WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, back. I didn't read deeply the Nerwen-Agan-whatnot-whatever disputes, so I am going to reread them again properly to see what was going on there. Meanwhile, comment on other posts:

Originally Posted by Mirandir

In the meantime, I've been trying to figure out what Morsul is trying to accomplish by voting for himself. Yes, it makes sense if he is innocent to want to get rid of suspicion on him to focus on a wolf. However, if he is indeed innocent he's only hurting the village by encouraging us to kill him and give the wolves a leg up. If the cobbler wasn't already dead, he'd be my main suspect.

If he is a wolf, though, voting for himself to make it look like he has nothing to lose is something of an intelligent strategy. However, it casts a lot of suspicion on his actions in general.

So this pretty much boils down to I have no idea what to think. I'm leaning toward innocent and pigheaded, but tempted to vote him for sheer stupidity at the risk of being hypocritical.

This, especially the first part, I sort of don't like and am not sure about it. On my first sight, that made me alert. Is it, like, a Wolf too easily jumping on the easy lynch without joining it yet (=i.e. going to vote later and blend with the crowd once people all start voting Morsul?)

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Sometimes people do it (do you know Nilpaurion Felagund? It was his trademark). And I must admit that I can understand Morsul's point: if he's innocent (which I think he is) and everybody just keeps suspecting him, it can get quite frustrating. Like, lynch me now and be done with it!

Interesting 180° turn of being understanding to Morsul, to whom you never seemed to understand at all, right at the moment he voted himself. But whatever...

Generally speaking, if I went with sort of my line of thought how it was all the time and not admitting any possibility of suddenly turning my world upside-down because of being paranoid that Nerwen, Agan or somebody might be Wolves, then I would basically seek for the Wolf between Shasta or Mira the most.

There is one reason why I think Agan might be innocent, also because I believe Greenie would have dreamed of her. I mean, have Aganzir running unchecked, I think she would have looked into that. I think now it's really a pity that she did not get to reveal her dreams to us! Unless she really dreamed only of dead people. But that sounds quite unlikely - also exactly because of what I have just said about Agan.

So now I am going to reread, then reread somehow further into the past, and then hopefully even further, and if I am not asleep by then, I will do something about it.

EDIT: x-ed since Morsul

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay and since Morsul did it, now I can say it aloud, that's exactly what I have been thinking he's going to do. The action may of course not imply anything in general if just anybody did it, but given Morsul-logic, if I try to imagine it from his perspective, it makes me think him more innocent. Maybe also Shasta, but there's a questionmark over that.

EDIT: x-ed with Agan

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Interesting 180° turn of being understanding to Morsul, to whom you never seemed to understand at all, right at the moment he voted himself. But whatever...

No it wasn't that moment, I had started to feel better about him earlier (might have been already yesterday) although I'm not sure how clearly I ever said it.

I'm going to sleep soonishly (unless you suddenly start to post something very interesting ).

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

There is one reason why I think Agan might be innocent, also because I believe Greenie would have dreamed of her. I mean, have Aganzir running unchecked, I think she would have looked into that. I think now it's really a pity that she did not get to reveal her dreams to us! Unless she really dreamed only of dead people. But that sounds quite unlikely - also exactly because of what I have just said about Agan.

If Green had dreamt of Ag, why would she have kept flip-flopping on her? It makes about as much sense as the fact that yesterDay you were claiming I believe G dreamt of A and saying my dream theories don't make any sense and now suggesting that G dreamt of A yourself...

I don't like the votes against Skip and Morsul. I'd far rather see Shasta, Agan or Nerwen gone toDay, in that order more or less.


edit: xed with Brinn and Shasta, corrected quote markings

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

This, especially the first part, I sort of don't like and am not sure about it. On my first sight, that made me alert. Is it, like, a Wolf too easily jumping on the easy lynch without joining it yet (=i.e. going to vote later and blend with the crowd once people all start voting Morsul?)[/B]

I did voice suspicion against him before that, though. Like, two days ago. I'm just actually doing something about it now.

++Morsul

For reasons previously stated and since he's the only one who's really jumped out at me. This might change if I get the chance to go over some things more closely, but wanted to make sure I didn't miss deadline again.

[Thinlómien]

If Morsul is the Unicorn and wants to come out, it would make more sense NOT to lynch him. We'd have another known innocent and the chances of getting Greenie back are already quite slim...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

If Morsul is the Unicorn and wants to come out, it would make more sense NOT to lynch him. We'd have another known innocent and the chances of getting Greenie back are already quite slim...

...and will just get slimmer as the game goes on. One could also argue that now is the best time to do it, as we aren't down to the point where lynches are crucial.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I just thought of something - Lommy, we really never agree on anything, do we?

[Thinlómien]

Vote count

Morsul 3
Skip 2
Nerwen 1

right?

Don't like it, especially if Morsul indeed is the Unicorn (well lynching him would be better than lynching an ordo, but still not good).

++Nerwen

She's the only one of my suspects who we can get lynched toDay. I'm trusting Brinn to back me up on this - if she does and Winty doesn't appear and no one retracts, Nerwen should be dead meat and hopefully (although I'm not too optimistic) game over.

edit: xed with Shasta x2

[Thinlómien]

Haha forgot that Legate exists. Sorry darling! Doesn't change the situation much, though. Only means that Brinn if Nerwen is your main suspect it means you had better only vote after Legate has gone to sleep. (Don't really want to see Skippy lynched as I think him a probable seer dream.)

Shasta, I think "never" is too strong a word. I'd say "we agree very seldom." I just think that I would rather try our chances on a wolf toDay and if we lynch an innocent, see the Unicorn go for example next Night with a slightly smaller chance of getting Greenie back and thus rob the wolf of a Night-kill rather than lynch the Unicorn toDay and have a slightly bigger chance of getting Greenie back and thus rob us of a lynch.

Anyway, now that we have found one wolf from her posts, her coming back doesn't matter so much anymore. It would be nice to get a known innocent or two, but to lynch the Unicorn just for the slight chance (1/5) of getting that doesn't make any sense to me.


edit: xed with Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyway, now that we have found one wolf from her posts, her coming back doesn't matter so much anymore. It would be nice to get a known innocent or two, but to lynch the Unicorn just for the slight chance (1/5) of getting that doesn't make any sense to me.


edit: xed with Shasta

Are you forgetting that the Ranger is still alive, Lommy?

[Brinniel]

Lommy, unless something dramatic happens, I intend to vote Nerwen. I don't like this Morsul bandwagon, especially if he is the Unicorn. How can he be a wolf when he's encouraging votes against him? I seriously suspect Nerwen anyway, and really hope she's our last wolf. How nice it would be to pull off a WW game without a single innocent lynched.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Are you forgetting that the Ranger is still alive, Lommy?

No; I just can't see how it changes the situation. Unless I misread the rules, the resurrected gifted don't have their gifts anymore.

PS. It's getting late here. I'm off to brush teeth and change into pyjamas. I'll check this thread in 10 minutes, post if there's something worthy of commenting and go to sleep.

[Thinlómien]

The rules state:

1 Unicorn (totally stealing this from Lottie, cause I loved it): when they die I will put the names of all of the dead in a hat, including the Unicorn’s name. If the name I pick out is of an innocent (or Cobbler) they will come back, if it’s a Wolf than no one comes back. Everyone comes back as an Ordo (except Cobbler still Cobbler, and Shirriff still Shirriff if their partner is still alive).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

No; I just can't see how it changes the situation. Unless I misread the rules, the resurrected gifted don't have their gifts anymore.

PS. It's getting late here. I'm off to brush teeth and change into pyjamas. I'll check this thread in 10 minutes, post if there's something worthy of commenting and go to sleep.

Oh, do they not? That means I misread, I should go and look at that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Haha forgot that Legate exists. Sorry darling!

...Well. Let me make a vote count, if possible...

So just let me see toDay's votes.

Morsul -> Morsul (Morsul 1)
Nerwen -> Skip (Skip 1, Morsul 1)
Shasta -> Morsul (Morsul 2, Skip 1)
Morsul -> --Morsul (Skip 1, Morsul 1)
Morsul -> Skip (Skip 2, Morsul 1)
Agan -> Nerwen (Skip 2, Morsul 1, Nerwen 1)
skip -> Morsul (Morsul 2, Skip 2, Nerwen 1)
Mira -> Morsul (Morsul 3, Skip 2, Nerwen 1)
Lommy -> Nerwen (Morsul 3, Nerwen 2, Skip 2)

Left to vote: Lottie, Brinn and possible retractors, and winty, if he exists. And me.

Okay, given that skip might have been a Seer dream... maybe letting him live... but then what? Doesn't look like lynching Shasta (although it would be still possible, but rather theoretically). Actually now I have also reread Morsul's posting and seems I have misinterpretated it before, I thought that he re-voted for skip only after skip voted him, now I realised that it was not so (he merely suspected him and voted him after that), it might have been also the way that Morsul saw Nerwen voting skip and merrily joined, copying Nerwen's own move she used against him (or rather: he used against himself) when she was a WW in my game. But that sounds a) rather complicated, b) possibly improbable to come up with even for Morsul's surprising agency. Anyway. Need to think. I could vote Nerwen for the peace of mind, but my suspicions for her basically equal nil. Might be "worth a shot" though, if I take it the way that it's really just a shot.

Will think and be back in a minute.

EDIT: x-ed since the start of the page

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Aww, poor one. *hugs* If it helps, I also forgot about Lottie.

To say one last thing about the Unicorn topic: since the Unicorn can also come back himself, we have even slighter chances of getting Greenie back if we lynch Morsul, and we might even get Morsul himself back, which wouldn't make even frustrated Shasta feel better.

Anyway not sure if it makes sense to speculate about it any more since Morsul seems not to be around to say whether he claims being the Unicorn or not and we shouldn't definitely pressure the Unicorn to reveal anyway (although if it's Morsul there's not much to lose anymore...)


edit: xed with legate