WW LXXXII: Return to Tol-in-Gaurhoth

[Ozban]

I feel really bad, I blame myself for the Legate's death. Now there are nine of us left, four of that Bad-guys. We really are screwed.

Let's go all out: there's not much option left, is there? I got nothing to lose anyway, everything i did was wrong so far. And this is the only day to save the game.

During yesterDay my opinion on Legate has risen significantly. I was able to belive, that he was innocent. It was my personal-180, can't list any specific reasons, but just the change in his style caught my attention and than I reconsidered.
In that moment I started looking for wolves elsewhere, Skip being my first new choice.
After first votes were cast I was convinced that Skip's fate is sealed and evethough I deemed him a wolf, I opted not to join the wagon. My reasons were:

a) I seemed obvious that he'll be lynched even without my contribution.
b) I wanted to lay low, not to draw much attention from hairy side.
c) And finally, as I was convinced of Skip's furriness, I wanted to give puppies a tempting offer whom to vote, to try to save their comrade. I wanted to lure them to a "trap", having them to reveal their desire to save Skip. Skip cast vote for Legate right after and that sealed my suspicion of him.

Things turned out different, unfortunately. And what shocked me most was Inzil's vote. Last moment Skip-saviour. That stroke me as wolf pulling wolf out of the trouble at the last moment. Until reading skip's toDay's post I was convinced that they are wolves together, not knowing who the third is wasn't of much importance, eventhough I had few candidates.

Now I realize that my plan was naive at best, I did not consider Skip's eventual innocence. He must not be necesarily innocent though, his hunter-claim is hardly a proof. And my theory can still apply, I'm not that sure about it anymore, though.

I know this what i described can look false, It's a fragile construction, I realize that. Furthermore I got no proof on the matter, but please, consider it at least.

If someone can bring any light as to Skip's innocence/guilt, please do.

Damn It!! My head's gonna explode. That is, unless I drown in my pesonal sea of shame.

X'ed since #306. Will catch up to it now.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by skip spence

And yes, I am the Hunter. Felt I had to reveal and put the fear of death in Inziladun in order to save my own life over an unknown I believed could be a wolf (my pick was actually Legate *double-sigh*)

I understand someone wanting to save himself. After all, that's why I voted Legate, despite having no real idea that he might be a wolf.
It makes sense that if you saw an opportunity to get your hunt-target lynched instead of you having to die too, you'd want the first option.
I would say that if skip is somehow not the real Hunter, xe should remain quiet for the best chance of getting a wolf. I'd very much hate to lynch the Hunter, though, since xir target dies regardless of alignment of xe is lynched.
That is to say, I agree with Wilwa.

Originally Posted by Ozban

After first votes were cast I was convinced that Skip's fate is sealed and evethough I deemed him a wolf, I opted not to join the wagon. My reasons were:

a) I seemed obvious that he'll be lynched even without my contribution.
b) I wanted to lay low, not to draw much attention from hairy side.
c) And finally, as I was convinced of Skip's furriness, I wanted to give puppies a tempting offer whom to vote, to try to save their comrade. I wanted to lure them to a "trap", having them to reveal their desire to save Skip. Skip cast vote for Legate right after and that sealed my suspicion of him.

When you cast your vote for Legate, skip only had three votes. You thought his "fate was sealed" with that?

x/d with skip

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

It makes sense that if you saw an opportunity to get your hunt-target lynched instead of you having to die too, you'd want the first option.

But, if I understand correctly, he wasn't hunting Legate. He was hunting you:

And Inzil, you have good reasons not to vote me regardless of your role!

EDIT: xed with Skip, who (I think) cleared that up

[Ozban]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

When you cast your vote for Legate, skip only had three votes. You thought his "fate was sealed" with that?
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It was three against one and public opinion was favoring Skip as the beast, as I said, I was being naive. But I was so certain of my reasoning at that moment, not so much now.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I still think it'd be insanely awesome/awful if Ozzy was a wolf.

Agreed, I would be going to win. Not any such luck though.

[Loslote]

I won't be here long, just popping in briefly.

Skip rubs me the wrong way. Not in the way where I think he's a wolf, because I don't, but...gah. I just think there's something off about threatening to Hunt someone in order to save your own life - especially when it ends up with us killing an ordo. If he hadn't, and had died, he might have managed to take a wolf with him. Actually, I really don't know why a Hunter would be so adverse to dying. It's the point of the role. But Vanilwuffin makes sense, so I'd agree with her that we should not lynch skip.

Also, by process of elimination, the wolf pack I came up with is Nog, Boro, and Steve. But I don't think that's right, so I must be wrong about some of the people I semi-trust, which means I have to look really closely at Greenie, Ozzy, Vanilwuffin, and Zil. Greenie I'm least sure about, and could very well be a wolf, I just don't currently think she is. I still think it'd be insanely awesome/awful if Ozzy was a wolf. Zil I could easily be wrong in trusting. Easily. Vanilwuffin I'm pretty confident about, but I'll look at her anyway if I get a chance.

Also, may I go head-desk for a while? I may? Wonderful...

EDIT: xed with Skip and Zil

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Ozban

And what shocked me most was Inzil's vote. Last moment Skip-saviour. That stroke me as wolf pulling wolf out of the trouble at the last moment. Until reading skip's toDay's post I was convinced that they are wolves together, not knowing who the third is wasn't of much importance, eventhough I had few candidates.

Leaving your rather dodgy post aside for now I can comment on this. I believe the reason Inzil voted Legate was because I strongly suggested that he'd die if I did (ie that I was the hunter hunting him). That semi-bluff was my last desperate attempt to stay alive and (as I hoped) lynching a wolfish Legate.

[skip spence]

I should point out that Inzil's last ditch vote says nothing about his allegiances, as far as I'm concerned. It made as much sense for an innocent Inzil as it would for a wolfish or cobblerish Inzil.

[wilwarin538]

I read through yesterDay again since I had spent most of the little time I had on looking over the previous two days, and this stood out to me, I don't know why I didn't notice it before (he's talking about myself in this post)

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But I agreed with her about Pitch yesterday, and despite what Nog said earlier today, she never wavered. A wolf could push for the easy lynch, but I thought of her yesterday as more cobbler than anything else. I would have expected the cobbler to waver and be unsure on how to deal with Pitch.

Why it doesn't make sense: he says I never wavered about Pitch, then says I looked more cobblerish, and then says he'd expect the cobbler to waver. Hmm?

Anyway, there are many that I have no opinion about for one reason or another: Inzil, Steve, Greenie. I still get good vibes from Ozzy....and Boro, Nog and Lottie just greatly worry me. And I think Skip is the Cobbler, cause I don't trust his reveal, but I won't be voting him cause I want to get a wolf.

Basically I have no idea and I won't be around much tomorrow, I'll probably even need to vote really early, and that's bugging me. I don't have time to look more closely, so I'll likely base my vote on the analyses I did on everything yesterDay and then whatever happens today.

x'ed with Noggins