Eorling Mead Hall Planning/Discussion Thread

[littlemanpoet]

Oh! You're so mean!

Firefoot, Lys would have come, unless I am very greatly mistaken. He's Thornden's charge. He should be able to help you some. And pretty much anybody who's not working on something that has to be done just then will probably be able to lend a hand - they're in Rohan, I imagine everyone can handle a horse briefly.

Thornden wants to help construct the baker and the kitchen, otherwise I'd offer his services. Sorry.

-- Folwren"Yes" to everything in Foley's last post. :D

EDIT: Great post, Foley! Really good! Grimlin, eh? :)

There should be enough rope.

[Nogrod]

Firefoot: I ended my post with a suggestion to Léof. Feel free to accept or deny it.

Others: Will there be someone who would wish to take a glance at the ruins for the ridgepole? Stigend and Garstan are going but if they find it in good enough condition they might need help to carry it (they can sure call for help then also).

lmp: if you have any special finds in mind from the ruins we can just miss them at this point as we would be only looking for the ridgepole...

[Folwren]

Nogrod, Thornden will be more than glad to help carry the ridgepole over, as well as do any other task you give him - the harder or more strenuous the better.

Elempi, is Grimlin alright? I wasn't sure if I'd heard it before or what. I almost put down Grima, but that has a bad conotation to it, what with Wormtongue and all...

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

Alrighty! Who's posting next? Firefoot? Thinlomien? Kath? Lhuna? :)

[Kath]

I will be posting with a conversation between Kara and Ginna in a bit, probably tomorrow though it may be Saturday.

[littlemanpoet]

The fence, I'm thinking, while not burned like the buildings, is dilapidated, and has many parts missing, having been removed by opportunists who needed easy wood.

Foley and I have written one PM post, a conversation between Eodwine and Javan, which I will save until it fits with the time of Day, which is supper time.

Meantime, she and I will begin another one, because the conversation is not finished. :p

So feel free to post as much as you like, and to move time along as much as you like, too.

[Nogrod]

Okay I'll carry us from that Firefoot.

I'll try it tomorrow but I can't promise at least yet.

[Folwren]

Meantime, she and I will begin another one, because the conversation is not finished. :p

Marvelous. :rolleyes: PM posts are fun, but you make one think hard.....especially in Javan's place.

So feel free to post as much as you like, and to move time along as much as you like, too.

Thank you. Nogrod (and anyone else who knows the technical business side of all this), I'd like to have Thornden go cut down a tree. Is this doable? Do you need small-ish trees cut for the posts and beems and whatnot for your baker? I'm picturing trees about three to four inches in diameter being used for the upright posts. What are your thougths?

-- Foley

P.S. Elempi, disregarding the sarcasm above, I am ready to begin whenever you are, and I am looking forward to it, too. :)

[Thinlómien]

Thank you. Nogrod (and anyone else who knows the technical business side of all this), I'd like to have Thornden go cut down a tree. Is this doable? Do you need small-ish trees cut for the posts and beems and whatnot for your baker? I'm picturing trees about three to four inches in diameter being used for the upright posts. What are your thougths? Nogrod says "yes, go on". And he's writing a reply atm.

[Nogrod]

lmp: if you think that's an opening against your wishes please tell me and I'll change it...

Firefoot & Foley: Everything's all right?

[littlemanpoet]

Leof was placed in charge of the "horses and other livestock"... what else is there? A cow, I think, and chickens??I meant to answer this earlier but forgot to. The livestock consist of a number of head of cattle, chickens, and pigs. I don't care how many, but certainly more than two cattle and two pigs, and at least a half dozen chickens and one cock.

Noggie, your post gave the perfect opening for the kind of post I wanted to write next for Eodwine. I wasn't sure how I was going to pull it off, and lo and behold, you gave me the perfect opening. Nice work! :)

[Folwren]

Nogrod, one request of change only - when Stigend calls Thornden and Thornden replies with “Now what is it?” it sounds like he's impatient and grumpy. Please change it to simply "What is it?" O-or.......better yet, if he's already near Leof, he likely sees what's going on and has heard Leof's call and knows that he needs help......so! How 'bout it is changed thusly:

“I’m at the corner! Wait!” called Léof as he reached the actual corner of the house. “The corner is still intact here as it has not being burnt down! I need help! I can’t hoist this over it myself”

“Thornden!” Stigend yelled out aloud wishing to hear a reply.

"I'm here!" came the answer from near enough and from the direction Léof was in. "I'll help him..." Stigend couldn’t see Thornden from behind the cloud of ashes their advance had produced but he realised he was near Léof.

That alright? :) (<- Sweet smile.)

EDIT: Elempi, let me know if I handled Eodwine's feelings and appearence incorrectly.

[littlemanpoet]

"terribly terribly wrong" seems a bit much. "not quite right" would be better, in my opinion.

In my mind's eye Eodwine's posture wasn't THAT much different, but if ANY postural change in Eodwine is going to seem important to Thornden, then it's fine.

Both point above are cautions not to overstate things, because they may raise the bar too high too soon. It's hard to build much of a crescendo from forte, if you know what I mean. ;)

[Nogrod]

I edited my post as you asked Foley. Sorry but I'm not too confident with nuances although now after you said it I do see Thornden sounded a bit grumpy there... I also changed some other details from the latter part of the post as well to make it look a bit more logical...

I'll make a brief post to make Stigend answer lord Eodwine so that you can take it from there.

[Folwren]

Both point above are cautions not to overstate things, because they may raise the bar too high too soon. It's hard to build much of a crescendo from forte, if you know what I mean. ;)

Point is well said. I'll change my post accordingly. I wasn't sure about it, that's why I asked for your input.

I edited my post as you asked Foley. Sorry but I'm
not too confident with nuances although now after you said it I do see Thornden sounded a bit grumpy there... I also changed some other details from the latter part of the post as well to make it look a bit more logical...

Thanks, Nogrod. And don't apologize. You're doing well and usually things are fine. :)

[Kath]

Whoops my apologies, didn't quite get that post written. Might manage it tonight, depends on dinner.

[littlemanpoet]

Nogrod, you have done admirably in characterizing Eodwine. However, I don't really want Eodwine to come off as having completely "lost it". Therefore, where you have "said not a word" (or something to that effect), I need Eodwine instead to come back out of himself and say something self-conscious but to the point. How about this: Eodwine blinked hard once and cleared his throat. "I am sorry, Stigend. Your news has brought back nightmares from the War, if you understand me."

Also, you have Stigend talking to Thornden as if Eodwine is standing there having lost consciousness. I would appreciate it if you could make it a three-way conversation toward the end of your post.

I would not ask for these changes except that I have a rather refined idea of how Eodwine is processing this, and I need your post to reflect that. :)

[Nogrod]

I do appreaciate your points lmp. Will be done in a few minutes...

[Nogrod]

I hope it's better now.

And do as you wish. Stigend will go back to the ruins if Eodwine tells him to but there's the baker to be built as well and that might involve other characters as well - like digging the ruins would.

If we are in something like early afternoon we shouldn't have any hurry one way or another?

[littlemanpoet]

A splendid revision, Nogrod. Much thanks! :)

Foley, you can have Thornden speak first if you like.

It would be fine for Stigend or Thornden (or both) to suggest that Stigend's mastery in carpentry would be better put to use on the necessary projects, as anybody can go digging through a ruin.

[Folwren]

Foley, you can have Thornden speak first if you like.

First come, first serve, in this case, me-thinks, Elempi. I'll post if I can, but if you can before me, don't wait up.

[Folwren]

Posted. Once more, just let me know if anything needs to be changed and I shall do so as soon as possible.

[Firefoot]

I just want to apologize for how long it's been taking me to post... I've been so busy. Tomorrow I should have time though - I'll get a post up then.

[Firefoot]

Post up. Let me know if I didn't handle Eodwine alright, Elempi.

[Nogrod]

Firefoot: I've lived in the countryside sometime during my childhood. You don't basically need to tie pigs or chicken anywhere (and how would you do that?). They stay where they know their next meal is coming. It's also almost as true with the cows even if they might be a bit more persuaded to go and see whether there is something interesting behind the next corner...

The more important thing with the livestock is that you need to guard them from outside: foxes, wolves... and there a rope isn't the best tool.

So I think we might concentrate on tying the horses and to shielding the livestock from predators.

What say you?

[Firefoot]

That makes sense, Nogrod. Thanks for the input... I've obviously never lived on a farm or even outside the suburbs.

In that case... I wouldn't think that you'd want to put the pigs and chickens in the same shelter as the people. I would suggest converting one of the wagons into a makeshift chicken house, but if more trips are going to be made to Edoras the wagons are probably going to be needed... any suggestions (from anyone)?

I'll be editing my post shortly.

[Nogrod]

In that case... I wouldn't think that you'd want to put the pigs and chickens in the same shelter as the people. In the old times that indeed was the case... the livestock and the people lived under the same roof. And there was an advantage to that as well as fex. cows emitted so much body heat that it was warmer during winters if the cattle lived with you inside... :)

Surely it was unhygienic and uncomfortable and when people got richer they threw the livestock to their own buildings.

I would suggest converting one of the wagons into a makeshift chicken houseI think this is a good idea indeed. And maybe building a makeshift pen for the pigs and let the cows overnight at the corner of the baker? And all these pretty near the baker where people sleep.

There should anyway be at least one person in guard during the nights as long as proper sheds for the animals could be constructed. As I said the animals have more threaths from outside. After they can be locked in somewhere from the predators then all the people can sleep as well...

[Folwren]

I'd suggest just letting the chickens roost in trees during the night. If they free range, the job of catching them at night to put them anywhere (into a makeshift coop or whatever) is going to be difficult, if not impossible...depending on how not hand tame they are.
Do we have any dogs? There should be a couple and if they're of any use at all, they'll at least work to keep watch at night against wild animals.

I don't know anything about the pigs and cows.

-- Folwren

[Nogrod]

A few dogs might prove their worth in this situation herding the livestock and watching for the beasts that would prey them...

So do we have ones? :)

[littlemanpoet]

We don't have dogs, and we sure do need them! :eek: If any of Eodwine's troop suggests that we ought to have them, he will commission said suggester to go find some, even spend coin! (besides, I love writing dogs) :D

[Folwren]

What next, my hearties? :)

[Nogrod]

I could write something on the building of the baker in a day or two.

Does lmp have any ideas whether there should be things happening on the day we're in as if I write about the building and go so far as to finish it, it will mean the hour will be quite late indeed.

I could as well post for just the beginning of the construction if that would give chances for other writers to take part in those actions.

I mean in the end the question becomes who are around and what they'd like to post on this day in the story.

[littlemanpoet]

I mean in the end the question becomes who are around and what they'd like to post on this day in the story.My attitude toward rpg's at the Downs has evolved into, "whoever is here and posting, drives the story." It's frustrating and a waste of time to wait for people who aren't around enough to carry a Day or a scenario. So, those of us who are here and writing and have ideas for our characters, do post.

I have plans for Eodwine to throw a fit that trees are getting cut down, since the row fronting the Scarburg land are some of the only tall trees around. He might just forgive Thornden for murdering a sapling or two, but with all the stone in this stony land called the Scar and Scarburg, he will want the buildings to be built of stone, with wood only where necessary. So go haul it from wherever your characters find it.

I'm missing Lhuna! :( (... and here big untold secret.)

Eodwine will also sneak into the ruin with a lantern or somesuch and look for the dead bodies himself. A little ghoulish and morbid, but well, he's got a past to deal with.

And of course there's the continuing dialogue/cross-examination with Javan to write - which I haven't had time to get going on, with so much other stuff (my car died, church planning and politics have been really occupying my time, et cetera).

[Folwren]

Whoops. I didn't think that Thornden would need to ask Eodwine's permission to chop down a tree for the baker. :eek:

And I just found out today (just made plans that is) that I'll be gone all next week, from Sunday to Sunday. I...doubt that I'll touch a computer in my absence, and if I do, I won't have time to write an actual post. I apologize in advance.

But Elempi, if you want to start and write that PM post before then, I am willing and able...at least to write part of it. :) However, don't feel rushed. At this point time, I know very well what it's like being crazily, insanely busy.

[littlemanpoet]

Whoops. I didn't think that Thornden would need to ask Eodwine's permission to chop down a tree for the baker. :eek:Nor should you. Thornden doesn't know all of Eodwine's quirks, and he's been rather close with information this Day. Besides, it'll make for an interesting conflict later. ;)

[Folwren]

Nor should you. Thornden doesn't know all of Eodwine's quirks, and he's been rather close with information this Day. Besides, it'll make for an interesting conflict later. ;)

I know. And that's fine, too... But at the time of the said conflict I am going to seriously wonder how on earth I got both my characters into trouble with Eodwine on the same day. ;)

[Folwren]

I beg everyone's pardon, but I'm about to leave home and will not have time to respond for Thornden. Bah. Oh well.

See you all when I get back, and I am so sorry I'm not caught up.

[Nogrod]

Firefoot: I took a liberty of borrowing Léof once again. If you do not wish him to take part I can always write some "new men at arms" there.

But I wasn't quite sure who there actually were at the place and I knew your character was... and it's nicer to write with someone than using different NPCs all the time. :)

I can continue that building-stuff hopefully pretty soon but if someone wishes to react at this point please do so.

[Firefoot]

Quite alright, Nogrod. :)

Just... I'm a little confused about how they're doing this. So they're using trees to support the ridgepole (the long one across the top, right?)? And Leof's going to climb up into the tree, and then something with a rope...? Is it going to be like a pulley to get the ridgepole up that high?

[Nogrod]

So they're using trees to support the ridgepole (the long one across the top, right?)? And Leof's going to climb up into the tree, and then something with a rope...? Is it going to be like a pulley to get the ridgepole up that high?Basically like that.

They have three big trees in a row. Garmund and Cnebba will take ropes over the stout branches (somewhere at 5-7 yards high or something) and Stigend will take the hardest one where there will be no branch at the right level.

After the long ropes are taken over the branches by the three climbers (kids & Stigend) they will drop the other ends of the ropes down (so they make a loop over the branch). The ridgepole will be tied to the other ends left down in the beginning and then it can be "pulleyed" up pulling from the ends the kids and Stigend throw back down.

Then Léof needs to climb up and help pulling the weighty pole over the branch it should rest on - like Harreld and... well Stigend has a harder one as he needs to make it hang by a rope steadily at the same height as the other two. The kids will come back down as it might be dangerous to them and surely they don't have the strength to do it.

(Why I wish to make that third one a bit more problematic? Well it would be too easy and unbelievable if there just were three trees that had good thick branches at the exact same height so that they just needed to pull the pole over them...) :)

I hope you got my plan...

[Firefoot]

Okay, I gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Folwren]

I'm back again, and the only thing I'd like to say now (besides that by tomorrow I'll have written for Thornden) is, why does Falco and probably any other character that decides to do something like sneaking off get away with it but Javan doesn't? ;)

I need to do some more catching up in other places. It's nuts being away for over a week. :eek:

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

I'm back again, and the only thing I'd like to say now (besides that by tomorrow I'll have written for Thornden) is, why does Falco and probably any other character that decides to do something like sneaking off get away with it but Javan doesn't? ;)

Because he's not Javan. :p Welcome back!

[Folwren]

Because he's not Javan. :p

Not fair! I should file a complaint! Call the authorities! I'll sue! I'll also lose. :p

Welcome back!

Thank you. :) I had fun.

And I've posted for Thornden. I don't know if it was entirely in character. It's so hard to express thoughts without being loquacious. And Thornden's thoughts are so confused right now. But I fear he's made a mistake. Fire away, Elempi.

[littlemanpoet]

Many ages ago (like perhaps 2 years), Nerindel posted up a link to Regia Anglorum that I immediately bookmarked. The Downs being somewhat slow, of late, I was casting about for interesting old sites, and started reading the site's contents, and have found it quite engaging. If your character is a parent, the link below provides a couple of fascinating occupations for which the parent's children might go into apprenticeship for. The links are a little more than half way down the "page", to the left of the photo there.

Ango-Saxon occupations (http://www.regia.org/village/village.htm)

[littlemanpoet]

I'm going to be leaving the Barrowdowns soon. Nothing wrong, it's just time. It may not be permanent, but I must treat it as if it is so. That said, I have 4 rpgs to which I have commitments, including this one, and I will fulfill these commitments as best I can.

How to do so with an endless rpg? Well, I'm going to have to pass the baton. I'm giving that some thought right now.

Be sure that I won't leave until things are sorted out.

When I leave, I'll be give you an email address and my xanga link so anybody who wishes to can keep in touch.

[littlemanpoet]

I think I'll find time to get an answer to Thornden today.

[Folwren]

I deem that whoever posts nexts (Elempi, Nogrod, Firefoot) could have Thornden and Eodwine arriving with their tree. :) We're pretty close, whatever happens.

[littlemanpoet]

I'll post for Falco some time today, I think.

Anyone who posts a part of the interaction between Thornden, Stigend, Garstan, and Eodwine, et. al., feel free to make note that Rowenna happens to be busy within hearing, though "apparently" not paying attention. She's really quite an eavesdropper, which I'm sure at least some of you have noticed by now. ;) (She has her reasons)

[Thinlómien]

I have a bad feeling about Falco's trip...

I would write something but I don't feel like I'm particularly needed and I already should write to three other RPGs so I'm afraid Mead Hall has to take the last priority as always... :rolleyes: :( :)

[littlemanpoet]

Well phooey, Lommie! No wonder EMH runs so slow (and I post so much more than everybody else). You're only as (un)needed as you make yourself be. SOMEbody has to initiate stuff in order for other writers to have something to pick up on. If you need Foley or me to initiate something in your direction in order for you to feel like you have something to write, we can do it. Just give the word. (do you sense a little pent up frustration singing from the teapot?) (sigh)

[Folwren]

Well, certainly! I can cook up any sort of trouble you would like! I mean, initiate anything of importance that your characters can take part in. :p

And Elempi, like Lommie, I, too, have a bad feeling about Falco wandering off after a stranger. :eek:

[littlemanpoet]

Oh, I get it. You think I'm trying to kill off all my characters. The thought hadn't occurred to me in regard to Falco.

[Thinlómien]

Ok, point taken. I'll post... as soon as I can but given that I'm going to be quite busy today *mutters something about ww and job applications* and tomorrow *mutters something about RPGs she has promised to reply on Monday at the latest, an interview she has to make and about cleaning her room before some relatives come to visit* and on Wednesday *mutters something about having an "obligation" to see RL friends, possibly playing ww and about visiting cousins* and the rest of the week as well *mutters more about visiting relatives*, I can't promise it's soon. :D :(

[littlemanpoet]

This has been stalled, so I'm moving it on.

I suggested to Firefoot that she might use my last post regarding Falco as a jumping off point for Scyld, which she seemed positive about, but has yet to use it. So I'll leave that thread hanging for now and the Falco/Scyld story (if it ever materializes) can be filled in later.

[Firefoot]

I'm sorry. I've really been ridiculously busy, including being out of town all weekend.

I've been hoping to bring Scyld back since before that RPG ended, and was happy for the chance, but I'm not sure it would be fair to do so - I don't have the time to commit to his character. I scarcely have time for Leof, and I haven't posted for him in ages.

[littlemanpoet]

Well, Firefoot, this rpg is entertainment and RL is RL, so I understand. Don't worry about it. We'll just carry on here.

[littlemanpoet]

There seems to be a lack of interest in this rpg. Should it just stop?

I would like someone else to post before I do again, but if nobody does before the weekend is out, I will.

[Kath]

There is a great deal of interest but a distinct lack of time! Once this weekend is over I should be able to get a post up ... if you can wait that long.

[Folwren]

There seems to be a lack of interest in this rpg. Should it just stop?

I would like someone else to post before I do again, but if nobody does before the weekend is out, I will.

Wrong assumption. As Kath said, not lack of interest by a long shot - but lack of time. Tomorrow is my day off, and I intend to write some posts for the RPGs I'm in.


-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Just testing the waters. A solid week of NOTHING tempts me to do that.

[Folwren]

Well, I posted...and that post sure didn't turn out the way I quite expected. Thornde's been really cranky lately, I guess...:confused:???

Hope we can keep things moving from here.

-- Folwren

[Groin Redbeard]

There seems to be a lack of interest in this rpg. Should it just stop?

I would like someone else to post before I do again, but if nobody does before the weekend is out, I will.

Well if you need another player I'll be happy to join. I've had my eye on this RPG for awhile and I've just about made up my mind to join it, if that's alright with the moderater.

[Thinlómien]

For my part, it's both relative lack of time and uncertainity of the future of the Hall. It feels odd to post normally when we have no idea what's going to be or change...

[Folwren]

I'm sure you'll be very welcome to the game, Groin! I'm not the moderator, but it's certainly allowed, and we do need new players. Littlemanpoet or Nogrod should get on eventually and say something. :D

-- Folwren

[Nogrod]

Well if you need another player I'll be happy to join. I've had my eye on this RPG for awhile and I've just about mad up my mind to join it, if that's alright with the moderater.Good to hear that Groin!

One thing that has kept me away from this of late is the fact that the RPG is kind of changing hands soon - and in the discussion for that change no one has answered my last questions in a long time... *ermcougherm*.

So a few things are up in the air right at the moment.

But why not start the boosting here even if all the details are not quite worked out yet? The main things will remain anyhow like the main characters and the setting - and the last posts.

So what would you want to be Groin? Someone lord Eodwine has hired from Edoras to join him (with certain needed skills to establish a new Mead Hall) or someone just wandering around and seeing people making a settlement and wishing to join out of curiosity (or whatever reasons you come up with) or being just a passer-by who might then consider joining in the end? There's a host of possibilities...

But you're truly wellcome! And I hope and think we'll be having a few more new faces turning in soon as well to boost this story up once again.

[Groin Redbeard]

Yay, thank you Folwren and Nogrod for your approvals and welcomes!:D

So what would you want to be Groin? Someone lord Eodwine has hired from Edoras to join him (with certain needed skills to establish a new Mead Hall)
That suggestion isn't far from what I had in mind. I was thinking that I could be someone brought to Mead Hall to help with the building a new one, but wether my character has a talent in building or is just a hired hand is something I'll have to think about.

Thanks again for you warm welcomes and I'll be ready to post whenever you need me.:)

[piosenniel]

Miscellaneous Links transferred to the Scarburg Meadhall:

1.) Anglo-Saxon culture and Horses (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=440298&postcount=16).

2.) Rohirrim-Dunlending relations (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=443984&postcount=52).

3.) On Bailliffs, Stewards, and Almbudsmen (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=450429&postcount=124).

4.) Medieval boy/girl stuff: "rolling in the hay" (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com./showpost.php?p=451292&postcount=141).

5.) Eorling Mead Hall Plan - HERE (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=481&d=1184524353)

[piosenniel]

All Players in the Mead Hall: (you, too, Groin Redbeard!)

I've opened up this thread (In Transition: Innkeeper (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14710)) for your help/comments/suggestions about starting up the new version of the Rohan Mead Hall.

Please check into the thread and give the team your thoughts.

Thanks!

~*~ Pio

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Everyone

Let's switch the discussion now of the ongoing game to the new thread for the Scarburg Meadhall.

Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread - HERE (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14744)

Scarburg Meadhall game thread - HERE (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14745)

I've transferred the last posts from 962 onward (dealing with the move to Scarburg) from the Eorling Mead Hall game thread to the new Scarburg game thread.

Thanks!

~*~ Pio

[piosenniel]

Moving to: Elvenhome