T-I-G CVIII: Wolves of the Galadhrim (Game Thread)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Tar-Jêx and Agan are the Lovers and their role is joint-cobblers. They are here to cause chaos and root for the wolves.

...yeah, alright, actually, I'd believe that! Or, well, not exactly cobbler-Lovers, since it would not make sense for a pair of Lovers to act like normal cobblers - since a normal cobbler tries to attract attention and wants to be lynched, whereas the Lovers want nothing less - but I'd believe that we might have a cobbler, and if so, these two (maybe Tar-Jêx more than Agan, because while Tar is a newbie with an unknown playing style, Agan honestly hasn't seemed that much different than normal) might be it. That being said, it's a pretty far stretch, and I wouldn't be voting based on that even if I were to want to vote for a cobbler.

Otherwise, Kit's looked pretty good so far, and I'd like to keep Cop around if only in the hope of enjoying more lovely music. I feel like there are a lot of people who haven't posted at all yet, and I'm not liking the possibility of having to vote when almost half the village has yet to make an appearance.

[McCaber]

Checking in. At first read there really isn't much I've gleaned from the discussion. I'll give a second look and see if anyone leaps out at me.

[Boromir88]

It brings us all, I hope, great sorrow to hear the death of our friend, the maiden, Nerwen.~Tar-Jex

I don't trust anyone who regarded Nerwen as a friend. There's something not right with that sorceress in the woods...getting inside your head and all too!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I don't trust anyone who regarded Nerwen as a friend. There's something not right with that sorceress in the woods...getting inside your head and all too!

This was Boro's only post and I don't see anything there that would make the wolves prioritize him higher than the seer. It was a weird post though, and caught my attention even as he posted; it looked like he implied that he doesn't hold the seer in high regard.

It was after I joked about Nerwen's death being a crime of passion, so it could be that the wolves thought he was playing the role of jealous Nimrodel. Even so, it would be a stretch, especially as Jêx suggested we vote for Boro rather than him.

It could also have been taken as a cobbler hint ("look look the seer is a problem!") but they wouldn't kill a presumed cobbler.

The narration implies he was killed for being a submarine, but that doesn't make sense at all, except if they were worried Nimrodel would be able to protect me. But that seems equally far-fetched because unless they know something we as a village don't, they should've had no reason to think she shares Amroth's powers.

In any case, it looks like they really wanted Boro dead and/or weren't concerned enough about me, counting that if I had dreamed of a wolf, I would have revealed it. This would also imply they're feeling reasonably safe right now.

Righty I have stuff that I need to do (I wasn't counting on being here today), will be back later. Although knowing me I'll probably continue to check in on my phone.

[Rikae]

Sorry everyone, I didn't realize the game would be starting so soon.

That has to be the worst Day 1 I've ever seen. It would have been bad enough if Tar was an ordo.
Well, at least Agan is still alive. Unless there's something else in this game I'm not aware of, with the ranger dead that either means she's a wolf, or the wolves are insane.

EDIT: 3000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kitanna]

I don't have a lot of time right now, so I won't be pulling any quotes or pointing any fingers, but I do have a few thoughts on how Day 1 ended.
1) I'm surprised Agan garnered enough suspicion for one vote, much less three (I think that was her final count)
2) It sucks about Jex, but yesterday was odd to say the least and assuming Agan tells the truth about her role there was no way around lynching a gifted.
3) Given Jex's reaction to my speculation that maybe a lone lover goes over to the wolves, I'm thinking the lovers are on the side of the village, even in death. But what happens to Nimrodel with her lover gone?
4) Rikae, I'm wondering if the wolves are trying to be bold and frame up Agan. It's a small village, just a little bit of doubt goes a long way. If Agan is a wolf, she's a daring one who was smart to wait until the end of day when a counter reveal was less likely. I trust her more for withholding her dreams because it'd be easy for a wolf to say "I dreamt Boro and now he's dead." If that makes sense. We'll see how today shakes out I guess.

Excuse any typos, I'm WWing from my phone.

[Rikae]

It would be foolish of the wolves to leave her alive to have another dream, lynch-able as her survival might make her.
It's also interesting that she says she dreamed of Nimrodel...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, at least Agan is still alive. Unless there's something else in this game I'm not aware of, with the ranger dead that either means she's a wolf, or the wolves are insane.

This. I was 99% sure I would wake up to find Agan dead - she'd outed herself as the Seer seconds before we lynched our Ranger, there was no reason for the wolves not to kill her. Unless, I guess, she was heavily suspicious of one of their own, and they didn't want to point fingers at themselves? But even that doesn't make sense. It was Day 1, she hadn't had time to be heavily suspicious of anyone, and the wolves could have just said, "oh, she was killed for being the Seer, not for suspecting any of us."

I guess maybe the wolves knew we'd suspect her for not having been killed, and hoped we'd lynch her today. But that seems risky - what if she'd dreamed of a wolf? It's a bold play, and one I'm not sure we could reasonably attribute to the wolves.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

So yeah I'm going to withhold my dreams for a while longer because I want to see some reactions first. However - Nimrodel, I dreamed of you but won't reveal you unless you okay it.

Nimrodel is the only other gifted left, right? So, Agan says that she happened to dream of her, and then says she won't reveal who it is without her permission. Which, fair enough, I guess, but that's also the most convenient excuse to not have to be right about dreams currently possible in this game. I'm not convinced.

Note: If Agan's reveal is fake, I don't think we necessarily need a counter-reveal by the real Galadriel. If you wouldn't normally have revealed toDay, don't worry about having to debunk Agan. We'll find out soon enough whether or not she's lying, whether that means we disbelieve her and lynch her (which, I would actually wait another Day, just to be on the safe side) or, if she is actually the real Seer, I can't believe the wolves would risk leaving her alive another Night.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

3) Given Jex's reaction to my speculation that maybe a lone lover goes over to the wolves, I'm thinking the lovers are on the side of the village, even in death. But what happens to Nimrodel with her lover gone?

Which reaction? This was all I could find:

Originally Posted by Tar-Jêx

So far, the facts we know about the lovers are: Amroth is also a ranger and the nature of the relationship has been accentuated to arouse suspicion surrounding their roles.

I doubt that Amroth would also be a cobbler, because 3 roles seems far too many for one person. If they were to be lynched, it would take a lot of interest out of the game in one hit. However, the text about Nimrodel seems most intriguing. I am led to believe that Nimrodel has more than one objective, similar to Amroth's dual objective. 2 wolves is too few, but 3 is too many. A cobbler would fill this mid-space quite well, and could be Nimrodel's other role.

It seems possible to me that Tar didn't actually know.

At any rate, I'm not suggesting we lynch Agan now. If she's a wolf,that will become increasingly clear, after all.

Edit: X'd with Lottie

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Loslote

...yeah, alright, actually, I'd believe that! Or, well, not exactly cobbler-Lovers, since it would not make sense for a pair of Lovers to act like normal cobblers - since a normal cobbler tries to attract attention and wants to be lynched, whereas the Lovers want nothing less -

It's werewolf. Anything could happen. Maybe the ranger protects lynches rather than Night kills! (I don't actually think that, just more wild speculation for the fun of it.)

I'm all for wild speculation today, but on a serious note: It was a long day. I just came home from a holiday office party which means it's bedtime and there's a 95% chance I'll sleep through the DL.

At this time no one has actually said anything to raise my suspicions, but I don't think there's been a game where I haven't voted on even the weakest of suspicions so I will vote.

Usually I'd vote for Sally because it's a long standing tradition to suspect her, but she hasn't spoken so of those that have I randomly vote for

++Tar-Jêx

I made a list of those who spoke, closed my eyes, and pointed. This has nothing to do with my wild speculation from earlier, but really was just a random pick. I hate not to vote.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I made a list of those who spoke, closed my eyes, and pointed. This has nothing to do with my wild speculation from earlier, but really was just a random pick. I hate not to vote.

I'll probably have to do something similar if nothing happens in the next half hour or so, unfortunately, though I'd probably pick from among the people who I haven't a) gotten a good feeling off of and b) played with before - so between everyone except Kit, Cop, Agan, Tar, or Farael. I mean, I guess that excludes a little over half the village, so there's that, at least!

[Tar-Jêx]

I can respect Kitanna's decision and obligation to vote, however, I strongly disapprove of the choice. I feel that not voting at this point would be dangerous for my own safety, and so out of self defense, I must return the favor.

I am yet undecided as who to choose, as none of you seem to be wolves. I shall do the same as Lostlote and wait a bit before making a decision.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Tar-Jêx

I shall do the same as Lostlote and wait a bit before making a decision.

Lostlote indeed! Fumbling around in the dark, trying to light upon some sliver of suspicion...I've missed this game.

The only thing I've got, really, is a bit of confusion (in all honestly, probably based more on the fact that it's almost two in the morning and I've been yawning since eight) about this post:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I don't trust anyone who regarded Nerwen as a friend. There's something not right with that sorceress in the woods...getting inside your head and all too!

I'm not sure what Boro is saying, and at two in the morning on Day 1, I guess that'll have to be as good as anything.

++Boro

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Lostlote indeed! Fumbling around in the dark, trying to light upon some sliver of suspicion...I've missed this game.

That was most certainly intentional, and my way of saying that you have no idea what you are doing. To be fair, none of us, save the wolves, have any clue. In fact, we should be the most suspicious of those who seem to know what they are doing. At this point, we are basically chatting about what we've been up to. Don't bother hopping on the anti-Jêx bandwagon, as there is no evidence except for my outrageous ego. You must also think to yourself, 'Why would a wolf make themselves noticed on Day 1?'

Kitanna has awful reasons for voting, but she isn't accusing for a particular reason like Boro was. I still have yet to be convinced of any one person who we should lynch. This is not to say I trust any of you, I just don't have any proof of werewolfdom.