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Illustrious Ulair
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Actually, a few years back the BBC produced some animated versions of Shakespeare's plays, using narration & original text, which would serve far better as introductions: Hamlet http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sFDb8S...elated&search= The Tempest http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7SeJza...elated&search= (They also produced adaptations of The Canterbury Tales, btw) |
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Yeah, yeah. We get your intellectual outrage. blah. The comics are intended to spark an interest in Shakespeare, not replace his work. It sounds to me like the kids these are intended for would either get very little out of reading Shakespeare (due to their lack of interest), or wouldn't read him at all.
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Illustrious Ulair
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Well, there's a real danger that they might not be able to tell the difference between Dylan & Keats when they grow up.
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I don't see the disaster, though. Kids come out of high school not knowing the difference between capitalism and communism, too; they're not given any sort of perspective on Pearl Harbor and the horrific culmination of U.S. retaliation; they're made to read Hemingway and completely ignore Dostoevsky; they learn to sing Disney songs in music class instead of being exposed to Chopin and Dvorak. There's a lot of things to whine about when it comes to education. So what? It'd be nice if everybody's idea of what constitutes a meaningful education could be fulfilled in tax-supported schools, but it's not going to happen, and a comic book used to spark an interest in Shakespeare is better than ignoring him altogether, whether deliberately through curriculum, or through the kids' lack of interest. Whether Dylan is "greater" than Keats remains a matter of opinion, regardless of how hard you blow. |
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Edit: Just so we're clear, I don't know much about Keats or Dylan. I've probably been exposed to an equal amount of each, and didn't really put much effort into either of them. If we were to go into it, you might be able to convince me to agree with you. That's beside the point, though. This guy believes that Dylan is a greater poet than Keats. When someone says "Dude 1 is greater than Dude 2," I hear nothing more than an opinion being voiced, and while I may wonder why they hold an opinion that seems so backwards, I know that it would be literally impossible to prove the point one way or another. Last edited by obloquy; 08-20-2007 at 03:42 PM. |
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Illustrious Ulair
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And the whole point I'm making, btw, is not that young children should be thrown in at the deep end & given no help in understanding Shakespeare. If you look at the links to the animated Shakespeare I gave earlier, you'll see some very clever ways 'in'. The problem with these versions is not that they give children a way 'in', but that they focus purely on plot & not on poetry. This is like trying to teach about Wordsworth by producing comic books full of pictures of clouds & daffodils. Quote:
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And yet, we seem to be going round in circles here. We'll probably have to agree to disagree. Or to get back to Tolkien - is 'boss' a good translation of 'master'? Or would 'Meister' be better?
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Its not particularly controversial and it's perfectly good teaching practice - in your average mixed ability class, you could have some kid with an IQ of 55, or a kid who arrived from Poland or Somalia a month ago and can barely speak the language. You've got to teach them too, not just the kid who's going to get an A*, but in order to do so you have to give them different learning materials to help them access the curriculum at whatever level they can. KIds in the UK have to study closely a set Shakespeare text - including use of language, dramatic effects of various scenes etc - for their English SATs at Key Stage 3 (aged 14) they also have to study another set text for their GCSEs - both in English and English Literature. That isn't going to change any time soon, whatever the scaremongers say. But of course Keats is greater than Dylan. It's not about personal preference - Milton is also greater than Dylan, and I find Milton boring as hell. (There, I've said it.) Now that I've disagreed with both of you, I'll depart.
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