong one would once again make the possibility of an extra innocent dying possible.

Although to be honest, if a hunter doesn't get it right having three chances out of six possibilities, then it's a bit bad hunting...

But anyway, it's for the hunter (and ranger - they can talk, wasn't it so?) to decide.

EDIT: X'd with Sally... and needs to rethink the scenario she gives...

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 04:19 PM

Hmm... I'm a bit confused over the speculation as I can't see the sense there... Let's make a quick eyeing on the rules first...

Now obviously we wouldn't lynch the hunter if s/he revealed during the Day as there is the possibility of an innocent going down. It would ease our choice though for who to lynch: one less to choose from. The downside would be that the wolves would not kill her/him either so we'd face the "believability problem" once again.

With a rivalling call we'd need to be careful as lynching the wrong one would once again make the possibility of an extra innocent dying possible.

Although to be honest, if a hunter doesn't get it right having three chances out of six possibilities, then it's a bit ad hunting...

But anyway, it's for the hunter (and ranger - they can talk, wasn't it so?) to decide.

Good point (the underlining) but make sure to take my view into consideration.

Not to be rude, but a living hunter is a useless hunter. Whether or not they have their picks right we'll learn something. In fact we can advise them on how to pick if we want, though of course it is their choice in the end. I'd at least be willing to give it a shot, assuming they do indeed decide to come out. It'd teach us a lot about the alignment of people, based on how they reacted to lynching the hunter once they discovered their list, etc. The only way to find out is to try?

EDIT: Didn't realize Nogrod had x'd with me, so I'll let him think it over before I respond further. :)

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 04:21 PM

Yeah, but also keep in mind that we will lose an innocent but gain a known innocent (because if an innocent dies with the hunter we know they had no wolf on their list), which the ranger will then (hopefully) be able to protect, giving us not only a known ordo but a ranger as well. How we can assure the ranger's identity I know not, unless they've worked out some sort of code or something, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take if I thought it was a good chance of a wolf catch.

No, no, I mean, look what happens if we're wrong -

Hunter is sacrificed. Hunter has no wolf on their list - Hunter and innocent die.
Innocent is lynched.
Innocent is wolf-killed.
Score is 2-2. Wolves win.

Now, we'd have to be extremely wrong for that to happen, that's the worst case scenario. But it's a possibility.

Edit: X'ed with Sally.

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 04:22 PM

No, no, I mean, look what happens if we're wrong -

Hunter is sacrificed. Hunter has no wolf on their list - Hunter and innocent die.
Innocent is lynched.
Innocent is wolf-killed.
Score is 2-2. Wolves win.

Now, we'd have to be extremely wrong for that to happen, that's the worst case scenario. But it's a possibility.

Only if the ranger's a complete idiot. I'm just sayin'.

But yes, I see your point. If this goes wrong it's End Game, but if it goes right we could end this toDay as well. And as Nog pointed out, if our hunter has both of their picks wrong then the wolves are very clever and as much as I wouldn't like it they deserve to win.

Where's everyone else by the way?

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 04:25 PM

Also, to play Devil's Advocate (Hi, I'm Nogrod, nice to meet you :p), a Hunter that dies via wolf-kill is much more useful than a Hunter who dies via lynch. There's no chance of an innocent dying, there's the obvious waste of a wolf-kill, and in our situation taking a wolf with them is the absolute worst-case scenario for a Hunter who is nightkilled. Look -

Scenario A. Hunter is killed. First person on Hunter's list is a wolf - that wolf dies. We're down a wolf.

Scenario B. Hunter is killed. Second person on Hunter's list is a wolf - that wolf dies. We're down a wolf, AND up a cleared innocent (because the first person on the Hunter's list can't be a wolf, otherwise they'd have died first).

Scenario C. Hunter is killed. Hunter has no wolves on their list. Hunter dies, but we're up TWO cleared innocents in exchange.

Edit: X'ed with Sally.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 04:28 PM

Just a minute!

So what you Sally are saying is that the hunter might come forwards and say "heres my three suspects: A, B and C. Now lynch me"?

Let me speculate first with just one lynch to make it easier to count...

So we lynch the hunter and if s/he has a wolf there s/he takes the wolf down and only one wolf is left. Great job!

But if s/he hasn't a wolf on the list, s/he will take one innocent with her/him from the list, but we will know then the two others are innocents. Now the ranger can save the one the wolves would try to kill or not, that would be 50-50. But also we would know that two out of four (those not on her/his list) would be the wolves.

Needs to think more... with the help of a lung-destroyer... :rolleyes:

EDit: X'd with all the last speculations...

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 04:30 PM

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 04:30 PM

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 04:32 PM

Which, if we'd remembered this yesterday, would mean Lottie would still be alive. :rolleyes:

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 04:39 PM

You're right Sally & Shasta... The rules say the maximum number of wolves alive.

Which, if we'd remembered this yesterday, would mean Lottie would still be alive.If we'd come up with this plan... or "remembered" what? Sorry I didn't quite get it.

Anyway. I will be recounting the scenarios...

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 04:46 PM

Sorry, but I have to go. I've loaded up all the pages and will look things over while I'm away tonight but will have no internet (or at least I don't think I will) for eight hours or so. I'll see you all when I get back. Don't do anything stupid. ;)

Shastanis Althreduin

12-11-2009, 04:51 PM

You're right Sally & Shasta... The rules say the maximum number of wolves alive.

If we'd come up with this plan... or "remembered" what? Sorry I didn't quite get it.

Anyway. I will be recounting the scenarios...

If we'd remembered that the Hunter's list consisted of the number of wolves alive, they could have revealed to save Lottie. Remember, your theory rested on the fact that Lottie was a wolf, meaning there would have been three wolves alive. The Hunter could simply have said how many people they were allowed to put on their list at the time to know whether your theory was valid or not.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 04:58 PM

So we are 8 players alive (and with just one lynch considered to make it easier).

4 ordos (who don't know each other or anyone)
2 gifteds (who know each other)
2 wolves (who know each other)

The hunter comes forwards and gives us a list of two, A and B.

We lynch the hunter...

Then hunter dies and takes someone with her (I'll use the feminine here so that I don't have to make that "her/him" stuff everytime I refer to the hunter). As she knows the ranger she has a go for 2 from 6 aka. 1/3 chance of getting it right.

If she gets it right with either of her suspects we will be on 5 against 1 facing the Night with one known innocent the ranger can protect. So on the next Day we'll have 4 against 1 with one known innocent in our middle - so every innocent would have a 50% chance (one of two) to vote for the wolf. Very good!

If she doesn't get it right, she will take one innocent with her and we'll face the Night with 4 against 2. The ranger would save the known innocent so we would arise to a new Day with 3 against 2 with one known innocent. Leaving the innocents with 2 from 3 to vote (as they know themselves to be innocents)! Good, good!

That of course if the ranger is up to her/his tasks - which I hope we can count on.

It looks too good to be true.

If I'm not wrong with this. Please check my calculations (I'll double check them myself as well).

But it also it should be thought what would happen if we did not lynch the revealed hunter but just narrowed our scope of voting toDay - although I think the wolves would be suicidal trying to kill the hunter during the Night.

Or what should we do in case of a counter reveal? Do we have time to check one out with 50-50 chances? I mean if that contest is too tight, should a reasonable hunter stay hidden after all?

Goes to count again...

Remember, your theory rested on the fact that Lottie was a wolf, meaning there would have been three wolves alive. The Hunter could simply have said how many people they were allowed to put on their list at the time to know whether your theory was valid or not.Appreciates being corrected... I see it now.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 05:02 PM

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 05:10 PM

An add-on to the amendment I made...

If it is suspect A for the hunter who is a wolf then we have no known innocent, but if it is B, then we have one (as A is then not a wolf?).

Am I reading the rules right Legate? The rules suggest there is a hierarchy in the hunter's list...

Boromir88

12-11-2009, 05:14 PM

This must be what hell is frozen over. :rolleyes: Spare me from it. I'm drained from thinking and fighting.

++Sacrifice Boro

++Lynch Boro

Have your pick.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 05:20 PM

Well that was an interesting move Boro...

Hard to see an innocent doing that. But why on earth don't you make it a fight? You'd have your chances were you a wolf...

If there was a cobbler around I'd bet my inheritance (little that there is) for Boro being one. :)

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 05:28 PM

Oh Boro, I might see that... maybe you try to sacrifice yourself for the other wolf so that we wouldn't have a reveal of two suspects? That way we'd need to pick the last one quite blindly as the chances for the hunter-reveal would go a lot smaller with only one wolf left (only one pick for her).

So would you be that confident about your mate that s/he is so safe from suspicion right now that this gambling is the better deal for you than checking whether the hunter can pick you guys up?

Boromir88

12-11-2009, 05:32 PM

So would you be that confident about your mate that s/he is so safe from suspicion right now that this gambling is the better deal for you than checking whether the hunter can pick you guys up?

I'm doing whatever it takes to prove I'm innocent. Saying I'm innocent won't do it, so I figured throwing my hands up and saying I'm done will. Do whatever you want, you obviously don't need my help, and I can't give it anymore.

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 05:47 PM

Heh, one scenario for the hunter to entertain herself with...

Pick anyone you feel as your target A and then Boro as your target B. Then come open and we'll lynch you.

If A is killed by you as a wolf, we'll lynch Boro the next Day and win.

If A is not killed by you but Boro is killed, then the ranger will safeguard A the next Night and we have a known innocent with us tomorrow with a situation of 4-1 (meaning that every innocent knows her/himself + the known innocent = there are two innocents and one wolf for every innocent to choose from).

If we miss it then, it will be two against one on the last Day...

Any ranger-gambles etc. might change the picture of course.

But looking back... as odd... well as reasonable... as it seems... Boro's coming into the open is actually a good move for a wolf. The risk of us getting them both pinned down with hunter's list of two was probably a too heavy weapon... and he realised that?

So should we just lynch / sacrifice Boro and be happy with it or should we think the other scenarios? It's getting late here but I will see if I can come up with other, better scenarios before I go to sleep...

Oh Boro posted...
I'm doing whatever it takes to prove I'm innocent. Saying I'm innocent won't do it, so I figured throwing my hands up and saying I'm done will. Do whatever you want, you obviously don't need my help, and I can't give it anymore.I just can't see what you mean my friend. :confused:

- You don't think you "prove" yourself innocent by voting yourself.
- You don't give up if you're innocent.
- You have better self-esteem & understanding of the number of votes left to understand that as an innocent we'd need you.

So sorry. I'm not buying that. :rolleyes:

Nogrod

12-11-2009, 06:33 PM

Sorry about flooding the thread but this will be the last from me for now...

I think we should just sacrifice Boro and not lynch anyone (and the hunter should stay hidden).

That way we get rid of one wolf (see my earlier post for reasons why it is so).

So on the next Day we have probably 5-1 situation (or in the best case a 6-1), and possibly ranger and hunter able to secure each other as there are two of them while a lonely wolf can't cheat anymore. Or if the last wolf hits the hunter at Night there is a good possibility the hunter takes her/him down as she goes (and there is no threat to innocents if the wolf hits the hunter at Night).

Day or Night, it's the hunter-time now!

The other possible scenario would be that we sacrifice Boro and then lynch the hunter with her two suspects on board... but I guess we would need further guidance from our mod here as to how the rules apply. If Boro is sacrificed does that mean that it is counted as an act that is done before the lynch thus taking away the second suspect from the hunter's list and leaving her only one target? If it is like that we should probably sacrifice the hunter ("first") and lynch Boro so that we might be able to wrestle the known innocent for toMorrow... but it would mean that we'd lose the possible back-up for the joint gifted's reveal toMorrow, it would mean one more lost innocent (or an immediate victory to be sure), it would mean in the worst scenario a serious crippling of the innocent side.

So for the time being I would suggest we just sacrifice Boro and vote for "no lynch". That's a safer way to go offering us the best returns in comparison with the odds we face with other options (which are not bad either - leaving out nightmare scenarios).

I'll be back with fresher thoughts tomorrow and hopefully able to pay heed to your comments as well. I'm not too sure I'm right here - yesterDay kind of looms over my head still - but the way Boro acted screams a wolf to me.

Anyway we do not have an "Ordo-Boro", nor a gifted one. So a wolf or yet one more secret role... but not for the good I'd say.

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 11:13 PM

Okay, the first amendment already.

If the hunter gets her suspect A right, we can't know if her suspect B is a wolf or not, so no known innocent there. In case the hunter picks both wrong we have a known innocent on the next Day.

Yes, and that's so horrible because then we're down a wolf. I can see why you'd have a problem with this, as if the hunter has either of their suspects right the worst that can happen is we get a wolf. How horrible! :rolleyes:

This must be what hell is frozen over. :rolleyes: Spare me from it. I'm drained from thinking and fighting.

++Sacrifice Boro

++Lynch Boro

Have your pick.

Erm....awkward. Either Boro's a bold wolf or a stupid innocent (terribly sorry, love, but in this case it's true my little clever darling).

I can see this turning out one of two ways.

A: "Oh, my sweet Westley! What have I done?" Boro's innocent and we're certainly down one because the wolves'll jump right no and the rest of us will doubt his intentions and lynch him. A certain disaster.

B: "Are you mad? You were not hired for your brains...." Boro's a very bold wolf who's bluffing and counting on us not wanting to lynch someone who volunteers to be lynched. We can fall for it and lynch someone else or we can lynch him, which gets us a wolf. But I'm not sure Boro!wolf would do this at this stage.

I'm doing whatever it takes to prove I'm innocent. Saying I'm innocent won't do it, so I figured throwing my hands up and saying I'm done will. Do whatever you want, you obviously don't need my help, and I can't give it anymore.

Yes, but dear, if we have any chance of getting a wolf we should take it. (Assuming the hunter comes out) we go from having no chance of getting a wolf* to taking a chance based on the hunter's list. See my posts before; only a stupid wolf would falsely reveal as the hunter at this point, so if the hunter came out we could take the chance on their list and at the very, very least clear one innocent. I know the odds come Nightfall but I think it's an acceptable risk.

*This is assuming we lynch Boro and he is telling the truth

Morsul the Dark

12-11-2009, 11:21 PM

I'm confused do the rules state a sacrificed hunter would take someone out... doesn't it only work if they're nightkilled?...

anywho I'm tired exhausted really won't be on before DL I'll follow Boro's lead...

++Boro

++Boro

Nerwen

12-11-2009, 11:25 PM

Three scenarios:

Ordo reveals as hunter. We lynch them because they're silly (this is NOT the Day to go for that rash of a plan, not when this can be so perfectly orchestrated) and we get nothing.

You're learning...:rolleyes:

Wolf reveals as hunter. We lynch them and we have a wolf.

Hunter reveals as hunter. They tell us their list and we lynch them accordingly, then we'll know either a wolf or an innocent (although keep in mind we could lose an ordo this way along with the hunter) and we'll be in a lot better shape (though granted down a hunter as well).

Of course we'll also learn a lot about people's leanings based on this plan and their adherence to it. We can't lose.

Yes we can. Your plan is a real gamble– it could mean instant victory for the village, but it could also be a disaster. I'm not saying it's not worth considering, though... still trying to sort the possibilities out.

Now we just need our hunter to come out. You know who you are, we do not. Do as you see fit; if there is no reveal toDay I say we agree as much as possible on our top two lynch candidates, lynch (rather sacrifice) one, then use that information to see what to do with the other.

Sally, you seem to be assuming we can choose to lynch someone, then learn the result, then have the sacrifice. Sounds to me like either they're simultaneous, or the sacrifice comes first.

I'll be back with fresher thoughts tomorrow and hopefully able to pay heed to your comments as well. I'm not too sure I'm right here - yesterDay kind of looms over my head still - but the way Boro acted screams a wolf to me.

Anyway we do not have an "Ordo-Boro", nor a gifted one. So a wolf or yet one more secret role... but not for the good I'd say.

Indeed, I doubt an innocent Boro would self-vote at this point in the game. He should know the numbers are getting to be crucial. I wonder if Legate would tell us whether there's another secret role?

EDIT:X'd with Sally and Morsul.

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 11:29 PM

Actually, that's an interesting thought.

Legate, does the sacrifice work the same way as a lynch for the hunter?

(Also, if the hunter is Day killed they can still take a wolf. The only difference is that if a hunter dies at Night and has no wolves on their list they die alone and if they die by lynch and have no wolves on their list they take the first innocent on their list.)

Nerwen

12-11-2009, 11:31 PM

I'm confused do the rules state a sacrificed hunter would take someone out... doesn't it only work if they're nightkilled?...

Nightkilled or lynched.

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

Morsul the Dark

12-11-2009, 11:33 PM

just reread the rules ok that's cleared up...

Thanks Nerwen

Morsul the Dark

12-11-2009, 11:35 PM

1/8 getting a huner... 1/3 they get a wolf..... 1/24 plan works just over 4%

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 11:39 PM

1/8 getting a huner... 1/3 they get a wolf..... 1/24 plan works just over 4%

Not really. If someone comes out as the hunter we can be pretty certain they are because if people agree to go along with the plan and lynch the person who comes out only an idiot would fake a reveal, because it wouldn't help their team.

If you don't like the plan, that's fine. I'm just suggesting it, and talking about the logistics of it is just taking up time. Agree or disagree to go along with it but otherwise get on with other discussions.

satansaloser2005

12-11-2009, 11:40 PM

just reread the rules ok that's cleared up...

Thanks Nerwen

You're welcome.

I don't know how much longer I'll be on tonight. To be honest I feel incredibly crappy, so I'll likely succumb to sleep soon.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 12:13 AM

New suspect - Morsul. Following Boro's self vote, or jumping on it? Why?

Morsul the Dark

12-12-2009, 12:39 AM

New suspect - Morsul. Following Boro's self vote, or jumping on it? Why?

because I'm tired and won't be on tomorrow... end of reasons... or rather today

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 02:44 AM

After a good hard think...

++Sacrifice Boromir88
++Shasta

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 02:45 AM

...because three shots are better than two and I've been feeling summarily useless. :smokin:

Nerwen

12-12-2009, 02:54 AM

You're the Hunter, then, Shasta?

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 02:59 AM

You're the Hunter, then, Shasta?

Affirmative, my darling. :p

Nerwen

12-12-2009, 03:03 AM

Affirmative, my darling. :p

Why so rude, jewel of my soul?

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:17 AM

Why so rude, jewel of my soul?

I'm being rude, she with whom the heavens cannot compete? I surely do not intend to be. If I hath offended thine delicate sensibilities, I pray thee forgive this humble woodsman. :Merisu:

Nerwen

12-12-2009, 03:32 AM

I'm being rude, she with whom the heavens cannot compete? I surely do not intend to be. If I hath offended thine delicate sensibilities, I pray thee forgive this humble woodsman. :Merisu:

My treasure, your words were fittingly polite, yet you accompanied them with an out-thrust tongue.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:41 AM

My treasure, your words were fittingly polite, yet you accompanied them with an out-thrust tongue.

Not near so offensive as a biting of the thumb, I trust?

Nerwen

12-12-2009, 08:20 AM

Not near so offensive as a biting of the thumb, I trust?

Ah, my beloved, but would you not have used a :bitesthumb: emoticon if perchance such a thing existed?

...Anyone around?

Nerwen

12-12-2009, 09:03 AM

Anyway, since my beloved king has chosen to make the supreme sacrifice–

++Shasta.

Look, it really should work... and of course the light of my life has psychic powers on his side...

And–

++Sacrifice Boro

Nerwen

12-12-2009, 09:14 AM

Well, I have to go. Good luck.

Boromir88

12-12-2009, 09:30 AM

Bes

12-12-2009, 10:00 AM

*scratches head* Well, uhm. Sorry Boro? I hope you feel better; A silly game shouldn't be allowed to ruin your whole day. :( However, since you did volunteer yourself... Just to let you know, I think I get where you were going with that move (maybe?), but Mnemo did more or less the same thing and was lynched pretty much immediately after. Anyway, I send hugs and positive thoughts.

Shasta's plan is admirable enough, though with how enthused with it Shasta and Sally were yesterday, I'm sort of surprised to hear that either of them is the hunter... Then again, if you're not you don't gain much by voting for yourself and encouraging others to do the same, so I guess Shasta is? Best of luck!

++Shasta
++sacrifice Boro

Also, I have to go for a while, won't be back before the DL; Christmas shopping. Later folks!

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 11:48 AM

You know, I was going to explain my situation fully, because I thought it was the right thing, but since I'm stupid forget it. You don't deserve it. Thanks for making the start of today, almost as bad as yesterday.

Good hunting Shasta (I mean that with complete sincerity).

*hugs you* It's not that I didn't believe you; in fact I did, which is why I didn't like the sacrificing of you.

I still want clarification on this whole sacrificing thing; I'm trying to decide if sacrificing Shasta would be easier/more productive, given the information we could gain from his death. But a lynch would be fine too, as long as we sacrifice properly. If Boro wishes to leave the game I'll vote him but otherwise I'd like to take our chances at a wolf toDay since it's rather imperative that we catch one.

Oh, and Shasta, we've yet to see your list. I'm just saying.

(Also, LONG LIVE THE DOWNS!!!!!!!!!!!)

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 12:03 PM

And a hush fell over the crowd. Guess I'll snag some lunch then.

*watches Schindler's List and waits for new posts*

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 12:37 PM

Two and a half hours until DL and no one's on? Where are you all?

*does some checking*

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 01:40 PM

I couldn't help noticing that no one went in-depth as to why Brinn was killed. So I've decided to go over her posts.

Ugh, I just remembered how awful this deadline is for me. I'm only going to be around for a small window during the first half of the Day, unfortunately. So I'll do my best to participate now, though I'm afraid it's not much.

Nienna seemed to be the first to move away from the banter, which I appreciate. Right now I'm just too tired to process any long bantery posts, so let's just stay on-topic, okay?

On the subject of the gifteds, I agree we just leave it alone and not worry about accidentally lynching them. Our roles are our own responsibility and it's up to the gifted how they play. If we lynch them, it's not our fault; they are the ones to blame because it is by their own actions that makes them suspicious. And anyway, if we focus too much on who the gifteds may be and how to avoid them, we may end up leaving clues for the wolves, which could be quite dangerous if any of them are accurate.

Btw, I don't think Boro is saying let's lynch those who make sense and leave alone anyone who is acting suspicious. I think he's just trying to say we need to keep in mind that not everyone who is obviously suspicious is a wolf (and may even be possibly gifted) and not everyone who makes sense is innocent. So we can't make any assumptions based on that alone. Which I agree.

How I hate Day Ones. Not that they're useless, but I always have trouble coming to any conclusions, especially this early in the Day. I don't think it'd be right for me to vote now since it'd have to be completely random and I'm not in the mood for randomness. So I may not vote at all toDay. There's a possibility I'll be able to pop in real quick and vote later toMorrow, but don't have any high expectations.

P.S. I also think we should keep in mind that the polar bears are an endangered species and we must work to save them. Because if we can't catch the wolves, the polar bears will totally do the job for us and eat them for breakfast.

Likes Nienna and Boro, hates Day Ones, loves polar bears who eat wolves.

And I'm sure you'd call it equally safe if I were to randomly vote instead. But at that point of the Day when it's too early to have the slightest suspicion, what else am I supposed to do?

I'm pretty sure Nogrod is talking about my own decision not to vote because it was still too early in the Day, even if I might not return.

But anyway, I am back now, for a short time at least (my participation may be spotty since I am at work). And if I have enough time to look back at some things and see enough to form a suspicion, then I will vote before I leave again.

I don't like the jump on Boro either. I personally found his message to make perfect sense, so I don't really know what the reactions are all about and for that reason, I would like to go back and take a look at those who did jump on him.

Also, I think voting for someone based only on what you think is a 'slip' is rather ridiculous. If you think that way, then fine. But have some evidence to further back up that suspicion before making the vote.

Seems to not like Nog, definitely dislikes the voting for Boro (thus liking Boro) and talks about slips a bit.

That already happened last game. Back then it was quite fun since I was teamed with them, but if they are in cahoots together yet again, just kill me now.

Btw, I'm voting shortly since I'm done with work soon and I'm tired of looking over my shoulder in fear of getting yelled at by my boss..

Says a Roa and Nog team would be insane.

I almost forgot to vote! I'm a bit rushed since I have to run to class, but here we go..

The two people who stuck in my mind as suspicious are Nogrod and Nerwen. Nogrod's certainty over Roa's guilt seems a bit odd; why so confident on Day One? Whoever mentioned that his behaviour seems cobblerish, I agree. The problem is we don't even know whether we have a cobbler or not. As for Nerwen, she was very quick to jump on Roa's attack on Boro earlier; a very bandwaggonish move, which I find suspicious. So...

++Nerwen

Of course it's always possible...and it'd be almost funny if it did happen again. Anyway it seems quite typical for Nogrod and Roa to butt heads; though that does not necessarily point toward innocence or guilt.

Suspects Nog and Nerwen, mentions the possibility of a cobbler. Nog was too sure of Roa's guilt and Nerwen was too quick to follow Roa. (Interesting....) Votes Nerwen.

So Roa dropped? What a shame; I was hoping to see more of the Nog & Roa show. But really, before I knew she dropped, I was starting to think it perhaps more likely that those two really were just two innocents at each other's throats. Nogrod can be a bold wolf, so I won't eliminate the possibility, but still it is rather risky to be going at it with an innocent with such force as early as Day One. If they are both innocent, the Roa vs. Nogrod was a great distraction for the wolves. With the events of yesterDay, our baddies could easily set him up for the next lynch target I think, which is why I would be rather uncomfortable to vote for him toDay.

Okay, now that really is a stretch. When I said "whether we have a cobbler," I meant "we" as in "the village." I really can't see what was wrong with what I said or why you'd consider it a 'slip.'

I don't exactly understand Loslote's vote for Lommy. She summarises a post of her's, yet fails to provide any of her own commentary.

Says now that Nog is probably innocent and was just squabbling with ordo!Roa. Talks about her "slip" and says she doesn't understand Lottie's vote.

Well of course you would add it and I wouldn't expect anything less; after all, twisting words into 'slips' is something wolves enjoy doing.

Btw, I'm not exactly sure why my Nerwen vote looks bad. It's not the strongest reasoning, I admit, but I still think it was a valid one. And it's certainly better than no reason at all.

Once again, I really don't have the time I need to get a better grasp on players. I'll try to hold off my vote for now, though it will have to be sometime in the next four hours. Anyway, right now the closest thing I have to a vote is Loslote for her unreasoned vote. She even admitted she didn't have a reason to suspect Lommy. Summarising a post of her's does not make it look better if there's no actual opinion shared or conclusions made.

I think you should've gone by that name. It so much more fun to say, not to mention it's easier to rhyme (like Steve).

Says wolves enjoy twisting words. (I mention this because at some recent point Lommie made a huge point of how much wolves don't do this on purpose. Seems an interesting contrast, though I'm not positive it means something.) Still suspects Nerwen and doesn't know why people think the vote looks bad. Doesn't like Lottie. Makes fun of me. Heh.

I have to go to class in about 10 minutes, so I'm voting now. And since no better candidates have come forward:

++Loslote

No, she has not been back to explain her vote, and she probably won't return toDay. But even if she does return, I have doubts there will be much explaining considering in the posts before her vote she kept saying she suspects Lommy, but doesn't have a reason for it. She'd probably call it a gut feeling or something like that, but at this point we're beyond gut feelings and unreasoned suspicion. With eight pages of posts, surely everyone should have at least some reason to suspect somebody. With perhaps the exception of those majorly lacking in time. Which I don't think is the case with Loslote, because then I don't think she would've even bothered to summarise Lommy's post. I still don't understand why that summary is even there, if there is no conclusion made from it...or if there is, she's not sharing it which is silly since the conclusion is more important than the summary itself.

If I had time, I'd respond to Sally's analysis of me since I find some points rather flawed, but unfortunately I really must go, so it'll have to wait until toMorrow. Btw dear, while Sally can be rhymed with, Stan is such a better name for rhyming. For example, if you were named Stan, I could write a poem about Stan and the Saucepan Man. So there.

Votes Lottie for her unexplained behavior. Says she'd respond to my analysis of her but doesn't have time.

Heh, I didn't even remember that until you mentioned it...and even then it's still blurry. But really, I don't have any harsh feelings against Loslote; I simply found her actions yesterDay to be suspicious.

So apparently Eomer has come to the conclusion that everyone who voted Mnemo is innocent and those who tried to save her are probably guilty. That is a horrible assumption to make. While those who weren't convinced of Mnemo's guilt may look more suspicious, that doesn't necessarily mean they are. And with seven votes for Mnemo, I think it could be very likely that at least one is wolf-on-wolf. There are players among the Mnemo voters who are risk-takers and would probably be perfectly okay with sacrificing a wolf to make them look better.

Btw, I'm slightly concerned about this jump on Nienna. Yes, she tried to save Mnemo twice, but that doesn't make her automatically guilty. I've seen plenty of innocents get lynched in the past for this reason and because of that, the wolves could easily set Nienna up to be toDay's lynch, so let's not jump to conclusions. Of course now that I've said this, she'll probably turn out to be a wolf after all. But unless she does something majorly suspicious toDay, I doubt I'll vote her.

Hmm...I'm not convinced. The problem with the secret role is that it's so much easier for a baddie to get away with a fake reveal since we don't know what the role is. One dream for the entire game? A limited seer is certainly possible, though I honestly expected more from a secret role.

While I'm still not sure whether to believe Loslote's claim, I will give her the benefit of the doubt for toDay and see what dream she comes up with toMorrow. It'd be pretty silly to lynch her now with the chance that she is telling the truth. I wonder if there'll be a counter reveal...

Still finds Lottie suspicious. Talks about Eomer and Mnemo votes, etc. Doesn't know whether to believe Lottie.

Well, so long as the ranger is still alive by toNight, they can protect her. I too thought it odd that she would reveal now considering she's not even a serious lynch candidate at the moment. But if she is telling the truth and considering it doesn't look like she'll be back before deadline, she could've just panicked.

Wait, what? I just said I'm NOT convinced of her reveal. But still, even if there is a counter reveal, I'll still give her the benefit of the doubt for toDay because I don't want to risk the chance that she is what she says she is and lose a possible dream. If this is a false reveal, we will figure it out eventually; we always do.

Nothing much but about Lottie again.

Well, I didn't say I thought Eomer wanted to lynch everyone who defended Mnemo, just that he labeled them all as suspicious. But I was more concerned about him labeling everyone who voted Mnemo as most likely innocent. I agree that those who defended Mnemo should be looked at because there's a good chance one is a wolf, but I also think it's just as likely that there's one wolf among the group that voted Mnemo.

Clarified an earlier point so not much.

If I were a wolf with Nienna, chances are I'd be throwing her under the bus rather than saving her. Because with her vote record, she'd probably deserve it. Sorry Nienna.

In the past, I've had no problems with lynching a fellow wolf if I thought that was necessary to make myself look better and/or they were drawing enough attention to themselves anyway. Which is probably why I'm wary of the Mnemo voters. I know I'm not the only player here that doesn't mind throwing a fellow wolf under the bus.

We all have different ways in how we play, so I accept that. I understand why you'd find those who voted to save Mnemo and I don't see leaving the Mnemo voters alone for toDay as a problem...I just don't want to see them fall under the radar or continue to be disregarded later on, because if we did that, we could easily be handing the victory to the wolves.

Yes, Nienna's votes are her own errors, but if she's innocent, I could easily imagine the wolves at Night saying something like, "Pity we lost Mnemo, but look at Nienna's vote record; she could easily be set up for toMorrow's lynch, and with little help from us." The wolves don't need to create this whole bandwagon to get her lynched; sometimes all they need to do is give a gentle nudge and the village will take the bait.

I'm not trying to make people look like they're assuming one way or the other, but I did notice earlier in the Day that most players seemed to have Nienna at the top of their suspicion list, which is an indication of how toDay's voting might sway. And I'm concerned people will be too quick to jump on the most obviously suspicious person since more often than not they turn out innocent. I get the feeling that Nienna may be a mislead innocent, though I can't say I'm entirely confident about that since she has as a wolf managed to get away with some very suspicious stuff in the past. I don't care to see her lynched toDay, but would rather like to keep an eye on her.

I doubt that the role is a modified wolf since I agree with Boro that it wouldn't be a separate role, but an extension of a current wolf role. But it's possible the secret role is a cobbler. Or perhaps a cursed...though I think that's less likely.

Talks about Nienna and the Mnemo votes again, then about the secret role.

Okay, while I don't like Bes's vote at all, I think it looks more like a newbie move than a necessarily evil one.

Boromir seems so sensible, I'm actually kind of scared he's actually a wolf. If he is, he's fooling me big time.

I won't vote Nogrod toDay since it's his special day and I'm not mean like Sally. I don't have a reason why I'd want to vote him anyway.

A Nienna lynch still looks too easy, so I won't support one for toDay.

Shasta has been itching up my suspicion list. It's not so much the votes, but some other comments. Like a couple remarks he made about me (both yesterDay and toDay). It's the way he suggested that some things I said look suspicious...like he was throwing it out in the open and waiting to see if anyone will take the bait (for example the 'slip,' and when others didn't he quickly backtracked). I also agree with whoever said that his response to Mnemo's role is a bit suspicious. I'm always wary of those who react like "oh, I guess I was wrong...oops" in the same way I'm always wary of those who are all like "yay for the ranger/hunter" whenever a gifted successfully does their job in the Night.

Eomer is also one I'm worried about. The timing of his vote could easily be wolf-on-wolf and I wouldn't put it past him to do that. His cool and relaxed manner also make me uneasy...almost like he doesn't care too much about which way the votes will swing. There's something about his behaviour that's just very sneaky.

I'd like to look more at Sally since I'm feeling rather iffy about her and her behaviour these past Days. Unfortunately, I don't really have time since I should be working on my school project now. I'm not eager to lynch her now since I'd prefer to look back at her posts first, but if it came between her and Nienna, I'd rather see Sally go.

EDIT: X-ed with a gazillion posts

Thinks Bes is new but not bad. Likes Boro and Nog. Suspects Shasta more and more. Worries more about Eomer and wants to look more closely at me.

Have I been nice to you? I thought I was just ignoring you. I've been ignoring a lot of people admittingly, mostly due to my lack of time. I just don't have time to analyse everyone, so I just pay attention to those who jump out as suspicious to me. But I can suspect you if you like.

I don't really understand why my defense of Nienna is so suspicious. I just think it's a bad idea to lynch her toDay because she's been appointed toDay's easy lynch since the very start and it all looks too simple. If she acts suspicious in future Days to come, then my mind might change, but for now I won't be voting her.

Again, talking about Nienna.

++Sally

Self-explanatory.

Why? Because you think me against lynching Nienna suddenly makes her more guilty?

Nienna again.

P.S. Nienna if you are a wolf, you won't be getting brownies for me next time I make them. (btw, will you be a dear and take my meat out of the freezer...I'd like to make tacos this weekend)

EDIT: x-ed with mod...sorry

Banter type stuff, again with/about Nienna.

I should just rub it in all your faces now and say I told you so. It was a mistake to lynch Nienna, she was the easy lynch, the most obvious suspect usually turns out innocent, blah, blah, blah. Shame on those who didn't listen, especially the ones who accused me of being a wolf defending a fellow wolf (I mean really, where's the logic here?). You may have killed Nienna, but she still gets her brownie. So there.

I'm much more ready to believe Loslote toDay as she's exposed a wolf and I would expect a baddie posing as a wolf to 'dream' of an innocent. Otherwise it's plain suicide...unless she's a wolf sacrificing a fellow wolf to look good which I don't find at all likely since it's rather risky (especially since I can't recall Pitchwife receiving much suspicion, so why sacrifice him). Anyway, we can lynch him toDay, but we should also be a bit productive and try to sniff out the other two.

Lommy I'm very suspicious of due to her posts at the end of yesterDay. Shasta I was worried about already and I'm worrying about him even more toDay. Nogrod, I'd like you to answer my question from the end of yesterDay because I'm still confused why my post decided your vote.

Believes Lottie now and suspects Lommie. Is worried about Shasta and wants answers from Noggins.

I believe I did explain my suspicions yesterDay. And then your actions at the end of the Day looks awfully sinister which is why I'm even more worried about you.

Shasta was present and posting at the end of the Day before the tie occurred. If he had abstained from voting, people would've questioned it. Sure he could've said he lost track of time or something, but that would've been unsporty. So I don't think the fact that he voted at all gives any indication towards what his role may be.

Hmm...I've heard of that role before from way back in the early days of WW. I can't recall ever seeing that role used in a game since I started playing, so I think it's been years since it's been used.

Speculation about Shasta's voting and the secret role.

Yeah, I pretty much expected you would say that considering you even hinted at it yesterDay. At the time, a lot of people though my defense was a wolf-on-wolf one, but then you put that out there. Makes me wonder if that's because you already knew Nienna would be revealed innocent upon death and you're trying to keep suspicion cast on me. I won't deny that defending Nienna is something I'd do as a wolf as I have done it before, but that is not the case this time. I'm just an innocent who made a valid point yesterDay. I was getting quite frustrated that everyone was knocking me down for defending her, so I'm quite relieved I was actually right as it makes sticking my neck out for her worthwhile.

I actually seem to find Lommy rather innocent in most games, but this time that is not so which makes me wonder if there's a good reason for that. It wouldn't be the first time I've detected a Lommywolf.

Actually, it's not the vote for Nienna itself that I find suspicious, but the things you said at the end of the Day which led up to it.

Thinks she might have caught a Lommie wolf.

I need to get ready to go out, so I might as well do this before I forget:

++Pitchwife

Votes Pitch. (Where did that come from?!)

Well, you suggested it:

This was from Lommie, talking about a possible Brinn/Nienna pairing I think. (Sorry, had the post called up but closed the tab, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

None of the top contenders were really that preferable to me. wilwa has completely slipped under my radar and I didn't feel one way or the other about her, so I didn't think it'd be appropriate to vote her. Sally I was feeling iffy about at the time; I did say I'd rather not vote her since I didn't have a strong reason for it and needed to look at her more closely, but I would vote her if it came between Nienna and Sally. If I'd seen Nienna's vote I'd probably have voted wilwa instead, but we obviously crossed. ToDay I'm feeling better about Sally; she's giving off innocent vibes now, though I seem to be going back and forth on her.

Felt iffy about me and is talking about the previous Day's voting.

Sorry for my lack of participation again (as finals get closer, I'm afraid it's only going to get worse). It's late and I know I'll only have a little time tomorrow to post, so I won't be able to say much toDay.

So far, my opinion of Lommy has not changed. Shasta looks a little better toDay, but I'm still worried about him from past Days. Mac has bleeped up my radar a bit. This game he's been playing pretty smoothly; while he receives some attention it's not too much. There's something about his manner that reminds me of when he was a wolf in past games. I don't think I'll vote him toDay since most of my suspicion is gut feeling, which is not enough, but I do think it'd be wise to watch him more carefully. Perhaps Boro as well since he hasn't gotten much attention throughout the game, though I'm a little less worried about him.

It's a good point to bring up, as too often I've seen wolves react in this manner. If any of them are wolves, I'd imagine it's just one as I can't see both wolves reacting in the same way. Of course, these sort of reactions don't always necessarily mean one has to be guilty, but it certainly doesn't help that all three of them have happened to be on my suspicion list at one time or another.

Okay, I'm going to bed now as I'm already half-asleep and not thinking straight. And I have to get up early anyway.

Talking about wolf reactions. Says Shasta looks better and Boro's being passed over.

You can't really predict how someone may act effort-wise as a wolf, as it can change each game depending on time, calculated style changes, etc. I don't see how Shasta's high activity makes him more innocent. Why do you think he would be more lazy as a wolf? That could be a very wild guess considering in all the games he's played, Shasta has only been a wolf like twice. One of which I was a wolf with him and I actually recall that he was fairly active, though perhaps my memory is mistaken since that was a long time ago. Anyway, I find it interesting that you use me as an example of a wolf who wastes a lot of energy on analyses considering I haven't made a single analysis and yet you still suspected me yesterDay.

Well, I wouldn't say it's quite suspicion...more like concern. But yes, I know it's vague, which is why I won't make anything of it toDay since I don't have time to look any further into why I'm feeling worried about you.

Also, perhaps my perception is different because I admittingly skim through most of the thread, so I probably miss a lot that others pick up on.

If we agree on something like that, then of course the wolves won't kill her as they can safely assume we'll take care of her for them if she's still alive in a couple Days. So I agree it's rather ridiculous to say that.

Says loud!Shasta isn't necessarily innocent!Shasta, then talks about Lottie again.

I disagree. If they have the time, I'd think wolves would want to analyse more. Because with an analysis, they can build a better case against an innocent to get them lynched. Well reasoned votes after an analysis don't get questioned as much as a votes made without providing analysis first.

Are you talking about The Republic? I put a lot of effort into that one because I had to survive as a lone wolf for five Days and went to extreme measures to do so. But I also remember a game of Nogrod's where I spent literally all night analysing and by the end of the game had 70-something pages of handwritten notes. And what role was I? An ordo. But at the same time, I know I've also been a lazy wolf. Basically what I'm saying is that if anyone tries to figure me out based on my effort, they won't get anywhere because it frequently changes and mostly has to do with RL. It's also why I try to avoid suspecting/disregarding people for this reason, because surely I'm not the only one who is like this.

I have to run to class and won't be back, so time to go:

++Lommy

If you want reasons, just look through my posts from the past two Days. Sorry, but I really have to go now so I just don't have time to further explain here.

Says little, votes for Lommie.

Well, I don't know if they were intentionally trying to frame me or at least I doubt that was their main motive for killing Mac. I don't think wolves often kill someone just to frame an innocent; if someone's framed, it's usually a bonus.

You thought you would be killed last Night? Really? After being fairly suspected yesterDay and wilwa turning out innocent? I'm not buying it.

Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced Lommy is a wolf and she can try to defend herself all she wants, but I highly doubt she could change my mind on this. I would really like to see Lommy lynched toDay because until I know for sure whether I'm right, I'm going to have a lot of trouble focusing on anyone else. Every post she makes seems to seep with evil juice and it's bothering me so much. And knowing her role would tell us so much. Gah, I just have to be right about this! *is attempting to channel Shasta's psychic abilities*

Nogrod is looking innocent to me. Not only because he also suspects Lommy, but partly because of him mentioning the effort he's put into analysing at Night only for it to be for nothing, and obviously a wolf wouldn't spend hours analysing someone they're planning to kill off. Of course he could be just lying, but his comments and frustration over it felt sincere to me.

So that attempted last minute bandwagon against me yesterDay I find very suspicious since many last minute bandwagons in the past involved a wolf. It's one reason why I'm surprised to find Mac Night killed, as his death obviously clears him. It's one of the many reasons I find Lommy suspicious; the way she casually said she could go for a Brinn lynch, but wasn't trying to push for it too much. Reminds me of something I've done as a wolf in previous games. Sally I think was the one who first suggested it, which makes her look quite bad. But I don't think she and Lommy are both wolves as I would imagine the final two would spread themselves out a little more. But if I'm wrong about Lommy then Sally needs to be seriously examined.

Dislikes Lommie, likes Nog and thinks I'm probably evil for suggesting lynching her.

I agree with the whole fighting back part. Lommy feels like a cornered wolf to me and I swear I remember seeing her act this way before as a threatened wolf. Which is probably why I'm so convinced she is one this time.

If I'm somehow wrong about Lommy, I don't think that necessarily means Nogrod is guilty. At this stage, I don't really see why a wolfish Nogrod who has been under not much scrutiny himself would want to build this huge case against an innocent who could probably still get lynched without it.

I'm not sure a Borowolf would be so obvious in defending her if they were packmates. There's a good chance Lommy could be lynched toDay, and if they were wolves together, I'd imagine the smarter thing to do would be to go wolf on wolf. And I know Boro doesn't mind throwing fellow wolves under the bus, so why would he defend his mate if it'll only make him look worse?

I did say I have doubts that you and Sally are wolves together, so knowing your role could raise or lower my suspicions of her. That's only one example.

Nah. Your vote for wilwa only added fuel to an already burning fire. I've been suspecting you since the end of Day 3.

Thinks Lommie's most certainly a wolf, says Boro probably wouldn't be so transparent if he were lupine.

But if it's between two people, I'd rather vote for the one I find more suspicious, which is you.

I admit it's possible my suspicion of you has blinded me from your defenses as I cannot see it coming from anything but an evil perspective. And I know it's annoying for someone to be stuck on one person (especially if you're the victim), but I'm not just going to let go because of the possibility I could be wrong. You've been this way before too. In the last game I modded, you insisted Mac was a wolf and wouldn't let go of it until he was lynched...and in the end, you were right. So while you still hate it, surely you can see where I'm coming from. If I'm wrong and you are innocent, then I apologise, though I won't feel too terrible since I didn't suspect you without good reason.

Nogrod makes an interesting point about Lottie's role, though I wouldn't be too quick to jump on her just because of what the role might've involved in the past. For one thing, the birthday dreamer role hasn't been used for a long time, before Legate's time too I think. His version of birthday dreamer could possibly be different than what it originally was. I just don't understand why she would reveal if this was so; maybe she didn't know the role already existed? I don't have time to figure this out, so I'll think about it more toMorrow when I actually have time.

I have class now, so I must vote now since I won't be back. No surprises here:

++Lommy

Votes Lommie again and talks of Lottie (again again again again again....you get the idea).

This seems too obvious to be set up by Lommie. It could be to frame her but I doubt it. Brinn left little trace really (other than her one-woman crusade against our little Finnish friend) and if you ask me I know how much of a quiet gifted Brinn can be so the wolves may have hoped she was the ranger. After all, now's the time to get rid of that particular gifted. Really it seems like a good no-trace kill (though it's a bit late in the game for those so I'm obviously not sure what the wolves were thinking) and a safe choice, possibly a gifted hunt.

I guess that explains why no one's put up something like this yet, eh? :rolleyes:

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 01:46 PM

Alright. I checked with Legate, and if Boro's a wolf, I'll still get two shots because the sacrifice and the lynch happen virtually simultaneously.

My list is Bes, followed by Nogrod. If I die and Bes is a wolf, he will die with me and I can't help you with Nogrod. If I die and Nogrod is a wolf, Nogrod will die with me and Bes is a cleared innocent. If I die and have no wolves on my list, Bes will die with me and Nogrod will be a cleared innocent.

Good luck, village. Shasta out.

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 01:48 PM

I'm still not happy with just sacrificing Boro. Of course I also can't help but feel that's how he wants me to feel.

Either way....

++Shasta

Like I said, it'd be dumb for him to pretend at this point. I'll take the chance on his list.

Shasta, you should stick around if for no other reason that I'm lonely. :Merisu:

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 01:54 PM

But I already made my dramatic exit...

Also, if the unthinkable happens and either Boro is not a wolf, first lynch whichever of Nogrod and Bes I don't kill. Then lynch Lommy. :Merisu:

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 01:55 PM

But I already made my dramatic exit...

Also, if the unthinkable happens and either Boro is not a wolf, first lynch whichever of Nogrod and Bes I don't kill. Then lynch Lommy. :Merisu:

But I'm all alone....etc, etc. And I'd still rather sacrifice someone else. Dunno.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 01:57 PM

But I'm all alone....etc, etc. And I'd still rather sacrifice someone else. Dunno.

Can't, now. That's four sacrifice votes for Boro.

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 01:59 PM

Can't, now. That's four sacrifice votes for Boro.

Really? *does maths* Ah, so you're right. Actually it's five. Darn. *shrugs* Guess we'll find out then, eh?

++Sacrifice Boro (for lack of choice)

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 02:01 PM

I want a parody, Sally. I've never gotten one and I think my sacrifice deserves one. :(

(Also, Nienna, if you're still reading this you should totally make me a word cloud. :D)

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 02:02 PM

I want a parody, Sally. I've never gotten one and I think my sacrifice deserves one. :(

(Also, Nienna, if you're still reading this you should totally make me a word cloud. :D)

For serious? I'm not even at home.

Oh, all right then. Tell me what song you want and I'll see what I can do.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 02:10 PM

For serious? I'm not even at home.

Oh, all right then. Tell me what song you want and I'll see what I can do.

"I'm Alive" from Next to Normal. :smokin:

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 02:11 PM

"I'm Alive" from Next to Normal. :smokin:

You have got to be kidding me. I don't even know that song. *whimpers*

And where the heck is everyone? This is ridiculous.

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 02:12 PM

Okay... back and reading... (Sorry to be this late but the 'Downs was down during the afternoon and I've just come home again)

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 02:14 PM

Okay... back and reading... (Sorry to be this late but the 'Downs was down during the afternoon and I've just come home again)

Heh. Hi, Nog. *waves* :Merisu:

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 02:15 PM

Okay... back and reading... (Sorry to be this late but the 'Downs was down during the afternoon and I've just come home again)

Finally! *glomps you* And I know. I was rather wondering if people just assumed it was still down or something.

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 02:24 PM

Okay. So you decided to go with the gamble then?

That's fine then.

++ sacrifice Boro

++ Shasta

I do think only sacrificing Boro would have been safer but let's see more of the cards then with the risk of an innocent dying. As long as there is someone as an option A I'm comfortable being the option B. :)

*Greeeets*

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 02:27 PM

Than, my sweet Finn. More than with the risk, yadda yadda. *clams up* Sorry, been surfing on facebook to alleviate the boredom and saw it just enough times to make me snap. (Really I don't mind that much, but I had to tease you.)

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 02:29 PM

Oh, and I nearly forgot.

*greeeeeeeeeeeeeeets baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack*

:D

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 02:45 PM

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 02:47 PM

Just for conversation's sake then - if those people who are going to vote have done that already...

So if we don't win toDay (meaning Boro and Bes are not the two wolves left), then who do you think could be the last one? I'm not using a plural here as I find it pretty unbelievable that neither of them is a wolf.

Quite frankly if one of them isn't I suspect one of them is you or your lovely daughter. Then again, the only people I do not suspect are myself (of course), Shasta, and at this point Boro. I think sacrificing him was a mistake, but there's no undoing it now so we simply must hope Shasta has his list right.

Who do you think?

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 02:50 PM

Then again, the only people I do not suspect are myself (of course), Shasta, and at this point Boro. I think sacrificing him was a mistakeWhy would have an innocent Boro do that thing? Give me one reason.

Of others...

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 02:52 PM

Why would have an innocent Boro do that thing? Give me one reason.

Of others...

I don't know, but why would a wolf!Boro do it? I could see Boro doing it to ensure that we didn't sacrifice/lynch our ranger; other than that I don't know.

Erm, you ever going to answer the question? ;)

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 02:56 PM

Sorry, first this... I can give you reason for a wolf-Boro to do that, but not an innocent one.

SO others...

I have suspected Lommy and given points on her but her voting record is pretty cool. Although it should be remembered that the wolves have acted quite erratically / oddly so far so that shouldn't white-wash her completely.

Morsul should really be looked at closely toMorrow.

With Nerwen my only problem is that sad reason called the wonder that she's still alive. No real suspicion on her (I for one don't have any) and she lives while perfectly decent (=easier) lynch-candidates have been killed by the wolves during the Nights.

I have a feeling you Sally might be an innocent.

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 02:58 PM

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:00 PM

I have a feeling I may be an innocent too. ^_^

I also have a feeling (heh, a feeling....right) that I'll be alive toMorrow, so we can go merrily wolf-hunting then with whoever's left alive.

I'm also concerned about Nerwen's continued existence. Normally she'd be dead by now or at least under some suspicion. My theory with her is that if I don't suspect her she's normally guilty, but I just don't know.

And I'm still not sure on you, but we'll find out in a moment what you are.

I'll be around tomorrow, so let's see what we can get done, eh, village?

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:01 PM

Wolf-Boro would have wished to deny us the chance of getting too many known innocents around.

Also Shasta's sacrifice kind of gives us a chance to win like immediately, but also denies us the possibility of both the hunter and the ranger to come forwards toMorrow thus giving us two known innocents from what, 4-5 people? (that I think depends)

That's why I thought just sacrificing Boro would have been better. But anyway. Let's see this through now.

Somehow I think Shasta might have left a trail to his partner.

And I also suppose I should say I better be around toMorrow, because for me to have nearly been lynched this many times only to die at Night so close to end game would be a crime.

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:03 PM

Seems to be getting dark. I wonder what's to come of this whole thing.

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:08 PM

I expected to be dead by now...

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:10 PM

I expected to be dead by now...

I did too. Erm, I mean....;)

Too bad the polar bears appear to have eaten Legate. :( :Merisu:

Now I think I'll hush. Only in my best interest, after all.

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 03:13 PM

Too bad the polar bears appear to have eaten Legate.Or the shady characters called "the penguins of the Arctic"... ;)

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:13 PM

I am not dead yet, I can dance and I can sing
I am not dead yet, I can do the highland fling
I'm right in the head, no need to go to bed
No need to call a doctor cause I'm not yet dead!

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:14 PM

I hope the reason Legate is taking so long is that he's writing up an epically long game-ending narration. :D

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 03:15 PM

I hope the reason Legate is taking so long is that he's writing up an epically long game-ending narration. :D*thumbs up*

Or then there is a too complicated destruction-system he has to work out the real outcome... :eek:

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:17 PM

Or the shady characters called "the penguins of the Arctic"...

This. Just, this. Yes.

I am not dead yet, I can dance and I can sing
I am not dead yet, I can do the highland fling
I'm right in the head, no need to go to bed
No need to call a doctor cause I'm not yet dead!

^_^

I hope the reason Legate is taking so long is that he's writing up an epically long game-ending narration. :D

Also thumbs up to this. :D

*thumbs up*

Or then there is a too complicated destruction-system he has to work out the real outcome... :eek:

Erm....are you my mummy? *whimpers* It'll create a hole in the fabric of time and space the exact size of....*does calculations*....well actually the exact size of Belgium.

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:18 PM

By the way, we're being very naughty, boys. One of us is dead and the other two should be sleeping. Meh, whatever. :p

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:19 PM

Erm....are you my mummy? *whimpers* It'll create a hole in the fabric of time and space the exact size of....*does calculations*....well actually the exact size of Belgium.

NOT THE CHOCOLATE NOOOOOO! :(

Nogrod

12-12-2009, 03:19 PM

Let's act like we slept and then see what your mummy comes up with... :rolleyes:

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:22 PM

NOT THE CHOCOLATE NOOOOOO! :(

*snickers*

*mars*

*almond joys*

*reeses*

Let's act like we slept and then see what your mummy comes up with... :rolleyes:

Yes, let's. And maybe my mummy will have left us something to eat (I never actually got lunch, blah).

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:23 PM

*snickers*

*mars*

*almond joys*

*reeses*

Yes, let's. And maybe my mummy will have left us something to eat (I never actually got lunch, blah).

*milky ways*

Shastanis Althreduin

12-12-2009, 03:24 PM

Also I'm in second place but there's no way I'm catching up to Sally and her 181 posts. :(

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-12-2009, 03:24 PM

Now now kids, sh. I got sidetracked but I will post rightaway... wait five minutes.

satansaloser2005

12-12-2009, 03:27 PM

But Mummy....all right.

*shushes and waits like a good girl*

Does this mean the chocolate's safe? And can I have some? :)

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-12-2009, 03:29 PM

It has been a terrifying experience, but it went smoother than we have anticipated. It was our glaciologist who decided to give up his life willingly in order to get us out of the terrible place. As his blood started to trail down the holes in the altar, some unknown mechanism below us caused the stone blocks to slide away and the door had opened.

The body of our glaciologist remained motionless on top of the altar. We shuddered at the sight and at the same time wondered what kind of monstrous things must have been going on in this complex thousands of years before the end of the last glacial period.

But as we came outside, it was not the end of the drama of that day. Our sled-dog handler, who has been remarkably vocal inside the sinister chamber, suddenly leaped forward and attacked our store manager, holding the knife which we have just used before for the sacrifice of our glaciologist. He plunged the blade deep into the other man's shoulder.

Our store manager gave out a wild cry - and then he started to change. "I knew it was you!" was our sled-dog handler's shout, and he attempted to draw the blade from the monster's shoulder, yet it hit him with its clawed fist and made him fall backwards. It leapt up on him before he could rise, and its sharp fangs closed around his throat. Yet at the same time, we noticed a glimpse of iron in the lying man's hand, and then a shot from the hidden gun pierced our ears. As the echo disappeared, the bodies of the two of them lay on the ground motionless.

LIVING MEMBERS OF THE EXPEDITION:

Morsul - federal grants lawyer
Nogrod - old palaeoecologist with is own theory of climate change
sally - the original initiator of the expedition
Thinlómien - whale expert
Nerwen - mechanic

GONE:
Roa - survival guide - died on blood loss from Werewolf attack on Day 2 (left game, innocent)
Mnemosyne - field medic - shot by the survival guide on Day 2 (Werewolf)
Inziladun - meteorologist - killed by Werewolves on Night 3 (innocent)
tromkehra - cook/bartender - left aboard the ship on Day 3 (left game, innocent)
Nienna - navigator - shot on her way back to the ship on Day 3 (innocent)
Greenie - senior assitant to important scientists in the company, killed by Werewolf on Night 4 (innocent)
Pitchwife - marine biologist - unambiguously executed by the expedition on Day 4 (Werewolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - sea pilot - murdered in the icy darkness on Night 5 (innocent)
wilwa - crewmember - executed in the underground cavern on Day 5 (innocent)
Macalaure - palaeomathematician - killed while performing his palaeomathematic operations on Night 6 (innocent)
Loslote - rich funder's spoiled daughter - died with visionary words on her lips on Day 6 (Birthday Dreamer - innocent)
Brinn - polar bear biologist - stained the walls with her blood on Night 7 (innocent)
Boromir88 - senior assistant to a professor of glaciology - sacrificed on Day 7 (innocent)
Shasta - sled-dog handler - killed on Day 7 (Hunter)
Bes - room/store manager - killed by the Hunter on Day 7 (Werewolf)

And so Night 8 comes, and those of the remaining Night roles might post me their picks. Rest of you, sleep nicely until toMorrow morning.

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-13-2009, 03:00 PM

The last events have brought us to the brink of total exhaustion. The light of the electric torches was dwindling and we did not feel comfortable with switching to the other set we still had with us, as these have been our last ones. Still there was this urge to go and see what happened to the escaped creature, now that we have felt at last safe. But on the other hand there was the repulsive feeling and the wish to leave forever that terrible place as soon as possible.

At last we have decided to rest - for a few minutes, in the dark to save the batteries. Then we will decide what exactly to do next. So we all sat down and leaning against the wall relaxed in the dark. I don't know how it happened, but apparently we have dozed off. It would not be surprising after all that we have been through recently. The only thing I can record with full certainity is that after I woke up, I could not find the electric torch. Among growing panic in the dark, I have realised that there are strange sounds coming from one of the passageways nearby, and flashes of light coruscating on the black graffiti-covered walls. I jumped up and in the darkness, blind, groped my way towards the source. Then, I have identified the sounds at last: it was a mixture of gasping, snarls, growls and eerie howling. Then the corridor took a sharp turn and there I saw it at last: a woman armed only with an electric torch, standing against a terrible shadow of wolf-shaped monster on the edge of a large room, a vast subterranean cavern reaching far into darkness. In the flashing light, I noticed a glitter of iron on the ground: it was a dropped gun, probably wrestled away from the woman during the fight. And as I hurled myself forwards, I could see the abomination pouncing against the woman who tried to defend herself feebly. Her dying screem resounded through the cave and then she dropped the torch and the shadow of the werewolf disappeared in the darkness.

Then there came the sound of hurrying feet. The remnants of our expedition have gathered together. We lit the remaining torch. In its light, we found ourselves standing on the edge of a large pit - and at our feet the dead body of the originator of our expedition, who died in her last fight, unprepared to defend herself. She was the one who had come up with the idea of this expedition - yet she was never acknowledged for it properly - and now her life had also ended in this dark and cold place.

Nevertheless, we have acknowledged, as we looked into each other's pale faces, that one of us is the monster who killed her.

LIVING MEMBERS OF THE EXPEDITION:

Morsul - federal grants lawyer
Nogrod - old palaeoecologist with is own theory of climate change
Thinlómien - whale expert
Nerwen - mechanic

GONE:
Roa - survival guide - died on blood loss from Werewolf attack on Day 2 (left game, innocent)
Mnemosyne - field medic - shot by the survival guide on Day 2 (Werewolf)
Inziladun - meteorologist - killed by Werewolves on Night 3 (innocent)
tromkehra - cook/bartender - left aboard the ship on Day 3 (left game, innocent)
Nienna - navigator - shot on her way back to the ship on Day 3 (innocent)
Greenie - senior assitant to important scientists in the company, killed by Werewolf on Night 4 (innocent)
Pitchwife - marine biologist - unambiguously executed by the expedition on Day 4 (Werewolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - sea pilot - murdered in the icy darkness on Night 5 (innocent)
wilwa - crewmember - executed in the underground cavern on Day 5 (innocent)
Macalaure - palaeomathematician - killed while performing his palaeomathematic operations on Night 6 (innocent)
Loslote - rich funder's spoiled daughter - died with visionary words on her lips on Day 6 (Birthday Dreamer - innocent)
Brinn - polar bear biologist - stained the walls with her blood on Night 7 (innocent)
Boromir88 - senior assistant to a professor of glaciology - sacrificed on Day 7 (innocent)
Shasta - sled-dog handler - killed on Day 7 (Hunter)
Bes - room/store manager - killed by the Hunter on Day 7 (Werewolf)
sally - the original initiator of the expedition - finally caught off her guard on Night 8 (Ranger)

Day 8 has started. Good luck to all.

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 03:14 PM

KNEW IT.
KNEW IT.
KNEW IT.

Now lynch me. :rolleyes:

But, to quote my infamous words: I'm not surprised. When I was reading through yesterDay (that was crazy btw), my impressions (having been informed of the results of the Day and the roles of dead already, though) were:

Nerwen or Morsul is the last wolf.
Nogrod is an ordo.
Sally is the ranger and she's going to die toNight.

But I'm glad I was right. (Maybe happiness is not the most normal way to react to the death of the ranger, but to be honest, that was my first reaction. Well anyway, it doesn't make so much difference in any case 'cos there will be no more Nights.) It's also nice to know that I was in the end right about Boro and Shasta.

Makes me more confident.

Now, off to have a look at what I said of Nerwen and Morsul earlier. And I know I can't ignore Nogrod either on a crucial Day like this but especially after yesterDay, it is very difficult for me to see him as a wolf.

I think Nerwen is my top suspect, mainly for the way in which she jumped to support Nogrod's rather absurd* "Boro is so certainly a wolf" -theory. I smells fish. But I must say that Morsul is also making quite a show of being confused, which I don't like either, not at all.

*I may be too harsh since I only read through yesterDay knowing everybody's roles, but to me, it was just crazy how confident Nog was on Boro's guilt, especially as Boro's behaviour looked more innocent than guilty to me. But I give to Nogrod that Boro's behaviour was quite weird and like nothing I've seen from him before.

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 03:26 PM

I realised it doesn't make sense for me to quote my age-old post again and again. I'm going to read through all the wolves' and all the remaining people's posts and make some sort of conclusive summary based on that. However, tha's something I'm going to do tomorrow, not now at 11.30pm.

I could stay here for a moment and talk - if someone was around?

Nerwen

12-13-2009, 03:39 PM

Well, I'm here– for once I can be here early.

So... first thing is, Lommy, I don't at all like this little victory dance you appear to be doing over Sally's corpse.:eek::eek::eek:

And then, you follow it up with what I can only call a "rather absurd" case against me:

I think Nerwen is my top suspect, mainly for the way in which she jumped to support Nogrod's rather absurd* "Boro is so certainly a wolf" -theory.

I did not "jump to support it", I agreed that Boro's self-vote looked suspicious, because he's an expert player and should have known what a stupid thing it was for an innocent to do at that stage. You know what? It was stupid. I can't understand why he did that.

Besides, that was hardly the only thing against him, was it? All in all, he was looking a lot like a wolf at that point. His behaviour certainly didn't look "more innocent than guilty" to me.

Nerwen

12-13-2009, 03:42 PM

Of course, if it's Lommywolf, why does she go after me instead of Morsul or Nog, who you'd think would be easier lynches?

I need to go back and do some more reading.

Morsul the Dark

12-13-2009, 03:50 PM

Lommy you were a top contender for a reason you're a wolf obviously I'm sorry I don't even need to think about this one. Kept us alive because we're "the easiest" to lynch

++Lommy

confused I'm never confused... not thought out perhaps when did I say I was confused?

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 03:53 PM

Why so touchy, Nerwen? (Great, seems like every Day starts with a row between me and someone else. :rolleyes: )

So... first thing is, Lommy, I don't at all like this little victory dance you appear to be doing over Sally's corpse.Yes, you did yours in secret before posting, I think that's far more sinister. ;)

I don't have a case against you. Before I have managed to go through all the evidence I don't have any cases.

I agree Boro's self-vote was stupid and he was clearly overreacting to the situation. But I can understand why he did what he did. It might seem weird that I say this given how vehemently I have fought for my life, but I've had the feeling I want to give up a few times in the course of this game too, because everybody just suspects me for silly reasons and the wolves are just too darn good. (My self-confessed ww flaw is feeling like giving up when it gets too difficult.) That feeling combined to having a bad day in general might just be enough to make an innocent do something like that, even if it's not smart.

And I also agree there was some fishy stuff about him, but to me he looked more innocent than guilty nevertheless. It was mostly his manner that kept me more or less convinced of his innocence throughout the game even though I had my moments of doubt. I don't want to claim any moral or intellectual high ground by saying "ha ha, I guessed he was innocent and you didn't" (because I've made a lot of mistakes in this game myself :rolleyes: ) but that shouldn't mean I can't criticise your suspicions of him.

I didn't like your smooth agreement with Nogrod, it looked to much like "right, here's our lynch, let's go for it". However, you can relax - I'm far from convinced you're the last wolf and I'm not saying anything definite before I go through all the posts. Interesting how touchy you are about this, though...

edit: mass-xed and *insert German swear word here*

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 03:54 PM

If you're innocent, Morsul, you just made us lose the game. Thanks. :rolleyes:

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 03:57 PM

I should've been lynched Days ago and this wouldn't have happened.

You always learn something new when playing werewolf...

Now I really really just hope Morsul is the wolf. I guess I could just as well vote him now, because if he's not the wolf, the wolf will jump on his vote now and we're done, or then he's the wolf and we should lynch him.

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:01 PM

I'm refraining from voting Morsul right now in hopes of Nerwen being the wolf and missing the DL. ;)

(in reality I'm just thinking is there any case why I shouldn't vote him right now)

I guess I don't need to point out why Morsul's vote or the reasons behind it are just stupid?

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:05 PM

*bangs head against wall in frustration*

I think I will never ever be in the winning side of a werewolf game again.

Why do wolves always win?

Gah I think I should go to sleep, I don't want to be here when someone jumps on Morsul's vote. And I'm way too annoyed? depressed? frustrated? to think rationally anyway.

If no one has jumped on Morsul's vote when I come back, maybe I have hope. I'm just wondering whether I should leave with voting him or not.

Nerwen

12-13-2009, 04:07 PM

If you're innocent, Morsul, you just made us lose the game. Thanks. :rolleyes:

Yes. Thanks, Morsul.:D

++Lommy

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:09 PM

Oh yes exactly, of us four I'm the one who has kept you three alive since you're so easy to lynch. Especially Nerwen. She's been narrowly avoiding lynches all game! While me, I'm surely here not to be lynched toDay but to mwahahaa eat you all. :rolleyes:

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:10 PM

I shouldn't have tried to be nice to you in the second post, Nerwen.

Nerwen

12-13-2009, 04:13 PM

I shouldn't have tried to be nice to you in the second post, Nerwen.

Well, come now, did you expect me to vote Morsul?

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:15 PM

Well at least I can do something else tomorrow than sit all day playing werewolf... :rolleyes:

Congrats, Nerwen, that was nicely played. Although, not sure if you'd have won without the aid of Morsul. :p I like to think that I and Nog would have ended up figuring you out, I was quite close if I may say. ;)

Now I'm really wondering if one should in some cases let herself be lynched as an innocent just to avoid fatal last Day silliness...

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:17 PM

Well, come now, did you expect me to vote Morsul?Surely not, I just meant that I should have just attacked you relentlessly from the first minute on and I'd feel a bit better now because all kindness is wasted on you. :p :D

Nerwen

12-13-2009, 04:20 PM

There, there.

Did you know the ghosts of Sally and Shasta have been watching over us, and are gnashing their teeth on the admin thread?

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:22 PM

There, there.

Did you know the ghosts of Sally and Shasta have been watching over us, and are gnashing their teeth on the admin thread?I am quite aware of that. ;)

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-13-2009, 04:23 PM

Okay, folks, let's call it over. I will post a narration here, and meanwhile, you may go on discussing on the admin thread (since the two stalkers have already started posting it :) ).

P.S. Sorry, Nogrod... nothing toDay, unfortunately :eek:

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:24 PM

Nerwen why didn't you miss the DL as usual? :( :p ;)

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:28 PM

Btw I have a slight feeling of déjà vu, last game I played innocent Sally voted mefatally rather out of the blue on the last Day and the village lost also... Like I told someone on msn, I shouldn't really be left alive for the last Day, I'm too much of a hazard for innocents... ;)

Thinlómien

12-13-2009, 04:30 PM

PS. Sorry I didn't see the mod's post! This is the last one from me here... Good night. ;)

Legate of Amon Lanc

12-13-2009, 05:37 PM

It is only with deep reluctance that I bring my memory to recall our last moments in that forsaken place. I feel sadness and horror remembering the fates of my companions in that prison of ice and the end of that ill-fated expedition which has ultimately lead us into the deadly place deep beneath the polar crust of the Arctic.

It was above the large subterranean pit where we have made our final decision. We have decided to stop the monster in our midst - whom we believed to be our whale expert.

We have held her and tied her up, and then we have lead her towards the pit. As she was standing on the edge, we prepared to shoot and then let her body mercifully fall into the abyss. Our lawyer companion took upon himself the duty to take the gun while our mechanic has lead our whale expert towards the pit. Then it happened.

Our mechanic suddenly let go of our convict, leaped forwards and knocked our lawyer companion to the ground. He stumbled, the gun dropping from his hand. Several shots echoed through the vast space. It was our palaeoecologist who realised as first what was happening and jumped to grab the falling body of our whale expert. It was too late. Leaning over the ledge, the old man cast the flash of his torch into the darkness, as if he hoped to see the last glimpse of the woman. What he saw instead - noted that I still find it peculiar that he could see anything at all there just with his flash lamp - I cannot tell, but whatever it was, it put his mind into the sad state in which it is now.

Anyway, it was clear that we could not tarry in the place any more. I do not know what made our feet move so fast, I do not even know how we managed to find our way to the surface. All I remember from that time is only grabbing the old palaeoecologist, literally tearing him apart from the ledge and then just a mad flight through the dark corridors and empty halls with their gruesome wall-carvings and mysterious symbols. I do not know what exactly had happened to the lawyer - though I am convinced that I saw him dropping his gun while wrestling with the abominable creature. I am still surprised that it did not pursue us to the surface, or that it had lost us in the maze. I am sure its eyes were following us as we dived into the dark tunnels. But after that, I do not recall anything until we have emerged into the grey twilight of polar dawn.

Even the sight of our crippled ship with its red, green and yellow lights under the hueless sky was pleasant after the unnatural subterranean darkness. And even happier we were to meet our cook, who remained on board all the time, and to see the helicopter coming for our rescue, being told to look for us after the contact had been lost. This was not the end for us yet, but it meant salvation - salvation from this dreadful prison of ice.

I am afraid our palaeoclimatologist will never recover from his current state. Myself, I have been shaken deeply by the events experienced on that isle of the werewolves - as I think everybody would. But the old man has gone totally out of his mind. Of course there is no telling what he might have seen in that abyss of darkness. For me, only the things I know have been enough to make me wish to reveal this account to the public - as putting all the pieces of puzzle together, I am afraid that the complex we have uncovered is but a taste of what could be unearthed if the ice cover of Arctic had melted. Only a thin ice cork was holding these monsters under the earth for aeons, held them in the prison of ice - and the horror they have caused was more than enough.

But our palaeoclimatologist seems to have his own theories, no doubt reinforced by his own interest in obscure mythology and strange books and archaeological studies, ranging from Ivo Wiesner to Sebastian De Rosa. While in the helicopter, he had recounted a long time about the theories he had and what he put together. About the possible origins and the true name of the hundreds of miles long range of the Gakkel Ridge deep beneath the polar sea. About that this island we have visited was but one of three which, he was sure, can be found in this area - as pinnacles of submarine mountains rising from the ocean floor. About the origin of these wolf-beasts and how their spirits have possessed our crew... In the end, I had to stop him, as his maddened babbling seemed unceasing.

I do not know what was that he saw. And even now I can hear, through the thin walls of my cell, the inarticulate wailing of his insanity:

"Monsters in darkness... buried deep beneath the deepest crypts of the iron hells... under the ice... so long... even the land and Sea can change and they shall rise... the glacial corks melting, opening their way to the surface... the great abyss... wings of shadow... waiting for the return of the Accursed One from the void... the iron crown reforged at the end of all ages..."

Roa - survival guide - died on blood loss from Werewolf attack on Day 2 (left game, innocent)
Mnemosyne - field medic - shot by the survival guide on Day 2 (Werewolf)
Inziladun - meteorologist - killed by Werewolves on Night 3 (innocent)
tromkehra - cook/bartender - left aboard the ship on Day 3 (left game, innocent)
Nienna - navigator - shot on her way back to the ship on Day 3 (innocent)
Greenie - senior assitant to important scientists in the company, killed by Werewolf on Night 4 (innocent)
Pitchwife - marine biologist - unambiguously executed by the expedition on Day 4 (Werewolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - sea pilot - murdered in the icy darkness on Night 5 (innocent)
wilwa - crewmember - executed in the underground cavern on Day 5 (innocent)
Macalaure - palaeomathematician - killed while performing his palaeomathematic operations on Night 6 (innocent)
Loslote - rich funder's spoiled daughter - died with visionary words on her lips on Day 6 (Birthday Dreamer - innocent)
Brinn - polar bear biologist - stained the walls with her blood on Night 7 (innocent)
Boromir88 - senior assistant to a professor of glaciology - sacrificed on Day 7 (innocent)
Shasta - sled-dog handler - killed on Day 7 (Hunter)
Bes - room/store manager - killed by the Hunter on Day 7 (Werewolf)
sally - the original initiator of the expedition - finally caught off her guard on Night 8 (Ranger)
Thinlómien - whale expert - cast into the pit on Day 8 (innocent)
Morsul - federal grants lawyer (innocent)
Nogrod - old palaeoecologist with is own theory of climate change (innocent)
Nerwen - mechanic (Werewolf, survived until the end)

WEREWOLVES WIN!!!

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