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Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:02 PM

Once agan, Nog, you're barking up the wrong tree - and I hate to see you wasting what's probably your last day here looking at me.

Different seers have different tactics - sure - but the majority tend to choose loud players who are considered dangerous or hard to read, especially when they attract a lot of attention, as I have done (on a slightly OT note, why am I everyone's "random" vote choice in this game?)

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I understand that if you were a baddie seen to the seer (so not the lover but the actual baddie) the seer might come out and claim that fact openly - if you were just a lover wasn't it that you would be seen as an innocent only? But you are not a known innocent and no one has stood to defend you - and no one has tried to kill you either by Day or Night!

Di made a point of saying that there were no werewolves, that this was a "lovers game". I assume that means all our baddies are "lovers", and, to be any use at all, the seer can see them.
The baddies could also conclude I've probably been dreamt of, for the same reasons I can conclude it. Plenty of people have been after me by Day, every Day - where have you been? I hope the seer doesn't come forward to defend me, which was part of my point.

EDIT: X'd with Nog

Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 05:06 PM

As you're around Rikae, what do you think of Mac?

I might vote him...

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

As you're around Rikae, what do you think of Mac?

I might vote him...

Like I said earlier, I've put him at a lower level of suspicion because he seemed calm and didn't overreact to accusations.
In addition, I'll also mention (sorry to bring in meta-things) that he's hosting a party tonight and hasn't really slept in two days, so when he turns up he probably will just vote (if that) and go to bed. I wouldn't want to go after him when he couldn't defend himself, personally.

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-31-2008, 05:14 PM

I'm going to a Halloween party, and this will be my absolute last chance to get on the computer today.

++McCaber

Happy Halloween/Samhain, everyone.

Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

In addition, I'll also mention (sorry to bring in meta-things) that he's hosting a party tonight and hasn't really slept in two days, so when he turns up he probably will just vote (if that) and go to bed. I wouldn't want to go after him when he couldn't defend himself, personally.

Well, he voted already...

Also I do dislike in principle that zero-argument of "let's not vote for someone who hasn't a chance to defend her/himself" as that might be a very convenient bluff to anyone - not to speak of the larger issue of people being able to only vote Americans or Europeans depending on the deadline!

I mean everyone should be guaranteed a right to vote the one they see as the most suspicious person whether that person is going to be online to defend her-/himself after the given vote or not.

Why should people with unconvenient deadline be immune to voting?

(I do appreciate the reasons you give for him not posting more toDay Rikae, but the question remains whether his inability to post more or later makes him more innocent.)

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, he voted already...

Oh, duh. *facepalm*

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Originally Posted by Mac

(I do appreciate the reasons you give for him not posting more toDay Rikae, but the question remains whether his inability to post more or later makes him more innocent.)

I didn't say that made him more innocent, I just said it was a reason for me not to go after him toDay.

Brinniel · 10-31-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I can see it as a sign of goodwill or trust (and that's appreciated Brinn, if it be that, and that's an honest comment) but gamewise it has no meaning - unless it is that you are trying to create a general feeling about you "seeing already the innocentness" of the one innocent tomorrow gone - after you kill me the next Night that is? Okay, you're not the only one who has said that but check toMorrow all those who have done it.

So what, you're saying it's a waste of time for me to state my opinion of you just because you're a goner? I agree it's not worth analysing you...that'd be a waste of time. But I think it'd be silly to completely ignore you and not share any opinion whatsoever.

These attacks towards Gollum bother me. Some of what Gollum says is flawed, but they seem more like newbie mistakes. It just feels to me that he's an easy lynch target- a scapegoat. I'm uncomfortable voting for any easy lynch targets because most often they turn out innocent.

I find Rikae's vote for Gollum and particularly how she's become fiery and put herself in a defensive mode eyebrow raising. Last time I recall her acting in this way, she was evil.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

I find Rikae's vote for Gollum and particularly how she's become fiery and put herself in a defensive mode eyebrow raising. Last time I recall her acting in this way, she was evil.

I suggest you vote me, than. You, Nog and Cabbie's "random" vote will tie me with Gollum, and, frankly, this game doesn't need me if it's as unbalanced as I think, and I'm more interested in proving you, Nogrod, etc. wrong at this poitn than in surviving where I'm no use anyway.

Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 05:45 PM

You also voted already Rikae...

So you were that confident with your vote - or are just a baddie feeling comfortable enough to wash your hands from the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after your vote eg. meaning you could have voted later as well?

So why did youi vote already?

As an innocent I would leave my vote to the last possible instant if I knew I could be online after that moment. Well, if I actually knew who the baddie is I could vote earlier, but show me a case where an innocent villager is that sure that s/he could believe nothing coming would change her/his opinion - or do you dare to claim you know Gollum is a baddie!...

You never know when someone will fumble and totally screw her/his case so a reasonable person would wait and see until s/he has to retire as any post might break the scene.

Your actions speak strongly against your innocence.

Sorry...

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:51 PM

Nog, please, if you find me that guilty, vote me and be done with it and go look at someone else before you run out of time. That's really all I have to say to you anymore.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

You also voted already Rikae...

So you were that confident with your vote - or are just a baddie feeling comfortable enough to wash your hands from the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after your vote eg. meaning you could have voted later as well?

Actually, I'm an ordo feeling comfortable enough to wash my hands of the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after my vote.

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Originally Posted by Nog

As an innocent I would leave my vote to the last possible instant if I knew I could be online after that moment. Well, if I actually knew who the baddie is I could vote earlier, but show me a case where an innocent villager is that sure that s/he could believe nothing coming would change her/his opinion - or do you dare to claim you know Gollum is a baddie!...

Well, good for you. I don't do the same thing every day, every game, myself.
If we have, as I think we do, only 4 baddies who aren't even a team, I can afford a hasty vote.

But like I said above, if you find me so incredibly suspicious, please, go ahead. I'll even come out and say "I'm a baddie" if it will end your unhealthy fixation.
You said you were going to look at everyone, and I'd like to see you do that. If I am indeed a baddie, I'm certainly doing a good job of distracting you.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:58 PM

Also, Nogrod, have you ever suspected anyone but Mac or I since we started playing werewolf? Think about it.

10-31-2008, 05:06 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	As you're around Rikae, what do you think of Mac? I might vote him... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-31-2008, 05:14 PM	#4
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I'm going to a Halloween party, and this will be my absolute last chance to get on the computer today. ++McCaber Happy Halloween/Samhain, everyone. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

10-31-2008, 05:45 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	You also voted already Rikae... So you were that confident with your vote - or are just a baddie feeling comfortable enough to wash your hands from the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after your vote eg. meaning you could have voted later as well? So why did youi vote already? As an innocent I would leave my vote to the last possible instant if I knew I could be online after that moment. Well, if I actually knew who the baddie is I could vote earlier, but show me a case where an innocent villager is that sure that s/he could believe nothing coming would change her/his opinion - or do you dare to claim you know Gollum is a baddie!... You never know when someone will fumble and totally screw her/his case so a reasonable person would wait and see until s/he has to retire as any post might break the scene. Your actions speak strongly against your innocence. Sorry... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-31-2008, 05:51 PM	#10
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Nog, please, if you find me that guilty, vote me and be done with it and go look at someone else before you run out of time. That's really all I have to say to you anymore.

10-31-2008, 05:58 PM	#12
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Also, Nogrod, have you ever suspected anyone but Mac or I since we started playing werewolf? Think about it.