Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Boro

Hmm...Lal might be creeping back up in my suspicions too. She's been saying some really strange stuff today (constantly saying she's going to be wolf-meat tonight?) Lal is an experienced wolf and I can't pin her behaviour as a wolf. She is making her activity known today, drawing attention to herself, so she could be the cobbler, just out to confuse us and try to turn the discussion away from the people she thinks are wolves.

I don't like this one at all. The first part couldn't possibly be more generic ("strange stuff"). Then, as far as I'm aware, Lal is not an experienced wolf (third game, one time wolf, or do I mix things up?). This is a very old way of making someone look bad: just say that s/he is an experienced/dangerous wolf. It doesn't even need a context. Of course, you take it back right away and talk about cobblers and confusions.

I do think Rikae's and Nerwen's points against Lal have merit. This, however, along with the following vote, looks like an attempt to start a bandwaggon.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I don't like this one at all. The first part couldn't possibly be more generic ("strange stuff"). Then, as far as I'm aware, Lal is not an experienced wolf (third game, one time wolf, or do I mix things up?). This is a very old way of making someone look bad: just say that s/he is an experienced/dangerous wolf. It doesn't even need a context. Of course, you take it back right away and talk about cobblers and confusions.

I do think Rikae's and Nerwen's points against Lal have merit. This, however, along with the following vote, looks like an attempt to start a bandwaggon.

I've been a wolf just the once!

Actually, Boro could be the cobbler, spying an ideal opportunity to get my lynched following my points about how wolves pick out victims from the early nominations and how, therefore, my card are marked. And he does make the point that cobblers try and act in a confusing way - which he does!

And on that note, Isabellkya could also be one.

Where are the lurkers and shirkers anyway? Don't think you're getting away with it by hiding!

[Nerwen]

The Gwath-Nogrod thing...

I don't know what to think about Gwath... I can't get a read on him, and I did think his Day 1 post on Rikae was disingenuous.

But then, I'm also not keen on the way Nogrod and Mithalwen jumped on him when he said he would take Mith's word about CaptainofDespair's record, even though she "could be a wolf be as well".

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

How that pointing out that COD isn't an unsphisticated thinker makes me a wolf is beyond me.

Especially since he just agreed with Nogrod that it was unlikely that a COD voter were a wolf.

++Gwathagor

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And why would Mith lie about CoD's abilities or history, how could lying in that kind of matters help her in the first place?

So who could make such a point then (Gwath's point that is)?

Someone with really original, basically idiosyncratic thinking-processes?
Someone who writes without thinking?
A nervous wolf under pressure trying to mirror anything so that people would talk of something else than him?

I think Gwath is none of the two first ones.

Which seems to me to be quite an over-reaction... also skirting the point Gwath was making initally, which is that it's not safe to assume people on a wolf's "suspect" list are not guilty (referring to Nogrod's "working-hypotheses" (#163) that both the people who voted CaptainofDespair and those he claimed to suspect –Macalaure, Rikae and Boro– could be assumed to be innocent).

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I don't like this one at all. The first part couldn't possibly be more generic ("strange stuff"). Then, as far as I'm aware, Lal is not an experienced wolf (third game, one time wolf, or do I mix things up?). This is a very old way of making someone look bad: just say that s/he is an experienced/dangerous wolf. It doesn't even need a context. Of course, you take it back right away and talk about cobblers and confusions.

I don't like it either... especially as I had been testing Lal to see if she was going to sprout fur, and had just concluded she probably wasn't.

Who else has played with her before?

EDIT: X'd since Rikae at #229.
EDIT 2: fixed quotes.