Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Rikae]

Now Shasta - questioning the GW like that might get you lynched... careful there!

[satansaloser2005]

Hey, I think I do not understand you. The thing you quoted cannot be explained in any other way than that I am speaking of you and me, my dear? That's it. Or sorry, I did not understand the question probably.

You said WE want to have fun with your daughter. Legate, you got some splaining to do.... *could have been a typo, I'd just like to know one way or another*



Voting records coming up by the way....

[Roa_Aoife]

Hey, you mean against lynching Legate? :confused:

Actually, I meant for lynching Cailin.

[satansaloser2005]

Nilp-->Rikae at 10:20am
Lhuna-->Sally at 10:20am
Izzy-->Diamond at 11:03am
Rikae-->Rikae at 11:33am
Morm-->Lommie at 12:33pm
Roa-->Legate at 2:25pm
Diamond-->Cailin at 3:41pm
Legate-->Cailin at 4:06pm
Kath-->Cailin at 4:50pm
Lallie-->Cailin at 4:52pm
Cellie-->Cailin at 4:52pm
Dure-->Cailin at 4:53pm
Brinn-->Cailin at 4:56pm
Gwath-->Cailin at 5:00pm
Sally-->Cailin at 5:17pm
Cailin-->Morm at 5:20pm
Lommie-->Cailin at 5:20pm
Phantom-->Cailin at 5:27pm
Greenie-->Cailin at 5:46pm
No voters: Erm....whoever didn't vote. I just realized what time it is, so I'll go through my list later and see who didn't put in their two cents.


NOTE: GMT-5 again today. Innocents and Wolves

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm not always bad at taking orders, but I'm bad at taking orders from haughty people who behave all too self-consciously and annoy me and whom I'm not sure if I can trust.

*hugs Lommy* Thank you! And thank you, Roa, for saying exactly what I wanted to say.

As for "acting how", as pertaining to my earlier question, I meant that the GW could act to prevent the former Gifted from becoming a wolf.

[Rikae]

Well, kiddo, I'll play along. Here's my opinion on everybody:
THEY'RE ALL WOLVES! LYNCH THEM ALL!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nilp-->Rikae at 10:20am
Lhuna-->Sally at 10:20am
Izzy-->Diamond at 11:03am
Rikae-->Rikae at 11:33am
Morm-->Lommie at 12:33pm
Roa-->Legate at 2:25pm
Diamond-->Cailin at 3:41pm
Legate-->Cailin at 4:06pm
Kath-->Cailin at 4:50pm
Lallie-->Cailin at 4:52pm
Cellie-->Cailin at 4:52pm
Dure-->Cailin at 4:53pm
Brinn-->Cailin at 4:56pm
Gwath-->Cailin at 5:00pm
Sally-->Cailin at 5:17pm
Cailin-->Morm at 5:20pm
Lommie-->Cailin at 5:20pm
Phantom-->Cailin at 5:27pm
Greenie-->Cailin at 5:46pm
No voters: Erm....whoever didn't vote. I just realized what time it is, so I'll go through my list later and see who didn't put in their two cents.


NOTE: GMT-5 again today. Innocents and Wolves

I didn't vote. Our electricity was out in the morning, and later in the day I was at a wedding.

[satansaloser2005]

*hugs Lommy* Thank you! And thank you, Roa, for saying exactly what I wanted to say.

As for "acting how", as pertaining to my earlier question, I meant that the GW could act to prevent the former Gifted from becoming a wolf.



Problem is that if they tried to scry them back they may kill their intended team member. Overabundance of magic remember? Or whatever it's called....



I'll be around for like three more minutes, then I must be heading out for a few hours.

[Thinlómien]

*hugs Lommy* Thank you! And thank you, Roa, for saying exactly what I wanted to say.
As for "acting how", as pertaining to my earlier question, I meant that the GW could act to prevent the former Gifted from becoming a wolf.Nice that my dad (at least) likes me. :D But you know, I'm not exactly for forming a guerilla front against tp. I think Roa is right with demanding him to be more clear, but he left, so what can we do? *shrugs* I can't really see it harming us to do those summaries, so maybe we just have to obey, even if that involves gritting our teeth... :rolleyes:

And as for that acting how thing, yes, the GW could rescry the ordo so that she would die instead of turning evil. A waste of scry but possibly necessary...


edit: xed with everybody after Shasta's 1005

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Every cell in me urges me not to follow phantom's directions. I'm not always bad at taking orders, but I'm bad at taking orders from haughty people who behave all too self-consciously and annoy me and whom I'm not sure if I can trust. *le sigh* I mean, I think I can trust tp but I'm not sure, this game is looking more and more complicated...

On the other hand, I was planning to do such a summary toDay anyway, just to force myself to think about some people I have so stupidly let fly under my radar. :rolleyes: And I can't think of any harm that doing it would bring. So, phantom, know this: when (if?) I do the summary, I'm doing it because I planned to do so, not because you requested it. Period.

I also recommed others not to be as rebellious-spirited as I am. I think it's a very good idea to make everybody make a summary... we must just swallow our pride and let tp boss us around... (I can see how he enjoys the situation...)
Ha! That feeling sounds familiar :D Anyway, I am probably going to do some list too, but not now. Later. When I am fresh.

I can't say that Lommy's posts early toDay carry on with the generally rather unpleasant view on her, but whatever. Although I know others were not for example as definitely convinced about Rikae or such as I was (because I knew she was lying), I chose to trust phantom once and I still keep with it - at least for now. Then, if he were to be something sinister, I am sure it would show sooner or later.

If you have directions from the GW, hand 'em over. Stop playing games with us. I notice that that's exactly what Rikae did yesterday. We know that Diamond trusted you, but we don't know that she knew your role. You could very well be the EW and Rikae is your wolf. I wouldn't put that kind of move past either of you. You can say that Di was trying to help you because she knew you, but all we have is your word on that. She may have simply been duped.
Hmm, I think it's too complicated a view. While it is "safe", I think still, too complicated. Even I don't come up with theories like that.

You said WE want to have fun with your daughter. Legate, you got some splaining to do.... *could have been a typo, I'd just like to know one way or another*
I said we are trying to have nice time with your daughter. By "we" I meant you and me. You+me=we. Clear, eh?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, as I said, I am leaving now (this time really). Good night and see you in some time after several hours.

[Rikae]

Why don't you just lynch me? I've been all but proven to be a wolf!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Why don't you just lynch me? I've been all but proven to be a wolf!

Because you're just so gosh darn cute! *ruffles your fur*

[Brinniel]

A few quick things.

1) Don't vote yet. I have special lynching instructions that will be given to you later on today.

2) Completely ignore anything Rikae says.

3) Make a list of every villager and give your thoughts on them. The GW wishes to see everyone express opinions on everyone else.

That's all for now. I have to leave for a while but I'll be back with some more later tonight.
First off like some others here, I will not be so quick to put all my trust in phantom. Roa's right- just because Di sided with him doesn't necessarily mean he is what he says he is. I mentioned yesterDay I was afraid of falling into a trap, and I only feel stronger about this now. At this point in the game, I will not put my full trust into anyone until their role has been proven...which means, I can only really trust the dead.

That said, I don't plan to follow every word of tp's. Like these "special lynching instructions" he plans to give us...I'll leave who I want to lynch to my own judgement.

But two of his instructions do make perfect sense. Firstly, we shouldn't listen to anything Rikae says. She has now spoken and her attempts towards chaos obviously point towards evilness. I think it's more likely she is a wolf, but I still can't be sure about that. Secondly, I do agree all of us should post thoughts on everyone. Not just for the GW, but for ourselves. YesterDay we focused too much on the situation around us (and it really was insane), but if we don't look at everyone, people will slide under the radar...and then we'll be in danger.

EDIT: Haha, I see Rikae has changed her avatar to a wolf. Apparently, she loves to flaunt the fact that she's evil. :p

[Rikae]

EDIT: Haha, I see Rikae has changed her avatar to a wolf. Apparently, she loves to flaunt the fact that she's evil. :p

You've got that right! :D I'm quite pleased with myself - I rid the village of two nasty gifteds in one night, you know (and all I got was this lousy t-shirt).

[mormegil]

There is a remote possibility that nobody has really considered. I admit, it's a bit far fetched but at least we should open the possibility. Is there a chance that the phantom claimed himself as the hunter hoping to get the GW or a gifted out in the open. The plausibility is increased that he said he was the hunter, as he knew there would be one living. The downside is that the hunter is a relatively weak gifted that usually doesn't hit that mark. Now, I believe that this is not the case. However, there is the chance that the EW did convert that phantom to be an ordo yesterday...if this is the case I don't believe Rikae to be the EW as she picked this up and ran with it shortly after the idea was presented. I'm not convinced the ranger made a save either though as they are difficult to come by.

At least we should all wait for the phantom and see what he has to say. In my experience it is in our best interest to do so. He may have something very useful to say to us. I will get my list up hopefully soon.

[mormegil]

A Little Green--No real read on her, pretty quiet.
Shastanis Althreduin--A bit too opinionated and not willing to listen to reason or at least give what the phantom says a shot. He seems to inclinced to distrust everybody
Isabellkaya--A good possible 'under the radar' wolf
Thinlómien --Like always I think she's evil but I don't have any real good reason to think this.
Nilpaurion Felagund--He feels right to me. I think Nilp is somebody we should trust
Eönwë--No read
Kath--She may have spoken less than me up to this point.
Satansaloser--Seems all over the place and a mass poster. I'm not sure I see eye to eye with her and she hounds a lot of trivial points but overall I think her innocent.
Rikae--Evil of some sort
the phantom--I think he is gifted and most likely not turned last night. I am willing to listen to him if what he says makes sense. He has been the voice of reason to me and I have looked to him for leadership.
Lhunardawen--Sincere enough and seems all right.
Durelin --*shrugs*
Roa_Aoife --*sigh* I never know what to think of her. Her style tends to rub me the wrong way and makes me think her guilty but she seems sincere so I'm currently inclined to think her innocent.
Brinniel--She didn't sit right with me at first but has since calmed down and I think her suspicios but not guilty.
Lalaith--Something is not right with her and if I were the seer I would dream of her.
Celuien--Sems innocent and sincere.
Gwathagor--Far too rash today to just up and vote. Almost as if he is a wolf wanting to show how quick he was willing to jump on that bandwagon. Makes me very suspicous.
McCaber--No idea.

I hope I didn't miss anybody. Due to my schedule and real life I haven't kept up as much as I would like but this is the impression I get from what I've read. Being that things on here have calmed and thinned a bit I should keep better track of what is going on.

[Rikae]

Rikae--Evil of some sort

Now, what makes you say that? :Merisu: You don't even give a reason! Wolf.

What, just because I say I'm evil and my claim to be the GW caused the seer to reveal herself and get killed? Didn't tp tell you not to listen to anything I say? If I say I'm evil, I am obviously innocent.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, here comes my summary...

A Little Green - A little shady case. I must admit she has quite totally slipped under my radar, but I'm not very alarmed. I'd like her to post more, but from what she posts, she looks quite innocent. The problem is that she'd make a nice scry for the EW - a smart girl keeping out of sight and suspicion...

Shastanis Althreduin - I love it how he posts so much and takes so actively part in the discussion. I feel pretty good about him. The problem is pretty much the same as with Greenie: he slightly slips under my radar and he too would make a nice non-original scry for the EW. I don't think his style has changed at any phase of the game, though, so I'm not worried. I'm not sure if I should be this much at ease with him, though.

Isabellkaya - She tends to talk sense, although she also tends to parrot other people's points. I have no clue about her role. Except that I'd not be surprised to find out that she is the wolf who was scried on Night2. I mean, on Day1 she pretty much convinced everybody she's making sense and seemed pretty innocent. Since then at least I have been getting less innocent vibes from her but as she too has quite slipped under my radar I have not paid it much attention. So, yes, I'd not be surprised if she is a wolf, but I would like to have a look at her posts before getting too vocal about my suspicion of her.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Mostly makes sense and is reasonable in an innocent way. I do not suspect him. I know I maybe should, though, as last time I played with him and he was a wolf he fooled me (and everybody else) completely.

Eönwë - He has talked very little and even less of substance, but I hesitate to judge him harshly because of that. He's been incredibly brave to take this as his first game. I don't really have much of an opinion about him, except that some EWs couldn't just resist cursing the poor innocent little ww noob.

Kath - What a sneak. ;) She is always quite quiet (yet contributive) but she seldom slips under my radar like this. Also, she usually talks a bit more and reveals more of her personal opinions. I get the feeling that she's intentionally laying low and I'm wary of her. I would not be surprised if she was the EW. I would not be surprised either if she was a wolf. There's something wrong with her, I think, or then she's just really busy with RL...

Satansaloser2005 - I think she looks quite innocent. Yes, that's it.

Rikae - I'd be inclined to think that she's a wolf, but she could be the EW too. A very naughty person anyway. (Obviously.)

the phantom - The ultimate enigma. Could be anything. I'm inclined to trust him, but I dislike his attitude and don't want to follow his orders. I can't trust him although it would make little sense for him to act as he does if he was evil. If you can bith trust in someone and suspect him, that's the way I feel about tp.

Lhunardawen - A terribly sneaky gal. Has practically slipped under my radar like so many others. She seems innocentish to me, though. I doubt she was an original wolf (she has left such a strong impression of harmlesness), but she could have been cursed later and I could have ignored her suspiciousness because she had been so innocent before. Hmmm... maybe I should look at her posts more closely. Anyway, I'm not really worried about her, whether that's wise or not.

Durelin - I could very well see her as an original wolf but nothing this far has actually made me suspect her. Maybe she's innocent.

Roa_Aoife - The voice of reason and intelligent questioning. She's an incredibly charismatic personality, I find myself siding with her almost always in ww games. That's partly because I tend to think the same way with her if we're both innocent, though. I think I tend to trust her a little less when she's evil and now I've been quite strongly inclined to trust her, so maybe she's innocent? Horrible logic, I know. :rolleyes: I should definitely pay her more attention and not be fooled by her reasonability and calm.

Brinniel - For all the game, she has been thinking very similarily as I have. Bizarrely, it makes me a little suspicious of her, although I'm in principle inclined to trust her. But I think I've been very like-minded with an innocent Brinn before and suspected her for no reason just because of that, so maybe I should just leave it be and believe that she's innocent because she seems like she is...

Legate of Amon Lanc - I'm inclined to think him innocent, although I'd like to repeat that Rikae's (or phantom's or Diamond's) behaviour doesn't prove it. The only thing I really have against him is that he keeps having silly reasons to suspect me. :p

Lalaith - Her actions yesterDay make me feel better about her, but I'm still not convinced. She thinks too much - and too naturally - like the EW and there's something wolfy in her as well.

Mormegil - Is playing in a rather disappointing way. I really hope he'd be more involved and reason his votes more, but I read his behaviour as a sign of ordoness. *sigh*

Celuien - Is a smart lady but distrubingly quiet. A real submarine and one of the few people I have absolutely no idea about. Please talk more, dear Celery.

Gwathagor - That vote of his was rather eyebrow-raising. He has, like so many other people, slipped under my radar and I find it hard to judge him. There's really no lack of evidence, it's more like that during the game he has said both very suspicious and very innocent-sounding things. One more person I should have a closer look at. Oh, and I didn't like the analysis he did yesterday, whatever it was about, I remember it contained all too few personal opinions.

McCaber - The ultimate submarine guy. I can understand that he may be busy, but I must admit his manner annoys me. He should talk more and reason both his votes and overall opinions more. He's almost participating so little that it would be unethical of the EW to curse him...


edit: xed with mormx2 & Rikae

[Rikae]

Lyncha-lyncha-lyncha-lynch me
I'm an obvious ba-aaad-dieee!
thrill me, kill me, fulfill me
I'm a CREATURE OF THE NIGHT!!!!!

cha cha cha

[McCaber]

I would like to apologize for my stupendous lack of content yesterday. I wasn't able to get online, which is a pity, as posting from underneath a tornado would have been awesome.

But I see yesterday was interesting enough.

So: as I see it, tp is either telling the truth and got unheroed for his troubles, or one of the wizards.

Rikae: evil, probably. I do enjoy the wolf avvie, though. Takes me back a few games.

[Brinniel]

Rikae: evil, probably.
Probably? Do you have a reason to doubt she's evil? :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

This is your friendly neighborhood evil wizard signing off. Good night, sleep tight, and don't let the hunters bite.

I will be back later with lynching instructions. Don't listen to me. Don't discuss my identity. ;)

[McCaber]

Probably? Do you have a reason to doubt she's evil? :rolleyes:

Alright then, Rikae = evil. Is that bold enough for you?

[Gwathagor]

Gwathagor - That vote of his was rather eyebrow-raising [...] Oh, and I didn't like the analysis he did yesterday, whatever it was about, I remember it contained all too few personal opinions.

The reason I voted for Rikae right off the bat was that yesterDay, as far as I was concerned, Rikae and Cailin were bad and we should lynch them both, one after the other. The GW would hardly scry over Rikae after she behaved like she did, and Rikae wouldn't be likely to pull a crazy stunt like pretending to be the GW if she was actually the EW. Rather, it's probable that she had orders from the EW to do what she did in order to try to flush out the GW. You will recall Cailin's reaction to Diamond18's "reveal" as the GW (which fooled me entirely:(): "We got the good wizard! We got the good wizard!" Evidently, that's what they were going for.

And regarding my analysis, Finnlomien, it was my first ever, and I'm sorry it wasn't up to your exacting standards.
:p

I'm pretty sure Rikae is trying to make us think she's the EW, so that we won't vote for her because you can't kill a wizard.

[Roa_Aoife]

We should obviously get away from discussing Rikae at the moment. She's obviously evil. I'm more inclined to think that she's wolf than the EW, but at the moment I can't say for sure. However, she's doing her best to distract us, admittedly in a fairly entertaining way. Is she bluffing that she's the EW? Or is she triple bluffing us? (That's my shtick, so back off, sis.)

I'd like some answers from the ever annoying phantom when he returns, though I really hate to even give him the time of day now, with him being so... haughty over it. I disagree, Legate. It is very possible that Wolf Rikae and EW phantom worked this all out to mess with us. It could very easily be a sinister plot, and I wouldn't put it past either of them. I'd like to see what his great instructions are.

I'm going to look at everyone else and see what I think of them. At least this way I can look at whoever phantom will be pointing us towards before he does so and form my own opinions. Then I'll see what I think of his "advice."

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm pretty sure Rikae is trying to make us think she's the EW, so that we won't vote for her because you can't kill a wizard.

I may be thinking in circles, but she could be counting on everyone assuming that.

Werewolf is a game where assumptions can kill you. Best avoid them and stick to what you can see. (ie. posts and voting)

[satansaloser2005]

Lyncha-lyncha-lyncha-lynch me
I'm an obvious ba-aaad-dieee!
thrill me, kill me, fulfill me
I'm a CREATURE OF THE NIGHT!!!!!

cha cha cha

Crack. Head.








Let me get a complete player list, and I'll give you an opinion on everybody.

P.S. Can y'all call me Sally? I really don't mind, but I skip right over it when I see it and end up doing a double take. They call me Silly Sally for a reason. Really up to all y'all. Off to post!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shastanis Althreduin--A bit too opinionated and not willing to listen to reason or at least give what the phantom says a shot. He seems to inclinced to distrust everybody


Would like to point out, Morm is putting words in my mouth - I never said I wasn't willing to "give what the phantom says a shot", I said I didn't like being ordered to. :rolleyes: In fact I plan to do just that, for the reason Lommy already said; not because Phantom said to, but because I was going to today anyway. :p

But it'll be later, as I'm getting on a Greyhound in precisely 15 minutes and will be on said Greyhound for 12 hours. Yay roadtrips.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Lyncha-lyncha-lyncha-lynch me
I'm an obvious ba-aaad-dieee!
thrill me, kill me, fulfill me
I'm a CREATURE OF THE NIGHT!!!!!

cha cha cha

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAAAAAAAAAAIN!!

[satansaloser2005]

Would like to point out, Morm is putting words in my mouth - I never said I wasn't willing to "give what the phantom says a shot", I said I didn't like being ordered to. :rolleyes: In fact I plan to do just that, for the reason Lommy already said; not because Phantom said to, but because I was going to today anyway. :p

But it'll be later, as I'm getting on a Greyhound in precisely 15 minutes and will be on said Greyhound for 12 hours. Yay roadtrips.


Not that it makes a difference, but all the people who were putting words into mouths so far were wolves. Well, words into MY mouth anyway. Meh....:rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Not that it makes a difference, but all the people who were putting words into mouths so far were wolves. Well, words into MY mouth anyway. Meh....:rolleyes:

Well, I'd have called morm a wolf, but that would be classified as listening to Rikae... :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Well, I'd have called morm a wolf, but that would be classified as listening to Rikae... :rolleyes:



Haha. True. Best not be doing that now, eh?

Oh, and have a safe trip Shasta! :)




Randomly, while the day's still relatively young. What are the odds I could get someone to text me the lynch at the end of the Day? I'll be doing a block party with my church and won't have internet pretty much all evening after I vote, as I have other engagements. Anyone? Not all at once now....

[Roa_Aoife]

This is the current post count:

Nogrod 23
Isabellkya 23
Volo 19
Macalaure 19
Nilpaurion Felagund 16
A Little Green 16
mormegil 15
Kath 11
THE Ka 11
Celuien 9
McCaber 9
Nerwen 7
Eönwë 6
Kitanna 3

As you can see there are some people who have been dead for some time who have more votes than some who are still alive. Volo was only able to post on Day one and he's beating quite a few of you. Also, the Mod should always have the fewest number of posts on a thread by Day 4. Of this group, Isabel and Nilp have received the least ammount of attention. I find this highly disturbing, so I'll be looking at them first, and moving down the list.

[Roa_Aoife]

Randomly, while the day's still relatively young. What are the odds I could get someone to text me the lynch at the end of the Day? I'll be doing a block party with my church and won't have internet pretty much all evening after I vote, as I have other engagements. Anyone? Not all at once now....

I'll be able to check about two hours past deadline if you'd like. If you can get the Nogrod's permission to PM me your number, and you live in the states, I'd be happy to oblige.

Now stop this chat and get back to gaming! :mad:;)

[satansaloser2005]

This is the current post count:

Nogrod 23
Isabellkya 23
Volo 19
Macalaure 19
Nilpaurion Felagund 16
A Little Green 16
mormegil 15
Kath 11
THE Ka 11
Celuien 9
McCaber 9
Nerwen 7
Eönwë 6
Kitanna 3

As you can see there are some people who have been dead for some time who have more votes than some who are still alive. Volo was only able to post on Day one and he's beating quite a few of you. Also, the Mod should always have the fewest number of posts on a thread by Day 4. Of this group, Isabel and Nilp have received the least ammount of attention. I find this highly disturbing, so I'll be looking at them first, and moving down the list.

I've had sort of the same idea. My summation of everyone is including their post count to date (though I'll have to remember to add one to yours)



Is it just me, or is Rikae having too much fun with this by the way? It bothers me....


EDIT: X'd with the second Roa. Fantastic!

[Gwathagor]

This is the current post count:

Nogrod 23
Isabellkya 23
Volo 19
Macalaure 19
Nilpaurion Felagund 16
A Little Green 16
mormegil 15
Kath 11
THE Ka 11
Celuien 9
McCaber 9
Nerwen 7
Eönwë 6
Kitanna 3



I'm afraid I don't understand this list of yours. Could you interpret it for me? Apologies.

[the phantom]

I'll leave who I want to lynch to my own judgement.
Not really the best idea at this time.
At least we should all wait for the phantom and see what he has to say. In my experience it is in our best interest to do so. He may have something very useful to say to us.
Thank you.
Blah blah blah...
Ignore her, people.

I'd bet my bank account that she is NOT a Werewolf. She's something else. I think you know what I mean.

[Gwathagor]

I hope you're wrong. Because if she is something else, I'm going to look very bad.

[the phantom]

And come on people, where are your lists?

It's not that hard.

Just list the living players (besides Rik and I) and say what you think of them. Even one word would do (eg "Werewolf" or "Ordo").

There's a reason for it.

Do you want the village to win or not?

I would absolutely love to tell you more and be nice and open and honest, but I CAN'T until enough of you have submitted lists. I'm under orders here, so don't go and blame me.

[satansaloser2005]

And come on people, where are your lists?

It's not that hard.

Just list the living players (besides Rik and I) and say what you think of them. Even one word would do (eg "Werewolf" or "Ordo").

There's a reason for it.

Do you want the village to win or not?

I would absolutely love to tell you more and be nice and open and honest, but I CAN'T until enough of you have submitted lists. I'm under orders here, so don't go and blame me.




Phantom, sweet cousin. Two things.


A: My list is about done. In fact it is, I just need to update your and Gwath's post counts now that you've posted.

B: EXPLAIN YOURSELF! I believe you're on the good team, and I believe you're trying to help, but stop the secrecy and tell us what you can. I understand if you can't tell us everything now, but at least give us a few pieces to go on. Please. I'm flipping begging you.

[satansaloser2005]

Gramma Greenie: Her sn is A Little Green. But is she a little wolf? I think it's possible, but I don't know yet. Yellow zone but there's almost no way I'd lynch her toDay. (16)

Grandpa Shasta: Never remembers to take his pills, but I think he's innocent. (63)

Great Aunt Izzy: Throws knives at random people. Never a good sign. And she's completely escaped my attention, and I never like that. (23)

Lommy Mommy: I can't shake the feeling that she's a wolf. Other than her behavior with the whole Phantom/Rikae/Di/Legate thing yesterday, she seems innocent, so I'm hoping it was just a flurry of confusion. Surprisingly, I would vote her, but only if she was against someone I thought extremely innocent. (64)

Nilp Daddy: Um, nothing. I have no idea. I'm leaning innocent, and yet I think that's a bad idea. I'll give him another day or two, but I really need to look at him closer. (16)

Eön, my big bro: He's never played before, and this is a tough game to start out on. So I can understand why he's so quiet. Problem is, that means I can't get a read on him. (6)

Sister Kath: Too quiet. Kath, please talk honey. I don't want to lynch my favorite (only, but that's not the point) sister. (11)

Sally (ME!): As my MSN name currently says, little old me, five foot three, geeky (and innocent) as one could ever be. (65)

Rikae: Flipping Evil Incarnate. Even changed her avvie accordingly. But in case she's the EW, let's not try to lynch her and waste it. Sounds like a job for.... (58)

Phantom!: I believe him. Period. Mostly because he's been so stinking right, Di supported him, Rikae's against him, etc, etc. If he's a wolf, I'll drive to Omaha and strangle him. ;) (133)

Lhuna: I don't know why, but she looks unshaven. Her posts are fine, she seems clean, but it's almost too perfect. I'm on the fence, but it's a furry fence. (27)

Dure: Leaning innocent, although I could switch depending on how the next couple days go. (38)

Roa: I don't like how much she was fighting with Phantom. It looks....wait a minute....okay withholding judgement on Roa for now. End of story. (63)

Brinn: Seems innocent enough, but I know from experience she's a tricky minx. I'm watching you, missy.... (56)

Legate: Honey, I love you, and you look....well, pretty good. *blows a kiss* You've made some potential slip-ups, but I've played with you when you were a wolf (if I remember correctly) and you were smooooth. So if you are an ordo, be careful not to be lynched. (If you're a wolf....well, let's just say that not only would we be through, but you wouldn't be having kids with me OR any wolfgirl you may have your eyes on.) For now, I still think you're innocent, especially after how Rikae's been going after you (could be a setup, but for now I'm going with it) so I'll trust you. But be careful, my darling. (59)

Lal: She was pretty quiet for a while, then popped up during the Wizard debate yesterDay and I didn't like what she said about it. No offense dearie, you just seemed to be a little too smooth about it. not smooth....bah I can't think what I think. (38)

Morm: My instincts on Morm are wrong. I don't care what they are, I'll be wrong. I think he's innocent, so he's probably a wolf. Don't ask. (15)

Cellie: I'm pretty sure she's innocent, although she could be a very slick wolf. (9)

Gwath: If he's a wolf for the third time in a row, I pity him. I think he's okay for now, but I've also not looked at him much. (36)

Cabbie: Still leaning evil. I wish he could convince me otherwise, but yeah. He's on my wolf list. (9)



So here's a thought. I put everyone's post count at the end of my impression of them, just to get a feel for how "active" people are being. (granted, some of the posts are useless, but it's a starter, especially if their count is super-low)

[mormegil]

This is the current post count:

Nogrod 23
Isabellkya 23
Volo 19
Macalaure 19
Nilpaurion Felagund 16
A Little Green 16
mormegil 15
Kath 11
THE Ka 11
Celuien 9
McCaber 9
Nerwen 7
Eönwë 6
Kitanna 3

As you can see there are some people who have been dead for some time who have more votes than some who are still alive. Volo was only able to post on Day one and he's beating quite a few of you. Also, the Mod should always have the fewest number of posts on a thread by Day 4. Of this group, Isabel and Nilp have received the least ammount of attention. I find this highly disturbing, so I'll be looking at them first, and moving down the list.

Honestly, in such a large game some of us need to be quiet.:rolleyes:. Can you imagine what would happen it we all posted like you and tp? :eek:

[satansaloser2005]

Honestly, in such a large game some of us need to be quiet.:rolleyes:. Can you imagine what would happen it we all posted like you and tp? :eek:


Haha yeah. But some people are TOO quiet. And I think that's what she's trying to point out Gwath. Some people are inexplicably quiet, and it's unsettling. Volo (the second Night kill) should NOT have more posts than a person who's still alive in the game. I'm hoping there's an explanation, because otherwise I'm really uneasy about the silent-ish people.

[Roa_Aoife]

And come on people, where are your lists?

It's not that hard.

Just list the living players (besides Rik and I) and say what you think of them. Even one word would do (eg "Werewolf" or "Ordo").

There's a reason for it.

Do you want the village to win or not?

I would absolutely love to tell you more and be nice and open and honest, but I CAN'T until enough of you have submitted lists. I'm under orders here, so don't go and blame me.

>P I'm analyzing. I hate making lists. In fact I never do. At most I list the top three most suspicious people to me. And there is no WAY I'm screening back through 27 pages to figure it out.

And besides, if we start listing people we think are innocent or we're unsure of, the EW will be sure to lick from those people. Only we won't know which ones. So I'm not doing it. You make a list. I'll be doing something more productive.

Edit: "pick" not "lick"... *giggles at the thought of the EW licking people....*

[mormegil]

Haha yeah. But some people are TOO quiet. And I think that's what she's trying to point out Gwath. Some people are inexplicably quiet, and it's unsettling. Volo (the second Night kill) should NOT have more posts than a person who's still alive in the game. I'm hoping there's an explanation, because otherwise I'm really uneasy about the silent-ish people.

How about those that post meaningless nonsense and banter. I saw more than enough of that to suit me. In fact I think there was one whole page dedicated to it...remember people triple posting and the third post was simply to say they triple posted.

Anyway, overall Lal, Lommy and Shasta are my top suspects (excluding Rikae, but I think I know where tp may be going with this.)

[satansaloser2005]

How about those that post meaningless nonsense and banter. I saw more than enough of that to suit me. In fact I think there was one whole page dedicated to it...remember people triple posting and the third post was simply to say they triple posted.

Anyway, overall Lal, Lommy and Shasta are my top suspects (excluding Rikae, but I think I know where tp may be going with this.)



I don't mind that nearly as much as not posting at all. As long as you post sense too, I'm not going to complain a ton about being silly. After all, we placed ourselves in families so we could have fun with other people in the game, i.e. fun posting.


Blast, Phantom, where ARE you? *is losing her mind*



P.S. Why, Morm?

[mormegil]

And besides, if we start listing people we think are innocent or we're unsure of, the EW will be sure to lick from those people. Only we won't know which ones. So I'm not doing it. You make a list. I'll be doing something more productive.

Yes but we must say who we suspect and by simply process of elimination any EW with any sense could figure out those who are not suspected. I don't see how this could overly benefit the EW but it could be a detriment to the baddies so why are you so resistent to it?

[Gwathagor]

This is a vibe-based list.
1 is most innocent, 10 is most guilty

A Little Green - 3
Shastanis Althreduin - 7
Isabellkya - 5
Thinlómien - 6
Nilpaurion Felagund - 3
Eönwë - 2
Kath - 4
Satansaloser 2005 - 3
Lhunardawen - 3
Durelin - 4
Roa_Aoife - 5
Legate of Amon Lanc - 6
Lalaith - 5
Mormegil - 7
Celuien - 2
Gwathagor - 4
McCaber - 6

This is an imperfect list, as I can't remember much about some people. Maybe I'll post "Vibe-List, The Revenge of" later or something after reading back through with a shrewd and analytical eye.

[the phantom]

Cool list, Gwath. I don't think I've ever seen a numerical guilt scale.

[Brinniel]

A Little Green - 3
Shastanis Althreduin - 7
Isabellkya - 5
Thinlómien - 6
Nilpaurion Felagund - 3
Eönwë - 2
Kath - 4
Satansaloser 2005 - 3
Lhunardawen - 3
Durelin - 4
Roa_Aoife - 5
Legate of Amon Lanc - 6
Lalaith - 5
Mormegil - 7
Celuien - 2
Gwathagor - 4
McCaber - 6
I've been excluded from said list. How insulting. *pouts*

[the phantom]

Part of the reason why I want lists from everyone is so people are forced to say what they think. Meaning they can't sit quiet in the background and give no clear opinions and just slip by, submarine fashion.

People should either tell the truth or be forced to bluff and lie. It's ridiculous that someone should be able to get through a game without having to say much of anything at all.

[satansaloser2005]

÷÷Phantom



Sorry, I'm frustrated and kind of tired. AND I wanted to see if I could figure out how to post that symbol on my American keyboard.



EDIT: Dang. Downs hiccuped or something, so now I'm x'd with Brinn and Phantom. And don't worry Phantom. I dont' really want to kill you. Slap you, yes. Kill you, no.

[Brinniel]

And come on people, where are your lists?

It's not that hard.

Just list the living players (besides Rik and I) and say what you think of them. Even one word would do (eg "Werewolf" or "Ordo").
Heh, I'm tempted to pull a Lommy and rebel. :p

But I won't. I want to make a summary of everyone...mainly because anything, I need it for myself.

Btw, I just got away from reading an old WW game, which was the biggest mistake of my life. Seriously, I recommend that no one should ever be allowed to read old WW games while playing a current one. Now my opinions are totally skewed... :rolleyes:

I need to take a few hours off and erase the last hour or so from my brain. But some more tangible thoughts from me will be coming later, I promise.

[the phantom]

Slap you, yes. Kill you, no.
Give it time.

You'll want to kill me eventually. :D

By the way, there's one list in particular that I want to see. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Give it time.

You'll want to kill me eventually. :D

By the way, there's one list in particular that I want to see. ;)




GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[satansaloser2005]

Ummmm, Di is on IM and pointed out to me that my fake Phantom vote looks like a real one. Let me assure you, it's division signs, not plus signs. Just so it's clear to everyone, just in case and all that. Thanks for letting me know, Di. *waves* :)

[Roa_Aoife]

Part of the reason why I want lists from everyone is so people are forced to say what they think. Meaning they can't sit quiet in the background and give no clear opinions and just slip by, submarine fashion.


Because I always sit quietly and slide by with out sharing my opinion... :rolleyes:

My Nilp analysis is almost done, and then I'll be moving on to Isabel. I prefer a better use of my time.

[the phantom]

Yeah, about those fake division sign votes- really making it easy on our mod, aren't we?

[Roa_Aoife]

Also I don't like being told what to do. :p

[the phantom]

Because I always sit quietly and slide by with out sharing my opinion...:rolleyes:
Heh heh. Yeah, I didn't really have you in mind when I said that.

[the phantom]

Also I don't like being told what to do.
Well, how about if I ask?

Will everyone please make a list?
:)

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, about those fake division sign votes- really making it easy on our mod, aren't we?

Hehe. Noggie, I'm sorry about your bald spot. So, so very sorry. *gives Noggie a hug and makes him stop pulling out his hair over our pseudovotes*



Phantom, I'd SO like to ask you a question right now. But if I'm right and I say it, it gives the EW way too much information, so I'll just have to stay in the dark. :(

[satansaloser2005]

Well, how about if I ask?

Will everyone please make a list?
:)




Well, you didn't comment on mine, so I'm not talking to you anymore. ;)

And I even included you in it. :(

[the phantom]

Sorry, Sally, but I don't want to really "comment" on the lists at this time.
If he's a wolf, I'll drive to Omaha and strangle him.
Oh great- yet another person for my security staff to have to look out for.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, Sally, but I don't want to really "comment" on the lists at this time.

Oh great- yet another person for my security staff to have to look out for.

Okay. Can you do this for me? Make your own list. Just a general "These are wolvish, these aren't". I don't want you to give the wizard away, but I need to get SOMETHING from you besides "Do what I say, but I'm not telling you what I think." Please, Phantom.


And I'll just bring the duck with me if necessary. *pang of duck withdrawal hehe* We're stealth, we is. ;)

[the phantom]

Okay, here's the deal. The GW and EW still have another Night of activity left, and I can't afford to give the EW an accurate picture of what I know. I mean, if I say who to suspect and who not to suspect, the EW and the WWs will suddenly know precisely who to kill and who to scry.

I will tell you some hard true information, but not until later today.

[Roa_Aoife]

Nilp Analysis

Day 1- forgot to show. *snickers*

Nilp was probably not a wolf on Day 1, since he probably wouldn't have missed it. I also doubt that he is a wizard.


Day 2
Post 1 - Clarifies that there was no night activity, so we can't point out anything from Volo's posts.

Post 2 - Admits that there are a lot of voting lists already, but he wants to make his own. States that we don't know if the wolves know each other already. Poses the possibility that they do, because it would make them more effective by Day. Thinks that perhaps those that state the wolves don't know each other are wolves themselves. He decides to focus on the votes of the dead, and on bandwagons.

His conclusions: 1. The phantom bandwagon is unsuspcious as phantom was acting suspicious. However, Eonwe's vote seems out of place here. 2. The Nerwen bandwagon was started by Cailin, but Cailin herself seemed unsuspicious in her vote. The others (McCaber and Di) seemed more suspicious. 3. Finds the Agan bandwagon to be the least suspicious.

In this post, he restates a lot of things that have already been discussed, and seems to dismiss the idea that the wolves don't know each other, even going so far as to suggest that those who think so are wolves themselves. Certainly that shouldn't be ruled out (you can't trust anyone in this game unless you know for certain who they are) but niether should the opposite. His conclusions on the bandwagons are fairly non-committal, but he was really, really wrong about the Nerwen bandwagon.

Post 3 - apologizes for clicking the wrong button? (I'm not sure what he's refering to...)

Post 4 - Banter with Gwath

Post 5 - reports fixing his previous mistake

Post 6 - I've been thinking about the NIGHT's kill, and I came up with this notion: The Dark Side fears killing the Hunter above all.

Think about it: they have four Wolves now (=2 kills/NIGHT), and with the absence of double lynching, we could kill only a maximum of one Wolf per DAY. So, even if we get one lupine pelt today, with a successful EW-scry, they would still have 2 kills.

Therefore, the only thing they fear is a kill beyond the DAY's lynching. That only means the Hunter.

So I've looked at the posts of the NIGHT's victim, checked whom they suspected, decided that they are probably innocent.

Here are the people he crosses off:

So morm, Agan, and Legate are probably innocent. (Or they are controlled by a very bold EW--or perhaps even one of them is! But I'll stick with what I said first.) Greenie, Sally-poo, and tp are less so. (emphasis mine)

Reiterates the idea that the wolves probably know each other now.

This is erroneous information. The hunter isn't the only one who can take down the wolf numbers at Night. The GW can scry them to get rid of them. And you can't rule people out because they were suspected by the people that were killed. Wolves have killed the people that suspect them before in a double bluff to make people think that it's not them. (For heaven's sake, I do it almost every time I'm a wolf!) This post sets off alarm bells. Also, we can't assume that the wolves know each other yet- that's very dangerous thinking and can get innocent people lynched for a supposed connection that doesn't even exist.

Post 7 - Still thinks that the wolves will avoid killing anyone who suspects them because they fear the hunter. Has convinced himself that the wolves do talk to each other. Looks at the bandwagoners and orders them from least suspicious to most suspicious:
1. Agan - Thinks that if Agan is evil, Kath and Lhuna are innocent
2. Cailin - had a very valid reason for voting
3. Durelin - had continual suspicion towards Nerwen
4. Lal - did express some suspicion
5. Diamond - voted to keep phantom around
6. McCaber - very shifty reasoning
VOTES MCCABER

The fact that two known wolves were the lowest on his list and that the now known seer was second highest is rather concerning. I still don't think it's a good idea for him to assume that the wolves are talking to each other just yet.


Day 3

Post 1 - Explains Agan's vote for Nerwen as being afraid of getting lynched by the remaining voters. Rules out tp and himself (why himself?) and believes that Lhuna and Kath were innocent on Day 1. (He basis this off the idea that the wolves know each other, which may or may not be true. So his assumption about Kath and Lhuna is not only flawed, but dangerous.)

Post 2 - Thinks Rikae is jumpy and perhaps sinister.

This is the first right call he's made so far. I'm not sure what to make of it. If he's a wolf, he may be trying to distance himself. Or he may not know who his fellows are. (Perhaps he kept insisting that the wolves knew each other in order to draw us away from the fact that they don't.) If he's innocent, well, 3rd Day's the charm?

Post 3 - Decides to look at the band wagons again. "I'll sniff at the Mac bandwaggon first. Akamaru! Rarf!"

A bold hint?

Post 4 - Mac Bandwagon:
Lhuna has evidence
Kath - no conclusion
Di- voted for personal reasons

I'm not certain exactly what his suspicions are here, since he doesn't clearly lay them out. He suggests we look at Sally's post #615 to get what he thinks about Diamond, but that post is about Gwath....

Post 5 - Joking post about self-voting

Post 6 - Lhuna posting in Nilp's name. Banter

Post 7 - Nilp again. Banter

Post 8 - Thinks Rikae is acting weird again, compares her to Valier in last DW.

Now that's just plain odd. In the last village, the very innocent Valier pegged me solid as the EW. I then turned her into a wolf to discredit her opinion of me. So I wonder what exactly Nilp is trying to suggest here.

Post 9 - Votes Rikae. This the first votes for her and apparently the original suspicion towards her before her reveal. I hadn't seen much odd in Rikae that Day (though I was admittedly pretty sick that Day), and he says he doesn't need to do an analysis because her guilt is really obvious. Which it obviously isn't, because Rikae didn't have that much suspicion on her. This is apparently what prompted the "reveal". Nilp's suspicion here seems forced, somehow.

Day 4 - Nothing yet

Overall, he posts a lot of fluff, some erroneous information and conclusions, and the only thing he's gotten right so far is Rikae, which he somehow managed before all of us. If it was planned for Rikae to reveal as the GW, he may have been trying to give her an excuse. I definitely find him suspicious, and I'm a little cnofused by all these people that find him "reasonable."

[mormegil]

Also I don't like being told what to do. :p

Just dot it!!!:p

Sally, just calm down a bit...things will be clear soon, I suspect. Go to sleep then wake up and you will be surpirsed what tp may have for us.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, here's the deal. The GW and EW still have another Night of activity left, and I can't afford to give the EW an accurate picture of what I know. I mean, if I say who to suspect and who not to suspect, the EW and the WWs will suddenly know precisely who to kill and who to scry.

I will tell you some hard true information, but not until later today.

Frankly, I don't think the time of day matters. As long as it's toDay, the Night situation will be the same.



Roa, thanks for the Nilp post by the way. You've made my re-look at him a bit easier, although obviously if I have time I'll have to look at his posts in detail myself.



EDIT: Oh, x'd with Morm btw.

[the phantom]

Where are Nilp and Lhuna? Aren't they usually around at this time?

[satansaloser2005]

Just dot it!!!:p

Sally, just calm down a bit...things will be clear soon, I suspect. Go to sleep then wake up and you will be surpirsed what tp may have for us.

I'm not particularly mad actually, just starting to wonder if I'm (we're) being played.



Hmmmmm. Morm, your post intrigues me. I think I'm going to look at you and see if your posts spell out anything to me.

[Roa_Aoife]

Just dot it!!!:p


I'm analyzing, which is way more helpful. :p

But fine, here's what I think of everyone.

I don't trust anyone in werewolf ever, as a rule, unless I'm a wolf or a gifted. I think everyone is mildly suspicious, and some more than others. I don't accept statements or reveals at face value. And I don't make assumptions about anyone.

I don't feel that anyone is innocent, because the second I do, I could be turning my attention away from a wolf. The non-posters, including yourself, make me very nervous, because I have a hard time noticing until late in the game. So, take that post count, exclude the dead and Nog-Mod, add Rikae and phantom, and you have a list of the people that concern me the most at this time.

Happy now?

[satansaloser2005]

Well, if there's no new posts by 1am (my time) I'm leaving. I'm on a friend's couch and I have to be at work before 8am. Need some sleep.



Phantom. Can you post whatever you need to post by noon? I get lunch then and I'd really like to read your insight before I vote; that break would be a perfect time to (sort of) catch up. If nothing else, post well before 4 if possible, so I can figure out what the expletive is going on here. Sorry, I know I'm being slightly codependent, but I don't like the way this is going and if you know something and are being honest, I'd like to be in on it, you know? :)



*waits for posts for another twenty minutes or so*

[the phantom]

I'll post what you need to know in about eight hours, Sally.

I'd like to see lists from people in the meantime. Particularly people who haven't talked much this game.

[satansaloser2005]

I'll post what you need to know in about eight hours, Sally.

I'd like to see lists from people in the meantime. Particularly people who haven't talked much this game.

Curse you, Phantom. Curse you.... :p

*is a little neurotic because of the busy week ahead*


Well, as long as you don't think I'M a wolf....wait a sec. You don't, do you?:eek:




EDIT/ADDITION: See what happens when no one else posts? Sally gets bored and entertains herself. All right, off to bed soon. Good night everyone! Sleep/work/whatever you're doing in the next few hours well! :)

[the phantom]

Well, as long as you don't think I'M a wolf....wait a sec. You don't, do you?:eek:
The Seer dreamed of you last night.

So you tell me what I think.

[satansaloser2005]

The Seer dreamed of you last night.

So you tell me what I think.



You bloody lie....we don't have a seer....Di's dead....



Now you're just screwing with me. I'm going to bed.



P.S. I was totally kidding, by the way. Little did I expect an "actual" answer. Meh. *flops*

[the phantom]

Yes, the Seer is dead.

But she still had her dream last night.

Read the rules.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, the Seer is dead.

But she still had her dream last night.

Read the rules.


True. But I still think you're screwing with me. And if not, you just got me killed. I'd rather be a questioned innocent than a known corpse, thank you very much. *applies for the witness protection program*


And for those of you who'll complain about my lack of post content in the morning, look what I had to work with? :p

[the phantom]

Yeah, I'm screwing with you.

Just wanted to see your reaction. I'm bored too.

But it's sleepy time for me. I'll post something in the morning before I go to work.

Something important.

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, I'm screwing with you.

Just wanted to see your reaction. I'm bored too.

But it's sleepy time for me. I'll post something in the morning before I go to work.

Something important.




Good. Give me something to work with in the morning, well, afternoon.

And thanks for the conniption fit. It was quite enjoyable. ;)




Night, Phantom! (And everyone else too of course!)


~~Sally~~

[Roa_Aoife]

Izzie Analysis

Day 1

Post 1 - Suggests Multitasking and hunting for both the EW and the wolves. Doesn't believe the GW or the EW would reveal to their teams.

Quiet post just chiming in on the current debates. Not terribly suspicious for a first post.

Post 2 - Thinks it may be possible to protect a wolf turned ordo and get information. Doesn't see a reason why usual wolf hunting methods won't work. Says the wizards are likely going to be people with out a lot of time contraints, etc., but we can't rule out anyone 100%.

Post 3 - Finds phantom cowardly, sheepish, and fatalistic. Suggests he should be actively hunting for wolves instead of insisting we're all doomed.

*snicker* Okay, besides that oh so satisfying content, I notice that she doesn't actively hunt herself, either.

Post 4 - Votes Roa

Where did that come from? Especially since I'd been saying everything she'd said, only louder and first.

Post 5 - question about deadline

Post 6 - was confused about time, surprised at size of village.

Not a lot of content from her, especially in way of suspicions.Her vote for me kind of came out of left field.


Day 2

Post 1 - Finds the page of silliness is suspicious, doesn't think speculating on who Volo dreamed of the previous Night will be useful since we can't know for sure, points out that we will be going into a large number of wolves soon. Doesn't see the need for all the vote tallies being posted, since they don't change.

Again, her first post is pretty straightforward. She doesn't say anything that isn't true.

Post 2 - finds phantom suspicious. Doesn't buy his reasoning for not voting and explains why

I think I found my shadow... I didn't realize that anyone else thought the same way I did, which concerns me a little. She slips so well under-the radar...

Post 3 - Still doesn't think phantom had a good reason for withholding his vote.

Post 4 - Response to phantom: "Does beautifully = truthfully without hidden agendas?"

Post 5 - Explains that previous vote was almost random. Thinks both phantom and Roa are suspicious. Says Brin can't use what Volo did to weigh her opinions too heavily because he likely didn't know much yet.

She never did explain her suspicion of me. For phantom it seems quite clear, and she says all the same things I did.

Post 6 - Says she's always "submarine like," says she'll post more if/when she has time. Leaning towards voting phantom or Roa.

Still doesn't explain why she thinks I'm suspicious.

Post 7 - Vote Roa.

No, seriously, where is that coming from. All of her suspicion is pointed towards phantom, except for one or two posts that say she doesn't trust me but doesn't give a reason, where as she gives lots of reasons for not trusting phantom, and yet she votes me with out explanation.

Post 8 - says her vote may be throw away, but she wants to vote for someone she's looked at, not someone she hasn't.

When exactly did she look at me?

Day 3

Post 1 - doesn't believe there are any ex-wolves because the numbers don't support it.

Post 2 - Curious about Cailin's behavior at deadline

Mentions suspicious behavior with out saying that it's suspicious.

Post 3 - Says "she" could have easily posted what she did to keep us analyzing it and wasting time.

I assume the she is Agan?

Post 4 - Asks Gwath why he analyzed Cailin

Post 5 - Considers voting for Diamond for too much joking around; Thinks Lommy and Agan may have been baddies together; Wants to look more closely at Lal; POints out that Greenie has been less active than her; wouldn't mind voting for Cailin either

At least here she gives some reasoning. Though she suspected the seer, everyone does that at one point or another.

Post 6 - Says she could vote phantom, VOTES DI

She's been saying phantom was suspicious since Day 1, and yet never votes for him. Does anyone else find that odd? Because I really do.

Post 7 - Comment on all the reveals, thinks Di said that phantom was a wolf

Post 8 - Agrees with Brin about Cailin

Day 4

Post 1 - Thinks that the EW scried either the GW or a gifted. Thinks phantom slipped and let everyone know that Di was not the true GW, and offers to point it out. Thinks that phantom must have been scried and is no longer a gifted.

This post is fairly erroneous. She doesn't account for the Ranger, and simply assumes that the other of our two gifted was scried, when we can't know that at all.

Conclusion: She says somethings that are sensical and does some things that aren't. Actions speak louder than words,even on a discussion board. She's definitely and odd one, and I would like to hear why she voted me twice with out any explanation.

[Lalaith]

I've got to go to work so I've no time to do my list of people now. If its still needed when I get back later (around 5pm) I'll happily provide it then.

I will say this though, I still feel really uncomfortable about Lommy from yesterday.

[Isabellkya]

*I'm here post*

This post is fairly erroneous. She doesn't account for the Ranger, and simply assumes that the other of our two gifted was scried, when we can't know that at all.


I'll just respond to this now, and the other stuff can wait for my next post.

There was only one wolf kill last night.
One kill = less than four wolves.
Two kills = 4+ wolves.

Going into Night 4 we had a Seer and a Hunter, in terms of gifteds.
since Mac our Ranger was killed Night 3, a new one could not of been scried until last Night (Night 4.)
Since there was only one kill last night, logically it means that the EW did not scry a new wolf to their team. Rather, they scried either the GW or the Hunter. Since they chose to kill the Seer, they obviously did not scry her.
If they had scried the new Ranger, we would've known about it. Both wizards scrying the same person during the night = death from too much magic. Which leaves the Hunter and GW. Why choose a shot in the dark with trying to scry the GW whom they may not know, when they have a supposed hunter out in plain view?

[Eönwë]

A few quick things.

1) Don't vote yet. I have special lynching instructions that will be given to you later on today.

2) Completely ignore anything Rikae says.

3) Make a list of every villager and give your thoughts on them. The GW wishes to see everyone express opinions on everyone else.

That's all for now. I have to leave for a while but I'll be back with some more later tonight.

Don't speculate as to why there was only one kill.

And don't believe Rikae if she decides to tell you.

I will tell you myself- but later on today. There will be some good news and some bad news.

But don't worry about that now. For now, just give your opinions on everyone.

(except Rikae and I, that is)

Okay- really going now. Later.

Stop giving orders!

[Brinniel]

Going into Night 4 we had a Seer and a Hunter, in terms of gifteds.
since Mac our Ranger was killed Night 3, a new one could not of been scried until last Night (Night 4.)
Since there was only one kill last night, logically it means that the EW did not scry a new wolf to their team. Rather, they scried either the GW or the Hunter. Since they chose to kill the Seer, they obviously did not scry her.
If they had scried the new Ranger, we would've known about it. Both wizards scrying the same person during the night = death from too much magic. Which leaves the Hunter and GW. Why choose a shot in the dark with trying to scry the GW whom they may not know, when they have a supposed hunter out in plain view?
Ehm Izzy, you're forgetting that it could also go the other way around.

Another reason there may be only three wolves could be because either the GW scryed a gifted or the EW. Also, even though the ranger would've been scryed only last Night (if we have one), they can still use that gift the same Night. Though I do doubt the ranger successfully protected...I think it would've been mentioned in the narration.

[Isabellkya]

Got sidetracked...

Of course, there is also the fact that there was only one kill last night, which means that the EW did NOT scry another wolf. Either the EW scried the hunter, and the hunter is now an ordo among us, or the the EW scried the GW, in which case we may expect a challenge soon, but not necessarily. Especially if the evil team is down so low.


Roa in response to my post #997 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=558612&postcount=997) : This post is fairly erroneous. She doesn't account for the Ranger, and simply assumes that the other of our two gifted was scried, when we can't know that at all.

Oh really. If my post was erroneous, then I believe yours is as well.


Brin, I'd completely forgotten about that, though I would like to hope that we have a new Ranger.

[A Little Green]

Okay, I'll post a little before I'm off, I'll be back not quite soon but very well before the deadline anyway.

Firstly, phantom: Did it ever occur to you that some players (not me, but some others) might not be here anymore in eight hours? I think this "I'll tell you when it suits me" business is getting really annoying. (You're not some exceptionally important person - even if you aren't bluffing, you're a hunter, not the GW...)

Secondly, I'll probably make a list as well, not for tp but for myself and the whole village. Not sure whether I'll have time to do it before I leave. If not, expect it in... ummm... eight hours? :p

Sorry to be a bit cross - it's just that the leaderly attitude is getting on my nerves. :D

One more thing I'll do when I'm back (with the condition that you don't post too many pages for me to read while I'm away :rolleyes: ): I'll check at yesterDay's reveal mess. I think the most suspicious people there are not those who are not ready to trust phantom right away but those who do not question anything and just silently go with the flow. There were those, I'm quite sure, but I don't know just who they were.

[Lhunardawen]

Checking in, and catching up. Wah.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Checking in, and catching up. Wah.

The same. Actually, I am not very sure about my performance toDay. I will probably have to vote early, not stay here until the DL, and even my posting will be probably very brief. I may as well just post as short and simple list, a "ladder" of my opinions on people and that would be it.

Later...

[Brinniel]

So begins my summarising of the long list of players. Mind you, I'm only looking through posts from yesterDay and toDay (and that's a task in itself) since at least one ordo has become a wolf since Day 2. Though I will take some of my previous thoughts of others and their behaviour into account...just not entirely.

Greenie: Still seems very, if even more genuine. I think it's most probable that she is innocent. However, I would like to see her post even more (though maybe it's because Lommy hogs the computer ;) ).

Shasta: I was surprised by the post count of Shasta...right now it's to 63. Now, about half of those posts are banter and not of any substance, but he does make a lot of useful posts as well. What worries me is that I know he does not typically post this often...looking at previous games he's posted nowhere near 63 ever...especially not by Day 4. So I can't help but wonder what it could possibly mean that he's so much more involved than normal..

Izzy: I'm feeling a bit better about her. She doesn't write as much content as I would like, but none of the stuff screams guilty. And while a couple of her posts were erroneous, those errors (like forgetting that the GW can scry wolves and the EW) seem more like mistakes from an ordo.

Lommy: Umm...I don't want to flood this post with tons of quotes, but there are tons of her's that stick out to be. I want to make a more detailed analysis of her later. Let's just say for now it's not looking good...

Nilp: Still needs to post more. I still have no idea. While nothing about him is immediately suspicious, I still want to keep an eye on him. I just don't want him to slip under the radar.

Eonwe: Really needs to post more (and vote), and something of substance. That said, even though he's a newbie I still think he'd be posting more and actually voting were he a wolf.

Kath: My love, you are slipping under the radar. Please post more. Nothing about you seems terribly suspicious, but I don't like that you're so quiet.

Sally: She was acting her silly self before, and so far nothing seems to have changed about her behaviour. I still think she's innocent.

Rikae: So obviously evil. But wolf or EW? Hmmm....

phantom: Part of me wants to believe him, but the other half screams "No, don't trust him!" There's a good chance he's telling the truth in all of this and really is a servant of the GW. But what a clever scheme it would be if he were evil and our seer not realising it, decided to trust him.

Lhuna: Well, her posts do look more innocentish than guilty to me...but remembering how quickly I once disgarded a Lhuna-wolf as innocent, I don't want to so quickly drop her in the innocent pile.

Durelin: Seems sensible enough. Though she didn't post much yesterDay and not at all yet toDay. But I don't see anything suspicious about her.

Roa: The problem I have with Roa is that she was the first one to quickly believe Rikae in her claims as the GW. She backs away to "if" later on, but still openly defends her. That makes me nervous, as I can't understand how she (or anyone else) could've seen truth in that claim...it just seemed faulty to me. But would a wolf (or EW) be so bold? Typically I'd say no, but Roa's known to be bold...

Legate: Confuses me. Nothing in his posts scream guilty, but honestly can't tell which side he's on.

Lalaith: Was much more active yesterDay. Her theories were interesting ones, even with flaws...don't see how Lommy thinks she could be the EW. She looks pretty innocent to me.

morm: Not much to say about him, but I'm glad to see he's posting a bit more toDay. Still looks pretty innocent.

Celuien: Where are you? Seriously, she has totally slipped under my radar, which is dangerous. Looking through yesterDay's posts, I noticed she flip flops some...but other than that, I can't really grasp an opinion on her.

Gwath: His vote for Rikae was too hasty for my liking, but I'm pretty sure that's the mistake of an ordo. And how easily the wolves could set him up for a lynching because he was "too hasty." Otherwise, he seems sensible to me and probably innocent.

McCaber: He knows he is a "submarine," but still won't post much at all. And his few posts don't have much content. I don't like it at all. Please post more!

*phew* Now onto my post about Lommy...

[Brinniel]

Just some things that caught my eye:

First off, her arguments against Aganzir. I wanted to look at it yesterDay, but I'm doing it now. While she's clearly suspecting Aganzir, she is hesitant to actually vote her. Her arguments become very intense...yet she does not want to take the blame if Aganzir is innocent. I don't know...something just seems wrong here. If Lommy's evil, it could've been A) a fight between two wolves who didn't know each other B) a fight between wolves who did know each other C) a planned fight between a wolf and the EW.

Now a few quotes:

What!?!!!?

I'm back and I'm baffled.

My initial reaction was that Rikae's revelation does not look credible, but also Legate's reaction to it was rather wolvish. So I'm rather mystified.

(Hmmm... It just occured to me that Rikae might be a very bold ordo trying to flush out Legate, but that would be quite silly as she'd cause more harm than anything good.)

There's something honest in Rikae's tone and her being the GW kind of fits well with Mac being the ranger and her being so dismayed at his death. On the other hand, like so many people have said this far, there was little reason for her to reveal. If there had been a reason, she'd surely have revealed earlier and explained it, if she really was the GW. That hastiness and confusingness combined with her rather weird behaviour earlier toDay makes me think she might very well be a wolf causing confusion.

Or then she's just frustrated with all of us for getting Mac killed, does not want to play anymore and is seriously overreacting. But I think she's more calms or sensible than that.

All in all, I'm confused.
Is it just me or does Lommy's reaction to Rikae's reveal seem well...fake? It just doesn't seem like an authentic reaction...

I'm not trusting tp, but I'm not claiming he's faking
A wolfish statement, if I ever saw one. :rolleyes:

Rikae's return kind of ruined everything. Her tone seems quite honest... yet lynching her might still be the best choice....
Another wolfish comment. She's wavering...

But the question remains, why to lynch Cailín and not Rikae if they're both wolves?
I replied to her about this, but I had thought that surely anyone would see the reason why. Because Di knew Cailin was a wolf, but Rikae could be the EW.

Just one kill = three wolves. Three wolves = EW scried a gifted or the GW. I'm not sure if it's worse or better than an extra kill...
Gah! She's not the only one making this mistake as I pointed out. But why is everyone forgetting that it could go the other way around? :confused:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I hope I didn't miss anybody.
Me, at least.

And come on people, where are your lists?

It's not that hard.

Just list the living players (besides Rik and I) and say what you think of them. Even one word would do (eg "Werewolf" or "Ordo").
If this is so, my list could suffice to you, because I really am not in the situation, nor have the time, to elaborate in much depths. But I also at least formed myself a complete list of players all at once. Here it goes:

More or less the ladder is made from the most innocent-looking to the most suspicious, even in the order inside the separate zones (green zone: innocentish; yellow zone: some ordinary fella with whom I don't feel anything bad, but also I am not just as ready to use the word "innocent" for him; orange zone: wary of; red zone: very bad). Even as I wrote it, I rearranged it on several places (switched positions), so there are sometimes mentioned things which are in the text later (but there's a link to them).

GREEN ZONE:

the phantom - I am gonna believe him. If he was sinister, he would have been stopped. That's about it.

Lalaith - especially after yesterDay, my views on her are very positive. Inclined to think innocent.

Nilpaurion Felagund - feels good, just overall. It's true maybe there is not that much from him to judge that well, but as far as I can tell, nothing particularly suspicious strikes me about him. It is worth mentioning, though, that I haven't played with him this far (so I think), so I may be off-track.

YELLOW ZONE:

Satansaloser 2005 - my love is of course innocent. No, no, not necessarily, but I think overall she is fine; I could as well put her into the green zone.

Brinniel - seems okay, rational, or definitely seemed so at the beginning (cf. my analysis on, what it was, Day 2 - it was after I did the analysis, not before...); I think in her case, her skepticism, when there is any, is honest. And now, especially after I saw the latter posts of her, my feelings on her are pretty good.

Durelin - she seemed quite well and reasonable this far, also, as I said, she would seem more chaotic evil if she were so.

Gwathagor - something like Shasta (see below), although not so horribly misguided-looking, just Gwathagorish. Overall, I think he's more reasonable and actually may be pretty innocent.

Shastanis Althreduin - I feel rather good about him, although from some of his opinions or ideas I get the feeling that he is a horribly misguided ordo (like for example yesterDay, and even toDay, wondering about Rikae, wondering about me, about phantom...). But as you see: Yellow zone.

A Little Green - she could be either way, and I know she would be capable of disguising herself well, being a Wolf, however, I have nothing to base suspicion for her on at the time.

Isabellkya - I remember at least in the beginning there used to be good points from her, and even now, her style seems more like innocentish. The only reason why I am putting her in the yellow zone, and so deep, and not in the green zone is gut feeling. But that's about it and it may be ignored - in that case, green zone.

Celuien - Such a. Person. (cf. below the orange zone people) I have better idea about her than about those below, at least more than Kath, of whom I really have NO idea at all. Overall my feelings on her are quite mixed.

ORANGE ZONE:

Mormegil - he would be better, if it were only for some helpfulness or trying to help he presents. But. The way he acts, seldom appearing, with some sort of aggressiv-ish tone in his posts makes me worried about him. However, heck, I should say here too that his later posts, if I try to imagine him as innocent, do not seem that bad and could rather make me think better about him. But, what I wrote, I wrote. This is the way it is now.

(I see the rest of this zone is formed out of people who are totally submerged submarines. This is probably the best place to put them.)

Eönwë - such a person exists? Though I remember him saying some things, which unnerved me a bit...

McCaber - I know such a person exists, but 0+0=0

Kath - such a person....?!?!???

RED ZONE:

Lhunardawen - something seems wrong with her. Her posts, it seems like she's hiding something, or hiding from something, or whatever. Also I don't recall exactly what now, but her stances towards some problems just made me worried. But still, she is on the border, almost in the orange zone, but I wanted to underline the difference.

Roa_Aoife - eee, don't like Mommy at all. I know she tries to bring things, questions, thoughts that appear reasonable, but in my opinion, she is not so. And after yesterDay and toDay, after she kept questioning everything, and voted me, and overall seemed just wrong in her post to that point that I don't think she could have been mislead. She's clever, after all. Simply put, I would not expect her vote for me so easily had she been innocent. That's actually it, and I can generalise a little: most of the people from now on are those who are skeptic, yes, well, nothing wrong on that - but they are skeptic towards the one side, but not as much towards the other! I.e. what I said, Roa skeptically questions phantom, but does not bother questioning her own vote for me at all.

Thinlómien - I said that all before many times. My view of the story: From the beginning an ordo, later scried for a wolf, now still seeming to be undecisive about things, TOO skeptical (again, cf. above) for her skepticism to be actually honest! She may be skeptic, but heck, there is a limit!!!

INFRARED ZONE:

Rikae



Missed anyone? Hope not.

P.S. And I am aware of the fact that at the moment I make a list, I start to be totally off...

P.P.S. And I am probably going to part with you for now. Will probably show up later only to review what happened, maybe post something really, really short and then vote. I am parting with you with the signature line:

"How troublesome..."

[Brinniel]

It's unusually quiet here. Am I gonna end up triple posting?

Suspicion list:

Guilty: Rikae

Suspicious: Lommy

Borderline Suspicious: Roa, McCaber

No Idea: Shasta, Nilp, Kath, phantom, Lhuna, Legate, Celuien

Probably Innocent: Greenie, Izzy, Eonwe, Sally, Durelin, Lalaith, morm, Gwath

Okay, it's after 5am and I really need to go to bed. I'll see you all in several hours (and probably 5 pages later :rolleyes: ).

Don't do anything too chaotic while I'm gone. :p

[Rikae]

I'm back, didja miss me? :D

Phantom, I see you've admitted to being too cowardly for a duel toDay. Suits me just fine, I get another wolf. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Checking in on my way to work (super-quick) and I wonder. Is it possible that the wolves tried to kill the GW? But if so, there should be a challenge toDay sometime, so I'm guessing that's not the case.



Back in four hours or so I believe, though it'll be just to check in and I probably won't be able to post much.

[Rikae]

The phantom is egoistical and doesn't care about you!

He would rather give me a fourth wolf and allow me to kill you at twice the rate than admit his failure and challenge me with only one measly gifted.

Your Good Wizard doesn't have the good of the people in mind. Only I do. :p Do not trust the GW!

[the phantom]

Remember earlier I said I wanted to see one person's list in particular? That person was Nilp.

But he hasn't shown up. :rolleyes: Oh well.

When I'm off of work in four hours I'll be giving you all the heads up as to what is going to happen tonight and what I'm hoping will happen tomorrow.

For now, vote for Nilp. He's a Werewolf.

Yes, I'm certain, so don't even ask.

+ + Nilp

Sorry mother, but you don't get a 4th WW tonight. You'll get a third- if you're lucky.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I knew I'd been dreamed last NIGHT. ;) Thanks for wasting a dream on me, who am least of my brethren.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Imagine all the cover this creates! They'd all be voting for me, good and bad! Bandwaggons are rather nice-looking, aren't they. ;)

++Nilpaurion Felagund

++Nilpaurion Felagund

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Pretty . . . :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Do you mean there was so little posting since I left? Seems almost unbelievable.

Nilp... why is Kabuto-san attacking Old Lady Tsunade? :eek: Wha??? I don't believe it! He seemed so reasonable!!!

[Kath]

Do you know I once made a list somewhere, possibly in the Grimoire, on how many posts I tend to make during a game. That was because I'd just experienced the same situation, where everyone kept asking me why or mentioning that I was quieter than usual. I'm not really complaining, just mentioning, because I'm not quieter than usual, I am as quiet as I usually am, just in a game this size it feels like I'm saying less.

Anyway, phantom asked for a list (I read through and had exactly the same reaction as a few others when he posted those orders, but the fact that he actually noticed this and altered it to a question made me smile) so I'll do one. Don't know if there's much point now he's revealed and voted Nilp but oh well.

Greenie - I've not been suspicious of her so haven't looked at her in any great detail.

Shasta - like many have said, he's gone unnoticed, or not unnoticed but more just there, like a noise you've stopped hearing it's so constant. That sounds really insulting, it's not meant to be, I just can't think of a better analogy.

Izzy - hmm, I see Roa's point too about going after phantom yet voting Roa with little reasoning. Over the Days when I've seen a post from her I've often re-read it or double checked it, maybe I'm seeing something there that feels wrong. Not sure.

Lommy - I don't usually have such a problem with Lommy! If she's around and noisy she's generally innocent, if she's a wolf the stress of lying tends to come across. This game ... maybe it's the number of people thing again, she's hardly quiet but seems to be being drowned out. Some have said the way she reacts to things is overly confused and so suspicious, I actually don't think so. There was a point where I thought maybe she was suspicious but when I went back and read over some of her posts I thought her innocent. That change of mind hasn't changed back since.

Nilp - well, he has been playing less ... insanely than normal, and I'm quite inclined to take phantom's word for it so, wolf.

Eonwe - ha, yelled at phantom. :D Yeah, that's it, that's all I recall from him. Completely under the radar. Very overwhelmed innocent or very overwhelmed wolf, very little chance of working out which.

Sally - I'm so glad she's in this village, yeah that mad posting increases the amount of time it takes to read but it's so funny. I disagree with her about the whole how much people post thing, though I would, but I don't think it makes her suspicious. I don't think a wolf could post that much without letting something slip.

Rikae - I love how she's been posting toDay! She's evil as anything but the Rocky Horror references and the sheer fun she's having make her posts a joy to read.

phantom - as I said earlier, I'm inclined to trust him. My rebellious side has had it's workout since day 1 (oh that's no typo with the small letter D, I mean from day 1 of being on the 'Downs) so it's quite happy to listen to him now, even if it does like to mutter mutinously from time to time.

Lhuna - surprisingly I have no view on her, I thought I did. I think I found her suspicious early on, a bit over the top with some reactions to things others said. I don't think I've seen enough from her since then to do anything with that opinion.

Durelin - considering she's been around a fair bit I haven't thought much of her since that spat with Agan finished.

Roa - I'm inclined to think innocent. Arguing with phantom and getting completely over the top-ly cross is Roa's usual way of playing these games. All that stuff about 'when I was the EW' helps too. I mean yes she could be evil and saying it to avoid suspicion, but I'm not sure the amount of attention it's brought her would have been worth it.

Brinn - every now and then I read a post of hers and go 'ah! suspicious' and then I re-read it and can't work out why. This happened more at the beginning of the game so maybe I just got used to it or she calmed down some or something happened. I actually wouldn't be surprised if she was a non-original wolf I think, because that might explain that slight change in style over the Days.

Legate - again, since his argumentative phase I haven't thought a huge amount about him. But then even when I did I couldn't get a clear view.

Lalaith - first I thought 'flying under the radar', then I thought 'wolf!' but I cannot remember why. That was sometime on Day 2 I think but I do remember the thought striking me quite hard, so I'll remain wary here.

morm - been quieter than you have I? Hardly an unusual occurrence. That said, you've not been so verbose yourself. This could explain why I currently have no suspicions of you, which is practically unheard of.

Celuien - I have no idea, I really don't. I read her posts, they look fine to me, then I wonder if they look too fine. It's all a big mess in my head at this point.

Gwath - bit reactionary, but on the whole seems to post sensibly and with thought. Don't know what that says about his moral compass.

McCaber - another of these I've barely noticed. There really are too many people in this game, it's making me feel bad that I've concentrated on barely a third of them when reading through.

Anyway, there's my list. It was done without looking back over the Days, I wanted to see what I thought of people when their latest post wasn't in my head or when I'd just read over an analysis of them or something. Not sure it worked too well because of the number of people I couldn't remember much about but oh well.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nilp... why is Kabuto-san attacking Old Lady Tsunade? (Legate)The same reason Aizen attacked Seireitei, and Light used the Death Note . . .

I don't really know. :p

Well, it's been fun, villagers, play nice. Take care of my children, please; they take after their parents, they do.

NOBODY LISTENS TO THE GUILTY!!!!!

[Gwathagor]

For now, vote for Nilp. He's a Werewolf.


Ha ha. Oops.

[Rikae]

In honor of Nilp -

++Rikae

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hi, my name is Adam Smith, escaped convict from 9th-century Wales. This looks like fun. May I join?

Shush, Adam, don't bother them!

But I want Nilp's head over my fireplace and his hide on my door! *pout*

[Rikae]

I told you the EW was stupid, didn't I?

[mormegil]

++Nilp

Although a comment from Little Green made my suspicions rise today. (I will supply that later depending upon what happens)

I hope phantom gives us some more direction but I'm glad we have Nilp and thinned the numbers a bit. I still think Lommy, Lal, and now Greenie are worthy of looking at more closely.

[Roa_Aoife]

If they had scried the new Ranger, we would've known about it. Both wizards scrying the same person during the night = death from too much magic. Which leaves the Hunter and GW. Why choose a shot in the dark with trying to scry the GW whom they may not know, when they have a supposed hunter out in plain view?

How exactly would we have known about it? Have we known about any of the gifted, like which ones we have or how many, this entire game? I don't understand what the point about both wizard scrying the same person=death, since that wouldn't stop the GW from trying to get another gifted to replace Mac. As for the EW, I find it unlikely that they would try to scry for the gifted when they could just attack and kill them with wolves. The EW, having only 3 wolves last Night, would have been looking for a wolf to turn, not a gifted to de-gift. She wants those four kills. EW scrying is for wolf making, not gifted/GW hunting. That's what wolves are for.



Oh really. If my post was erroneous, then I believe yours is as well.


I also corrected myself here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=558616&postcount=1000). Read the whole way through before you respond Izzie. It's usually the best way to go about.

Of course, none this explains your two votes for me with out any previous suspicion mentioned. So, tell me, what was that all about?

Roa: The problem I have with Roa is that she was the first one to quickly believe Rikae in her claims as the GW. She backs away to "if" later on, but still openly defends her. That makes me nervous, as I can't understand how she (or anyone else) could've seen truth in that claim...it just seemed faulty to me. But would a wolf (or EW) be so bold? Typically I'd say no, but Roa's known to be bold...

Um, no, I didn't. I was one of the people questioning her from the start. In fact, I never said we should believe her at all. I simply believed that the best way to tell if she was telling the truth was to lynch Legate. That's how we usually test the seer. After phantom revealed, I was more inclined to believe her over him, for obvious reasons, but I still never fully placed my turst in her.


And oh for heaven's sake, Nilp.

Now, my own analysis of Nilp fits nicely with him being a wolf. And of course this self-voting thing makes my blood boil. I'm not certain we can trust phantom, but again, I think the best way to test him out is to go ahead and lynch Nilp. If Nilp isn't a wolf, we'll know for certain that phantom is evil. If he is, well, we'll have another wolf down. Which if there are only three wolves now, we'll only have one kill tonight. If the ranger did well, then we'll still keep it down to four wolves.

And of course, Nilp's not even trying to wriggle out of it. (Should that be considered honorable in this game?)

I won't be back until an hour before deadline, and I'll only have a few minutes then.

++Nilp

Because he's not even trying to hide it.

Edit: Four wolves for two kills, not four kills.....

[Rikae]

Because he's not even trying to hide it.
Indeed - quite annoying, considering the possibility that the seer actually dreamt of someone else and tp was bluffing about Nilp...

[Rikae]

Edit: Four wolves for two kills, not four kills.....

Unfortunately.

[Rikae]

Incidentally, Roa, I like the cut of your jib. Want to join my team? They'll need a leader when I'm gone.

[Lhunardawen]

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

*kisses the phantom* I'm sorry, I can't say more, internet connexion is fluky here tonight at the boarding house.

[Roa_Aoife]

Incidentally, Roa, I like the cut of your jib. Want to join my team? They'll need a leader when I'm gone.

Tempting, but no. I, unlike some, am not so eager to change sides. If you wanted me, you should have picked me in the first batch, because even if I was changed now, I'd probably still be trying to help the village win. I'm invested in their survival.

And if phantom is on your team, then no way. I don't think we work together very well. :p

[Rikae]

Sorry mother, but you don't get a 4th WW tonight. You'll get a third- if you're lucky.

I still have more minions than you do. :p

Anyway, folks, your evil wizard needs some help here. I'm sure you'll be very cooperative, right? I'm looking for a few good wolves, so come on, don't be shy - who wants to be evil? This may be your last chance, so step right up! Nominate yourselves, nominate your friends, and let me know - just what makes YOU an exceptional baddie? I wish I could make all of you wolves, you know, but my son doesn't share my vision, so don't be modest, because this is a wizard's market!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Got a last chance to post tonight. :D

Sorry, Rikae, but I'm in the wrong timezone to pull that off. Maybe next time . . . ;)

Lhuna is a wolf, Lommy, Greenie, and Nogrod are wolves, too. Also, Rikae replaced Mac as your Ranger. :D Hurrah for shared computers!!!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Incidentally, Roa, I like the cut of your jib. Want to join my team? They'll need a leader when I'm gone.Oooh, do that, do that!!!

[Gwathagor]

Well, friends, this is the last time I'll be able to post toDay. I have to go to work now, but good luck.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That would work . . . nobody would lynch the dead. :p

Being evil is nice; evil is cute and fuzzy. Join evil! :D

[mormegil]

That would work . . . nobody would lynch the dead. :p

Being evil is nice; evil is cute and fuzzy. Join evil! :D


That might not make sense now Nilp as I deleted the message.

[A Little Green]

Okay, I'm back, sooner than I expected. So Nilp's a wolf, eh? Not hard to believe; not because he's been too suspicious, nor because phantom said it (:p), but because of his reaction to it. Here comes my list:

Shasta - more active than usual (thumbs up!), not suspicious.
Izzy - difficult to say.
Lommie - I find her quite innocentish, actually. I think a wolf-Lommy would be more agreeing and smooth (and she is neither). I think her skepticism looks innocentish. Just agreeing without question raises my eyebrows much more.
Nilp - sufficient to say that I knew it would be no good when my daughter married a home-bound sandwich-maker... *murmur*
Sally - innocentish and amusing.
Kath - slightly worrying. Posts little (but the posts are long enough), nothing too suspicious in anything she has said, but then I think there wouldn't be even if she was a wolf.. No idea.
Eönwë - difficult to say because of... ummm... lack of evidence? Leaning innocent.
Rikae - evil but amusing.
phantom - I'm inclined to trust he's a goodie... which does not remove the fact that his bossy behaviour irritates me a lot.
Lhuna - Looks innocent. I'm not sure about her, though... Might be that she looks too sweet.. Leaning innocent, anyhow.
Dury - a difficult case. Looks very non-suspicious, but then, the only time I played with her she was a wolf and fooled me completely...
Roa - looks innocent. (And I like that someone dares to contradict...) Makes sense.
Brinn - I'm quite convinced of her innocence. Contributing, helpful, sincere and makes sense (and I agree with her on most points... :rolleyes: )
Legate - difficult to say. Leaning innocent?
morm - no idea. Slightly worrying?
Lalaith - a difficult case, could be anything.
Celuien - under the radar, in a disquieting way. Could be a wolf.
Gwathie - usual Gwath, not as suspicious as in Day 1. Not sure about him, but leaning innocent ATM.
McCaber - another possibility for under-the-radar-wolf. Very worrisome.

I had some important point but forgot it already. :rolleyes:


EDIT: x-ed since Rikae's 1108

[Rikae]

That might not make sense now Nilp as I deleted the message.

You're not supposed to delete things here, morm! More wolfish behavior from you... you're just begging to by lynched, aren't you?

[mormegil]

You're not supposed to delete things here, morm! More wolfish behavior from you... you're just begging to by lynched, aren't you?

I also have my role as moderator.

[Rikae]

I also have my role as moderator.
Hmm... now I'm curious what it was and who posted it.

[mormegil]

Hmm... now I'm curious what it was and who posted it.

I bet you would :p

[Durelin]

Had a rough night, so I apologize for being late. Dang, I thought I had some of this nonsense figured out. Apparently not.

I rather dislike that phantom obviously feels the village needs to be led by the hand, as well. But I'm glad Di-seer found us another wolf before her death, as it seems. Even if I wasn't inclined to trust phantom at the moment (which I bregrudgingly am), Nilp hardly looks at all innocent anymore.

++Nilp

With that taken care of - I absolutely hate lists. Lists are for people who enjoy looking intelligent and organized. They're for people who are motivated and put hours of time and lots of energy into these games. I'm too lazy for them. I'll try to do one even though phantom gave up waiting for Nilp's. Maybe.

I'll be back, and then I should be around off and on for the rest of the Day. Maybe.

[Thinlómien]

And regarding my analysis, Finnlomien, it was my first ever, and I'm sorry it wasn't up to your exacting standards.Nice nickname. Point taken. We can't all be Roas when it comes to analysing...

As for Rikae, I think she's saying she's the EW to make us think that she's actually a wolf and lynch her. I bow low before her if she's really a wolf (who is trple or four-fold bluffing?), because that would be quite genious.

Honestly, in such a large game some of us need to be quiet.. Can you imagine what would happen it we all posted like you and tp? At least I can: we'd be far less unsure about some people in general.

Morm - have you stated an actual reason to suspect me (have I just missed it or forgotten it?) or do you just suspect me because you always do?

And besides, if we start listing people we think are innocent or we're unsure of, the EW will be sure to lick from those people. Only we won't know which ones. So I'm not doing it. You make a list. I'll be doing something more productive.Surely that's not that bad? It simply means it's easier for us to guess whom she has picked. ;)

Okay, here's the deal. The GW and EW still have another Night of activity left, and I can't afford to give the EW an accurate picture of what I know. I mean, if I say who to suspect and who not to suspect, the EW and the WWs will suddenly know precisely who to kill and who to scry.You could still give us a list with whast you think about everybody. I'm sure you can bluff a little here and there when it's necessary... :rolleyes:

However, I would like to see her post even more (though maybe it's because Lommy hogs the computer ).:D But seriously, I'm not doing that. She posts just as much as she chooses to.

Her arguments become very intense...yet she does not want to take the blame if Aganzir is innocent. Well... how many times do I have to explain this? 1) I was not sure about her. How could I have been? 2) I did not want people to trust my judgement on her just because we're RL friends.

Another wolfish comment. She's wavering...People tend to waver when they're confused... or at least I do.

But the question remains, why to lynch Cailín and not Rikae if they're both wolves?
I replied to her about this, but I had thought that surely anyone would see the reason why. Because Di knew Cailin was a wolf, but Rikae could be the EW.
You nicely left the smilies out and totally changed the meaning of my sentence. When I first asked tp why can't we vote Rikae, I was serious. That second time, it was just joking. I thought the smilies would leave no doubt about that... Somehow I'm getting the impression that you're getting a bit over-enthusistic in trying to "prove" that I'm a wolf. Careful.

Gah! She's not the only one making this mistake as I pointed out. But why is everyone forgetting that it could go the other way around?Well, simply because it really just didn't occur to me, whatever that tells about my power of intelligence... Thanks for pointing that out, that really forces me to take a second look at things... at Sally, Legate, Lhuna and Greenie, for example.

She may be skeptic, but heck, there is a limit!!!There is? Where?
Seriously, I can't see why I've been made such an icon of skepticism. Read my posts and you can see I hardly deserve that title... there's something weird in this image getting so popular.

Kath's list made me feel a little better about her. But that might be simply because she doesn't suspect me... *rolls eyes at self*

Although a comment from Little Green made my suspicions rise today. (I will supply that later depending upon what happens)Oh, how informative...

The obvious:

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I should have known, in normal conditions he'd never have suggested anything to the poisonous woman... *scowls*


edit: xed with Rikae and morm... and that poisonous woman

[mormegil]

Oh, how informative...

It's one of those things that if it works out that something happens then this lends itself to this theory, if it doesn't then I need to rethink it. However, I don't want to give anything away prematurely here either.

Morm - have you stated an actual reason to suspect me (have I just missed it or forgotten it?) or do you just suspect me because you always do?

No I haven't given any real reason...do I need to? I've clearly stated that I'm going with my feelings here and no I get a different feel from you than my normal suspcion.

[Nogrod]

morm is a moderator in this section of the 'Downs and has a right - indeed a duty - to delete posts that are not following the general guidelines of the forum eg. are flaming, insulting, rough etc...

I respect and trust morm's judgement in this even if I didn't see the post that was deleted. So just play as that incident never happened.

[satansaloser2005]

Imagine all the cover this creates! They'd all be voting for me, good and bad! Bandwaggons are rather nice-looking, aren't they. ;)

++Nilpaurion Felagund

++Nilpaurion Felagund

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Pretty . . . :D



I thought I was trusting him too much. What he said.



Oh, and so it's official....

++Nilp

I'd say I'd miss you father but....well, ya know....

Okay, I'd only really read as far as Nilp's multiple self-vote (which I'm tempted to list multiple times toMorrow, just to be silly) so I'm going to catch up now.

[Rikae]

I get a different feel from you than my normal suspcion.

A feel of innocence, perhaps? :D

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmmm, I think I missed something. Bah, if it's gone it's probably something I didn't need to see anyway, so I'm good with it.




Lommy Mommy, voting your husband is grounds for divorce. But since he's going to die anyway....meh, we'll let it slide. (Don't tell, but I'm practicing for my BS in law....and I don't mean bachelor's....sorry I couldn't resist)

[satansaloser2005]

A feel of innocence, perhaps? :D


I hate you. But in a warm, fuzzy, I love you sort of way. :p






If I don't post again, I'll be back 2hrs pre-DL, but just for a few minutes. Oh, and Kath, I'm glad I amuse you. I bring Phantom-sized entertainment without the hassle of the ego. ;)

[mormegil]

Sorry for missing you Legate on my list...

I would list you as odd, I have vascillated with you and I'm a fence sitter right now.

[satansaloser2005]

I still have more minions than you do.

Anyway, folks, your evil wizard needs some help here. I'm sure you'll be very cooperative, right? I'm looking for a few good wolves, so come on, don't be shy - who wants to be evil? This may be your last chance, so step right up! Nominate yourselves, nominate your friends, and let me know - just what makes YOU an exceptional baddie? I wish I could make all of you wolves, you know, but my son doesn't share my vision, so don't be modest, because this is a wizard's market!

*waves hand in the air!!!!*


Wait. Bad Sally. Bad. Away from me, vile temptress.

Or alternatively....
Silence! I kill you! ;)



Alas, back to work. :(

P.S. Di, I'm thinking I know who the lynchee is going to be. But if you still want to amuse me, I'm all up for it. :cool:

[mormegil]

P.S. Di, I'm thinking I know who the lynchee is going to be. But if you still want to amuse me, I'm all up for it. :cool:

Perhaps Nog might clarify but I don't really see that we should be talking to dead people about the game it really does affect the integrity of the whole thing.

[Thinlómien]

No I haven't given any real reason...do I need to? I've clearly stated that I'm going with my feelings here and no I get a different feel from you than my normal suspcion.Well I was just wondering...

And as a sidenote, quite many of us seem just to be comfortable with voting Nilp and chatting. Really, if we know one wolf and vote him, that doesn't mean that we should spend the rest of the day by chatting and not doing something more useful... I, for exampl, I'm going to have a closer look at some people - in a minute.

[the phantom]

All right, after we lynch Nilp here's what we'll have.

Good- Me and Ranger
Evil- Rikae and 2 WWs
Ordos- 14

After tonight I'd like to have a Seer and Ranger to help you out. If the Night goes well then for sure I'm challenging tomorrow.

If the night goes poorly Rikae can't challenge me because I have not been proven as the GW (haven't been lynched, scried, or attacked by WWs). If Rikae wants to earn the right to challenge me she will have to waste a scry on me, for I will be using my Ranger to protect me tonight. If the Ranger is guarding me then a WW attack cannot reveal my identity. So, unless she scries, I am ensured two chances to get things right at night.

If I create a Seer and she scries my Ranger, I'll still challenge.

If I unWolf someone and she scries my Ranger, I'll challenge.

If I create a Seer and she kills my Ranger, I'll challenge.

If we scry the same person- I'm not sure.

Maybe I'll challenge tomorrow no matter what. This village is seriously taking up too much of my free time. I haven't been sleeping enough and I'm coming down sick now and could really use some rest. Hm, so maybe I won't bother protecting myself from the WW kill. Her challenging me tomorrow- I'd probably welcome it.

Anyway, those are the various things that could occur tonight. For right now just make sure Nilp gets lynched. That way the WWs won't have any shot at getting two kills tonight.

[Celuien]

Instructions received - I shall get to making my list shortly... In the meantime:

++ Nilp

Two wolves down!

[Lalaith]

vote for Nilp. He's a Werewolf.

Ah well, that makes life simple. For a change.


++Nilp


More to follow.

[Durelin]

Look! I did it! It was dreadfully taxing, but I managed to trudge through it.

A Little Green - I'd rather forgotten she was even playing. Hah.

Shastanis Althreduin – He’s amusing. Ordo.

Isabellkaya – I like the way she’s looked at some things today. Ordo.

Thinlómien – I really have no idea. I rather thought she was a wolf before everyone (well, a number of people) started to suspect her. I think Greenie makes a good point about her. She’s lost the smoothness I saw in the first couple Days, which was what really freaked me out (anytime the majority of the village seems to want to go along with her, it alarms me). Her confusion may have been played up, but you can make arguments against people who go along with things too easily, too. And I believe some already have.

Nilpaurion Felagund – Well, I voted for him, so… Yeah, I’m trusting phantom, or at least his information, for the time being. Besides, Roa pointed out some very nasty things about him that I agree with, like his eagerness to vote for Rikae, as I agree she is simply a distraction at this time.

Kath – She always rather scares me. She just does. But I rather agree with a good bit in her list (like the Eonwe thing), so I feel okay about her.

Sally – Has been talking wayyyy too much, especially today. I can’t make any judgments, but I’m a little concerned.

Rikae – Hehe. Whatever kind of evil she is, it’s the diet coke of evil.

Lhunardawen – I feel like she’s an ordo. But she also could fall in with Lalaith and Celuien below. I feel like she’s in-between their sort and a Nilp. Quiet and calm with a tinge of crazyness that keeps her from ever being too frightening.

Durelin – Chaotic neutral.

Roa_Aoife – Innocent.

Brinniel – Very serious, smooth, and creepy. Feels like a wolf.

Legate of Amon Lanc – Still feels innocent. Ordo.

Lalaith & Celuien – I’m pairing these up because I feel pretty much exactly the same way about them. Quiet, perfect wolves, though I have no clue. Of the two Lalaith feels more innocent.

Mormegil – He’s starting to channel the phantom or something, without all the blathering, so I’m not as pleased with him as I was.

Gwathagor – His immediate vote for Rikae is interesting, but probably too ‘obvious’ or what have you. He seems kinda generally nervous, though. Course what does that say to me? Not much.

Eönwë & McCaber – Both of them are so booorrring… I feel like lynching them regardless of any suspicion. Kath has a good point that Eonwe seems like an overwhelmed innocent or wolf and it’s hard to tell which…gah. The same might go for McCaber, though perhaps I should toss him in with Lalaith and Celuien, though he is not as smooth.

Look at all that wishy-washy substance!

I should have known, in normal conditions he'd never have suggested anything to the poisonous woman... *scowls*

Oh yes, that... :rolleyes:

Edit: Crossed with phantom, Celuien, and Lalaith. Also didn't notice morm's comment about communication with the dead...I quite agree. That's twice now...

[Isabellkya]

To the few people whom think quiet people are suspicious. You want people to post more, but yet when they do; you are suspicious of them. This is a large village, with everyone in different time zones. If everyone posted as frequently as everyone else, we would suredly be well past 50 pages by now. Let alone, every person can not possibly have a completely original idea which is seperate from every other player's - which is related to werewolf and this game.

The point - you can't have it all at the same time, you need to expect their to be overlapping of thoughts. So when "quiet" people do post - no need to make snide remarks about it.


Izzie wanta cracker. Izzie wanta cracker.

[Lalaith]

Good:

Phantom

probably Good:
Brinniel
Legate
Gwath
Morm
Celuien

No idea:

Eonwe
Lhuna
Durelin
Kath
Satansaloser
Shastanis

Bit worried:

McCaber
Isabellkaya


Really quite worried:
Roa

Worried, worried, whoo!:
Lommy

Well, dur:
Rikae
Nilp

[Lalaith]

Here's why Roa worries me:

I know her to be an extremely strong and loyal team player. When I was the Seer and was in trouble, in the Werepenguins game, she stood over me like an anxious Valkyrie. Her performance yesterday, after Rikae ran off, reminded a bit of that. She stayed around, she seemed to be joining the debate, but basically I got the feeling she was trying to prove that Rikae was telling the truth. Like a loyal press secretary, left in the lurch by her CEO at an Enron press conference.

I don't know, maybe I was imagining it, but that's what it felt like.

[Lalaith]

I'll do Lommy after supper.

Izzy - your recent post, quite agree. I can't post much Mon-Fri, as the forum is blocked at work: when I get home, I like to read the posts of others before I post myself - so no, I don't flood-post. However, I was around all Saturday and tried to be as helpful as possible. We do what we can, when we can.

[McCaber]

Once again, I am sorry about my lack of content. My internet is extremely spotty lately, and I won't be able to get on for the rest of the day. I might even have to bow out of this one.

So without further ado,

++Nilp

[Thinlómien]

I really don't understand what you all have against me... :rolleyes: Seriously, it's baffling. I'm innocent and I don't think I have acted any differently from how I normally act. Usually people suspect me to some degree, yes, but not this much. (It has been a while since I was last lynched when I was innocent.) So, I'm quite confident that not everybody who suspects me really suspects me, but there are some wolves hiding in the crowd, as I seem to have become the "official suspicious person" everybody has to be suspicious of. :rolleyes: Which ones are the pretenders or the go-alongs then? No idea. I'm tempted to look at everybody who has expressed suspicion of me because I'm quite sure there'll be a wolf or two among the sheep. (See? Not a that good idea to flow along the current. You get what you deserve: a proper inspection. ;))


edit: xed with McC

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, it looks like you really won't see anything more from me toDay, too busy. Let's hope there will be still something to see toMorrow. My vote, for the sake of it:

++Nilp

And that will be it. Fare thee well.

[Eönwë]

Ok, well here's my list (bear in mind I've never played, so):

Innocent:
the phantom- most likely, but an enigma.

Probably innocent:
Shastanis Althreduin
Mormegil
Celuien
McCaber

Slightly less innocent (maybe becoming a bit furry):
A Little Green
Isabellkaya
Roa_Aoife- It hought she was evil at the beginning but now I'm convinced otherwise. Hmm. Nasty wolf trickses maybe, but more likely not.
Thinlómien

Hmm (claws, perhaps):

satansaloser2005 (Well she said write Sally)- she writes too much pointless stuff. But I've never played before. Is might always be like this.
Kath- Something's not quite right
Legate of Amon Lanc- a bit quiet laetley. Maybr an ordoed wolf

Pure evil:
Rikae
Nilpaurion Felagund


Don't know:
Durelin
Lhunardawen
Brinniel
Lalaith- something's odd
Gwathagor

x-ed with Lalaith #3 onwards

[Eönwë]

Then there's the Rikae problem. Is she really the EW? We all seem to take this for granted, but...

I have a theory, but that might just get me killed, so I won't say it.

[Eönwë]

And Lalaith- seems reassuring, but is there something more sinister behind the guise of a mouse? Probably not.

But Lommy keeps on trying to get people not to look at her as suspicious, or otherwise that makes them look suspicious. She's just masking her scent... (or is she the one who can tell people by their scent?)

[A Little Green]

Well I might as well vote now.

++ Nilp

(By the way, this current situation is quite dull, actually. Someone comes and tells you who is a wolf, then you vote him out, and have new instructions the next day. Bah.)

I agree with Lommy, though, that we shouldn't think that "Okay, phantom (who seems to be the GW after all...) will clear the situation out, let's chat while we wait for him to tell us what to do." It will profit no one, especially because we still have two wolves to catch. Who do I think might be among those two? Hmmm... McCaber? Kath? Celuien? I don't know.


EDIT: x-ed with 1xEönwë

[Celuien]

Starting with the obvious:

Bad to the bone:
Rikae
Nilpaurion Furrygund

Good:
the phantom

Making me suspicious:
Roa_Aoife - at first I thought the fighting with the phantom was just personalities facing off... but now that it's rather obvious that he's innocent, it's troubling to me that she's continuing to voice mistrust of him (ex: "I'm not certain we can trust phantom" in post 1110). Yes, phantom's assuredness can be... taxing. But he's the one person here I think can be trusted right now, so irritating or not, bossiness should get a pass. *shrugs*

And also suspicious for initially trusting evil-Rikae's GW impersonation yesterday.

Slightly less suspicious:
Lommy - something felt funny about her reactions to the events yesterday, as pointed out by others. I have nothing to add to those comments.

Probably good:
morm
Lalaith
Gwathagor
sally
Legate

Now for the largest category....

I can't tell
Greenie
Shasta
Izzy
Eönwe
Kath
The Lhunatic
Durelin
Brinniel
McCaber

Will think some more on that category.

And I think that's everyone.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Whee, lots of posts.

++Nilp

I had a point about Phantom and Diamond that I thought up on the ride over but since it's pretty clear now who's who, I won't go into that.

[Thinlómien]

Then there's the Rikae problem. Is she really the EW? We all seem to take this for granted, but...

I have a theory, but that might just get me killed, so I won't say it.Killed? Killed in the Night? You'd be sacrificing your life for greater good... ;) Lynched? No, we're not that quick to jump on weird theories. Obviously, it's difficult to give you advice but as a rule: say it aloud as crazy as it is and whatever might happen to you (unless you are a person of special importance) unless it benefits the evil team to know it.

But Lommy keeps on trying to get people not to look at her as suspicious, or otherwise that makes them look suspicious. She's just masking her scent... (or is she the one who can tell people by their scent?)
No, that's not me, that's my treacherous husband. :mad: Anyway, what I wanted to interefere with in this statement is that suspecting me is not suspicious per se, but when half of the village is doing it - with very weak grounds as far as I can see - it is suspicious.

Speaking of which, I'm going to see who have suspected me toDay (and possibly yesterDay) and then I'll draw a conclusion or two... Beware.

[Brinniel]

You know, every time phantom reveals a wolf, I begin to doubt him. But then claimed wolf spoils it all by their reaction. It's almost like the bad guys are doing the work for us... :rolleyes:

But really, I think it's time I start trusting phantom. As much as I hate trusting anyone, I can't see any possible way he would be lying..

Is there any point to my vote? I think it's quite obvious who's going to be lynched.

++Nilp

[Rikae]

If I create a Seer and she scries my Ranger, I'll still challenge.

If I unWolf someone and she scries my Ranger, I'll challenge.

If I create a Seer and she kills my Ranger, I'll challenge.

If we scry the same person- I'm not sure.


And what if I kill your seer for a third time, eh? ;)

[Brinniel]

Um, no, I didn't. I was one of the people questioning her from the start. In fact, I never said we should believe her at all. I simply believed that the best way to tell if she was telling the truth was to lynch Legate. That's how we usually test the seer. After phantom revealed, I was more inclined to believe her over him, for obvious reasons, but I still never fully placed my turst in her.
You were questioning her, in the sense that you were asking questions. But you weren't questioning her role...at first. I don't think I'm the only one interpreting it this way, but your reactions seemed like an awful lot like you believed her. I do see some doubts in your posts, but not from the initial reaction...plus the doubt seemed to come after others started to doubt her. These quotes from you I just found rather odd...you still seemed trying hard to believe her, even if there was some doubt:

Rikae, I'm assuming that your seer dreamed him?

And phantom wasn't evil when your seer dreamed him? When was that?

Look, if Rikae knows that Legate is the EW, not a wolf, then I don't want to lynch him. He won't die, and it will just take up our llynch space so that we don't lynch a wolf.

But if Legate is a wolf then we should definitely lynch him.

Unfornately, Rikae didn't specify. And she didn't tell us why she revealed. Was she in danger? I haven't finished reading through the thread yet....

Wait! Do you think that the EW may have scried Rikae last night? If her identity is already known, that also means that there was no wolf turned last night. And she would have no reason to hide. Which means if Legate is a wolf and we lynch him, the wolves will be down significantly.

At the same time, if Rikae IS the GW, and was scried last night, then she already knows our odds are good. Really good. If we get a wolf today.

[Rikae]

Guess what, Phantom? You just lynched my trusted second-in-command, who knows everything I know. If you had scried him instead, you would have won.

[Brinniel]

Speaking of which, I'm going to see who have suspected me toDay (and possibly yesterDay) and then I'll draw a conclusion or two... Beware.
Wait...are you saying that anyone who finds you suspicious is suddenly suspicious themselves?

[Kath]

Huh, I just realised, didn't vote!

++NILP

[Thinlómien]

Wait...are you saying that anyone who finds you suspicious is suddenly suspicious themselves?

:rolleyes:

I really don't understand what you all have against me... Seriously, it's baffling. I'm innocent and I don't think I have acted any differently from how I normally act. Usually people suspect me to some degree, yes, but not this much. (It has been a while since I was last lynched when I was innocent.) So, I'm quite confident that not everybody who suspects me really suspects me, but there are some wolves hiding in the crowd, as I seem to have become the "official suspicious person" everybody has to be suspicious of. Which ones are the pretenders or the go-alongs then? No idea. I'm tempted to look at everybody who has expressed suspicion of me because I'm quite sure there'll be a wolf or two among the sheep. (See? Not a that good idea to flow along the current. You get what you deserve: a proper inspection. )

Anyway, what I wanted to interefere with in this statement is that suspecting me is not suspicious per se, but when half of the village is doing it - with very weak grounds as far as I can see - it is suspicious.

It's quite clearly out there, Brinn - so why are you making such a show it/ deliberately ignore it? I don't like it... maybe you have got some extra hair to hide?


edit: xed with Kath

[the phantom]

If you had scried him instead, you would have won.
It would be kind of boring to win this early. These villagers want to have some WW fun before the end!
And what if I kill your seer for a third time, eh?
Then it would be the third time you had unintentionally killed my Seer. ;)

Volo- you knew nothing.

Di- if you had thought she was the Seer you would've scried her rather than killed her. :p

And I chose not to protect either one, cause I knew I'd get to make another one the next night.

And they both got their dreams in before they died. Haven't missed a nightly dream yet. And the dreams have been rather useful, don't you think?

So really, it wasn't a big deal Mommy.
Then there's the Rikae problem. Is she really the EW?
Yes.

I've known it for quite a while.

[Brinniel]

Yes Lommy, but just because a lot of people suspect you, it doesn't mean there isn't a good reason behind it. You may see it as "weak grounds," but others don't. And anyways, I have a good reason to comment because the last time someone questioned me for suspecting them, they turned out to be a wolf...

[Rikae]

Then it would be the third time you had unintentionally killed my Seer. ;)
Hardly, I knew Di was the seer, I scried for a new wolf. ToNight I would love to kill your new seer and force you to leave the village seerless or give me another night!

[Rikae]

It would be kind of boring to win this early. These villagers want to have some WW fun before the end!

You edited this - tsk tsk!

[Thinlómien]

Yes Lommy, but just because a lot of people suspect you, it doesn't mean there isn't a good reason behind it. You may see it as "weak grounds," but others don't. And anyways, I have a good reason to comment because the last time someone questioned me for suspecting them, they turned out to be a wolf...If there's a good reason, please point it out to me. :rolleyes: I can't see such.

Besides, many of you aren't giving almost any grounds at all. (I give you the credit that you have at least raised a few actual points against me.) How on earth am I supposed to prove my innocence if no one gives a reason why they suspect me, or if their reasons are silly or irrational?

I just can't see why you all suspect me. Some of you say that there's a different feel to me and that's all you say - but what can I reply to that? It is the thing that makes me most baffled, because there should be no different feel to me as I have not changed my playing style and I'm not a wolf. So, do some of you have an over-active imagination, do you misjudge me or are you wolves (or innocents :rolleyes: ) surfing on the current tide of suspicion in order to look better? That's what I'm trying to find out...

And as for questioning someone's suspicion for oneself should be a basic human right, not a mark of wolvish behaviour....

[Rikae]

Actually, I agree with you wholeheartedly on being tired of this game. It's ceased to be fun for me (actually, it ceased to be fun as soon as it started, since I knew perfectly well I would be among the first dreamt/scried no matter what I did). I would concede, or drop out, if I could. I believe you've pretty much seen to it that it hasn't been fun for anyone else toDay, either.

[mormegil]

If there's a good reason, please point it out to me. :rolleyes: I can't see such.

Besides, many of you aren't giving almost any grounds at all. (I give you the credit that you have at least raised a few actual points against me.) How on earth am I supposed to prove my innocence if no one gives a reason why they suspect me, or if their reasons are silly or irrational?

I just can't see why you all suspect me. Some of you say that there's a different feel to me and that's all you say - but what can I reply to that? It is the thing that makes me most baffled, because there should be no different feel to me as I have not changed my playing style and I'm not a wolf. So, do some of you have an over-active imagination, do you misjudge me or are you wolves (or innocents :rolleyes: ) surfing on the current tide of suspicion in order to look better? That's what I'm trying to find out...

And as for questioning someone's suspicion for oneself should be a basic human right, not a mark of wolvish behaviour....

Lommy my concern is your use of punctuation...definately wolfish, not to mention you smiley or not so smiley faces.

Seriously though, part of the reason I suspect you is your insatiable desire to continually 'prove' your innocence. I've played many games with you and often times find you suspicious but this time I find you suspicious for different reasons. You do have a different vibe to you almost as if you changed roles...

[mormegil]

Actually, I agree with you wholeheartedly on being tired of this game. It's ceased to be fun for me (actually, it ceased to be fun as soon as it started, since I knew perfectly well I would be among the first dreamt/scried no matter what I did). I would concede, or drop out, if I could. I believe you've pretty much seen to it that it hasn't been fun for anyone else toDay, either.

I'm rather enjoying it so I feel sorry you aren't.

[Eönwë]

I knew perfectly well I would be among the first dreamt/scried no matter what I did

Are you saying you're not the EW now?

edit: x-ed with 2x morm

[Lalaith]

Ok, here's why I think Lommy is a wolf.

There are players I have difficulty getting a 'feel' for. Kath, for example, and Durelin (although having said that I did spot wolf-Durelin last time I played).
But I do think I have a handle on Lommy, as it were, and every time I've played with Lommy before I've trusted her, and every time she's been innocent. (I think!)

But this time she feels all wrong. Her participation in the debate yesterday for example: the confusion seemed fabricated, as did the refusing to acknowledge that Rikae might be the EW.
Her last post "don't scry me please" yesterday sounded like a bid to make the GW think she (Lommy) was the EW rather than Rikae.
And the whole Aganzir/Lommy routine reminded me of Roa/Valier in the last DW.

There's some hard evidence there but it's mostly instinct and thus not as convincing to the rest of you as it could be. And of course I could be quite wrong. But there you have it.

[Lalaith]

Oi! You wizards! Play nice!

[Eönwë]

Oi! You wizards! Play nice!


Yeah! You tell them!

Owww! That hurt!

[Thinlómien]

Alright.

Lalaith - flies straight to the over-active imagination or (either deliberately or accidentally) misjudging me category. :rolleyes:

morm - First off, thanks for explaining. Seriously though, part of the reason I suspect you is your insatiable desire to continually 'prove' your innocence. I've played many games with you and often times find you suspicious but this time I find you suspicious for different reasons. You do have a different vibe to you almost as if you changed roles...Care to elaborate/ give example? I don't get what you mean by this.

[Brinniel]

If there's a good reason, please point it out to me. I can't see such.

Besides, many of you aren't giving almost any grounds at all.
I thought I already pointed out my reasons earlier toDay. Though I should also mention, your very defensive nature and that you keep saying "I don't understand why everyone finds me suspicious!" is odd in itself. If those aren't good enough reasons for you, I'm sorry.

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah! You tell them!

Owww! That hurt!

I second (or is it third? Heh I don't know. anyway....) Play nice children.

And by the way, I think you (Rikae) and Mac have been having a streak of bad luck. I remember another game where you were a wolf and....well, the poor fellow. But all's fair in love and Werewolf. :)



Perhaps Nog might clarify but I don't really see that we should be talking to dead people about the game it really does affect the integrity of the whole thing.

Clarification: Di was going to text me with the lynch since I won't be around at Day's end, nothing more. But since it's pretty obvious who's dying, she pretty much won't need to. I'd tell her via IM, but she wasn't on at the time.



I've still had fun, although since so much is out in the open now, it kind of kills it. No offense, but I'll be kind of happy when the wizards are dead and we get to do things ourselves. *violent Sally is not at all violent, oh no, not me*

[Thinlómien]

Legate

#1010
I can't say that Lommy's posts early toDay carry on with the generally rather unpleasant view on her, but whatever.

#1094
RED ZONE:
Thinlómien - I said that all before many times. My view of the story: From the beginning an ordo, later scried for a wolf, now still seeming to be undecisive about things, TOO skeptical (again, cf. above) for her skepticism to be actually honest! She may be skeptic, but heck, there is a limit!!!

Did suspect me yesterDay.

conclusion: Obviously hopelessly misjudging my actions, but I don't think he does it in a particularly wolvish way.


morm

#1017
Thinlómien --Like always I think she's evil but I don't have any real good reason to think this.

#1046
Anyway, overall Lal, Lommy and Shasta are my top suspects (excluding Rikae, but I think I know where tp may be going with this.)

#1109
I hope phantom gives us some more direction but I'm glad we have Nilp and thinned the numbers a bit. I still think Lommy, Lal, and now Greenie are worthy of looking at more closely.

#1170
Lommy my concern is your use of punctuation...definately wolfish, not to mention you smiley or not so smiley faces.

Seriously though, part of the reason I suspect you is your insatiable desire to continually 'prove' your innocence. I've played many games with you and often times find you suspicious but this time I find you suspicious for different reasons. You do have a different vibe to you almost as if you changed roles...

Did suspect me yesterDay.

conclusion: I will withhold judgement until I see his explanation to that proving innocence thing.


sally

#1042
Lommy Mommy: I can't shake the feeling that she's a wolf. Other than her behavior with the whole Phantom/Rikae/Di/Legate thing yesterday, she seems innocent, so I'm hoping it was just a flurry of confusion. Surprisingly, I would vote her, but only if she was against someone I thought extremely innocent. (64)

Did suspect me yesterDay, but only very late when quite many people had first suspected me.

conclusion: kind of flip-flopping and going with the flow, not good. On the other hand, I don't think she was a wolf yesterDay, so I don't know why did she kind of lighten her suspicion of me toDay if she was cursed last Night. Maybe to try to gain an ally/ not get me against her? A rather odd choice, given the current situation. Something I need to think about...


Gwathagor

#1049
Thinlómien - 6[1 innocent, 10 guilty]

Questioned me yesterDay.

conclusion: little to go on, but definitely fishy. Flowing like a fish (or a wolf?) along the stream.


Lalaith

#1084
I will say this though, I still feel really uncomfortable about Lommy from yesterday.

#1144
Worried, worried, whoo!:
Lommy

#1173
Ok, here's why I think Lommy is a wolf.

There are players I have difficulty getting a 'feel' for. Kath, for example, and Durelin (although having said that I did spot wolf-Durelin last time I played).
But I do think I have a handle on Lommy, as it were, and every time I've played with Lommy before I've trusted her, and every time she's been innocent. (I think!)

But this time she feels all wrong. Her participation in the debate yesterday for example: the confusion seemed fabricated, as did the refusing to acknowledge that Rikae might be the EW.
Her last post "don't scry me please" yesterday sounded like a bid to make the GW think she (Lommy) was the EW rather than Rikae.
And the whole Aganzir/Lommy routine reminded me of Roa/Valier in the last DW.

There's some hard evidence there but it's mostly instinct and thus not as convincing to the rest of you as it could be. And of course I could be quite wrong. But there you have it.

Suspected me yesterDay.

conclusion: I'm grudging to admit this, but she looks quite innocent. Or then she's a wolf who has chosen a target early on.


Brinn

#1092
Lommy: Umm...I don't want to flood this post with tons of quotes, but there are tons of her's that stick out to be. I want to make a more detailed analysis of her later. Let's just say for now it's not looking good...

#1093 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=558744&postcount=1093)

#1095
Suspicious: Lommy

#1161
Wait...are you saying that anyone who finds you suspicious is suddenly suspicious themselves?

Suspected me yesterDay.

conclusion: I think she's too enthusiastic to lynch me. Looks quite wolfy solely based on this.


Durelin

#1142
Thinlómien – I really have no idea. I rather thought she was a wolf before everyone (well, a number of people) started to suspect her. I think Greenie makes a good point about her. She’s lost the smoothness I saw in the first couple Days, which was what really freaked me out (anytime the majority of the village seems to want to go along with her, it alarms me). Her confusion may have been played up, but you can make arguments against people who go along with things too easily, too. And I believe some already have.

Questioned me yesterDay.

conclusion: sounds sincere enough, but there's a chance she's a wolf.


Eönwë

#1150
Slightly less innocent (maybe becoming a bit furry):
Thinlómien

#1152
But Lommy keeps on trying to get people not to look at her as suspicious, or otherwise that makes them look suspicious. She's just masking her scent... (or is she the one who can tell people by their scent?)

Did not suspect me yesterDay.

conclusion: definitely eyebrow-raising worthy behaviour, but could be newbieishness as well as wolfyness. :rolleyes:


Celuien

#1154
Slightly less suspicious:
Lommy - something felt funny about her reactions to the events yesterday, as pointed out by others. I have nothing to add to those comments.

Did not suspect me yesterDay.

conclusion: suspicious. Riding on the wave.


Summa summarum:

probably just misjudging innocents:
Legate
Durelin
Lalaith

could be either:
Eönwë
morm
sally

could very well be wolves:
Celuien
Brinn
Gwath


edit: xed with Brinn and sally

[Eönwë]

Ok, my vote is obvious

++Nilpaurion Felagund

edit: Go Da Bandwaggon! *looks at tp sideways*

x-ed with Sally onwards

[mormegil]

morm - First off, thanks for explaining. Care to elaborate/ give example? I don't get what you mean by this.

I've decided to switch off my targetting computer, as it were

Use the Force, Morm. Let go, Morm. Morm, trust me.

No other explination than the general feel and that, at least from me, is something you will have to live with and honestly you are not gaining points in my mind. If I were the seer I would dream of you or Lal.

[satansaloser2005]

Ok, my vote is obvious

++Nilpaurion Felagund

edit: Go Da Bandwaggon! *looks at tp sideways*

x-ed with Sally onwards

Sad part is, we know that the wolves are just going to pop right on in along with us. :(

Best we can do though. Need to catch the wolves one way or another.


EDIT: x'd with master morm, who is happily more talkative today (or I'm just paying him more attention than usual)

[satansaloser2005]

Eon:
Not that it matters, but did you add the little "looking at phantom" thing? Or did I just not see it? Because I swear, when I quoted your post I didn't see it on there.

Maybe I'm just going crazy....



EDIT: To avoid triple post. Battery dying, so I'm out. Sleep tight everyone!

[Thinlómien]

Though I should also mention, your very defensive nature and that you keep saying "I don't understand why everyone finds me suspicious!" is odd in itself. If those aren't good enough reasons for you, I'm sorry.You ought to be sorry. :p I'm defensive because I see there's a lot of suspicion against me and I do not plan to spend whole toMorrow debating about my innocence or the lack of it, so I'm hoping to get some of that done toDay. It seems it's not helping. :rolleyes: And I would not repeat my statement of not understanding/ being baffled if you guys weren't bringing it up. And besides, the thing I'm mostly thinking about right now is why on earth you all suspect me and does that makes you wolves and if yes, who. May very well be a waste of time but as it's so silent otherwise and people keep bringing odd/silly/feeling-based (ie odd since they should not be having those feelings) points against me.

I'm willing to move to any other topic but a lot of discussion just seems to be revolving around me (partly my fault, I know), so I prefer to take part in it, not just stand by.


edit: xed with everybody since my last post

[mormegil]

I'm willing to move to any other topic but a lot of discussion just seems to be revolving around me (partly my fault, I know), so I prefer to take part in it, not just stand by.



Partly your fault? I dare say almost wholly your fault. By no means are you a serious lynch candidate today :rolleyes: and yet you insist on proclaiming your innocence. You act as though tomorrow you will be the center of discussion which lends itself well to my thought that you are feeling a bit edgy right now. You wolves got a bit overly confident and now you are seeing the village make a good run. You are losing another of your mates tonight and your precious EW will be dead soon enough and we will have a seer to boot! I would say you are not in a pretty spot and you are feeling the heat.

[Eönwë]

Sad part is, we know that the wolves are just going to pop right on in along with us./QUOTE]
Are you calling me a wolf? Quoting me like that!


[QUOTE=satansaloser2005;558908]Eon:
Not that it matters, but did you add the little "looking at phantom" thing? Or did I just not see it? Because I swear, when I quoted your post I didn't see it on there.


no is the simple answer

[Brinniel]

Sad part is, we know that the wolves are just going to pop right on in along with us.

Best we can do though. Need to catch the wolves one way or another.
I'm pretty sure that's why phantom wanted us to post summaries before revealing Nilp (as well as to see what we thought of him before we knew he was a wolf). Once revealed, people can just pop in and vote Nilp, then leave without sharing anymore thoughts...as some have already done.

[satansaloser2005]

Are you calling me a wolf? Quoting me like that!




no is the simple answer



K good. I AM going crazy. Thanks for the confirmation.



Maybe....*shifty eyes* Not really. Notice how I said "us," brother dear.


EDIT: X'd with Brinn. And a practically dead battery.

[Eönwë]

could be newbieishness

Well, I just hope I get better.

[Thinlómien]

Ok, morm remains in the could be either category. But that lack of explanation was slightly suspicious, it looked like you had no reason to say it in the first place. :rolleyes:


edit: xed once again, with everybody

[mormegil]

Ok, morm remains in the could be either category. But that lack of explanation was slightly suspicious, it looked like you had no reason to say it in the first place. :rolleyes:


Truth is Lommy, you will never agree that any reason given would be sufficient, but I find my reasons sufficient and that is what matters to me, now if I could just find that bagel.

[Isabellkya]

Roa, I don't see how that is considered correcting yourself. When it seems to be, it is being corrected with most likely incorrect information. I still say there are only three wolves right now - not four.
In response to why I voted you - the first day, as I said it was part random/suspicion. Out of the people whom stuck out most in my head, I felt comfortable in voting for you. I do believe I answered this question pages and pages ago, when Brin had wondered about it.
The second day - it was either between you or phantom, you'd both been arguing against each other for two Days in a row. I didn't think it wise to let it alone and see if you'd work it out between yourselves. It was too much distraction for the villag

Ohkay.. this is mostly based upon yesterDay.

Greenie: I think she innocentish, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was a wolf.

Shasta: I would like to think him innocent, as he sometimes makes good points; though he does seem to have quite a number of joking/banter posts. Though again, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a furry creature whispering in his ear at night.

Lommy: Furry. She makes good points, however she did quite the waffling act yesterDay. It seemed she went from Rikae's side to the phantom/Diamond side.. slowly and reluctantly throughout the course of the Day. It gave me the feel of someone abandoning a fool-sinking ship, but trying to keep their dignity along with it.

Nilp: He has said some odd things, and until he pretty much revealed himself as having fur; I wouldn't know what to say.

Eonwe: In the I don't know realm.

Kath: Again, in the I don't know realm.

Sally: She seems innocent enough to me, though there is quite a lot of silliness. I think there is more of that, than there are of actual suspicions and directly related ww discussion.

Rikae: She is up to causing as much trouble as she can, which is fun to watch.

phantom: I find his actions suspicious. How he decides to pull his strings is annoying.

Lhuna: Realm of I am not sure.

Durelin: I would like to think innocent.

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Brin: I think she innocent with maybe a wolf gene lying dormant.

Legate: I think he is a mutated wolf-innocent. Half his body is wolf, the other is villager. He has some good points, though him trying to "save" Ag in the beginning still bothers me. Though he did have some good comments yesterDay.

Lalaith: Up until the later end of yesterDay, it seemed she was asking Roa a whole lot of questions concerning what the EW would do. The EW seemed to be more of the focus, rather than anything else. Though I do feel a bit better about her toDay.

Morm: He does some odd things. I think innocent, but if turned out furry - I wouldn't be surprised.

Celuien: No idea.

Gwath: His actions can be questionable at times, but I think his intentions are there. Whether good or not, I'm leaning towards innocent.

McCaber: His voting pattern is highly questionable. Other than that, meh.


Granted, that my initial read-through of pages 20-24, I'd been clouded with the knowledge of knowing about the reveals and Cailin's wolfness.


X'd since Lalaith's #1174.

[Thinlómien]

By no means are you a serious lynch candidate today and yet you insist on proclaiming your innocence. I already explained that I intend to dedicate time to wolf-hunting toMorrow, not just to defending myself so I'm doing some of that now so that I wouldn't have to do it toMorrow...

You act as though tomorrow you will be the center of discussionUnless tp and his seer find out any wolves, I do guess I will be, since so many are suspecting me now. (That is of course unless tp has found out my role and decides to share it with you before he duels.)

which lends itself well to my thought that you are feeling a bit edgy right now. Edgy? Not actually. I'm not worried about dying. Of course I'd prefer to live, but it's not horrible if I die. We can afford lynching an ordo toMorrow or they Day after it. I'm just (here we go again Brinn ;)) mystified by the incomprehensible amount of suspicion against me and somewhat annoyed by the level of argumentation against me (wolves best hide when lousy argumentation is around and we can't win this game if everybody's brain is asleep) and by the fact that those who suspect me don't take my arguments seriously.

I must admit my annoyance and retaliatory suspicion might be a little stupid and partly ill-based, since it's perfectly okay, acceptable and normal to suspect people based on minor reasons and gut-feelings. However, if the gut-feelings of guilt are of an innocent me, the initial reaction to me is that there's something wrong with it. (As there might very well be.)

You wolves got a bit overly confident and now you are seeing the village make a good run. You are losing another of your mates tonight and your precious EW will be dead soon enough and we will have a seer to boot! I would say you are not in a pretty spot and you are feeling the heat.My feelings have absolutely nothing to do with those of the wolves. I'm not really worried, like I said, we can afford losing an ordinary villager, even if it's someone as smart ;) as I am. And as for the wolves - I pity them, I truly do. If this game continues this way, it's hardly nice for them... (or for us, for that matter. I mean, it's nice that GW and seer find wolves but it makes the ordos feel a little useless. Well, we'll - sadly - eventually get rid of our GW and probably the seer to, so I guess there will be time when wits are sorely needed again...)


edit: xed with morm & Izzie

[Lalaith]

Anyway people, bear in mind that we are now (discounting the 2 known evils Rikae and Nilp, and 1 known goodie Phantom) 17 villagers, of which only two are wolves.
In other words, 15 against two, pretty good odds.
If Rikae manages to create another wolf tonight, that's stil 14 against three.

I think Nilp was an original wolf (trusted lieutenant, eh?) and Cailin a newer wolf. So I think our remaining wolves are one original and one new.

If Rikae does manage to get another wolf tonight, then there will be a wolf posting tomorrow who has been innocent up until now. It's worth bearing in mind when wolf-hunting.

[Eönwë]

All I can say is- at least we're not gulping down pages as fast as before (25 in 3 days)

I can't wait to see the nitpickers and werewolves misquote me on this.

[Thinlómien]

Oh, Izzie joined the club, quite sneakily. Straight to the "suspicious" actegory. I'm beginning to enjoy this. :D I just hope you can value it when you've lynched me and found out I'm innocent.

morm - thanks for saying that, there's more than a little reason in that. :D I know I'm innocent and therefore I can't consider any argument that contradicts it as truthful or good. Okay, I'll stop complaining about the level of your arguments (unless there's something totally outrageous). But don't expect me to stop complaining about the amount of suspicion against me, I still think it's alarming.


edit: xed with Lalaith and Eönwë - and I'm now handing this keyboard to Greenie. I will probably be back sometime late, but I'm not sure.

[Isabellkya]

Yes well, enjoying this type of Waffle is o.O.

[Eönwë]

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Oh, yeah. I've always had an odd feeling about her (since the beginning of this game).

edit: when you post here, you alwayd x. So why bother write who with? You'll only miss the next 10 posts.

[Lalaith]

phantom: I find his actions suspicious

Izzy: Rikae says phantom is the GW. Phantom says he is the GW. Are you saying you think he might not be?

[Roa_Aoife]

Last minute check in. I'll have to be leaving shortly.

Durelin, I share the sentiments about lists and phantom.

We can't all be Roas when it comes to analysing...

That gave me warm fuzzies. :D

As for Rikae, I think she's saying she's the EW to make us think that she's actually a wolf and lynch her. I bow low before her if she's really a wolf (who is trple or four-fold bluffing?), because that would be quite genious.

I've been thinking she was pressing that rather hard as well.

Surely that's not that bad? It simply means it's easier for us to guess whom she has picked.

Depends on how long that list is- she can only turn so many.


Morm is bugging me, alot. (Not in an annoying manner, but more in a "something's up" manner.) He keeps saying that certain people are suspicious, and yet never says why (not only Lommy). It makes me wonder if he's avoiding giving his reasons so that he can avoid committing to an opinion. Or perhaps he's not very good at manufacturing suspicion, and so is avoiding trying. Stop acting so sneaky and give a reason, morm.

Here's why Roa worries me:

I know her to be an extremely strong and loyal team player. When I was the Seer and was in trouble, in the Werepenguins game, she stood over me like an anxious Valkyrie. Her performance yesterday, after Rikae ran off, reminded a bit of that. She stayed around, she seemed to be joining the debate, but basically I got the feeling she was trying to prove that Rikae was telling the truth. Like a loyal press secretary, left in the lurch by her CEO at an Enron press conference.

I don't know, maybe I was imagining it, but that's what it felt like.

Firstly, thank you for the wonderful comparison to a Valkyrie. It really made my day. Secondly, as I responded to Izzie, I was one of the first people to doubt Rikae. I never suggested we should believe her. It was more that I was going against phantom than for Rikae. Because I didn't trust him. Even now, I'm really dragging my feet about him. Nilp is obviously evil. Phantom seems quite confidant in his position. Just something about his behavior irks me. I didn't trust Rikae, but I didn't trust phantom more.

And also suspicious for initially trusting evil-Rikae's GW impersonation yesterday.

Is anyone even really reading my posts from yesterDay? I NEVER put my trust in Rikae. I was one of the first to question her. Yes, I voted Legate, and I clearly explained why, which had nothing to do with trusting Rikae, but everything to do with testing her. Who started this idea?

Brin, I was trying to come up with all of the possibilities, because too many people were just making assumptions. I was also expressing doubt in a way that might coax her into an answer. Since no onne had yet contradicted her, I had very little reason to doubt, but a lot of reason to wonder and be confused. Questions that appear open garner more with more info than direct "I don't trust you" statements. And I was also driven by the fact that phantom, whom I had been suspicious of since Day 1, was dead set against her, with what looked to me to be the flimsy reasoning of a supposed connection that we couldn't be sure existed.

Eonwe, just ignore Rikae. She's trying to confuse/bait us.

Isabelkya: Yet you only discussed phantom on both Day 1 and 2. And yes, I can start out unconvinced of something before I am convinced. I certainly can't be convinced right away, that would be silly. But what exactly was I convinced about, and can you show me where? Or are you just going along with general and flawed consensus that I trusted Rikae... well, ever?

Lal: Someone we clearly know is evil is saying something about someone else, and you believe her?

Okay back to the classroom!

[Isabellkya]

++Nilp

Lalaith - he has lied or atleast bent the truth on a number of matters. Do I trust in everything he says 100%? No. Do I believe he has atleast some good intentions, and that there may be truth in what he says - sometimes, yes. He did prove to be atleast a bit trust worthy with giving us Cailin and Nilp (whom we shall see.)



X'd with Roa.

[A Little Green]

One quick thing that caught my attention. Izzie's analysis was slightly eyebrow-raising. It was pretty much go-with-the-flow -stuff (or else she just thinks about nearly everything in the same way with most of the village, but her phrasing seemed fishy), with a lot of those "Looks innocent, but I wouldn't be surprised if furry" -comments. Overall, the post looked somehow too forced to be genuine.

Not much else to say... I don't think I'll post any more toDay, so good Night dearies and I hope to see you toMorrow. Sweet dreams. :)


EDIT: x-ed with Izzie

[Eönwë]

The DWII goes on and on
On from the Day when it began...

Lommy, the only reason I said you were suspicious is that you keep jumping at anyone who is suspicious of you. Just slightly over-fast reactions for an ordo.
But I won't accuse you of being an evil, furry, surreptitiouss slave of the EW.

Thats all I can post for now, so goodnight!

[Durelin]

I do think we should let up on poor Eonwe about him being new, heh...must be pretty sick of being reminded of that by now. I know no one means to say new=bad, but...

Okay, now that that's out of the way, I find Eonwe's last post amusing in a couple rather different ways... :D

I'm pretty sure that's why phantom wanted us to post summaries before revealing Nilp (as well as to see what we thought of him before we knew he was a wolf). Once revealed, people can just pop in and vote Nilp, then leave without sharing anymore thoughts...as some have already done.

This was why I kept wincing when I read over the earlier part of toDay's posts, with all the pressure people were putting on phantom to reveal more information. *le sigh* Yes, he's a royal...well, fill in the blank with the worst you got, but...as I said, I see no reason not to trust the information he gives us. And I consider things like "there's one person's list I want to see in particular" as pretty blatant information.

I "agree" that Isabel's list was pretty boring and predictable. But it takes guts to be after Roa the entire game...well, not that she's been particularly fierce about it :D

[Thinlómien]

Lommy, the only reason I said you were suspicious is that you keep jumping at anyone who is suspicious of you. Just slightly over-fast reactions for an ordo.
But I won't accuse you of being an evil, furry, surreptitiouss slave of the EW.Haha, sweet mummy's boy. ;)

I think Nilp was an original wolf (trusted lieutenant, eh?) and Cailin a newer wolf. So I think our remaining wolves are one original and one new.Like Roa said, don't trust Rikae's words! But my initial thought, too, was that he was an original wolf - mostly just because he strikes me as a person someone would make an original wolf (bad reasoning, I know) and also because I don't think his playing style has changed a bit in the course of the game. Do you have any special reason to think that Cailín was a newer wolf? For I think she could have been either.

edit: when you post here, you alwayd x. So why bother write who with? You'll only miss the next 10 posts.Mostly it's a useless habit, but if everybody keeps doing it, no one has to speculate whether x saw y's post before posting z. It can be quite handy at times - both for others and the poster him/herself.

When Roa came and talked most sense I've heard in ages in this village, I had an impulse to throw myself to her feet and worship her, so to speak (or "so to exaggerate" - anyway, you know what I mean ;)). I so much hope Roa is not evil because I consider myself rather invalid to doubt her (maybe question her reasoning at times, but that's all). I know, it's veery bad.

Nice sig, Roa. :p


edit: xed with Durelin

[Brinniel]

I've noticed two people haven't voted yet: Eonwe and Legate.

I don't where the latter is, but c'mon Eonwe...I don't think you've ever voted. I know it's already quite obvious who's getting lynched, but still I think people should always vote.

[the phantom]

I'll see most of you tomorrow.

And I'm really hoping it will be the last time. :p

[Nogrod]

Okay. The Day4 ends and Nilp will die.

Narration coming quite soon.

Btw. never mod a game with two players sharing your computer. You'll never be able to actually read the thread decently to use it in the narrations or to prepare, and can see only afterwards what actually happened... :confused: :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Herbert had decided to give it a try. I feel nothing…

He took Dimmy’s figurine. She was his cousin who was always the centre of
attention when there were people around. Whenever she was present no one ever noticed him but only to hush him to be quiet or get out of the way.

He finally managed to break her figurine in his fist even if it did hurt. He didn’t have the strength and hardness of skin in his slender fingers as Mr. Hearst. It annoyed him. But it was still quite easy as he felt nothing but physical pain.

Okay… then for something completely different…

He took a deep breath.

I must be able… I must be… I feel nothing… I feel nothing…

He picked a small figurine and took it with him outside the pillbox. The sun was setting and a cold breeze caught his woollen pullover making him shiver as he climbed over the trench and up to the field. He could see their house, or what was left of it, behind the fields. It was still smoking and few spots of bright orange and red still glowed in the ruins.

He walked silently towards it pressing the figurine in his hand.

It was Neill. Or Nilby, as people used to call him. A strange person whom we would have loved to have as his uncle, or now as he had lost his own, as his father. He was the only person whom he had actually made friends in his whole life. Nilby had saved him from the bullies not a few times, calling his tormentors “rascals” and “naughty-boys”. That might have been just ridiculous but considering his presence it was the most threatening approach. The bullies were afraid of his burning eyes and grey brows, even if he wasn’t that old in the end.

It was during their evacuation from the front. The train full of evacuees and their livestock had stopped into a small station for resupplying and Nilby had accompanied him to the thickets to have a pee.

Then the fighters came.

Herbert heard their sound first and then all people were calling the alarm. Nilby took him to his arms and started running towards the treeline panting heavily as he went. Herbert caught a glimpse of the planes as they came over the treetops and started firing their machineguns. People were falling down as the cracks and bursts of the bullets ran forwards in exactly straight lines. Then he saw one line of the bullets to come straight towards them.

“Nilby!” he managed to cry.

Then he felt falling down to the ground and the adult body falling on him. He still remembered how Neill had crawled a little forwards to cover his head with his own torso from the bullets. Then there were a few nasty snap-like voices and he felt the man on him to yank aside. And there was that terrible pain in his left leg.

He had ran away. Screaming with pain and horror. And he hadn’t looked behind him.

It was only when his mother had tied the bullet-scratch in his leg he saw some people carrying a stretcher with a bloodied cloth of linen thrown over whoever it was under it that he realised that he had left Nilby there.

Herbert had received a letter from him a month later, from the central hospital nearby, as they had already settled to this dreadful place. He had never dared to open it.

Now he was pressing Nilby’s figurine firmly in his small fist already sweating. The fire had been extinguished but there were still the spots where the ashes glowed deep red. Approaching them was nightmarish as the air got hot and the smoke smart his eyes.

He threw the figurine into the glowing ashes after a long hesitation and turned to run back.

But he couldn’t. He fell to his knees and sobbed bitterly.


*~*

Finding Di’s eyeballs from the brim of the well the villagers were startled, anguished and confused.

"Well, kiddo, I'll play along. Here's my opinion on everybody:they're all wolves! Lynch them all! ... Or why don't you just lynch me? I've been all but proven to be a wolf!" Rikae yelled taking a few steps so that everyone could hear and see her.

From the gasping crowd the phantom emerged and took the lead.

"Don't speculate as to why there was only one kill. And don't believe Rikae if she decides to tell you. I will tell you myself- but later on today." He gazed around confidently.

"And don't vote yet. I have special lynching instructions that will be given to you later on today. And make a list of every villager and give your thoughts on them. Follow those three rules I gave you."

There were some murmurs on why everyone should obey him, a common sheepherder, and why was he acting like the mayor of the village. But in the end more than half of the village obeyed.

As the queries grew louder tp finally opened his mouth on the issue.

"For now, vote for Nilp. He's a Werewolf. Yes, I'm certain, so don't even ask."

And the villagers voted for Nilp unanimously, Gwath and Rikae notwithstanding.

“Now then. We only need to kill him.” the phantom said pleased with himself and how the village had followed him.

“Let me do it myself. Give me a knife pal.” Nilp suggested suddenly and looked beggingly to the sheepherder. “I’ve had my enjoyment already hearing the votes one after another: Nilp, Nilp, Nilp, Nilp, Nilp, Nilp… That’s quite enough for me. And I’ve always had some suicidal tendencies…” With that he flashed a smile revealing his canine teeth sharp as razors and big as those of a werewolf.

“Oooohhhhh!” went the crowd.

“No no! Kill me!” Rikae jumped to stand beside the ever growing werewolf.

“Don’t listen to her” people shouted in a crowd.

But before anyone had time to realise Nilp had taken the lumberjack-axe from Rikae’s hand and hit it hard to his own forehead. He hit himself at the exact moment his body started to change. The blade of the axe fell inside his body as his body bursted outwards growing in size. Then it all exploded.


*~*

Alive:

+ A Little Green, a fortune-teller - folklorist - herb-grower - unofficial therapist, advisor and midwife, most presumably a witch, the gammer (the eccentric mother of Lommy & Mac)
+ Shastanis Althreduin, astrologer/fortune teller, gaffer (Greenie's husband, father of Lommy & Mac)
+ Isabellkaya, a gammer who loves asparagus and throwing knives (Shasta's sister)

+ Thinlómien, a bird tamer, adult (married to Nilp, Macalaure's sister)
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person, 22 (their son)
+ Kath, tavern owner, 20 (their daughter, Brinn's life partner)
+ Satansaloser 2005, Lommy's assistant, 17 (their daughter)

+ Rikae, a lumberjack, adult (married to Macalaure, Roa's sister)
+ the phantom, sheep herder with Legate, 21 (their adopted son, Di's brother)

+ Lhunardawen, healer's apprentice, 20 (Cailín's daughter, good twin of Durelin)
+ Durelin, poisoner 20 (Lhuna's evil twin, daughter of Cailín)


+ Roa_Aoife, school teacher, adult (mother of Legate, Brinn and Kit, wife of Nogrod, sister of Rikae)
+ Brinniel, Greenie's apprentice, 21 (Legate's sister and Kitanna's twin sister, Kath's life partner)
+ Legate of Amon Lanc, sheep herder with tp, 19 (brother of Brinn & Kit, Sally's boyfriend, Agan's ex-bf)

+ Lalaith, chocolate maker, adult (sister of Nerwen, mother of Aganzir, Volo's daughter)

+ Mormegil, adult (son of Volo, husband of Celuien, father of Gwath and McCaber)
+ Celuien, a candle maker, adult (wife of morm, mother of Gwath and McCaber)
+ Gwathagor, a highwayman, 20 (McCaber's big brother)
+ McCaber, a henchman, 18 (Gwath's little brother, dates Aganzir)


The dead:
Eomer of the Rohirrim, adult (Cailín's husband, Lhuna's and Dury's father); An innocent beheaded by the werewolves on Night1
Nogrod, the judge, adult (Roa's husband, father of Legate, Brinn and Kit); An innocent torn in two by werewolves on Night1
Nerwen, the healer, adult (sister of Lalaith, Volo's daughter); An innocent nailed to the oak-tree on Day1.
Volo, the guy who knows everything about staying alive, the gaffer (Father of Nogrod, morm, Nerwen and Lalaith); The seer mutilated and eyes pulled off on Night2.
Kitanna, a tavern wench 21 (Legate's sister and Brinn's twin sister); An innocent ripped into pieces and thrown into the well on Night2.
Aganzir, the little match girl, 15 (Lalaith's daughter, dates McCaber); A werewolf burnt alive on Day2.
Macalaure, apple farmer, adult (married to Rikae, Lommy's brother); The ranger overpowered by four werewolves in a fight and torn to pieces on Night3.
The Ka, a dog whipper (a fatherless and ageless little child of Lalaith); An innocent impaled to a spear her doll in her hand on Night3.
Cailín, guinea pig breeder, adult (Nilp's sister); A werewolf melted into a candle-wax and burnt on Day3.
Diamond 18, dissolute, 11 (phantom's pre-teen littlesister); The seer eyes picked out (once again, what a bore...), throat slit and thrown into the well on Night4.
Nilpaurion Felagund, a house-bound sandwich-maker, adult (married to Lommy); A werewolf committed a suicide when the whole village turned against him on Day4.


Night5 has begun.

Hush everyone... except those who have a license...

[Nogrod]

Aunt Clellan accompanied her through the swarming late-night town full of drunkards and jesters, pick-pockets and celebrants, the prostitutes and the beggars to the gate of the inner city and gave the guards the bribes smiling at them heartily. The guards seemed pleased and nodded to her gracefully and smiling to Edelfried they escorted her to her quarters.

While she ascended the hollow and only scarcely lit stairs leading to her room her aunt’s words were still recurring in her head. The passing of good and evil produces in emptiness. Some try to make it a virtue and turn the world into a shameless battlefield of naked power and fight for influence. The others cling to the passion and compassion, to love. You’re on that side now my little. And thank gods for that! But it will not be easy to take part in this struggle… You will feel much pain but you must concentrate. You’ll learn to control the things happening in your dreams – and that’s real influence. Just try to feel yourself, find the way as none can teach it to you…

She finally reached her room and closed the door. After dressing her night-gown on she went to the window to look at the buzzing town below her before going to sleep. There were the noises of the city but also the growing darkness of the surrounding countryside and the mountains. It felt like the whole world had wrapped this tiny island of life and people into its embrace and was slowly pulling it firmer into its grasp.

Then there was the blackbird once again singing its sorrowful melody. Edelfried felt suddenly like crying for no particular reason. All the stories aunt Clellan had told her had taken a toll on her: the falling of Telperion and Laurelin, the kinslaying at Alqualondë, the loss of Gondolin, the story of Turin Turambar, the massacre of the five armies battle, the deceit of Saruman… She struggled not to cry aloud but the tears were falling down her cheeks.

She felt one innocent soul had again lost her life. How long will this last? How can I stop it?


*~*

The gammer came slowly downstairs to have a cup of tea. She couldn’t sleep anyhow and she knew the coals would still be hot enough for a cup of hot water to boil. She went into the kitchen and took the small kettle and turned to go for the water butt when the lowly hissing noises caught her. Her heart almost stopped with the sight. But she recovered quickly and dropping the kettle was about to pick her knives to throw at the werewolves when it all went black. Then it was just pain and darkness.

The villagers were awaken that morning with their remaining elders crying from pain.

“My sister! How can they?” the gaffer Shasta howled on the porch ripping hair from his already thinly haired crown.

“This is now getting a bit too far! Show up werewolves and I’ll show you what you deserve!” A Little Green added from the doorway and went back to clean the mess swallowing her tears.

As the villagers managed to gather around the house of the elders Greenie had almost tidied the kitchen. But everyone was able to see from the remnants what had happened. There was blood all over and pieces of flesh here and there in the kitchen.

“How vulgar!” Lommy exclaimed.

“Horrible…” whispered Eönwë.

“Brutal” echoed Kath and Sally with one voice.

“Should we bury her… I mean what’s left of her.” Celuien asked quietly.

“Let’s gather the rest of the pieces?” Lhuna suggested looking at how Greenie would take it.

They buried the pieces of Izzy left outside the gate and then came back to the village.

“Now then. A meeting at the tavern. Follow me!” morm said and the others followed.


*~*

Alive:

+ A Little Green, a fortune-teller - folklorist - herb-grower - unofficial therapist, advisor and midwife, most presumably a witch, the gammer (the eccentric mother of Lommy & Mac)
+ Shastanis Althreduin, astrologer/fortune teller, gaffer (Greenie's husband, father of Lommy & Mac)

+ Thinlómien, a bird tamer, adult (married to Nilp, Macalaure's sister)
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person, 22 (their son)
+ Kath, tavern owner, 20 (their daughter, Brinn's life partner)
+ Satansaloser 2005, Lommy's assistant, 17 (their daughter)

+ Rikae, a lumberjack, adult (married to Macalaure, Roa's sister)
+ the phantom, sheep herder with Legate, 21 (their adopted son, Di's brother)

+ Lhunardawen, healer's apprentice, 20 (Cailín's daughter, good twin of Durelin)
+ Durelin, poisoner 20 (Lhuna's evil twin, daughter of Cailín)


+ Roa_Aoife, school teacher, adult (mother of Legate, Brinn and Kit, wife of Nogrod, sister of Rikae)
+ Brinniel, Greenie's apprentice, 21 (Legate's sister and Kitanna's twin sister, Kath's life partner)
+ Legate of Amon Lanc, sheep herder with tp, 19 (brother of Brinn & Kit, Sally's boyfriend, Agan's ex-bf)

+ Lalaith, chocolate maker, adult (sister of Nerwen, mother of Aganzir, Volo's daughter)

+ Mormegil, adult (son of Volo, husband of Celuien, father of Gwath and McCaber)
+ Celuien, a candle maker, adult (wife of morm, mother of Gwath and McCaber)
+ Gwathagor, a highwayman, 20 (McCaber's big brother)
+ McCaber, a henchman, 18 (Gwath's little brother, dates Aganzir)


The dead:
Eomer of the Rohirrim, adult (Cailín's husband, Lhuna's and Dury's father); An innocent beheaded by the werewolves on Night1
Nogrod, the judge, adult (Roa's husband, father of Legate, Brinn and Kit); An innocent torn in two by werewolves on Night1
Nerwen, the healer, adult (sister of Lalaith, Volo's daughter); An innocent nailed to the oak-tree on Day1.
Volo, the guy who knows everything about staying alive, the gaffer (Father of Nogrod, morm, Nerwen and Lalaith); The seer mutilated and eyes pulled off on Night2.
Kitanna, a tavern wench 21 (Legate's sister and Brinn's twin sister); An innocent ripped into pieces and thrown into the well on Night2.
Aganzir, the little match girl, 15 (Lalaith's daughter, dates McCaber); A werewolf burnt alive on Day2.
Macalaure, apple farmer, adult (married to Rikae, Lommy's brother); The ranger overpowered by four werewolves in a fight and torn to pieces on Night3.
The Ka, a dog whipper (a fatherless and ageless little child of Lalaith); An innocent impaled to a spear her doll in her hand on Night3.
Cailín, guinea pig breeder, adult (Nilp's sister); A werewolf melted into a candle-wax and burnt on Day3.
Diamond 18, dissolute, 11 (phantom's pre-teen littlesister); The seer eyes picked out (once again, what a bore...), throat slit and thrown into the well on Night4.
Nilpaurion Felagund, a house-bound sandwich-maker, adult (married to Lommy); A werewolf committed a suicide when the whole village turned against him on Day4.
Isabellkya, a gammer who loves asparagus and throwing knives (Shasta's sister); An innocent cut down in a way too horrible to describe on Night5.


Day5 begins.

A new Day. A new hope...

[the phantom]

Ready for news, everyone? Dur was a WW, but was converted back. Spill your guts please, Dur.

Number of villagers- fourteen.

Number of WWs- two.

[the phantom]

Ah, what fun I've been having, bossing everyone around. :D

But perhaps it is time to step aside? Though it would cut me deep to leave behind my dear sweet fiance. :(

Just in case I leave today, how about we, er, go someplace a bit more private to say goodbyes, Lhuna. ;)

[the phantom]

Oh, btw, Lal was my Hunter up until the night before last when she was Ordo-ized. She could be anything now.

*waves at mother*

Hi! :)

[the phantom]

Feeling a bit suicidal today... Maybe leaning towards challenging...

14-2 is pretty good odds to leave you with. Would you villagers just like to play out the rest of this game? Perhaps we should vote on what we'd like.

[satansaloser2005]

I was wondering how long Izzy'd make it. Poor thing though. Quite a terrible fate.



Oh, and good news on the wolf front I see! Well, good news for us, anyway....




EDIT: Crap, I'm too late it seems. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, btw, Lal was my Hunter up until the night before last when she was Ordo-ized. She could be anything now.

*waves at mother*

Hi! :)




Hmmmm. Don't know if that was a necessary share. But it answers my "what the heck happened to the hunter" question.

[Thinlómien]

First Nilp and then Durelin? Both people I was semi-ready to consider innocents. My wolf-catching has obviously not been at its sharpest in this game... (although I did catch Agan and Cailín's lycantrophy was no surprise to me.)

I'm very interested to hear what Durelin has to say.

As for the latest kill - I'm surprised. I was leaning to think that Izzie was a wolf... I can't really see a reason why she was killed. The only credible-ish reason that I can think of is that the evil team trusted that she would not be protected by the ranger in any case.

We've had so many wolves revealed lately, that once Durelin tells when she was cursed (and once I have more time and am less tired, which is a lot later toDay), I will have a look at the posts of all the known wolves and try to figure when they were cursed and see which ones we might miss and who would fit the puzzle.

Laslty, I had a boring Swedish lesson toDay and thought about this village. The new thing that occured to me (I believe this has already been said though) is that I should really suspect Roa although she strikes me as innocentish: she has not been suspected much during the whole game and she's a very good player. I have slight trouble believing that kind of player would survive this far without being killed or cursed - unless she was being framed, but that sounds a little unlikely. I might be ignoring this stuff to some extent though, because I dislike suspecting people because of these kind of reasons. It always feels dishonest or unfair to me.


edit: 3xphantom and 2xsally

[satansaloser2005]

As for the latest kill - I'm surprised. I was leaning to think that Izzie was a wolf... I can't really see a reason why she was killed. The only credible-ish reason that I can think of is that the evil team trusted that she would not be protected by the ranger in any case.


Me too. Of course, half the reason I suspected her was because she wasn't dead yet.



Oh, and I've suspected Roa for a lot of the game. Nothing really to base it on, but one of those "I don't trust her" vibes.

[Thinlómien]

Phantom - I don't know how to phrase this in order not to sound ungrateful, but yes, I think you should leave us toDay, unless you have a hunch you'll be able to pull a super performance next Night too.

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom - I don't know how to phrase this in order not to sound ungrateful, but yes, I think you should leave us toDay, unless you have a hunch you'll be able to pull a super performance next Night too.

I agree. You've been awesome, yet at the same time you need your rest and it'll (sort of) put the suspense back into the game, if that makes sense. Besides, then SchizophRikaena doesn't get to make any more furry friends.

[satansaloser2005]

Wow. Lommie, stop saying the right things. I feel like a parrot. ;)



In any case, I've gotta go. I'll be back around 9 or 10 my time. Oh, wait, I'll put up voting records real quick too before I go.

[Gwathagor]

14-2 is pretty good odds to leave you with.

Yes it is, and not likely to get much better.

I'm going to hold off until Durelin shows up. Nice scry, Mr. Wizard.

[satansaloser2005]

DAY FOUR VOTES
Gwath-->Rikae at 6:01pm
Phantom-->Nilp at 8:10am
Nilp-->Nilp at 8:16am
Rikae-->Rikae at 9:27am
Morm-->Nilp at 9:47am
Roa-->Nilp at 9:51am
Lhuna-->Nilp at 10:07am
Dure-->Nilp at 11:35am
Lommie-->Nilp at 11:47am
Sally-->Nilp at 12:15pm
Cellie-->Nilp at 12:39pm
Lal-->Nilp at 12:47pm
Cabbie-->Nilp at 1:41pm
Legate-->Nilp at 1:51pm
Greenie-->Nilp at 2:04pm
Shasta-->Nilp at 2:06pm
Brinn-->Nilp at 2:42pm
Kath-->Nilp at 3:09pm
Eon-->Nilp at 4:12pm
Izzy-->Nilp at 5:05pm
No votes: No one! (for once....)



In case you've forgotten, GMT-5, innocents and wolves. Enjoy!


EDIT: x'd with Gwath

[mormegil]

I for one like the phantoms' leadership as I enjoying winning and think that he has provided us invaluable aid. So phantom did we get a seer or not? I wonder if it would be worth having one more night to get a seer.

[mormegil]

Oh, and looking at the voting record I see that Lommy jumped on the bandwagon at a very crucial time and committed Nilp to his death and that Brinn voted at a time when Nilp's death was assured...far too safe a vote in my opinion.

[Rikae]

Before you encourage tp to challenge me toDay, bear in mind - he scried Durelin last night, which means there is no seer now. He'll be leaving you with only a ranger to help you.

Not that it matters to me, but I just thought you might like to consider that. ;)

[Thinlómien]

But Gwath, surely there's plenty of things you can do even without Durelin? I, on the other hand, ;) will probably do nothing more tonight. I'm tired and I've stayed up too late so many times lately that it is probably starting to affect me... I will just quickly see if there's something interesting in the other BD threads, then come back here and see if there's something to comment and then go to sleep. *yawn*


edit: xed with mormx2 and Rikae

[Rikae]

In case you've forgotten, GMT-5, innocents and wolves. Enjoy!


I'm no mere wolf. *hmph*

[Thinlómien]

Oh, and looking at the voting record I see that Lommy jumped on the bandwagon at a very crucial time and committed Nilp to his death and that Brinn voted at a time when Nilp's death was assured...far too safe a vote in my opinion.Are you serious?

[mormegil]

I'm no mere wolf. *hmph*

Yes, you've 'marked' the most territory on this thread so to speak...well done:smokin:

[Brinniel]

Wow Izzy...that was a surprise. Mostly because she was starting to gather suspicion by some towards the end of yesterDay, as I recall...I'm not sure what to think about that. Why was she killed?

I am excited to hear from Durelin. I wonder if she was a wolf from the beginning. At the end of Day 1, I remember I was feeling a bit worried about her, but by Day 3 I had decided she was looking alright after all...silly me. :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

Oh, and looking at the voting record I see that Lommy jumped on the bandwagon at a very crucial time and committed Nilp to his death and that Brinn voted at a time when Nilp's death was assured...far too safe a vote in my opinion.
Yeah, and who else was I going to vote for? Seriously, the only reason I did not vote before then is because I hadn't been online since Nilp's role was revealed until that time.

Anyways, I find it rather silly to suspect anyone based on yesterDay's voting. Since Nilp basically confessed, pretty much everyone voted for him. Two wolves can be anywhere in that bandwagon...it doesn't matter when.

[Durelin]

Meh. I was a wolf from Night 2 on, and I was enjoying it. But I was doing too well, apparently, because phantom wanted me as a seer. Hah. Even fooled the almighty Good Wizard completely!

Rather wish you had just killed me, Rikae. Oh, did phantom maybe have his ranger protect me? Ooh I feel so special now!

Do I have to be innocent now? Do I really have to help you villagers? :( :p

And uh, Isabel was probably killed because she was a ranger-guess. Better to scry for a new wolf than bother trying to scry the ranger when you can just try to kill them.

[Celuien]

I'll be sorry to see the phantom go - he and the team have been doing an incredible job of thwarting the evil plans afoot here. I've appreciated the help greatly. But at the same time, this might be the best timing for a duel, since it is now a 14:2 ratio and it shouldn't be too hard to find the last couple of wolves - the sheer numbers should give enough time for the village to do some good reasoning, and I'd rather not have the extra wolf around if Rikae-the-bad gets another night to do her dirty work.

Besides, Rikae said this:

Before you encourage tp to challenge me toDay, bear in mind - he scried Durelin last night, which means there is no seer now. He'll be leaving you with only a ranger to help you.

So I guess she's hinting she doesn't want a duel... and I'm all about not doing a single thing she says. :p

Time for a little break. :smokin:

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh, and looking at the voting record I see that Lommy jumped on the bandwagon at a very crucial time and committed Nilp to his death and that Brinn voted at a time when Nilp's death was assured...far too safe a vote in my opinion.

We can't all be the crucial vote. And it would have been more suspicious had she voted for someone else. I don't know where you're going with this Morm. It seems really manufactured.

Anyways, yes Dur, you have to be innocent now. If there is a challenge today, then you'll be stuck as an innocent to the end. And if the Ranger did protect you last Night, then you'll be a goner toNight. Of course, there's the chance that the good team bluffed and protected someone else, but do you really want to count on that?

On the one hand, a seer is very important to the village. On the other, we have Durelin now, and we only have two wolves. The odds are definitely on our side toDay. ToMorrow, they may not be.

We should be watching Lal carefully from now on. She was a gifted, and last Night, she could have been turned into a wolf to reveal all her secrets to the EW. (It's what I would have done.)

[satansaloser2005]

For Morm:

Before you encourage tp to challenge me toDay, bear in mind - he scried Durelin last night, which means there is no seer now. He'll be leaving you with only a ranger to help you.

Not that it matters to me, but I just thought you might like to consider that. ;)


What she said. I think a Seer WOULD be handy, but if phantom wants to challenge toDay, I think we could get along without one. I'm fine either way.

[mormegil]

*sigh* I was being facetious, but it was fun to see the reactions. Of course I realize that the voting record tells us little if anything but I did crack up at the resonses, so thanks.

[satansaloser2005]

*sigh* I was being facetious, but it was fun to see the reactions. Of course I realize that the voting record tells us little if anything but I did crack up at the resonses, so thanks.



Well, yeah, but I always do them anyway....just in case they DO turn out to be handy.



Bah. One of the downsides of losing Phantom? We lose the amusement and basicallly endless flow of posts. ;) *is bored*

[Roa_Aoife]

*sigh* I was being facetious, but it was fun to see the reactions. Of course I realize that the voting record tells us little if anything but I did crack up at the resonses, so thanks.

See, that's why we use smilies. :rolleyes: We can't hear tone or see expression, after all.

[satansaloser2005]

Wait a minute. I think I've just made an important discovery. I didn't think it was possible, but it turns out I was wrong. This could change the WORLD!




Morm can kid?




:p

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, I'm glad Gwath didn't vote for Nilp yesterday. I'm determined to be the first unanimous lynchee in Werewolf history. :p

Dur, start talking. *pokes with pitchfork*

[mormegil]

See, that's why we use smilies. :rolleyes: We can't hear tone or see expression, after all.

I thought this :smokin: was sufficient...if I did more it wouldn't have been as funny for me:rolleyes:

[mormegil]

Anyway, on a more serious note, I think Lommy has changed her tone. I always find it interesting how some will change style based upon what others have stated. I feel that her behavior is trying to counter what I said about her yesterday.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, I'm glad Gwath didn't vote for Nilp yesterday. I'm determined to be the first unanimous lynchee in Werewolf history. :p

Dur, start talking. *pokes with pitchfork*

*shakes head in mock exasperation, and in genuine amusement*

Want to get started on that? (++....) ;)





Okay, I know Rikae is guilty and it's been obvious for a while, but I'm wondering why Gwath voted her, LITERALLY, a minute after the narration. Especially since she's the EW, and lynching her would do nothing. It seems off to me, like he's trying too hard to do the right or the "innocent" thing.


EDIT: I lied. It was two minutes after the narration. But you get the point anyway.

[the phantom]

You're on my side now, Dur. Is there anything helpful you can offer? How much did the EW tell you?
because phantom wanted me as a seer
Kind of. I made a list of four people that were potential WWs but not obviously suspicious and so would also stand a decent chance of surviving if turned into the Seer.

Yes, a Seer would certainly be handy, but at the same time 14-2 is a really nice set up. You can lynch incorrectly five times with that ratio.

I mean, sure, I could very well have a fantastic night and introduce my Seer and Ranger to each other and leave the village tomorrow, but you still have a good chance of winning with the village as it is, and there is no guarantee of how the Night will go. We might have yet another trade- she makes a WW, I uncurse a WW, and what would be the use of that? Plus I think things would be much more entertaining for most of you with Rikae and I out of the way.

And I could finally catch up on sleep. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

You're on my side now, Dur. Is there anything helpful you can offer? How much did the EW tell you?

Kind of. I made a list of four people that were potential WWs but not obviously suspicious and so would also stand a decent chance of surviving if turned into the Seer.

Yes, a Seer would certainly be handy, but at the same time 14-2 is a really nice set up. You can lynch incorrectly five times with that ratio.

I mean, sure, I could very well have a fantastic night and introduce my Seer and Ranger to each other and leave the village tomorrow, but you still have a good chance of winning with the village as it is, and there is no guarantee of how the Night will go. We might have yet another trade- she makes a WW, I uncurse a WW, and what would be the use of that? Plus I think things would be much more entertaining for most of you with Rikae and I out of the way.

And I could finally catch up on sleep. :rolleyes:




Exactly. If nothing else, the game shouldn't keep you from feeling okay, so I'm definitely up for a Wizard challenge toDay.

Besides, if she makes another wolf then it makes the game....well, basically a standard game but without a seer.

Meh. Do whatever you want, Phantom, oh favorite cousin of mine. (What? Half of them are dead!)

[the phantom]

Anyway, I'm going to watch some more of the Lakers-Celtics game, then shower, then bed.

I'll check the thread briefly tonight and again in the morning.

If I decide to challenge I'm going to do it last minute without giving Nogrod any warning.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Meh. I'd like a Seer but I seem to be in the minority. :p

(and mostly that's just Shasta-wants-a-role-for-once talking.)

[satansaloser2005]

I wonder if Rikae WOULD have scried Lal into a wolf. I mean, would she be that obvious? I think she'd just be happy to get a gifted out of the way. What do you all think?




Anyway, I'm going to watch some more of the Lakers-Celtics game, then shower, then bed.

I'll check the thread briefly tonight and again in the morning.

If I decide to challenge I'm going to do it last minute without giving Nogrod any warning.

You're a terrible person, you know that? :p


Nightie night, Phantom. Sleep well.

[the phantom]

Ha ha! I wouldn't really do that to the mighty ModGod. :D

G'nite!