WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[wilwarin538]

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Alirin was sitting on the bank of a small brook, on a very hot summer day, feeling as bored as a piece of wood. She had peaked over at the book that her sister was reading but the lack of pictures made her quickly uninterested, since a book is rather useless without illustrations. She was trying to decide whether the fun of making a daisy chain would be worth the effort to move, when the most curious creature hopped by.

Now a white rabbit is surely not an unusual sight to behold, and the girl did not even find it odd that he was dressed rather gentlemanly and was complaining about being late; it was the fact that he pulled out a pocket watch that she found most curious. She quickly decided that she just must follow him, for a talking white rabbit in a waistcoat is not a shocking sight at all, but the presence of the pocket watch was just so highly unusual as to not be ignored.

Alirin got up quickly and ran after the rabbit. She arrived on the other side of the field just fast enough to spot him as he scurried down an abnormally large rabbit hole hidden under a hedge. Her first instinct was, of course, to jump in after it without any regard for her own safety or well being. After crawling through the hole for a time there came a sudden drop and Alirin had no time to turn back for she was suddenly falling down a well.

Now whether it was the fact that the well was very deep or she was falling very slowly is difficult to discern, but either way she had sufficient time to look about at her surroundings as she fell. The walls seemed to be covered with shelves and cupboards and mirrors and pictures. She was able to grab a jar of marmalade on her way past, that sadly turned out empty (though she was concerned that dropping the jar could harm someone below and placed it back on a shelf).

'Well' said Alirin to herself, 'after a fall like this I won't be scared of anything, not even falling down stairs or off the roof! Everyone at home will think me to be so brave!'

She was falling for so long that she grew bored, so she began to contemplate various things, completely unrelated to her seemingly imminent demise, such as how many miles she had fallen (4 thousand miles seemed accurate), whether or not she’d end up in Australia or New Zealand, and if cats ate bats (or bats ate cats).

Finally, just as she was starting to get rather sleepy and bored of talking to herself, she landed on a heap of sticks and dry leaves. Looking around she saw a long passage, and luckily the white rabbit was still in sight. She could hear him saying “oh my ears and whiskers, how late it is getting!”, and quickly chased after it, not having the slightest idea of what she was getting herself into.

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(kudos to Sally for the cool character name)

PLEASE NO POSTING ON THIS THREAD.

[wilwarin538]

Rullz

•No double lynchings, in the case of a tie the person who last received that # of votes will be lynched.

• votes should be highlighted please, so like: [ highlight ] ++Wilwa [/ highlight ], just without the spaces. Makes it easier for me to spot them.

•Every player gets 1 retractable vote for the entire game.

•Under no circumstances can you show any proof of your role or any PMs you’ve shared with me or players you’re permitted to talk to. As well, try to avoid speaking to other players outside of the game thread (so PM, IM, MSN, Facebook, ect…), it’s very easy to slip up and reveal info that you shouldn’t reveal, and it also gives you an unfair advantage over other players.

•To dead people: you are dead, no talking on the game thread. As well, do not reveal any information you may know to living players. Dead players should also not speak of the game to each other, since one of you could come back to life (ie. Unicorn).

•Everyone be invisible please. (go to User CP -> Edit Options -> Use Invisible Mode -> Scroll to the bottom and select Save Changes)

•Mod-fire most definitely exists; if you don’t participate/vote for 2 Days straight, you die...you can explain any absences in the admin thread.

•All votes should be on time, either before or on the minute (9:30 pm EST). One minute late is still late, so it doesn’t count.


Rollz

4 Wolves: PM at Night and choose someone to kill, win when their number matches or is greater than the number of innocents.

1 Cursed: if chosen as the Night kill, will become a Wolf. Does not know their role, but the role will be revealed when they die. Seer sees them as an Ord.

1 Seer: chooses 1 person a Night and finds out their role.

1 Hunter: chooses one person to hunt, when they die their choice will die too no matter their role. They can change their pick once every Night and Day.

1 Ranger: can’t protect the same person 2 Nights in a row, and cannot protect themselves.

1 Cobbler: wants the Wolves to win, but is counted as an innocent and seen as innocent by the Seer. Role revealed when they die.

2 Shirriffs: Basically just PM pals (Night and Day), don’t die together or anything, and can’t reveal their roles while both are still alive.

1 Unicorn: when they die I will put the names of all of the dead in a hat, including the Unicorn’s name. If the name I pick out is of an innocent (or Cobbler) they will come back to life, if it’s a Wolf than no one comes back. Everyone comes back as an Ordo (except Cobbler still Cobbler, and Shirriff still Shirriff if their partner is still alive).

+ 7 Ordos: vote to kill Wolves, win when all Wolves are dead.

PLEASE NO POSTING ON THIS THREAD. Roles will be sent out soon.

[wilwarin538]

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As Alirin followed the rabbit around a corner she found herself in a long narrow hall, completely alone. All along the hall she saw many doors of different sizes and all painted different colours. One by one she tried each one but it was soon clear that they were all locked.

Feeling quite discouraged she wandered up and down the hall wondering what she could possibly do now, when she spotted something that she had not noticed before. In the middle of the hall was a little glass table that had a small golden key sitting on top of it. She picked it up and began to try it in every door, but it was always too big or too small. Alirin walked back up to try them all again when she noticed a curtain she hadn’t seen before. Pulling it aside it revealed a little, blue door, about 15 inches high. She tried the key and was quite excited to see that it fit, and bending down to look through she could see a beautiful garden on the other side.

Now Alirin was quite happy that she had found a way out of the hall, but was discouraged as well since she could not fit through. Returning to the table she spotted something she had not seen previously (she is not a very observant girl); it was a little bottle with the eloquent label “DRINK ME”. Seeing as how anyone who would have a desire to poison her would clearly have the courtesy to label the bottle with a warning, she decided to take a sip. The liquid was rather pleasing to the taste (a mix of pie, fruit, turkey and toast), so she quickly drank about half.

Within moments Alirin found herself to be 10 inches high and was quite excited that she would now be able to fit through the door. She quickly ran over and tried the handle and was dismayed to realise that she had forgotten the little golden key back on top of the glass table. She tried for a time to climb up the legs but they were too slippery and she was far too small.

After all the effort she sat down and decided to rest for a time, perhaps the door would be open when she awoke, or the rabbit would show up to allow her in. She quickly fell soundly asleep as mischievous things were occurring on the other side of the little blue door.

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It is now Night 1, Wolves and Shirriffs may start PMing, and the Seer can send me a pick. Please no posting on this thread. Day 1 starts in 24 hours. Everyone should be invisible now.

[wilwarin538]

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Alirin woke up and took a look around. She was still in the long hall and she was still 10 inches tall. She walked over to the door and tried the handle again, but it was still locked, so she pressed her ear to it to try and hear if anyone was there. No one was.

Walking back to the table, with the plan of trying to climb up the legs, she noticed a little glass box sitting on a purple plush pillow. ‘Someone must have left it there while I slept’ she supposed as she looked inside. She found a small little cake with the words ‘EAT ME’ written on it with raisins. She took a nibble and waited to see what would happen, figuring that if it made her taller she could reach the key, if it made her smaller she could crawl under the door, either way it would help her achieve her goal.

She sat there with her hand above her head to see which way she would grow, but nothing was happening. Nothing usually happens when you eat cake, but in this case it was a surprise since nothing but unusual things had been happening recently. Alirin decided to eat the rest of the cake. Soon she began to grow so tall that she could barely see her feet. ‘Oh my poor feet’ she said ‘who will put on your shoes now? I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself with you. Oh, but I must be kind to them or they may not walk the way I would like. Hmm, perhaps if I send them a new pair of boots every Christmas. Oh, but then I would have to send them by carrier, and how odd the directions would look.’

Alirin’s Right Foot, Esq.
Hearthrug,
Near the Fender,
(With Alirin’s Love).

As she continued to think of such silly things her head suddenly hit the roof, and she realised that she was now over 9 feet tall! She reached down to the table and picked up the key and rushed over to the little blue door. Unfortunately she was now far too large. She sat down, feeling very discouraged and so close to tears. That’s when she noticed the little bottle still sitting on the table, with half of the strange liquid left over!

She quickly drank down the rest, being sure to still have the little key in her hand. When she finally stopped shrinking (at about 12 inches high) she ran over to the little door and finally made it through.

‘Curiouser and curiouser’ was the only thing that could properly describe what she saw.

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Dead
No one......yet.

Alive
Glirdan – Mad Hatter
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat
Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Boro88 – the Caterpillar
Isabellkya – White Rabbit
Mira – March Hare
Sally – the Dormouse
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Inzil – King of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Legate – Jabberwocky
Morsul – the Mock Turtle
Nienna – White Queen
Fea – Red Queen
Skip – Humpty Dumpty
Lommy – the Gryphon
Greenie – White Knight
Brinniel – Tweedledee

It is now Day 1. Posting may start, keeping in mind that this is up about 21 minutes early, so DL is in 24 hours and 21 minutes. Wolves can keep PMing for the next 21 minutes if they really want to. Please remember to highlight your votes. :) I'll need a name from the Hunter sometime toDay.

[Loslote]

Ooh. We can start? This makes Duchess!Lottie happy, and she will generously give you sillies words of advice:

Analyze thoroughly the evil wolves and lynch them when they parody,
They only do it to annoy because they know it confuses.
Wow! Wow! Wow!
Wow! Wow! Wow!
They only do it to annoy because they know it confuses.

I analyze the evil wolves, I lynch them when they parody
For song parodies always indicate wolvishness.
Wow! Wow! Wow!
Wow! Wow! Wow!
For song parodies always indicate wolvishness.

[Glirdan]

Yay!! It's time to hunt for the Wolvsies and have some tea!! Speaking of tea...Sally would you be so kind as to move your furry little behind into a different pot? That's my homemade blueberry pie with raisins tea you're sleeping in....

[Loslote]

"I'm gonna tell you a story
That you've probably heard
And at the risk of being redundant
I'm gonna tell you something
That may not thrill you
But it sure could hurt
Well it comes out of the sacred
Writing of Lewis Carroll
It's the story of Werewolves
And how they slew Vanilwa

Well now the wolves of this country
They didn't leave her alone
And so to Wilwa's alarm
They tried to kill her overNight
But Wilwa took off running
The wolves couldn't keep up
So they waited by the river
Where they dug a big old pit
I guess it's safe to say she never
Made it home that Night
Made it home that Night

What trouble are werewolves?
What's wrong with being good?
The bolder they come
You know the harder they fall
When you're fighting with Lottie
And you're on the right side
Well I think you're gonna find
They ain't no trouble at all (Trouble at all)
No trouble at all
No trouble at all
No trouble

Now there must have been some laughter
Among the Werewolves
At the sight of this ragamuffin band
Coming out to lynch the scary-making mutation of a man
Who was a killing machine
But it didn't shake Lottie
'Cause she was silly enough to think
It's more the size of the font you vote in
Than the size of your foe

What trouble are werewolves?
What's wrong with being good?
The bolder they come
You know the harder they fall
When you're fighting with Lottie
And you're on the right side
Well I think you're gonna find
They ain't no trouble at all

What trouble are werewolves?
What's wrong with being silly?
The subtler they come
You know the harder they lynch
When you're fighting for the good guys
And you're on Wilwa's side
Well I think you're gonna find
They ain't no trouble at all

What trouble are werewolves?
What's wrong with being good?
The bolder they come
You know the harder they fall
When you're fighting with Lottie
And you're on the right side
Well I think you're gonna find
They ain't no trouble at all

What trouble are werewolves?
What's wrong with being silly?
The subtler they come
You know the harder they lynch
When you're fighting for the good guys
And you're on Wilwa's side
Well I think you're gonna find
They ain't no trouble at all

Trouble at all
No trouble at all
No trouble
(Hey) No trouble
No, No trouble
(Hey)
(Hey)"

[Nienna]

Hmmmmm. I'm quite intrigued. I'm not really sure what to think yet but Ms. Duchess!Lottie has my mind churning.

[Mirandir]

*scrambles in and breaks multiple pieces of delicate chinawear in the process* Oh heeeeeey! Not like I just realized Day started or anything crazy like that... Glirdan, may I have some of that blueberry whatever please darling? Looooves.

[Inziladun]

Yes indeed. The Duchess is one to keep an eye on. I don't trust people who make songs. Not at all. Songs make my forehead ache. Anyone who has time to make songs has time to make mischief. Has anyone seen my Queen? Off playing croquet again I suppose. At this rate we'll be out of hedgehogs by Sunday. We keep losing them.
What were we talking about? Songs? Why do songs make noise anyway? Why can't they be quiet? Can't you have a song without music or singing?
I'm going to find some tarts. Not that I know what's in them.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++LOTTIE

[Mirandir]

What a smashing entrance. *approves*

[Nienna]

... Fea Fea Fea...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

How iiiiinteresting. Iiiiii plan on elongatiiiiing all my "iiiii"s as that fiiiiiits my knaviiiiish character. *snerk*

For the fiiiiirst day, at least.

[satansaloser2005]

Yay!! It's time to hunt for the Wolvsies and have some tea!! Speaking of tea...Sally would you be so kind as to move your furry little behind into a different pot? That's my homemade blueberry pie with raisins tea you're sleeping in....

He's making a joking accusation right there. Do you see it? DO YOU SEE IT?!?! 'Furry little behind' my furry little behind. I've got my beady little eyes on you. Oh, and my furry little behind is quite comfortable where it is, thanks. *settles in, drinks herself silly*

*scrambles in and breaks multiple pieces of delicate chinawear in the process* Oh heeeeeey! Not like I just realized Day started or anything crazy like that... Glirdan, may I have some of that blueberry whatever please darling? Looooves.

Ah, the poor dear. Such a klutz. OI, I'M IN THIS POT! BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to find some tarts. Not that I know what's in them.

:eek:


All in all I think we've a nutty bunch here. Oooo, I do love nuts. They're good, and....and good....good....good....

OUCH! WHO PINCHED ME?!?!


EDIT: x'd since Dun. And ow. My bum still hurts.

[Nerwen]

He's making a joking accusation right there. Do you see it? DO YOU SEE IT?!?! 'Furry little behind' my furry little behind. I've got my beady little eyes on you.


Oh, and my furry little behind is quite comfortable where it is, thanks. *settles in, drinks herself silly*



Ah, the poor dear. Such a klutz. OI, I'M IN THIS POT! BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!



:eek:


All in all I think we've a nutty bunch here. Oooo, I do love nuts. They're good, and....and good....good....good....

OUCH! WHO PINCHED ME?!?!


EDIT: x'd since Dun. And ow. My bum still hurts.

*ruffles feathers*

As our good Dormouse is clearly suffering from a severe shortage of slumber– whether due to a guilty conscience remains to be seen– and as her fur is no doubt soaked from contact with liquid beverages– I move that we attempt to remedy both situations simultaneously via a recitation of the further adventures of Edwin and Morcar, the Earls of Mercia and Northumbria.

All in favour say "Aye"!

I further move that the matter of Fea, otherwise Her Majesty the Red Queen, be brought into consideration, with especial regard to her motive, or apparent lack thereof, in voting for Lottie, otherwise the Duchess.

Accordingly, I commend the motion to the assembled party.

[Glirdan]

OI, I'M IN THIS POT! BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!

I asked you to move, can't say I didn't....Sheez....Doormice...always so stubborn...

As for YOU Ms. Mira March Hare, I do believe you owe me an unbirthday present!! Yours is the tea by the way....If Sally ever decides to move that is.....And please be careful of the china!! I had to solve an extremely difficult riddle that Tweedledum set for me, made all the more difficult as Tweedledee was not there to put in his half of the riddle!

Oh, and Mira, I'm not so sure I agree with you that Fea's entrance was "smashing". YOUR entrance was smashing *looks at broken teacups in slight dismay*. Hers was rather...well...very royal like.....All up in everyone's business without saying anything. The polite thing to do would have to AT LEAST have sat down for a cup of my steeped tea (by the by Sally, I used some of your hair for that tea, hope you don't mind....I cut a slight clump off whilst you were sleeping in the pumpkin seed tea pot...).

As for all this Lottie nonsense....Well, I very much like singing. So I don't see anything THAT particular with her currently....but if she so much as touches my top hat.....

Oh, and Shasta Knave, I hear you don't get fed properly over at that castle....Would you like some tea?? Although take it to go, I don't know how well I'll be able to stand your elongations of the I's.....

Toodles for now, I must be off to get some more horse radish for my horse radish and beets tea!

Xed with Nerwen

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Tea, gloriiiiiiious tea! I'd love a slice - I mean a bit - I mean a side - I mean a cup! Yes, yes, that's what I mean.

(And the vote of the Red Queen still bothers me.)

[Loslote]

Yes indeed. The Duchess is one to keep an eye on. I don't trust people who make songs. Not at all. Songs make my forehead ache. Anyone who has time to make songs has time to make mischief. Has anyone seen my Queen? Off playing croquet again I suppose. At this rate we'll be out of hedgehogs by Sunday. We keep losing them.
What were we talking about? Songs? Why do songs make noise anyway? Why can't they be quiet? Can't you have a song without music or singing?
I'm going to find some tarts. Not that I know what's in them.

I don't sing my songs, if it helps. I sneeze them in direct contradiction of canon, 'cause I'm just awesome like that.

As for all this Lottie nonsense....Well, I very much like singing. So I don't see anything THAT particular with her currently....but if she so much as touches my top hat.....

*touches your top hat* :Merisu:

(And the vote of the Red Queen still bothers me.)

I, as well, am rather bothered. You can tell - I'm yawning less frequently.

[Brinniel]

Ah, so I see it's been mostly banter so far, though it seems we're beginning to head toward a more productive path. It's not that I mind banter (unless it continues for half the Day), but with my limited schedule, I just don't have time to read it. So if anyone plans on placing serious comments within their song parodies, you probably should give a heads up if you want me to see it..

So far we have a Fea making a very Fea-ish vote. Since this kind of behaviour isn't unusual from her, it doesn't concern me terribly....though I do agree with the others that an explanation would be nice.

I don't have much else worthy of saying at the moment, and I really should be going to bed, so that's all for now. I'll make some more brief appearances during the Day and do my best to stay caught up. Until later.

[wintywinty]

Tweedledum dislikes Tweedledee, his name sounds too much like me.
++Tweedledee

[satansaloser2005]

*jerks awake*

STOP BLOODY VOTING FOR PEOPLE WITH NO REASON!

Erm....hello. When did you all get here? And would you like some tea? Some....some tea....



*slumbers once more*


ETA: An introduction. *waves* Hello there, winty. I'm Sally. Nice to meet you, blah blah I really shouldn't have edited this in but felt the need to say 'hello' properly so there it is. :)

ETA #2: Also, winty dear, your vote should technically be placed on a separate line. Just so Wilwa's head doesn't explode.

[Loslote]

Seriousity? I can sort of comply. Sort of. :p

LIST!!!! Bwahaha.

Fea: clearly evil, as she voted for me, the epitome of wonderfulness. :Merisu:

Sally: clearly evil because she shed fur in Glirdy's tea.

Glirdy: clearly evil because he let Sally shed in his tea.

Zil: clearly evil as he does not have his Queen with him.

Agan: clearly evil as she is not with her King right now.

Shasta: clearly evil as he is dragging out his iiiiiiis.

Brinn: clearly evil as she does not have much time, just like she warned us.

Mira: clearly evil for breaking china.

Nerwen: clearly evil because she made my head hurt with Big Words and 'cause she's horrible when she's evil.

Nienna: clearly evil for...I don't know really, she actually looks evil, just on gut reaction. :eek:

Skip and Winty: clearly evil for not having played before.

And then others: clearly evil for not doing anything to make me notice them.

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Alright, defend yourself!

EDIT: xed with Wint and Sally

[Loslote]

Tweedledum dislikes Tweedledee, his name sounds too much like me.

Heh. *pets you*

*jerks awake*

STOP BLOODY VOTING FOR PEOPLE WITH NO REASON!

Erm....hello. When did you all get here? And would you like some tea? Some....some tea....

*agrees about the voting thing*

*although is seriously contemplating voting Nienna for making so much *sense**. :mad:;)

[Brinniel]

Umm, do votes for character names as opposed to player names count?

If that's meant to be a serious vote, then we're going to have a problem here. Because silly random throwaway votes based on banter that are cast within the first hours will get us nowhere. I hate Day Ones, but we can make them productive if we choose for them to be. Behaviour like this will just end up wasting the Day. Fea does not have to be a trendsetter!

[wintywinty]

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.


-and Hello to you to Satansaloser2005 :)

[Loslote]

Fea does not have to be a trendsetter!

Fea does have to be a trendsetter. There is no question about that. ;)

[Loslote]

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.


-and Hello to you to Satansaloser2005 :)

...is it just me, or does New Guy Wint remind you of Formy? Just sayin'...;)

[skip spence]

Pops in for few moments...

Hard to make out much at this point, is is not?

Winty could be a Bob Dylan-fan though, whatever that signifies.

Tweedle-dee Dee is a lowdown, sorry old man
Tweedle-dee Dum, he’ll stab you where you stand
“I’ve had too much of your company,”
Says Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee Dee

Tweedledum dislikes Tweedledee, his name sounds too much like me.
++Tweedledee

[A Little Green]

*falls from horse*

Did the rules say we have to play mad instead of just having a WW game in a mad setting? :eek: Seriously, this is one of the oddest Day 1 beginnings I have ever seen. I dislike the votes so far, though that isn't to say anything on whether they are necessarily signs of wolvery or not.

My contribution toDay will be pretty much horrible - this is the worst possible day for me to be playing Werewolf - but I promise to be much more active in the Days to come! I've got to dash, but I'll return later. Try to be sensible, meanwhile. (It's easy for me to say, of course, given that I won't be around for most of toDay.. :rolleyes: )

[satansaloser2005]

*glances up*

Who are all you strange people? There's some young woman all in green and a little man skipping over the fence....pence....sense....



(I don't like the voting either. Rubbish, I say, rubbish. I'm very confused.)

[Nerwen]

Nerwen: clearly evil because she made my head hurt with Big Words and 'cause she's horrible when she's evil.

I motion that Your Grace take into consideration the fact that my sesquipedalian loquaciousness is exemplary of the practice popularly known as "role-playing" or "IC-posting". As Your Grace is aware, such "role-playing" is customary in one's preliminary post, and may also be continued in posts of a subsequent nature; however, in deference to Your Grace's wishes, I will undertake to suspend it on the present occasion.

(Also, it takes so darned long to say anything this way.)

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

Anyway, Mr Tweedledum, let me tell you that voting completely randomly is not well thought of, even on Day One.




*Sorry, but that name's just asking for the "Nerwen Treatment".;)

EDIT:X'd with Greenie and Sally.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

Ms. GreenWhite Knight you can't help this being the oddest Day, we're all odd here... and you're too, or you wouldn't have come here. And what's this thing being all green and white at the same time anyway, if not odd?

And Mr. HumptySkipDumpty, it may be hard to make out much at this point, but the point is in the direction you wish to make it, isn't it not?

We'll get somewhere, we're sure to do that, whoever we lynch toDay. And after lynching long enough... the time will tell who wished for which direction, does it not?

One more thing. I'm relatively uneasy with LottieDuchesses' poetry - like it seems our FeaQueen is, whatever her alignment is or whether I approve of her methods of showing that. For the Duchess surely goes into that infamous mode of "no bad person, even insane one, would do that kind of a thing" - like screaming "Go wolves!" on D1... :rolleyes:

You'll see me at the croquet match later.

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Thinlómien]

Hjckrrh!

(and that's as much IC as I will go toDay, I'm sorry ;))

So, what do we got?

Greenie's entrance post pretty much summed up my thoughts ("Did the rules say we have to play mad instead of just having a WW game in a mad setting?") but she didn't even try to do anything useful with the little time she had.

The others? Uhh...

Fea and ww (wouldn't that be a good nickname? ;)) made weird votes. I bet I know why Fea made her vote like that but I it's more fruitful to let you speculate than tell the right answer right now. Winty's vote is weirder, but we shouldn't judge a newcomer so harshly. Maybe s/he is not very acquainted with our way of playing this game - voting late in the Day and having serious discussion before it, not voting randomly in the beginning of the Day. Besides, Fea was showing bad example. :p

Lottie and Glirdan are a bit too excited about IC posting, but I don't think it makes them necessarily guilty.

Nienna's jumping on Lottie seems more sinister though, it seems ill-reasoned and opportunistic. Zil is the same, unless he's sarcastic...? Lottie herself doesn't take Fea's vote too seriously which speaks to me in her favour (unless Lottie and Fea are wolves together).

Nerwen and Shasta seem ok, and I have no read on Mira or Sally yet (too much banter) nor on Skip or Brinn (too little material).

Looking forward to more discussion...


edit: xed with scary grinning Nogrod

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

'Twas brilig, and the votling wustle
did mulsomingly pestiply,
not only fungoltch lamless parsle
but unpremining detrimy.

Beware the Jabberwock, my foes,
or friends who speak of "Day 1 noes"
when uffish Nogrod Borogrows
...all of you could be voted out.

In other words, I know certain members of the royal birth among us feel their right to checkmate from the start, I also know some of the newcomers to this party might be under the false impression that Day 1s are nothing to go with, but enough is enough and we should quickly stop it.

Just for the record of those who do not know, there is *plentiful* to go on with even on Day 1 - if you save your vote for later in the Day, that is, as by that time you can gather enoug hinformation, at least to help you decide whom you nightlike and whom you dislynch.

Because it is also easy for the Wolves to hide among random votes, if everybody made them, and also, I wonder as to whether a Cobbler would not give her or his presence away by making some stupid move... like voting randomly. Or something. Ahem.

EDIT: crossposted with the predicted Nogromiening pair.

[skip spence]

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

Okay, as a fellow newbie I'm thinking aloud here. There are 5 baddies (4 wolfs and a cobbler) and 15 innocents, right?

So, for an innocent, what are the chances of a completely random vote striking home? 5/19 or 26 % And the odds for collateral damage, as the US army so evasively expresses it, are subsequently 74 %. Unplayable odds, those. Of course, there's a good chance that any vote at this stage may prove meaningless but nevertheless:

A seemingly random vote makes much more immediate sense for a wolf, does it not? An innocent person getting lynched is no problem for a wolf, and a wolf may even vote for a fellow wolf to avoid suspicions later on. Chances are that the wolf-mate won't get lynched anyhow.

[Aganzir]

YYYYEEEHAAAA!

Because I don't know pretty much anything about the books, I'm going to be sensible/boring (depends on your point of view) and not even try to post in character (except for the next few sentences).

Okay things in the order in which they occurred to me.

I am your Queen and it's my business to order executions. You are not allowed to hurt me.
In other words, I am going to be mad if somebody kills me during the first few days/nights because I haven't played in a year and it's going to be long till I have time to play again. But this is just my personal opinion.

Just thought to tell you that I spent the Night walking around Helsinki dressed as a wolf because a friend wanted me to play one for her Little Red Riding Hood art project. :p

I always wonder why, if the mod starts a day early, they allow the wolves to PM at the same time that the village can talk. I would so want to seize the opportunity to do something silly with my fellows if I was in that situation.

Hahaha Fea.

(And the vote of the Red Queen still bothers me.)
Hey Shasta why does Fea's vote bother you? And why do you say 'still' when that's the first time you say it?

Brinn seems to be her normal self (ie she slightly rubs me the wrong way). But yeah she speaks sense, unlike most of the others.

By the way winty, we shouldn't edit our posts except to mark cross-posting. And it's true there are no reasons for votes yet, but that's why we're talking. Sooner or later somebody says or does something suspicious. Of course it helps if we have some corpses whose relations to living players we can observe, but first we need to get going.

Agan: clearly evil as she is not with her King right now.
No it doesn't make me evil, it only makes me unfaithful. ;)

Yippee Greenie's tone strikes me as overly self-conscious! Nothing has indeed changed during my absence! :-D

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.
Usually when a newbie wolf enters the pack the older team members tell them to look just as new and ignorant and confused as they normally would and not to give away the slightest hint that they have received nightly counsel. And you have been a wolf enough times to know this is true. Or are you speculating about what you did last night? ;)
What exactly made you draw attention to winty after two posts? It looks like a Nerwolf looking for an easy lynch.

Because it is also easy for the Wolves to hide among random votes, if everybody made them, and also, I wonder as to whether a Cobbler would not give her or his presence away by making some stupid move... like voting randomly. Or something. Ahem.
Ahem what? Are you perchance giving advice to somebody?

The seer should keep in mind that they can't trust their dreams 100% because the cobbler appears as innocent. Last time I played in a game where the seer couldn't discern the cobbler's true identity, we wolves totally used it to our advantage and left him alive although he was supposedly a known innocent, and in the end we won because we could control his vote... Ah fond memories! But yeah that's why I think the cobbler should be killed as soon as possible (ie if the seer says 'X is an ordo' but we think 'X is damn suspicious' => lynch X), I've played in too many a game (three readily spring to mind) where people have said, 'Let's go for the most wolfish-looking person, we can deal with the cobbler later.' Well, when there are fewer and fewer people left, nobody wants to 'waste' a lynch on the cobbler and ta-da, soon the cobbler plays a crucial role in the evil victory.
Also, if the Cursed is turned (and the risk exists until they die and we see they were the Cursed), it practically destroys the seer's known innocent list.
I am saying this now as I've said this before, because it's better if the seer isn't sure than if the seer is too sure and wrong.

A seemingly random vote makes much more immediate sense for a wolf, does it not? An innocent person getting lynched is no problem for a wolf, and a wolf may even vote for a fellow wolf to avoid suspicions later on. Chances are that the wolf-mate won't get lynched anyhow.
In a way yeah, but because people don't like random votes, it's likely they'd demand the said random-voters head on a platter for it.
Basically a wolf can vote in any way whatsoever, and playing a major role in the lynching of a wolf doesn't redeem anybody because wolves might as well sacrifice one for the pack to make the rest look good.

Okay I'm going to be here for, hmm, half an hour before I have to go.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sumpling up to now.

'Twas brilig, and the Glirding Mirhares
have unstarted with nopoeham,
and Inzy were their simifroshares
no clue of either one of them.

Nienna didn't say much either, but at least seemed to be "concerned". Maybe. The same could be said of Shasta. Let me also note that sally looks all of a sudden far more reasonably behaving than usually in this company... ;) (no offense)

wintywinty... well. I have said it basically above. As a newbie in any case, gets my benefit of doubt toDay, not going to lynch a newbie on Day 1... otherwise looking for more to know about him (her?)

I have no idea about what Fea wanted to accomplish, if it wasn't supposed to be in-character, so I just expect that when she shows up, she will give some explanation, if there is any.

'Twas Brinig... I wonder, not anything suspicious this far, her reaction to the votes (esp. the second one) maybe a bit too "reserved", but okay.

I am slightly at Lossloss, however I hope that as the posting continues, there will be higher frequasonable posts from her, which will help me to make a crilighter idmaginature of her.

Nerwenising Dodo, more or less Nerweanosable, which includes both typical Nerwenish behavior and being reasonable and being slightly nosy ;)

Whittlegright, not suspicious now, yet she might easily be rading (yes, I mean as in "rade under the slipper" :rolleyes: );

Juckprising Nogrin did catter much more and was much less - to my gasperate scaspation - Fearied about the winting votes;

thineasy fealing, seems to or wants to seem to know something more about Fea's vote than other people do (or at least more than I do) and even finds Lottie innocent on the basis of that, I would be much interested to know what it is, then. I can think of only one theory right now and if that's what she thinks, it's utter rubbish. Also the *jump* on Greenie felt sort of weird and, how would I say that, unnecessary. In any case, unexpected.

spencible, although a newbie Wolf who had just been instructed at Night might just as well have said the same.

So that's it in shrot.

EDIT: Aganixed.

[Thinlómien]

thineasy fealing, seems to or wants to seem to know something more about Fea's vote than other people do (or at least more than I do)Anyone who has played with her before in games which have a certain rule (which this game has) should be able to read her behaviour as well as I do. Provided that I'm correct, of course...

[Morsul the Dark]

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Other than that have 3 minutes till I leave for work won't get much done today I'll be on for an hour later at which point I'll have to vote.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ahem what? Are you perchance giving advice to somebody?
No, it's *ahem* like underlining what I have just said (and saying that we have certain people who might have done exactly that with their votes, if there was somebody who didn't understand it from my post).

The seer should keep in mind that they can't trust their dreams 100% because the cobbler appears as innocent. Last time I played in a game where the seer couldn't discern the cobbler's true identity, we wolves totally used it to our advantage and left him alive although he was supposedly a known innocent, and in the end we won because we could control his vote... Ah fond memories! But yeah that's why I think the cobbler should be killed as soon as possible (ie if the seer says 'X is an ordo' but we think 'X is damn suspicious' => lynch X), I've played in too many a game (three readily spring to mind) where people have said, 'Let's go for the most wolfish-looking person, we can deal with the cobbler later.' Well, when there are fewer and fewer people left, nobody wants to 'waste' a lynch on the cobbler and ta-da, soon the cobbler plays a crucial role in the evil victory.
This however is just good point, so I only hope you are not a Wolf, but this far I don't have a reason to think so (so I hope you really are not :) ). Although when it comes to Cobblers, I am personally more of the type to leave them live at least for a while if we have better targets. But I can imagine such scenario as you have drawn it (I don't think I was in that game), the problem is of course that we are not going to know at all that somebody is a Cobbler before they die. But yes, why not in other words, let's just lynch whoever we think is evil and even if we think it might be a Cobbler, let's go for it, no harm done.

edit: x-ed with Lommy and Morsul

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Anyone who has played with her before in games which have a certain rule (which this game has) should be able to read her behaviour as well as I do. Provided that I'm correct, of course...

Ah, okay. Now I see (probably), whatever.

I'll be probably going now and back in... some hours. Rather later, I think, but still quite some time before the DL (of course before the DL, given that it's some 5AM my time).

[Nerwen]

Usually when a newbie wolf enters the pack the older team members tell them to look just as new and ignorant and confused as they normally would and not to give away the slightest hint that they have received nightly counsel. And you have been a wolf enough times to know this is true.

It's what I did last time I had wolf-cubs to deal with– but you have been a wolf enough times to know wolf-tactics tend to run in cycles– take wolf-on-wolf voting, for example. Anyway, we're still left with the "newbie or newbie wolf?" problem.

By the way, Agan, are you then considering skip cleared (or semi-cleared) because he seems to have a better handle on things?

What exactly made you draw attention to winty after two posts? It looks like a Nerwolf looking for an easy lynch.

His random vote, obviously. And actually, that looks a lot more like an Aganwolf looking for an easy lynch. I remark on one of the few noteworthy things that had happened– and you call it suspicious? Why?

Last time I played in a game where the seer couldn't discern the cobbler's true identity, we wolves totally used it to our advantage and left him alive although he was supposedly a known innocent, and in the end we won because we could control his vote... Ah fond memories!

That they are, Mr Aggins.:smokin:

I've played in too many a game (three readily spring to mind) where people have said, 'Let's go for the most wolfish-looking person, we can deal with the cobbler later.' Well, when there are fewer and fewer people left, nobody wants to 'waste' a lynch on the cobbler and ta-da, soon the cobbler plays a crucial role in the evil victory.

Not to mention the various times wolves have got by pretending to be the cobbler. However, I believe you'll find that since you last played people have become less likely to baulk at lynching the cobbler. But you don't really mean we shouldn't go for the most wolfish person, do you?

EDIT:X'd with three Jabberwocks, the Gryphon and the Mock Turtle.

[Thinlómien]

Last time I played in a game where the seer couldn't discern the cobbler's true identity, we wolves totally used it to our advantage and left him alive although he was supposedly a known innocent, and in the end we won because we could control his vote... Ah fond memories!
That they are, Mr Aggins.I so wish I hadn't dreamt of him at all... :rolleyes:

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.That's slightly too kneejerk logic to my taste. I don't see it as a good tactics for any wolf to just randomly vote an innocent and then apologise afterwards, because thatkind of behaviour makes 90% of the village raise their eyebrows.

PS. I wouldn't be actually surprised if Loslote turned out to be the cobbler.

[Inziladun]

I don't sing my songs, if it helps. I sneeze them in direct contradiction of canon, 'cause I'm just awesome like that.

Well, that's all right then. Sneezing I approve of.

Tweedledum dislikes Tweedledee, his name sounds too much like me.
++Tweedledee

Very enigmatic. I'm considering the possibility this was a move by a new player who saw Fea's shot in the dark, and thought it appropriate to act accordingly. Or, since the character name, and not the player name was used, maybe it was meant as a joke.
At any rate, newbies generally out to be safe from Day 1 lynches, I think. But ww- don't keep acting suspicious, or I'll have you executed on the spot! ;)

Umm, do votes for character names as opposed to player names count?

If that's meant to be a serious vote, then we're going to have a problem here. Because silly random throwaway votes based on banter that are cast within the first hours will get us nowhere. I hate Day Ones, but we can make them productive if we choose for them to be. Behaviour like this will just end up wasting the Day. Fea does not have to be a trendsetter!

Do votes for character names count? I'd be inclined to think no, but that's for our good moddess to clarify.

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

I'm sure someone else has brought this up, but Day 1 votes don't have to be completely random. Especially if you wait as long as possible to vote!

A seemingly random vote makes much more immediate sense for a wolf, does it not? An innocent person getting lynched is no problem for a wolf, and a wolf may even vote for a fellow wolf to avoid suspicions later on. Chances are that the wolf-mate won't get lynched anyhow.

Sometimes those wolf-on-wolf votes can backfire though, eh Boropillar? :p

I am your Queen and it's my business to order executions. You are not allowed to hurt me.

Ah, My Dear! Most excellent to see you! Don't behead them all though.

What exactly made you draw attention to winty after two posts? It looks like a Nerwolf looking for an easy lynch.

I didn't see it that way. That vote should receive some scrutiny, and I don't think she was overly eager about suspecting ww.

Well, when there are fewer and fewer people left, nobody wants to 'waste' a lynch on the cobbler and ta-da, soon the cobbler plays a crucial role in the evil victory.

I'm of the mind that you generally ought to go after whoever looks suspicious, and if we nail the Cobbler, well, at least they were someone who was against us.

Basically a wolf can vote in any way whatsoever, and playing a major role in the lynching of a wolf doesn't redeem anybody because wolves might as well sacrifice one for the pack to make the rest look good.

Voting for wolves doesn't totally clear anyone, but still, indications of guilt or innocence can be gleaned from the timing.

x'd with Lommy

[wilwarin538]

Umm, do votes for character names as opposed to player names count?


Yeah, sure they do.


Did the rules say we have to play mad instead of just having a WW game in a mad setting?


No, but it sure is amusing me. :D

'Twas brilig, and the votling wustle
did mulsomingly pestiply,
not only fungoltch lamless parsle
but unpremining detrimy.

Beware the Jabberwock, my foes,
or friends who speak of "Day 1 noes"
when uffish Nogrod Borogrows
...all of you could be voted out.


*is rediculously happy I made you the Jabberwocky*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea does not have to be a trendsetter!

But We're so stylish!

Fea does have to be a trendsetter. There is no question about that. ;)

Ah, Our retinue concurs.

[Mirandir]

My my, this is much more entertaining than making Powerpoints... :D

Mira: clearly evil for breaking china.

If breaking china makes me evil, I don't want to be good! :p

Anyway, on a more serious note, I don't think that Fea's vote is all that suspicious. It is fairly common knowledge that reading poems and song parodies (as entertaining as they can be) can be a pain. I for one skip over them whenever they appear. And our dear Red Queen does have quite the temper...

wintywinty's vote is more suspicious. I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake. People do tend to follow Fea for no reason. :rolleyes:

[skip spence]

Anyone who has played with her before in games which have a certain rule (which this game has) should be able to read her behaviour as well as I do. Provided that I'm correct, of course...
Okay then, seeing how this is a game where inspiring trust is favourable, will you let us in on your inside knowledge here? What exactly in the rules of this particular game is it that would make Fea come out and vote so hastily and, as it may seem, randomly? And what does this signify? And why vote for Lottie, of all people?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A very merry unbiiiiiiirthday to all you lovely creatures and personages of good repute!

(In other words, here and reading. :p)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Regarding the Jabberwocky's throat-clearing as pointed out by our dear Queen of Hearts (I'm working backwards, sue me), combined with the Dodo's questioning of our resident newbie's vote - it seems to me that our dear Queen of Hearts is awfully lynch-happy. I won't vote for her today (that would be such a welcome, wouldn't it?) but I'm keeping it in mind.

(Also I stole her tarts, I'd hate to get on her bad side so early.)

Our Gryphon is being particularly mysterious, which has me going "curiouser and curiouser".

To the Queen of Hearts - I mentioned the Red Queen's vote once before the quote of mine you mention - when I said "How iiiiinteresting" in my first post. ;)

Holy oysters, Batman! The Gryphon thinks I look "ok" on Day 1? Clearly I must be evil. :p

The Cheshire Cat's grin creeps me out a bit. I think I need another tart to bolster my fading nerves.

The Dodo gets a pass today simply for the words "sesquipidalian loquaciousness". Made my day, that did. :p

On a slightly more serious note (serious? We're all mad here!) the Duchess strikes me as posting a lot of fluff and not a lot of content, which doesn't remind me of an innocent incarnation of said Duchess. But it is Day 1, and we are all quite mad... Anywhoo.

KING OF HEARTS DON'T YOU TOUCH MY TARTS THEY'RE MIIIIINE I STOLE THEM FAIR AND SQUARE I mean um.

[Thinlómien]

Okay then, seeing how this is a game where inspiring trust is favourable, will you let us in on your inside knowledge here? What exactly in the rules of this particular game is it that would make Fea come out and vote so hastily and, as it may seem, randomly? And what does this signify? And why vote for Lottie, of all people?Well, since you ask so nicely, min svenska vän. :D And besides since quite a lot of people have already remarked on it, we can maybe stop fishing reactions. My key to Fea's behaviour is simple: she wants to use her retraction as soon as possible because she dislikes retractable votes. Do I get points/cookies now, Fea? Sometime ago there was another game which had this "one retraction per game" rule and she used hers totally randomly in the beginning of Day1, caused a lot of discussion and then came back later, explained, retracted and revoted and was happy to be rid of the retractable vote. So that's why I heavily suspect that's the case again.

Why vote Lottie, then? That's what I don't know. Maybe it was totally random. Or maybe Fea wanted to see who'd jump on her suspicion or maybe she thought there was something slightly odd with Lottie and wanted to test her reaction. If you want a definite answer, ask Fea, not me...

Holy oysters, Batman! The Gryphon thinks I look "ok" on Day 1? Clearly I must be evil.Yes! :eek: :p

[wintywinty]

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

His random vote, obviously. And actually, that looks a lot more like an Aganwolf looking for an easy lynch. I remark on one of the few noteworthy things that had happened– and you call it suspicious? Why?
I hope for the sake of the whole village that this is not a wolf-on-wolf suspicion :eek::rolleyes:

Do votes for character names count? I'd be inclined to think no, but that's for our good moddess to clarify.
Okay, so our Moddess has already clarified that they do, but just a remark to this - maybe anyway for the sake of clarity, it would be better to use votes with people's names so as to make the orientation easier (well, we can look it up if we don't remember the particular person, but it also lowers the risk of casting a mistaken vote for Knight instead of Knave or whatnot). In any case, if people don't want their votes to count, then I would kindly ask people not to use them, or if so, then at least not highlight them, as that totally ruins the point and makes a mess out of the situation. But anyway, I assume that ww's vote was supposed to be "real". But just theoretically technical remark.

Sometimes those wolf-on-wolf votes can backfire though, eh Boropillar?
That name sounds just awesome :D I could start using it...


I didn't see it that way. That vote should receive some scrutiny, and I don't think she was overly eager about suspecting ww.
In general I agree with the remark, just seems to me however that Inzil just mentions it, but does not contribute much own thoughts on the Fea-issue himself, even though he thinks it "should" (emphasised) receive some scrutiny. Inzil doesn't seem to be very elaborative in any matter, however. The question however might be why is that. He's rather more... "quiet" than usually.

*is rediculously happy I made you the Jabberwocky*

Ah, but it was my pleasure!

Anyway, on a more serious note, I don't think that Fea's vote is all that suspicious. It is fairly common knowledge that reading poems and song parodies (as entertaining as they can be) can be a pain. I for one skip over them whenever they appear. And our dear Red Queen does have quite the temper...

wintywinty's vote is more suspicious. I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake. People do tend to follow Fea for no reason.

This seems a bit curious to me, as it's basically measuring two people with a different metre, whereas the difference is not that big. Or, there is a difference, Fea was first, yes, but still - this is outright defending the Red Queen on quite clearly defined grounds (explaining her psychological processes), which do not necessarily need to be "the" true reasons, as Fea didn't this far give any explanation on her own... Whatever, just remarking, I find this behavior just somewhat strange.

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy (okay that was the explanation I thought you meant) and WW (okay that is not an explanation in my book, even though in some other book it might be)

[Aganzir]

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.
Even if you don't understand why somebody does something, it doesn't make it silly. And what does it matter if they 'waste' their retractable votes early on? After all it's the wolves who benefit the most from them, and if everybody used theirs at once, we would eliminate the risk of wolf-organised lynches later.
I don't claim Fea's or winty's vote make them innocent, but Morsul is awfully quick to jump on them with flimsy reasoning.

Using the retractable votes quickly might be worth some discussion... Personally I would be happy with everybody using theirs as soon as possible. Innocents vote alone, but the wolves, having a way to communicate, can use their votes in a much broader scale. I seem to remember a game (phantom's last one, for those who know. In addition to their normal daily vote, every player had 10 extra votes they could use whenever they wished) where pretty much everybody else but the wolves used some of their votes during the first days. The wolves saved all or most of theirs for later and won because they could use their extra votes against the village all at once.
And when there is something like 6 people left, two of whom wolves, it does make a difference if the wolves can retract and the others cannot.

This however is just good point, so I only hope you are not a Wolf, but this far I don't have a reason to think so (so I hope you really are not
I was honestly expecting people would jump on my comment like 'You there are you trying to undermine the seer's authority and sow discord, you're a wolf!' so does the fact that you liked my point mean you're a wolf? :P

but you have been a wolf enough times to know wolf-tactics tend to run in cycles– take wolf-on-wolf voting, for example. Anyway, we're still left with the "newbie or newbie wolf?" problem.
Yeah but there are some things that remain pretty much the same from game to game, among them that newbie wolves should behave as if they had no pack backing them up. And I don't think the "newbie or newbie wolf" question is a problem yet - thus far it's just a question, but you're trying to make it a problem. So we lynch winty and she/he was an innocent, and what have we left? An easy lynch and nothing else.

By the way, Agan, are you then considering skip cleared (or semi-cleared) because he seems to have a better handle on things?
Mmh no, I fail to see a connection there. I think/thought you were talking about different things.

(Yay I had missed playing with you, too! <3)

His random vote, obviously. And actually, that looks a lot more like an Aganwolf looking for an easy lynch. I remark on one of the few noteworthy things that had happened– and you call it suspicious? Why?
Trust me, if I was looking for an easy day 1 lynch after a year's WW break, it would not be you. ;)
Yeah his vote was random, but he is a newbie and at least I am willing to forgive newbies for things I wouldn't forgive for example people like you on day 1. It's alright to remark on it, but I think you were pushing it a tad too hard. Making it a bigger issue than it really was.

However, I believe you'll find that since you last played people have become less likely to baulk at lynching the cobbler. But you don't really mean we shouldn't go for the most wolfish person, do you?
Okie dokie, I'm glad to hear that. And I mean we should go for the most suspicious person, regardless of whether we think they're a wolf or the cobbler. It's better to lynch we're-sure-she's-the-cobbler than we're-almost-sure-she's-a-wolf.

I so wish I hadn't dreamt of him at all...
*hugs* It was beautiful work. :P
(Sorry I'm just talking about previous games all the time!)

Oh and people when quoting a vote post, is there any chance you could take off the higlights? It's a bit disturbing, especially when we have to do quick vote counts.

Hey winty have you played werewolf before on other forums? If yes you'll come to find that Barrowdowns werewolf is slightly more in-depth (or so I am told) than most others.

I'm considering the possibility this was a move by a new player who saw Fea's shot in the dark, and thought it appropriate to act accordingly. Or, since the character name, and not the player name was used, maybe it was meant as a joke.
Thanks for saving my voice and speaking my thoughts aloud, dear husband. :p

I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake.
Your conclusion = it was suspicious? I see but a plus-minus-zero situation.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't remember who's playing which character, so it would be nice if people used the player names instead of/in addition to character names in their posts.

I mentioned the Red Queen's vote once before the quote of mine you mention - when I said "How iiiiinteresting" in my first post.
I had no way of knowing you were talking about it. :P

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle
Ah so was your vote then based on a nightly discussion with Brinn who said, 'Don't be too friendly towards me!'? :p

I hope for the sake of the whole village that this is not a wolf-on-wolf suspicion
I would be darn happy if it was, but alas it is not.

As some of you might be aware of, the deadline is 04.30 my time which means I'm going to vote in a couple of hours.

[Nienna]

Very quickly as I have to run and look at like 800 apartm-umm-Castles (and by 800 I really mean 12 but that is still a lot). I should hopefully be back before deadline.

So here are just some thoughts:

Lottie's first few posts were thought-provoking. I suspect her but not really any more than most people at this stage in the game.

Fea's just trying to provoke - for good or for bad I've yet to decide but I'm leaning more toward good at the moment.

The Finns seem to be making a rather lot of sense though I do need to go through and read clearer.

WinWin gets a Newbie pass for at least toDay. Many experienced players feel similarly about Day One's so that doesn't raise any of my suspicions.

I can't really match up people with their character name so it is a little confusing to read posts that mention characters but not their counterparts... The name combination are fine but I ask that when people are talking about a person and they want me to pay attention they should use SN and not character names. Thanks!

[Loslote]

One more thing. I'm relatively uneasy with LottieDuchesses' poetry - like it seems our FeaQueen is, whatever her alignment is or whether I approve of her methods of showing that. For the Duchess surely goes into that infamous mode of "no bad person, even insane one, would do that kind of a thing" - like screaming "Go wolves!" on D1...

Just so you know, I wrote those before I got my role.

PS. I wouldn't be actually surprised if Loslote turned out to be the cobbler.

I would! :eek:

And why vote for Lottie, of all people?

That's an easy one. I'm just so incredibly awesome, she had no choice! :Merisu:

Seriousity to follow.

EDIT: xed with Ni.

[Loslote]

Yay!! It's time to hunt for the Wolvsies and have some tea!! Speaking of tea...Sally would you be so kind as to move your furry little behind into a different pot? That's my homemade blueberry pie with raisins tea you're sleeping in....

Gut feeling: Wolfie. LET'S HUNT WOLVES!! W00T! <= wolfly behavior. No other reasons as of yet.

*scrambles in and breaks multiple pieces of delicate chinawear in the process* Oh heeeeeey! Not like I just realized Day started or anything crazy like that... Glirdan, may I have some of that blueberry whatever please darling? Looooves.

Gut feeling: *snuggles fun Mira who doesn't feel evil yet*

Yes indeed. The Duchess is one to keep an eye on. I don't trust people who make songs. Not at all. Songs make my forehead ache. Anyone who has time to make songs has time to make mischief. Has anyone seen my Queen? Off playing croquet again I suppose. At this rate we'll be out of hedgehogs by Sunday. We keep losing them.
What were we talking about? Songs? Why do songs make noise anyway? Why can't they be quiet? Can't you have a song without music or singing?
I'm going to find some tarts. Not that I know what's in them.

Gut feeling: Hmm. Zil doesn't seem wolfly yet...

[*highlight]++LOTTIE[/highlight*]

Gut feeling: Heh. This doesn't look too bad, really...

If that's meant to be a serious vote, then we're going to have a problem here. Because silly random throwaway votes based on banter that are cast within the first hours will get us nowhere. I hate Day Ones, but we can make them productive if we choose for them to be. Behaviour like this will just end up wasting the Day. Fea does not have to be a trendsetter!

Gut feeling: Brinn looks good.

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

Gut feeling: The *sigh* jumped out as a bit contrived, but the content looks clean.

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Other than that have 3 minutes till I leave for work won't get much done today I'll be on for an hour later at which point I'll have to vote.

Gut feeling: For once I don't suspect you, Morsul. I don't agree, but I don't think you're evil.

Well, that's all right then. Sneezing I approve of.

Very enigmatic. I'm considering the possibility this was a move by a new player who saw Fea's shot in the dark, and thought it appropriate to act accordingly. Or, since the character name, and not the player name was used, maybe it was meant as a joke.
At any rate, newbies generally out to be safe from Day 1 lynches, I think. But ww- don't keep acting suspicious, or I'll have you executed on the spot! ;)

Do votes for character names count? I'd be inclined to think no, but that's for our good moddess to clarify.

I'm sure someone else has brought this up, but Day 1 votes don't have to be completely random. Especially if you wait as long as possible to vote!

Sometimes those wolf-on-wolf votes can backfire though, eh Boropillar? :p

Ah, My Dear! Most excellent to see you! Don't behead them all though.

I didn't see it that way. That vote should receive some scrutiny, and I don't think she was overly eager about suspecting ww.

I'm of the mind that you generally ought to go after whoever looks suspicious, and if we nail the Cobbler, well, at least they were someone who was against us.

Voting for wolves doesn't totally clear anyone, but still, indications of guilt or innocence can be gleaned from the timing.

On further thought: Zil's a goodie, I think.

Regarding the Jabberwocky's throat-clearing as pointed out by our dear Queen of Hearts (I'm working backwards, sue me), combined with the Dodo's questioning of our resident newbie's vote - it seems to me that our dear Queen of Hearts is awfully lynch-happy. I won't vote for her today (that would be such a welcome, wouldn't it?) but I'm keeping it in mind.

(Also I stole her tarts, I'd hate to get on her bad side so early.)

Our Gryphon is being particularly mysterious, which has me going "curiouser and curiouser".

To the Queen of Hearts - I mentioned the Red Queen's vote once before the quote of mine you mention - when I said "How iiiiinteresting" in my first post.

Holy oysters, Batman! The Gryphon thinks I look "ok" on Day 1? Clearly I must be evil.

The Cheshire Cat's grin creeps me out a bit. I think I need another tart to bolster my fading nerves.

The Dodo gets a pass today simply for the words "sesquipidalian loquaciousness". Made my day, that did.

On a slightly more serious note (serious? We're all mad here!) the Duchess strikes me as posting a lot of fluff and not a lot of content, which doesn't remind me of an innocent incarnation of said Duchess. But it is Day 1, and we are all quite mad... Anywhoo.

KING OF HEARTS DON'T YOU TOUCH MY TARTS THEY'RE MIIIIINE I STOLE THEM FAIR AND SQUARE I mean um.

Gut feeling: Shasta's probably not evil, even if he doesn't remember that I'm silly early on in the Day. :p

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Further thoughts on Nerwen: I don't see where this idea of Nerwen being evil this game is really coming from; she seems decent to me.

[Loslote]

Yay!! It's time to hunt for the Wolvsies and have some tea!! Speaking of tea...Sally would you be so kind as to move your furry little behind into a different pot? That's my homemade blueberry pie with raisins tea you're sleeping in....

Already said that this jumps out as evil.

I asked you to move, can't say I didn't....Sheez....Doormice...always so stubborn...

As for YOU Ms. Mira March Hare, I do believe you owe me an unbirthday present!! Yours is the tea by the way....If Sally ever decides to move that is.....And please be careful of the china!! I had to solve an extremely difficult riddle that Tweedledum set for me, made all the more difficult as Tweedledee was not there to put in his half of the riddle!

Oh, and Mira, I'm not so sure I agree with you that Fea's entrance was "smashing". YOUR entrance was smashing *looks at broken teacups in slight dismay*. Hers was rather...well...very royal like.....All up in everyone's business without saying anything. The polite thing to do would have to AT LEAST have sat down for a cup of my steeped tea (by the by Sally, I used some of your hair for that tea, hope you don't mind....I cut a slight clump off whilst you were sleeping in the pumpkin seed tea pot...).

As for all this Lottie nonsense....Well, I very much like singing. So I don't see anything THAT particular with her currently....but if she so much as touches my top hat.....

Oh, and Shasta Knave, I hear you don't get fed properly over at that castle....Would you like some tea?? Although take it to go, I don't know how well I'll be able to stand your elongations of the I's.....

Toodles for now, I must be off to get some more horse radish for my horse radish and beets tea!

Xed with Nerwen

Now this is mostly banter with Mira, which raises the possibility of a Glirdy-Mira wolf partners...I doubt it, though. I think, if Glirdy's wolfly, then Mira's probably innocent...which, coincidentally, lines up with my impressions of her, as well. Also the Lottie song parody/Shasta tea thing seems to be sort of a "haha, don't vote me, I'm nice" buttering up sort of thing...although it might also be banter. Either way, not a particularly favorable impression - I dislike buttering up; I actually suspect suspicion of me far less than trust of me. I'm weird that way, I know. :p

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Non-Glirdy stuffs about newbies:

Well, I'm not going to vote either of them anyway, so I'm not putting that much effort into this. I'll look at them more closely later.

WW looks pretty normal, considering it's his first Day in his first Game. He's made sillies; everyone does. Let's see how he looks later when he's had a chance to get used to stuffs.

SS is doing really well - making sense, being logical, and seems to know what's what. Either he has packmates who are telling him how to act, or he's just read through enough games to know. I'm inclined to think it's the latter, because packmates would probably not encourage him to act so very well-adjusted to the game.

EDIT: Aw, man, I didn't cross with anyone. :(

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

I'm joining the crowd begging for "real names" to be used (there's no problem using the character names but please include the player-name as well). Shasta's post was basically unreadable.

I was honestly expecting people would jump on my comment like 'You there are you trying to undermine the seer's authority and sow discord, you're a wolf!'
I wouldn't have gone that far but it did look somewhat disconcerting to be honest - and I'm not so sure what to think of it. I mean basically you said that a) go for the cobbler, and b) don't trust people the seer says are innocent. Okay. There has been a lot of talk this way and that way about the chances of making a difference between a wolf and a cobbler (or neither of them with an ordo or a gifted, I might add) so it's basically a hypothetical scenario to get to "choose" between one or the other. But why would you say something like that in the first place if you were a wolf? Then again, why say something like that whatever your role? I mean it's hard to see that kind of problem being in any sense actual toDay. So you said it for the sake of saying it rather than trying to help us in something we should accomplish or we should avoid? So you're more concerned about your image then?

That vote should receive some scrutiny
How do you "scrutinise" winwin's vote? Some they think this is making a monutain out of a molehill (and it wouldn't be the first time I'm being accused of it :rolleyes:), but to me this is one of the most noteworthy comments as yet. Now why? Well, obvioulsy that is a comment totally devoid of any real meaning but it is something you might think looks good in a situation you have no intention to do what you say should be done (if you really thought of doing what you suggested you'd soon realise there isn't much to scrutinise there). So what I'm trying to say is that a wolf might make that kind of statement to look helpful but I can't see an innocent to say that.


Just so you know, I wrote those before I got my role.
Interesting. And what should that prove? It's not so much about when you wrote that piece of ambiguity, but what was your role when you decided it was a good way to start posting? :smokin:

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[A Little Green]

*falls from horse*
Back again! I'm feeling slightly hyper right now, so don't be annoyed if I'm not making much sense.. But here come some impressions of toDay.
wintywinty's vote is more suspicious. I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake. People do tend to follow Fea for no reason.I don't see Winty's vote as suspicious - nor innocent-looking, for that matter - it just is. Meaning that s/he (which is it, by the way?) could have done that just as well as a wolf as an innocent, and thus drawing conclusions on that seems weird to me. But then, everything here is weird.

Agan is lovely and provides a lot of substance (I'd raise my hat if I had one, unfortunately I only wear a helmet), I don't suspect her - but then, I always suspect her when she's innocent, so maybe she's a wolf now. Gah, I'm flip-flopping. Family vice. Sorry.

Lottie's analysis post was interesting, but I found the "gut feeling"-thing slightly eyebrow-raising. The so-called gut feelings were mostly reasoned points, so why call them gut feelings? It just struck me that calling a point a mere gut feeling kind of lessens the responsibility over it - one can, later, claim it was just a gut feeling, not my fault that we lynched an innocent, whoops.

Lommy is acting purposefully mysterious which strikes me as weird - she's having this manner of "I know something you others don't, let's see if I care to share it!" I don't quite know what to make of it, it's not usual her but then I'm not sure if it's necessarily suspicious either.

Okay, enough ranting, I don't remember if I had something to say about someone else still, so I'll let Lommy post and go to sleep and then do the same myself. Back soon babes!

[Aganzir]

Innocent
Inzil. I agree with him about winty's vote and thus far he hasn't given me a reason to suspect him.
Lommy. I like her and she's reasonable and has a nice fluffy nose.
skip. I'm just so darn happy he's playing at last that I wouldn't vote for him today even if he revealed he was a wolf. Thus far he hasn't given much of a reason for me to worry though.
Legate. Alright enough.
Brinniel. There's always something about her style that makes me suspect her, however I don't find her overly suspicious at the moment and I approve of her trying to take the discussion out of IC banter.
Nienna. I don't think we've ever got past day 1 with both of us being alive, so just because of that I'll refrain from voting for her today. But she seems innocent enough anyway.

Guilty
Mira. Suspecting newbies is just way too easy, and at the same time she clears Fea's vote (despite the 'on a more serious note' start, the whole comment looked like a joke though).
Morsul. I don't like his reasoning, he seems way too quick to jump to conclusions. But maybe it's just his style. Out of curiosity, how many games have you actually played in, Morsul?
Lottie. I didn't really see any issue with Lottie's earlier behaviour (granted I just skimmed through her first posts because I was in a hurry and didn't think they contained anything very important). However I disagree with her later comments on people - although I don't know if it's because of the content or the style they're written. And that moves her from Nonsense onto the Guilty list. It feels sort of weird that she should make an analysis of a player (Glirdy) who has only posted some random IC banter, like, who makes an analysis on day 1 when there's so little to go on? And hahaha it's sort of grotesque to use the abbreviations WW and SS for the newbies.

Nonsense
Glirdy. Content? Where's the actual content?
Nog. The first one to say he was uneasy about Lottie's behaviour, wasn't he? For relatively little reason, I think ("infamous mode of "no bad person, even insane one, would do that kind of a thing").
winty. Newbie so I won't vote for her/him today. I think people read too much into his/her vote.
sally. Content? Where's the actual content?
Shasta. It's a worse welcome than voting that you suspect me because of my natural lynch-happiness. :p
Fea. I'm alright with her vote.
Green. She's another one whose tone always sets me off and I always think she's too laid-back to have the village's best interests in mind, but so far I don't havean opinion of her.
Nerwen. I think her reaction to winty's vote was exaggerated and it looks as if she was looking for an easy lynch, but Nerwen and I also have a history of being on each other's throats (usually it starts with me on Nerwen's throat) so I'm going to wait for more evidence (like the word terrible :p) before making a judgement.

Non-show
Boro
Isabell

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I wouldn't have gone that far but it did look somewhat disconcerting to be honest
I knew you wouldn't like it! :D Actually I was about to end it with *waits for Nog to come and tell her she's undermining the seer's authority* but didn't do it.
I think this is just one of our differences in views because I seem to recall having argued with you before about similar stuff...

I mean it's hard to see that kind of problem being in any sense actual toDay.
Nope for me it isn't. What if I died today or in the night and nobody else had thought of it (if it's not of any great strategic importance, I prefer to say what I mean to say right away and not wait for a more relevant situation that may never come)? And if the seer can't fully trust their dreams, it's better they keep it in mind from the start, not only if/when they come out with their name list. I have won a game as a wolf because the seer trusted the cobbler was innocent, and if there's something I love, it's making my best so other wolves can't use my tricks to win when I'm not on their side.

I'm most likely going to vote for either Morsul or Mira today.

[Loslote]

Interesting. And what should that prove? It's not so much about when you wrote that piece of ambiguity, but what was your role when you decided it was a good way to start posting? :smokin:

Still unknown - I wrote that mainly for IC posting, as I didn't know much about the Duchess other than that she sang that awesome little song. :p

EDIT: xed with Greenie and Agan

[satansaloser2005]

Little Lottie is being decidedly halfhearted. Even for Day One. Even for her.


I don't know. Maybe I'm just paranoid. (Again.) But you know what normally happens when everyone thinks I'm paranoid....

I'm just sayin'. (http://pics.livejournal.com/jaegamer/pic/0002kp4q/s320x240)


EDIT: x'd since Lottie's....erm, 59, I think?

[Aganzir]

Greenie's last post moves her up towards my Innocent list because I agree with her (actually about everything) and she calls me lovely. :p However I wonder too if I should be worried that I don't suspect her, because usually when I do she's innocent. ;)

[Inziladun]

In general I agree with the remark, just seems to me however that Inzil just mentions it, but does not contribute much own thoughts on the Fea-issue himself, even though he thinks it "should" (emphasised) receive some scrutiny. Inzil doesn't seem to be very elaborative in any matter, however. The question however might be why is that. He's rather more... "quiet" than usually.

That wasn't a reference to Fea's vote: it was a response to Queen Agan saying Nerwen was possibly looking for an easy lynch with ww. I don't think Fea's vote worth much discussion because, as some have said, this is Fea we're talking about.
As for my 'quietness', I'm at work, and will remain so for the next few hours.

Thanks for saving my voice and speaking my thoughts aloud, dear husband. :p

Credit it with years of ruling packs of playing cards together. ;)

How do you "scrutinise" winwin's vote? Some they think this is making a monutain out of a molehill (and it wouldn't be the first time I'm being accused of it :rolleyes:), but to me this is one of the most noteworthy comments as yet. Now why? Well, obvioulsy that is a comment totally devoid of any real meaning but it is something you might think looks good in a situation you have no intention to do what you say should be done (if you really thought of doing what you suggested you'd soon realise there isn't much to scrutinise there). So what I'm trying to say is that a wolf might make that kind of statement to look helpful but I can't see an innocent to say that.

Really? I was saying I didn't fault Nerwen for questioning ww's vote, after Agan thought Nerwen could be wolfy for calling it into question, and that's suspicious? I certainly would say you're up to some mountain-building, Mr. Cat.
As for what I meant by 'scrutiny', I would at least like an explanation for the vote, beyond the character name.
However, I'd already said I was going to let ww slide toDay. I do find your comments on this interesting, though.

x/d with all since Nog

[Loslote]

Meaning that s/he (which is it, by the way?)

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Lottie's analysis post was interesting, but I found the "gut feeling"-thing slightly eyebrow-raising. The so-called gut feelings were mostly reasoned points, so why call them gut feelings? It just struck me that calling a point a mere gut feeling kind of lessens the responsibility over it - one can, later, claim it was just a gut feeling, not my fault that we lynched an innocent, whoops.

1. He. WW is a he.

2. Good point, actually, I hadn't thought of that. Okay then, my *points against those people* are *look back 'cause I don't want to waste time copy/pasting*

Innocent
Inzil. I agree with him about winty's vote and thus far he hasn't given me a reason to suspect him.
Lommy. I like her and she's reasonable and has a nice fluffy nose.
skip. I'm just so darn happy he's playing at last that I wouldn't vote for him today even if he revealed he was a wolf. Thus far he hasn't given much of a reason for me to worry though.
Legate. Alright enough.
Brinniel. There's always something about her style that makes me suspect her, however I don't find her overly suspicious at the moment and I approve of her trying to take the discussion out of IC banter.
Nienna. I don't think we've ever got past day 1 with both of us being alive, so just because of that I'll refrain from voting for her today. But she seems innocent enough anyway.

Guilty
Mira. Suspecting newbies is just way too easy, and at the same time she clears Fea's vote (despite the 'on a more serious note' start, the whole comment looked like a joke though).
Morsul. I don't like his reasoning, he seems way too quick to jump to conclusions. But maybe it's just his style. Out of curiosity, how many games have you actually played in, Morsul?
Lottie. I didn't really see any issue with Lottie's earlier behaviour (granted I just skimmed through her first posts because I was in a hurry and didn't think they contained anything very important). However I disagree with her later comments on people - although I don't know if it's because of the content or the style they're written. And that moves her from Nonsense onto the Guilty list. It feels sort of weird that she should make an analysis of a player (Glirdy) who has only posted some random IC banter, like, who makes an analysis on day 1 when there's so little to go on? And hahaha it's sort of grotesque to use the abbreviations WW and SS for the newbies.

Nonsense
Glirdy. Content? Where's the actual content?
Nog. The first one to say he was uneasy about Lottie's behaviour, wasn't he? For relatively little reason, I think ("infamous mode of "no bad person, even insane one, would do that kind of a thing").
winty. Newbie so I won't vote for her/him today. I think people read too much into his/her vote.
sally. Content? Where's the actual content?
Shasta. It's a worse welcome than voting that you suspect me because of my natural lynch-happiness. :p
Fea. I'm alright with her vote.
Green. She's another one whose tone always sets me off and I always think she's too laid-back to have the village's best interests in mind, but so far I don't havean opinion of her.
Nerwen. I think her reaction to winty's vote was exaggerated and it looks as if she was looking for an easy lynch, but Nerwen and I also have a history of being on each other's throats (usually it starts with me on Nerwen's throat) so I'm going to wait for more evidence (like the word terrible :p) before making a judgement.

Non-show
Boro
Isabell

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I'm most likely going to vote for either Morsul or Mira today.

*cough*suspects Agan now 'cause she's almost EXACTLY opposite all of my thoughts*cough*

Although I do agree about Nerwen and Zil. *shrugs*

Plus, I do best looking through IC banter. That's how I found Nerwolf and Wolfwa in Morsul's game. In my mind, IC counts.

EDIT: xed since my last

[Loslote]

Little Lottie is being decidedly halfhearted. Even for Day One. Even for her.

Little Lottie is being decidedly busy. Technically, Little Lottie shouldn't even be on here, and Little Lottie must leave now. Ta-ta...

[Boromir88]

This is my first time checking in today, I'll read up and get posting soon.

[satansaloser2005]

This is my first time checking in today, I'll read up and get posting soon.

*curls up on your shoulder, promptly falls asleep*

[Thinlómien]

There's something wrong with Lottie. She's talking too much, and of wrong things. Greenie had a fair point and Lottie admitted it was a good point but didn't explain herself or anything... the way she admitted Greenie had a point was definitely weird, I got the feeling "um yes you noticed my wolvish mistake, I admit it". Relatively new players as wolves tend to take suspicion very humbly, and Lottie's doing exactly that now.

I like Agan currently so much that she's probably guilty. Her calling me innocent would also speak for that. :p

Lommy is acting purposefully mysterious which strikes me as weird - she's having this manner of "I know something you others don't, let's see if I care to share it!" I don't quite know what to make of it, it's not usual her but then I'm not sure if it's necessarily suspicious either.Darling, I already explained it (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=626701&postcount=52). ;)

Not having much thoughts really... and I should vote. Maybe a list...


edit: xed with pillar and mouse

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good to see the Nogcat being alive and kicking :D <= yeah, I guess that's him... it even says "Big Grin" at mouse-over.

Anyway... as for the Agan thing, I don't see a problem with that. She gave an overall warning now, so that we know it for the future and don't drag a Cobbler along for too dangerously long. Why not to say that if it occured to her now, and for that matter, I don't think it's undermining Seer's authority, but just warning the Seer and the others about the fact that they can't be 100% sure, but still, Seer is a Seer. Point.

Okay, now I see I am basically crossposting (I have refreshed the page and read what's up), so... some thoughts on people who haven't been posting that much earlier: I don't think Morsul is a problem, I can see where is he coming from, and it's a totally classical Morsul, after all. Who worries me is Fea, not because of her vote, but because of her almost zero participation. Zero participation comes also from Borogroves and Isabellkya, however they in contrary to Fea haven't been around at all. Anyway, what - or who - worries me really the most now is however Lottie. Starting with nothing, continuing with weird half-funny, half-serious-or-is-it? posting, makes me think of Cobbler quite clearly. For that matter, I am actually willing to accept Agan's advice and vote her toDay, as she looks the most evil of all people toDay. Even if she is just a Cobbler, a good shot (and one thing less to worry about). Greenie's last post also worried me a bit, like her slight touch of suspicion of Lommy sounds like somewhat not-carefully-enough copypasted thing from what I have said about Lommy earlier - and which has been clarified meanwhile (as in: could be a Wolf carelessly copying one random concern that has been voiced earlier, on the other hand, it feels a bit weird to imagine Greenie doing that so carelessly). Anyway, like I said, Lottie is my primary suspect now (and I'm probably going to vote soon).

EDIT: eurgh. x-ed with dozens... since Agan #62, so with some sallys, Lotties, Boros , Inzils, more Agans and Lommies and whatnot...

[wilwarin538]

That's how I found Nerwolf and Wolfwa in Morsul's game.

Nerwolf and Wolfwa = epic win ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

2. Good point, actually, I hadn't thought of that. Okay then, my *points against those people* are *look back 'cause I don't want to waste time copy/pasting*
Well that's really a bit too easy (as Lommy already pointed out too).

I could of course also wonder about:
1. He. WW is a he.

Like "and where might you know that from, Nightly talks perchance?" although you probably have another explanation for that... or do you? (Only a totally stupid Wolf would, however, do that. Which makes me think that, if this does not have any logical explanation, you might be a Cobbler wanting us to think you are a Wolf and knowing it - thus making a blind shot - which would be funnily underlined now if WW said "I am a she", nah but whatever, I assume this is useless speculation as you probably have an explanation.)

*cough*suspects Agan now 'cause she's almost EXACTLY opposite all of my thoughts*cough*
Don't Cobblers usually try to think in the exactly opposite ways than normal people? :)

Anyway, all in all... doesn't make it better. I will be around for a while yet, but my main suspect is here already.

[satansaloser2005]

I obviously need to read closer. What is all this seer nonsense?



Also, glad to see that Lommie agrees with me on Lottie. (Oooo, try saying that ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast .) Makes me feel not quite as crazy. And a little sleepy, for that matter....


EDIT: x'd with Legate

[Thinlómien]

Eagles
Agan - makes sense and is reasonable, puts effort to the game. Seems genuine enough.
Inzil - seems less careful than as a wolf.
Shasta - gives good vibes but could talk more.
Legate - seems good and last time he was a wolf I guessed it on Day1 so I'm not worried (yet).
Skip - seems like careful but honest newbie trying to figure out how this game is played.
Greenie - seems like her normal innocent self.

Crows
Glirdy - lots of banter, little substance = typical early Day1 Glirdy but slightly annoying. :p
Nogrod - his manner with all this creeping and grinning disturbs me but otherwise he's ok. :D
Winty - newbie a bit lost in this environment. Let's hope he gets a hang on this.
Boro - I'll be able to judge him once he posts more!
Izzy - no show.
Sally - is crazy.
Nerwen - is Nerwen.
Fea - should put more effort to this game. :p
Brinn - no vibes, no opinion.

Chickens
Mira - Agan had good points against her, and she's made me feel uneasy earlier.
Lottie – see my previous post.
Morsul – don't like his kneejerkiness.
Nienna – her weird early suspicion of Lottie made me wary.

++Lottie

she just looks the worst atm.

Good n/Night!


edit: xed with everybody
edit2: my bad, I didn't actually x with Legate, I've seen that post before!

[Isabellkya]

Oh dear, oh dear. I shall be late........

Two votes within the first six hours? o.O
Would be nice if people voted for the actual names, as opposed to character names. As well as when talking about person. Seeing the character names in bold.. I reckon will and is just a biiit confusing.

Why is Winty's vote getting more attention to some, than Fea's? They were both early votes, with no reason attached.
I don't think that veteran players should be favored in terms of their actions, when new players are not.

I can easily see Loslote being an easy lynch. I think she tends to be, regardless of her role.
Her comment about 'I made these poems before I got my role'. Seems odd to me, as it came off 'I'm evil yes, but don't use my poems against me, as I got them before I was evil." Even though she perhaps meant it simply as, my poems have no indication on my alignment.

Discrediting the Seer before they even come into play...o.O
This only is relative to the Cursed and Cobbler. The Cursed is seen as an ordo, and the Cobbler is seen as an innocent. So there is some deciphering that could be done. So if the seer dreams of a player and gets the result 'innocent' then do they not know whom the Cobbler is? Or is it meant to say ordo?

You can't blame the seer entirely if the rest of the village decides to take them at their word. If they reveal anyone as ordinary - then just keep the Cursed possibility in mind. (Cobbler as well if innocent was a typo.)


X'd with Lommy, Sally. and Legate.

[Aganzir]

I don't think Morsul is a problem, I can see where is he coming from, and it's a totally classical Morsul, after all.
Ookay I've never played with Morsul before so I don't know how he's supposed to behave, but I don't like him nonetheless and he's still a candidate for my vote.

I think Greenie and Legate and Lommy do have a point about Lottie and I might vote for her too but then again I'm unsure because I don't know her style.

although you probably have another explanation for that... or do you?
I seem to recall seeing her post on Facebook, trying to convince TGEW to join and telling that if she did three Alaskans would be playing... so I assume that's the explanation.

Don't Cobblers usually try to think in the exactly opposite ways than normal people?
Hahaha thanks! :D

And yeah sally you need to read closer because I'm not going to go through the pains of explaining it all again to you.

[Morsul the Dark]

Legate I love you for actually getting my point even if you disagree:D

Have to read more in depth though have to vote shortly.

And why am I always classified with "Knee-Jerk" reactions? I see something I form a hypothesis everyone calls it "knee-jerk" I call it Scientific method

Taughtus Taught us that!

ok reading

[Aganzir]

Lommy that's unfair you know how much I like crows! :(

So if the seer dreams of a player and gets the result 'innocent' then do they not know whom the Cobbler is? Or is it meant to say ordo?
I think in this case innocent = ordo. Both are seen as ordos.

You can't blame the seer entirely if the rest of the village decides to take them at their word.
That's true and that's why everybody should remember that a seer-dreamed innocent is not necessarily innocent after all...

Anyway Izzie seems innocent enough.

Morsul if everyone else calls your 'scientific method' knee-jerk, have you perchance thought there might be something wrong with your definition? :)

Now I'll go brew some mint leaves and will be soon back to vote. :smokin:

[Isabellkya]

Well the Cursed said Ord and the Cobbler said innocent. Wasn't entirely sure whether it was a clerical error, or meant to be specific.

[Boromir88]

Not liking the Lottie votes. So, Fea comes in and makes a random vote, lets excuse that and go along with her for no apparent reason. Not liking how Mira defends the vote either.

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

++Glirdan

Will I retract? Probably. Would it be a waste of the 1 retract? No. I like dumping them soon, so I can actually put my votes to best uses. Retracts give a reason to not make the best vote, as it's kind of like...these are here in case you get get careless and mess up.

I expect Fea to retract, and have some reason for the vote? Will she tell us? Probably not. Does it matter? Not really. Is she a wolf? Dunno.

[Morsul the Dark]

Had this argument last time maybe I should do this "so and so "FEELS" off" somehow acceptable me seeing something I find odd and pointing it out that's weird?

Anywho... No one pops out want to vote agan... but won't because That Would be knee jerk... I do have to vote soon though

(Responding to post 80 forgot to quote it.)

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SS is doing really well - making sense, being logical, and seems to know what's what. Either he has packmates who are telling him how to act, or he's just read through enough games to know. I'm inclined to think it's the latter, because packmates would probably not encourage him to act so very well-adjusted to the game.

Thanks. To be honest I've not read through any old games. Briefly I tried to keep up with one or two at some point but reading page after page quickly proved too taxing without a personal interest. Last August I played live ww with the Finniship which is why I'm familiar with the basic rules, but I might well become confused soon enough.

Bedtime soon and I will have to vote I guess. Naturally I know what I am, but as for the others I'm in the dark. You lot may have reasons to suspect people based on the lessons learnt from old games. Me, I will have to base my decision on what I can see here. And to my mind, the only logical suspicion I can raise at this point is on Fea. I've already explained why. To my mind, throwing away ones vote early on a random target makes more sense for a wolf. You might double-guess and reason that this would suggest the opposite, that a real wolf never would stick out her neck like that, and triple-guess that she suspects that this is what people would think, thus keeping her safe etc. but that's too much for me at present. I'll stick to my first impression.

Min finländske vän Lommy may of course be right that this is vintage Fea, and that she will come back and retract her vote before the deadline and make another more one. But if so, that too is slightly suspicious to me. The retractable vote must be an advantage to have, no? Why then waste it?

So, I'm going to vote for Fea unless something happens in the next hour or so that make me change my mind about it. Bare in mind that my suspicions are weak though. She could also easily be innocent.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

I was saying I didn't fault Nerwen for questioning ww's vote, after Agan thought Nerwen could be wolfy for calling it into question, and that's suspicious?Nope.
What exactly made you draw attention to winty after two posts? It looks like a Nerwolf looking for an easy lynch.
I didn't see it that way. That vote should receive some scrutiny, and I don't think she was overly eager about suspecting ww.What I found suspicious here is the fact that you say that winty's vote should receive some scrutiny, which is nonsense. :) We can speculate the whole Day about him being a) newbie with little knowledge of the game, b) newbie who has played this on different fora, c) newbie with instructions to play a "newbie-card" by his packmates, d) newbie who thinks two steps ahead of most of us, e) newbie who just plays dashingly bold... you can continue that list. But that will lead us nowhere, especially if he doesn't come forwards to take part of the discussion - and that would not be "scrutinising his vote" anymore.

If there first is no explanation and when the explanation finally comes and is a verse from the book, there's little to scrutinise.

Why I find that suspicious then? If you were an innocent and thought there was something to scrutinise there, then you would have given it a thought - and even a slight thought would have told you immediately there wasn't. So can we infer that you actually didn't care? If you don't care to think about it that little as to see there's nothing to speculate there, then it would look like you are not caring about it. But still you wish to say that aloud, that "his vote should be scrutinised", which makes me think you were more concentrated on thinking how to make yourself look concerned than being actually concerned about the possibility of learning whether winty-w is good or bad (like if you knew it already or something?) - and just didn't realised that what you suggested might look good but when looked at more closely turns out ridiculous for anyone who is actually interested in on what side winty-w is...

Blah. I hope even someone gets what I mean as I'm getting quite frustrated with this nasty thing called language... :confused:

(~~~) *grin vanishing*



(~~~) *grin re-emerging*

EDIT: X'd from Lommy's list onwards...

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[A Little Green]

Darling, I already explained it.Eurgh. Sorry. My concentration is poor today. :o

I know this reasoning is outrageously bad, but I'll tell it anyway because it's what I'm thinking: I'm kind of afraid that Lottie will become this typical Day 1 easy lynch (ordo), but then again, she's the only one I have any valid point at all, so

++ Lottie


EDIT: eek x-ed since Boro

[Morsul the Dark]

First post vote followed by "Day one who cares?" then a bit of the Tweedles poem.

++WintyWinty

[Aganzir]

Hey Nog you posted the same post twice.

Had this argument last time maybe I should do this "so and so "FEELS" off" somehow acceptable me seeing something I find odd and pointing it out that's weird?

Anywho... No one pops out want to vote agan... but won't because That Would be knee jerk... I do have to vote soon though

(Responding to post 80 forgot to quote it.)
Sorry but would you care to speak English that's understandable even to a non-native speaker so I don't have to spend a twice longer time reading your post than I would need for anyone else?

As you might have noticed I didn't play in last game. And it's perfectly alright to point out what you find odd, but your thought process in the post I found suspicious seemed half-hearted and lazy and somehow far-fetched too (the part that Lommy or someone else pointed out). Give better reasons for your suspicions and I might change my mind about you.

But yeah as for now

++Mirandir

because thus far she seems the most suspicious to me.

oh and

--Mirandir
++Mirandir

as I dislike retrackies anyway, and this is what I think everyone should do because otherwise the wolves will probably use them against us in the end.

I'll hang around here till I've finished my tea and will go to sleep then.

[satansaloser2005]

Eurgh. Sorry. My concentration is poor today. :o

I know this reasoning is outrageously bad, but I'll tell it anyway because it's what I'm thinking: I'm kind of afraid that Lottie will become this typical Day 1 easy lynch (ordo), but then again, she's the only one I have any valid point at all, so

++ Lottie


EDIT: eek x-ed since Boro

Sorry, dear, but could you clarify this? Do you mean you have any valid points on her or that she's the only one with valid points? I'm not sure what you mean.

[Aganzir]

Sorry, dear, but could you clarify this? Do you mean you have any valid points on her or that she's the only one with valid points? I'm not sure what you mean.
She went to sleep, but I think it's pretty obvious Greenie meant Lottie was the only one she had any valid points on. At least her earlier posts suggest it. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and I love retractable votes, but I'll just drive myself mad if I have a free pass to mindchanging sitting around. With that....

++Sally

--Sally


I'm analyzing the votes so far, but please be patient, as I'm really scatterbrained today. That and....well, a nap sounds lovely....and Boro's shoulder is so comfy....

[Morsul the Dark]

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine :rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

Fea - Lottie
winty - Brinn
Lommy - Lottie
Boro - Glirdy
Green - Lottie
Morsul - winty
Agan - Mira

Lottie-3, Mira-1, winty-1, Glirdy-1, Brinn-1

Retraction left: everybody but Agan & sally

I think we really should keep track on who has used their retraction and who hasn't, and that everyone should use them asap, because as I've said they are more useful to the wolves than to us.

[satansaloser2005]

She went to sleep, but I think it's pretty obvious Greenie meant Lottie was the only one she had any valid points on. At least her earlier posts suggest it. ;)

K cool, thanks. I thought that's what she meant, but my brain is a bit....askew today and I didn't want to misunderstand. Thanks for the help! ^_^

[satansaloser2005]

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine :rolleyes:

Ah, yes, do tell us all your evil plans. Tell us now!

*waits with baited....yes, I actually mean baited....breath*

[Morsul the Dark]

Plans? I have none last few times it came down to my vote I made the wolves win, I'm going to try Not to repeat that:smokin:

[Morsul the Dark]

Agan changed Avatars mid-game:eek: Obviously Evil!!!!(Joking)

[Aganzir]

Agan changed Avatars mid-game:eek: Obviously Evil!!!!(Joking)
Just returned back to my old self because I like it better and recognise it faster.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

My tea-time is coming to an end as well as I have a tough morning tomorrow. So a few thoughts, a list-like thingy, a vote and to sleep...

I don't think that "seen as an ordo" or "seen as an innocent" is anything more than just two different phrases to say the same thing. Otherwise it would be pointless to make that distinction as either one would then be clear to the seer and WilwAlirin could have just told us so.

I'm also a bit uneasy about this quite rapid lynching-queue that emerged for Lottie. It's not that I think her particularly innocent (vice versa) but the easiness by which it just came about... Needs to look at it.

Someone (Agan?) compared the retrackies to the phantom's game where people had 10 extra-votes and how the wolves kept them and in the end ran over the innocents with their pile of votes. I don't think that is a good comparison. A retraction is a good idea when you are not sure you can be back before the DL and need to vote just to be sure you vote - and then you suddenly are able to come back and major things have happened meanwhile. I don't like retractions everyDay or any unlimited retrackies, but one for the whole game is quite good: it serves the possible need and doesn't give too much leeway for the wolves to play tactics with them. But well, anybody's decision.

Hey Nog you posted the same post twice.
Yeah. I saw it and deleted the other one.

Heh, I can see there is a new fashion in town, getting rid of the retrackies... how nice. :rolleyes:

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

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I think we really should keep track on who has used their retraction and who hasn't, and that everyone should use them asap, because as I've said they are more useful to the wolves than to us.
Okay, I'm not accusing you of anything, sweetheart, but a retractable vote is useful for anyone, is it not? I certainly can see how wolves could use retractions to great advantage late in the game but why the haste?

[Boromir88]

Eurgh. Sorry. My concentration is poor today. :o

I know this reasoning is outrageously bad, but I'll tell it anyway because it's what I'm thinking: I'm kind of afraid that Lottie will become this typical Day 1 easy lynch (ordo), but then again, she's the only one I have any valid point at all, so


Aww, think it's an easy lynch, but still go for it because cant think of anything else? Sad story. :( I still call it hogwash haug-hwassssh and wolves hwol-vee-ss like their hogs I hear. (Question: do they like they're hogs washed too? :eek:)

[Inziladun]

Why I find that suspicious then? If you were an innocent and thought there was something to scrutinise there, then you would have given it a thought - and even a slight thought would have told you immediately there wasn't. So can we infer that you actually didn't care? If you don't care to think about it that little as to see there's nothing to speculate there, then it would look like you are not caring about it. But still you wish to say that aloud, that "his vote should be scrutinised", which makes me think you were more concentrated on thinking how to make yourself look concerned than being actually concerned about the possibility of learning whether winty-w is good or bad (like if you knew it already or something?) - and just didn't realised that what you suggested might look good but when looked at more closely turns out ridiculous for anyone who is actually interested in on what side winty-w is...

The whole thing wasn't really about ww at all. :rolleyes: I was agreeing with Nerwen that his vote ought to be looked at, and disagreeing with Agan's wariness of Nerwen for doing just that. You're grasping at straws, mate.

Hey Nog you posted the same post twice.


Sorry but would you care to speak English that's understandable even to a non-native speaker so I don't have to spend a twice longer time reading your post than I would need for anyone else?

As you might have noticed I didn't play in last game. And it's perfectly alright to point out what you find odd, but your thought process in the post I found suspicious seemed half-hearted and lazy and somehow far-fetched too (the part that Lommy or someone else pointed out). Give better reasons for your suspicions and I might change my mind about you.

But yeah as for now

++Mirandir

because thus far she seems the most suspicious to me.

oh and

--Mirandir
++Mirandi

as I dislike retrackies anyway, and this is what I think everyone should do because otherwise the wolves will probably use them against us in the end.

Why is Mira the most suspicious to you, my dear? Possibly you said so already and I just missed it.
Anyway, I agree that wolves can make good use of a retractable vote, but so can the good side. What happens if one votes early, then has to contend with a Seer reveal, or something of that nature toward the end of the Day? Being able to retract comes in handy then. So I'm not retracting unless I see a need for it.

Also, I think I agree with the Boropillar that this push against Lottie looks bad.

x/d with all since # 91

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Plans? I have none last few times it came down to my vote I made the wolves win, I'm going to try Not to repeat that:smokin:

Okay... I wanted to say that generally, I dislike the idea of using up retractions when we already have them, as that kind of ruins the point, but then again that I understand the danger hidden in that, but now that Morsul said it... I know exactly what he is referring to, because it happened in the game I have modded, on the last Day he voted early, Wolves bandwaggoned it, and the Wolves won. On the other hand, such things can be (in most cases) avoided with careful reasoning before voting. Also, of course, if people decide to keep their votes, it would have the point only in the case if they keep it for really until late, otherwise it might end up just with the scenario outlined by the retraction-opponents, that is, that all innocents use up their retractions in a few first Days' voting and the WWs then all have their retractions and outsmart the village.

EDIT: x-ed since Agan changed her avvie :) (so basically since the post I quote)

[Boromir88]

Just returned back to my old self because I like it better and recognise it faster.

*concurs* I kept thinking there was a new player but then looked to the side and saw it was you...

[Loslote]

Like "and where might you know that from, Nightly talks perchance?" although you probably have another explanation for that... or do you? (Only a totally stupid Wolf would, however, do that. Which makes me think that, if this does not have any logical explanation, you might be a Cobbler wanting us to think you are a Wolf and knowing it - thus making a blind shot - which would be funnily underlined now if WW said "I am a she", nah but whatever, I assume this is useless speculation as you probably have an explanation.)

I know him in RL, dear.

I seem to recall seeing her post on Facebook, trying to convince TGEW to join and telling that if she did three Alaskans would be playing... so I assume that's the explanation.

Yup.

Eurgh. Sorry. My concentration is poor today. :o

I know this reasoning is outrageously bad, but I'll tell it anyway because it's what I'm thinking: I'm kind of afraid that Lottie will become this typical Day 1 easy lynch (ordo), but then again, she's the only one I have any valid point at all, so

[*highlight]++ Lottie[/highlight*]

EDIT: eek x-ed since Boro

Okay. Seriously? I think we need to stop lynched Little Lottie Day 1 every game. :rolleyes:

~~~

Sally's in a teacup,
Little Dormouse.
What are you hiding?
Does Glirdy know?
If we go to lynch you,
What will we find?
Ordo, wolfie, or special kind?
Ordo, wolfie, or special kind?

^no, really, I want to know. I think you're looking rather evil, but...

EDIT: xed with peoples and will be leaving until about an hour before dl.

[Glirdan]

Sorry it took me so long....Those horse radishes were being rather stubborn, stampeding all of the place and trampling my feet.... Sheez...(AKA: Read the Admin thread). And now there are so many people that I don't think I have enough tea :( Well, we shall make do!! And Sally, what have I said about that tea pot!! :rolleyes: Anywhoseits, I shall return again after I have read all these posts.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry it took me so long....Those horse radishes were being rather stubborn, stampeding all of the place and trampling my feet.... Sheez...(AKA: Read the Admin thread). And now there are so many people that I don't think I have enough tea :( Well, we shall make do!! And Sally, what have I said about that tea pot!! :rolleyes: Anywhoseits, I shall return again after I have read all these posts.

I'M NOT IN THE TEA POT, YOU SILLY BUGGER!

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^*scrabbles across the keyboard to get away from mean Glirdan*^

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

Okay.

There were some suspicions on Lottie from early on (Fea's unexplained vote, my comment on understanding that vote...). Suddenly everyone was lynching Lottie.

There were a few comments about disliking retrackies (Lommy's explanation of Fea's behaviour, Boro's continuation on the same vein...). Suddenly a band of people are using their retrackies.

Does anyone else find that interesting?

Is that just herd-mentality (oh, Nietzsche how right you were?) or is there something else at stake?

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm also a bit uneasy about this quite rapid lynching-queue that emerged for Lottie. It's not that I think her particularly innocent (vice versa) but the easiness by which it just came about... Needs to look at it.

It makes me also uneasy now given how smoothly it goes and how so many people are going for it, however, it's the first time I am actually suspecting Lottie in a game (as my primary suspect), which I think didn't happen this far... so I am just going to go with that too and hope that the queue is a result of the fact that she really is suspicious. I'd like to hope that in the worst case, she's "only" a Cobbler.

A few more minutes... and probably voting and going to sleep.

EDIT: x-ed with Glirdy, Sally and Catnod.

[Aganzir]

Someone (Agan?) compared the retrackies to the phantom's game where people had 10 extra-votes and how the wolves kept them and in the end ran over the innocents with their pile of votes.
Imagine some innocents, a couple of wolves. The innocents have used (most of) their retractions, the wolves haven't. The wolves can vote for whomever is the most convenient for them and then, when most other votes have been given, unite and direct their votes towards an innocent who is lynched, and nobody else can do anything. Because I can see that scenario, I'd rather eliminate it before the wolves have even a chance to try it.

Okay, I'm not accusing you of anything, sweetheart, but a retractable vote is useful for anyone, is it not?
Mmh yeah but the wolves have the advantage of being able to talk in private. That way they can make plans about using the votes, among other things, whereas whatever we others say, the wolves see it too. And the wolves are fine with killing anybody but one of them, while it's not quite so simple for us. So even if the retractable votes might be useful for us, we can't really base our plans on them...

Why is Mira the most suspicious to you, my dear? Possibly you said so already and I just missed it.
Mira. Suspecting newbies is just way too easy, and at the same time she clears Fea's vote (despite the 'on a more serious note' start, the whole comment looked like a joke though).
Mostly because of this comment though:
wintywinty's vote is more suspicious. I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake.
Basically, "It's suspicious because it could go either way."

Anyway, I agree that wolves can make good use of a retractable vote, but so can the good side. What happens if one votes early, then has to contend with a Seer reveal, or something of that nature toward the end of the Day?
Might happen. However it's always best for the seer to not reveal during the last-minute voting frenzy.
Also, retractable votes and the 'who receives the highest number of votes last' rule are a bad combination in the case of a tie because if a wolf (or somebody else) wants to drive a lynch, they wait till the last possible moment, retract and vote again.

*concurs* I kept thinking there was a new player but then looked to the side and saw it was you...
Haha sorry. :p On one hand I'm sorry to let go of my previous avvie (a Goya painting ♥) but on the other hand... Scar is Scar, and worth another ♥.

Okay I'll go to sleep now, night babies.

[satansaloser2005]

A note:

I've a friend that's ill and am organizing a bit of "yay let's make the poor girl feel better" stuff. That said, I may or may not be going to a meeting in a couple hours (no, really, I haven't decided if I'm going yet or not) so I may not be around much. I'm working on analyzing the votes between all the other stuff but I don't seem to be able to multitask worth a muffin (<3) today so I'm a bit slow.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Thiiiis vote on Lottie bothers me. Partiiiiiially because it seems like we lynch her first a lot, and partiiiially because the reasoning on the bandwagon isn't superb.

Right now I think Morsul is the most suspicious for his comment about wanting everyone to use up their retractions, but keeping his own.

[satansaloser2005]

Thiiiis vote on Lottie bothers me. Partiiiiiially because it seems like we lynch her first a lot, and partiiiially because the reasoning on the bandwagon isn't superb.

Right now I think Morsul is the most suspicious for his comment about wanting everyone to use up their retractions, but keeping his own.

Agreed. (Wow. We really are all mad here.) I think Lottie's suspicious, but I get sick of Day One lynching her.

And definitely agreed on Morsul. Hypocrites should always be the first to go. *nods sagely, head droops, starts to snore*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Imagine some innocents, a couple of wolves. The innocents have used (most of) their retractions, the wolves haven't. The wolves can vote for whomever is the most convenient for them and then, when most other votes have been given, unite and direct their votes towards an innocent who is lynched, and nobody else can do anything. Because I can see that scenario, I'd rather eliminate it before the wolves have even a chance to try it.
Well... one thing to say however is that if they do it at any early date, they will expose themselves and consequently get lynched for that. So it's not really as easily misuseable.

Mmh yeah but the wolves have the advantage of being able to talk in private. That way they can make plans about using the votes, among other things, whereas whatever we others say, the wolves see it too.
The Shiriffs can talk too, when we are speaking of it. Which is a positive thing here.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

The whole thing wasn't really about ww at all. I was agreeing with Nerwen that his vote ought to be looked at, and disagreeing with Agan's wariness of Nerwen for doing just that. You're grasping at straws, mate.

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

Anyway, Mr Tweedledum, let me tell you that voting completely randomly is not well thought of, even on Day One. So something to scrutinise, eh? And really, it's of no importance whether it was "about ww" or not. Maybe I just didn't manage to make myself clear then anyway... :rolleyes:

Well, this seems to be running out of proportion anyway. And remember being suspected and defending oneself is not only a fight against the gallows, but also a chance to make others to trust you more. Before I posted my remarks on you the first time I couldn't say anything about you Inzil, but now I can. Well I have a picture - which is far from definitive or anything - but it is a picture of sorts rather than just a blank canvas.

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[skip spence]

Mmh yeah but the wolves have the advantage of being able to talk in private. That way they can make plans about using the votes, among other things, whereas whatever we others say, the wolves see it too. And the wolves are fine with killing anybody but one of them, while it's not quite so simple for us. So even if the retractable votes might be useful for us, we can't really base our plans on them...

I understood your reasoning from the beginning. But with your angle, holding on to this option would appear suspicious and for wolves to retract his or her vote early on would divert attention away from them unless all others quickly follow suit.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Right now I think Morsul is the most suspicious for his comment about wanting everyone to use up their retractions, but keeping his own.

Well, didn't he just say "you can use your votes all you want, but I am not using mine"? There's no hypocrisy in that, only a difference in opinion... or that's what I thought.

Anyway...

++Lottie

Good night.

[skip spence]

Almost forgot to vote.

++Fea

(don't know how to make that red)

Explanation to be found in earlier post. Good night!

[Nogrod]

Skip: take the B from the brackets of bolding off and write highlight instead of the B's.

[satansaloser2005]

Almost forgot to vote.

++Fea

(don't know how to make that red)

Explanation to be found in earlier post. Good night!


Skippy (hehe!):

Instead of the B in the tag, type highlight. Easy as pie (in your eye). ^_^


EDIT: D'oh. x'd with Noggins, who was also using his noggin.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine :rolleyes:

Whoops. On first glance this looked like Morsul was advocating getting rid of our retractions. Didn't catch the sarcasm, my bad.

[satansaloser2005]

Whoops. On first glance this looked like Morsul was advocating getting rid of our retractions. Didn't catch the sarcasm, my bad.

Lol. You're great. I'm not entirely sure he's joking though, or at least that he's being completely innocent in said joke. But again, paranoid.

[Brinniel]

I agree that this Lottie bandwagon doesn't look great. I'm still a bit confused as to why she looks so suspicious. From what I'm getting, it's because of her silly behaviour*, which tends to be a popular reason for a Day One vote, though more often than not that person turns out innocent. I can't really say yet if anyone who's part of the bandwagon is necessarily suspicious. There could be a wolf among them (4 voters now, right?), but there's also a good chance that all of them are just lazy and taking the easy route in terms of voting.

I'd like to avoid this bandwagon, but let's all be careful about creating a second bandwagon too. Often a second bandwagon formed due to the disliking of the first can end up being just as disastrous, if not more when it's done last minute.

A retraction is a good idea when you are not sure you can be back before the DL and need to vote just to be sure you vote - and then you suddenly are able to come back and major things have happened meanwhile.
That's exactly why I'd rather like to keep my retraction. With my limited time schedule, there's a good chance something like this could happen, so I'd rather not waste it. Yes, retractions can be helpful to the wolves, but they can also be helpful to innocents.

*Correct me if I'm wrong. I admit I'm not reading posts thoroughly because I'm multi-tasking with schoolwork, so I could easily be missing something here.

[Glirdan]

First off, hello wintywinty and welcome!! Second:


Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

Oh my...he really does seem to be a plain old innocent for this comment....yet Nerwen brings up an excellent point:


*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

He very well could be simply a confused innocent or a really smart wolfywolfy....Currently I'm inclined to believe the first.

And Nerwen's sigh threw me off there too...A sigh of exasperation. Perhaps either because she is exasperated with the newbie thing or perhaps a sigh of exasperation of her fellow packmate?


Lottie and Glirdan are a bit too excited about IC posting, but I don't think it makes them necessarily guilty.

You would be too if you were as crazy about tea as I am!! Oh, and happy unbirthday!


Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Nothing about Day 1 is meaningless. What happens on Day 1 is our foundation for what is to happen in the later Days. Yes, most of the posting at the start is purely IC, random and sometimes completely pointless, but not always. There was a game not too long ago that I played where I got Hunter-Killed by a certain someone on Day 1 *coughMORSULcough* and most of that Day's discussion was purely speculation on some of the rules and thus led to the votes that were placed. (Or maybe I'm mixing that up with the game BEFORE it was restarted :rolleyes: )


Gut feeling: Wolfie. LET'S HUNT WOLVES!! W00T! <= wolfly behavior. No other reasons as of yet.


Now this is mostly banter with Mira, which raises the possibility of a Glirdy-Mira wolf partners...I doubt it, though. I think, if Glirdy's wolfly, then Mira's probably innocent...which, coincidentally, lines up with my impressions of her, as well. Also the Lottie song parody/Shasta tea thing seems to be sort of a "haha, don't vote me, I'm nice" buttering up sort of thing...although it might also be banter. Either way, not a particularly favorable impression - I dislike buttering up; I actually suspect suspicion of me far less than trust of me. I'm weird that way, I know.


Come on now chica (sorry...just finished performing West Side Story last weekend, Puerto Rican accent still in head), you've played with me before, have you not? It was all IC posting at that point.


Glirdy. Content? Where's the actual content?

Sorry, would have posted more if it weren't for the fact that, as I have mentioned in the Admin thread, a good portion of the Day happens to occur during my sleeping hours and then six hours of schooling (with rehearsals every once in awhile afterwards) so I could not get much in other then IC stuff. By the way, it is a pleasure to play with you for the first time!


Glirdy - lots of banter, little substance = typical early Day1 Glirdy but slightly annoying.

Love you too. :p

As for all of this retracting of the votes this early, I see the points raised on why it we should do it. However, personally, knowing my track record, I'm going to hold onto mine for a Day or two more.

As it stands I am still at a loss of who to suspect and who not to...Lottie kinda stands out for me right now, but that might just be because she thinks I'm a Wolf.

I'm giving Agan a vote pass seeing as it has been a year since she's last played. I'm also giving a vote pass to skip and ww as the newbies to the game....Which leave everyone else.....

Okay, I'm going to go do a little more scrutinizing after I've found something to eat....

[Glirdan]

Quickly doing this for everyone:

Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn (please correct me if I'm wrong on this....)
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea

Okay, will be back shortly

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The bandwagoners on the Red Queen's vote are all from Europe? :eek: Curiouser and curiouser!

(I don't think it's game-related, but it's an amusing coincidence nonetheless.)

[satansaloser2005]

The Europeans are clearly all evil and must be lynched.

(Really, this is true regardless of their role in the game. ;))

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*


Getting too late... so just in brief.


Glirdan – Mad Hatter
Seems more suspicious than not but then again that's a way-long tradition with me. I just don't get his way of playing with nothing said. Annoying.

Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Newbie-pass, but should really pull himself together on D2.

Boro88 – the Caterpillar
I will not vote him without a good reason on D1 but I am a little concerned about his "minimum-effort fly-through".

Isabellkya – White Rabbit
Her first post was like a breeze of fresh air. The only one I'm more or less confident in trusting. Stress on the words "more or less".

Mira – March Hare
I'm not sure if making her a primary suspect was a bit far-fetched but it was not from thin air either. Hard to say. Could be the sneaky wolf trying to fly under everyone's radar, but voting her would be quite a shot in the dark anyway.

Sally – the Dormouse
I never get her. First I thought she was more careful than normally (I think someone mentioned that early on the Day and that made me look at her that way) but now I'm more or less without an opinion. She's one of the "followers" though: retrackies & the newest "against Lottie band-wagon"...


An intermediate thought: heh, lots of people suspected Lottie but the table seems to have turned and now the "following" is taking the opposite opinion - although interestingly enough some still went with her; so is it brave and sincere or brave and cunning? Seeing the tide turning one must say that deciding to vote for her (Greenie, Legate, at least) were quite daring - looking at the change of the general mood.


Agan – Queen of Hearts
I see she is enjoying her first game in a year and would feel bad urging to lynch her - but she's no cutie when a wolf, even if she knows how to appear as one. There are things that bother me but not enough to really suspect her at this point.

Inzil – King of Hearts
His explanations on the issue I rose, well the way he made them, look somewhat more innocent than not. Then again his need to use most of his time defending and thus talking very little of other things beside that defence makes me a bit worried still.

Shasta – Knave of Hearts
When do I ever learn to read him? But his jump on Morsul looks a bit bad indeed.

Lottie – Duchess
I still think she is suspicious but looking at how many others think the same makes me wonder whether it would be that easy.

Nerwen – the Dodo
Mainly speaks sense and thus is dangerous unless one has reason not to suspect her. The tiny row with Agan was just creepy - like someone said (Legate?): let's pray it was not a wolf-on-wolf.

Legate – Jabberwocky
Mainly speaks sense and thus is dangerous unless one has reason not to suspect him.

Morsul – the Mock Turtle
He looks so darn suspicious but then again he looks so much like the normal Morsul. I'd say voting him is more like trying to find an easy target on D1.

Nienna – White Queen
No idea.

Fea – Red Queen
Because of her actions I had to check the rules on whether the cursed knows about her/his status. Well the cursed does not know it so there goes the theory. I find it interesting she picked Lottie (which was that early exactly my spotting as well - many things have changed after that though), but also this one made me worried: "But We're so stylish!" (post #47) So if not the cursed then maybe the cobbler sending hints? Or then just toying around and having fun?

Skip – Humpty Dumpty
Not only a "newbie-card" for D1 but also I think he has been making a lot of sense.

Lommy – the Gryphon
Oh my. Why can't I bee the seer again and just check her? :rolleyes:

Greenie – White Knight
I didn't like her vote and the grounds for it - but then as RL information I must say that she really has had quite a day of her life (her music diploma performance) and I could understand she was not into concentrating to this like 100%...

Brinniel – Tweedledee
Reasonable and scary. As always.


Looks like a headache before going to sleep...

(~~~) *grin emerging*



(~~~) *grin re-emerging*

EDIT: X'd with a few...

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ah, there's the Nogrod we know and love, misinterpreting mistakes again. :p

In any case, the deadline seems to be 8:30 my time, so I'll need to vote within the next few minutes. I need to re-read a bit.

[Nienna]

I'm here but with absolutely no idea who to vote for.

I won't be voting for:
Lottie - suspicious bandwagon
WinWin - Newbie
Skip - can have a newbie pass too
Agan - hasn't played in foreverz
Boro, Nog, Nerwen, Greenie, Izzy - seem quite reasonable at the moment
Sally - I can usually read her pretty well and I'm not getting alarm bells yet... but we shall see
Mira - she seems very innocent-Mira at the moment
Fea - is being Fea and I know she's busy
Morsul - is being Morsul

Which leaves:
Lommy - I suspect her because she suspects me... this seems like something that always happens when we play together
Glirdy - no read as of yet
Zil - no read
Shasta - no real read but no good feelings either
Legate - jumped on the Lottie bandwaggon
Brinn - hmmm she seems like she is forcing normalcy... but I can't really tell

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Greenie

I don't like bandwagons, I don't like lynching Lottie first constantly, I don't see what's so suspicious about her, and I especially don't like votes made apologetically.

Knave out!

[wilwarin538]

I greatly love all those who have made vote tallies. You are the bestest.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm quite concerned with Legate's vote. I suspected Lottie before I even registered that people had been poking at her a lot, and he just seems to want to come along for the ride. It's very disconcerting.


Also, my mother called, so now I didn't get to do anything. Rubbish.


I have to vote in like ten minutes too.

[satansaloser2005]

++Greenie

I don't like bandwagons, I don't like lynching Lottie first constantly, I don't see what's so suspicious about her, and I especially don't like votes made apologetically.

Knave out!

Now that was unexpected....

[Isabellkya]

I for one, will not be throwing away my retraction. As I can imagine I'm in the same boat as perhaps Morsul, if I am understanding him correctly.

There have been a few times where I've debated over my vote, then when I posted it. I ended up cross-posting with others whom decided to vote for the same person. Then I got a feeling of wolves jumping ont he wagon, and wanted to retract it. The most recent time I can think of.. was I believe Nerwen wolf.. and Loslote was the lynchee.

I dislike Legate's vote for Loslote. He mentioned how he was uneasy with how the wagon and votes against her formed.. yet stated she was still his primary suspect. I would think the unease would have more of an effect on your voting choice.. it doesn't seem like it mattered. Perhaps you said it, just to say it.

[satansaloser2005]

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

++Legate


For being too excited to lynch Lottie. ;)

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

Time for the cat to lay on top of the oven for the night...


No clear choices but some ideas to be sure.

Now I still don't like the fact that Fea spotted Lottie that early - and did what she did. I thought there was something fishy in Lottie's first poems but I couldn't say what. Then Fea goes to just vote her, like if she saw the same?

And then there was this "But We're so stylish!" -response to Brinn's post about Fea not needing to be the trendsetter. (Okay, playing the Queen addressing herself in plural, sure, but too good a chance to be missed?)

Actually Lottie answered that Brinn's initial comment with: "Fea does have to be a trendsetter. There is no question about that."

Okay RL-mates bantering, possibly... but to me this looks more sinister. I mean the banter comes only afterwards and that is always a bad sign. Also, it looks like trying to reach a hand to the other side, so a cobbler and a wolf probing each other?


This is the best I can do now.


The question becomes whom to vote...

I just dislike this Lottie-wagon (too much opportunism involved).

I dislike Lottie being lynched on D1 like a rule.

I think Fea was the initiator. We might be wrong with them but I think we have a better case with Fea. Well I suspect her more.

Which doesn't mean I think Lottie is innocent.

Or to have an idea who is a wolf and who's a cobbler. It could go both ways.

So let's make it:

++ Fea

How people will react to this setting of two votes to four might also tell us a thing or two tomorrow...

(~~~) *grin vanishing*



(~~~) *grin re-emerging*

EDIT: X'd with Sally...

(~~~) *grin vanishing for good*

[wilwarin538]

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)


You best, I love that song. :D


*snuggles her Wonderlanders*

[Inziladun]

Why is Mira the most suspicious to you, my dear? Possibly you said so already and I just missed it.

Mostly because of this comment though:

Basically, "It's suspicious because it could go either way."

Hmm. Makes sense, I guess. I might go for Mira in lieu of the Lottie-wagon.


However it's always best for the seer to not reveal during the last-minute voting frenzy.

But you never know when a Seer or other Gifted might be backed in a corner, thinking they're going to be lynched. Then, a reveal is their only chance.

I agree that this Lottie bandwagon doesn't look great. I'm still a bit confused as to why she looks so suspicious. From what I'm getting, it's because of her silly behaviour*, which tends to be a popular reason for a Day One vote, though more often than not that person turns out innocent. I can't really say yet if anyone who's part of the bandwagon is necessarily suspicious. There could be a wolf among them (4 voters now, right?), but there's also a good chance that all of them are just lazy and taking the easy route in terms of voting.

True, and Lottie could well be a wolf. This train just looks evil to me, though.

I'd like to avoid this bandwagon, but let's all be careful about creating a second bandwagon too. Often a second bandwagon formed due to the disliking of the first can end up being just as disastrous, if not more when it's done last minute.

Also a good point. Trouble is, I'm not sure who else to go for.

x/d with Wilwa and Nog

[Boromir88]

Okay I'll go to sleep now, night babies.

Baybees (http://www.babysleepandgrow.com/images/MIBumbleBee.jpg)? What exacitically do u mean? Early to bed early to rise to eat your baybees?

*clears throat* But in serious voice now, what exacitically is the deal with all these gushy terms? Babies and sweethearts?

Okay, I'm not accusing you of anything, sweetheart, but a retractable vote is useful for anyone, is it not?

[Inziladun]

Time to vote.

I'm tempted to go for Nog, since I still do not see the point of his 'case' against me. Then again, it would probably be a throwaway.

Let's see...

ww: newbie pass.

Mira: Hmm..I don't have anything on her beyond what Agan said.

Fea; I wasn't fond of her vote, but that seems rather reckless for a Feawolf, as it drew a lot of attention to her. That's not generally a desirable thing for a wolf.

It's the people who have jumped on the Lottie-train that are more worrying.
Nog said Greenie has RL reasons for maybe giving a dodgy vote.

Which leaves Lommy and Legate. But I don't really want to vote for either of them right now, because they've mostly been making sense otherwise.

In that case:

++Mira

[Glirdan]

Okay, so I am back and with a slightly clearer (albeit, it's still a little hazed, not gonna lie) view on things.

Nogrod – Cheshire Cat

For some reason I never suspect this guy....Maybe it's just because he always comes across as the level-headed one among us (which is saying something this time around :p) or maybe it's just a charm he has....Although his vote for Fea has me a little worried. Voting for her simply for initiating the voting for Lottie? What reason is that? The bandwagon for Lottie (at least the voting anyway) did not start until well AFTER she had voted.....Hmmm....

Wintywinty – Tweedledum

Newbie pass

Boro88 – the Caterpillar

No read on him as of yet....Want to vote him but that would just be a retaliation vote :p

Isabellkya – White Rabbit

Has been rather quiet this time around. Maybe there is something RL that is preventing her from being here, or maybe it is a Wolvish tactic to try and sneak by?

Mira – March Hare

I have no read of my fellow tea patron

Sally – the Dormouse

Seems to be, well, Sally: Confusing and unreadable (and thank you for getting out of the tea pot!) yet I see nothing that indicates Wolvish behavior....yet.

Agan – Queen of Hearts

Giving a pass to her as she hasn't played in a year and I don't want to see her go just yet and has also been making some wonderful contributions to the game.

Inzil – King of Hearts

No read on His Grace

Shasta – Knave of Hearts

His vote for Greenie came out of nowhere and looks to me as if it is a Wolf trying to perhaps save one of his own from being lynched. Yet would a Wolf be so bold?

Lottie – Duchess

I don't know what to make of her....However, last time I played with her, we both were innocent and she got lynched Day 1....after having pinned all three Wolves on Day 1 (The sad thing is it happened to me on Day 2 :rolleyes:)

Nerwen – the Dodo

Seemed a little too overprotective of winty initially, but that could easily have been her being exasperated with the newbie.

Legate – Jabberwocky

Has definitely been one of the few people talking sense all Day. Yet his vote for Lottie has me a little perplexed. He stated that he did not like all the bandwagon votes and suspicions for her yet he himself later voted her? True he had stated suspicions of her for awhile, but his vote almost seems as if he's making it to ensure her being lynched....Hmmmm....

Morsul – the Mock Turtle

Has seemed very Morsul like....which bugs me....Yet last time I voted him, he ended up being the Hunter and he Hunter killed me....So I think I'm going to leave him be for the time being.

Nienna – White Queen

Seems to be flying under the radar....perhaps a little too much, at least for my liking. Wolvish tactic to stay clear perhaps?

Fea – Red Queen

Her vote for Lottie is the only thing that holds any suspicion for me, yet it could very well be a Cobbler tactic....However, as pointed out earlier, the Cobbler can prove to be our downfall later in the game. Or maybe the vote was simply to be rid of her retractable vote?

Skip – Humpty Dumpty

Also getting a Newbie pass

Lommy – the Gryphon

I have no read on her.

Greenie – White Knight

Her vote for Lottie seems kind of like a bandwagon vote to me.

Brinniel – Tweedledee

Her posts all well thought out and full of substance


Okay, will make a list, will post it in a few and perhaps with my vote as well.

EDIT: Xed with Zil, Boro, Moddess and who knows who else....

[Glirdan]

A Vote Update!


Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea
Shasta ----> Greenie
Sally -------> Legate
Nogrod ---> Fea(2)
Zil ----------> Mira(2)

[Nienna]

Zil I really don't like your vote. You are voting based on someone else's very weak suspicions. I'm not saying that Mira can't be guilty or even that she shouldn't be voted for but in the same post you write how you don't have anything against her except what Agan said and then you vote for her. I just don't like it.

Edit: x-ed with 2 Glirdys

[Boromir88]

Fea; I wasn't fond of her vote, but that seems rather reckless for a Feawolf, as it drew a lot of attention to her. That's not generally a desirable thing for a wolf.


Well, Fea likes the attention no matter her role, which is the biggest question, because it serves no indication of her role. Ya, Ni is correct, she's being very "Fea" but that' doesn't mean much at this point, or it could mean anything.

It gives the "I don't care" persona, but that's quite far from the truth when it comes to Fea. She does, make no mistake. I wouldn't read too much into the Day 1 vote, there's no doubt a reason...could be as simple as being busy, and wanting to vote, or thinking that Day 1 really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

The good news is there's a ying and a yang. She loves the attention, and is certainly great at attracting it. Why she is? Who knows? However, carefully watch her for a few days and you can catch her if the motives are sinister. Just hope it's not too late, like when she was a recent lover and flat out owned the village and wolves' with Sauce.

[Inziladun]

Zil I really don't like your vote. You are voting based on someone else's very weak suspicions. I'm not saying that Mira can't be guilty or even that she shouldn't be voted for but in the same post you write how you don't have anything against her except what Agan said and then you vote for her. I just don't like it.

Fair enough. I was actually thinking DL was now, for some reason, so I was rather rushed. Basically, I didn't (and don't) have much against her, but as I said, the other options didn't seem especially bright either.

x/d with Boro

[Isabellkya]

Do you want Loslote to remain around, because you think her more innocent than suspicious, Sally? Or... you'd prefer an innocent to go before your wolfmate?

That wink for your reasoning is ooooooooodd.

What do you mean by spotted, Nog?

Inziladun I find is being more agreeable that previously.

I would not necessarily say that Fea's vote drew a lot of attention and thus was reckless for a wolf. Sure, people discussed it.. but so far two people have voted for her? One which may or may not even count as it was not highlighted.

Why Mira? You said the Loslote voters were more worrying, so how does Mira out worry them?

Glirdan - I always fall under 'submarine'. I might as well get it tattooed on my forehead. xD

[Brinniel]

Hmm...I see there's some Legate suspicion happening, and I'm not sure I like it. On one hand, his vote does look pretty bad and bandwaggonish. But then again, a move like that just seems too obvious to be coming from a wolfish Legate. From what I recall, he's much subtler than that when he's a wolf. I suppose it's always possible a wolfish Legate could be just changing up his style, but I'm not going to hold any suspicion on him based solely on that vote.

Anyway, it is time to vote:

++Fea

It's not unusual for her to vote out of thin air and disappear, and it doesn't say anything about her role. But for once, I'd like her to actually explain her vote. Voting that early without an explanation is a dangerous thing, and it can start bandwagons as we are already seeing. While it's certainly possible it's just an innocent Fea having fun, I could also very well see an evil Fea pulling it off thinking she can get away with such a vote with little scrutiny...she has before. And not only has she not explained her vote, but she has not made any sort of contribution. Only two posts, a vote and banter. Perhaps she is busy, but so am I. If you're going to make a vote, then explain it. Whether the reasoning is good or poor, there should always be at least some explanation. It doesn't take long to write a sentence or two.

EDIT: X-ed with Izzy

[Loslote]

(I don't think it's game-related, but it's an amusing coincidence nonetheless.)

Coincidence? Yes. Amusing? Not so much, no. :rolleyes:

*flails and makes a little list*

Evil:
Greenie
Agan
Sally
Glirdy

Sally and Glirdy are wolves; either Greenie or Agan's a wolf and the other's the cobbler.

I trust:
Boro
Zil
Mira
Nog

The rest of you could easily be the last evil dude.

[Loslote]

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

[*highlight]++Legate[/highlight*]


For being too excited to lynch Lottie. ;)

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

If you want me to live to see another Day, try not wasting your vote on someone who is not at all likely to die. :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

Not Voting
Winty
Skip
Agan
Brinn
Morsul

Probably Won't Vote
Sally
Nerwen
Boro
Izzy
Mira
Inzil
Nienna
Lommy

Could Vote For
Fea
Lottie
Nogrod
Legate
Greenie
Shasta


By the by, this is not necessarily in order (as in the could vote for, just because Fea is at the top does not mean she's my top suspect)

EDIT: Xed wiht Lottie, Brinn and Izzy

[satansaloser2005]

Coincidence? Yes. Amusing? Not so much, no. :rolleyes:

*flails and makes a little list*

Evil:
Greenie
Agan
Sally
Glirdy

Sally and Glirdy are wolves; either Greenie or Agan's a wolf and the other's the cobbler.

I trust:
Boro
Zil
Mira
Nog

The rest of you could easily be the last evil dude.


You, my dear, are insane.

But aren't we all! :p

(Which is to say that the meeting I was at got over superquick and I'm back.)

[Loslote]

You, my dear, are insane.

But aren't we all! :p

(Which is to say that the meeting I was at got over superquick and I'm back.)

So you're saying you aren't evil? Not that I believe you, of course. :p

[Nienna]

I trust:
Boro
Zil
Mira
Nog

The rest of you could easily be the last evil dude.

Lottie: Trust is a very strong word this early in the game.

[satansaloser2005]

So you're saying you aren't evil? Not that I believe you, of course. :p

Of course you wouldn't, even if I am! Oh, but you should, because you know me far too well and know my secrets.


Also, I totally almost double posted that last post. But I only hit 'submit' once. What the heck?



EDIT: The first line was supposed to say 'secrets', not secret. I corrected the typo, but wanted to let you lot know just in case.

[Glirdan]

You know Lottie, I've read you're reasoning of suspecting me and I still don't quite understand it. Could I ask you to clarify?

[Inziladun]

Why Mira? You said the Loslote voters were more worrying, so how does Mira out worry them?

Of the four, I thought Greenie might seem the worst, but then I remembered Nog saying something about her having a very full RL day. Of the remaining two, I just couldn't choose between them.

[Loslote]

Lottie: Trust is a very strong word this early in the game.

I do NOT think they are wolves. I do NOT want to see them dead. I WILL add Shasta to this list as of now, after a bit more reading of the thread. I TRUST them more than any of the rest of you, who are unknown as of now. I DO like capitalizing random WORDS. :p

Seriously, though: I don't think they're evil. At all. I almost *know* Zil, Nog and Boro aren't.

EDIT: xed with people

[wintywinty]

(~~~)
What I found suspicious here is the fact that you say that winty's vote should receive some scrutiny, which is nonsense. :) We can speculate the whole Day about him being a) newbie with little knowledge of the game, b) newbie who has played this on different fora, c) newbie with instructions to play a "newbie-card" by his packmates, d) newbie who thinks two steps ahead of most of us, e) newbie who just plays dashingly bold... you can continue that list. But that will lead us nowhere, especially if he doesn't come forwards to take part of the discussion - and that would not be "scrutinising his vote" anymore.


Any of these choices could be possible, but I prefer d and e. :D Also, Someone please explain to me how eliminating re-votes will help the Non-wolf team later on. Finally, many have mentioned how Tweedledee always has good insights on shtuff and she seems very good at the game, therefore if she is a wolf, then she would be huge asset to the wolf team. This is my reasoning for voting for Tweedledee.

[satansaloser2005]

Any of these choices could be possible, but I prefer d and e. :D Also, Someone please explain to me how eliminating re-votes will help the Non-wolf team later on. Finally, many have mentioned how Tweedledee always has good insights on shtuff and she seems very good at the game, therefore if she is a wolf, then she would be huge asset to the wolf team. This is my reasoning for voting for Tweedledee.

Yes, but she would also therefore be a good asset to the village. And besides, she's super busy, so she can't get up to too many hijinx this game.


I still fault this is egregiously poor reasoning. (And yes, I really just wanted to say egregious.)

[Loslote]

You know Lottie, I've read you're reasoning of suspecting me and I still don't quite understand it. Could I ask you to clarify?

Okay. You're evil. My reasoning in a nutshell.

Seriously, though, and adding to the IC reasoning: You jumped on the "Nerwen's *sigh* is off" mini-bandwaggon; you're jumping on the Lottie-waggon now; and you're fraternizing far too readily with the other people I think are evil (Agan, Sally, and Greenie).

[wintywinty]

Coincidence? Yes. Amusing? Not so much, no. :rolleyes:

*flails and makes a little list*

Evil:
Greenie
Agan
Sally
Glirdy

Sally and Glirdy are wolves; either Greenie or Agan's a wolf and the other's the cobbler.

I trust:
Boro
Zil
Mira
Nog

The rest of you could easily be the last evil dude.

Or, perhaps the person who supposedly knows the identity of all the wolves and the cobbler is "the last evil dude".

[Loslote]

Or, perhaps the person who supposedly knows the identity of all the wolves and the cobbler is "the last evil dude".

Nah, I'm just awesome like that. Trust me, I am not evil.

[Boromir88]

Of the four, I thought Greenie might seem the worst, but then I remembered Nog saying something about her having a very full RL day. Of the remaining two, I just couldn't choose between them.

I would have preferred it was for Greenie. I've seen Greenie's sympathetic, apologizing votes before and I automatically think...Wolf! Since last time I spotted it she turned out to be one. It's the best I got to go on right now, even though she may be full and could simply not like making a decision on Day 1.

I didn't like Mira's defense for Fea's vote, but they do know eachother quite well, and if that's all I'm wary of...well not going to go that route.

I'm considering keeping my vote for Glirdan, because he seems all to sly and playful. I'm visioning a hyena, which are close enough to wolves.

I don't want to vote Fea, because despite not having any clue about what she would be up to at this point, if she's innocent I do not want her dead this early. However, I will vote for who I must to not get Lottie lynched. Period. The whole reasoning is quite ridiculous.

[Isabellkya]

Are you nefariously aligned Loslote?


x'd with Loslote and Boro.

[satansaloser2005]

Nah, I'm just awesome like that. Trust me, I am not evil.

Coming from you, that means....next to nothing. ;)


The new kit confuses me very much. Like, very much.

EDIT: x'd since Lottie

[Loslote]

Are you nefariously aligned Loslote?

No. Not in the least.

Coming from you, that means....next to nothing. ;)

It does mean something. It means I care enough about not getting lynched to bother. Usually I don't bother; you villagers can lynch me if you want to, whatever, you're silly. This time, I care. This time, I'm sure about the wolves. This time, I want to stay alive. And yes, this time, I'm innocent.

[Isabellkya]

Then what is with your #158?
You can not logically claim to know such sureties. We've had one Night....

What do you base your reasonings off of?

[Boromir88]

It does mean something. It means I care enough about not getting lynched to bother. Usually I don't bother; you villagers can lynch me if you want to, whatever, you're silly. This time, I care. This time, I'm sure about the wolves. This time, I want to stay alive. And yes, this time, I'm innocent.

*The campaign to petition for the no-lynching of Lottie approves this message. Paid for by The Catterpillar (http://www.cat.com/)*

[Loslote]

Then what is with your #158?
You can not logically claim to know such sureties. We've had one Night....

What do you base your reasonings off of?

Gut feeling. Logic. Intuition. And a sprinkling of my secret ingredient. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

It does mean something. It means I care enough about not getting lynched to bother. Usually I don't bother; you villagers can lynch me if you want to, whatever, you're silly. This time, I care. This time, I'm sure about the wolves. This time, I want to stay alive. And yes, this time, I'm innocent.


You are so very cute when you're flustered. And I still say you're hiding something.

[Isabellkya]

Before you made your #158. It looked to be a sensible innocent getting frustrated with looking to be the lynchee of the Day.

That post, and afterwards.. it feels like you've gone totally bat-crazy. Almost like you are trying to take on the role of Sally in how she performs on occasion when she "knows" something. Or is running a "test".

[satansaloser2005]

Then what is with your #158?
You can not logically claim to know such sureties. We've had one Night....

What do you base your reasonings off of?

K, so you know you really are paranoid when someone says "We've only had one Night" and you automatically go WOLF! :rolleyes:

(No, that's not an accusation. That's me laughing at myself.)

[Nienna]

*is confuzzled, but more inclined to try and save Lottie for at least another day*

[Glirdan]

I almost *know* Zil, Nog and Boro aren't.

You trying to *hint* at something here? Perhaps you're fellow packmates? But you know what, I know that you would not do something THAT obvious.


Seriously, though, and adding to the IC reasoning: You jumped on the "Nerwen's *sigh* is off" mini-bandwaggon; you're jumping on the Lottie-waggon now; and you're fraternizing far too readily with the other people I think are evil (Agan, Sally, and Greenie).

Can you explain to me how and when I have been fraternizing with Greenie and Agan? I have not said two words to either of them. As for Sally, yes, I have fraternized with her, IC, as, if you have read the books, our characters go together.

Edit: Xed since last post

[Loslote]

You are so very cute when you're flustered. And I still say you're hiding something.

Aww, thanks! I am hiding something. I'm not hiding it well. And it's not an evil something.

Before you made your #158. It looked to be a sensible innocent getting frustrated with looking to be the lynchee of the Day.

That post, and afterwards.. it feels like you've gone totally bat-crazy. Almost like you are trying to take on the role of Sally in how she performs on occasion when she "knows" something. Or is running a "test".

But I *do* know something. I'm not running a "test", though, just trying to avoid the noose.

[Loslote]

You trying to *hint* at something here? Perhaps you're fellow packmates? But you know what, I know that you would not do something THAT obvious.

Can you explain to me how and when I have been fraternizing with Greenie and Agan? I have not said two words to either of them. As for Sally, yes, I have fraternized with her, IC, as, if you have read the books, our characters go together.

Agan is on your "will not vote" list (which, btw, I can't find reasoning for) and Greenie is on your "may vote" list when we all know you're never in a blue moon going to vote for her. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Before you made your #158. It looked to be a sensible innocent getting frustrated with looking to be the lynchee of the Day.

That post, and afterwards.. it feels like you've gone totally bat-crazy. Almost like you are trying to take on the role of Sally in how she performs on occasion when she "knows" something. Or is running a "test".

Oi, I like my tests, thanks very much! They're normally very helpful. I mean yeah, they get me lynched a good portion of the time because no one understand them, but they help the village in the end (most of the time). Besides, they're fun. ;)


Fifteen minutes-ish, yes?

[Boromir88]

*is confuzzled, but more inclined to try and save Lottie for at least another day*

Her postings are a bit unconventional, but that's standard Lottie. Ya, ya, ya she could be using this to fool us, but this always gets her lynched. You would think a wolf-Lottie would try to tone down the oddity if she knew it always got her lynched?

The reasons are completely bogus backed up by a few wishy-washy "I don't want to join the bandwagon but I have no choice" votes. And if you are sincere in wanting to, just don't throw it away for someone who is looking like they're not going to get lynched. *glares at sally*

[Loslote]

Fifteen minutes-ish, yes?

Yes. And people need to vote sooner than later, please, and not for me. Kthnx. :Merisu:

[Nienna]

*has no intention of throwing away her vote, thank you very much*

[Nienna]

Are their any good vote candidates though? I'd prefer not to see Fea or Mira lynched and they are the only one's with accumulated votes.

Edit: bolding

[Loslote]

*has no intention of throwing away her vote, thank you very much*

Good. *snuggles Ni*

[wilwarin538]

Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea
Shasta ----> Greenie
Sally -------> Legate
Nogrod ---> Fea(2)
Zil ----------> Mira(2)
Brinn -------> Fea (3)

DL in 11 minutes.

[satansaloser2005]

Her postings are a bit unconventional, but that's standard Lottie. Ya, ya, ya she could be using this to fool us, but this always gets her lynched. You would think a wolf-Lottie would try to tone down the oddity if she knew it always got her lynched?

The reasons are completely bogus backed up by a few wishy-washy "I don't want to join the bandwagon but I have no choice" votes. And if you are sincere in wanting to, just don't throw it away for someone who is looking like they're not going to get lynched. *glares at sally*

Yeah, about that. I thought there might be a chance some other people would go for Legate, which is why I voted for him. My other hunch was Morsul, but I was pretty certain no one would go for that, and the other options at the time (if I remember correctly) were Brinn (erm, what?), winty (newbie pass, admittedly), and Mira (again, what?) so I really had to go with my gut. I didn't expect it to be a throwaway though. :(

And you have to consider that if Lottie suddenly changed her style, that would be just as suspicious as keeping the style she has now. So really, either way, she's screwed. She may as well have fun.

[Boromir88]

*has no intention of throwing away her vote, thank you very much*

No offense meant to you, I know you wouldn't do that, I wanted to make the point directed towards sally.

Who, I know as an innocent she waits til the last possible point to reach the best decision she can make. If she was sincere in thinking Lottie was innocent, and sincerely wanted to save her, she wouldn't have diluted the votes by adding Legate to the list.

[Glirdan]

Agan is on your "will not vote" list (which, btw, I can't find reasoning for)

Post # 142 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=626812&postcount=142) Read there.


Greenie is on your "may vote" list when we all know you're never in a blue moon going to vote for her.

And you would know this how? Only way you would be able to know anything about what I would do is if you're a mind-reader.

[Loslote]

Are their any good vote candidates though? I'd prefer not to see Fea or Mira lynched and they are the only one's with accumulated votes.

Edit: bolding

I'd like Greenie MUCH better than either of them, but I don't think we wrangle up enough votes for that lynch. :(

Sally'd be good, too, what with the fact that she's a wolf and all...;) But she has not a chance of dying toDay.

EDIT: xed since Wilwa

[satansaloser2005]

No offense meant to you, I know you wouldn't do that, I wanted to make the point directed towards sally.

Who, I know as an innocent she waits til the last possible point to reach the best decision she can make. If she was sincere in thinking Lottie was innocent, and sincerely wanted to save her, she wouldn't have diluted the votes by adding Legate to the list.

I would if I thought the other candidates were rubbish. Which they are.

And I said I wouldn't kill Lottie. I didn't say I'd save her. There's a big difference. In fact, if you look back at my posts I think you'll find that I suspect her. Yes, I don't want her dead toDay, but if the choice is her or someone who I don't think is a wolf, I'll happily part company with her. (And as I said, I was hoping there would be continued support for a Legate lynch. I was sadly mistaken.)

[Nienna]

Legate is actually the only person I could really get behind voting for but I'm willing to vote for some of the others if I need to.

[Loslote]

Post # 142 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=626812&postcount=142) Read there.



And you would know this how? Only way you would be able to know anything about what I would do is if you're a mind-reader.

Why, you're a wolfie, and you wouldn't vote your wolfie packmate for no reason.

Or would you?

Vote with us, dear. Help us lynch Greenie. Pwease? :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

I'd like Greenie MUCH better than either of them, but I don't think we wrangle up enough votes for that lynch. :(

Sally'd be good, too, what with the fact that she's a wolf and all...;) But she has not a chance of dying toDay.

EDIT: xed since Wilwa

And your proof is where? I thought not. *pats your head anyway* And I quite like it that way, thanks. Means I get to stick around longer and help the village out. ^_^

[Nienna]

Sally keeps avoiding people calling her a wolf. This worries me.

[Glirdan]

Okay, I'm going to vote.....

++Shasta

Yes, this will probably end up being a throw-away vote, but I actually do find him a little suspicious. His vote for Greenie came out of absolutely nowhere and really had no substantial backing to it.

[Isabellkya]

Erm Sally... only wolves kill. Innocents lynch. Slip of the wolfy tongue there?


X'd with Glirdan, Nienna and Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally keeps avoiding people calling her a wolf. This worries me.

Erm, no I didn't. I'm acknowledging them quite a lot, actually. In between giggles.

[Loslote]

And your proof is where? I thought not. *pats your head anyway* And I quite like it that way, thanks. Means I get to stick around longer and help the village out. ^_^

Out of what? Life? Death? Glirdy's blueberry tea? Very vague there, dear.

[Boromir88]

--Glirdan

Take this as a truce for now, if you don't vote Lottie I'll consider you looking slightly better.

[Nienna]

Can we lynch Ms. Sally-kins? Are there enough of us left?

[Loslote]

Okay, I'm going to vote.....

[*highlight]++Shasta[/highlight*]

Yes, this will probably end up being a throw-away vote, but I actually do find him a little suspicious. His vote for Greenie came out of absolutely nowhere and really had no substantial backing to it.

Absolutely not helping your image there, buster. You just voted for someone for voting your packmate. Niiice. :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

Well, I didn't vote Lottie cuz I actually think the bandwagon for her is ridiculous, I really do. I want to see her stay. She's pretty good at picking out the Wolves, why the get rid of her?

[wilwarin538]

3 minutes.

[Loslote]

Can we lynch Ms. Sally-kins? Are there enough of us left?

I don't think there are. Four for me, against three against Sally (you, me, Boro). Not nearly enough. We'd have to vote for Mira or Fea. :(

EDIT: xed

[Boromir88]

Can we lynch Ms. Sally-kins? Are there enough of us left?

No...I don't think there's enough for Greenie either

[Nienna]

Izzy's around too... Izzy??

[Loslote]

Well, I didn't vote Lottie cuz I actually think the bandwagon for her is ridiculous, I really do. I want to see her stay. She's pretty good at picking out the Wolves, why the get rid of her?

Yeah, I am. I found you, didn't I?

[satansaloser2005]

Out of what? Life? Death? Glirdy's blueberry tea? Very vague there, dear.

Yes, actually. I'd love to help! Help them out with life. Help them away from death. And most certainly help them out of Glirdan's tea, 'cause I like to take my evening baths in there. Better now?

[Loslote]

Izzy, if you vote Greenie, we can lynch a wolf!!! Do it!!!!

[Boromir88]

++Fea

I'm sorry hun, if you're innocent. Duty is forcing me to make this choice.

[wilwarin538]

Fea -------> Lottie
winty ------> Brinn
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea
Shasta ----> Greenie
Sally -------> Legate
Nogrod ---> Fea (2)
Zil ----------> Mira(2)
Brinn -------> Fea (3)
Glirdan ----> Shasta
Boro -------> Fea (4)

[Isabellkya]

++Mira

It really comes down between her and Legate for me. With Sally voting for LEgate and hoping others would vote for him.. that worries be, couple with her behavior in the last few minutes.

I don't like how Mira used the same reason to both put Fea on a normal side, yet found Winty suspicious of it.


X'd with everything after #198.

[Nienna]

++ Greenie

[Loslote]

Dang it...

++ Greenie

This might be my death sentence, but gah....

[Loslote]

[high*light]++Mira[/highlight]

It really comes down between her and Legate for me. With Sally voting for LEgate and hoping others would vote for him.. that worries be, couple with her behavior in the last few minutes.

I don't like how Mira used the same reason to both put Fea on a normal side, yet found Winty suspicious of it.


X'd with everything after #198.

Switch!!! Switch!!!!

[Boromir88]

Oh double hockey sticks

[Loslote]

-- Greenie
++ Fea

EDIT: oh gumdrop buttons.

[wilwarin538]

Dl.

[satansaloser2005]

EVERYONE STAY OUT OF MY TEA!

AND FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, ENOUGH WITH THE RETRACTIONS!

GOOD GRAVY AND PINEAPPLE TEA, PEOPLE, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU....


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(I'm pretty sure I's gonna cross with the moddess.)

[wintywinty]

. Trust me, I am not evil. - Of course, in your eye you will not be evil. If you are a wolf, you will view the villagers as being evil, and the wolves as friendly. Therefore the people you say are "innocent" could be wolves, and the guilty are the villagers.

[wilwarin538]

Uhm. Can people stop talking please. kthnx

Lottie's vote doesn't count, it was a minute late.

In the case of a tie the person who last received that number of votes dies.

Fea is dead. She was the Cobbler.

I have to be up early tomorrow so the narration won't show up til later.

[wilwarin538]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Alirin walked through the little blue door and found herself in a great garden. “What a wonderful place this is,” she said to herself.

As she began to walk up the path she could here all the flowers whispering, which despite its oddness did not seem to surprise her at all. After a few minutes she happened upon someone else looking around the garden. It was a woman all in red, who wore a crown atop her head.

“Where do you come from and where are you going?” the Red Queen said sternly when she spotted Alirin walking towards her, “Look up, speak nicely, and don’t twiddle your thumbs.”

Alirin quickly attended to all of these things as she explained that she was not all together sure where she was going and that she had lost her way.

“Well, I don’t know what you mean by Your way, seeing as all the ways are mine.” the Queen said, “But why did you come out here at all? Curtsey while you’re thinking of what to say, it’ll save time, and everything you say should end in Your Majesty.”

“I only wanted to see the garden your Majesty...” Alirin tried to answer.

“Well, when you say “garden”, I’ve seen gardens, compared with which this would be a wilderness.” the Red Queen responded patting Alirin on the top of the head.

They walked on for a bit not saying anything, and Alirin was feeling quite uncomfortable in the silence. She remembered what her father would always say when having conversations.

“So, how about this weather?” Alirin asked timidly.

The Red Queen looked at her as if she had forgotten that she was there. “Well, we had such a thunderstorm on one of the last sets of Tuesdays.”

Alirin was quite confused by this. “Well, where I’m from we only have one day at a time.”

“That’s an odd way of doing things.” her Majesty responded, “Here we mostly have Days and Nights two or three at a time and sometimes during the winter we take 5 nights at once, for warmth; since that is 5 times as warm as only one night, you see.”

“Than wouldn’t it also be 5 times as cold?” Alirin asked.

“Just so!” The Queen responded, “Five times as cold, and five times as warm, just as I am five times as rich as you are, and five times as much a cobbler.”

“A cobbler! With peaches or berries?” Alirin asked, getting quite curious.

“Why, did I say that out loud?” The Red Queen said, quite alarmed by her admission. Suddenly thunder could be heard in the distance.

“Is today another Tues....” but the Queen could not finish her sentence for the sound of thunder drowned out her words. As the two ran for cover Alirin was sure that one of them would be struck down by a lightning bolt, and she was feeling quite afraid. As she reached the cover of a tree she turned to see where the Red Queen had run off too, but she was nowhere to be seen.

The storm ended as quickly as it started and so Alirin ventured out back into the garden. This is when she spotted something quite curious. In the middle of the path was a giant scoop of vanilla ice cream, and underneath she could see a red crown mixed in with peaches and blueberries.

“Cobbler indeed” she said to herself as she walked around it, feeling as though this place may not be as wonderful as she had originally thought.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1

Alive
Glirdan – Mad Hatter
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat
Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Boro88 – the Caterpillar
Isabellkya – White Rabbit
Mira – March Hare
Sally – the Dormouse
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Inzil – King of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Legate – Jabberwocky
Morsul – the Mock Turtle
Nienna – White Queen
Skip – Humpty Dumpty
Lommy – the Gryphon
Greenie – White Knight
Brinniel – Tweedledee


It is still Night 1. No posting here please.

[wilwarin538]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Alirin continued to walk down the path of the garden, looking around at all of the large gossiping flowers and shrubs shaped like giraffes, until she was suddenly surrounded by a strange blue smoke. As she walked through it, trying not to lose her way, she suddenly bumped into a very large mushroom. Sitting atop the mushroom was a large caterpillar smoking a hookah (well, large for her seeing as she was still only12 inches high).

“Whhooooooo are yoooooouuuuuu?” asked the Caterpillar in a languid and rather sleepy voice.

“Well, I hardly know. Atleast, I knew who I was before I arrived here, but I think I must have changed several times since then.” Alirin replied.

“Explain yooooouuuurself.” The Caterpillar replied sternly.

“But I can’t; being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.”

“Nooooooooo it isn’t. Stupid girl.”

“Well, maybe you’ll understand more when you’ve turned into a chrysalis and then a butterfly. I would think you’d feel a little queer then, won’t you?” Alirin replied, not at all liking that he called her stupid, seeing as how she does quite well in her lessons.

“Not a bit.” replied the Caterpillar.

“Well, it would feel very queer to ME.” said Alirin.

“You!” said the Caterpillar. “Whoooooo are yooooouuuu?”

“Who are you?” asked Alirin, getting quite annoyed with the strange creature.

“I!” said the Caterpillar. “I am a Shirriff!”

“A what?” Alirin replied, feeling quite confused seeing as how he was clearly a caterpillar and nothing else.

“Yoooouuuu heard meeeee.” the Caterpillar replied, turning away from her. “Tiime for mmeeee tooooo leave.”

With that something strange began to happen. In a matter of moments the Caterpillar was all wrapped up in a chrysalis. Only moments after that, a large blue butterfly emerged, that soon began to fly away. It was quite the pretty sight to behold.

But then something not so pretty, and quite strange happened. As Alirin watched the large butterfly fly away something even larger was flying in towards them. Pretty soon a tremendously humungous bird had gobbled up the butterfly and flown away.

“What a shame, I rather like butterflies,” Alirin said to herself as she sadly continued down the garden path.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Dead
Fea - Red Queen - Cobbler - lynched Day 1
Boro - the Caterpillar - Shirriff - killed Night 2

Alive
Glirdan – Mad Hatter
Nogrod – Cheshire Cat
Wintywinty – Tweedledum
Isabellkya – White Rabbit
Mira – March Hare
Sally – the Dormouse
Agan – Queen of Hearts
Inzil – King of Hearts
Shasta – Knave of Hearts
Lottie – Duchess
Nerwen – the Dodo
Legate – Jabberwocky
Morsul – the Mock Turtle
Nienna – White Queen
Skip – Humpty Dumpty
Lommy – the Gryphon
Greenie – White Knight
Brinniel – Tweedledee

Day 2 now. The DL will be extended by an hour, so will end at 10:30 pm EST.

[Morsul the Dark]

So... I can post?

So Feas was a cobbler yay us.

And Boro was a sherriff... which is kind of neutral Not good but he wasn't a seer or anything so that works.

going to look at votes and suspicions.

But maybe that's kneejerk:p

[Nienna]

Fea --> Lottie
WinWin --> Brinn
Lommy --> Lottie
Boro --> Glirdy
Greenie --> Lottie
Morsul --> WinWin
Agan --> Mira
Legate --> Lottie (4)
Skip --> Fea
Shasta --> Greenie
Sally --> Legate
Nog --> Fea
Zil --> Mira
Brinn --> Fea
Glirdy --> Shasta
--Boro -- Glirdy
Boro --> Fea (4)
Izzy --> Mira (3)
Nienna --> Greenie (2)
Lottie --> Greenie (3)

Bold = used retraction
Italic = dead
Underlined = known baddie

[satansaloser2005]

Lottie just lost the game. ;)



Also, my internet's being rubbish so I'll have a look at stuff tomorrow or so and see if I can work out some more stuff. Well, until then I suppose I'm off. Later!


EDIT: x'd with Nienna. :)

[Nienna]

So I've stopped having any sort of idea what is going on. Sally what are you talking about? Maybe it is just because I need to sleep but I'm super confused. Whatever... it's fine.

Lottie, my dear, I would love some explanations. I'm going with my general feeling and say you aren't a wolf.

I'm going to sleep now and hope that when I get up there is a lot more clarity.

[satansaloser2005]

So I've stopped having any sort of idea what is going on. Sally what are you talking about? Maybe it is just because I need to sleep but I'm super confused. Whatever... it's fine.

Lottie, my dear, I would love some explanations. I'm going with my general feeling and say you aren't a wolf.

I'm going to sleep now and hope that when I get up there is a lot more clarity.



Oh my snap. Really? You've never heard of it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_%28mind_game%29)?

[Nienna]

Oh.

*sleeps*

[satansaloser2005]

Oh.

*sleeps*



What she said. Oh, and before I go, what the heck happened at the end of the Day yesterDay? Don't get me wrong, yay dead cobbler, but a dead cobbler is not a dead wolf. Sally demands an....an expla.....explanat....some country.....

[Morsul the Dark]

Boro voted Glirdan then changed to Fea.(An example of a well used retraction by the way)

Methinks either Glirdan is suspiciou or the wolves picked the person who pushed their cobbler friend over the edge.or they considered it the least traceable.

[Morsul the Dark]

Maybe Lottie is the other Sherriff? Boro switched votes to save her?

[Inziladun]

Boro, hmm? The obvious question is why.

Maybe Lottie is the other Sherriff? Boro switched votes to save her?

Possible. It might explain why he said this when he gave his vote for Fea:

I'm sorry hun, if you're innocent. Duty is forcing me to make this choice.

What other 'duty' could he have been referring to?

[Loslote]

Boro is dead. He was one of the Shirriffs.

*sobs, wails, curls up in a corner and cries until rivers of tears flow and drown out her anguished screams*

This is to say, yeah, I'm the other Shirriff...and I'm seriously ticked. :mad:

[Loslote]

Boro, hmm? The obvious question is why.

Why? Because we failed at sublety. Seriously, if no one noticed that but the wolves, I'll be surprised. :rolleyes:

Possible. It might explain why he said this when he gave his vote for Fea:



What other 'duty' could he have been referring to?

Heh. Funny story...let's just say there were many pms with both of us not knowing who to vote for. We wanted to kill Greenie but didn't think we could; we didn't want to kill Mira at all; we would settle for Fea if we had to...:rolleyes: At the last moment, Boro chose my life over a possible Greenie lynch.

~~~

List!

Trust absolutely:
Just me now. :(

Trust pretty much:
Nog
Zil
Mira
Shasta
Nienna
Nerwen

Trust mostly:
Legate
Lommy
WW
SS
Morsul

Unsure:
Izzy
Brinn

Wolves:
Glirdy
Sally
Agan
Greenie

Will vote:
Glirdy
Sally
Agan
Greenie

Will not vote:
Anyone else.

[Thinlómien]

Good morning!

First off, I'm quite surprised Fea turned out to be the cobbler. I was so certain she was either an innocent or a wolf playing her regular retraction tactic. (No one says she couldn't have been a cobbler playing her regular retraction tactic but she could've been a cobbler doing anything.) Anyway, given that we were probably wrong about Lottie (by "we" I of course mean all the Lottie voters, most of which I know in RL) it was very good she was lynched instead of her. In other words, I believe Lottie's claim.

As for Boro, someone asked why him. Someone suggested the tie between him and Lottie was obvious. Well, it wasn't so obvious that I would have noticed :rolleyes: so we should look at other possible reasons. (And this is not to say "because I didn't see that, it can't be the reason I killed him" :D merely that I don't think the connection was that obvious. But on the other hand, there are four wolves who can think together and they might be rereading the thread overNight. Arg, I'll stop flip-flopping and just speculate other reasons what ever the grounds for doing that are!) One thing that comes to my mind is that Boro is a dangerous player, someone the wolves would like to get rid of, and as he was quite quiet yesterDay, he wouldn't have left much tracks to follow. Clean kill to eliminate a potential threat. And of course, we can never dismiss the possibility of the victim giving the wolves gifted vibes.

But these reasons aren't of much use until we have more deaths and can figure out a pattern or we can connect these reasons of killing Boro to some players. My best guess in this light is Morsul who first suggested Boro and Lottie were Shirriffs together. :p

Off to have a look at yesterDay (there was something very weird there) and possibly reply some points...

[Brinniel]

Loslote, I'm ready to believe you on your claim because it all does make sense, after seeing what went down at the very end of yesterDay. I guess we'll just have to see if anyone else makes the same claim. I doubt it, but in WW you never know. :rolleyes:

Fea's role as cobbler isn't exactly the most desired result from a lynch since we'd rather be lynching wolves, but catching the cobbler on Day One isn't too shabby and certainly better than seeing an actual innocent get lynched. For one thing, I think if left alive, Fea could've made out to be quite dangerous as cobbler, so I'm rather relieved we've denied her the opportunity to wreak havoc on the village.

There should be a lot to discuss from yesterDay. The ending was rather interesting, as votes seemed to be all over the place in this frantic attempt to save Loslote. While it's possible one of the Lottie voters is a wolf, I think it's just as likely if not more that at least one of the players trying to save her from getting lynched is a wolf. Defending or trying to save an innocent is a classic werewolf move in the attempt to make themselves look good. The last minute bandwagon attempt against Greenie is something worth looking at. I'm not sure how it all started, but at first glance it does look like the type of bandwagon that would be easy for a wolf to jump on. It's certainly something I want to look into later.

It's really late now, so I'll check further into yesterDay's events come tomorrow. Although I should be doing my homework then, it's the weekend, which means I'll probably spend more time than I should playing WW and being lazy, and then end up pulling another all-nighter come Sunday night. I really ought to learn to discipline myself better. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Oh wow, I actually x-posted. And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...

[Isabellkya]

We're no strangers to time
You know the rules and so do I
A wolf lynchings what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other player
I just want to tell you what I'm thinking
Gotta make you understand

Always gonna give you up
Never gonna be on time
Never gonna run around and not lynch you
Always gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye
Always gonna tell the truth and get you lynched

I've known you for this night
Your claws have been aching but you're too shy to say it
Outside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me what I'm thinking
Don't tell me you're too blind to see it

(ooooh give you up)
(ooooh give you up)
(oooh)always gonna give, always gonna give
(give you up)
(oooh)always gonna give, always gonna give
(give you up)

I've known you for this night
Your teeth have been aching but you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me what I'm thinking
Don't tell me you're too blind to see it

Always gonna give you up
Never gonna be on time
Never gonna run around and not lynch you
Always gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye
Always gonna tell the truth and get you lynched

;)

That is good to know that Loslote is the other Shirrriff. Though, it was kind o f obvious that there was sooome kind of connection.


X'd with Brin and Lommy.

[Thinlómien]

EDIT: Oh wow, I actually x-posted. And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...Hehe especially as it's like 11am here and not like 7am... :p Good night, Brinn! :D

[Loslote]

*jerks awake*

STOP BLOODY VOTING FOR PEOPLE WITH NO REASON!

Erm....hello. When did you all get here? And would you like some tea? Some....some tea....



*slumbers once more*


ETA: An introduction. *waves* Hello there, winty. I'm Sally. Nice to meet you, blah blah I really shouldn't have edited this in but felt the need to say 'hello' properly so there it is.

ETA #2: Also, winty dear, your vote should technically be placed on a separate line. Just so Wilwa's head doesn't explode.

IC, meaning less; tells people not to vote without reason, which seems helpful but is really fairly obvious.

*glances up*

Who are all you strange people? There's some young woman all in green and a little man skipping over the fence....pence....sense....



(I don't like the voting either. Rubbish, I say, rubbish. I'm very confused.)

Again, meaningless IC and dislikes the votes.

Little Lottie is being decidedly halfhearted. Even for Day One. Even for her.


I don't know. Maybe I'm just paranoid. (Again.) But you know what normally happens when everyone thinks I'm paranoid....

I'm just sayin'. (http://pics.livejournal.com/jaegamer/pic/0002kp4q/s320x240)


EDIT: x'd since Lottie's....erm, 59, I think?

Oh yeah, I'm being halfhearted. Because, of course, dear Sally's posted so much thoughtful stuffs so far.

*curls up on your shoulder, promptly falls asleep*

OI! GET YOUR FURRY LITTLE PAWS OFF MY SHIRRIFF!!! :p

I obviously need to read closer. What is all this seer nonsense?



Also, glad to see that Lommie agrees with me on Lottie. (Oooo, try saying that ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast .) Makes me feel not quite as crazy. And a little sleepy, for that matter....


EDIT: x'd with Legate

Is confused by the seer stuffs; half-jokes about Lommy's suspicion of me.

Sorry, dear, but could you clarify this? Do you mean you have any valid points on her or that she's the only one with valid points? I'm not sure what you mean.

Is confused by Greenie's rationale.

Oh, and I love retractable votes, but I'll just drive myself mad if I have a free pass to mindchanging sitting around. With that....

[*highlight]++Sally

--Sally[/highlight*]


I'm analyzing the votes so far, but please be patient, as I'm really scatterbrained today. That and....well, a nap sounds lovely....and Boro's shoulder is so comfy....

Gets rid of her retractables by voting herself (very cleverly done, btw, doesn't get anyone mad at you and leaves everyone feeling a bit better about you) and...

Get off Boro, please. MY Shirriff. Mine. ;)

K cool, thanks. I thought that's what she meant, but my brain is a bit....askew today and I didn't want to misunderstand. Thanks for the help! ^_^

Thanks Agan for explaining Greenie's rationale.

Ah, yes, do tell us all your evil plans. Tell us now!

*waits with baited....yes, I actually mean baited....breath*

Half-jokes about Morsul's evility.

I'M NOT IN THE TEA POT, YOU SILLY BUGGER!

asqedwscdecfdecdgfdfgfbgbfgbhtnhnhnyuhmi,m uji,jki,lk,.loo.;loo/l/;?[;/'['[/'

^*scrabbles across the keyboard to get away from mean Glirdan*^

IC posting with Glirdy.

A note:

I've a friend that's ill and am organizing a bit of "yay let's make the poor girl feel better" stuff. That said, I may or may not be going to a meeting in a couple hours (no, really, I haven't decided if I'm going yet or not) so I may not be around much. I'm working on analyzing the votes between all the other stuff but I don't seem to be able to multitask worth a muffin (<3) today so I'm a bit slow.

Warns that she might not be around.

Agreed. (Wow. We really are all mad here.) I think Lottie's suspicious, but I get sick of Day One lynching her.

And definitely agreed on Morsul. Hypocrites should always be the first to go. *nods sagely, head droops, starts to snore*

Suspects me but doesn't want to Day 1 lynch me; agrees about Morsul being suspicious. This is actually agreeing with Shasta's misreading. Just thought I'd point that out. She's not so much reading and forming impressions that other people are confirming; she's bandwaggoning.

Skippy (hehe!):

Instead of the B in the tag, type highlight. Easy as pie (in your eye). ^_^


EDIT: D'oh. x'd with Noggins, who was also using his noggin.

Explaining technicalities to SS.

Lol. You're great. I'm not entirely sure he's joking though, or at least that he's being completely innocent in said joke. But again, paranoid.

Backs off a bit on Morsul but leaves the option of suspecting him open.

The Europeans are clearly all evil and must be lynched.

(Really, this is true regardless of their role in the game. )

Is way joking about suspecting the Europeans - funny, considering that I think two of them are her packmates. Joking suspicion = distance. Nice little wolf-on-wolf without being too obvious about it.

I'm quite concerned with Legate's vote. I suspected Lottie before I even registered that people had been poking at her a lot, and he just seems to want to come along for the ride. It's very disconcerting.


Also, my mother called, so now I didn't get to do anything. Rubbish.


I have to vote in like ten minutes too.

Doesn't like Legate's vote. Now this I quite agree with. ;)

Now that was unexpected....

Is alarmed and surprised by Shasta voting for (her packmate?) Greenie. Bit of an overreaction, dear?

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

[*highlight]++Legate[/highlight*]


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

As poor dead Boro rightly pointed out, if she really wanted me to survive, she wouldn't have done this. Not only is it a throwaway vote, innocent!Sally would have waited until the last possible moment to make her vote count.

You, my dear, are insane.

But aren't we all!

(Which is to say that the meeting I was at got over superquick and I'm back.)

Jokingly doesn't deny my accusition that she was a wolf. (I believe this is what Nienna was talking about, also, dear - you acknoledge them, but you laugh them all off, and don't take it seriously.) Also says she's back.

Of course you wouldn't, even if I am! Oh, but you should, because you know me far too well and know my secrets.


Also, I totally almost double posted that last post. But I only hit 'submit' once. What the heck?



EDIT: The first line was supposed to say 'secrets', not secret. I corrected the typo, but wanted to let you lot know just in case.

Heh. *is sorry*

Yes, but she would also therefore be a good asset to the village. And besides, she's super busy, so she can't get up to too many hijinx this game.


I still fault this is egregiously poor reasoning. (And yes, I really just wanted to say egregious.)

Picks on newbieWW, an obvious fall-back for lynching. (Another is Legate, btw. Hmm...who voted him? Oh, right. Glirdy and Sally. Wait a minute! ... )

Coming from you, that means....next to nothing.


The new kit confuses me very much. Like, very much.

EDIT: x'd since Lottie

Still leaves a WW lynch open, and casts doubt on my denial of guilt.

You are so very cute when you're flustered. And I still say you're hiding something.

I was hiding something. Now you know what it is, doesn't she, Boro? (Not that it wasn't particularly obvious, in my opinion...we didn't bother to be subtle.)

K, so you know you really are paranoid when someone says "We've only had one Night" and you automatically go WOLF!

(No, that's not an accusation. That's me laughing at myself.)

Jokingly not-accuses Izzy.

Oi, I like my tests, thanks very much! They're normally very helpful. I mean yeah, they get me lynched a good portion of the time because no one understand them, but they help the village in the end (most of the time). Besides, they're fun.


Fifteen minutes-ish, yes?

Banter about her tests. I hope you don't run any this game, dear. They may be fun, but they sure are confusing.

Yeah, about that. I thought there might be a chance some other people would go for Legate, which is why I voted for him. My other hunch was Morsul, but I was pretty certain no one would go for that, and the other options at the time (if I remember correctly) were Brinn (erm, what?), winty (newbie pass, admittedly), and Mira (again, what?) so I really had to go with my gut. I didn't expect it to be a throwaway though.

And you have to consider that if Lottie suddenly changed her style, that would be just as suspicious as keeping the style she has now. So really, either way, she's screwed. She may as well have fun.

She says she voted for Legate because she thought people might go for him. Looking for an alternate bandwaggon because mine was looking too worrysome?

Also keeps an evil!Lottie option open.

I would if I thought the other candidates were rubbish. Which they are.

And I said I wouldn't kill Lottie. I didn't say I'd save her. There's a big difference. In fact, if you look back at my posts I think you'll find that I suspect her. Yes, I don't want her dead toDay, but if the choice is her or someone who I don't think is a wolf, I'll happily part company with her. (And as I said, I was hoping there would be continued support for a Legate lynch. I was sadly mistaken.)

Doesn't commit at all to me either way - doesn't want to see me dead but wouldn't really mind, either.

And your proof is where? I thought not. *pats your head anyway* And I quite like it that way, thanks. Means I get to stick around longer and help the village out. ^_^

Insists I have no proof of a wolf!Sally. Acts quite innocent.

Erm, no I didn't. I'm acknowledging them quite a lot, actually. In between giggles.

Still is treating her wolfness as a joke.

Yes, actually. I'd love to help! Help them out with life. Help them away from death. And most certainly help them out of Glirdan's tea, 'cause I like to take my evening baths in there. Better now?

Bit of "I'm innocent!" banter.

EVERYONE STAY OUT OF MY TEA!

AND FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, ENOUGH WITH THE RETRACTIONS!

GOOD GRAVY AND PINEAPPLE TEA, PEOPLE, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU....


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(I'm pretty sure I's gonna cross with the moddess.)

Complains about the (admittedly insane) end-Day retractions.

Lottie just lost the game.



Also, my internet's being rubbish so I'll have a look at stuff tomorrow or so and see if I can work out some more stuff. Well, until then I suppose I'm off. Later!


EDIT: x'd with Nienna.

Grrr. I just lost the game. *pokes you*

Oh my snap. Really? You've never heard of it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_%28mind_game%29)?

Converts (maybe) Nienna to Game-playing.

What she said. Oh, and before I go, what the heck happened at the end of the Day yesterDay? Don't get me wrong, yay dead cobbler, but a dead cobbler is not a dead wolf. Sally demands an....an expla.....explanat....some country.....

Is confused about what happened at end-Day. Basically, dear, you wolves were so close to lynching me that Boro and I had to kill whoever else we could, and Fea happened to be a lucky outcome. Greenie would have been better, but twas so chaotic we were lucky to lynch the cobbler as it was.

~~~

Conclusion: I still think Sally's a wolf, even more so than before. That Legate vote still looks very suspicious.

~~~

Also, edited out all of Silly Sally's smilies because I was very much over the image limit.

EDIT: xed since my last

[satansaloser2005]

*glares at Izzy* Oh, that's just not fair....I was gonna do that at some point. Mind, that's not going to stop me from possibly doing it later. ;)

x'd with Lottie

[Nerwen]

While it's possible one of the Lottie voters is a wolf, I think it's just as likely if not more that at least one of the players trying to save her from getting lynched is a wolf. Defending or trying to save an innocent is a classic werewolf move in the attempt to make themselves look good. The last minute bandwagon attempt against Greenie is something worth looking at. I'm not sure how it all started, but at first glance it does look like the type of bandwagon that would be easy for a wolf to jump on. It's certainly something I want to look into later.

I'd not ignore the Lottie-voters either. True, I don't want to fall into the "one of them has to be a wolf" trap, because I've played too many games where wolves have kept right out of a bandwagon. However, the circumstances of that particular one are quite odd.

EDIT:X'd since Brinn at #236.

[Loslote]

I'd not ignore the Lottie-voters either. True, I don't want to fall into the "one of them has them has to be a wolf" trap, because I've played too many games where wolves have kept right out of a bandwagon. However, the circumstances of that particular one are quite odd.

Okay, so who did vote me? In order: Fea, Lommy, Greenie, and Legate.

We already know that Fea was the Cobbler.

Lommy seems genuine to me, plus she was in the least suspicious position - just Fea's silly vote so far.

Legate also looks innocent to me, although mostly because he was Sally and Glirdy's fall-back option as a scapegoat.

So then, Greenie. Her vote post was apologetic, she voted when I was starting to lead the votes (prime bandwaggon spot) and claimed not to have any real reason. If there is a wolf among these four, and I think there is, I'd bet it's Greenie.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And Boro was a sherriff... which is kind of neutral Not good but he wasn't a seer or anything so that works.
It's not neutral, and it's negative - the Shiriffs talking together can be a powerful thing for the Innocent side. In a way, however, now at least we are sure about Loslote - at least until somebody would make a counter-claim (which would be quite nice, but I don't expect it to happen). Also, it makes perfect sense in the light of her late-yesterDay words like "I am not evil", given the fact that Shiriffs couldn't reveal. I am sure the Wolves have noticed this and also (I have to review yet how the close-to-DL posts went time-wise by timestamps) check the Borovote, if it really saved Lottie, then it must have been obvious. Then the WWs might have been easily thinking "well, Ranger probably would notice this too and would protect Lottie - so let's kill Boro just to be on the safe side!" And maybe there was a chance that some people will still suspect Lottie. So... that's what I think has happened here overNight.

As for Fea being the cobbler, I must say I am happy for the outcome and it seems we were quite lucky. It's not a Wolf, but we don't need to worry about the famous Aganzir's horror scenario, and this is also the only way to be sure and discern a Cobbler from an innocent.

So now I am going to recheck who voted whom and whatnot, and maybe come up with some thoughts. Good that Lottie is making her input, as a known innocent, please continue doing so :) And btw, no need to weep yet, there is still the possibility that Boro might return from the dead (unless you are targeted and killed at Night, however who knows what the Ranger does...)

And btw, some people yesterDay voiced suspicion about me according to my vote for Lottie, calling it that I jumped on a bandwagon or something, note please that I kept saying that I am going to vote her (and was quite firmly decided to do that) already quite early, and I was the first one to suspect her as far as I am aware (my post where I said it crossposted I think with somebody saying similar suspicion, but that's it). And for that matter, I didn't even realise for quite a long time that Fea's vote was for her as well (as I didn't think about the vote, considering it a "random vote" which, even more likely, is going to be retracted! - cf. Lommy's theory about that Fea cast it only to retract it later. Anyway, I wasn't considering the vote). So my vote was only my vote and that's also why I kept it even with the concern about "easy lynch crowd" (as I said in reply to Nogrod who voiced that concern).

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen and Lottie

[Loslote]

So now I am going to recheck who voted whom and whatnot, and maybe come up with some thoughts. Good that Lottie is making her input, as a known innocent, please continue doing so :) And btw, no need to weep yet, there is still the possibility that Boro might return from the dead (unless you are targeted and killed at Night, however who knows what the Ranger does...)

Ooh, yes! I forgot about that. *dries tears with a little white hanky* Okay, Unicorn, die now before there are any other competing innocents!

...jk. Don't die. Wolf die instead.

Anywho, Boro agreed most fervently about Greenie and Sally. He was not as enthusiastic about Agan and Glirdy, but he did agree that it was likely they were wolfly. He trusted Nienna and Mira most out of everyone who was him or me. Just in case you were wondering. :)

EDIT: xed with no one but I am sleepy, it's way way way too late, and I'm off to the land of wonders, where I shall dream of waking dead and happier times when no wolf threatened my village. Or chocolate, which ever ends up in my dreams. :p

[Thinlómien]

Loslote, why are you so sure the wolf quartet is Greenie, Agan, Glirdan and Sally?

And while you answer, I'm really off to check yesterDay. (What did I do before? Checked my bank account - I had got money, yay!, e-mails and had breakfast... ;))

[Loslote]

Loslote, why are you so sure the wolf quartet is Greenie, Agan, Glirdan and Sally?

And while you answer, I'm really off to check yesterDay. (What did I do before? Checked my bank account - I had got money, yay!, e-mails and had breakfast... ;))

Right, one more post.

I've said why I think Sally's a wolf.

Boro and I agreed most fervently that Greenie was a wolf based on her vote, general air of apologeticness, and other behaviors that I'll mention in the analysis post I will make tomorrow (as in tomorrow, not toMorrow).

Glirdy's actions scream wolf (especially his Shasta vote - vote someone who looks not at all suspicious because he voted for your packmate? :rolleyes:).

Agan was a main advocate of my death, but didn't actually vote me and thus stayed out of the spotlight. She mostly seemed to be helping quite a bit but didn't really do much in terms of real contribution.

I'll analyze the other three in the morning. For now, I'm too tired and anything I post will be silly.

[Aganzir]

Okay I don't have too much time now...

*is sad about Boro's death* :(

First off, I'm quite surprised Fea turned out to be the cobbler.
Me too but I'm happy she was lynched in the end. That's what happens when you think you know better what Fea is doing...

four wolves who can think together and they might be rereading the thread overNight.
No s*it Sherlock! :D
I don't think the connection was that obvious either. While skimming through the thread in the night I noticed there might be something between them, but I didn't actually think they were the Shirriffs. However it's likely that the wolves spend more time looking for possible connections than the innocents. But on the other hand, Lottie might have been a relatively easy lynch today... So I don't really know.

And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...
Good morning Brinn! :-p And to be honest I'm quite surprised that Lommy is posting as early as at 11.

Lottie I'll have to go through sally myself before judging her but I think you're maybe a bit too subjective in your analysis (at least Lommy and Macalaure are allowed to laugh at this comment). Like, you've already decided she's a wolf so you consequentially see everything she says or does in that light.
And yeah this is Aganwolf defending her fellow and whatnot (by the way last night I had a dream I was a wolf. Inzil was too).

Loslote, why are you so sure the wolf quartet is Greenie, Agan, Glirdan and Sally?
I'd like to know that too (and not only because I'm one of her wolves) and I would totally be suspecting her because of it if she wasn't the other Shirriff... Because I have yet to see a day 1 when someody pins down all the wolves at once (oh wait I did that in Mith's game! But granted it was jokingly ;-)).

Okay a proper look at yesterday now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, rechecked the votes and also noticed that Boro accompanied his vote with "sorry hun, duty is forcing me to make this choice". Which, basically, is a big note saying "there is something going on here" - although it looks like he said it just to apologize to Fea whom he even might have thought innocent. Anyway, adding two and two together... it's really clear to see now where the WWs were (I'd say almost 99%) coming from.

Otherwise... if I were to assume that there is at least one Wolf in each of the bandwagons, which might as well not be the case, given that Wolves might have been just throwing away votes all over the place and making the village do the bad work... on the other hand, in my experience, the innocents are usually far more straightforward with their votes, i.e. if they have a suspicion, they go for it no matter that nobody else follows them, unlike WWs - of course depending on the particular WW, but I just think it's somehow more likely that way.

Anyway, what was I originally saying. If I had like a gun pointed at me right now and be told "say one name from each bandwaggon", from the Fea bandwaggon, I'd think of either Nogrod or Brinn, as skip who started it sounded reasonable and it was not a bandwaggon yet. Then maybe Brinn more than Nogrod, however I admit I'd have to reread Nog's posts one more time (and Brinn's maybe too, though I think I remember them better as there were less of them), as Nog generally speaks sense (well, Brinn does too, but...) but Brinn seems more "creepy". But in general, I consider both of them quite innocent and reasonable. There is however one important thing to take into account - would the Wolves dare to kill Boro toNight if there was one of them in the Fea bandwaggon? As that'd leave quite a few people, and if somebody took the idea that "now there is a Wolf in Fea's voters, I am sure of it!" there will be quite a large chance for the Wolf there being caught. Not that, on the other hand, there wasn't much of a difference - if Boro was alive and Lottie killed instead, he would probably reveal anyway and thus there will be again only 3 people left. Of course, it all comes down to how much the Wolves did think of at Night, which we can't determine. It could also have been perceived just as a "well, whatever" or "let's do it, we hope that people are not going to examine Fea's voters, thinking that she was a Cobbler so no Wolf voted her" (that would be a rather lame thinking, so I don't assume we have such simple Wolves). In other words, btw, it made me think that this must have been a really baaad Night for the WWs. "This Day went just wrong!" Quite a broken spirit, eh, dear furry stalking friends?

But I think the middle way would make the most sense, that the WWs just did what they had to, and now hoped the Fea voters won't be looked at. Okay, now actually along this train of thought, I have arrived somehow to being more inclined to believe that there might have been a Wolf among Fea voters more probably. If so, then I'd really put my bets on Brinn, as if you look at what she said toDay early, she started assuming a Wolf in Lottie-saving bandwaggon, but she explicitely named Greenie-wagon to be looked at, which could mean downplaying Fea-voters (of whom she is one)... and the more if Greenie was another fellow Wolf of hers.

However, note that this is a theory now made as my thoughts go, following the original premises. As for the other one, Lommy and Greenie are equally good choices for me to find a Wolf in the other bandwaggon if I were to look for it, maybe with having a few more reasons to think Lommy innocent for things she said yesterDay. But anyway, only speculating.

Then there of course would be another, wait, two Wolves among the rest! For that matter, sally's vote's been mentioned yesterDay as somewhat out-of-place and I sort of agree, if nothing else, it was inconsistent with what sally said. It wouldn't be a problem otherwise, but I think Nog or who was it had a point in saying that if sally wanted to save Lottie (resp. create a contest-bandwaggon), she would vote for somebody who already had a vote, and not me who didn't have a vote at all. I don't know if there was much of a chance to lynch me at the point (it didn't seem to me so much), so not sure if I can believe sally's explanation. (And that said, what I said above about innocents sticking to their votes won't certainly apply in this case - as that was not the reason sally stated, she came up with the somewhat strange explanation that she wanted to save Lottie.) Anyway... I am keeping my eye on her now.

Now otherwise, I'd need to look at people again... but I have at least somewhat settled the thoughts for myself.

EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Aganzir]

Agan was a main advocate of my death, but didn't actually vote me and thus stayed out of the spotlight. She mostly seemed to be helping quite a bit but didn't really do much in terms of real contribution.
Ah ha! Main advocate? I don't think so. I thought other people (Greenie at least) had good points about you and I found you suspicious, but it was not enough to vote for you. I suspected Mira and Morsul more. And if I had voted for you, you'd accuse me of jumping into the bandwagon now, eh?
And what's this real contribution you're talking about? How is your contribution different from or better than mine?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Anywho, Boro agreed most fervently about Greenie and Sally. He was not as enthusiastic about Agan and Glirdy, but he did agree that it was likely they were wolfly. He trusted Nienna and Mira most out of everyone who was him or me. Just in case you were wondering. :)
out of everyone who was not him or you, you wanted to say, I assume. Anyway... in contrary to people wondering about Lottie's suspects, I suggest we really consider them strongly (especially those which they agreed on). Of course, they are subjectively biased by the fact that it's two Shiriffs who have something in common who are making them, but the fact that two innocent people can communicate and agree on somebody is worth taking into account. Of course a bunch of innocents can be misled by pursuing the same illusion (and it happens all the time), but still - two brains know more than one. How many PMs did you guys exchange, Lottie? Especially the last Night? (Not sure if you are any longer around, but anyway, I think this might be a good thing to say anyway, as for us to take into account in the future - the more you've been able to put together the better.) For that matter, did you or Boro have any fears as to that you might be targeted at Night? (Like that Boro's apology to Fea in the last minute... when I saw it, it seemed like rather an unfortunate thing to say.)

I don't think the connection was that obvious either. While skimming through the thread in the night I noticed there might be something between them, but I didn't actually think they were the Shirriffs. However it's likely that the wolves spend more time looking for possible connections than the innocents. But on the other hand, Lottie might have been a relatively easy lynch today... So I don't really know.
Curious. As I haven't been skimming through the thread much, but I haven't noticed any connection between them, however, thinking about Lottie (wondering whether she is a Wolf or not), I remembered that "I am not evil" saying of her, and came to the conclusion that if I were to believe her, then it basically screams Shiriff, as they are the ones who are not allowed to reveal - so that's as most as she could have said. But maybe your brain is just not as clever as mine :p or then you are intentionally misleading us (rather clumsily, though) in trying to say that you weren't part of any Night planning.

That said, whereas Agan is starting to slightly annoy me again, I still want to keep myself in check and I don't think she is a Wolf, actually. Not this time. And at least I would hope I am right.