Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aganzir · 10-31-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

It just occurred to me that while perfectly logical for an innocent Kath too, voting on principles rather than suspicion would be pretty clever for a wolf

I'd be careful with that kind of assumptions, though. It isn't basically any better than saying "I can imagine Aganwolf possibly doing that, hmm I wonder if I should vote for her now!"

A Little Green · 10-31-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Agan

I'd be careful with that kind of assumptions, though. It isn't basically any better than saying "I can imagine Aganwolf possibly doing that, hmm I wonder if I should vote for her now!"

Hold it, love, I never mentioned voting Kath. Neither did I say I assumed Kath's vote was by a wolf, I mentioned it as a possibility because it occurred to me.

EDIT: x-ed with Wilwa

Aganzir · 10-31-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I would feel bad about voting Sally, cause she seems to only be absent due to sickness, and like you said, she may be mod-fired anyway so there's no point in wasting the lynch.

Yeah that's true, I just mentioned it because I hadn't thought of it before. I probably won't vote for her today but I really disapprove if she keeps posting so little. My next best option is Eomer - I'm also suspicious of Nerwen and a bit less so of Shasta, but I'm not sure I want to vote at least for Shasta today because he's actually posting, so I might even go for Form or EW.

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

Hold it, love, I never mentioned voting Kath. Neither did I say I assumed Kath's vote was by a wolf, I mentioned it as a possibility because it occurred to me.

I know, the way you phrased it in your explanation post to Shasta just reminded me of the people who seemed to suspect me only because I "might" do something as a wolf, so I felt like pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I never said honest suspicion shouldn't trump lurking, Agan. What's your point here?

The thing is, I agree with your point but it just somehow seemed slightly self-contradictory.

satansaloser2005 · 10-31-2010, 03:09 PM

Many things about this are not good .

No, seriously. Yes, there’s no kill toNight, and that’s super, but Nog was a good solid player, and one of the few loud people was have left (until my return, of course, lol). I don’t think the wolves thought he was the seer -well, it’s possible, but I doubt that was their main reason- but if not, he had to have something correct somewhere. Either that or they wanted to keep people’s minds off of other things by killing someone who would lead to a lot of discussion (which it clearly has, so congrats on that).

And now to the previous Night’s kill. That is some BAD STUFF, people. The wolves now have one person who they know the role of, and whom they need to get lynched. Thus, obviously, if we catch all/most of the wolves, it should be fairly easy to spot the BW, because the odds are that the wolves will be going after them heavily. Until then, however, we’re flying blind, and the wolves will know later on in the game who not to kill, which gives them a better chance of hitting our seer or Tom Bombadil. So really, I guess it’s not a HORRIBLE thing, but it isn’t the best time for them to hit the BW, because they now have additional knowledge and thus power.

Basically, good on us for getting rid of a cobbler, and for the lack of a kill tonight, but we need to get wolves, and we need to dwindle their numbers as soon as possible, because the further we get into the game the more powerful the wolves will be, and the less risks they will have to take in making kills, thus giving them an advantage.

Also, how is Agan still alive? I said she was a wolf on Day One and you all just left her? YesterDay she was a possible candidate as well, and yet still, she lives. Unacceptable. She’s at the very least a cobbler (see my list below) and as such needs to die. Let’s take care of that.

Nutshell version: killing wolves is good . Let’s do it . Do my points make sense? Epic .

And now, a list of everyone and a snippet of my feelings on them.

Agan
I shan’t lie, Agan is playing a good game, but it’s so terribly obvious to me that she’s evil. From her plans to her attitude toward the whole BW thing (my mostly joking “ah, look, she said the BW is a girl!” aside), I can’t see how she could be a goodie. On the other hand, I very nearly want to keep her around just to argue with her later.

Eomer
I think that a wolf!Eomer may be more vocal, wanting to help out his pack and whatever, but perhaps he could be the BW? Alternatively, he could be our other cobbler. Still, he needs to die, because he’s totally up to something, and I don’t think it’s a good something.

Form
No read, which is depressing. I’m guessing, however, that Form isn’t changing form at Night.

Greenie
Her recent interactions with Agan make me think strange things about her, but she’s a low priority for me right now. I’d totally buy her as a cobbler, but I’m still really blah on her. o_O

Dun
Too loud! He makes my ears bleed! *smirks* Other than that, however, I’m not feeling a distinct evil or good vibe from him. He may become a priority later, but for now I’ll leave him alone. Basically I’ve overestimated his guilt before and since I have other people to worry about I’ll leave him alone for right now. However, I also wouldn’t be opposed to his lynch; I just wouldn’t probably go in on it at the moment.

Kath
She looks reasonable enough, but I think that sweet innocent act could be exactly that.

Lottie
I’m just waiting for someone to mount a campaign against her, or for her to be randomly killed at Night, but neither are happening. Generally a non-suspected Lottie is a guilty Lottie, so we’ll have to see how the game progresses. For now, however, I’ve not seen much that she’s actually done that would make me suspect her. It’s more of a “why is she still alive?” thing which may happen later on, and will make me headdesk at end game if she is in fact evil.

Nerwen
Sense, she makes it, and for that reason I shall keep her alive for now. Besides, I think she’s being sneaky, which means she’s innocent.

Pitchie
I’m getting no read on him, though he’s posted enough. I need to look at him more closely, but I have other people who are a higher priority right now, so let’s just consider him on the discussion table and a possible lynch choice later on in the game (which I just lost).

Sally
Nuf said.

Shasta
I think it’s been said, but his interactions with Nog yesterDay are interesting, and to me clear him of at least direct wolvery. He could be the BW, or the other cobbler, but I’m fairly certain that he’s not a proper wolf. Of course, he’s been helpful, so he needs to die anyway. Whoops. :/

Elfie
What the whatting what is all I have to say here. His vote toDay makes no sense, unless I’m missing something major, and he’s been far too much of a submarine. Reindeer aside, however, I think that what he does say has a feel of fur to it. Then again, this would be some okay BW behavior, as he comes and goes as he pleases and clearly doesn’t fear being a no-trace Night kill. I think either is a possibility, or perhaps even a cobbler, but I certainly don’t think he’s innocent.

Wilwa
I’m fairly certain that Vanilwa has the village’s best interest in mind. Volo’s statement at the end of yesterDay is interesting too, though I need to think about it more. Let’s keep in mind, for the sake of argument, that just because Volo protected her doesn’t mean she’s innocent. She could be a wolf, thus negating Volo’s protection on her while still giving him the idea that she is obviously not the BW. Just putting that out there; I’ll say more about it later. But yeah, pretty much, I think Wilwa’s a good one to keep around. On the other hand, let’s not write her off as a known innocent. We know (or at least can assume) that she’s not the BW. That doesn’t mean she’s not evil, and anyone who DOES make that assumption will look fishy in my eyes.

And now the mods....

Boro
Son of a proud mother and father. May his modly reign be everlasting.

Fea
Again, enough said.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's a happy 4,000th post to me. Back soon with more thoughts (and less youtube links). ^_^

ETA: I should mention that not all those links are little ghoul friendly. Most of them are just random though.

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-31-2010, 03:15 PM

Sally!!!!!!

I am so proud of you (and love my video

), but what does this mean -

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Originally Posted by Sally

Of course, he’s been helpful, so he needs to die anyway. Whoops. :/

This wouldn't be a thlip of the tongue, would it?

In any case, welcome back (and don't forget to vote today or you'll get MKed). <3

satansaloser2005 · 10-31-2010, 03:18 PM

It means I love you, my little snow cone. <3

ETA: Added youtube link, which took me a bit longer to find than I expected. Huh.

Aganzir · 10-31-2010, 03:30 PM

I'm tempted not to vote for sally today because she's just freaking hilarious.

Thanks a lot for the song.

Seriously though, her post hasn't lessened my suspicion at all. It looks... contrived.

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Originally Posted by sally

That is some BAD STUFF, people. The wolves now have one person who they know the role of, and whom they need to get lynched.

I fail to see what's so bad if the wolves try to lynch the BW. First, it's one baddie down. Second, doing so might lead back to them. I don't think the wolves would go heavily after the BW (all of them at least), just because people might pay attention to such behaviour later - but it should be possible to find things in their posts that suggest they know more than the rest of us. It looks like you're intentionally trying to make it sound like the wolves would behave in a certain way, and it's dangerous.

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Originally Posted by sally

Also, how is Agan still alive? I said she was a wolf on Day One and you all just left her?

That probably tells more about you than me.

I'd rather maybe not lynch EW today either.

satansaloser2005 · 10-31-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm tempted not to vote for sally today because she's just freaking hilarious.

Thanks a lot for the song.

You're welcome!

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Originally Posted by ....Again

I fail to see what's so bad if the wolves try to lynch the BW. First, it's one baddie down. Second, doing so might lead back to them. I don't think the wolves would go heavily after the BW (all of them at least), just because people might pay attention to such behaviour later - but it should be possible to find things in their posts that suggest they know more than the rest of us. It looks like you're intentionally trying to make it sound like the wolves would behave in a certain way, and it's dangerous.

But why wouldn't they go after the BW? Seriously, think about it. The only way to get rid of the BW is to get him/her lynched. And no, they might not all go for him/her, but the people who are saying "yay, look, they tried to kill the BW!" aren't taking into account that the wolves now KNOW who the BW is. Thus, they're not going to kill him/her at Night, which means they'll be going after the rest of us, including our seer and Tom Bombadil, and having a better chance of hitting them than they would have had they not eliminated the BW from their Nightly equation. Hence, not good. Not really bad, either, but also not shiny.

And I have no idea what the wolves would do. I just know that it's a possibility, and thus we need to consider it. Besides, why are you trying to discount my idea when you agree that they will know more than the rest of us? Are you trying to hide something? I can't help but wonder if you're the BW, and not a wolf as I am currently suspecting. Still, you look mighty twitchy, which makes me think I also could have just nailed your battle plan on the head and you're (even more) nervous.

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I'd rather maybe not lynch EW today either.

Good. Me neither. I'd much rather lynch you.

Pitchwife · 10-31-2010, 03:39 PM

Half an hour? Oops, thanks for the correction, sally (and I'm 'pumpkin' now, am I?

) And congratulations on your epic 4000th post!

10-31-2010, 03:09 PM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Many things about this are not good . No, seriously. Yes, there’s no kill toNight, and that’s super, but Nog was a good solid player, and one of the few loud people was have left (until my return, of course, lol). I don’t think the wolves thought he was the seer -well, it’s possible, but I doubt that was their main reason- but if not, he had to have something correct somewhere. Either that or they wanted to keep people’s minds off of other things by killing someone who would lead to a lot of discussion (which it clearly has, so congrats on that). And now to the previous Night’s kill. That is some BAD STUFF, people. The wolves now have one person who they know the role of, and whom they need to get lynched. Thus, obviously, if we catch all/most of the wolves, it should be fairly easy to spot the BW, because the odds are that the wolves will be going after them heavily. Until then, however, we’re flying blind, and the wolves will know later on in the game who not to kill, which gives them a better chance of hitting our seer or Tom Bombadil. So really, I guess it’s not a HORRIBLE thing, but it isn’t the best time for them to hit the BW, because they now have additional knowledge and thus power. Basically, good on us for getting rid of a cobbler, and for the lack of a kill tonight, but we need to get wolves, and we need to dwindle their numbers as soon as possible, because the further we get into the game the more powerful the wolves will be, and the less risks they will have to take in making kills, thus giving them an advantage. Also, how is Agan still alive? I said she was a wolf on Day One and you all just left her? YesterDay she was a possible candidate as well, and yet still, she lives. Unacceptable. She’s at the very least a cobbler (see my list below) and as such needs to die. Let’s take care of that. Nutshell version: killing wolves is good . Let’s do it . Do my points make sense? Epic . And now, a list of everyone and a snippet of my feelings on them. Agan I shan’t lie, Agan is playing a good game, but it’s so terribly obvious to me that she’s evil. From her plans to her attitude toward the whole BW thing (my mostly joking “ah, look, she said the BW is a girl!” aside), I can’t see how she could be a goodie. On the other hand, I very nearly want to keep her around just to argue with her later. Eomer I think that a wolf!Eomer may be more vocal, wanting to help out his pack and whatever, but perhaps he could be the BW? Alternatively, he could be our other cobbler. Still, he needs to die, because he’s totally up to something, and I don’t think it’s a good something. Form No read, which is depressing. I’m guessing, however, that Form isn’t changing form at Night. Greenie Her recent interactions with Agan make me think strange things about her, but she’s a low priority for me right now. I’d totally buy her as a cobbler, but I’m still really blah on her. o_O Dun Too loud! He makes my ears bleed! smirks Other than that, however, I’m not feeling a distinct evil or good vibe from him. He may become a priority later, but for now I’ll leave him alone. Basically I’ve overestimated his guilt before and since I have other people to worry about I’ll leave him alone for right now. However, I also wouldn’t be opposed to his lynch; I just wouldn’t probably go in on it at the moment. Kath She looks reasonable enough, but I think that sweet innocent act could be exactly that. Lottie I’m just waiting for someone to mount a campaign against her, or for her to be randomly killed at Night, but neither are happening. Generally a non-suspected Lottie is a guilty Lottie, so we’ll have to see how the game progresses. For now, however, I’ve not seen much that she’s actually done that would make me suspect her. It’s more of a “why is she still alive?” thing which may happen later on, and will make me headdesk at end game if she is in fact evil. Nerwen Sense, she makes it, and for that reason I shall keep her alive for now. Besides, I think she’s being sneaky, which means she’s innocent. Pitchie I’m getting no read on him, though he’s posted enough. I need to look at him more closely, but I have other people who are a higher priority right now, so let’s just consider him on the discussion table and a possible lynch choice later on in the game (which I just lost). Sally Nuf said. Shasta I think it’s been said, but his interactions with Nog yesterDay are interesting, and to me clear him of at least direct wolvery. He could be the BW, or the other cobbler, but I’m fairly certain that he’s not a proper wolf. Of course, he’s been helpful, so he needs to die anyway. Whoops. :/ Elfie What the whatting what is all I have to say here. His vote toDay makes no sense, unless I’m missing something major, and he’s been far too much of a submarine. Reindeer aside, however, I think that what he does say has a feel of fur to it. Then again, this would be some okay BW behavior, as he comes and goes as he pleases and clearly doesn’t fear being a no-trace Night kill. I think either is a possibility, or perhaps even a cobbler, but I certainly don’t think he’s innocent. Wilwa I’m fairly certain that Vanilwa has the village’s best interest in mind. Volo’s statement at the end of yesterDay is interesting too, though I need to think about it more. Let’s keep in mind, for the sake of argument, that just because Volo protected her doesn’t mean she’s innocent. She could be a wolf, thus negating Volo’s protection on her while still giving him the idea that she is obviously not the BW. Just putting that out there; I’ll say more about it later. But yeah, pretty much, I think Wilwa’s a good one to keep around. On the other hand, let’s not write her off as a known innocent. We know (or at least can assume) that she’s not the BW. That doesn’t mean she’s not evil, and anyone who DOES make that assumption will look fishy in my eyes. And now the mods.... Boro Son of a proud mother and father. May his modly reign be everlasting. Fea Again, enough said. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's a happy 4,000th post to me. Back soon with more thoughts (and less youtube links). ^_^ ETA: I should mention that not all those links are little ghoul friendly. Most of them are just random though. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm. 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10-31-2010, 03:18 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	It means I love you, my little snow cone. <3 ETA: Added youtube link, which took me a bit longer to find than I expected. Huh. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm. Last edited by satansaloser2005; 10-31-2010 at 03:26 PM.

10-31-2010, 03:39 PM	#9
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Half an hour? Oops, thanks for the correction, sally (and I'm 'pumpkin' now, am I?) And congratulations on your epic 4000th post! __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI