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Old 02-03-2009, 08:27 PM   #1
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++Mirandir

I probably won't be back before deadline, so I will do like Salvador Allende. . . say "¡Viva Chile! ¡Viva el pueblo! ¡Vivan los trabajadores!" and take my leave.
I don't suppose it would be worth asking why...

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No you can't. I can protect myself.
Oooh handy! Are you sure about that though?
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:11 AM   #2
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Menel was drunk again. As usual. The village was surprised. But they were now coming to believe Menel's drunken fool act was nothing but a clever disguise. It was obvious this drunk was a wraith and they were prepared to test the theory.

Agan and Rune tackled Menel while Mirandir got a chair, Beregond got some rope, Mac got a funnel, and Nerwen and Lariren got four jugs of wine.

The villagers tied Menel to the chair, while he squirmed against the ropes bonds. “I'm innocent! I swear!”

Rune held Menel's head still while Mac put the funnel in his mouth. The villagers then began the process of forcing the town drunk into drinking the wine. Menel sputtered some out, rivers flowed from the corners of his mouth, but for the most part the wine was getting into his system. As a career drunk Menel's body was conditioned to taking lots of alcohol in in a 24 hour period. However, his body wasn't accustomed to so much, so quickly.

In a serious act of rebellion Menel's liver exploded. His death followed seconds later, blood dripping from his mouth and nose, mixing with the red wine. Menel had died with the bottle, the same way he had lived. And he was completely innocent of all crimes except drunken shenanigans.

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Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc – Eaten by a bear Night 7 (innocent)
Meneltarmacil – Impossible liver explosion Day 7 (innocent)
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:00 AM   #3
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The next morning the villagers awoke to find Beregond missing from the morning meeting. The few villagers that remained walked along to Beregond's home. They hoped he was just sleeping in, but by this point everyone knew better.

Outside Beregond's home the wraiths had displayed the smith's head on a nice long spike. Someone they had even managed to make his death face smile. Beregond looked happy, despite the complete lack of body.

The villagers continued on to see what had become of the body. They found it propped up in front of the fireplace in what looked to be a nice cozy chair. A string was tied to Beregond's wrist and when the villagers opened or closed the front door the arm waved to them. With a smile and a friendly face Beregond moved on to the next life.

It was almost endearing, except for the blood everywhere.

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Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc – Eaten by a bear Night 7 (innocent)
Meneltarmacil – Impossible liver explosion Day 7 (innocent)
Beregond – Beheaded and put on display Night 8 (innocent)
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:03 AM   #4
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Two more innocents dead...This can not be allowed to continue, guys. At this rate the wraiths will have the village overrun in no time flat.

And on that note, I am off to bed. (Yes, I did stay up much later than was probably healthy in order to see who got killed. Sigh. Busy day Thursdays are, but I shall be around nonetheless (bringing the laptop to work? Very possible. ).
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:24 AM   #5
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Some thoughts on yesterDay's voting:

Well, I'm sorry about Menel.... except that what did he have to do something so evil-looking for? Worse than Fea. What's with this village?

I suppose it's remotely possible that Mac is an innocent also infected by the vote-as-evilly-as-possible virus, but I doubt it. He's too experienced not to know that what he was doing was a recipe for disaster. I really don't think I'm being biased: if that wasn't the vote of a cobbler afraid of lynching a wolf by accident, I will drown myself in one of my own brewing vats.

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Old 02-05-2009, 12:32 AM   #6
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Two more innocents dead...This can not be allowed to continue, guys. At this rate the wraiths will have the village overrun in no time flat.
Specifically, unless we get a wraith toDay or the Ranger makes a successful protection toNight.
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:51 AM   #7
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Aganzir
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Lari.


Two of these people are wraiths

Aganzir: I don't see any reason to suspect her. Helping save me yesterDay is something an Aganwraith might do, to win my trust... but I'm certainly not making a "just in case" vote toDay.

Rune: *shrugs* Overall, has done innocent-looking and evil-looking things in about equal numbers. I don't know what to make of him.

Lari: Well, she's either the Ranger or she's lying her head off– it's that simple. Openly jumped on the bandwagon yesterDay– but is that too obvious for a wraith? (The cobbler might do it, but I think Mac's the cobbler). Changes her list of who she protected– which looks pretty bad, but could be just carelessness– she gets the voting count wrong later.

Mira: Another openly bandwaggoning vote... again, too obvious? Makes cryptic remark (soon before DL) about having a case against Beregond as "wolf/cobbler", then forgetting it. I'd like to know what that was about, as it's quite a weird thing for an innocent to say, newbie or not. It seems to me that if she's a wraith, she might have been paving the way to get Berry lynched if necessary.
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:04 AM   #8
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I have to go now, so

++Mirandir

as currently the most wraith-like... but I'll definitely be back later and will change this if I see reason to do so.

Please, no silly voting this time!
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:24 AM   #9
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Aiee this is not going well.

Sorry Menel.

So it's 3-3 now. Guess what I realised during the night? It's too late to lynch the cobbler anymore. It should have been done yesterday. And the most annoying thing is that Rikae actually said it but no one paid heed to her.

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What's with this village?
When planning the game, Kit probably didn't take into account the Black Breath, which drives people crazy...

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He's too experienced not to know that what he was doing was a recipe for disaster.
Indeed. But basically we should just ignore everything he says now if we want to have any chance to kill a wolf.

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Lari: Well, she's either the Ranger or she's lying her head off– it's that simple.
If she wasn't the ranger, the real ranger would have come out by now, or at least during today. I see no reason not to believe her.
Good job saying you can protect yourself, Lari. It seems the wolves didn't even want to take a risk of missing a kill and now we have a known innocent alive.

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It seems to me that if she's a wraith, she might have been paving the way to get Berry lynched if necessary.
True. That didn't even occur to me and I wondered why you were so puzzled about it.

I have to leave in some 1.5 hours but I won't be away for long, and after that I can be online as long as I wish as I have no need to wake up early tomorrow.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:35 AM   #10
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I just said Mac should be ignored but I can't resist

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Of course, a knee-jerk vote against somebody who made a weird vote against you is so much less suspicious...
So did you find the day 1 voting a good reason to vote for someone on a day when we would have had to get a baddie?

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Yes, but it's a lot less likely. No wraith wants to sacrifice himself to flush out the ranger. It's not worth it.
Lari was heavily suspected and she would probably have been lynched had she not come out.

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Nerwen and Aganzir teaming up to lynch somebody who counts as innocent is very, very suspicious. The fact that both also consider Miri as an option makes me feel a lot better about her.
Hahaha was that a confession?

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Considering how much talk there was about how crucial yesterDay's lynch would be, this reasoning can't be explained with carelessness, it is willfully malign.
I fail to see what is suspicious about trying to see both sides of the issue.

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So?
I much rather think you're evil than that I'm wrong.

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I have to check again, but as far as I remember, only you and Rune were certain about it.
In a village this small, two counts as many people.

Mac seems to be playing with a strategy of his own that I can't understand. And the fact that he's accusing Nerwen makes me feel even better about her.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:44 AM   #11
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I wonder why Mac starts attacking Nerwen right after she voted for Mira. Does he perchance think Mira is a wolf and tries to keep her from the gallows now...? I don't like it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:09 AM   #12
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Simply irresistable ;)

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But basically we should just ignore everything he says now
All I can say to this is that I hope the village won't listen to this. This is the reason I've been kept alive, folks, because Aganwraith had faith that she could twist the village's mind into believing this.

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If she wasn't the ranger, the real ranger would have come out by now, or at least during today.
She said it again!

You said we can no longer lynch the cobbler now, but did it also occur to you that if we do end up lynching him/her, that we will play the ranger protection lottery at night? I commented on the same thing yesterDay and you said I was right, now you say it again! I wish I never thought you were innocent. This way of trying to get the ranger's identity is clearly evil.

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So did you find the day 1 voting a good reason to vote for someone on a day when we would have had to get a baddie?
No, but didn't you think that a wraith could have made up a better reason to vote for somebody?

It's a bit beyond me why people always vote for those who look weird instead of those who are suspicious. Didn't you guys learn from Durelin's death? And some wonder what's wrong with this village.

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Hahaha was that a confession?
No, a fact. A fact stated even to those who believe you.

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I fail to see what is suspicious about trying to see both sides of the issue.
What about a person who tells people how important it is that we get it right and then votes for somebody she thinks is half-innocent?

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I much rather think you're evil than that I'm wrong.
Apparently. What I meant, though, is that obviously you thought the same of Menel, too, and possibly of everybody.

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In a village this small, two counts as many people.
And in a village no matter the size, twisting the facts is suspicious.

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I wonder why Mac starts attacking Nerwen right after she voted for Mira.
There are only about 6 hours between our posts, but never mind.
And why do you say "start"? I voted for her yesterDay, remember?


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Old 02-05-2009, 09:28 AM   #13
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You said we can no longer lynch the cobbler now, but did it also occur to you that if we do end up lynching him/her, that we will play the ranger protection lottery at night?
I'd rather lynch a wolf than take a risk and gamble next night, especially as the situation tomorrow would be completely the same as today, only with one or two persons less. And that doesn't really make a difference... If the wolves & the cobbler manage to cooperate and vote for the same person so that xe'll get xyr three votes first today, they win. If two wolves manage to do it tomorrow, they win. It's all the same.

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No, but didn't you think that a wraith could have made up a better reason to vote for somebody?
It doesn't matter what the reasons are if the baddie is good at manipulating. You almost made at least two innocents follow your vote yesterday, Menel even came up with new points to back up his vote.

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What about a person who tells people how important it is that we get it right and then votes for somebody she thinks is half-innocent?
What if that half-innocent tried to kill someone she thought was innocent?
And if I say he has been innocentish at times, suspicious at others, it means he's half-guilty, not half-innocent. That's how it goes in werewolf. Also, if you don't happen to remember, after Lari's reveal he was the person I suspected the most.

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And in a village no matter the size, twisting the facts is suspicious.
I don't think I was twisting the facts. I only remembered I was not the only one who thought so.

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There are only about 6 hours between our posts, but never mind.
I take it you were fast asleep when she posted and attacked her points right after you saw them.

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And why do you say "start"? I voted for her yesterDay, remember?
With reasoning like "not sure, she just seems the least innocent of these." While your intent was to get her killed, it was not an attack yet.

Grr Mac you're really doing your job well and using my lack of self-discipline for your own ends, I'm just arguing with you although I should be looking for wolves!
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Old 02-06-2009, 11:39 PM   #14
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Mirandir's turn had come. She threw in the towel knowing her death would seal victory for the wraiths, they needed only to kill the ranger and they had Bree under Sauron's control. Mira reluctantly decided to sacrifice herself. It would be easier this way then living in a town controlled by wraiths.

“But make it swift.”

The wraiths with Bill Ferny approached Mira with hate in their eyes. Rune hung back, hoping to avoid murder now that Bree was doomed. Annoyed at the turn of events and in an effort to save Mira from death Lari revealed herself as Strider. No one expected such a feminine Strider, but there she was.

“Don't you touch, Mira! I will kill the whole lot of you!” Lari drew her sword and stood between Mira and the wraiths.

“Foolish ranger, your broken little sword can't stop us.” Nerwen laughed silently. “Surrender to your fate.”

Lari screamed and jumped for Nerwen. The wraith caught the ranger by the neck and began to choke the life out of her. As Nerwen did so, Aganzir fell upon Mira. The wraith struggled with the frightened villager. When she had her pinned she beckoned for Mac's aid, he brought along Agan's tanning equipment. The tanner worked on skinning Mira, eventually her skin would make a lovely rug for the Dark Lord. Meanwhile all the air in Lair's lungs had been squeezed out and Nerwen had begun working on her ventriloquist routine. Mac stood by enjoying his cobbler victory.

Rune, being the final survivor, was half way to the Shire before the wraiths knew he was missing, but they cared little.

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Kitanna – Made an example of Night 1 (moddess)
Gollum the Great – Eaten by hogs Day 1 (innocent)
Shastanis Althreduin – Forced to swallow a sword Night 2 (innocent)
Durelin – Hanged on Day 2 (innocent)
Nogrod – Disemboweled and hanged by own intestines Night 3 (innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil – Hoed to death Day 3 (innocent)
Brinniel – Set on fire and turned into Mrs. Lovett Day 4 (wraith)
Thinlómien – Brain forcibly removed and made into a treat Night 5 (Butterbur)
satansaloser2005 – Brained by Rune Day 5 (wraith)
Rikae – Skinned alive Night 6 (innocent)
A Little Green – Slipped on a banana peel Day 6 (innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc – Eaten by a bear Night 7 (innocent)
Meneltarmacil – Impossible liver explosion Day 7 (innocent)
Beregond – Beheaded and put on display Night 8 (innocent)
Mirandir – Skinned and made into a rug Day 8 (innocent)
Lariren Shadow – Choked to death and made into a puppet Night 9 (Strider)

Wraith victory
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Old 02-07-2009, 08:03 AM   #15
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Posting here as I personally prefer everything to be found in the same thread.

First, two things clear.

I said on day 1 I would like to be turned if I was Frodo. That was true, but it had nothing to do with how I played. I was completely on the village's side until I was turned. However, it was clear to me from the beginning that I was not going to reveal unless I absolutely had to. I was sort of a hunter twice in a row before this game, and I revealed both times. I had by now got an overdose of being a known innocent who just wouldn't be killed.

Also, I was turned the same day my school ended. I am still more inclined to think possible chances in my behaviour, whether compared to previous games or the earlier days in this one, were more due to that.

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Anyway, thanks for an awesome game, Kit and others! It's a while since I have enjoyed playing this much. And special thanks to my lovely packmates. I was so frustrated when Lommy revealed two of them right after I had learnt their names! And although Mac wasn't sure about us, at least we could be sure about him, which was a good thing. It would've been rather annoying to accidentally kill our cobbler (yet I think I would have encouraged keeping him alive so the paranoid village could have lynched him in the end even if we hadn't had a reason to assume he was Ferny).

All the newbies played really well. And Lari, I can but sympathize - it's much easier to be a wolf than an innocent, not to mention a gifted. Looking forward to playing with you all again.

Sorry Greenie & Menel. I'd rather we had lynched someone else than Greenie that day because then I could have continued my case against her and Legate later. And as for Menel, I came online before 7am just to notice you were actually trying to lynch Nerwen based on her day 1 vote. I don't think I would've liked the reasons much even if she hadn't been my fellow, but now I simply needed to get someone else lynched.

Killing Rikae was completely my own decision as Nerwen was away. I thought she could be the ranger looking as weird (and also cobblerish) as possible, hoping we would ignore her. My main reasons were, though, that it would somewhat help frame Legate & Mira, and that she seemed to be so sure of Mac's guilt. I didn't want him to be lynched.

I was amused by people speculating that we killed Legate because he was dangerous. As a matter of fact, we had been thinking about killing either Berry, Rune, or Mira, but then I went to look how people had reacted to Lommy's reveal in order to find the ranger, and Legate seemed like the most promising choice. We sent the name to Kit like 15 minutes before the day was supposed to start.

After Lari's reveal we PMed Kit about her ability to protect herself and learnt she could do that once during the game. That's why we didn't kill her - we didn't even want to risk missing a kill. We considered Mira or Berry and decided to go for him.

I must say that Lari's reveal messed our plans pretty nicely. Also, the last day was really bad on my part. I just somehow totally ignored the effect both Nerwen and me voting for Mira would have on Rune. I.. didn't think someone else could have voted for her as well, I was just waiting for Mac (which was actually our plan B). I thought he wanted me to vote first, just to be sure. Appears he wasn't sure even about me.

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Old 02-07-2009, 11:24 AM   #16
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Yay, I'm so glad we won! Once Sally and me were dead, we began chatting with one another speculating about the game and cheering our packmates on. It made being dead a bit better than it is normally.

I must admit being a wraith wasn't exactly a role of preference. Simply because even though Fea's game was months ago, I had a bad feeling people would suspect me simply because of my once-in-a-lifetime performance and that the seer would dream of me early on (which sucks since I have never spotted a gifted). Of course, I put that aside and did the best I could, hoping to survive longer than I did. My first Day performance was crap, for a variety of reasons...mostly I just let my emotions and stress get the better of me. My final Night, I pretty much almost knew I would be revealed and so we made a plan to counter-reveal. Obviously, that was a stupid idea; I would've had much more fun if I had done what Sally and act silly. I try to justify my actions by thinking at least I distracted the village for a Day with two seers...but I don't actually think it made much difference. Overall, it was a lousy performance and I hope to do a bit better for my team next time.

I did enjoy the game, even after my death, as it was fun to watch. Thanks to Sally who brought me much amusement on her final Day. She promised to entertain me, and that she did. Nerwen remained our steady wraith throughout the game. All the way until the end she remained as sneaky as ever. I was so relieved when I discovered Aganzir was Frodo, though I'm sad I never got to actually play with her. She did me proud, however, being her manipulative self. The poor girl messaged me on the final Day saying she couldn't sleep she was so anxious waiting for Mac to vote. I couldn't do much to help being dead and all, plus I was feeling anxious too. I think she finally did go to bed around 7am...

Mac, you were an excellent cobbler even if you couldn't guess who we were. Being the runner-up lynch candidate for several Days, then a known innocent really helped us out. Lommy, I was so mad when I realised you were most probably the seer...especially since I did want to kill you on Night 2. But good work, since you were the only one to catch any wraiths, as I predicted. Lari, when I was informed after my death that you were the ranger, I was rather surprised. Good work.

And thanks to Kitanna who made a lovely game with an awesome theme.

Btw, I can't believe how much I told the truth in this game. You all thought my Frodo comments were some sort of hint, but it was my honest opinion on the situation. I always give my honest opinion on strategies on Day 1, and usually get suspected for it. But even remained fairly truthful, particularly in my final posts:

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Are you really so sure Mac is innocent? I'd take a second look at him. I'm least trusting of Aganzir and Nerwen, particularly for their bandwagoning toDay. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them are wraiths.
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But really guys, do you always have to let the seer do all the work for you? You blindly lynched innocents and couldn't manage to lynch a single wraith until the seer revealed. Lucky for you. But without a seer to do your dirty work, you are all just hopeless. Let's just see how well you do once she is dead.
(A rather harsh comment from me, I admit...but hey, I was about to get lynched...)
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Just wait for Sally's final act. She has a whole extra Day and I know she'll do me proud.
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On a more serious note, the reason I'm exposing myself now is because I want to let you know in advance that my outburst on Day 1 wasn't any sort of evil scheme of mine. I was honestly offended by some comments and spun a bit out of control...it has absolutely nothing to do with my role or the game itself, and I felt really bad about it afterwards. I would really hate to be lynched having you guys think I was unsporty.

Now that that's out of the way, I don't understand why you all think I make such a brilliant wolf. I'm really quite crappy at it...if you don't believe me, take a look at my past games. The only one I've played exceptionally well was Fea's and a lot of that was dumb luck. But otherwise, I'm really horrible, no joke! I never make the right kill and my ploys never work. So stop calling me a scary baddie or whatever, because if you think that, you're just not trying hard enough. I've never been right about a gifted until this game...I actually wanted to kill Lommy on Night 2 and Sally said no. I'm not that stupid; I was almost positive she was the seer but I wasn't going to risk the chance she may be protected or I might be wrong, and since killing her would incriminate me and Sally, why not brave it out? And it was a good choice since instead we found our Frodo. I actually have to give my fellow credit for the kill choice. I didn't want to kill Greenie, but they insisted for two Nights, so I gave in. Good thing I did.
This was all honest except I replaced Agan with Greenie. Though I almost considered not replacing the name at all...
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Oh, c'mon Nerwen, you know you want to confess too. It's fun.
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Oh btw, you might want another look at Mac. I know the seer dreamt him innocent and all, but...
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Boy was that fun. I would've done it earlier, but I promised Sally I would do everything I can to get her lynched.
Seeee? If only you guys just listened to me....

I'll post our PMs later, but I have to go edit a project shortly...
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:27 AM   #17
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I still don't understand what made me so evil on the day I was lynched...

Oh, well. Great game!
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Of course you can't, it's mine.
Oh yeah. I can't even remember what made me think you were Frodo on day One anymore, but I'm making a mental note to go with my first instincts from now on (especially since I suspected Brinn, Mac and Nerwen on Day 1, too, and then talked myself out of it ).

Well, good game, everybody. And, for the record, I'm not ashamed of losing the post count war, since toward the end there I slowed down in an attempt to actually help the village. At least Agan heeded my warnings (incidentally, Agan, it was that "too bad nobody listened to Rikae about the cobbler" comment on the last day that convinced me you were evil for sure. Grrr....)
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