Eorling Mead Hall Planning/Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Okay. Save filled, then. They're leaving the kitchen and repairing to the Great, roofless Hall, much to Thornden's disapointment.

-- Folwren

[Nerindel]

Young Aedhel is a valuable asset to any household. I shall suggest the Lord send her to study under the Healer who came the night we arrived. I think there is much talent hidden in her retiring manner.

Love it Jenny :D that ties in wonderfully, LMP you will remember that in a previous post I had the healer pull Eodwine aside, it had been my thought then to have the healer remark on her knowledge of healing, even enquiring after her tutelage. This should give Eodwine some thought when Marenil mentions it too.

[littlemanpoet]

Love it Jenny :D that ties in wonderfully, LMP you will remember that in a previous post I had the healer pull Eodwine aside, it had been my thought then to have the healer remark on her knowledge of healing, even enquiring after her tutelage. This should give Eodwine some thought when Marenil mentions it too.I like it.

I haven't caught up on all the posts written since I peeked my head in here about three days ago, and I'll use tonight to catch up and write one myself.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

There shall be no saves at the Eorling Mead Hall rpg from here on out.

I shall blithely plagiarize Pio: The Mead Hall can do without SAVES. If you're going to be gone for a while, please ask other gamers to carry your character according to your wishes. The pace of the Mead Hall rpg thread is slow enough so that we don't need saves.

If you there's something crucial you need to post but can't at the time, you can post it to this thread and ask for Pio to insert it in the appropriate place on the rpg. Simply post a quick general idea of what you'd like to have your character do, and ask for a volunteer to work it into our posts if you don't have the time to write the post yourself.

Oh, and if there's any doubt, I personally don't like 'em. I can count how many I've done on one hand, and a good half of those were jokes. Ask Fea, she'll tell you. :p

Any questions?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ask Fea, she'll tell you.
Oh will I.

Any questions?
Where do babies come fr--

Oh, you meant game-wise. Nope. I'm good. :cool:

[Folwren]

ANNOUNCEMENT:

There shall be no saves at the Eorling Mead Hall rpg from here on out.

Sorry. I figured I'd broken some law or other when I stuck up my save last night.

Any questions?

Aye, am I forgiven?

(I'm guessing I am.)

(Edit: But you never know. Some people ask for a certain amount of pushups on such occasions.)

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Oh my oh my. We have descended almost into 'camp' (posts 137&138). :p Who will rescue us?

Lin was aware, in a detached sort of way...Detached, my foot. :D

Alcarillo, please delete your post # 143, write what you need to here, and ask (on this thread) for Pio to place it where you want it. Thanks!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

See what we get up to without your steady guidance? We need you here, Elempi. Otherwise teenage romances spring up. :cool:

[JennyHallu]

Oh come on...teenage romances spring up with or without mature and adult guidance (your birthday is over, lmp, now we can pick on you again ;) ).

And this teenage romance was too perfect an opportunity to pass by.



Besides, campy angsty fiction is fun to write.

EDIT:
*creepy ghost noises* Yes, she's aaallllwaaaaayyssss here....:eek:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And this teenage romance was too perfect an opportunity to pass by.
Especially, LMP, if you ever do write that special bit of conflict that you've now said may never happen. Can you imagine?

[JennyHallu]

I've set it up (btw) to give Marenil his bad news letter...now I'm going to put the actual event off for a while for greater effect. (translated: I'm feeling guilty about it again. Never write characters you like! Write characters you WANT nasty things to happen to!)

EDIT:

Fea, I do not handle suspense well....just a warning...:mad: :D :rolleyes:

[littlemanpoet]

Especially, LMP, if you ever do write that special bit of conflict that you've now said may never happen. Can you imagine?
Ooh, you're a bad girl.

Never write characters you like! Write characters you WANT nasty things to happen to!Oh, you know very well it doesn't work that way. The worst stuff happens to the characters you care most about.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ooh, you're a bad girl.
I know. *looks guilty and innocent at the same time*

But wouldn't that just... make for some really great writing?

Okay, Jen. I'll be nice now and stop. :D

[JennyHallu]

Okay, Jen. I'll be nice now and stop. :D
Too late.

Oh, you know very well it doesn't work that way. The worst stuff happens to the characters you care most about.
Oh I know... *sigh*

The characters I don't like tend to lead very boring lives anyway, as I don't particularly care what happens to them.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The characters I don't like tend to lead very boring lives anyway, as I don't particularly care what happens to them.
*shudders remembering some characters*

I know what you mean. I very nearly killed them in exasperation. I figured that death would add a bit of interest to their lives. :cool:

[JennyHallu]

I know what you mean. I very nearly killed them in exasperation. I figured that death would add a bit of interest to their lives. :cool:
The more violent the death, the better. Good way to deal with frustration.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The more violent the death, the better. Good way to deal with frustration.
Somebody at home got their eyes stabbed out. They had to leave. Excuse courtesy of the 'Downs's very own burrahobbit. :cool:

[JennyHallu]

I once kicked an experienced Rider of Rohan off his horse and over an unpredictably placed cliff. Broke his neck.

When other RPers questioned me about it, I told them the spirit of Eorl dwelt in those rocks and he agreed with me the character was boring and irritating.

I did offer to continue to play using the much-more-interesting horse as my character, but for some reason they turned me down.

I have never built a character I didn't like since.

[JennyHallu]

Hi! Back again! (hmm...did she leave? You'll never know...)

Anyway just wanted to specify that the Spoonerism was intentional, should anyone wonder.

[littlemanpoet]

Oh, what a mess I've made now. How will everybody react?

[Alcarillo]

Alcarillo, please delete your post # 143, write what you need to here, and ask (on this thread) for Pio to place it where you want it. Thanks!
D'oh! Sorry! I had filled it in by the time I saw this.

[Firefoot]

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm back and will be posting tomorrow morning (I'm too tired just now). Great writing, everybody! (And I mean that. There were a couple times where I half forgot that I was sitting at my computer at all).

[Folwren]

Okay, I'm about to post a post with the assumption that when this make-shift Mead Hall fell, it fell on top of all those people who had gathered there. If this assumption is incorrect, then my post is completely obsolete, in which case, carry on as if it weren't there and I will delete it when this mistake has been corrected.

However, so long as my assumption is correct, consider the post as standing.
Firefoot and Alcarillo - I have called your characters, willing or unwilling, out of the stables to help. I wouldn't advise telling Thornden you were busy right now.

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

I wouldn't advise telling Thornden you were busy right now. :eek: I'm sure that would go well... :eek: I'm not sure that Leof would have it in him to say something like that anyway.

[littlemanpoet]

D'oh! Sorry! I had filled it in by the time I saw this.
No problem, Alca. Hope you didn't delete it....

Okay, I'm about to post a post with the assumption that when this make-shift Mead Hall fell, it fell on top of all those people who had gathered there.Actually, it's the REAL mead hall that has fallen in, with the residents safely in the temporary one. So the only problem for them is they're all covered in dust and dirty water. Ick.

So, Folwren, it'd be great, but it ain't what happened. Maybe you could change your post to have Thornden fear the worst and BE AFRAID that people might be under there?

[JennyHallu]

I liked Folwren's post...but I also don't think we need the extra drama. Half the Inn is already recovering from some medical crisis or another--more injuries is just redundant. Could Folwren adjust her post to rescuing, say, Frodides, and Kara if she stayed in the kitchen?

EDIT: Missed your edit, lmp...anyway, I'm not posting until tomorrow...must sleep. (I guess she does leave the Downs...imagine that)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If you'd be so kind as to tell me what needs doing, gallant Degas will do it. But not until after classes are over and I'm done enjoying the hot sunshine on my well sunscreened back.

[Firefoot]

So, Folwren, it'd be great, but it ain't what happened. Maybe you could change your post to have Thornden fear the worst and BE AFRAID that people might be under there? I am going to start writing my post with this assumption - Folwren, if you decide you want to do something else with it, I'll change it.

[Folwren]

No problem, Alca. Hope you didn't delete it....

Actually, it's the REAL mead hall that has fallen in, with the residents safely in the temporary one. So the only problem for them is they're all covered in dust and dirty water. Ick.

So, Folwren, it'd be great, but it ain't what happened. Maybe you could change your post to have Thornden fear the worst and BE AFRAID that people might be under there?

Ah, shucks. I was getting excited. ;) Well, I'll see what I can do in the course of this morning.

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

Folwren, can you still have Thornden shout out to Leof and Garwine? I'm having some fun in the stables - post should be up fairly soon...

[Folwren]

Hm. . .looks like you've posted already. Let me go read what you wrote. But I realized, after hearing LmP's correction of my assumption and then re-reading his post what actually happened. (I never had a clear idea of the working going on. . .I've a bad brain for construction.) It appears that if anyone's in dangered it's the people who are actually inside the building, and that ends up being Fordides, maybe Kara, and Thornden. However, I'll read your post and decide if Thornden makes it out, sees the damage, and then thinks everyone is trapped or whatever. . .we'll see what takes place.

EDIT: Yes, I can still have him call you. I figured out a likely way. Nice post. Do you work with horses much? I have to say, your spooking horses were very realistically written. Especially when she decided to calm down. It's so annoying when the animal just about kills you and then decides there's nothing further to spook about. :rolleyes:

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

Actually, I don't. I love horses, and I wish I saw more of them than I do. Suffice it to say that I read *a lot* of horse books when I was in junior high... that and a snippet of first hand experience because I used to have a friend who had a couple of horses that I rode now and again.

[Folwren]

Okay. I have finally managed to edit my post. Don't blame me for the ridiculously long delay - I was ready to fix it an hour ago, but my internet has been giving me problems. So, it's fixed, and I hope that it's fixed the way it should be. If there are any problems with what I've written now. . .*sigh* Well, I hope not. Just tell me.

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Believe it or not, I'm trying to cause trouble again. Please tell me if I misused any character...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Not at all. Degas is very much the "Let's go save the damsels in distress!" sort of guy. Saeryn's more than happy to assist in the real rescue. :D

[littlemanpoet]

Good post, Folwren. I've a mind to have Frodides quit on the spot, since she had already given notice. "I can't work in these conditions! You have a new cook. You don't need me! A kitchen without a hall! What will come next, I ask you!" blah-dy blah-dy blah.... Ready, Kara? :p

[Nerindel]

Her hands full she simply nodded in reply and moved on through the kitchen to the large wooden wash basin that waited her and the linens out in the back courtyard.

Um, I had always assumed that there was a way out into the rear courtyard from the kitchens was I wrong?

Also I seem to have misplaced Æðel somewhere, LMP made it clear she was not present in the mock hall and she is not with Leof and Garwine in the stables, therefore to me that would conclude that she had remained in the kitchen to help Frodides, while Kara attended the Hall. therefore she would not be available to fetch her healing kit, not that she has one of her own as she came to Edoras with nothing! even the dress she wears is borrowed from Searyn.

[JennyHallu]

I thought Aedhel was in the Hall with everybody else...I'll reread when I have more time (must go to work) and fix what needs to be fixed.

As for the other door, I assumed that door was into the inner courtyard. As the Inn was built in the middle of a city, I figured the entire building was designed to maximize the space of the inner courtyard, and that there probably wasn't much space between the building and its neighbors. After all, the door leading into the Mead Hall was blocked off already, as no one was allowed to enter there, and the tent-Hall was in the inner courtyard...so there must have been an inner courtyard door to facilitate meals. The inner courtyard must have been surprisingly large to a traveler who'd been trudging through a tight-packed medieval city. I wondered if the Inn was backed right up to the edge of Edoras, but I doubt there would be any doors out that way, it would seriously undermine the defense of the city.

Anyway, must run.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I can sketch a map of the Inn-or-Hall-or-Whatever-it's-Called if I've got a clear enough description.

How many rooms, the layout, where the kitchen is in comparison, the stables, the hall... that sort of thing. I imagine it would be helpful to us all.

[JennyHallu]

As for Adhel's belongings, I figured in a week she'd started acquiring some few things. And that the healer might have left some basics for her in order to try to encourage her latent talent.

I'd like a map, Fea, and I can turn it into an actual drawing of the Hall, as it might appear to a traveler approaching it (Yay for forcing me back into the art I have neglected). We should sit down with Lumpy (all thanks to Kath for giving me a new nick for him ;) ) and work it out sometime! I think we need lmp to make some sort of call on where everyone was anyhow.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like a map, Fea, and I can turn it into an actual drawing of the Hall, as it might appear to a traveler approaching it (Yay for forcing me back into the art I have neglected).
Sweet. I'd have offered to do an artsy drawing instead of just a map, but maps are quicker and finals are fast approaching. Also, I like to see other people's work. :)

[JennyHallu]

Nerindel, I forgot to ask: once we find out for certain whether you are in the kitchen or with the company, and if you are in the company, when I edit would you like me to carry you along with the rest of the girls if you have no medical bag to grab?

[Kath]

Hey all, apologies for my absence recently!

I'll get a post up following Kara's entry into the kitchen soon.

[littlemanpoet]

Um, I had always assumed that there was a way out into the rear courtyard from the kitchens was I wrong?

Also I seem to have misplaced Æðel somewhere, LMP made it clear she was not present in the mock hall and she is not with Leof and Garwine in the stables, therefore to me that would conclude that she had remained in the kitchen to help Frodides, while Kara attended the Hall. therefore she would not be available to fetch her healing kit, not that she has one of her own as she came to Edoras with nothing! even the dress she wears is borrowed from Searyn.Nerindel, where do you want Aedhel? I had thought she was in the stables. But you make a good point about the kitchen having a way out to the back. Of course it would. That would, however, goof up Jenny's little plot twist. But I bet Jenny can think up some way to make it work anyway. Back door in the kitchen there is.

Fea, that would be great. I'd like to see what you come up with compared to what's in my head. :rolleyes:

Lumpy! :eek: :mad: What kind of nick is that? I mean, I have a bunch already. Who has as many as I do? LMP, Elempi, Midplit... now Lumpy? sheee...

[JennyHallu]

whoo-hoo, if there's a back door, then away with the chimney collapse! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Sorry, Elempi. I got the Lumpy from Kath's birthday wish in the Shire thread, but as you seem to disapprove, it is hereby erased from my vocabulary. Heaven help us if for some reason I need to use it in a story...

Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and edit for the back door (I'll assume it's onto an alley, and mostly for deliveries, which might explain why all those silly boys forgot it. Except for Eodwine but he's probably a bit distraught at the moment. I fear his pocketbook might take a hefty hit.) but I'll wait to change anything concerning Aedhel until I hear from Nerindel. I thought she was with the party, which was why Marenil commended her. He wanted it to be public.

[JennyHallu]

All right. That's edited, and really I like it better. If Aedhel was around, Nerindel, it would even make more sense in the long run if she'd gone with the girls, as they now set out towards the kitchen under the impression that Frodides was probably injured.

[Folwren]

Poor Eodwine.

Well, Thornden is not complying to Eodwine's will very well. Eodwine appears to be quite happy to work by himself, but Thornden's down right refused. Just try to make him stand back and not help. :p

Where's Leof and Garwine? It might be advisable for those two to get out there.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Nice post, Folwren. And it doesn't even look like Thornden can read Eodwine's mind. :p

[Firefoot]

Where's Leof and Garwine? It might be advisable for those two to get out there. As soon as the horses are under control... I'm sort of waiting for Alcarillo to post before I move on.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You know, I'm going to laugh when our ladies bring a fresh pitcher of minted ice water out to quench the thirst of the busily rescuing heroes.

[Bêthberry]

There is a kitchen garden, a herb garden, and a row of spindly apple trees at the back, accessible from the kitchen. Also a slops pile for compost. Somewhere there's probably a biffy too, but I don't think that has ever been mentioned. The Vikings in York had very substantial outhouses for communal use.

Not that such mention is canonical. ;)

[Lalwendë]

Hmm, since I had an invite to join I've been pondering on a character I might like to bring in for a visit. This might be a slight rogue of an individual - are there any objections there? I'm just thinking of a name, as I cannot settle until I have the correct name!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Post, post! Everybody's welcome, Lal. I'm a big fan of new characters, and rogues are fun.

[littlemanpoet]

Hmm, since I had an invite to join I've been pondering on a character I might like to bring in for a visit. This might be a slight rogue of an individual - are there any objections there? I'm just thinking of a name, as I cannot settle until I have the correct name!
Yay! :D Glad to see you here, Lal. A rogue would be great. :)

[JennyHallu]

I'm going to try and get a post out tonight...

But must run now. I get to sing in the choir! Yay!

[Celuien]

Would there be room in the Hall for a wandering jack-of-all-trades/stonemason sort who's starting to rattle around in my head? :)

[Folwren]

Hmm, since I had an invite to join I've been pondering on a character I might like to bring in for a visit. This might be a slight rogue of an individual - are there any objections there? I'm just thinking of a name, as I cannot settle until I have the correct name!

That'll be fun. You'll have Thornden to deal with if you're too bad. ;)

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Celuien:

YES!!!! Especially during all this construction, a craftsman would be awesome.

[Bêthberry]

Hmm, since I had an invite to join I've been pondering on a character I might like to bring in for a visit. This might be a slight rogue of an individual - are there any objections there? I'm just thinking of a name, as I cannot settle until I have the correct name!

Lovely work, Lal! Great to see you here and with so many characters.



Would there be room in the Hall for a wandering jack-of-all-trades/stonemason sort who's starting to rattle around in my head?

Mason! Mason! Next we will be developing secret societies and all kinds of conspiracies! The Eodwine Code! ;)

Actually, I can imagine all kinds of Pink Floyd puns and Johnny Depp allusions now. Maybe I'll have to keep pinching myself to remind Ruthven that this isn't a REB kind of rpg.

[Celuien]

Celuien:

YES!!!! Especially during all this construction, a craftsman would be awesome.
:) Okay then. He might be making an appearance in the next few days. I'm working on a name and backstory for him right now. I need to review for any Rohirric knowledge of stonecraft to fill out his background...

[Celuien]

Mason! Mason! Next we will be developing secret societies and all kinds of conspiracies! The Eodwine Code! ;)

Now that would be something else. Poor Eodwine. :D

[littlemanpoet]

Firefoot, "dang" must go bye bye. Find something that doesn't derive from the Latin for condemnation. ;) You know, something more Middle Earthish sounding, more Rohirric, okay?

Celuien: Welcome! :D

mason etymology:
c.1205, from O.Fr. masson (O.N.Fr. machun), probably from Frank. *makjo (cf. O.H.G. steinmezzo "stone mason," related to mahhon "to make;" see make (v.)). But it also may be from, or influenced by, M.L. machio, matio (7c.) which is said by Isidore to be derived from machina (see machine). The word also may be from the root of L. maceria "wall." Meaning "a Freemason" is attested from 1425 in Anglo-Fr. Masonry "stonework" is attested from c.1366.

.....hmmm....... seems rather like it's another Latinate borrowing as like as not .... and does have piles of unfortunate connotations, as Bb has jestingly pointed out.

EDIT:

From Bright's Old English Glossary (http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/oe_bright_glossary.html) I derive this:

Mason = Stoneshaper

How's that sound?

[littlemanpoet]

Great posting, Lal! :)

It looks like you and I have cross-posted, but it doesn't seem to have caused any need for editing. Just one thing: who is Larswic directing these last comments to? Léofric?

And Firefoot, Eodwine's policy as mead hall lord is NOT to charge for food, drink, board, or stabling, for the fees and fines that come to him as lord of the Middle Emnet are SUPPOSED to be enough for the upkeep of his hall. This may come as a surprise to these rogues of Lal's, but so it is.... ;)

Looks like Thornden may earn his keep yet.... :p

[Firefoot]

Firefoot, "dang" must go bye bye. Find something that doesn't derive from the Latin for condemnation. You know, something more Middle Earthish sounding, more Rohirric, okay? Oh, shoot. ;) But it's fixed - hopefully it works.And Firefoot, Eodwine's policy as mead hall lord is NOT to charge for food, drink, board, or stabling, for the fees and fines that come to him as lord of the Middle Emnet are SUPPOSED to be enough for the upkeep of his hall. This may come as a surprise to these rogues of Lal's, but so it is.... Alrighty. (Okey-dokey? That sounds Rohirric... ;) )

[Lalwendë]

Great posting, Lal! :)

It looks like you and I have cross-posted, but it doesn't seem to have caused any need for editing. Just one thing: who is Larswic directing these last comments to? Léofric?



I'm guessing Leofric's in or near the stables with the lads and the horses. Larswic is offering his 'wisdom' to anyone who is listening - not knowing who the 'gaffer' is at this point, but obviously hoping that the gaffer will also be there and hear what he says. ;)

No problem about the cross posting - I can do a quick edit to sort that out!

The lads are there as help really, and to be generally youth-like and a little bit moody. I'm also playing around a little as their personalities spring in some way from their names ;) . I might use them or not later on as things pan out, but they don't have to be ignored if anyone wants to interact with them - might bring some amusing results.

[Celuien]

From Bright's Old English Glossary (http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/oe_bright_glossary.html) I derive this:

Mason = Stoneshaper

How's that sound?

Sounds good, and far better than having the other kind of Mason show up in Rohan.
;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm fascinated with the idea of a guild-worker, just now. Just thought I'd put that out there in case I decide that I have the time and energy (ha... ha...) to devote to such a new character.

Lal, if I've misread your character, please let me know.

[Folwren]

Is it just my imagination, LMP, or is Eodwine a might grumpy? I don't know if he is, or if you've accidently added words that always make me personally think of a slightly annoyed/angry/brothered gentlemen. It's not absolutely obvious, but I'm thinking that he's pretty cranky right now. Am I right? Would like an answer sometime before I write a post, but you have 'till tomorrow, because I'm going to bed now. (Confound time change!) Goodnight.

-- Folwren

[Taralphiel]

Hi all,

First, great story! I've just come back to The Downs after a long absense, and Pioseniel suggested this is the place I should come to first. Although now may not be the best time in your storyline, I've come to ask for a part in this roleplay :)

I've read all of the story so far, and read the notes at the beginning fo this planning thread. But, while I've got a few ideas, nothing concrete has come to me for a character. Is there any character or part that anyone thinks needs to be filled? I can understand that I won't be able to put my part in till later, as it seems Eodwine has got a lot on his hands!

Tara :)

[littlemanpoet]

Is it just my imagination, LMP, or is Eodwine a might grumpy?
-- FolwrenYes, Eodwine's a little put out. Mostly with himself, and quite unreasonably at that. He's blaming himself for something that's really quite out of his control, but this is a penchant that every once in a while will surface in our erstwhile lordling. Once he's had time to think and weigh the matter out, he'll come to his senses. But that should take a few hours at least, and maybe a day at most.

Is there any character or part that anyone thinks needs to be filled?Welcome, Tara. :) Well, what kinds of characters do you like to write? There are all kinds of possibilities, I think. There are freeholders who owe the new Eorling a tithe. There are working folk who prefer not to have to prepare their own food. There are traveling merchants who need a place to spend a night or three, and I can see them preferring a place where they know they don't have to pay. Or there might even be hobbits who have gotten the wanderlust. Lots of options.

[Bêthberry]

I do hope I haven't taken too many liberties with any characters in my latest post, what with all the rogues about. ;)

Seriously, do let me know if this post is not okay and disrupts any plans. And a warm welcome hello to Tara.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Everybody, feel free to use Degas as you like. Just remember to make him annoying good at everything. :)

As for Saeryn, she'll be bustling about making sure people are okay and carefully avoiding buying more jewelry, though if it's a gift, she'd be unable to say no.

As for me... it's the last week of classes. I have all of the work I should have done over term to finish. Then finals start Monday. I'll be around, and I'll post, but I can't guarantee the times or frequency.

[JennyHallu]

There...finally got a post together, and it's a book.

I guess the length makes up for the tardiness. I'm afraid Lin is not inclined to be very fond of Larswic, and likely inclined to be very..."un-fond" as it may be. She's a little too well-bred and well-taught to fall for his rough rogueyness (yay for making up words) and too young not to make her distaste obvious.

[Kath]

So sorry Bêthberry, I had no idea Kara was so violent! :D

How long are we planning on keeping Frodides hidden by the way? As once she's been treated by Aedhel we're going to have to take her inside. I'll be making a post a little later so I can have Aedhel and Kara help her in if that's acceptable?

[Lalwendë]

There...finally got a post together, and it's a book.

I guess the length makes up for the tardiness. I'm afraid Lin is not inclined to be very fond of Larswic, and likely inclined to be very..."un-fond" as it may be. She's a little too well-bred and well-taught to fall for his rough rogueyness (yay for making up words) and too young not to make her distaste obvious.

Now that's a challenge to a charmer like Larswic, if ever there was one. ;) He lives on his wits so he might relish a challenge in the future!

I've corrected my last post anyway, as I had the beuara...bearau...red tape of New Rohan misread. In any case, this now gives a little more reason for Larswic and his type to be suspicious and cagey.

I added in a reference to wrestling as it was a popular Anglo-Saxon sport, and of course, a lot of young men love it these days, so it was perfect to have Wultheof be a keen young wrestler. I don't know if Archery was a particularly Ango-Saxon sport, but Tolkien seems to have been keen to include it, and it seemed to fit Leocsley. ;) The Horse Fair might allow them to slope off if necessary, and to get horses sold and more gold of course. I've also mentioned Knucklebones and Dice, two other games from that period, particularly with gamblers!

[Firefoot]

Knowing that, I'll switch archery and wrestling around...

[littlemanpoet]

Too bad we can't have a wall fall over every day. Just one "little" incident has triggered a flurry of great posting/storytelling. Good stuff! And haaaaard to keep up! :eek: Keep it coming! :)

I've moved time ahead to mid afternoon, and set a few things moving here and there, such as Thornden and Gárwine sent to corral Léof into subservient patient-hood, whether he likes it or not.

And Kara has been sent shopping, but needn't go alone if she wants to have someone go with her.

That leaves Ruthven, Linduial, Marinel, and the rogues free to determine what their own activities have been over the course of that time.

Remember to account for hunger with your character.

[Folwren]

"There is another whom I would have you look after, unwilling though he be. Find Thornden and Gárwine, and have them wrestle that Léof down and take his boot off. I wager that foot he's hiding is at least bruised if not harboring broken bones, and I'll not have him suffer the longer hidden. Will you do that?"
~ Eodwine

Oh, this ought to be fun! Alcarillo, when can you make it? I'm not at all caught up on the latest five or six posts, so I won't be ready to actually write a post until tomorrow morning (I'm really, super sorry, LMP), but when will you be around?

Firefoot - you're going to put up a satisfactory fight, are you not? (Or...maybe not. You decide and tell me. Maybe write the first post leading into it.)

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

Oh, yes - especially if it's just Garwine and Thornden who come after him. If Aedhel were to come with them immediately (maybe she has to go back for her healing things?), he might just shoo them off and face it... but if she's not there I think it would be most like Leof to try and avoid it... :D

And I second what lmp has said - excellent posting, everyone! And nice to see you, Celuien.

[Taralphiel]

Thank you littlemanpoet and Bêthberry for the welcome!

I have taken time to think on my character and try to find something to challenge me. I've come up with a young boy who is found in less than a healthy condition near the Mead Hall. As it's afternoon now, I don't want to clutter the story too much, so I've set it ahead of time. I've got my first post to be around the early morning of the next day. I'll hold off untill that point in the time frame.

I don't know who will find him, so it's anyone who volunteers! :P

Tara :)

[Alcarillo]

Oh, this ought to be fun! Alcarillo, when can you make it? I'm not at all caught up on the latest five or six posts, so I won't be ready to actually write a post until tomorrow morning (I'm really, super sorry, LMP), but when will you be around?
I've read all the posts, but it's too late where I live and I'll be going to bed in some matter of minutes. I can start a post, finish it up tomorrow, and have it posted early tomorrow afternoon (I'm on the west coast just to give you an idea time-zonewise).

Leof can run - er, I mean hobble, but he can't hide . . . :D

[Nerindel]

Ah Firefoot I didn't see your post here before I posted, but I think it still works. She is a little put out by his stubbornness and has just indicated for the two men to apprehend the reluctant young ostler! :p As for her healing things she already had them with her when she reported to Eodwine. Perhaps once apprehended they can come to a compromise with her offering to help with his chores if he lets her see to his injury?

[Firefoot]

What you have works well.

And I am, in fact, rather amused because it seems that so many of us (me, Folwren, you, that I know of) all had the same idea of physically forcing Leof into submission. :cool: Actually, though, I've figured that once Leof realizes that they actually intend to physically drag him off, he'll probably submit pretty quickly (size, numbers, and injury all against him, after all), but unhappily and sullenly. So Folwren and/or Alcarillo, if you wanted to take it to that point, I think that would work well...

[JennyHallu]

I am in the process of working on a floor plan for the Hall (pre or post collapse...not sure, but it's got a hall), which my husband is going to help me turn into elevation drawings before I try an artist's representation. I'm at work right now, so I can't really work on it until later this evening, but when I get home I'll be emailing what I have to LMP and Bethberry for review before posting the floorplans here (the rest will take a while). There will be two f

Assumptions I am making:

The residential wing of the building has two stories, and was built some time after the great hall.

Walls are mostly of wood, with stone used in chimneys and in the Hall.

Questions, suggestions, and corrections are greatly appreciated.

[Kath]

And just where am I supposed to be cooking these meals lmp? Since we have no kitchen. I don't know if the Rohirrim had barbecues!

[JennyHallu]

Why not? Build a camp-style fire in either the courtyard or the Hall rubble, assume that by now the guys have opened at least one doorway into the kitchen so you can get what pots and pans you need, and go ahead and cook outdoors.

[Bêthberry]

There always was a back doorway to the kitchen, folks. No one had to come through the ba**room window. ;)

As for barbeques, shish-kebabs (or shashliks) got their start as raw meat skewered on sword blades and thrust into campfires, in a culture famed for its horsemanship. Then again, an outdoor oven (http://www.regia.org/ovens.htm) could be built.

And there never was a courtyard. That was always too fancy for an inn. But Eodwine might want one now.

The walls of the old Horse were not all wood, although rough hewn timber provided the framework. Here's info on wattle and daub construction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattle_and_daub) and Saxon buildings (http://www.regia.org/houses.htm) and Saxon Village Reconstructed (http://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/saxby/ashall.html) .

If this repeats info LMP provided earlier, I apologise. I shifted back three pages here and couldn't find any building links.

[Kath]

Right so if Kara went and found Thornden and Degas they could build this outdoor oven and get things working? Guess I should check that with Eodwine first.

Bêthberry, we had the back door blocked off by fallen rubble to make it so the window had to be used.

[JennyHallu]

In my post I specified that the chimney had collapsed, blocking the back door. It was probably nowhere near as thorough blocked as the Hall door, and the girls could probably have gotten through it with a little work, but Lin had an idea in her head, and it involved getting Frodides out before the men noticed.

We've been referring to a courtyard for quite some time. I haven't put anything fancy on my plan (no formal garden or anything), just what is probably a packed dirt yard between the main hall and the stables: space for a traveler to pull in their cart and unhitch their horses before turning them over to Lèof. This is also where I assumed the temporary tent hall stood. Just basically a little open space to accomodate arrivals and departures in what I always pictured as a pretty tightly-packed city. Does that fit, Bethberry?

Thanks for the info on wattle-and-daub. That will really help when it comes to texturing the walls in a real drawing.

[Folwren]

Thornden's busy at the moment, but he might have time to help you in a bit, Kath.

I have taken time to think on my character and try to find something to challenge me. I've come up with a young boy who is found in less than a healthy condition near the Mead Hall. As it's afternoon now, I don't want to clutter the story too much, so I've set it ahead of time. I've got my first post to be around the early morning of the next day. I'll hold off untill that point in the time frame.

I don't know who will find him, so it's anyone who volunteers! :P - Taralphiel

Oh, I like that I idea. I think it would be fun to find him, so I would like to be a volunteer unless someone else wants to. My character is Thornden, who's a fairly large chap, though for the most part he's quiet, kind, and gentle, so he'll be nice to your little, less than healthy boy. :)

I am trying to get a post written, but if I don't have it up before Alcarillo gets back to post his - go ahead and put it up, Alcarillo.

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Anyone who wishes is free to approach Lin or Marenil, but Lin is not likely to notice anyone until they're right up on her, and then she'll probably jump. Just FYI.

[littlemanpoet]

And just where am I supposed to be cooking these meals lmp? Since we have no kitchen. I don't know if the Rohirrim had barbecues!We'll have to do it camp style and make a stone-rounded firepit somewhere on the premises. If you want, have Kath raise the predicament to Eodwine and that's what he'll tell her. If she insists that she needs help, then Eodwine offers the services of Degas and Saeryn. :p

I actually had it in my head that the temporary tent hall was on the grass to the west of the mead hall, the courtyard to the east, and the stables just beyond. Bethberry?

[Folwren]

Okay, I've got the post up. If I didn't handle it like you wanted it, or if I made some character do as you wouldn't have them do, whoever wants to say something, say it.

I didn't make it quite as violent, so to speak, as it could have been. If you want some actually fighting in there, tell me. . .now that I've got the post up, we could actually take some time to elaborate it and fix it up while at the same time the others move on as they want. If, for instance, you, Firefoot, want Leof to put up some verbal protests ('I don't need it! For goodness' sake, can't you leave a poor chap alone!') we could add that. Or if you want to actually have him kick the attackers (not that Thornden will take that very well, but it's your call to have your character do as you like) we can add that, too. I didn't want to do anything without your saying to do it, and I still did take some liberties, I think, but I don't believe they went too far.

Just read it, Firefoot and Alcarillo, and then we can decide what to do - to leave it and go on with it, or go back and add stuff.

-- Folwren

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If she insists that she needs help, then Eodwine offers the services of Degas and Saeryn.
Mmm.... bad idea. Saeryn and Degas' writer decided to scrap her term paper and start from scratch, on top of all of her other work. She's not got the time to narrate anything. Y'all are welcome to use Saeryn and Degas in a style befitting them, but I can't do it any time soon.

[Kath]

Shall I edit my post to include Eodwine's reply and then have Marenil offer to help since Saeryn and Degas will be unavailable? Is he still recovering or fine for heavy lifting, as if the former I might have to draft someone else in.

[JennyHallu]

I suppose that's all right, but I am going to be careful with him and heavy lifting. He's already making a pile of kindling for you.

[Kath]

I know :) He's so kind. I'll do that edit in a moment.

EDIT: Done.

[Nerindel]

“You had better not-”,

Ooh she had better not...What???... no seriously what? I need to know!!!!! :p

I'll try to get a reply up in the morning I don't have time just now and I'd quite like to see Alcarillo's post before I proceed.

[Firefoot]

Ooh she had better not...What???... no seriously what? I need to know!!!!! Tell him he can't work and just has to sit around uselessly, at surface level, but you could take it further - ever do that to him again, assume he can't take care of himself, try to tell him how he ought to live... I don't know, be creative. But she'd have to make him sufficiently more upset and angry with her to say any of those last two things out loud (as in losing all self-control).

[Alcarillo]

I'm typing up a post on my computer as we speak. Thornden and Garwine will have moved to the stable entrances, walking away, talking about Leof's pride and other follies :p , and Garwine will remember how Leof told him that Linduial wanted help hanging tapestries.
I am in the process of working on a floor plan for the Hall (pre or post collapse...not sure, but it's got a hall), which my husband is going to help me turn into elevation drawings before I try an artist's representation.
Don't forget a hospital ward. With all the wounds around here (Marenil's heart attack, Frodides' leg, Leof's foot), this might as well be the Eorling Emergency Room. ;)

Oh, Kath: *cough*Numenorean Blood Runs Black*cough*

[Taralphiel]

Oh, I like that I idea. I think it would be fun to find him, so I would like to be a volunteer unless someone else wants to. My character is Thornden, who's a fairly large chap, though for the most part he's quiet, kind, and gentle, so he'll be nice to your little, less than healthy boy. :)

-- Folwren

Ah, thank you very much! Wherever you like, I can position him so you run into (or over..) him. If you want more detail, I can send you my post in a PM, or you can wait for it to be put up on the thread. Up to you entirely :)

*coughs herself* Maybe that Emergency Room will be a must, as there'll be a new patient arriving soon :P

Tara :)

[JennyHallu]

As I have received the go-ahead from lmp, this (http://community.webshots.com/album/549200451CdNREL) is the floor plan of the Mead Hall. If you do not have a room marked, choose one by number and post it here. I will go back and edit the original plan to reflect your room choice. Notice that the rooms upstairs are generally larger than those down (and therefore probably cost a bit more when the building was an Inn), and think about the location of the room when you select one.

I didn't know if anyone shared a room.

All rooms have at least one window outdoors, or at least they will when Neal helps me turn this into an elevation drawing.

[littlemanpoet]

I think I'm guilty of having read a character's mind and then included it as if Saeryn had heard Larswic say it. I'm referring to the words I put in Saeryn's mouth regarding Larswic not being happy about his new lord. I have had really no time to take a careful look at much, working 11 hours a day this week (subbing for my sup), so could someone tell me if I did indeed goof that way?

So at the midafternoon point, we have this, I think:

Eodwine, Falco, and Saeryn going to see the new stoneshaper character with the broken down wagon wheel. Celuien, I'll wait for you to post next for this.

I'm not sure what Degas is up to, but I suppose he can be along with Eodwine and Falco and Saeryn.

Thornden, Gárwine, Æðel, and Léof are in the stable, the latter's foot being examined.

Kara, Linduial, and Marinel are in the backyard, looking after the fire and meal, and Larswic is wandering about, not too far from them.

Frodides and Ruthven are in Kara's room (still unassigned).

Jenny has produced a two great floor plans that I'm quite happy with, and I expect her to post them or link them to hear soon. One is of the entirety, the second is of the guest quarters, with some rooms assigned.

Did I account for everyone (what a crew!)?

Oh yeah. Gudryn. Sigh. Esgal has not been about lately. I'm thinking about sending her off to be tutored by Gedd of Edoras, allowing her to pop in whenever Esgal's around, and her bopping away whenever she isn't..... hmmmm.....

[JennyHallu]

Look up, lmp. Already there.

[Alcarillo]

Cool map. :smokin:

But it's different than I imagined it. The stables (in my mind) were where the great hall should be, and vice versa. I imagined the residential wing to be one long, L-shaped hallway on two sides of the kitchen/great hall block, with rooms on one side and doors to the k/gh on the other. And the stables were somehow connected to the building.

By the way, Gárwine will take Room #6.

And also, which direction is north?

[Celuien]

Eodwine, Falco, and Saeryn going to see the new stoneshaper character with the broken down wagon wheel. Celuien, I'll wait for you to post next for this.


Okay. Will be up soon...

[littlemanpoet]

North is back of the kitchen. South is the front door. The stables are west. The idea is that the White Mountains are behind the mead hall, and it looks out over the plain (if it has a clear view, which is by no means a given). I haven't thought about what's "across the street".

[Bêthberry]

Cool stuff going on here!

Sorry I didn't get back promptly about the layout questions here or to post. Work has been hectic lately and there's so much going on that needs to be done before the fun of participating in gaming. (No, no, I won't call it the "Downs" syndrome. ;) )

There had been two chimneys in the old Horse, one in the Great Hall and one in the kitchen. The one in the kitchen also provided a chimney for smaller fireplaces in some of the more prestigious rooms of the Inn. So that is why I was confused about what fell where. (Gotta learn to remember what I read in everyone's posts!) The kitchen chimney/fire would not have been near the outside wall. But that, as they say, is ancient history and obviously no one is bound by that plan.

I have a question for LMP. What has happened to the banners that once flew from the rafters in the Great Hall? They commemorated old games completed in Rohan. Are they under the pile of rubble or has the Ostler put them away safely to await the completion of new construction?

The old rag lady might be interested in them.

I haven't checked out Jenny's new floorplan yet. Ruthven has her own home, a stoop (or squat) behind some of the other finer houses in Edoras.

Sorry, won't be posting today--no play time.

[JennyHallu]

Bethberry, I put two chimneys:

One is to a large hearth, shared by the kitchen and the hall, and one to a smaller summer hearth on the back wall, to be used when the outdoor heat means patrons are not interested in additional heat from the chimney.

I meant I need more chimneys in that I did not design the Hall with any chimneys or fireplaces at all in the residential wing, and while small coal braziers, wood-burning stoves small enough not to need a chimney, and bed warmers could easily have been used to augment heat in those rooms, they surely wouldn't be enough for comfort in a harsh winter.

Also, chimneys are very difficult to route to several fireplaces unless those fireplaces are on top of eachother, and such ductwork would vastly increase the risk of fire.

Honestly, my solution to this problem will probably be to add a few random chimneys to the roof of the residential wing, and let each player decide whether the placement of the chimney and of their room means they likely have a fireplace. Remember that even if your room doesn't have one, the presence of a chimney in the wall will warm your room a great deal (even if you were never particulary chilly to begin with.

As for the outer appearance of the building, consensus seems to be that it is constructed partially of stone, and the rest made up of half-timbered wattle-and-daub walls. (Wikipedia has some excellent articles describing both these terms) My husband has been putting at least one window in every room for light (He gave Eodwine a double window, but everyone else's is identical.) He plans to draw these as glazed windows, but with small panes in a diamond pattern. Objections? We hadn't considered shutters. What do you think? The bold line around the outside of the lot was intended to indicate a wall for security. Do you agree that there should be one? How tall? This wall was incorporated as the back wall of the stable, which is, in our current version, a fairly simple building, almost a lean-to, open in the front with vents for light and air circulation between the top of the wall and the roof. Neal has the roofs patterned for wooden shake shingles. Objections? Suggestions?

Please by no means regard this plan as final! Please give me suggestions for improvements, and with Lmp's approval, I'll edit the plan quite cheerfully! I just felt that the confusion as to who was where and how they got there could be remedied by some common idea as to where the rooms are in relation to eachother, and I don't mean to force my own mental image of the building on the rest of you. I don't want this to be a unilateral project, I want this plan to be a collaborative effort.

[Nerindel]

Cool map Jenny, very helpful! :D I always pictured the residental quarters on the other side of the inn, but it looks great.

Can Æðel please have room #17.

[JennyHallu]

Oh, and by the by, I intend to have Marenil move (fairly soon) down to a smaller room on the first floor. He feels somewhat uncomfortable among the nobility and official-ness, and prefers to be closer to the everyday running of the Hall. He'd also like to free the large upstairs room for more important guests. He also wants to occasionally get Lin out of his hair, but that's the least of his reasoning.

With Lmp's approval, of course.

Oh and Folwren, I put a question mark beside Thornden's name. I thought that Thornden, as he is working on taking a very important role within Eodwine's household, might have an upstairs room, but it is of course up to you.

I took the upstairs room because Lin's spoiled, and the other rooms already assigned have been given out according to descriptions in the story thread of relative placement.

EDIT: Just noticed your request, Nerindel: I'll get you and Garwine both named on the chart tonight after work.

[Kath]

Guess Kara will take room 12 then please! Plans look really good Jenny.

[littlemanpoet]

I have a question for LMP. What has happened to the banners that once flew from the rafters in the Great Hall? They commemorated old games completed in Rohan. Are they under the pile of rubble or has the Ostler put them away safely to await the completion of new constructionThe banners and the old White Horse sign have been safely squirreled away. The roof and ceiling had already been removed, so any decorations will have been caringly dealt with.

No wall for security. Believe it or not. The old White Horse Inn (unless Bethberry corrects me) was a rather open establishment, ready for business. So the change to a Mead Hall will probably mean a wall, but the height thereof will be determined later.

Rest assured, Jenny, I'll let you know if there's anything I won't allow, so you don't have to keep saying "with LMP's approval". ;)

[Folwren]

Thornden is fine where you've put him, Jen, unless someone else would like to complain about it. I don't know if he'll be particuarly used to a nicer room, if that's what you said it is, but he's a young man, he probably doesn't care too much really.

Alcarillo - nice post. :) I'll try to write something later on today.

LMP, have you any idea when we're moving time forward again to when we can start actually cleaning up and starting to build again? Alcarillo has kindly mentioned that the rain and clouds are beginning to clear. Perhaps a slight wind will pick up, and by tomorrow morning, the sky will be clean, the sun shining, mud less annoying, and we'll be able to work again?

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

LMP, have you any idea when we're moving time forward again to when we can start actually cleaning up and starting to build again? Alcarillo has kindly mentioned that the rain and clouds are beginning to clear. Perhaps a slight wind will pick up, and by tomorrow morning, the sky will be clean, the sun shining, mud less annoying, and we'll be able to work again?I want to allow Celuien's character a chance to establish himself first. Then we can move to supper time and Garreth and Harreld get to come and be their typical annoying selves, and just maybe a little taste of Gob and Twiddle after all, and then a new day..... which might NOT be the very next day. Perhaps a few later, or even a week later. I'll think about that, and I'll take any suggestions on that too.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So long as I get a chance to make Degas that much more amusing to me through the use of dinner time, I'm happy.

[Celuien]

If anyone talks to her, Léoðern is 5, going on 6, very giddy, and very cute. :D

[JennyHallu]

I still need to give Marenil his letter before the day is out, and reading letters from home is a nice after-dinner thing to do.

[Kath]

If you don't mind Fea I could do with Degas helping Kara and Marenil with the fire. I'll only keep him a few minutes during the afternoon though so it shouldn't interfere with your plans for him.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Go ahead. He's open to whatever needs doing. I'll pick him back up at "dinner time." 'Til then, papers. A never-ending pile of them.

Edit: Actually, he's currently in the stable. Feel free to remove him.

[Celuien]

What fun! I'm glad Linduial noticed little Léoðern. :D

Just one thing - Léoðern's hair has a reddish tint. Not bright red or anything, just sort of strawberry blonde or titian. I think it goes well with her personality. Her brother is golden blonde, though (so is Garstan). Don't think I mentioned that yet...

And a quick note - I'm out of town from tomorrow morning until Saturday afternoon. Special performance in NYC to attend, so I won't be able to catch up on anything after about 10 on Friday. I'll stay up late tonight to fix any loose ends so that the day can move on.

[JennyHallu]

From one unlearned in the lore of unusual letters:

What is "ð"? And how is it pronounced?

[piosenniel]

Jenny

It's the letter "Eth" in Old English.

Ð (capital letter); ð (small letter)

It has a 'th' sound - often like the 'th' in the word - the; but occasionally it has the softer 'th' sound as in the word - thing.

HERE (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/oldenglish.htm)

This is the other 'th' sound - called "Thorn":

Þ (capital letter); þ (small letter)

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You can access these letters and many others using a tool program on your computer:

Just click on these steps in this order.

Start --- All Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools --- Character Map

Or, you can do this:

Alt key+0240 = ð

[Celuien]

Alt key+0240 = ð
That's good to know. I've been using the copy->paste method. Thanks, Pio. :D

[Firefoot]

And to make accent marks even easier... for those of you who use some kind of word processor, you can make it into an auto-correct option so you don't have to worry about accents at all. So to type Léof I can just type Leof and it automatically changes. In Microsoft Word it's under Tools -> Auto Correct Options.

[littlemanpoet]

Wow! After that flurry of posting all week long it's suddenly quiet as a dormouse around the thread. Which ain't all bad, since I was too exhausted to do anything yesterday anyway. So .... I've left an opening for Léof or any of the others to react to Eodwine's sudden presence in the stable. Any takers?

[Firefoot]

I won't have time to post until this evening some time, and if no one else has posted by then I can do so. I guess I was sort of waiting for Nerindel to respond before I posted.

[littlemanpoet]

That works too. I'm not going to be able to post for the rest of today after my current "flurry".

[Kath]

I was thinking of not posting again til the time change. There isn't much point really as it'll only be cooking. I can just mention that in retrospect at the beginning of the next post after the jump.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Um... ignore me. If somebody could mention my characters somewhere, I'd be very grateful. Me posting in the next few days isn't happening. Something important (it's okay! just important) came up.

[Celuien]

Garstan has room 11, if that's okay with everyone. I'm thinking that the children can share the room. They've been living out of that cart for some time, after all...

[littlemanpoet]

I've closed off the Day. If there's anyone who wants to post something having to do with the Day, please do so.

I'm wondering about how far into the future to recommense the story. We could go with a week, or three days. I don't want any less than two days, nor more than a week. Thoughts?

[Firefoot]

Lalwende did bring up the idea of a horse fair in one of her posts - I don't know how much we want to do with that, but it could be a consideration in deciding when the next day begins (I almost capitalized it Day, then realized this wasn't WW... :rolleyes: :D ).

[JennyHallu]

(I almost capitalized it Day, then realized this wasn't WW... :rolleyes: :D ).
Look up...lmp did.

I have finished off Marenil's day, as he was the only one I needed to do more with. I don't think he is likely to tell anyone for a while what the letter said (including Lin), and instead wait for a reply to the letter relating his illness, and a letter he will write and send secretly tomorrow (whether that day is narrated or not) and send with one of the King's messengers (for speed). (Aren't connections awesome?)

I have also updated the Room assignments.

If anyone wishes to email me pictures they draw of their characters or anything else connected with the Hall, I will post those there as well. Then we will be able to keep all the things that help us to visualize our story and the people in it together.

[Taralphiel]

My character comes in with the new day, so I really have no preference as to how far along that day is.

I was wondering about the timing of my post. I have the setting of it to be dawn. If you like lmp, I could start the day with my post. I do have most of my day coming up away from the computer, and I have a few little adjustments to make (I have the weather as lightly drizzling, so if you want I'll change that). I leave that decision up to you :)

[littlemanpoet]

Let's start three Days hence. I have not yet marked the Days as seven in a week, nor do I feel the need to. Such things were observed amongst preChristian Germanic tribes, but what would you call them? So we'll not worry about that.

Three Days later, and the Horse Fair starts this Day.

Taralphiel, go ahead and post the next post.

[Folwren]

LMP: Does the horse fair have any affect on us people here at the Mead Hall? Thornden will likely have little interest in the horse fair, because he doesn't work with horses, and he's not a little girl like me who would like to go to simply admire the beautiful horses. Can he get permission from Eodwine to go visit his sister? She lives a few miles outside Edoras on a large farm and he hasn't gone to visit her and her new son yet. . .

Besides that, I need an excuse to get Thornden outside of the Mead Hall so that he can find Tara's character.

What do you think?

-- Folwren

[Lalwendë]

A Horse Fair could bring lots of interesting people to Edoras, not all of them entirely trustworthy. ;) I think Larswic might have some dealings with some of them - a little horse trading, then maybe a bit of gambling, a drink or two....

I'm going to think out some scenarios and get something on here as soon as possible - hopefully in the morning if I get up early and write. :)

[littlemanpoet]

LMP: Does the horse fair have any affect on us people here at the Mead Hall? Thornden will likely have little interest in the horse fair, because he doesn't work with horses, and he's not a little girl like me who would like to go to simply admire the beautiful horses. Can he get permission from Eodwine to go visit his sister? She lives a few miles outside Edoras on a large farm and he hasn't gone to visit her and her new son yet. . .

Besides that, I need an excuse to get Thornden outside of the Mead Hall so that he can find Tara's character.

What do you think?
Good ideas. Let's add to it that Eodwine finds himself in sudden need of coin with which to pay for the demolition that is now required from the fallen wall, as well as to pay his workers and feed and room and stable everybody. So go ahead and write Eodwine commissioning Thornden to go into the Middle Emnet in his almbudsman role to drum up some coin. On his way he can visit his sister and find Tara's character. Sound good?

Lal, I think I goofed by not having Eodwine interact with Larswic at all on the first Day. We need to have that rectified somehow. And here is it three Days later already. I have an idea that Eodwine chooses to interact with Larswic and the two boys on a purely circumstantial and light level for these early Days, during which time they observe him and he observes them, sort of a "walking around the battlefield" before engaging, as it were. :p Not that a battle needs to take place, but I'm imagining a wariness each toward the other. What think you?

[Folwren]

Good ideas. Let's add to it that Eodwine finds himself in sudden need of coin with which to pay for the demolition that is now required from the fallen wall, as well as to pay his workers and feed and room and stable everybody. So go ahead and write Eodwine commissioning Thornden to go into the Middle Emnet in his almbudsman role to drum up some coin. On his way he can visit his sister and find Tara's character. Sound good?

Alright. . .I'll go ahead and do that. I'll get the post up in just a little time. . .from you're saying "go ahead and write Eodwine commissiong Thornden" I guess that I get the next post and you don't have to write first? If the assumption is incorrect, then when you arrive, you can tell me, and I can remove the post, which will likely be up by the time you come.

-- Folwren

[Anguirel]

I have a cunning plan. One of the horse traders will claim to recognise Manawyth's horse...

[Folwren]

I have a cunning plan. One of the horse traders will claim to recognise Manawyth's horse... ~ Anguirel

*groans* Oh dear. Here comes trouble. What's the punishment for horse theiving?

I've placed my post.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Interesting! No need to change your post, Folwren.

So do we immediately jump to the conclusion of horse thieving?

As to punishment, I'm betting that that website may have info on that; you know, the one Nerindel supplied and that Bethberry got the wattle and daub info from. I can't remember what it's called off hand, but I have a link to it in my introductory post which you can link to in my sig.

[Anguirel]

Well, I'm hoping you'll allow Manawyth a fair defence. Maybe a boring old trial by a jury picked by the Eorl, maybe an ordeal by fire or ordeal by combat...

In terms of punishment, here (http://www.regia.org/misc/law.htm) is a pertinent link. Open theft of something as valuable as a horse, particularly in Rohan, might well be death or mutilation as a bootless crime...though Gandalf seems to have got away with it, admittedly...

[Folwren]

So do we immediately jump to the conclusion of horse thieving?

As to punishment, I'm betting that that website may have info on that; you know, the one Nerindel supplied and that Bethberry got the wattle and daub info from. I can't remember what it's called off hand, but I have a link to it in my introductory post which you can link to in my sig.

If somebody recognizes Manawyth's horse as their own, who's not to jump to horse thieving? Anquirel said in his first post that that horse didn't belong to him!

We'll allow Manawyth a fair defence, have no worries about that.

Not trial by ordeal, please. I hate that. It's so stupidly unfair.

Gotta run.

-- Folwren

[Lalwendë]

Lal, I think I goofed by not having Eodwine interact with Larswic at all on the first Day. We need to have that rectified somehow. And here is it three Days later already. I have an idea that Eodwine chooses to interact with Larswic and the two boys on a purely circumstantial and light level for these early Days, during which time they observe him and he observes them, sort of a "walking around the battlefield" before engaging, as it were. :p Not that a battle needs to take place, but I'm imagining a wariness each toward the other. What think you?

That sounds good! Larswic is not going to want to pay his dues, or at the very least he might try to wriggle out of paying the full amount! He may try to divert Eodwine from his intentions by use of simple charm though. He's about to display some honest horse trading, which might make some think he's thoroughly honest, though he will of course get the very best price possible for his horses...

I didn't get to post this morning as a. I was trying to find an engineer to fix the door on my washing machine (davem broke it... :eek: ) (and he'll kill me if he reads that...) and b. I had a ton of flipping project charts to get my head around. Tomorrow Im hoping that I'll spend a lot of the day sitting around waiting for reports to come in late. ;)

[Celuien]

Any priority list for Garstan's part of the rebuilding? I was thinking of working on that stove.

[Folwren]

LMP, can Thornden please not be sent away quite immediately? Please, please? He'll go almost as soon as the boy comes 'round. I promise he'll get all his work done! (Sounding like a begging child here :rolleyes: )

He'd like to see that he's got a chance of surviving. And Taralphiel and I had an idea, in which it's somewhat necessary that Thornden and Lys meet eachother sometime in the early part of his arrival. . .

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Folwren, Thornden can do whatever you want him to do. There are always consequences for actions, but they can be headed off. For example, if you want Thornden to stick around, have him do it, and have him put together a set of reasons why he needs to stay around, armed with which he goes to Eodwine and gives the Eorl his speal.

Well, I'm hoping you'll allow Manawyth a fair defence. Maybe a boring old trial by a jury picked by the Eorl, maybe an ordeal by fire or ordeal by combat...The way Anglo-Saxon law worked was by witness. The highest rank witness always won the case. Plain and simple. So if a freeholder brings an accusation against Manawyth, and Eodwine, an Eorl, speaks in Manawyth's defense, Manawyth is considered innocent. If Eodwine speaks his guilt, he's considered guilty. If Eodwine chooses not to speak, then Manawyth's fate is in the hands of the highest ranking person he can find to lend support to his case. That's how Anglo-Saxon law worked. Scary, eh? Now, here in semi-enlightened Rohan, things may fun not quite so deterministically.

If somebody recognizes Manawyth's horse as their own, who's not to jump to horse thieving? Anquirel said in his first post that that horse didn't belong to him!But of course. But it's not the only thing one may think. However, it is the most likely.

Celuien, yes on the stove. Please! :p

Oh! One more thing. Firefoot, I'm choosing not to post right now as all I have in mind is Eodwine's answer to Léof's query, which is that if Æðel requests it, he is to ride to Meduseld and ask for the aid of the Healer (who as a nonplayer character is beginning to gain a rather substantial "non"-role, and ought to have a name ... .any ideas?)

[Alcarillo]

(who as a nonplayer character is beginning to gain a rather substantial "non"-role, and ought to have a name ... .any ideas?)
A while ago, when Marenil had his heart attack, Garwine ran to Meduseld to fetch a healer. I think I named him Hrethel, if I remember correctly.

Edit - Check out what I just found! Leof's got his own trading card! (http://decipher.fanhq.com/TCG/Card.aspx?gameID=7&cardID=5539)

[littlemanpoet]

A while ago, when Marenil had his heart attack, Garwine ran to Meduseld to fetch a healer. I think I named him Hrethel, if I remember correctly.
Hrethel it is. Good name.

[Celuien]

Celuien, yes on the stove. Please! :p
:D Guess everyone's tired of cold sandwiches.

Alrighty, he'll get to work on that stove. Three days should have it just about done. And no need to wait for lime mortar to set for a week before using the stove - he's using dry set and carving to make the blocks fit...

Hmm. Tonight is sort of busy. Maybe late this afternoon, or earlier if my team stays as low on the workload as it's been recently.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Just checking in; I'm still alive. Following along. Good stuff, everyone. If anybody feels the need to incorporate Saeryn and Degas, Saeryn's feelings toward Manawyth are protective now: she accepted him, ergo everybody else should, and she won't be happy to hear of horse stealing. Degas is ambiguous about him. Saeryn's mostly been working, getting things in place for the hall's guests, all that sort of thing. Degas is helping out where needed. You know... the typical.

[Folwren]

Folwren, Thornden can do whatever you want him to do. There are always consequences for actions, but they can be headed off. For example, if you want Thornden to stick around, have him do it, and have him put together a set of reasons why he needs to stay around, armed with which he goes to Eodwine and gives the Eorl his speal.

Oh, well, that's likely. I don't want him to disobey intentionally and get marked as such. He's got to be more responsible than that. He'll have to go, even though he won't want to.

Actually, would this be a good way to bring up the conflict that you've mentioned before? One reason to get Jenny's character in as the actual steward? Because Thornden runs on impulse occasionally (as I assume he would if he decided to go directly against orders just to see if Lys survives).

What do you think? Or are you going to be vague and stuborn like other RPers I've written with and say 'You decide, and whatever you write, I'll decide what my character'll do'? I hope not.

-- Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Or he goes and is just so distracted by worrying over Lys he makes some significant mistakes.

I think this would be a good place to introduce conflict, and agree with you there. But I'm going to be irritatingly vague and suggest that how you introduce that conflict is up to you. It is, after all, your character. :p

[littlemanpoet]

I also choose to be irritatingly vague. How else, my dear Folwren, are you going to be creative on your own account? Play with it! Have fun! I promise to let you know what won't work, but only after you write something.

[Folwren]

*frowns in frustration* :mad: I knew it! I just knew it! Neither of you oblige to be helpful and I am left exactly where I started, just as I expected - not know what to do. Well, you'll have to allow me a little time to think over it. Carry on, everyone. . .I might get a post up later on this afternoon.

-- Foley

P.S. I promise to let you know what won't work, but only after you write something.

Have you any idea how embarrassing this can be? 'Sorry, old chap, that ... doesn't work. Go back and edit it.'

[Taralphiel]

Just posting so you all don't think I've disappeared! :p

I'm working up a reply post for Lys, where he wakes and looks at the situation. I'll have him see Thorden quickly out of the corner of his eye. Is that okay? I want him to identify with him early on :)

Thanks everyone!

Tara :)

[littlemanpoet]

Have you any idea how embarrassing this can be? 'Sorry, old chap, that ... doesn't work. Go back and edit it.'Why should this be embarrassing? I've had to change things pointed out to me by a moderator before. So you just do it. It's no big deal. What's to be embarrassed about? Everybody makes mistakes, especially in writing. Take courage! We're all in this together.

By the way, you did an excellent job with that last post....

....although I need you to change just one little thing....

(just kidding) :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Everybody makes mistakes, especially in writing. Take courage! We're all in this together.
Very true. If y'all knew the number of times I've PMed LMP with "Hey, can you read this over for me?" You can't expect to be perfect. Just have fun and learn as you go. :)

[JennyHallu]

Jes' so y'all know, I do intend to post...eventually.

My life this week is crazy. I will do my best to come up with something, but I haven't yet been granted a clear vision of what Lin and Marenil are planning today. If you mention them, perhaps your character has noticed that Marenil has been very quiet. Hopefully Fea's life will calm down about when mine does, and we can develop the burgeoning relationship between Degas and Lin a bit. That could be fun ;)

[Folwren]

Why should this be embarrassing? I've had to change things pointed out to me by a moderator before. So you just do it. It's no big deal. What's to be embarrassed about? Everybody makes mistakes, especially in writing. Take courage! We're all in this together.

I don't know why it's embarrassing for me, it just is. Well, not all the time, I guess, but when it's an obvious mistake, it can be quite horrible. I get embarrassed easily when I'm trying to do something well. You should see me driving. I hate town driving, and when I make a mistake, even if no one sees me, I turn red as a beet and get extremely hot. The sight of a police car (whether or not I'm breaking the law) makes me flush. I'll get over it. You'll see. So go ahead and correct me. I'm sure being embarrassed doesn't cause too much damage. It's just my foolish pride.

By the way, you did an excellent job with that last post....

....although I need you to change just one little thing....

(just kidding) :D

lol! Thanks. :)

I'm working up a reply post for Lys, where he wakes and looks at the situation. I'll have him see Thorden quickly out of the corner of his eye. Is that okay? I want him to identify with him early on

Yes, that's fine with me, so long as he doesn't tell Eodwine. ;)

-- Foley

[Firefoot]

LMP, let me know if I didn't handle Eodwine quite right... that seemed to be the direction you were going with him.

[JennyHallu]

I've come up with plans for my day for Lin, I'll edit Marenil in or just leave him for a while longer, until he's needed. Maybe all the odd jobs he's been doing will come to light later.

Anywho, Fea, are you back? I think the girls should have a man with them, just in case, and Degas is one without predefined tasks on a Fair day. We could have fun with this.

Firefoot: Is this a ton of firewood in Newcastle, perhaps? (laughs at own joke) My guess is 2000 lbs.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yes, I'm back. :( <- never thought I'd use that smily for that statement.

Degas would love to escort the ladies. Lemme go read up on what I've missed and I'll post.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh my, poor Degas!

That was just mean! :eek:

I'm still laughing. Oh that poor dear. Ooh, she's good. She's very good.

[JennyHallu]

See? Now he can follow the little carrot she just tied to his head for a while. ;)

She can balance unfeeling mean-ness with sweet blushing innocent young thing-ness. Now the poor lad will be even more off-kilter. Lin fully intends to keep the ball in her court. For now...

Her author has plans to turn the tables later.

[Folwren]

Goodness, I have got tons to catch up on. Today, I will read everything and hopefully get a post up. :) A lot happened these past two days while I was gone.

-- Folwren

[Kath]

Ok I'm back and catching up slowly. Looks like things got interesting the last few days!

[Folwren]

LMP, I'm soon going to be posting a post about Thornden. . .however, I have to admit and say that I don't know exactly how one would go about this business, so if I write something that's obviously not right (or even if it's not so obvious but isn't right anyway) let me know and I'll edit it. (By the way, this sort of correction probably wouldn't be embarrassing. . .don't ask why not.)(Unless it were completely obvious.)

I have asked Undome (<-with lots of little accent marks) to play the part of one of your land owners. I believe she has PMed you with some question or other, so you probably already knew that.

Said post will be up within thirty or so minutes, I imagine.

-- Folwren

[Undómë]

Here is my little cast of characters:

Wistan, son of Rædwulf – 57 y/o; 5’6”(5’5” now that he’s older); grey hair, ear length; grey mustache and short beard; brown eyes

Cwen, Wistan’s wife – 43 y/o; 5’2”(5’1” now that she’s older); graying long blond hair; blue eyes

Rose, Wistan and Cwen’s daughter; unmarried – 20 y/o; 5’2” long dark blond hair; brown eyes

4 sons:

Garan 25 y/o (wife - Britta)
Willim 27 y/o (wife – Ardith)
Breca 30 y/o (wife – Lynet)
Æsc 30 y/o (wife – Mayda)

All the sons @ 5’6”, brown haired worn same as their father; all have mustaches and short beards. Garan and Willim have brown eyes; the twins have their mother’s blue eyes.

---------------

Wistan is a freeman, as are his sons. His large farm is called Dunstede (Hill Farmstead); located about 2 days ride southwest of Edoras along the foothills of the Starkhorn. Its size is about 5 hides (a hide being the unit of taxing/fee assessment of the farm, not its actual acreage). Suffice it to say the farm is more than adequate to support Wistan’s large family.

The farm grows oats to be traded at market as edible grain and for fodder. They have a small flock of sheep; a few goats; a number of pigs; chickens. And of course their own vegetable garden. Rose and her mother also keep a couple of beehives.

Wistan, Cwen, and Rose live in quarters just off the main hall. The four sons and their wives have separate small quarters for sleeping, but spend most of their daily activities in the family hall.

Wistan owns the farm, and does not owe the eorl any service in respect of labor as some of the less well off farmers in the emnet do. However, he still must pay ground rent and one pig a year to the eorl, as well as his church (local place of worship) dues and alms. He is also expected to perform carrying duties, help build and maintain fences and fortifications, and sundry other duties. He must also provide a soldier for the eorl’s/king’s army when commanded.

[littlemanpoet]

Wistan is in luck in terms of the dues and alms, as there is not church in Rohan. ;)

Nice work, Undomé! I'm impressed! I'm just going to link my to your post in my "list of characters" post instead of write all that down over again.

Oooh! That's 3,000. :D

Being picky:

Linduial, in post #231 how about a more Gondorian analogy than "tip of the iceberg"? ;)

Folwren, in post # 232 Eodwine will have directed Thornden to ask of the freeholders from whom he is collect coin, what boon would they ask in honor of the fee collected when the Eorl has means to give it? Such boons may include grievances to be righted, a quarrel with a neighbor to be arbitrated, thievery to be brought to justice, or whatever you can think of.

I must to bed and will have Eodwine answer Saeryn on the morrow.

[JennyHallu]

I'm not sure the analogy needs to be changed. It's all about voice: the analogy was not a thought of Lin's, it was part of my own narrative aimed at you all, not at any of the characters. I think such an anachronistic analogy on the part of the narrator could even be described as canon; Tolkien compares Gandalf's fireworks to an express train.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh snap. :D

[JennyHallu]

*is confused* snap?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Um... nevermind.

Jen, is there anything I need to be doing with Degas right now?

[JennyHallu]

He's looking at merchant booths for presents and other cool stuff. (hope nobody minds that I dragged everyone along for a while.) He also has a little girl sitting on his head. More or less. I expect she's squirmy.

Is there anything you want to do with Degas right now?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nope, I'm good.

[JennyHallu]

I figured we'd wait and let Celuien set the pace, since Lin and Degas are having fun humoring/spoiling Short'n'Squirmy ;). Lin's going to be keeping a close eye on anything Degas admires, by the way. :cool:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Lin's going to be keeping a close eye on anything Degas admires, by the way. :cool:
Ah, so what happens if he admires a dancer or two or something of the like? :p

And that should work well with letting Celuien take care of it, since Degas has no plans but to make sure the ladies under his protection are kept happy.

[Folwren]

Folwren, in post # 232 Eodwine will have directed Thornden to ask of the freeholders from whom he is collect coin, what boon would they ask in honor of the fee collected when the Eorl has means to give it? Such boons may include grievances to be righted, a quarrel with a neighbor to be arbitrated, thievery to be brought to justice, or whatever you can think of.

I must to bed and will have Eodwine answer Saeryn on the morrow.

Oh. How would I go about voicing that? They do owe you something, do they not? I mean . . . what's Thornden to say? I really have no idea how all this goes. Is it something like - 'Please give me so much money. Thanks much. Is there anything lord Eodwine can do for you in return for this?' Naturally, I'd fix it up from just that, but is that the gist of it, or am I missing something?

I'll re-write it to the best of my understanding, and then if it's still wrong, then you can say so again. Perhaps another lesson over PM wouldn't be misplaced here.

-- Foley

[JennyHallu]

Well, he does have a plan to find a gift for Saeryn, right? I thought I would let you initiate that search.

And Foley, it may be as simple as just asking whether they have any grievances or anything. Kind of polling the people on their opinion of Eodwine and the way their lives are going.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well, he does have a plan to find a gift for Saeryn, right? I thought I would let you initiate that search.
Okay. I'll do that later or tomorrow.

[littlemanpoet]

I'm not sure the analogy needs to be changed. It's all about voice: the analogy was not a thought of Lin's, it was part of my own narrative aimed at you all, not at any of the characters. I think such an anachronistic analogy on the part of the narrator could even be described as canon; Tolkien compares Gandalf's fireworks to an express train.

Yes, but I want to challenge you to try to find something Gondorian/Dol Amrothian anyway. Or maybe Rohirric. It would aid the sense of place in a way tips of icebergs doesn't.

Is Lin's keeping any eye on anything Degas admires including others of the fairer sex? ;) Ah, I see Feanor's and my minds work alike. :p

Folwren, perhaps something like this. "Eorl Eodwine is eager to have you as guest at the Mead Hall, and when you come he will be honored to grant you a boon as a token of his high regard for you and your house." Or something to that effect. Maybe that's a bit flyin' up there falutin', but it gets across my general thought.

Or what Jenny said.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is Lin's keeping any eye on anything Degas admires including others of the fairer sex? ;) Ah, I see Feanor's and my minds work alike. :p
Simply pick what will be the most fun to write and go with it is my philosophy. :cool:

[Folwren]

Folwren, perhaps something like this. "Eorl Eodwine is eager to have you as guest at the Mead Hall, and when you come he will be honored to grant you a boon as a token of his high regard for you and your house." Or something to that effect. Maybe that's a bit flyin' up there falutin', but it gets across my general thought.

Or what Jenny said.

Before, after, or during the money taking?

Edit: Never mind. I've edited the post. Let me know if that's alright.

-- Folwren

[Celuien]

And that should work well with letting Celuien take care of it, since Degas has no plans but to make sure the ladies under his protection are kept happy.
I'll get to that tonight.

Short'n'Squirmy, eh? :D

[JennyHallu]

:D

Weren't you squirmy as a child, especially excited? I know I was. I get squirmy when excited now, when I'm supposedly all grown up.

[Folwren]

LMP, I'm guessing I have some paper of proof on Thornden's person so that if some little lady like Rose demands them of him he can show her that he's being honest, but what would they look like and what would they contain? Any ideas, or is that up to me to decide?

-- Folwren

P.S. I'll warrant you're going to get mighty tired of my questions, aren't you? I promise you, though, that it'll only take one trip and then ever after, I'll be quite equipped to do this again.

[Undómë]

Folwren

Probably a little piece of vellum saying Eodwine authorizes you to act on his behalf in the matter of collecting taxes and fees and the granting of special dispositions and request as is within your authority, all in very high, legal type terms and such.

Besides the signature at the bottom of the paper, it will most likely have an official impression in sealing wax of Eodwine's family ring or something that bears his crest. (Otherwise - how will Rose know Thornden didn't just write it himself? :p )

Thornden would most like be carrying it and perhaps a list of those who are on the tax rolls, with what they owe, all rolled up and in a small leather, capped tube that hangs from your belt or is handy in your pack.

Just a thought.

~ U

[Taralphiel]

Hi all! :)

I'm curently thinking up a post where Hrethel treats Lys, if that's okay with everyone. I have to admit, I don't have a terrible lot of knowledge about medical treatments of the time, but I'll post up what I think will work. Then you can all give me your thoughts and I can edit it accordingly.

I thought I should make some progress on it, as it would be a little od that his wounds aren't seen to by the time Thornden gets back.

Tara :)

[Firefoot]

(Mostly to Alcarillo and Nerindel): Leof has made his 'escape,' and anyone who saw him leaving might have noticed him looking slightly guilty. If either of you (or anyone else; it didn't seem like many people were around and Garwine and Aedhel both are) want your character to notice him, follow him, try to talk him out of it, whatever, please feel free. :) It might be more interesting that way.

[littlemanpoet]

Folwren, what Undome said. Except that it wouldn't be quite so high legaleze, as that would be like a Gondorian infusion into Rohirric culture. Being a mere freeman until just a month ago, Eodwine doesn't have a family crest, so the King's writ serves until he comes up with one.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Degas, my musician lad (have I mentioned that anywhere new writers would notice?), is in a mood to play. Lin will note that he's more mellow now, caught in desire for song. Perhaps she'll find that his mind is less on her than it was just a few moments before.

Saeryn wants to hear that dream. Eodwine did well when he tantalized her with it. She'd not have ventured out to the fair if she wasn't dead curious... no other bribe would have worked.

[JennyHallu]

Um...that ended up a bit long. Rescues welcome, and feel free to speculate on the identity of her attacker: he is noble, but other than that I have no specific identity for him. The motive is not political, mere mercenary ransom...But I'd rather they didn't get anything. Up to you guys really. I figure this will have the most immediate affect on Eodwine, sworn to protect her, and Degas, who likes her.

This is what I've had up my sleeve, by the way.;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I plan to have Degas realize that he can't find her, realize that he can't search with a small child, and try to find Eodwine (explaining that he screwed up as protector isn't something he's looking forward to).

First though, I want Saeryn to find Eodwine and for them to talk.

[Taralphiel]

My post is up for all to pick at if they wish :p I probably will need a few tips on his treatment.

In looking over the posts about this, I noticed that Æðel called for Hrethel. Rather than write a part for her, I had Lys wake up and find his wounds cleaned. That way Æðel took part, and can be off to the fair or anywhere else she's needed. I hope that's okay Nerindel! :)

Tara :)

[littlemanpoet]

Taralphiel: That's Middle Emnet, not West Emnet. There was no such thing in Tolkien's LotR, but I've made up how King Eomer decided to create it, and make Eodwine its newly minted Eorl.

Jenny, how many days do you foresee this kidnapping last? It's April 4 in the rpg and already 4/19 in real time, and I'll want to get the two back closer to each other at some point, and maybe a prolonged kidnapping might aid that..... scarey as it sounds....

[Taralphiel]

Eep! Sorry LMP ! I fixed upthat li'l goof :p Thanks for telling me.

Tara :)

[Lalwendë]

Larswic and the lads are going to go and watch the horse racing. Will Leof win? Will Larswic bet on him? And if he does win, will he let on who this great new jockey is? Leof may be watching him, but he is also watching Leof!

And I love the idea that the two lads are under suspicion of causing bother! Remember Wultheof is the more hot headed one and Leocsley is more quiet, more of a rebel. ;)

[JennyHallu]

How many days it lasts is pretty much out of my hands. Lin is not really all that capable of putting up a physical defense, much less escaping (Imagine that, an RPG character who's terrified, and not one bit spunky). However, if it does last for awhile, I may have the kidnappers smuggle my little darling back out of the city, to wherever the kidnapper's own lands are. Still open to advice on his identity.

[Folwren]

And you’ll be sorry, too . . . she thought to herself as she glanced at Thornden quickly and then away. Especially sorry if they find you “available”!

Poor man! He looked, to her eyes, ever so much the fox among the hounds . . .

Haha!! This is turning out more and more amusing than I first expected!!!

-- A very much amused Folwren

[Undómë]

Glad you like it!

It will be interesting to see if Thornden catches on (has he been through something like this before, I wonder), or if he just answers the innocent enough sounding questions . . . ;)

[JennyHallu]

Alcarillo, I love how you're playing on the similarity between the horses mentioned in passing weeks ago. Very cool.

[Folwren]

It will be interesting to see if Thornden catches on (has he been through something like this before, I wonder), or if he just answers the innocent enough sounding questions . . . ;)

Oh, goodness, Thornden's oblivious, I can assure you. ;) Actually, I'm not quite sure how much he is. I'm certainly thinking about it and will be all evening until tomorrow when I finally have time to sit down and write a post.

And yes, I'm enjoying it very much.

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Edit: Okay, Undome, I've put up a post and the hounds have very efficiently captured the fox.

Thornden has asked where Winstan was, and though he may be a little anxious to get on his way, there's really nothing he or the ladies can do to get Winstan going any faster, so just take your time. I'm certainly looking forward to it. :D

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Folwren: in post # 262 you'll want to be picking either the West Emnet or East Emnet; I don't think Tolkien ever gave a clue as to which of the two was first. ;)

Firefoot: in post #263 there was no voice-amplifying sound system, so I don't think an announcer would have been heard during the actual race.

As to Eodwine and Saeryn, I'm waiting for a post from Celuien before I make one myself.

[Firefoot]

Righto. I had sort of wondered about that... anyway, I took it out.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

As to Eodwine and Saeryn, I'm waiting for a post from Celuien before I make one myself.
Gotcha. I was getting all impatient like you wouldn't believe. :p

[littlemanpoet]

Well, here's a question. Celuien's character Garstan is merely on the way to the fair while Eodwine and Saeryn are already there. I suppose I could do another post yet before Garstan interrupts the (ahem) careful intensities between the two not-lovebirds. :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

That's good for me, since I'd planned on Degas interrupting them after one more post.

[Folwren]

Folwren: in post # 262 you'll want to be picking either the West Emnet or East Emnet; I don't think Tolkien ever gave a clue as to which of the two was first. ;)

Eh, very well. East it will be, then. I think that should be first, seeing as the sun rises first on it. ;) Anyway, you said 'Middle Emnet' so I figured something would want to come first or last.

I had another question - how long after the Great War is this? Have you any idea? If Eodwine fought in it...was he a young man back then? Or is it not as way 'back then' after all?

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Eh, very well. East it will be, then. I think that should be first, seeing as the sun rises first on it. ;) Anyway, you said 'Middle Emnet' so I figured something would want to come first or last.

I had another question - how long after the Great War is this? Have you any idea? If Eodwine fought in it...was he a young man back then? Or is it not as way 'back then' after all?

-- Folwren
Fourth Age Year 15. 16, actually, come to think of it, seeing as a new March 25 has just come and gone lately.....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Do you want me to wait for Garstan's arrival before I deal with Degas and the missing Lady Lin?

[Celuien]

Eek! I didn't know you were waiting for me to make it to the fair, so I went to play in my concert thingy today. Took up most of the day. :rolleyes:

I'll catch up and write tonight.

[littlemanpoet]

Sorry for and incomplete answer, Folwren. Eodwine was in his late twenties when he went to war, and lost a son, and daugher, and a wife back at the Gap while he was gone. Sixteen years later now, he is in his early 40s.

Let's wait for Garstan's arrival as it's most likely to be comic relief just before the tension mounts to something really serious.

Dinna fash y'sel', Celuien. We might be thrumming the boards with our fingers, but we'll be nice to you anyway. ;)

[Celuien]

Dinna fash y'sel', Celuien. We might be thrumming the boards with our fingers, but we'll be nice to you anyway. ;)
Well that's a relief. I was worried that I might be re-exiled to Mordor for tardiness. ;)

[littlemanpoet]

Hmmm.... Eodwine will answer yes to Garstan's question, but want to see the race through. But I want to leave it to Firefoot to give the story of the race, and if I say so, then we have us a very, very short post. So I want to wait for Firefoot to finish the race story before I respond. If Fea wants Saeryn to put these words in Eodwine's mouth and has some ideas what can happen, go for it.

[Folwren]

Let's wait for Garstan's arrival as it's most likely to be comic relief just before the tension mounts to something really serious.

D'ye mean, when Degas comes back and says Lin's missing? I'm definitely looking forward to the excitement, I can tell you...

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

I'll probably be finishing it sometime tomorrow, if that's all right. I was going to just have it finished in one post, but Lalwende and I had talked and I wanted to give her a chance to follow through with her part of it before I finished the race all up...

[Folwren]

Hm. Apparently when I posted my last post on the thread, I had neglected to copy the last paragraph. I have edited that now, so the question that had been actually left out the first time is now there and the post is complete. So sorry, all.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Okay, the way it looks to me now, I'll post when I get a chance tomorrow.
1. Eodwine asks Garstan to hold his question until after the race.
2. The three of them get so excited by Léof winning that they forget about Garstan's question and Eodwine's dream, track down Léof, and celebrate.
3. Garstan finally remembers his question and Eodwine answers it.
4. Saeryn who's patience has worn thin, asks about the dream, only to be interrupted by Degas who reports Linduial missing.
5. Eodwine & company start searching all over the fair for Linduial, dream again forgotten.

How's that look? I don't have to get all of this into one post, but it's a game plan. Any additions to this skeleton?

The Away story with Folwren and Undomë can of course thread through the fair story as it has been doing.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Looks good to me.

[Alcarillo]

2. The three of them get so excited by Léof winning that they forget about Garstan's question and Eodwine's dream, track down Léof, and celebrate.
Please bump into Garwine on the way! He'll be tracking down Leof, too, you know, after he collects his winnings. *rubs hands greedily*

[Lalwendë]

I'll probably be finishing it sometime tomorrow, if that's all right. I was going to just have it finished in one post, but Lalwende and I had talked and I wanted to give her a chance to follow through with her part of it before I finished the race all up...

That's OK! The important thing with my character is the whole betting thing. I wonder if he would have been all that excited watching the race anyway? Know-what-I-mean? ;)

That was great writing, too!

[Celuien]

Looks fine to me. And gives me a chance tonight to work on making the new you-know-what now that I've got my bearings straight. ;)

[JennyHallu]

Don't expect much from me in the meantime. I'm writing up a book of a post, but it won't come in until the search for Lin becomes truly chaotic. Oh, and I'm going to be taking liberties with the royal family.

[littlemanpoet]

If Wistan's farm is two day's walk, isn't it safe to assume that Thornden rode horse to the place? Why then would Thornden need a new horse from Wistan's stables? Or did he walk, and is this actually two days after the horse fair? Or correct me if I'm just being dense or something....

[Undómë]

Perhaps the man likes to walk :p

At least a horse was never mentioned in connection with him coming to the Farm . . .

Perhaps he parked it at the end of the lane that enters into the farm proper.

So, Folwren - what would you like to do?

[JennyHallu]

I'm so cheerfully hoping that Rose becomes at the very least a recurring character. She's so practical and has a lovely ironic sense of humor...and she's well-adjusted, which can be a rare commodity in a RP. ;)

[Folwren]

Perhaps the man likes to walk :p

At least a horse was never mentioned in connection with him coming to the Farm . . .

Perhaps he parked it at the end of the lane that enters into the farm proper.

So, Folwren - what would you like to do?

Oh, sigh. Well, the simple fact is, I had at first thought Thornden would go on foot. But then as my posts progressed, I realized that he probably would need a horse, but I didn't go back and fix it. As it turns out, therefore, Thornden is horseless where he really would need a horse. Should I go back and change things a bit? It would take a little while for me to fix everything up. That post in which we found horses in the barn, Undome, I could fix without having to alter any of the later posts that we have written. I can also fix the earlier posts so that you will not have to edit any of your posts to accomodate this problem.

Or, (now this statement is going to show such laziness that I should be ashamed to say it and you can jump on me quite sharply if you like for it) could we just ignore it and pretend it were otherwise and he could do it all on foot? Next time Thornden has to go out to collect alms, I could take a horse.

Jenny, I too hope that Rose is a recurring character. That would be great!

-- Folwren

[Celuien]

Catching up on developments...

Garstan's going to eventually get out that question about the kitchen, but I think I'm going to wait for a response to the question about the party first.

[Undómë]

Folwren –

Why don’t you just mention Thornden dismounting before he knocks on the door at Dunstede - that should cover the fact that he does indeed have a horse.

Then in Post 266:

I’ll just change this:

‘Well, then,’ she said, her voice a bit muffled as she bent down to untie her cuffs once again, her long blond hair falling forward to hide her face. She stood up, pushing the wavy masses away from her cheeks and stuffed the leather thongs in her pocket. ‘I’ll just fetch a pair of horses for us from the barn. Or better yet, why don’t you come with me and take your pick, Master Thornden.’

To this:

‘Well, then,’ she said, her voice a bit muffled as she bent down to untie her cuffs once again, her long blond hair falling forward to hide her face. She stood up, pushing the wavy masses away from her cheeks and stuffed the leather thongs in her pocket. ‘I’ll just fetch a horse for myself from the barn. Why don’t you bring your own along, Master Thornden, and we’ll start off from there.’

And you can then edit your ‘in the barn’ post as you wish . . .

How does that sound?

~ U

[Folwren]

Well, I guess. But not tonight. Tomorrow I'll fix it. I promise.

Edit: Firefoot, if Thornden were to take a horse, he would have taken one from the stables. However, Thornden doesn't have a horse, at least I didn't write him with one. He could have had one, but I don't know what good a horse would have done someone who had been a guard for a year. He'd probably sold his horse to get some extra pocket money towards the beginning of his entrance into Edoras and it's only been a little over a week since he's left Meduseld and he hasn't bought another one (pity he's gone during the horse fair, eh?) So, what I want to know is which horse is available that Thornden might take from the stables? Eodwine's old war horse probably needs to stretch his legs, but would Eodwine let him go with him?

I would want to say that Thornden has a horse from the very beginning, in post #207, when he first starts out from the Mead Hall. In which case, I'll write that he had told Leof that he would need a horse at the crack of dawn the next day and when he walks out, Leof will be leading the horse out of the stables. I realize your little character still has a few hard feelings against Thornden - would it be alright if I added some dry remarks on his side?

'Good morning, Leof!' (Thornden's in high spirits this morning...had a good night's sleep.) Leof nodded and slipped the reins over the horse's head. 'How's the foot this morning?'

'Very well, sir,' the ostler replied. . .

Something along those lines.

LMP: Would you object to Eodwine's horse being used?

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

LMP: Would you object to Eodwine's horse being used?Not at all. I was going to suggest it. His name is Flíthaf. A chestnut charger, I think I described him as.... (?) Eodwine would offer him saying that Flíthaf needs to get out more than the mead hall lord has a chance to.

[Folwren]

Not at all. I was going to suggest it. His name is Flíthaf. A chestnut charger, I think I described him as.... (?) Eodwine would offer him saying that Flíthaf needs to get out more than the mead hall lord has a chance to.

Oh, good! Now I'm really excited about it.

EDIT: Okay! I've now edited posts #207, 211, 232, and 268.

Firefoot, tell me if I've handled Leof alright in 207. I realize that once again I've asked a question and written something before waiting for a reply.

Undome, let me know if 268 is alright still. I also changed the color of your horse. I figured if Flithaf was chestnut, it’d be more interesting if your mare wasn’t. So, she’s a dark brown with black mane and tale. :) If you want it otherwise, I can do that, too.

--Folwren at your service

[littlemanpoet]

Thanks for going through all the trouble, Folwren. I'm glad you're happy with it.

[Firefoot]

Folwren - you handled Leof perfectly. :) Please bump into Garwine on the way! He'll be tracking down Leof, too, you know, after he collects his winnings. *rubs hands greedily* Alcarillo, you could probably have Garwine find Leof first, while the rest of them are finishing up what they're doing. Leof's just sort of waiting on his lonesome right now. ;)

[littlemanpoet]

I want to keep the Eorling Mead Hall thread running close to real time of year.

If we handle the kidnapping within the main thread, we run the risk of getting the thread bogged down in day to day to day pacing, and would probably have to some day jump forward in time something like 9 months. :rolleyes: I don't want to go there.

So I'm thinking about the possibility of a mini-rpg on a separate thread, with its own characters and a limited game-time frame of, say, three weeks. That means that we can jump ahead in the main thread three weeks and celebrate the freedom of Linduial, and move forward with other sub-plots. Those who wish to be part of the sub-plot of the kidnapping can then be part of that story, and we set out rules for ourselves to make the sub-plot dove-tail with the main thread. The sub-plot can therefore take a couple months to write but not bog down the main thread.

Thoughts?

EDIT: By the way, I'll write a post for Eodwine tomorrow. It's getting late tonight.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

While I like the idea, I'm a bit bummed that I won't be able to take part. The next couple of months are simply too busy.

But I'd love to read along!

[Taralphiel]

I can't speak for the main characters of the mini-RP obviously, but I like the idea! If there are any smaller roles to fill in it, I'd be glad to lend a hand...or keyboard :P

I think an RP with a smaller time frame is a nice change from the longer RP's and a different test of writing skill. I'd be happy to have a try at it!

Tara :)

[Alcarillo]

A mini RPG. Sounds fun.
Alcarillo, you could probably have Garwine find Leof first, while the rest of them are finishing up what they're doing. Leof's just sort of waiting on his lonesome right now. ;)
I'll post tomorrow. Tonight was taken up by a school presentation I had to prepare for.

[piosenniel]

The mini-RPG - would it be open only to those writers who are in the Mead Hall thread at present, or would others be joining?

[littlemanpoet]

The mini-RPG - would it be open only to those writers who are in the Mead Hall thread at present, or would others be joining?
Others could join, such as recruitables from the Shire. There is a kidnapper to be played, for example, and other roles may develop in the planning. I'm open to new writers, in other words.

[JennyHallu]

It will be a very difficult challenge for me, character development-wise, as I will be dealing with Lin in two different stages of development, and have to make them mesh at the end. I'm willing to undertake it, though. Although I will miss Fea's involvement. Will we still get Degas' panic? Will you have time to occasionally show up, as a minor character?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

To keep it simple, it'd be a hairline short of insane for me even to consider it given my plans thus far for the next few months.

[JennyHallu]

*sniffles* how awful...I'll try not to succomb to the disappointment. I'll talk to you later to see how we want the elapsed time of the kidnapping to affect Degas's and Lin's relationship. That way I can try harder for continuity. And I'm going to try to work out some story something to explain why Degas (who will surely feel responsible) doesn't take part in the kidnapping sub-plot, to be discussed with lmp. The kidnapping subplot definitely needs to be discussed with lmp and probably pio...I'll PM you both shortly.

[littlemanpoet]

I have an idea on how we can make Feanor's relative absence work on favor of heightening the tension in regard to Degas vis a vis Linduial.....

Eodwine, upon learning that Degas has lost Linduial, is incensed. It is entirely his own responsibility, and he realizes that he has been lax in not sending Garwine or a man of the Hall to accompany the young princess. He regrettably takes out his wrath on Degas and refuses to allow Degas to have anything at all to do with Linduial's recovery; in fact, sends him on the errand of informing Linduial's father as to what has happened, begging for ransoming assistance, as Eodwine's purse is terribly shy of funds. This puts Degas in a very, very uncomfortable plight, and definitely increases the tension. Thoughts?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Works for me. Degas will be feeling awful, feeling that the entire situation is his fault (which, to be honest, a lot of it IS). If Degas's role in the mini-game is like Inzi's was originally supposed to be in PoN, I think I can sneak in time. "Meanwhile, down in Gondor, Degas was being beaten up royally by some very angry big brothers."

It's because my schedule for the next few months varies between so scheduled that I won't have time and likelihood for spontaneous not-being-around that I'm unwilling to commit. But if Degas's part involves me merely posting only every so often and when I'm able, I can do it.

[JennyHallu]

As long as we get Degas' panicked admission of guilt to Eodwine...and getting Degas down among Lin's family might leave room for interest too, as well as the fun of meeting her brothers, (control of whom I will almost definitely grant to someone else, even down to names, as I never did name those two)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I still plan on the panicked admission. Well, less than panicked, given he doesn't want to scare the little girl (gah, really need to remember that name) that's starting to fall asleep on his shoulder, but you know...

When will be transfer this plot to a later time? Before or after Degas shows up?

And it's a long trip from the mead hall to Lin's home, no? Especially when she's the queen's cousin, right, and a help with ransom could easily come from there.

Would Degas still be sent as emmisary to the south? It would mean that he'd be gone for a number of weeks at the least, to accomodate travel time and proper noble... stuff...

Surely he'd be back AFTER Lin's been saved.

Oh, the details. In any case, I've got a class to attend and a few hours of work and a meeting with a professor, so I must be off.

[Folwren]

I have an idea on how we can make Feanor's relative absence work on favor of heightening the tension in regard to Degas vis a vis Linduial.....

Eodwine, upon learning that Degas has lost Linduial, is incensed. It is entirely his own responsibility, and he realizes that he has been lax in not sending Garwine or a man of the Hall to accompany the young princess. He regrettably takes out his wrath on Degas and refuses to allow Degas to have anything at all to do with Linduial's recovery; in fact, sends him on the errand of informing Linduial's father as to what has happened, begging for ransoming assistance, as Eodwine's purse is terribly shy of funds. This puts Degas in a very, very uncomfortable plight, and definitely increases the tension. Thoughts?

Lovely. Poor Degas, though, I must say.

I like the idea of a seperate, small, short RPG. It will be easier and doable in three weeks (or however long you decide upon) because most of the characters have already been developed and the development of the characters is often what takes so long when writing a story. Once we're past that (and we are, on most of the main characters) it shouldn't be so difficult to just do the story.

And, gosh, I can't wait for Thornden to get back the Mead Hall! Rose and her family are all very nice and enjoyable, but there's so much excitement he's going to miss. And then there Lys that I'm dying to have Thornden meet for real. . .

But for all my complaints, I am having tons of fun with Undome's characters. A new amusement just arose with her and her brothers. I forgot how brothers can be with sisters. I don't suppose she'll be having problems with them trying to hook her up with Thornden, will she? Quite the opposite. They'll be making sure he keeps his proper distance. ;)

-- Folwren