WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Nerwen]

To be honest I must say that I do think I had a case against you... You looked really suspicious to me. I've changed my mind since, but there were points against you.

Okay... but what I mean is that once I answered them, Brinniel basically said, "yeah, well, I don't care, I still want to lynch you just in case," and yet now her defence of her highly suspicious voting apparently rests on her being so convinced I was a wolf that nothing else mattered except to get me.

The other thing I am still quite bitter about is this: Brinn's main case against me is that I was "wishy-washy" on Glirdan– because I didn't go all out against him from the word go– when in fact I think I played in notable part in getting him lynched. (And Nog also, not to mention having some credit for Sally.) Meanwhile, I documented how she was not only "wishy-washy", but actually tried to discourage us from lynching him. And everyone ignored this, nodded their heads and said, "Oh, yes, Nerwen is wishy-washy, and Brinn is oh so helpful and wise. And Nerwen's wolf-voting-record is just too good to be true, while Brinn's just goes to prove how helpful and wise she is."

EDIT:X'd with 2 Lommys.

[Nerwen]

What I thought when reading those posts was that Lottie had a reason to believe Brinn was the unicorn... Or wanted to make somebody else believe so.

I just realized, she probably picked Brinn as the Unicorn by elimination. Think about it– it couldn't be Shasta because he thought it was Morsul, it couldn't be you because you were urging the unicorn to reveal, it couldn't be me because I'm too reluctant to die, and clearly it couldn't possibly be Lommy. ;)



- Brinn says: "Legate is someone I'm growing increasingly worried about, but I need to look at him better before throwing any real suspicion at him." That's quite a fishy statement in the situation where suspicion against Legate is growing. However, if Brinn is the final wolf, why did she be so nice to Legate after throwing all her three other fellows under the bus one by one, especially as she had pretty good odds to survive given the small amount of suspicion against her thus far?

It's just numbers, Lommy. If both wolves had survived yesterDay, it would now be 2 wolves to 4 innocents. That's worth taking a bit of risk for.

[Nerwen]

So... seems I'm talking to myself here...

If it isn't Brinn, who can it be? There's only Shasta and Agan left.

If it's Shasta, we must suppose that Wolftanis Althreduin carefully faked a wllingness to vote Legate while "reluctantly" settling for Agan, then left with a vague promise of maybe switching later. A perfect way for a wolf to avoid possible responsibility for the lynch of an innocent, while making himself look good if his comrade got lynched, and all this without endangering said comrade. Brilliant!

...And then he returned, flipped out and stabbed Legwolf in the back for no particular reason. Um... yeah... whatever... Now if it it had been Boro or the phantom in Legate's place, I could just see that happening.:p

If it's Agan, then Legwolf decided it was so likely one of them was going to be lynched, or alternatively so unlikely that Agan would that he thought he might as well go wolf-on-wolf, even though at that point it looked like I was going to get plenty of votes. This is just possible, but it requires very poor judgement from Legate. However, if by any chance the wolf isn't Brinn, then Agan's the only one left (yes, from my point of view).

[Nerwen]

Still no-one here.

Well, I just want to say then– I really can't see any reason not to vote Brinniel. It would put my mind at rest.:p

The only thing I'm waiting for is to see what Lottie has to say in Brinn's defence, and why she's being so mysterious about it. My guess, though, is that the Unicorn Theory will turn out to be right.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Two hours later...

Here, have skimmed, will post momentarily. I will say I'm willing to believe Lommy - everyone has posted and no one's countered her claim of being the Unicorn (even though she forgot her role :rolleyes:), which narrows the wolf down to one of three (from my point of view, obviously) - Agan, Nerwen, and Brinniel.

[Aganzir]

Now if it it had been Boro or the phantom in Legate's place, I could just see that happening.
Hahahaha! :D

Okay... but what I mean is that once I answered them, Brinniel basically said, "yeah, well, I don't care, I still want to lynch you just in case,"
Just noting that I did it too. It were only the recent turns of events and the fact that I started to suspect Brinn that made me consider you more innocent, and even now you're my second candidate.

I have a feeling I should do something useful but I'm lazy, so first I'm going to prime a canvas.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

...What? Did you not observe Brinniel's attempt to save Legate yesterDay?

I went back and looked at the last-minute voting yesterday, and Brinn didn't say she X'ed with anyone (so I'm assuming she didn't), so the issue I'm having is why wouldn't a Brinnwolf jump on the Legate-wagon after his fate had already been sealed? I'm assuming that she saw Nerwen's vote, winty's vote, and my vote, which put Legate at four votes.

Anyway, I'm relieved Legate was cursed because he did look awfully innocent in the first half of the game (which means I wasn't completely fooled) . YesterDay I could see some valid points against him, but even if he was climbing up my radar, there's no way I'm going to jump on a bandwagon to lynch a player I haven't gotten the chance to look at for myself. And especially not when there's a potential candidate I suspect more.

Could this be why? Brinn defends her vote here before anyone (besides Nerwen even mentions it in a negative context, and immediately tries to set up today's lynch ("a potential candidate I suspect more"). And here -

This case she's attempting to set up against me which seems to have a lot to do with the idea that I "saved" Legate by voting her only puts her in a worse light.

I think it's possible Brinn wouldn't have voted Legate because she expected precisely what Nerwen would say... but I'm not sure how likely it is.

Legate's guilt makes Nerwen look much more innocent. I don't think even she would've pushed a fellow's lynching like she did, at least this late in the game...

Nerwen, you, and Legate were on the chopping block yesterday, so Nerwen didn't have a lot of choices if she wanted to save herself, but on the whole I tend to agree with this comment (also based on what I've read today so far).

As for why winty was killed rather than Lottie: well, I don't know, but I suspect it's because he'd both made himself look very innocent

My personal take on the winty-kill was that no one (but me :p) suspected him.

Under the circumstances, it would have been idiotic for a Nerwolf to have risked killing Legate– and like I said, helping to lynch wolves has been attracting suspicion this game!

Bah... I can't tell if this post is frustrated innocent Nerwen or "that move was so stupid I'd never have done it as a wolf please believe me" Nerwolf.

Yeah, and probably the best way to brush off that suspicion is to go wolf-on-wolf since that's probably less expected at this late stage of the game. By voting Legate at a critical point, you can make yourself look good then pin the suspicion on someone who didn't vote him, which is exactly what you're doing.

Alright, this post bothers me. It looks like Brinn has decided that Nerwen is 100% a wolf... and it's nigh-impossible to be 100% in this game. Plus it looks "grasping at straws"-ish... I'm not sure what the actual term is, but it's like "twisting the facts to fit the theory" kind of thing.

#988 sounds like frustrated innocent Nerwen again... but Sally already swayed me once this game with the same attitude.

Comments: Her answer to Skip is no answer at all, really. The fact remains that there was at least a chance to lynch me (the "clearly suspicious") and save Morsul, of whose innocence she was "pretty certain". She chose to hold her vote (she was there, all right, and commenting).

This is actually a pretty good point.

Comments: A bit twisty, I think– implies that my intention there is to say that my frustration proves my innocence, rather than just defend my reaction.

I actually tend to agree with this as well - I remember thinking "I don't really like the tone of this post" the first time I read it.

I agree with whoever said that toDay the unicorn should come out - so, here I am, I give up.

Hi! Can I touch your horn?

Yup I agree. And of course his vote for Legate made him look quite innocent.

Hah, Agan thinks what I do.

- Legate's post, opinions and speculation about everybody but Brinn - why not her? If she was his fellow, wouldn't he have felt he has to include her or otherwise it's suspicious? Although, later he says Brinn seems the most innocent of all - where did that then come from? But again we have to still ask: wouldn't a wolf be more careful about what he says about a fellow?
- Legate was reluctant to consider Agan a possible suspect because then he'd get paranoid and wouldn't get rid of it before she dies - echoes from innocent-Legate's thoughts or a crafty way of not suspecting a fellow?

I think the thing about Brinn is more likely at this point, but that's an interesting take on Agan, too.


Alright, a list from most to least suspicious (discounting myself, Lottie, and Lommy)

Brinniel
Nerwen
Aganzir - Shockingly enough, she's a little bit under my radar ("Impossible!") I need to change that.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Now if it it had been Boro or the phantom in Legate's place, I could just see that happening.

Jeez, haven't I left that behind me yet? :p

[Thinlómien]

Okay, I have reread, and I have to say I'm still confused grr... Basically, it could be any of Brinn, Nerwen or Agan, but I think I'm letting Agan be, for toDay at least. If she was a wolf, I don't think she'd have killed Winty, or more like, she wouldn't have needed to. What I mean by that is that for Nerwen Winty would've been a safe choice who would lead no suspicion tracks to her, and for Brinn, it wouldn't be a loss of a supporter or anyone who can go after Nerwen recklessly.

Gggg. I think the recent evidence points a bit more to Brinn's direction, but then again, somehow it's easier to imagine a wolf-Nerwen getting four fellows lynched than a Brinn-wolf getting three fellows lynched and trying to save the last one.

But two questions: 1. Would Brinn look any better if her last-minute vote had been for Legate? No, and that's why I think we shouldn't use her vote as an argument against her, or at least do that with caution. 2. Would a Nerwolf have thrown fellow Legate under the bus instead of getting herself lynched and him as someone less suspected continue the game for the evil team? Yes, if that was what she needed to do to keep consistent (if Nerwolf had self-sacrificed for Legate and thus looked inconsistent, it would've been pretty condemning against him and the end for the evil team). But would a Nerwolf have expressed suspicion of fellow Legate so early on during the Day? Not sure...

[Brinniel]

You are not Sally. Or Izzy. Or any of the players who tend to go by gut-feeling and are sometimes led astray by it. I've had those two– ordos both– pursue innocent-me for Days because they "just knew" I was a wolf.
Stop right there. You cannot know what kind of player I am, only I can know that. And yes, I have in fact pursued someone strongly before due to gut-feeling. Sometimes I am spot on and other times I'm very much mislead.

Explains again how she "knew" Morsul's innocence– says she merely deduced it.
I didn't "know" anyone's innocence (Morsul or Mira) as you keep repeating. Did you ever go back and think that I was perhaps the only one being logical at the time? C'mon, I know an easy lynch when I see it.

One thing: You believe that me going so forcefully after you and the idea that I seem so sure of your guilt makes me look wolfish. Yet, whenever I admit I could be wrong, that's also suspicious. So what am I supposed to say that isn't wolfish to you, huh?

Btw, it's rather hypocritical for you to accuse me of being wolfish for going after you so strongly and seeming convinced of your guilt considering you're doing the exact same thing to me.

Look, I am not sure of your guilt, and there's no way I could be sure except in the event of your death. And I'm sorry if you are actually innocent, because that means this is just an innocent-on-innocent thing happening between us and we're basically letting the wolf sit back and win without even having to do much work.

I agree with whoever said that toDay the unicorn should come out - so, here I am, I give up. I would have wanted to die in the Night, but the wolf seemingly had no interest in killing me even when everybody thought me innocent. *sigh* And anyway, whoever it was who brought up the possibility of a false unicorn claim toMorrow had a point.
Glad to have you as our unicorn, though I must admit I was hoping it would be one of the other three unknowns since you were already pretty much innocent in my book.

Could this be why? Brinn defends her vote here before anyone (besides Nerwen even mentions it in a negative context, and immediately tries to set up today's lynch ("a potential candidate I suspect more"). And here -

I did defend my vote because Nerwen tried to spin it as though I was "saving" Legate, which she knows is a lie. And of course I would set her up for toDay's lynch...she's only been my top suspect for half the game...


Okay people, I can understand why you could be suspicious of me, but if you choose to lynch me over Nerwen who I've been trying to lynch for four Days and she turns out to be the wolf, I will be so disgusted and you will NEVER hear the end of it. For the sake of my sanity, please can we just lynch her toDay and if I'm wrong about her then feel free to lynch me all you want toMorrow...even though it would result in a village loss, I'd probably deserve it for being so stuck on Nerwen this long. I think I'd actually rather be blamed for a village loss than get off-ed thanks to a wolf who though I insisted all along was evil, manages to convince the entire village that I'm the wolf.

Gah, I so do not have the time to deal with this. There's so much schoolwork I must get done, yet I just know I'm just going to spent the rest of the evening on WW. If I were wise, I would've never joined this game, but I so wanted to play...and honestly I didn't think I was going to last this long. If I were assigned a wolf role, I'm quite certain I would've dropped out before the game even began. I have to run to class now and then a meeting, but I'll be back in around 3 1/2 hours.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, I've been through Agan's posts since Legate was turned, and... eh. Her posts look like typical Agan, and... while there's more evidence against both Nerwen and Brinn, I can't help thinking there's something weird about the sheer lack of anything against Agan. :p My opinion of her pretty much stands at this point.

[Aganzir]

Would Brinn look any better if her last-minute vote had been for Legate? No
It's not really her vote that made me suspicious of her but the fact that everybody else whose role I don't know suspected Legate. I mean, it made more sense for the wolf pack to try to stay alive yesterday, the both of them, and Brinn and Legate treated each other in a way convenient for two wolves.

But would a Nerwolf have expressed suspicion of fellow Legate so early on during the Day? Not sure...
I doubt it, but my argument lies entirely on the fact that I think neither of the wolves wanted to get lynched yesterday, even to make the other look better. Of course I might be wrong and they might have had a different approach, but my logic tells me Brinn looks worse than Nerwen.

I think I'd actually rather be blamed for a village loss than get off-ed thanks to a wolf who though I insisted all along was evil, manages to convince the entire village that I'm the wolf.
If it's of any comfort to you, Nerwen hasn't convinced me. I reached the conclusion on my own, based on your actions. And if we lynch you today and you are innocent, you can take my word that I'll try to lynch Nerwen tomorrow (unless Shasta suddenly jumps up and cries "I'm a wolf!").

Haha poor Shasta! :p

[Aganzir]

I read through Legate's posts from both the day before he was turned and the days after that but they didn't really help me... Ie they didn't scream "Lookie lookie she's my fellow!!!!"

++Brinniel

It's either she or Nerwen (or Shasta but in that case I'll be angry with him) and I think we have better chances with Brinn.

Leaving soonish. Night bunnies (hopefully just in RL :p).

[Brinniel]

You know what's frustrating is this reminds me perfectly of Nogrod's game from late 2007 where Agan set up this huge case against me, which resulted in the entire village blindly following. At the time, I was in fact screaming to the village, "You are falling into a trap. This is what the wolves want." But no one listened, and we lost.

With Nerwen driving this late bandwagon, that's what concerns me most about her. Though since it isn't actually the last Day like it was in the other game (when a double lynch occurred), it could be quite easy for a wolf to tag along in a bandwagon, and be able to survive due to there being more "obvious" suspects around. Which is why I'm also worried about Aganzir. Lynch me now, and I could see Nerwen very well getting lynched toMorrow, but if I'm wrong about her, then we've lost the game. I'm feeling quite certain it has to be one of these two. And if it's you, Shasta, then well, you probably deserve that win.

I guess what personally makes it so devastating about me getting lynched is that I know from previous games the village has lost every time they've decided to lynch me as an innocent. So right now, I'm not very optimistic about winning. Which is a shame, since we were so close.

[Brinniel]

Btw, I will be around for another half hour because my teacher basically excused us from class (again). Once again, I find myself wasting time here rather than doing more important schoolwork. All the things I have done for this village...and look how you repay me. :mad: Right now I really hope I'm right about Nerwen mainly because when this game is over I want you all to be able to hang your heads in shame and apologise to me profusely. :p I also realise if I'm wrong about her, I'll probably be eating my own words.

[Thinlómien]

Ugh. I'd really have preferred to die earlier - I had wonderful track record, I could honestly say I suspected all the wolves but now I'm totally lost. I so wish we could have three lynches... Brinn's latest posts look rather innocent, but I know she'd be able to write all that as a wolf. I'm increasingly worried about Agan, she seems so easy and confident. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she actually was our last wolf... And it's getting late here and I should vote... grh. Given that Legate is in the same apartment, I could ask him to give the name of his fellow for having spent most of his game as an innocent he would probably mentally be on our side after his death. :Merisu: Seriously though, I guess I just have to vote. For the first time in this game, I'm happy I won't be around when the actual decision about the lynch (ie majority of the votes) is being made...:rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

It makes sense Brinn is the last wolf because she wasn't at Legate's throat and for her it would've been beneficial to keep Lottie alive.

It makes sense Nerwen is the last wolf because she really seriously has been thinking too much from the wolf pow - all the explanations of Night kills and now this who could be the Unicorn stuff.

It makes sense Agan is the last wolf because then there hasn't been a huge scale wolf-on-wolf massacre and because she seems so carefree now.

AARGH.

[Loslote]

Lottie, you seem to be hinting here that you know something the rest of us don't about Brinniel, and that it proves, or at least suggests, her innocence.

This:

I agree with whoever said that toDay the unicorn should come out - so, here I am, I give up.

Proves me wrong. :p

What I thought when reading those posts was that Lottie had a reason to believe Brinn was the unicorn... Or wanted to make somebody else believe so.

I did indeed.

I just realized, she probably picked Brinn as the Unicorn by elimination. Think about it– it couldn't be Shasta because he thought it was Morsul, it couldn't be you because you were urging the unicorn to reveal, it couldn't be me because I'm too reluctant to die, and clearly it couldn't possibly be Lommy.

Actually, I thought she was the Uni ever since Morsul's death. She was very much against killing the Uni just 'cause, and seemed sure that he was no wolf/Uni. I thought that indicated that she was the Uni herself. Also, toDay she had thought a lot about the Uni and looked at both sides...anyway. I was wrong. :rolleyes:

And now that I'm not waiting for the reveal, she does looks suspicious.

[Thinlómien]

Lottie and Shasta, are you around? Who do you suspect?

I also realised Agan could be simply carefree because Lottie and I are known innocents, it's pretty obvious Shasta is innocent and there are two Days, just enough to lynch the unknowns from her pow... :rolleyes:

I'm trying to comfort myself by maths: there is a 66,66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66...% chance we win this game...


edit: xed with Lottie

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Lottie and Shasta, are you around? Who do you suspect?

I also realised Agan could be simply carefree because Lottie and I are known innocents, it's pretty obvious Shasta is innocent and there are two Days, just enough to lynch the unknowns from her pow... :rolleyes:

I'm trying to comfort myself by maths: there is a 66,66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 66...% chance we win this game...


edit: xed with Lottie

I'm here, but to be honest, my suspicions haven't changed since I posted last. :confused:

Also, Lommy, if that's really supposed to be a comma then you're awfully confident. :p

[Brinniel]

I'm increasingly worried about Agan, she seems so easy and confident. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she actually was our last wolf... And it's getting late here and I should vote... grh.
I've become increasingly worried about her too and while Nerwen remains my top suspect, it's been itching at me that I could very well be wrong. I hate being wrong, which is why I want Nerwen to be the wolf, but if we end up losing because Nerwen and I are stuck on some innocent-on-innocent bickering and allow the real wolf to slide easily to victory, then that's really going to burn come end-game. While I'd say Nerwen remains my first choice, I'd be satisfied with lynching Aganzir too...and I'd definitely rather see her lynched over myself.

I have to run to a meeting now, but I should be back in a little over an hour.

[Brinniel]

Also, Lommy, if that's really supposed to be a comma then you're awfully confident.
Commas are decimals in Europe.

And those odds will be much smaller if you lynch me. :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Commas are decimals in Europe.

I didn't know that! :eek:

I do like the idea of a sixty-six thousand-percent chance of winning, though. :smokin:

[Thinlómien]

Lynch who you will, I don't really have a preference, but my vote goes to

++Nerwen

I'm not convinced she's our last wolf, not at all, but if she turns out to be it, I feel better if I haven't given up my suspicion of her at the last minute. ;)

Also, she and Agan have to ready answers for everything. But Brinniel is too unsure, on the other hand... garrrr. Why have Agan and Nerwen dropped all mutual suspicion and allied against Brinn? Is that innocent or is one of them desperate to seek allies?

Bah, I'm going to leave this to your hands for now. If there is a toMorrow, I will think (even) harder then.

PS. You should have let us lynch Nerwen instead of Morsul (or Mira) and this would be a thousand times easier now! :mad:;)
PPS. Sorry Shasta, I forgot that in English you use a full stop instead of a comma there... I wish I was so certain, though!


edit: xed with Brinn & Shasta = cute dialogue!

[Brinniel]

PS. You should have let us lynch Nerwen instead of Morsul (or Mira) and this would be a thousand times easier now!
I know, right? :rolleyes:

You have no idea how badly I want Nerwen to be evil; I don't like it when I'm wrong and if I am, I'll probably end up brain damaged from so much headdesking. On the bright side, at least I'll know that Aganzir is our culprit come toMorrow.

It'd be rather funny if Shasta actually ends up being the wolf...because I don't think any of us girls would expect that.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright, I'm going to a friend's concert and I'm not sure if I'll be back before DL, so...

++Brinniel

[wilwarin538]

Aganzir -> Brinniel
Lommy -> Nerwen
Shasta -> Brinniel (2)

[Nerwen]

I've become increasingly worried about her too and while Nerwen remains my top suspect, it's been itching at me that I could very well be wrong. I hate being wrong, which is why I want Nerwen to be the wolf, but if we end up losing because Nerwen and I are stuck on some innocent-on-innocent bickering and allow the real wolf to slide easily to victory, then that's really going to burn come end-game. While I'd say Nerwen remains my first choice, I'd be satisfied with lynching Aganzir too...and I'd definitely rather see her lynched over myself.

Ah, looking for an alternative candidate, are we?:p


Actually, I thought she was the Uni ever since Morsul's death. She was very much against killing the Uni just 'cause, and seemed sure that he was no wolf/Uni. I thought that indicated that she was the Uni herself. Also, toDay she had thought a lot about the Uni and looked at both sides...anyway. I was wrong.

Well, I juust wanted to make absolutely sure before voting–


++Brinniel

EDIT:X'd since Lommy.

[Brinniel]

Ah, looking for an alternative candidate, are we?
Of course, because any other candidate is better than myself because I know I'm innocent. For me, it's 50/50 between you and Agan as a wolf. What, would expect me to vote myself? :rolleyes:

Maybe I will, because I don't want to be a part of this anymore. This is getting to be really stupid.

And it's funny you seem 100% certain I'm the wolf (and you suspect me for being 100% sure you're a wolf...even though that's not true)...so either you are a wolf happily on a lynchfest, or you're going to be very sorry come deadline.

Btw, do you not even think it's the slightest bit possible this may be innocent-on-innocent suspicion? Because you see, that's what I'm worried about...and if you aren't a wolf, we'll probably lose toMorrow.

[Nerwen]

Lynch who you will, I don't really have a preference, but my vote goes to

++Nerwen

I'm not convinced she's our last wolf, not at all, but if she turns out to be it, I feel better if I haven't given up my suspicion of her at the last minute. ;)

That is a terrible reason to vote someone at this point, Lommy.

Also, she and Agan have to ready answers for everything. But Brinniel is too unsure, on the other hand... garrrr. Why have Agan and Nerwen dropped all mutual suspicion and allied against Brinn? Is that innocent or is one of them desperate to seek allies?

Because the recent voting makes Agan look much less suspicious than Brinn. You choose to dismiss that as evidence, so what can I say?

Now, if Brinn were to turn out innocent, I'd have to conclude either Agan or Shasta was a wolf despite appearances, and in that case, as I said, I think it would be Agan. But let's cross that bridge when and if we come to it.

PS. You should have let us lynch Nerwen instead of Morsul (or Mira) and this would be a thousand times easier now! :mad:;)

No, you'd now be finding one or both of them "terribly suspicious", and mourning the fact that you went and killed me.

EDIT:X'd with Brinniel.
EDIT2:typo.

[Nerwen]

Of course, because any other candidate is better than myself because I know I'm innocent. For me, it's 50/50 between you and Agan as a wolf. What, would expect me to vote myself? :rolleyes:
Of course, but I can't recall you suspecting her before, that's all.

And it's funny you seem 100% certain I'm the wolf (and you suspect me for being 100% sure you're a wolf...even though that's not true)...so either you are a wolf happily on a lynchfest, or you're going to be very sorry come deadline.

No, I've explained this already. The point is that your "certainty" about me is what you're using to explain your suspect voting. I've already said what's wrong with the logic there. And no, I'm not 100% sure you're a wolf, but it does seem very likely.


Btw, do you not even think it's the slightest bit possible this may be innocent-on-innocent suspicion? Because you see, that's what I'm worried about...and if you aren't a wolf, we'll probably lose toMorrow.

And if you're innocent, it will, quite frankly, be your fault.

[Brinniel]

No, you'd now be finding one or both of them "terribly suspicious", and mourning the fact that you wernt and killed me.
Neither of them were ever suspicious, and I feel like you guys have to be blind to think that because I don't understand how they ever were. If you were lynched Days ago and turned out innocent, then I would be most certainly looking for an Agan lynch toDay.

And if you're innocent, it will, quite frankly, be your fault.
Okay, now this just really irks me. How the hell would you guys lynching me and the village losing because of it be MY fault?

[Brinniel]

You know what? Fine. You want the village loss to be MY fault? Then there you go:

++Brinn

Sorry, but saying that just puts me over the edge. I'm fed up enough that I'm not sure I want to be a part of this village anyway. I'm sure our wolf is gloating now. It's going to be awfully lame when we lynched so many wolves so early and still lose the game.

[Nerwen]

Okay, now this just really irks me. How the hell would you guys lynching me and the village losing because of it be MY fault?

For voting suspiciously, and for literally driving an innocent– me– to lynch you. I was perfectly fair in my analyses of you, whereas you targeted me for Days on feeble grounds. (Technically, it would be Agan's fault too, but in this scenario I guess she'd be the wolf.)

You do realise that with the suspicion against me that you and Agan have cultivated, I'd probably be forced to lynch you now in self-defence even if I didn't particularly suspect you? (I do, but I'm just saying.)

So, if you're innocent, Brinn, then you've been the dupe of a wolf and you've probably– after a brilliant start– lost us the game through sheer stubbornness.

It doesn't seem like you, though.

EDIT:X'd with Brinn.

[Nerwen]

In fact you've already made the same point about yourself:

#1010
For the sake of my sanity, please can we just lynch her toDay and if I'm wrong about her then feel free to lynch me all you want toMorrow...even though it would result in a village loss, I'd probably deserve it for being so stuck on Nerwen this long.

[Brinniel]

For voting suspiciously, and for literally driving an innocent– me– to lynch you. I was perfectly fair in my analyses of you, whereas you targeted me for Days on feeble grounds. (Technically, it would be Agan's fault too, but in this scenario I guess she'd be the wolf.)
Voting suspiciously? All my voting has been spot on up until you, and there still is no proof that I am wrong in voting you. Don't forget I refused to take part in two stupid lynches. And even if you were lynched then instead and innocent, those were two different lynches, thus in my opinion, two Days lost for finding a more reasonable candidate. I still believe that if Morsul and Mira hadn't been lynched, then we would've won by now. Again you think my reasons for suspecting you are poor, but I believe them perfectly valid. Unless you are a wolf, you were never driven to vote me. You seemed pretty ready to lynch me within the first minutes of toDay before there was any sign you would be a serious lynch candidate for the Day. So if you are innocent, don't you dare put the blame on me.

[Loslote]

It'd be rather funny if Shasta actually ends up being the wolf...because I don't think any of us girls would expect that.

Okay, this made me laugh. ;)

Basically this is to say I'm here and haven't much to say. :rolleyes:

EDIT: xed with Brinn

[Brinniel]

Okay, call it my fault then, but once you find out that I am innocent, it will be equally you're fault too.

[Loslote]

*raises hand* May I make a suggestion? Let's blame the wolves if we lose...just sayin'.

Also maybe Morsul, but that one doesn't really have a reason. :p

[Brinniel]

In fact you've already made the same point about yourself:

Btw, I never said I deserved the blame, just that I deserved to be lynched. But the village loss would still be at the fault of those who would choose to lynch me.

If I vote myself again, can you just kill me off now and put me out of my misery?

[Brinniel]

*raises hand* May I make a suggestion? Let's blame the wolves if we lose...just sayin'.
Of course you may say it because it's true. Which is why I find it so insulting to be told that a village loss would be completely my fault...it's like saying I'm intentionally trying to sabotage the village.

[Brinniel]

And sorry if I'm sounding a bit harsh, as I realise I might be. It's just that I'm in a foul mood as it is (just got back from being told how to pay back my $26,000+ in debt and am now working on an animation project which is extremely slow and tedious...fun huh? :rolleyes: ), and while I'm usually better about filtering my frustration, it's just too hard to do while sitting in the middle of a public lab...people might start starting if I randomly start cursing at the computer. Though then again, it might not actually be that weird since it is after all a college campus that I'm in. ;)

[Loslote]

If you are innocent, I'm sorry.

++Brinn

EDIT: xed with Brinn. *snuggles you*

[Brinniel]

Yep, I expect apologies from ALL of you (except Lommy because she was nice didn't vote me) at least once in every post throughout the Day. You can start...now. :Merisu:

[Brinniel]

You guys really better get the wolf toMorrow because I'm feeling awfully pessimistic right now. Last time this happened to me, the village lost. :(

[Brinniel]

And btw Nerwen, if I were alive toMorrow and made the wrong lynch decision, I would've taken the blame, fair enough. But this will be the rest of your decisions, and I will have no influence on it whatsoever...so if you guys make the wrong one, it's on you.

[Nerwen]

Okay, Brinn, maybe I'm sounding a bit harsh, and if so I'm sorry. But I've had you and Agan pursuing me for Days, other people going along with it and simply ignoring the points against you as though they never happened– cf the Glirdan thing. I've been forced to lynch Morsul– whom I never strongly suspected– to save my own life, and I spent two Days so tied up with having to defend myself that I wasn't able to be any use wolf-spotting.

Okay?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Brinniel]

Btw, only two minutes until you can start regretting toDay's lynch. :smokin:

[Nerwen]

Yep, I expect apologies from ALL of you (except Lommy because she was nice didn't vote me) at least once in every post throughout the Day. You can start...now. :Merisu:

For voting you? No, Brinn, if you do happen to turn out innocent, I will not apologise for voting the person who looked by far the most suspicious at the time. You came within a hair's-breadth of saving Legate, remember?

EDIT:X'd with Brinn again.

[Brinniel]

One of the reasons I didn't drop my suspicion of you is because I had no suspicion of anyone else...which I really couldn't help because I simply didn't have time to look for anything suspicious in recent Days...just from what I remember in the early game.

[wilwarin538]

Aganzir -> Brinniel
Lommy -> Nerwen
Shasta -> Brinniel (2)
Nerwen -> Brinniel (3)
Brinniel -> Brinniel (4)
Lottie -> Brinniel (5)

Brinniel is dead. She was Ordinary. Narration might take a while, cause tomorrow I have to study for my last exam, but it'll show up eventually.

[Brinniel]

You came within a hair's-breadth of saving Legate, remember?
Don't forget, I was never trying to save him...only lynch you.

EDIT: X-ed with mod

[wilwarin538]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Alirin walked in the direction that she saw Tweedledee go, hoping to catch up to him. After a few moments she could see him standing by a tree holding an umbrella.

“Do you think it’s going to rain?” Alirin asked, looking up at the sky, which was bright and clear with not a cloud in sight.

“No, I don't think it is,” he said: “at least -- not under here.”

“But it may rain outside?”

"It may, if it chooses” Tweedledee answered, “I’m no objection. Contrariwise.”

He stood there for a moment looking very sad, constantly looking back up at the sky; perhaps hoping that Tweedledum would come falling back down.

“Would you like to hear a poem?” he asked her.

“Alright. But is it very long?” she asked, not really wanting to stay around for longer than necessary.

“Yes, the longest!” he said, and so he began.

The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright --
And this was odd, because it was
The middle of the night.

The moon was shining sulkily,
Because she thought the sun
Had got no business to be there
After the day was done --
"It's very rude of him," she said,
"To come and spoil the fun!"

The sea was wet as wet could be,
The sands were dry as dry.
You could not see a cloud, because
No cloud was in the sky:
No birds were flying over head --
There were no birds to fly.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
"If this were only cleared away,"
They said, "it would be grand!"

"If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose," the Walrus said,
"That they could get it clear?"
"I doubt it," said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.

Tweedledee took a deep sigh as he stopped reciting and shed a tear as he looked back up at the sky hopefully. Alirin was about to ask him to continue, hoping that finishing the poem would help him keep his mind off Tweedledum’s absence, when a familiar black bird appeared again in the sky. Begore either of them could react the crow had swooped down and snatched up Tweedledee and flown away.

Alirin stared up at the sky sadly, feeling terrible about losing the strange little men, and continued walking, hoping that the two were together now and that she could soon find a way to return home.


~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1
Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2
Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2
Izzy - White Rabbit - Ordinary - killed Night 3
Glirdan - Mad Hatter - Wolf - lynched Day 3
Greenie - White Night - Seer - killed Night 4
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat – Wolf – lynched Day 4
Nienna - White Queen - Hunter - killed Night 5
Inzil - King of Hearts - Ordinary - hunter killed Night 5
Morsul - Mock Turtle - Ordinary - lynched Day 5
Mira - March Hare - Ordinary - lynched Day 6
Skip - Humpty Dumpty - Ranger - killed Night 7
Legate - Jabberwocky - Cursed-Wolf - lynched Day 7
Wintywinty - Tweedledum - Ordinary - killed Night 8
Brinniel - Tweedledee - Ordinary - lynched Day 8

Alive
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Lommy – the Gryphon

[wilwarin538]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Alirin found the path again and soon found herself in the garden, and she knew that she was getting closer to that little blue door again. She soon came upon a woman who was nicely dressed and who introduced herself as a Duchess. The two walked together for a while, but Alirin didn’t think to say anything since she was so distracted about the idea of getting home.

“You're thinking about something, my dear, and that makes you forget to talk. I can't tell you just now what the moral of that is, but I shall remember it in a bit.” the Duchess said.

“Perhaps it hasn't one” Alirin ventured to remark.

“Tut, tut, child!” said the Duchess. “Everything's got a moral, if only you can find it.”

“This garden is rather lovely!” Alirin said, trying to stir up some sort of conversation.

''Tis so,” said the Duchess: “and the moral of that is—"Oh, 'tis love, 'tis love, that makes the world go round!"'

“Somebody said,” Alirin whispered, “that it's done by everybody minding their own business!”

“Ah, well! It means much the same thing,” said the Duchess, digging her sharp little chin into Alirin's shoulder as she added, “and the moral of that is—"Take care of the sense, and the sounds will take care of themselves."'

There was a few moments of silence before the Duchess decided to speak again. “there's a large mustard-mine near here. And the moral of that is—"The more there is of mine, the less there is of yours."'

“A mustard mine? But I don’t think mustard is something that can be mined.” Alirin said, quite confused.

“I quite agree with you,” said the Duchess; “and the moral of that is—"Be what you would seem to be"—or if you'd like it put more simply—"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."'

Alirin just stood there extremely confused by this, and didn’t even react at first when the Duchess kept walking and walked right over a cliff. After a moment Alirin walked up to the edge and looked down, but couldn’t even see the bottom.

“Oh my...” she said, as she turned the other way and returned to the garden path, being sure to watch were she walked.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1
Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2
Sally - the Dormouse - Wolf - lynched Day 2
Izzy - White Rabbit - Ordinary - killed Night 3
Glirdan - Mad Hatter - Wolf - lynched Day 3
Greenie - White Night - Seer - killed Night 4
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat – Wolf – lynched Day 4
Nienna - White Queen - Hunter - killed Night 5
Inzil - King of Hearts - Ordinary - hunter killed Night 5
Morsul - Mock Turtle - Ordinary - lynched Day 5
Mira - March Hare - Ordinary - lynched Day 6
Skip - Humpty Dumpty - Ranger - killed Night 7
Legate - Jabberwocky - Cursed-Wolf - lynched Day 7
Wintywinty - Tweedledum - Ordinary - killed Night 8
Brinniel - Tweedledee - Ordinary - lynched Day 8
Lottie - Duchess - Shirriff - killed Night 9

Alive
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Nerwen – the Dodo
Lommy – the Gryphon

[Nerwen]

Well, Brinn, I'm sorry for the unkind things I said, and I'm sorry we lynched you since you were innocent after all– but I'm not going to apologise for voting you, when your actions had looked so bad and your explanation was so inadequate.

Well, I've talked about that already. I'm just a bit fed up, though. This has all happened before, though– another innocent gets some kind of inspiration that I "must" be a wolf, refuses to listen to counter-arguments, and tries to lynch me Day after Day– often egged on by the actual wolves– and in the end usually one of us lynches the other and the village loses. I'm still really surprised that it was Brinn who did it this time.

Anyway, it's Shasta or Agan after all, then– I guess the latter.

EDIT:spelling

[Nerwen]

Well, Aganwolf would of course have had reason to look happy yesterDay, with her comrade's gamble in voting her clearly paying off.

I've already made a case against her, but I'd also like to add that I think it was Agan who began the "bad voting is good voting and good voting is bad voting" mantra which has had such an influence on this game. She certainly promoted it, anyway. (Note that, with the exception of myself, all the "too good to be true" voters are proven innocent now.)

One thing that gives me pause a bit is that Agan being a wolf means she was, indeed, using the old "witchhunt" tactic without any modification at all, which as I say seems pretty foolhardy these days. But maybe she thought the time was right to start using it again. If she's indeed the wolf, it seems her main strategy in the game was to be "just too obvious to be a real wolf"– might explain why she had a fit when I started talking about wolf-tactics going in cycles.

The other is that I was thinking last Night that it would actually be better strategy for an Aganwolf to kill Shasta rather than Lottie. But then wolves, obviously, don't always do what I'd do in their place.

EDIT: Unnecessary capitalisation of "day". Heh, heh.

[Thinlómien]

Agan employs the witchunt tactic even as an innocent.

And yes, I'm quite positive she's our last wolf. Sorry darling, you played very well, but Nerwen nailed you.

Nerwen? Why? Because after what she posted late yesterDay I find it very difficult to believe she's a wolf - if she is, I will definitely send a very complaintful PM to her concerning how she treated Brinn. I would understand a frustrated innocent telling another player it's her fault if the village loses, but a wolf doing that to an innocent is a bit too gross, not a very honourable tactic and I'd like to think Nerwen is above that.

What else? Oh, I also had a dream last night where there was huge BD meeting somewhere and somebody (I think Greenie) suggested we finish this game as a RL game by having a few hour picnic. Everybody thought it was a good idea except Agan who said it wouldn't be fair to the wolf because her expressions can reveal her and she sort of slipped she was talking about herself. It might not be a seer dream but hopefully just as correct. :p (By the way in the dream Wilwa also gave me a microphone and told me to tell the world why I, as the unicorn, am so awesome. I think I said something like "I'm very pretty and I have a nice voice. And I have a horn..." :D)

And lastly, Agan being the wolf instead of Nerwen or Brinn would make sense as for then there'd have been a little wolf-on-wolf massacre.

Nerwen, why would Shasta's death have been more profitable for Aganwolf? As long as Shasta is alive, we have the option of paranoidly suspecting him, not her. If she hadn't killed Lottie, your vote for her would've been 100% guaranteed, which would not have been a smart move from her unless she was very confident she can get me and Shasta to her side.

Speaking of Shasta, I very much doubt he is a wolf. His interactions with Legate, and to lesser extent, with Sally and Nog, seem quite clear evidence for his innocence. Also, his posts have seemed more genuine than any of your others (including dead Lottie :p) in the past few Days. I think he's either an innocent, or an über mastermind wolf who deserves to win.

However, this is the last Day, so even though I'm tempted, I won't make any hasty decisions. If I have time, I will look at all the living people toDay - all meaning all (except myself of course).

PS. I notice I have started posing rhetorical questions to myself in this game... wonderful.

[Aganzir]

Aaaa I'm sorry Brinn! :( I'd also like to apologise to Nerwen & Legate for underestimating you. :p
And I swear this was the last time I dropped my suspicions when the wolf began to act more innocent.

And Shasta if it's you I will, as I already said, lynch you on day 1 from now on.

it was Agan who began the "bad voting is good voting and good voting is bad voting" mantra which has had such an influence on this game.
All I can remember is saying that when we're talking about you, it doesn't matter how many wolves you have lynched, you can still be one yourself; and that if I was a wolf, my voting record would be much better. But I would hardly apply it as a general principle.

why she had a fit when I started talking about wolf-tactics going in cycles.
The reason I questioned you about it was that I've never observed the phenomenon, especially when it comes to what newbie wolves are taught. Plus, something about the way you talked about how we had to decide if winty's behaviour was wolfish or not and then answered me reminded me vividly of a certain "their argument looked like there might be a wolf involved" comment, if you remember.

The other is that I was thinking last Night that it would actually be better strategy for an Aganwolf to kill Shasta rather than Lottie.
Why? Isn't it usually better for a wolf to kill the known innocents first, regardless of who is a wolf?

And yes, I'm quite positive she's our last wolf. Sorry darling, you played very well, but Nerwen nailed you.
Excuse me? Haha no she didn't. But it'd be pretty ironic if you lynched me now because I just texted Nog a while ago that today he's going to lose (I also had something not game-related to say to him though).

if she is, I will definitely send a very complaintful PM to her concerning how she treated Brinn.
Then you had better start writing because unless the wolf is Shasta or wilwa failed to inform me of my role (which I find unlikely, given that I did get a PM from her), that's what Nerwen did. I don't think it was very nice either, though... But then, I've observed that wolves tend to afford to be less friendly than innocents because they're being dishonest anyway (take for example Nog calling Shasta "either false or a fool").

she sort of slipped she was talking about herself.
Yeah and I had a dream Inzil was a wolf.
But it's sort of cool anyway - during this game two people (okay one was me but still) have dreamed I was a wolf when I'm actually not.

And lastly, Agan being the wolf instead of Nerwen or Brinn would make sense as for then there'd have been a little wolf-on-wolf massacre.
What on earth do you mean? That if I'm a wolf, there's no wolf-on-wolf action?

Alright yesterday.

I'm not convinced she's our last wolf, not at all, but if she turns out to be it, I feel better if I haven't given up my suspicion of her at the last minute.
Haha but you have! Let's see who feels better after today. ;)

Why have Agan and Nerwen dropped all mutual suspicion and allied against Brinn?
I hadn't. Brinn just looked worse to me yesterday because my logic told me both wolves would've tried to stay alive, not sacrifice one so late.

[Nerwen]

Agan employs the witchunt tactic even as an innocent.

Yes, but wolves haven't been doing it for quite a while– but then she hasn't been one, or even played, for quite a while either.

Nerwen? Why? Because after what she posted late yesterDay I find it very difficult to believe she's a wolf - if she is, I will definitely send a very complaintful PM to her concerning how she treated Brinn. I would understand a frustrated innocent telling another player it's her fault if the village loses, but a wolf doing that to an innocent is a bit too gross, not a very honourable tactic and I'd like to think Nerwen is above that.

I'd like to think I am too... and I regret having said that anyway. It was a heat of the moment thing, after Brinn's recent posting had started to make me wonder if I'd been wrong about her. (Though I also thought it might have been an act for Lottie's benefit.) I thought, "If she's innocent after all I'll kill her... again!":mad:

What else? Oh, I also had a dream last night where there was huge BD meeting somewhere and somebody (I think Greenie) suggested we finish this game as a RL game by having a few hour picnic. Everybody thought it was a good idea except Agan who said it wouldn't be fair to the wolf because her expressions can reveal her and she sort of slipped she was talking about herself. It might not be a seer dream but hopefully just as correct. :p (By the way in the dream Wilwa also gave me a microphone and told me to tell the world why I, as the unicorn, am so awesome. I think I said something like "I'm very pretty and I have a nice voice. And I have a horn..." :D)

That's so cute.

Nerwen, why would Shasta's death have been more profitable for Aganwolf? As long as Shasta is alive, we have the option of paranoidly suspecting him, not her. If she hadn't killed Lottie, your vote for her would've been 100% guaranteed, which would not have been a smart move from her unless she was very confident she can get me and Shasta to her side.

Look, it was just something I was thinking of last Night... that an Aganwolf would probably have to count on my voting her toDay anyway, so concentrating on getting me lynched might be better for her than trying to keep Shasta as a backup candidate– I mean, it would take quite a lot of work at this point to make him a viable lynch, and she'd surely turn him against her in the process. Besides, Lottie has been very much on Agan's side the last few Days, whereas she suspected me more-or-less. That's all.

Speaking of Shasta, I very much doubt he is a wolf. His interactions with Legate, and to lesser extent, with Sally and Nog, seem quite clear evidence for his innocence. Also, his posts have seemed more genuine than any of your others (including dead Lottie :p) in the past few Days. I think he's either an innocent, or an über mastermind wolf who deserves to win.

Agreed on that one.

EDIT:X'd with Agan.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen
why she had a fit when I started talking about wolf-tactics going in cycles.
The reason I questioned you about it was that I've never observed the phenomenon, especially when it comes to what newbie wolves are taught. Plus, something about the way you talked about how we had to decide if winty's behaviour was wolfish or not and then answered me reminded me vividly of a certain "their argument looked like there might be a wolf involved" comment, if you remember.

ZMOG!11! u m3an taht gam3 wEar shaSta r3vealed as teh raNjer & borow00lf got u all 2 linch him??? ROFL!!!!!11111

...Um... seriously, why?:confused:


But it'd be pretty ironic if you lynched me now because I just texted Nog a while ago that today he's going to lose (I also had something not game-related to say to him though).

You do know that's not evidence, right?


Originally Posted by Lommy
if she is, I will definitely send a very complaintful PM to her concerning how she treated Brinn.
Then you had better start writing because unless the wolf is Shasta or wilwa failed to inform me of my role (which I find unlikely, given that I did get a PM from her), that's what Nerwen did. I don't think it was very nice either, though... But then, I've observed that wolves tend to afford to be less friendly than innocents because they're being dishonest anyway (take for example Nog calling Shasta "either false or a fool").

No, I don't think that's the same at all.

And I don't claim to be above gloating in victory, either, but what I said to Brinn would have been awfully mean from a wolf to the innocent she was in the process of lynching– sort of twisting the knife in the wound.

Btw, no-one doubts you got a PM from Wilwa, Agan. It's just a question of what was in it.;)

[Aganzir]

ZMOG!11! u m3an taht gam3 wEar shaSta r3vealed as teh raNjer & borow00lf got u all 2 linch him??? ROFL!!!!!11111

...Um... seriously, why?:confused:
Yeah exactly that one. ;)
And I don't really know why, the tone of it was just similar... If I had any other thoughts about it, I've forgotten them by now. As you should know, I rely more on my feelings than logic when finding wolves, and when somebody has said something evil-sounding many enough times, I try to see if logic backs up my initial suspicion.

You do know that's not evidence, right?
I do and I wouldn't have posted it if there wasn't a chance I had texted him "Eeek they're sure to lynch me we won't win after all!" because personally I dislike it when someone tries to prove their innocence with RL stuff.

No, I don't think that's the same at all.
I think it's close enough.

And I don't claim to be above gloating in victory, either, but what I said to Brinn would have been awfully mean from a wolf to the innocent she was in the process of lynching– sort of twisting the knife in the wound.
I know. But if you aren't the wolf, it's Shasta who has looked very innocent pretty much throughout the entire game. Or then Lommy is lying and the real unicorn keeps quiet. These are the options that I have - a known innocent, a very very innocent-looking person, and one who I've been suspecting to a heavy extent before but who does something that would be very mean for a wolf to do. Out of all these, you're my best bet.

[Nerwen]

Yeah exactly that one. ;)
And I don't really know why, the tone of it was just similar... If I had any other thoughts about it, I've forgotten them by now. As you should know, I rely more on my feelings than logic when finding wolves, and when somebody has said something evil-sounding many enough times, I try to see if logic backs up my initial suspicion.

Oh, no, you'll have to do better than that, Agan. Why, if I'd made a comparison like that and failed to back it up, you'd be at my throat!

Though, perhaps I can help you out. Both incidents you're referring to involved me saying something another player (or players) did might (or might not, in the case of winty) be suspicious. Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!

–Wait, what?:confused:

I do and I wouldn't have posted it if there wasn't a chance I had texted him "Eeek they're sure to lynch me we won't win after all!" because personally I dislike it when someone tries to prove their innocence with RL stuff.
Oh, so do I... but aren't you trying to do it indirectly, there? If not, what really is the point of saying it at all?

[Aganzir]

Oh, no, you'll have to do better than that, Agan. Why, if I'd made a comparison like that and failed to back it up, you'd be at my throat!
It wasn't actually a point against you, I said it to illustrate why I made a fuss of your "wolf tactics run in cycles" comment and the comments before it. Because it gave me a slightly bad feeling about you that became gradually stronger.

Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!
In other words: it reminded me of Nerwolf. Not just the comment itself but combined with the way you said it, it felt bad.

Oh, so do I... but aren't you trying to do it indirectly, there? If not, what really is the point of saying it at all?
You can interpret it like that if you want to but, objectively, I think it's a comment that could go either way so you can't deduce my role from it. And I said it because it was an amusing thing to say, just like Lommy told she had a dream about the game.

So who's trying to witchhunt now, Nerwen? :p

Oh and it takes one innocent to vote wrong and we've lost the game (because whether the wolf is Shasta or Nerwen, they both can probably be around at deadline, at least given their timezones)...
At the moment I don't particularly care if you lynch me because you can't blame me for our loss anyway (except Brinn). In hindsight I'm only sorry about voting for her yesterday (sorry I forgot to say it in my last post :p) - if I had voted for Nerwen instead, we could've lynched her and the game would most likely be over now.

[Nerwen]

It wasn't actually a point against you, I said it to illustrate why I made a fuss of your "wolf tactics run in cycles" comment and the comments before it. Because it gave me a slightly bad feeling about you that became gradually stronger.
About as vague as it gets, Agan.

Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!

In other words: it reminded me of Nerwolf. Not just the comment itself but combined with the way you said it, it felt bad.

Also as vague as it gets. In other words: it reminded you of every werewolf player ever.

(FYI. This is the post she's talking about. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=626658&postcount=32) The one she insisted was a call to lynch wintywinty.)


Oh, so do I... but aren't you trying to do it indirectly, there? If not, what really is the point of saying it at all?

You can interpret it like that if you want to but, objectively, I think it's a comment that could go either way so you can't deduce my role from it. And I said it because it was an amusing thing to say, just like Lommy told she had a dream about the game.

So who's trying to witchhunt now, Nerwen? :p
Not I. I just asked you why you said it. It was really quite an odd thing to say. What I call "witch-hunting" is when you latch on to a completely ordinary, casual remark that anyone might make, insist that it's a sign of wolvery and force the other party to explain it over and over again, then say "The explanation only makes you look worse", or "Aha! You're defensive!" or "Well, it doesn't matter, you just feel bad". And with any luck, by that time half the village will be after the victim. Sound familiar?

Oh and it takes one innocent to vote wrong and we've lost the game (because whether the wolf is Shasta or Nerwen, they both can probably be around at deadline, at least given their timezones)...
At the moment I don't particularly care if you lynch me because you can't blame me for our loss anyway (except Brinn).

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!

And of course, it would also mean I certainly couldn't be blamed for our loss– but the funny thing is, I most certainly care if I get lynched. That whole wanting-the-village win thing, you know.;)

EDIT:word alteration, spelling.

[Nerwen]

So, could Shasta be the wolf?

Well, he could, yes. He could have come back near DL, worried that Lottie would convince me to vote Legate rather than Agan and that winty might follow suit, and decided to jump on the possible bandwagon because of how good it would make him look, rather than either doing nothing or trying to help Legate by switching to me. Far-fetched, perhaps, but possible. And there have been some points against him, like his role in getting Morsul lynched.

All the same, I can't really see Shasta being the one that gets lynched toDay.

[Nerwen]

Anyway– I might not be able to make the DL this time, so–

++Aganzir

Because there's more against her, by a long shot.

(And Shasta, if it's you after all, you're just brilliant and I will give you a wonderful rep when it's all over.)

Good night and good luck.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading, will post momentarily.

As promised, sorry Brinn. :(

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The other is that I was thinking last Night that it would actually be better strategy for an Aganwolf to kill Shasta rather than Lottie.

I disagree. That would have made it Lottie, Lommy, Nerwen, and Aganzir at deadline... two of which were/are cleared innocents. I'm not sure that's something the wolf would have wanted to risk at endgame.

What else? Oh, I also had a dream last night where there was huge BD meeting somewhere and somebody (I think Greenie) suggested we finish this game as a RL game by having a few hour picnic. Everybody thought it was a good idea except Agan who said it wouldn't be fair to the wolf because her expressions can reveal her and she sort of slipped she was talking about herself.

Oh, then clearly it's Agan. :p

and that if I was a wolf, my voting record would be much better.

Haven't I already said I disagree with this? If I haven't, then I should have - you can't ask us to take on faith what you "would do if" you were a wolf.

ZMOG!11! u m3an taht gam3 wEar shaSta r3vealed as teh raNjer & borow00lf got u all 2 linch him??? ROFL!!!!!11111

Translation:

Oh my dear goodness! Do you mean that game where Shasta revealed as the almighty Ranger, and the silly village actually listened to Borowolf and lynched him?! That's so incredibly amusing!

You do know that's not evidence, right?

I don't think it was supposed to be evidence, Nerwen. Just something amusing to point out.

Though, perhaps I can help you out. Both incidents you're referring to involved me saying something another player (or players) did might (or might not, in the case of winty) be suspicious. Now I can see where the similarity comes in– those are the only two times anyone has said that about anyone else in the entire history of Werewolf!

–Wait, what?

This made me giggle. :D

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!

This bothered me yesterday and it's bothering me again today. Do we have to throw blame around like it's candy? :(

[Aganzir]

About as vague as it gets, Agan.
And if I explained my thought process in great detail (not that I'd be able to), then what? "You're overly defensive and making much ado about a small comment!"

Also as vague as it gets. In other words: it reminded you of every werewolf player ever.
Not really, Nerwolf is clearly not the same as every werewolf player ever. ;) If Lommy says something is terrible in her first post, it's okay. If you say it, I keep an eye on you. There are differences between players, and some things that I connect to your wolf self.

And with any luck, by that time half the village will be after the victim. Sound familiar?
Ahh you're talking about my or Nog's playing style? :p
Seriously, I can believe wolves have done that too, but I think it has more to do with individual players than their roles.

My dear Agan, if you do turn out innocent I will most certainly blame you for our loss– see my comments to Brinn yesterDay and then multiply them by ten. If you're both innocent, that would mean neither of you even has the excuse of having been manipulated by a wolf!
Which is worse, being wrong because of skilful wolf manipulation or being wrong of one's own accord? I don't think there's really a difference. And you can blame me all you want, I hold to my opinion that you look the most suspicious of us.
Anyway using the same logic I could say I'll blame you if you're innocent; why did you have to look so wolfish that Shasta got a free pass through the last days? However if you're innocent and we lose this game, I'd rather not blame anyone... It'd just be damn good playing on Shasta's part rather than bad playing from any of us. At least that's what I'd prefer to think.

Haven't I already said I disagree with this? If I haven't, then I should have - you can't ask us to take on faith what you "would do if" you were a wolf.
Yes you have and I know that anyway. This time I said it just to contrast Nerwen's point about me repeating bad voting is good voting and the other way round.

[Aganzir]

I'm going to busy myself with this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16377) soon so just in case...

++Nerwen

[Thinlómien]

Back here, friendses. Will do some rereading...

Out of curiousity: Shasta, which one do you suspect?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Back here, friendses. Will do some rereading...

Out of curiousity: Shasta, which one do you suspect?

They both have points for and against them... for me, it's really a question of "who appears more innocent?". And after yesterday, I think Nerwen appears more innocent than Agan... but I'd hate to vote the "less innocent" rather than the "more wolvish". Ugh.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Lommy, please say you're here... I know it's late for you but I would really prefer not deciding the outcome of the game by myself! :eek:

[Thinlómien]

I am, I'm just stuck on Skype with some 'downers... will you be around for long?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I am, I'm just stuck on Skype with some 'downers... will you be around for long?

DL is in three hours, I should be around for at least two of them, but I have a throbbing headache. :(

[Thinlómien]

Poor Shasta. I don't have any other hindrances except that it's 1.30 am here and I should go to sleep...

But unless something drastic happens, I'll be voting Agan. Nerwen has seemed innocent toDay, Agan hasn't. What Nerwen said yesterDay is too rude to be wolf-on-innocent and Agan has somehow wolvishly careless, in the sense that she doesn't seem to be torn about who the last wolf is (at all) and seems to take it all in a sort of "we'll see what happens, hahahaa" attitude.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Poor Shasta. I don't have any other hindrances except that it's 1.30 am here and I should go to sleep...

But unless something drastic happens, I'll be voting Agan. Nerwen has seemed innocent toDay, Agan hasn't. What Nerwen said yesterDay is too rude to be wolf-on-innocent and Agan has somehow wolvishly careless, in the sense that she doesn't seem to be torn about who the last wolf is (at all) and seems to take it all in a sort of "we'll see what happens, hahahaa" attitude.

Doesn't Agan usually have that attitude, though, whatever her role?

Ugh... I actually think I'll probably be voting Agan myself... again, it's not that Agan looks more wolvish, it's that Nerwen looks more innocent.

[Thinlómien]

Well I think she'd be sort of taking this more seriously if she was innocent... but whatever...

[Thinlómien]

++Aganzir

I do believe she is our last wolf. If not, well, then that's just typical Nerwen... :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Now it's up to you Shasta since the last one to reach the most votes dies... Choose well. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Now it's up to you Shasta since the last one to reach the most votes dies... Choose well. :)

I'll do my best...

++Aganzir

[wilwarin538]

Aganzir is dead.

She was.......


dum dum dum



wait for it.....


Ordinary.


The final Wolf has chosen to kill Nerwen. Who is also Ordinary.


WOLVES WIN


The final narration will be up sometime tomorrow. Everyone can post now.

[wilwarin538]

Alirin continued her walk, being sure to stay far from the cliff and soon came upon a different type of garden. There was a large castle with a huge lawn in front. There were many trees covered in white roses, but there were gardeners painting them red.

“How odd.” Alirin thought, when suddenly the three gardeners fell flat on their faces. Before the girl could ask why they were behaving in this way she saw a few people coming towards her. One seemed to be a Queen, she was all dressed in red with heart patterns, and she was very stern looking. With her was a Dodo, a Gryphon and a man also dressed in red with hearts.

`Who is this?' The Queen of Hearts said it to the Knave of Hearts, who only bowed and smiled in reply.

`Idiot!' said the Queen, tossing her head impatiently; and, turning to Alirin, she went on, `What's your name, child?'

`My name is Alirin, so please your Majesty,' said Alice very politely.

`And who are THESE?' said the Queen, pointing to the three gardeners who were lying round the rosetree, still face down.

`How should I know?' said Alirin, surprised at her own courage. `It's no business of MINE.'

The Queen turned crimson with fury, and, after glaring at her for a moment like a wild beast, screamed `Off with her head! Off--'

`Nonsense!' said Alirin, very loudly and decidedly, and the Queen was silent.
`Can you play croquet?' the Queen suddenly asked.

`Yes!' said Alirin.

`Come on, then!' roared the Queen, and Alirin joined the small group, wondering very much what would happen next.
She looked around and soon spotted that the Dodo had ran off and accidently fell into a large fountain. Seeming to not know how else to dry off he began running around in circles.

“What is he doing?” Alirin asked the Knave, who was walking along side her.

“He’s having a Caucus-race, I think he’s winning.” the Knave explained. This made no sense to Alirin, considering the Dodo was running in circles on his own, and was randomly stopping and starting again, and constantly changing directions. After a few moments he stopped and suddenly came over to her.

“I’ve won the race, I should like a price now!” the Dodo said to her. Alirin reached into her pocket and pulled out a thimble, this seemed to please him.

By this time the Queen had started to play crocket, using a flamingo has her racket and a hitting live hedgehogs, and had randomly called out for someone’s head to be chopped off. Before she could respond the Gryphon had now walked over to her and began to speak.

“What fun!' said the Gryphon, half to itself, half to Alirin.

`What IS the fun?' said Alirin.

`Why, SHE,' said the Gryphon. `It's all her fancy, that: they never executes nobody, you know.”

Alirin was quite releaved by this, but was feeling rather bored just standing and watching the Queen play the odd sport.

“Have you ever done the Lobster Quadrille?” the Gryphon asked. Alirin responded with no, and was quite curious, she rather liked dancing.

“What kind of dance is it?” she asked him.

`Why,' said the Gryphon, `you first form two lines along the sea-shore, seals, turtles, salmon, and so on; then, when you’ve cleared all the jelly-fish out of the way -- THAT generally takes some time—you advance twice, each with a lobster as a partner! ' as he was describing the dance he was jumping all about.

“Then you advance twice, change lobsters, and retire in same order” the Gryphon continued, “then you throw the lobsters as far out to sea as you can, swim after them, turn a somersault in the sea, back to land, and that’s all the first figure!” He finished, with sigh, and sat down, since all the mad jumping about had made him quite tired.

Suddenly Alirin could hear the Queen screaming and hollering and pointing angrily at the Knave of Hearts.

“What is going on?” Alirin asked the Dodo.

“Well, the Queen of Hearts, she made some tarts, all on a summer day: the Knave of Hearts, he stole those tarts, and took them quite away!” the Dodo responded.

“Off with his head!” the Queen was yelling as Alirin, the Dodo and the Gryphon walked closer. The Knave was standing there simply denying it, as some card soldiers walked towards him.

Before anyone could say another word, or before the soldiers could apprehend the Knave, he pulled out a sword and cut off the Queen’s head!

“Off with YOUR head!” he yelled as he ran towards the Dodo and quickly did the same to him. Alirin stood in shock as all of this happened, not quite knowing how to respond.

The Knave walked up to the Gryphon and seemed about to do the same to him (a horn had suddenly appeared on the Gryphon’s forehead), but instead walked away and said, “you can do me no harm now.”

He began to walk towards Alirin holding on to the sword, but she quickly put out her hand and yelled, “enough!”

The Knave and the Gryphon both stopped and looked at her.

“I have spent the whole day being shrunk, and grown, and bossed around by animals!” she said, getting rather frustrated, as her voice grew and she shut her eyes tight to try and calm down. “I’ve been to mad tea parties far more often then I’d like, I’ve heard far too much poetry, and everyone I’ve met has died! I will have no more of it!”

She stood there for a moment clenching her fists and holding her eyes tightly shut. After a moment she realised that everything had gone silent and all she could hear was the babble of a little brook. Slowly the girl opened her eyes and found her sister staring at her with wide eyes and a gaping mouth. Alirin was back where she had started that morning.

“I’m never going anywhere with a rabbit, ever again.”

[wilwarin538]

Some fun stuff for you guys:

Greenie – Seer
Night 1 – Mira
Night 2 – Lottie
Night 3 – Legate
Night 4 - Shasta

If she hadn't of been killed the game would have been over very quickly. I'm happy that wasn't the case, haha, I wanted my game to last a while, and it certainly did.

Skip – Ranger
Night 2 – Greenie
Night 3 – Nienna
Night 4 – Lommy
Night 5 – Aganzir
Night 6 – Lommy
Night 7 - Lottie

Nienna - Hunter
Day 1 – Lottie
Night 2 – Greenie
Night 3 – Glirdan
Night 4 – Legate
Night 5 - Inziladun

Thanks so much to everyone for playing! :D It was great fun to watch!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Does that mean I can relax, finally? :rolleyes:

Edit: And what do you mean, Greenie never dreamt of Nog?! :eek:

[Nerwen]

Well, that was just brilliant, Shasta!

And Agan and Brinn, I'm sorry I was so unpleasant. It's just that I was getting awfully frustrated with you two.

By the way–

Shasta– I'm not getting any bad vibes from him. However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf...:eek:

Exactly! :rolleyes:

–So, it seems our gifteds all made good choices, but had rotten luck (eg. Nienna picked two wolves, but was hunting an ordo on the Night she died).

[Inziladun]

Congratulations, wolves, and well done Shasta!

If I'd had to vote the last Day, I'd have probably chosen Agan too.

Thanks for modding, Wilwa! Great narrations.

For the record, this marks the third occasion I've been killed by a Hunter, innocent every time. :rolleyes:

[Mirandir]

Fantastic job, Shasta my dear!

I was so set on Agan being the last wolf. Fabulously played.

Good game everyone! And thanks wilwa for modding. Awesome premise as always!

[Nienna]

Good game all!! Especially Shasta. *hats off to you*

Sorry Zil for taking you down with me.

Fabulous game Wilwa, my darling.

Sally aren't you glad I know you so well :p:cool::D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, that was just brilliant, Shasta!

And Agan and Brinn, I'm sorry I was so unpleasant. It's just that I was getting awfully frustrated with you two.

By the way–



Exactly! :rolleyes:

–So, it seems our gifteds all made good choices, but had rotten luck (eg. Nienna picked two wolves, but was hunting an ordo on the Night she died).

Yeah, I'm totally changing my sig to that. Probably my favorite quote of the game - I laughed hard when I read it.

[Isabellkya]

You turd, you killed me! Thats okay, I've killed you before. xD

Thanks for hosting Wilwa, it was a fun game!

Great game everyone!

[satansaloser2005]

BWAHAHAHAHA! Hehe. ^_^

Blasted parking lot interwebs mean I can't hang out and snicker properly, but well done all!

Oh, and as a point of interest, first Night kill musings. I sent my fellows a PM that said something along the lines of "Okay, I don't know why, but I have the insane niggling that we have to kill Lommie, and we have to do it toNight." How nice it would have been to have Fea back! :rolleyes: Also, Shasta and I had quite the conversation/polite argument over the first Night kill. I insisted that we had to kill Lottie (I TOLD YOU SO!) but we eventually agreed (since I seemed to be the only dissenter lol) to kill Boro to knock off Lottie's main supporter. Heh. Well.... ;)

I'm quite proud of my packmates. Poor Glirdan didn't get to do a whole lot, except for us screaming at each other in the thread, and poor Nog should have lasted much longer in my opinion. (Also, I second Shasta. I was almost positive Greenie dreamt him.) Legate was a brilliant addition to our lovely team, even if I didn't get to actually canoodle with him, and of course the ever-brilliant Shasta brought the win! Yay wolves! *nibbles Lottie's jugular some more*

Vanilwa Muffin, this was an insanely fun game both to read and to play in. Kudos!


(I'll try to say more later, but I've got church in the morning and I'm a few miles from home so I should get to bed.)

[Loslote]

As much as I hate to admit it, Shasta really deserved that one. :p

Vanilwuffin dearest, you were an excellent moddess! :D

*nibbles Lottie's jugular some more*

Heh. Hush, you. :p

[Boromir88]

I insisted that we had to kill Lottie (I TOLD YOU SO!) but we eventually agreed (since I seemed to be the only dissenter lol) to kill Boro to knock off Lottie's main supporter. Heh. Well.... ;)


Ah, very wise decision, because everyone knows the key to a successful coup is not the main leading figurehead. The leader can always be replaced, you must take out their primary support first! Bravo, well played. :D

Shasta, you already know how I feel about this, :p more to come when it's not 1:30 am.

[Thinlómien]

Shasta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I ask one question: what on earth was that stuff about voting Legate?!? As a wolf I would never have come and got my fellow lynched on the very last minute if I had already voted and said I wouldn't be back - if I managed to come back, I'd just stare at the screen and hope for the best. Maybe that just proves you're a better wolf than I'd ever be. :p

Anyway, kudos to everybody for a wonderful game! I should've died after Nog though, I could've brought Greenie back and my track record would've remained quite excellent... Speaking of which, it's quite ironic I said "if Nog isn't a wolf, I'd look at Shasta because I'm quite sure Greenie dreamt one of them and found a wolf" - I never thought they would both be wolves...

And aww to Skip for protecting me. And I would totally have got crazy if I had died on Night2. I was thinking then that if I die and bring Fea back, it's about the most epic failure I could do... And I'm glad you didn't pick Nienna that Night...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Uh-huh, guys, how come you have ever let that happen! Completely ignoring Shasta?

That said, congratulations to him! Splendidly done. Although I have to confess that even after my death I was still cheering more for the village to win, because I felt more like a villager than a Wolf. And I was not really very pleased with the idea of being a Cursed in the first place - I just think it unfair, not in the sense of disbalance or anything, but in the sense of being unfair towards the person. This far, I saw the Cursed only as a role possibly making things very confusing for the villagers, but after having a personal experience with it, I am never going to have a Cursed in my game. And I will likely avoid playing in ones which have that role.

It was a lovely game basically until that moment - I must say I was originally very, very frustrated, because I suddenly lost all motivation for the game. I *knew* Brinn and Agan (and Lommy and Lottie) were innocent, so the only person I could suspect with "clean conscience" was Nerwen and my previous strongest suspect, Shasta! (Not too strong, but the last remaining of the "possibly suspicious" people and with incredibly suspicious voting record. Honestly, at that point I did not believe he can make it either.) I could not really make my mind switch into the "Wolf-mode" overnight and I was really thinking of quitting at some point, but I felt the sense of duty - not just to the Wolves but also to the village, as to not make the Wolves say "well, it was unfair that the village won, as we should have had the Cursed with us, but he quit".

That said, Shasta probably did the best thing he could by attacking me. Had I been around, innocent and alive, he would be still on my list and at the least he could not slip by just completely unnoticed.

But yea, in the end, it was fun while it lasted. I even accepted the Cursed role sometime during the mid-second Day of my Wolvery. Not that it lasted long. But really, I don't understand how somebody could like getting that role.

In general, however, I must say the village did remarkably well - until certain point. And, oh woe, we should have had Greenie telling us her dreams. But I think the Gifteds did quite a good job in general to keep a low profile (myself, I have suspected skip to be a Ranger and also Lommy to be the Unicorn - which is what I told Shasta, and it turned out to be correct! - but it was rather hunches from me, no particular evidence. So at least as for killing skip, that was one part of what it's been based on). That said, Wolves, how was it with Greenie's death? Did you folks think she's the Seer and dreamed of Nog? Or was it just because of the threat to Nog? Or how was it?

And one last interesting experience, which I had thanks to the fact of being a Cursed but after my death still cheering for the village - I was reading the thread and how people try to analyse my Wolf-behavior and thinking all the time "read this! Read this! That was SO stupid move from me, SO transparent, pick on that! It's obviously fake!" Well, if nothing else, then that was an interesting - and rather unusual - experience of being the Cursed.

[Aganzir]

SHASTANIS ALTHREDUIN!!!!!
You. Are. Crazy.

I was like, "Yes Nerwen has been suspicious but she has also done things I don't think she would if she was a wolf, but then Shasta... He just can't be a wolf, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever!" Well Shasta, I will never underestimate you again in the future... :p

Nerwen I'm sorry! I can imagine how annoying it is when I make cases like that against an innocent, but sometimes it has caught me wolves.

Also, sorry Brinn, although I don't think the outcome would've been much different if we had lynched Nerwen instead of you...

Now that I'm at it, I could also tell Inzil I'm sorry about going after you so relentlessly!

Anyway well played everybody and I was especially happy to have skip playing. You did really well for a newbie! Although I have a feeling you're going to be one of my constant suspects if we keep playing together... :D
It was nice to play with you too, winty! Let's hope you have more time next game.

And heck I should really play more... My wolf spotting record was abysmal. :rolleyes: Well, I would have got more suspicious about Nog even if Greenie hadn't died, but not sure it would've been enough to lynch him.

But really, I don't understand how somebody could like getting that role.
*raises hand meekly*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*raises hand meekly*

Nah, that was all too obvious, I am not counting you (if you want to interpretate it positively, you are not just "somebody" ;) ).

[skip spence]

So it was Shasta... Dammit, he was number one on my suspects list for some time. I knew or well thought he was just a little bit too slick to be true. Wish I'd had the confidence to make my case stronger. But well played Shasta. Was he ever in real danger of getting lynched?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I ask one question: what on earth was that stuff about voting Legate?!?

You can blame our resident newbie winty for that. :mad:

Here's the deal. I make it back, see that Nerwen has one more vote than Legate. Brinn was left to vote, and I knew she'd vote Nerwen, and I was banking on her holding her vote till the end like usual, so I hammered on Legate, knowing that Nerwen would vote Legate to save herself, but that Brinn's vote would come last, meaning that Nerwen would be lynched anyway. I was quite proud of myself until I scroll back up and see not just Nerwen's vote, which I expected, but a vote out of nowhere from winty as well. I think I threw something at that point. :mad:

It seems to have worked out pretty well, though. :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

SHASTANIS ALTHREDUIN!!!!!
You. Are. Crazy.

Glad you think so. :D Once Nog bit it, I knew that was exactly what I was going to have to do. :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Did you folks think she's the Seer and dreamed of Nog? Or was it just because of the threat to Nog? Or how was it?

Nog gets most of the credit for that one. He was positive Greenie was the Seer and dreamt of him. (Silly me... I wanted to get her lynched. :rolleyes:) After discussing, we decided to kill her even though we knew it would probably mean Nog's death on the morrow.

[satansaloser2005]

Shasta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I ask one question: what on earth was that stuff about voting Legate?!? As a wolf I would never have come and got my fellow lynched on the very last minute if I had already voted and said I wouldn't be back - if I managed to come back, I'd just stare at the screen and hope for the best. Maybe that just proves you're a better wolf than I'd ever be. :p

Heh, heh, heh. I asked him the same thing. He didn't expect Legate to actually be lynched, so he was just doing it for appearance, blah blah. Obviously he'd explain it better than me, but yeah. He didn't do it on purpose.

*hugs poor Legate* Wilwa told me everything upon my death except who the cursed was (because that was her little secret....hehe) so when you got turned I nearly died of shock.


Love you too, Lottie. ;)

*snuggles Boro the Birthday Boy*


ETA: x'd with many a Shasta. Whoops. Lol and you also cursed, like a lot. A lot. :p

[wilwarin538]

Final narration is up.

Thanks again to everyone for playing!!! :D

[Loslote]

But really, I don't understand how somebody could like getting that role.

...actually I quite enjoyed being Candy the Cursed Cobbler in Sally's game. I had a lot of fun with it (especially with being a dreamed known wolf). :p

[Morsul the Dark]

I voted Shasta... I voted a wolf almost every time... I'm proud of myself:smokin:

go wolves, Shasta you did an excellent job overall.

[Nerwen]

Nice wolf-spotting indeed, Morsul– and sorry I had to vote you!

[Morsul the Dark]

No Don't worry about that!

I Voted myself: A- to trap someone(And Shasta was First to vote me!.. So it worked HA I just voted wrong that day)

and B- If I was lynched I'd be out of the way and no be the one to lose the game for everyone :)

[Nogrod]

Hats off to Shasta the wolf! That was just absolutely fabulous!

And my god how effective the village was before he was left alone! :eek: (well then again, we didn't play the best game possible either, to be honest)

Wolves, how was it with Greenie's death? Did you folks think she's the Seer and dreamed of Nog? Or was it just because of the threat to Nog? Or how was it?The problem was that she was openly convnced that me and Glirdy were wolves - as we were - but her reasons were flimsy indeed. So she had to be the seer and we were screwed. But we had to take her down to save Shasta being dreamt of as well. And then I could always try to make a fight for myself (even if we made a deal Shasta should not back away from getting me lynched).

Oh the irony, she told me today she had just come up with a totally random suspicion of me to look a bit odd as to save herself from the wolves' attention making herself a possible lynch-candidate later and so not woth Night-killing)... :D

So funnily the case I made for Greenie not having dreamt of me the next Day was actually exactly correct - even if I didn't know it myself back then. So you villagers were lucky not to listen to the words of actual wisdom and truth about the matter... :rolleyes:

When I realised my chances of survival were pretty thin I started to build up as believable case against Shasta to make it look like I was really trying to get him lynched (happily a few of you helped me in that making him a possible lynch-candidate). That way I hoped I could add a little more credibility to his innocence. Maybe it was not totally in vain in the end?


Yeah. A fun game indeed! Thanks everyone!

And kudos to Wilwa! You did a great job! And finally got to narrate a whole game even if it looked pretty bad after the first few Days.

[Glirdan]

Okay, so once again, I say we vote Lottie out of the tribe!! :p

And I must apologize to everyone for my lack of participation on my last Day, but I had previous engagements that Day that I had completely forgotten about...which is terribly upsetting for me as Nog, Shasta and I had a plan to confuse the living crap out of you all :p

Anyways, good game to all, and especially great game to Shasta.

And of course, lovely modding by my bestie!! Lots of love Wilwa!!

PS: LOVED my death :D

[Loslote]

Okay, so once again, I say we vote Lottie out of the tribe!! :p

++Lottie

I assume by out of the tribe you mean you are going to make me the resident awesome foriegn-person. :Merisu:

[wilwarin538]

And of course, lovely modding by my bestie!! Lots of love Wilwa!!

PS: LOVED my death :D

Yes, that one did turn out quite fun. I really liked writing all of them!!! :D

[A Little Green]

Wow, well done Shasta, you managed to scrape a glorious victory for the wolf team even though the earliest Days didn't exactly promise a baddie victory!
Wilwa, thanks so much for modding, it was a great and eventful game, the best possible for playing after a while's absence from the 'Downs.
Edit: And what do you mean, Greenie never dreamt of Nog?!Oh the irony, she told me today she had just come up with a totally random suspicion of me to look a bit odd as to save herself from the wolves' attention making herself a possible lynch-candidate later and so not woth Night-killing)...It wasn't totally random, I had this funny feeling that you might be a wolf. I just exaggerated it a bit. But generally my tactic was to avoid getting Night-killed by seeming somewhat suspicious all the time - not enough to get myself lynched, though. I managed that quite neatly, too, until I picked the wrong target for my flimsy accusations... :rolleyes: And of course it was just my luck to dream of a wolf the Night I was killed. But at least I can congratulate myself on getting a wolf down, even if I never even dreamed of that particular one! Mwaha.

[satansaloser2005]

And again, how much I'd love to be a fly on the House of Nog's wall during times like these. ;)

[Nogrod]

And again, how much I'd love to be a fly on the House of Nog's wall during times like these. ;)If you were a fruit-fly I'd just make a trap for you from fruits or wine, and if you were a regular fly I'd just roll a newspaper... :D

[Boromir88]

Woo, I can finally catch up!

First, wilwa, awesome game theme, I expected nothing less coming from you and just shamed that I had to die so early. This meant that after about Day 3, I couldn't keep up with it. Still, great fun. :D

Lottie that one day of PMs were just fabulous. It was interesting being the calm and tempered one of the two of us, because that is soooo usually not me. I thought a bit of balance was needed, and afterall we made a great team. We got locked onto Sally and Glirdan...so I was wrong about Greenie and you were wrong about Agan. Big deal. :p

Poor wolves had almost everything go against them at the beginning, even when getting the seer, it cost them Nogrod. Shasta turns Legate, next day he's dead. But alas, Shasta does it again! Well done.

[satansaloser2005]

If you were a fruit-fly I'd just make a trap for you from fruits or wine, and if you were a regular fly I'd just roll a newspaper... :D

Meep.

[Loslote]

Lottie that one day of PMs were just fabulous. It was interesting being the calm and tempered one of the two of us, because that is soooo usually not me. I thought a bit of balance was needed, and afterall we made a great team. We got locked onto Sally and Glirdan...so I was wrong about Greenie and you were wrong about Agan. Big deal. :p

Heh. Yeah, I doubt if "calm and tempered" has ever been used to describe me. And Shasta said that acting irrational was uncommon for me! ;)

That one last hour when we were trying *not* to get me killed...now that was interesting. :rolleyes: