Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

Boo. Sorry Greenie.

However-

KNOWN INNOCENT HIGH FIVE o/

I did tell you. Still, I suppose being a known innocent makes a nice change.

Originally Posted by phantom

IF you are innocent you need to give up the idea of testing me and just trust me.

Wishful thinking, love. Not testing you for the time being? Sure. Trusting you? No way, barring a Seer reveal.

Originally Posted by Agan

Yeah, if Boro is the seer he's keeping very quiet about his dreams. Which makes sense considering how many times he stressed the seer's main asset is the number of dreams.

I hadn't thought of that, but whether the Seer is Boro or someone else, they could be trusting that their dreams can be transmitted to the Living after they die via a Ranger or a Lover, and thus leave less hints than they normally would to avoid detection from two wolf packs on the lookout for them. It's risky that way, too, of course, and leaving a lot to chance, but it's a possibility.

Originally Posted by Legate

Anyway, the only remark to what I've seen: sorry for probably making you waste your check-vote on Greenie (seems to me you did so because you thought I might be the Seer so she could be Wolf). For that matter, apologies Greenie for the suspicion, so you apparently were just enjoying yourself and being happy because of having lot of time to play, not because of being a Wolf. But all that said, still it's good because now we can be sure and all that. However, if we can choose (of course depending on what happens on the Living thread toDay), I really think you should have checked the phantom, and that's what I would put on the to-do list for the future.

Erm... what? You were super convinced I was a wolf, and yet you think we should have checked phantom instead of me? Really?

Originally Posted by Mac

Jawohl!

Also, I adore you two. And Rikae? You are a troll and I adore you too. <3

I'm kind of hoping the Seer, whoever s/he is, will reveal toDay because the village is clueless (my condolences, it must be frustrating). But I mean - seriously considering the purposeful lynch of a Lover? Seriously?

[Nogrod]

This isn't going very well... but it's fun nonetheless!

But really with two extra-kills and none avoided we're behind an already tight schedule with regards to our chances of really helping the Living. With 1/3 of people here and only two known innocents - and no known wolves - we're doing pretty bad.

Add to that the latest fact that we don't know who of last Night's kills was the special-role kill.

Haha. I know I was against an intentional tie on D1, but had I known this is where we get, well I might have thought differently.


If we have a lover or a ranger here now (who has stayed anonymous) or one is lynched toDay, we can send that person back on D4 (right? like if the gifted died during the Night s/he will remain here until the Day after the next and not return immediately?) with two names - to a Living village of (most probably) 12 players left.

If we're able to send info on D5, it will be three names to a village of (probably) only 9 left.

So I do hope the Seer is making this sort of calculations as the number of villagers really is dwindling pretty fast.

Optimistic opening for the Day from me, I can see.

I'll be back later with hopefully something more constructive to say.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

She says a lot including the comment that "I am not going there (the dead thread) alone" (my italic). To my mind that is as good a hint as you could get that she is the hunter and given that her death triggered Greenie's I think that is more likely than the special role the bear trap quote not withstanding.

Yaaay somebody noticed!

Nog, if sally (or another lover) is lynched today, she'll spend all of day 4 here and will be back among the living on day 5 - at least that's how I understood it. Unless they find her lover (although to be fair, sally hasn't said a whole lot about people, and knowing the speciality of their role, the lovers would be extra careful not to leave hints).

I hope she's not lynched but left to the wolves, though. That would tell us so much more - if neither pack attacks her, it would imply a member of each is here. Etc.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Nog, if sally (or another lover) is lynched today, she'll spend all of day 4 here and will be back among the living on day 5 - at least that's how I understood it.

That much is obvious. I was uncertain about a situation where the lover / ranger is killed by Night, not when s/he is lynched by Day

Lynched gifted stays here one Night (24 hours) and goes back for the next Day. Simple. But if the gifted is Night-killed, will s/he then reside here 1Day + 1Night (48 hours) or will s/he be thrown into some kind of a limbo for the Night (to be here only 24 hours)?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That much is obvious. I was uncertain about a situation where the lover / ranger is killed by Night, not when s/he is lynched by Day

Lynched gifted stays here one Night (24 hours) and goes back for the next Day. Simple. But if the gifted is Night-killed, will s/he then reside here 1Day + 1Night (48 hours) or will s/he be thrown into some kind of a limbo for the Night (to be here only 24 hours)?

Whoops, sorry. Yeah, that's how I understood it - one day cycle meaning at least 48 hours. If she came back at the beginning of the night, the wolves could just finish her off again.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Adding this as reference to what I just said:

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Yes.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If she came back at the beginning of the night, the wolves could just finish her off again.

Obviously. therefore I was wondering about some kind of a limbo...

But yes, it sounds more practical that a Night killed visiting-gifted just stays here longer than a Day-lynched one.

[Nogrod]

Just a minute - seeing Legate's Kuru-quote...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hm, total chaos there in the Living thread. The biggest problem is, I am afraid even if they come up with some "pass us info via extra vote"-scheme, they will totally say something like "okay, if Nogrod was innocent, give vote to X, if he was not, give vote to Y", and then we are like "great, we didn't actually check Nogrod, you know"...

Anyway, this lynching of lover is total madness. Especially since if they are lynched (as opposed to killed), now it's been confirmed the remaining lover has to survive one phase longer. (For what it's worth, it makes me think Eomer is like totally evil for suggesting that ridiculousness in the first place, and Firefoot is innocent because she's been posting deeply sensible stuff today.)

So that said...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That much is obvious. I was uncertain about a situation where the lover / ranger is killed by Night, not when s/he is lynched by Day

Lynched gifted stays here one Night (24 hours) and goes back for the next Day. Simple. But if the gifted is Night-killed, will s/he then reside here 1Day + 1Night (48 hours) or will s/he be thrown into some kind of a limbo for the Night (to be here only 24 hours)?

So as I said, Kuru just confirmed that she comes back Morning in any case, if I am not mistaken. I would assume she'd join us as soon as she dies, so if she is lynched, she will be with us for the Night, and thus spend Night, Day, Night with us and then go back. If her Lover survives three phases. They are all mad.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I feel obliged to chime in here to say that you should not place that interpretation on it. Kills are always posted in the narrations in the order they either happen in the Living Thread or the names are turned in by the killers.

It is sequence of events, nothing more.

I just wrote it the way I did because it amused me.

Okay, that makes it clear (or doesn't actually, but yes in the case that I was also wondering whether I am here for some totally different reason and am especially marked there. Seems like not. So now it's up to what in the name of all is happening here).

Originally Posted by Macalaure

*double-checks rules to make sure there are no cobblers in the game*

Ok, this is perfectly in line with what an ordo-Rikae would do, so that makes me inclined to trust her.

Would a wolf-Rikae do, too? I think my dear old friend Riesling may have the answer.

You two are brilliant Just saying.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Did you see the latest developments on the Living thread? If Sally is seriously going to reveal and purposefully ask to get lynched, why don't we just flippin give up. Geez. I mean, she only gets to return to the living IF her Lover stays alive, and the Wolves will have FOUR shots at that lover (plus the following day's lynch). Why take that risk? Why give up the opportunity to lynch a Wolf to purposefully lynch a Gifted that is unlikely to gain you any benefit?!

I also assume that's your confession that you are totally definitely not any Lover after all

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Erm... what? You were super convinced I was a wolf, and yet you think we should have checked phantom instead of me? Really?

Well, not really really, since then I would keep thinking you are a Wolf (and half the Dead with me, at least). Maybe that was bad phrasing, but I meant it mostly that checking the phantom is among one of the first things I would have done, and would suggest to do it in the future.

Although now, of course I started thinking about checking one of our other two newcomers... meh. I liked the way Rikae tried to stir things up here, just thinking about Mac's reaction to that. Btw I totally hope those two are not Wolves together and this was an ad-hoc performance for our entertainment, that would kill me. (Oops... sorry, forgot I am already dead.)

But if I go with common sense (or plain impression, rather), I would be ok with thinking Rikae innocent and Mac's reaction to her reveal nothing horrible either. But then we are back to the question: whom should we check? And since some have mentioned it, in regards to checking me, obviously I'll tell you it's a waste, I'm totally normal innocent.

In any case, for that, let's consider if we get anything out of checking a person besides their own role. (As in, connections...)

But we don't get to do it until the Night, right? And now we should think about empowering somebody on the Living thread, or whatnot? (Gotta go reread that thread, didn't have chance to do it yet, just woke up. Yeah...)

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'm kind of hoping the Seer, whoever s/he is, will reveal toDay because the village is clueless (my condolences, it must be frustrating). But I mean - seriously considering the purposeful lynch of a Lover? Seriously?

Exactly, it should happen, because the Wolves would totally kill the Seer toDay, I mean the chances are ridiculously high at this point. So let's hope.