Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If you don't want to go with my feelings on McCaber today so be it. But get the cobbler out of the way, and I'm asking you trust my instinct that it's Lal.

If I'm wrong, I'll vow one day of silence.

I'll trust you for now but maybe I am following like a sheep whose wool has been pulled over its eyes...

[Durelin]

Deadline.

Lalwendë has been lynched. She was the Cobbler!

[Durelin]

Night 5 has ended.

Nilpaurion Felagund has been killed. He was the Seer!

Day 5 begins!


~The Dead~

Leonard Nimoy (Half-Vulcan) ~ illogically murdered by the wolves
CaptainofDespair (Wererat) ~ Crushed on Day 1 to reveal his Dark Side
Day One (Evil Wizard) ~ Brought down alongside the might of Cluny the Scourge
Kath (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Tortured and ripped apart by the wolves on Night 2
Gwathagor (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Assassinated by con-goers on Day 2.
Brinniel (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Made really dead on Night 3.
satansaloser2005 (Werewolf) ~ Day 3
Rikae (Ordinary Innocent) ~ Night 4
Lalwendë (Cobbler) ~ Day 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Seer) ~ Night 5


~The Living~

Nerwen - Jedi Master, specializing in memorabilia collecting and movie quoting
Feanor of the Peredhil - Rabid Cosmo fan and TOS-TNG Trekkie with opinions
Boromir88 - Fireworks Pyro and Sean Bean's #1 fan
Nogrod - "Spore" anticipator who wants to play Eru
McCaber - Old School RPer
Shastanis Althreduin - Rabid Hermione Fan-wizard
Mithalwen - Confused hardcore Tolkienista who thought she was going to Oxonmoot
Isabellkya - Rabid fan of Vampire Princess Miyu
Macalaure - "Civilization" fan with Machiavellian tendencies

[Mithalwen]

Aieee .... my boy ..... Sad mummie.....
but I will try to avenge your death rather than speak more of it.

So that leaves us with :



Nogrod - Known innocent
Shastanis Althreduin - Known innocent
Mithalwen - Known by me to be innocent.

Isabellkya -
Macalaure -
Nerwen -
Feanor of the Peredhil -
Boromir88
McCaber -

One of the last five is a wolf.
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The ranger could be anyone else since I assume Nilp had the wit not to out a fellow gifted pointlessly and I see n advantage in them outing themselves. Clearly Nogrod and Shasta are most vulnerable but if the wolf goes for them there is a 50% save chance . If the go for one of the rest it makes it easier.

So we are in a good but not invincible position. And without Lalwende distracting us we may hear ourselves think.

Current order of suspicion is probably

McCaber/Nerwen - joint favourites
Issy
Fea
Boro
Macalaure - but I need to look at him still.

[Boromir88]

Well that's kind of shocking.

I appreciated it when Boro took a look at him, but voting him based on that is over the top.~Mac

Who do you think I am Mac? I knew it was a thow-away vote, and I knew McCaber was in no way going to get lynched. This is a game about "evidence," but evidence can be manipulated. So, like Fea said this is a game also about reactions as much as anything else, and reactions can be twisted/taken the wrong way. Hence why I use a healthy dose of both. I knew McCaber wouldn't be lynched, and Nogrod said the exact reasons why, as much as I could argue McCaber looks guilty, the exact opposite argument could be made. So, why did I throw away my vote? To cause a stir and host of reactions of course.

Don't really need to say this, because Nogrod is innocent, but he reacted exactly as I expected:

It really seems looking back at the things that he has been a bit too right - and I can see if you will be upset by this claim if you happen to be an innocent who just got it so right this time McCaber! But that's really a performance a bit too good to be true!

Anyway... I'm not sure I'd wish to lynch him toDay. I mean even if the case looks nice there are probably stronger reasons not to believe it (would McCaber want to be left alone against 10 villagers with seer & ranger around?). But it is good the points on McCaber were made for if he is indeed the wolf he can't now ride with the free ticket of extra-credibility anymore in the end did things go that far...

For whatever it's worth Mac, you reacted as I expected. For you, I was watching whether you would latch on to my suspicions, but you didnt. Both you and Nerwen raised reasonable questions to consider and thus decided I was a cobbler or some kind of crazy man.

Fea's reaction was nothing surprising. She still has an unquenchable obsession to find out my role (by lynching me), so she can be sure. I don't get it, she always thinks the worst of me, and seems to take too much joy into thinking I'm a bold-faced liar who is pulling off the most unbelievable bluff imaginable.

Mith did follow on with my vote, but that also isn't suprising, since the argument I used was straight from Mith's motto as a wolf - "Don't look like you're so certain about everything."

I don't think I heard anything out of Izzy about it, just that she thinks McCaber's probably innocent. Were you trying to stay out of it Izzy, or did you just think I'm an insane whack-job and thus didn't pay heed to it?

And as I said I don't like McCaber's retaliation vote.

Here is where I can explain myself a little better. It really isn't about what Rikae said, who she voted for at all, well it is but that's not the crux of the argument. That was kind of my last minute ramblings as I was in a hurry to leave, from my lunch break. I noticed Rikae voted for McCaber on Day 2, and Sally on Day 3, after Sally is lynched Rikae ends up dead. Thus I saw an interesting connection that perhaps the wolves believed Rikae was the seer, and if McCaber was already under he suspicions (though Rikae wasn't sure), and McCaber's a wolf, just like they did with Brinn...maybe he wanted to get to Rikae before she found out for sure.

But, that's not the crux of my argument, the real pie to it all is McCaber's post 451 yesterday. Where he tries to force the fact that both him and Mac are proven innocents finally (that is not true):

So are we finally clear that Mac and Iare innocent? Good.

And his hastiness to turn towards the 5 "suspicious" people and kill them...after all that should be easy right? Because their voting record obviously isn't as clean as McCaber's:

And I figure that between the mob killings and the seer dreams we can kill/exonerate the five (or so) SPs (suspicious persons) remaining without much difficulty. I hope it doesn't come to that, though.

It was then when I turned back to look at just how squeaky clean his record has been. Voting for wolves all 3 days, and his feelings that Gwath and Nogrod were innocent (both true). His feeling that I was innocent, but when I turned up the pressure I suddenly became the cobbler (you were right the former there McCaber).

Call it luck, but I don't think anyone's record is that spotless unless they know too much information. I mean you've nabbed two wolves Mac, that is very good, but you have been wrong about me, Brin, and others in this game. I was right on Lal, but I was horribly wrong about CoD. I'm sorry McCaber's been a little too good to be lucky.

[Mithalwen]

I have to go but will be back earlier tomorrow but I voted Mc Caber because he was the only of my main WOLF suspects who I stood a chance of being lynched. I was certain that Lal was teh cobbler and prepared to ignore her.

[McCaber]

But Boro, your points break down when you consider that every single post of mine on Days 2 & 3 was focused on bringing sally down. If I were simply voting her without bringing much else against her, I could see that. But for a while I was the only one harping about her Day 1 vote. I don't think a wolf would devote every waking moment towards killing a packmate.

I will agree that my retaliation vote was over the top. Sorry.

EDIT: crossed with Mith

[Nogrod]

Oh my... sure it is a number one priority for the wolf to kill the seer - not the least when people start to make fun of it and to actually try to puzzle the wolf and lead her/him into other directions (eg. setting the seer-save up saving also the know innocents in that way...). The wolf can't take the risk - I mean the risk of not trying to kill the seer and to miss him the next Night as well. Maybe our hunter thought s/he was gambling in some interesting way I can't get... Well, we'll have to do without Nilp then.

By the way McCaber there are a few funny things in your post... Like this:

I will agree that my retaliation vote was over the top. Sorry.

And this:

But Boro, your points break down when you consider that

Talking about the position from where these kinds of things come from...


Darn I'd have loved to have know whether Nerwen is to be trusted or lynched...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I don't understand why the Ranger listened to Nilp and chose not to protect him. I seriously don't understand. Can somebody tell me why it would be a good idea not to protect the known Seer at night? Anybody?

[Macalaure]

Ah! The ranger really did gamble! Now we're pretty much as smart as yesterday... but at least the cobbler is gone.

Originally Posted by Boro

Who do you think I am Mac?

That "some kind of crazy man" you mentioned up there... that comes kinda close.
Well, I admit you look better now. This was surely an interesting trap, even though it didn't seem to have worked out entirely. Yesterday, I thought you were trying to get someone lynched who was widely regarded as innocent - with so many known innocents around (4 if Nilp had been saved), the wolf would be looking to get people lynched who were unlikely to get lynched otherwise and wo he therefore usually would kill. I could see an ingenious scheme with your position today as plan B, but for now I will stick to less far-fetched scenarios.

Originally Posted by Boro

Call it luck, but I don't think anyone's record is that spotless unless they know too much information.

I still have a hard time believing that. Only a young newbie wolf would use his additional information that carelessly. I wouldn't want to lynch somebody who has been that wrong unless there is harder evidence.


I think I need a fresh impression of the past votings.

[Isabellkya]

I don't think I heard anything out of Izzy about it, just that she thinks McCaber's probably innocent. Were you trying to stay out of it Izzy, or did you just think I'm an insane whack-job and thus didn't pay heed to it? ~Boro

I think a mixture of insane whack-job, running out of time, and it is crazy enough it could be true.


X'ed with Fea.