Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[satansaloser2005]

Meh. I'd like a Seer but I seem to be in the minority. :p

(and mostly that's just Shasta-wants-a-role-for-once talking.)




Don't get me wrong, I'd like one too. But I think we could do without one. (Unless you were planning on scrying me, that is. I love being Seer....hint hint)




EDIT: x'd with Phantom. (I think he'd kill you....;) Go to bed!)

[Roa_Aoife]

I wonder if Rikae WOULD have scried Lal into a wolf. I mean, would she be that obvious? I think she'd just be happy to get a gifted out of the way. What do you all think?


She may have in order to get the information that she holds (if she knows the ranger, etc), and counted on us thinking it was too obvious.

[Roa_Aoife]

Of course, if Lal is a werwolf, then toDay is her first Day as a baddie. Seeing as she hasn't even posted yet, I'll wait on that line of thought. I don't have a great deal of time, but someone should analyze Rikae's posts. She was willing to risk revealing to save Cailin. She may have done some other things in favor of her wolves.

We needn't wait for Durelin. I'll hopefully be back soon.

[satansaloser2005]

the phantom 157
satansaloser2005 104
Thinlómien 81
Roa_Aoife 77
Rikae 76
Brinniel 71
Shastanis Althreduin 65
Legate of Amon Lanc 63
Lalaith 47
Durelin 42
Gwathagor 40
mormegil 37
Lhunardawen 29
A Little Green 20
Eönwë 18
Kath 13
Celuien 12
McCaber 10


Basically, this is to say that if you have less than....erm, say 25 posts, please post some more.

And Cabbie, are you really busy or something? Everything okay? You're normally not this quiet. Or maybe you're just furry....Hmmmm....

[satansaloser2005]

Okay fine, don't post. I need to get to bed anyway, so this is to let you know I'll be back in about....erm....10-11 hours, if I feel like getting up in the morning (not likely, as I have a huge headache and my heart's being....well, stupid) and if I'm not in then I'll be in about 4 hours pre deadline.



Hoping to see you all then. Until then, good night, and sleep well dearies.




EDIT: Happy belated 500th post to MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *toddles off for real now*

[McCaber]

Cabbie, are you really busy or something? Everything okay? You're normally not this quiet. Or maybe you're just furry....Hmmmm....
Well, sally, I have some rather sad news to break (sad for me at least). No, my life is just fine. But you might have noticed that half of my posts are votes and the other half are complaining about my internet. That same internet has gotten bad enough for me that I probably will have to bow out of this game. So if I haven't reported back in about 12 hours, you can count me among the dead.

I guess the only benefit is that the village will lose a lot of confusion and almost no information since I haven't had the time to do any thinking at all.

[goes off to post something in the admin thread]

[Durelin]

You're on my side now, Dur.

No, no I'm not.

++Celuien.

That's all I really know that you all don't already.

[Gwathagor]

1st: I've been wondering: do we know for sure that that Rikae "revealed" to save Cailin (as Roa says), or is it only coincidental that Rikae "revealed" shortly after tp, McCaber, and myself expressed suspicion of Cailin? It seems odd that the EW would do pull a crazy stunt like pretending to be the GW in order to save a werewolf who hadn't even been voted against yet. And it's not as if Cailin was indispensable to the EW. Maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm still curious.


2nd: Durelin, are you saying that you know Celuien to be a wolf, for certain? If so, how do you know? Or are you merely suspicious? (I couldn't really tell from your post.)

[Gwathagor]

Okay, I know Rikae is guilty and it's been obvious for a while, but I'm wondering why Gwath voted her, LITERALLY, a minute after the narration. Especially since she's the EW, and lynching her would do nothing. It seems off to me, like he's trying too hard to do the right or the "innocent" thing.


3rd: Yeah, about that. *awkward*

I kind of assumed that Rikae was a wolf rather than EW until mid-yesterDay, went tp basically affirmed her to be, in fact, the latter. I also assumed that everybody thought of Rikae the same way as myself, and I reckoned I'd vote as soon as I could. Why waste time discussing a foregone conclusion?

My other reason for voting as soon as I possibly could was just for the heck of it. To say I'd done it, I suppose.

[Gwathagor]

Shasta: I would like to think him innocent, as he sometimes makes good points; though he does seem to have quite a number of joking/banter posts. Though again, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a furry creature whispering in his ear at night.

Lommy: Furry. She makes good points, however she did quite the waffling act yesterDay. It seemed she went from Rikae's side to the phantom/Diamond side.. slowly and reluctantly throughout the course of the Day. It gave me the feel of someone abandoning a fool-sinking ship, but trying to keep their dignity along with it.

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Lalaith: Up until the later end of yesterDay, it seemed she was asking Roa a whole lot of questions concerning what the EW would do. The EW seemed to be more of the focus, rather than anything else. Though I do feel a bit better about her toDay.

Morm: He does some odd things. I think innocent, but if turned out furry - I wouldn't be surprised.



I hope I'm not stating the obvious too much.

These are the people Isabellkya was most suspicious of yesterDay, according to her suspicion-list. It is possible that the wolves saw something here they didn't like, and so silenced Isabellkya. It is equally possible that they intended to frame someone Isabellkya found suspicious by killing her.

I'll post again in the morning before I go to work; I haven't the slightest idea how I'll vote yet. The past couple of days have drained all my independent thoughts and suspicions, and made me dependent on the instructions of wizards and gifteds and things. I'm going to have to relearn the art of actually suspecting people.
:p

[mormegil]

the phantom 157
satansaloser2005 104
Thinlómien 81
Roa_Aoife 77
Rikae 76
Brinniel 71
Shastanis Althreduin 65
Legate of Amon Lanc 63
Lalaith 47
Durelin 42
Gwathagor 40
mormegil 37
Lhunardawen 29
A Little Green 20
Eönwë 18
Kath 13
Celuien 12
McCaber 10


Basically, this is to say that if you have less than....erm, say 25 posts, please post some more.

And Cabbie, are you really busy or something? Everything okay? You're normally not this quiet. Or maybe you're just furry....Hmmmm....

And if you have more than 100 perhaps you should post less;)

[mormegil]

1st: I've been wondering: do we know for sure that that Rikae "revealed" to save Cailin (as Roa says), or is it only coincidental that Rikae "revealed" shortly after tp, McCaber, and myself expressed suspicion of Cailin? It seems odd that the EW would do pull a crazy stunt like pretending to be the GW in order to save a werewolf who hadn't even been voted against yet. And it's not as if Cailin was indispensable to the EW. Maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm still curious.


2nd: Durelin, are you saying that you know Celuien to be a wolf, for certain? If so, how do you know? Or are you merely suspicious? (I couldn't really tell from your post.)


Honestly, this post just screamed guilty to me. But I'm going to trust what Durelin said and vote now. I won't be around tomorrow at all as I have an all day conference I need to attend. I may have 15 minutes in the morning but it won't be enough to catch up and I think Durelin knows that Celulien is a wolf. What Gwath said seems to me that he knows too but wants to sound naive about it.

++Celulien

[Durelin]

Yes, yes, she's a wolf. The only wolf I know, because the second wolf was picked up just this last Night.

[Lalaith]

Overslept this morning, so only time to read first few posts....see phantom outed me...I'm still alive, still an ord...he wouldn't have told me who the Ranger was anyway cos I got scried the same night.
Durelin, eh - that was a good catch!
Now I'm really late...I'll be back about 5pm UK time.

[Brinniel]

My, my, it's awfully quiet here. At least compared to what it's been these last several Days...

++Celuien.

That's all I really know that you all don't already.
So, should we all believe Durelin on this piece of information? I know she's innocent and all, but it doesn't necessarily mean she is on the good side. For all we know, she could be voluntarily playing the role of cobbler. Yes, yes, I'm having trust issues again... :rolleyes:

Though I suppose it'd be better just to lynch Celuien. We can question Durelin all we want, but we won't know for sure until Celuien's role is proven. If Durelin's telling the truth, we're down another wolf with just one left. And if she's lying, well....we'll have lost an innocent, but the good news is we'd still be at an advantage compared to the situation the wolves are in.

phantom: I'd really like to see you challenge toDay. As much of a help this is to the village, considering we'll only have 1 or 2 wolves by the end of the Day, I think we can handle the rest on our own...plus I'd rather not see an extra wolf pop up overNight. And as others stated, this is starting to get slightly boring and I want the suspense again. Perhaps that's why I'm having trust issues...it's not as much fun when someone tells you, "That's person's a wolf, lynch them." It's nice help at first, but not really now three days in a row...

Anyways now that I've doubted Durelin, I'm sure Celuien's gonna come out of nowhere and say, "Mwhaha, I'm a wolf. Lynch me!" ;)

[A Little Green]

Morning sweethearts!

I'm inclined to trust Dury about Celuien. (Partly because I thought she might be wolf already before Dury told us so..) Therefore my vote toDay will probably go for Cel.

Also, I agree with most of you folks in that the duel might be better toDay than toMorrow. If Celuien is indeed a wolf and we lynch her toDay, we'll have probably 13-1 toMorrow unless the ranger manages a save, in which case the ratio would be 14-1 ! (Please correct me if my math is faulty...) That's not too difficult to manage even without a seer.

morm: Anyway, on a more serious note, I think Lommy has changed her tone. How? I can't see any change in her tone..

[A Little Green]

it's not as much fun when someone tells you, "That's person's a wolf, lynch them." It's nice help at first, but not really now three days in a row... I couldn't agree more. It's been really useful as the village probably wins now, but it's really getting quite dull. There's one additional reason for having the duel toDay.

Bah. I have nothing more to say at the moment - I'll be away now but back as soon as I find something more useful to say. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I see there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

I have no reason to wonder about Durelin lying - she is innocent now. I am sure she does not want to be a cobbler, but she is going to be a hero! C'mon...

As for the duel... a Seer would be nice, but on the other hand, now there's just one Wolf left, right? I say, Mr._____, that you should go and face the monster. Good luck!

As far as that goes, this is (once again :rolleyes: ) probably the last from me toDay. I am really busy these days.

++Celuien

All right, keep it up, folks...

Hm, and apologies to Lommy. If you were innocent all the time :rolleyes: (but unless you are morphed toDay :p )

[Celuien]

What?!? :eek: I think I'm being set up by EW misinformation.

Let's think for a second here. Dury has no reason to lie about 'revealing' me, but the problem is that the information is just plain incorrect. That's all there is to it.

While the EW is still here, the wolves would have had no reason to communicate with each other, since she would ultimately make all the final decisions anyway - so why risk EXACTLY this scenario where a wolf becomes an ordo and reveals the packmates? Rikae probably did tell Dury that I'm a wolf, but lied about it. This is perfect revenge for losing a wolf... the cured WW 'reveals' a packmate who's actually an innocent villager and then gets the village to kill one of its own for her while the last two wolves and the EW laugh about it. :rolleyes:

You have no more reason to believe me than Dury. Probably less, since I don't have confirmed innocent status, so I'm probably doomed anyway. But before you all jump on the bandwagon and lynch me, think about the possibility that this is an EW back up plan. Which I know it is, since I know I'm not a wolf. You're all losing a chance to go real-wolf hunting today.

[Celuien]

I have to go to work now, and the Downs is blocked there... unless I can find a way to slip to another access area over lunch, I won't be back until about an hour before the deadline. But for now, remember this...

I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.

Everyone say that 50 times. Especially you, Leggy. ;)

[Celuien]

*points at post above and directions to Leggy*

And you remember that too, morm and Dury, after you find out I'm just a poor innocent candle maker. :mad:

[mormegil]

I have to go to work now, and the Downs is blocked there... unless I can find a way to slip to another access area over lunch, I won't be back until about an hour before the deadline. But for now, remember this...

I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.
I am not a wolf.

Everyone say that 50 times. Especially you, Leggy. ;)

Got it! I told myself that 50 times. I thought about the possibility of a backup plan but I think the simple fact is there will be a huge cloud over you until we find out your indentity for sure. Dur, when did Rikae tell you Celulien was a wolf? That may make a difference. Anyway, I won't have any time today that I know of to post I would like to hear from the phantom one more time and get his list since he asked us to give a list.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, sally, I have some rather sad news to break (sad for me at least). No, my life is just fine. But you might have noticed that half of my posts are votes and the other half are complaining about my internet. That same internet has gotten bad enough for me that I probably will have to bow out of this game. So if I haven't reported back in about 12 hours, you can count me among the dead.

I guess the only benefit is that the village will lose a lot of confusion and almost no information since I haven't had the time to do any thinking at all.

[goes off to post something in the admin thread]



Oh noes! I was afraid it was something like that. :(




*check-in post*

Hmmmm. I'm inclined to believe Dure. I mean, why would she lie? I'll think about it for a while though, and come back on a break to make up my mind. For now, I've got to go. Expect me in around 4 hours. Bye all.

[Gwathagor]

What Gwath said seems to me that he knows too but wants to sound naive about it.

Because it's super naive to ask HOW Durelin knows that Celuien is a wolf. :rolleyes: Did the EW tell her? If so, the EW may very well have lied to her in order that, should Durelin be ordo-ized, we would end up lynching an innocent. It is a distinct possibility and should be considered. That sounds sensible rather than naive. Are you sure you're not trying to hard to make me sound suspicious, morm?

[Roa_Aoife]

If Durelin speaks the truth (and I don't quite doubt her except for this strange dream I had last Night, but that was more about phantom... no, not like that.... I'll write about it in the dream thread after this game is over) and the wizards have their duel, then toMorrow, we'll be starting from scratch with a village of 12, one of which is a wolf, and one of which is a ranger. It will almost be a clean slate since the new wolf was just turned last Night and toDay is the first chance to act evil. Only Rikae knows who it is, and I doubt she'll talk.

Sounds interesting. Let's do it. :cool:

++Celuien

Phantom, go ahead and challenge. Tomorrow the village can really start to rock out.

Edit: Cross posted- Oh no! McCaber! Okay, tomorrow will have 9 ordos, 1 wolf, and 1 ranger.

[Gwathagor]

I have to go to work very soon, which means I won't be able to deliberate about my vote as much as I'd like to.

Are we certain that we don't want to look around a bit more before lynching Celuien, just to be safe?

I'll vote in a couple minutes.

[Gwathagor]

All right, Durelin, I'm going to take your word for this one. However, I'm still curious HOW you know Celuien is a wolf.

++Celuien

[Celuien]

Durelin, I'm going to take your word for this one.
No, no. It's Rikae's word on this. I'm sure. And nassty evil wizardses lies about uss, they does! Gollum.

%% Rikae for setting this all up!

And no, that's not a real vote... I'd use the division signs, but that seems too cruel.

I've got about 5-10 more minutes that I can use sitting over here before returning to the blocked zone again...

[Durelin]

How else do you think? The EW and the GW have complete control over what their minions know (or are told) and what they don't know.

I communicated with Celuien and Nilp on Night 4. And we were such a good team... Had phantom figured out, and then Rikae scried Lalaith to essentially confirm.

[Celuien]

Ok. I'm out of here for for the next 6 hours. Catch you then...

[Celuien]

I communicated with Celuien and Nilp on Night 4. And we were such a good team...

Well, that clinches it. Just when I thought I could pull off some bluffing.

Yes. Yes, we were a good team. :mad:

function.chaos()

<!-- channeling Nilp --//

I'm a wolf! Lynch me! Wheeee!

Shut up, you'll get us killed...

Already going to happen!

//close channeling -->

See you later, darlings, with some revelations! I know who the last wolf is! And I'm not telling... or am I? Bwahahahaha.

[Eönwë]

Wow, there really isn't that much to say. Remember the "good old days" of this thread, when there were so many posts you couldn't read them at one time?

[Thinlómien]

++Celuien

These confessing wolves start to be pretty boring, eh? :D

A thought. Tp probably knows a bunch of ordos. Would it make sense that he'd reveal them to us before he goes? We could remove those couple of people from our suspicion lists but on the other hand, the remaining wolf would have a handy short-list for killing. There are both sides in this issue, but I'm inclined to prefer tp giving us the names, because as long as we have ranger, she has a bigger cahnce to make a save is she can guess who the wolf is going to kill and if we have more than just one known innocent, the kill does reveal something (unlike normal known innocent kills): we can always speculate why the very person in question was killed, why not some/the other.

Anyway, on a more serious note, I think Lommy has changed her tone. I always find it interesting how some will change style based upon what others have stated. I feel that her behavior is trying to counter what I said about her yesterday.Unlike Greenie, I probably know what you mean. Less defensive then late yesterDay, am I? Well, there is quite a simple reason: no one has been accusing me this far toDay. But I don't understand what that has to do with your words about me yesterDay, all you really said was that "proving innocence" thing I did not understand and you refused to explain...

I think morm's arguments are a bit hastily-constructed and thus suspicious, but I wouldn't go as far as to suggest that he's the last wolf. (He could be, though.)

Now... let's hunt some wolf.
Hm, and apologies to Lommy. If you were innocent all the timeHaha, apology accepted. But I wouldn't mix apologies with ww...not really needed and can get you lynched, you know... ;)

[Lalaith]

Blimey....I was expecting a great flood when I got home and I find a trickle.

These confessing wolves start to be pretty boring

I know what you mean, it's starting to feel like an AA meeting.
"My name is Celuien/Nilp/Rikae and I am a very evil person"

Right-ho.
++Celeuien

So it looks like I was wrong about Lommy being wolfy before, in that we've now got rid of everything but the new wolf. Sorry Lommy. I expect you're so cross you expect me to call you you Thinlomien now. :(
And I don't think you're the new wolf either. You were under too much suspicion yesterday. Not only have I lost my superpowers, I've been totally off on two counts this game, thinking Cel was innocent and Lommy so very furry. Gah. Oh well, at least Durelin was on my list of suspects. (I can't claim Rikae and Cailin as we knew about them already when I made my list)

[the phantom]

+ + Celuien

How interesting. Cel was also on my scry list of four along with Durelin. So was Izzy, the kill choice of the WWs. Rikae and I have had eerily similar thinking throughout this game. :eek:

All right then. If Cel proves to be a WW then we'll be down to one.

Yes, yes... I should definitely challenge.

Lommy- I only know two innocents. One is Durelin, and the other is the Ranger. And I'm not telling that.

There are two people that I know used to be innocent, but there is no guarantee that they are now. One is Lal, obviously- the former Hunter.

[Thinlómien]

Lommy- I only know two innocents. One is Durelin, and the other is the Ranger. And I'm not telling that.

There are two people that I know used to be innocent, but there is no guarantee that they are now. One is Lal, obviously- the former Hunter.Oh, I had forgotten that the those who have been dreamt of can be turned evil later. Silly me. :rolleyes:

Sorry Lommy. I expect you're so cross you expect me to call you you Thinlomien now.
:D *whispers* I actually enjoy being suspected and accused (not getting lynched, though). ;) Anyway, I wouldn't be too sure if I were you: I could have been cursed last Night, if Rikae wanted to be extra cunning and take a big risk.

[Rikae]

I just wanted to apologize to Noggie and all the players fro not providing a good game. I really shouldn't have applied to be a wizard - I overestimated my abilities. :(

[the phantom]

I think the only problem you had, Rikae, was the thing that caused me problems. We both were making very similar choices.

We both thought of Cai, Nilp, Lal, Cel, and Dur for WWs. That's downright scary to be that similar.

And then between you and your WW's daytime behavior you managed to out three members of the good team, killed three and changed one.

I had plans to leave the village with three gifteds. You had plans to leave the village with lots of WWs. Neither of us could pull it off.

And your final WW still could go the distance. One has done it alone before I know.

[A Little Green]

++ Celuien

(Did I promise to come back with ideas? If so, I'll have to disappoint you, for I have none. :()

I just wanted to apologize to Noggie and all the players fro not providing a good game. I really shouldn't have applied to be a wizard - I overestimated my abilities. Nonsense, dear daughter-in-law, absolute nonsense. :)

[Celuien]

These confessing wolves start to be pretty boring, eh? :D

Boring? Hmmph. I'm offended. Wasn't that Nilp channel entertaining, at least? :p

If I give everyone a lifetime supply of candles and cheese (mmm... cheese), can I stay? Please? I won't snack on any villagers tonight... unless I'm really hungry.

By the way, Shasta is the last wolf. Seriously. I'm only telling you because I know you won't believe me... and then victory will be ours because you'll never lynch someone I tell you is a wolf!

I'm determined to be the first unanimous lynchee in Werewolf history

Sorry, but I'm equally determined to beat you to being the first unanimous lynchee. Besides, you have to win the game for us, so you can't be lynched at all. So there.

++ Celuien

Hey, Nilp imitation is fun.

[Lalaith]

not providing a good game

Hey. Saturday was an absolute hoot. Honestly.

[satansaloser2005]

I just wanted to apologize to Noggie and all the players fro not providing a good game. I really shouldn't have applied to be a wizard - I overestimated my abilities. :(

On the contrary, you were excellent. At the very least, you were amusing to read once you'd been outted. Nicely done, sweetie. If you weren't bad, I'd be sad to see you go. :)





Oh, you want me to vote? Why ever for? :p



++Cel



I'll most likely be gone for the rest of the Day, so Wizards, make the challenge fun! Nice playing with both of you. And for the rest of you, I'll (hopefully) see you toMorrow.

[Eönwë]

Oh yes, my vote (in case you hadn't guessed):

++Celuien

[Kath]

Well, alright.

++CELUIEN

Yeah, if there's a Seer as of toNight I think the Wizards disappearing might be good. Rikae doesn't appear to be having a good time and it is getting a little dull having nothing to do other than turn up and all vote for one person.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Rikae

Celuien's going to be lynched anyway, and I don't want it to be unanimous. :p THAT'S for revealing me! How could you!

(incaseyoucouldn'ttellthisissarcasm:rolleyes:)

[Durelin]

This has been an awesome game! (Really awesome until I received that accursed PM telling me I'd been 'de-wolfed'!) You're genius, Rikae. You've taken out two seers, a ranger, and de-gifted a hunter. Without being scried and revealing yourself, you would have skated by unnoticed for however long you wished. You had a plan to reveal the GW without wasting a scry, and it worked, even though the goodies tried to keep things under wraps.

Thinking the same way, picking the same people was a problem. And of course it has come out on the GW's side because the GW basically has two ways to find out people's roles - scrying and their Seer. The EW has to be vastly different or much luckier than the GW to completely devestate the village.

If I hadn't gotten scryed, even with a Seer, I was confident we would do well. We had this. But I was worried about getting scried. I rather wished not everyone seemed to like me so much, but I wasn't really trying to make sure people liked me. I was mostly playing how I felt.

I was very very very tempted to just be a cobbler, because I think the baddies deserve to win more. They've been the ones competing, the goodies have just been lucky and had things handed to them. :p I considered telling you that yeah, you're right, Lommy is a wolf, but I didn't know if Lommy would ever forgive me for that, and...you're right, I'm just an ordinary villager now.

But anyway, it's not over yet! So shush!

Oh Cel, you're amazing. :D

[the phantom]

Goodbye everyone. I'm preparing to challenge.

Good luck!

[the phantom]

They've been the ones competing, the goodies have just been lucky and had things handed to them.
I think not. My scries and dreams were just as intentional as your scries and kills. ;)

[Rikae]

++the phantom

for being too chicken to give us both one more night and make the game more interesting. :p

[Brinniel]

Anyways now that I've doubted Durelin, I'm sure Celuien's gonna come out of nowhere and say, "Mwhaha, I'm a wolf. Lynch me!"
I'm a wolf! Lynch me! Wheeee!
See? Seee? :rolleyes:

++Celuien

I was very very very tempted to just be a cobbler, because I think the baddies deserve to win more.
Well at least now I know my thought that you could be playing cobbler isn't totally out there...

[Rikae]

Seriously, I can't imagine it'll be that much fun for the remaining people with one wolf and a ranger running around directionless... it would be more fun to watch with more roles (on both sides).

[Rikae]

Let's just each choose an additional minion and duel at dawn. :smokin:

*slaps tp with a glove*

[the phantom]

I think not, mother. This ends today.

You might create another WW during the Night and kill my Seer or Ranger.

Or perhaps I will create a Seer, you will ungift my Ranger, and I will dream of the last WW.

Things could go very well or very poorly. There's no way to know. But what I do know is that the village will probably be crazier and more talkative tomorrow if we were to exit it today.

And I also know that I'd be able to catch up on work and sleep. Being a Wizard is tiring. Here comes the challenge...

[the phantom]

The EW and her WWs killed two villagers to begin, and lynched an innocent. And then they killed the Seer.

The GW countered by dreaming of a WW and lynching her.

The EW responded by killing the new Seer.

The GW lynched another WW.

The EW ungifted the Hunter.

The GW uncursed a WW.

Back and forth went the battle, and each wizard grew frustrated. And when the identities were revealed, it all became clear.

"I should have known it was mother!" said the phantom. "I knew I had to have this magical gift from somewhere. What a pity that she is evil."

"Tis my own son foiling me!" said Rikae. "What a waste of talent! Were he willing to be evil I could help train him to his full potential."

But there would be no compromise between the two. The mother wanted destruction, the son wanted life. And so with a heavy heart, the son stood forth to challenge his mother- to end the madness once and for all, though it would likely mean the death of them both.

Rikae! Let us duel!

[Roa_Aoife]

Don't be silly, Rikae. You've done the legacy justice. I was never able to spot gifted the way you did this game. Seers are the evil team's worst nightmare, because you can't really talk your way out of a dream.

++Rikae

Celuien's going to be lynched anyway, and I don't want it to be unanimous.

Ha! Take that Celuien! The title will be mine!!!!!

So the past few days have been a tad silly, with there being so little to debate. I'd like to remind the village (especially Morm, who keeps bringing up previous behavior before toDay) that the last werewolf was just scried last Night. Besides Rikae, Celuien, and Durelin, everyone was innocent before toDay. Please keep that in mind toMorrow when we start wolf-hunting for ourselves again.

And oh look, the duel has started.... *grabs popcorn and plops down to watch*

[Nogrod]

After the more or less private discussion with his mom the phantom stood out from the crowd and called for everyone’s attention. “Ah, what fun I've been having, bossing everyone around. But perhaps it is time to step aside?”

He made a rhetorical pause not thinking anyone would indeed answer him.

“I think things would be much more entertaining for most of you with mom and I out of the way.”

Rikae came forwards meeting her son at the well surrounded by all the villagers.

“So let’s do it, shall we? This has gone on for too long…” She replied and stared at the tp.

”Okay. You have two possibilities. Surrender, give up your minion for me to scry back to normal and leave for good… or die.”

“Even if I’ve not lived up to my expectations… or yours… do you really think I will give you that choice now that you have disgraced my name and the name of our family as one that doesn’t hold together?”

“No I don’t. But I thought of offering it to you to look like I was ready to be fair with you. We have been thinking eerily similar throughout this ordeal and I sense you’re ready to go as well.”

“That’s convenient for you to say so...being so gracious now. And yes, I’ve remarked the same thing. We in the family seem to be alike. But remember that even if you feel you’re on top of things now doesn’t mean all those “yes-men” of yours will be up to the task with my last pet with only a ranger helping them.”

“That’s a risk I’m quite willing to take…”

“You’re a chicken phantom, my son! You were never a decent man! Take it then!”

A deep darkness gathered around Rikae and she was no more. A ray of blackness, or should it be described a lack of light deeper than the night’s darkest hour, burst towards the phantom.

But where tp had been just a moment ago there now was a dazzling sphere of light deflecting the bolt of unlight charging towards him.

The light and the darkness swirled to and fro. The villagers ducked to safety not so sure whether to run or to watch. the But this fight of powers much greater they had ever seen was much too interesting even if they knew they were risking their lives. So they all just held their breath and hoped for the best.

It went on a minute or two. At times it felt like the unlight got the upper hand and everything went darker around the village. At times it felt like the light called the shots and everything was getting brighter.

Then it started raining… raining heavily. In no time there was a storm. The thunder and lightning accompanied the duel of the wizards trying to steal the leading role to itself.

But finally there was a blast which deafened the ears of everyone present and even faded the thunder of the skies. All the colours and shades they knew – and also those they didn’t – blasted on them. It was light and dark at the same time. All the shades of grey twinkled on and off and it all felt like a fairytale or a dream.

Then the villagers were again able to look more closely. There were just two tornadoes in the receding rain. Or some things which looked like tornadoes. It seemed like all the surroundings had lost their colour and… being. Even the heavy rain and thunder seemed to have faded somehow even if they were there. The one was composed of the absence of light as it seemed to absorb all the light into it to turn them into their non-existant mirror-image. The other one was of pure light, colourless and shadeless just undescribably bright trying to suck all the light from everything around it into a great dazzling burst of light no one had seen before.

The two tornadoes swirled a moment gathering strength and then clashed for the final time.

Dark and light, black and white, flashed one after another with a bang.

Then it was silent and grey.

There was no sun and light but no darkness or night either. There were no colours. All was grey.

Then the rain had started falling again pounding the ground and all those on it heavily.

The tornadoes had disappeared and the villagers stood up one by one braving to have a closer look.

The colours were slowly coming back to the world around them and they looked around as the rain slowly faded away after that last show-off.

The phantom and Rikae had disappeared.

There were no wizards any more.

[Nogrod]

The Day continues for 1½ hours still.

Do not abstain from posting because of that little incident. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

What a sad silent bunch we are... (Including me and Greenie, we just spent two hours watching a movie instead of chattering here.) Well, there's still some time left; I'm off to do something semi-useful.

[Brinniel]

Well if no one else it going to talk, then I will!

If I've calculated correctly, we should be 12-1 toMorrow (unless the ranger successfully protects, in which case we'll be 13-1). We're getting rid of Celuien the Wolf toDay, but McCaber has sadly also chosen to commit suicide. But still, 12-1 are very good odds.

We all know we can't look at previous Days for wolfishness since our wolf is a new. Though I'm not sure how helpful toDay will be either. There hasn't been much posting and a lot of people just popped in to vote (one person hasn't even shown up at all). And obviously once again the voting is not going to have any use. So, I hope to see a lot more activity come toMorrow. The more everyone posts, the easier it'll be for us to find our final wolf.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, if I was the EW, who would I have picked last Night?

I wouldn't have picked Eönwë. It would be a bold move but I would not pick a newcomer if I knew it might very well be my last scry.

McCaber would be a risky pick too since he has been bordering getting modfired. (Besides, he's dying toDay, so a bit useless to speculate about him. I doubt he's a wolf.)

Brinniel has been under pressure quite a lot, I wouldn't have possibly picked her either.

Morm has the tendency to get lynched for his uncompromising and even aggressive attitude. I would not have picked him.

Sally and Legate are both quite widely trusted. I would have considered picking them a little too obvious.

A Little Green has not been suspected much and is more cunning than first seems. On the other hand, she's got lynched pretty often for in the past, so I'm not sure if Rikae would have picked her. (I could have. I just think Rikae doesn't necessarily agree with me here.)

Now, picking Roa, what an opportunity that would be. A double-edged sword, I'd say. If there's someone who could mislead all the others, it would be her. But will the mob execute her just because she scares them? Risky, risky. I don't think I would have picked her, but Rikae is probably a little bolder than I am.

Gwath could be the surprise pick. Suspected a little, but not too much. Could easily slide through, but on the other hand, he has a tendency to get lynched. So...

Kath has been suspected to some extent, but she's cleared it all quite fine this way. No one has really demanded her lynch. She, if someone, is sneaky. A good pick for the EW, surely, but could it be too obvious?

Lhuna too has been suspected somewhat but not been a lynch candidate ever. People have a tendency to ignore her or at least let her slip under their radar. She'd definitely make a good last pick choice - but again, is it too good?

Then of course, Lalaith is the ultimate big question. As unfair as it sounds, I think we should lynch her just to make sure at some phase of the game. We can afford that if she's innocent.

There is no conclusion. The only people I would feel free to be less wary of now are Eönwë and morm. Others I consider more or less possible picks.

Anyway, time's up. Good night!


edit: xed with Brinn

[Thinlómien]

Yes, I second Brinn. Everybody should talk toMorrow a lot more than they did toDay.

[Nogrod]

Surprise, surprise!

Celuien is lynched.

Narration coming pretty soon...

[satansaloser2005]

Sally and Legate are both quite widely trusted. I would have considered picking them a little too obvious.

Teehee. I like how even in a suspicion(ish) list, we're coupled.:Merisu:



I actually agree about lynching Lal. I don't think Rikae would have scried her, and at the same time I could see her doing it just because it was TOO obvious (as someone else stated before). I don't know if we should lynch her toMorrow though.



EDIT: Blast! I didn't even realize what time it was. I'll just post this (since I went to the non-trouble of doing it) and shut up. Night dearies!:D

[Nogrod]

Herbert awoke suddenly to the chirping of the swallow. It was already bright outside and the morning light crept into the pillbox.

He had had a dream. In it the powers of good and evil clashed resulting in the annihilation of both. It was like Mr. Hearst had said. They had gone, vanished, disappeared… fallen into nothingness. There was no good or evil anymore. He knew now Mr. Hearst had talked the truth.

He looked at the figurines that were scattered around the table as he had slept his head on it. Slowly he started gathering them back to their positions and built confidence. He was confirmed. Now he knew what it would take.

He would try to find the final answer now.

He took a figurine into his hand and shook as he did it.

It was her grannie, old-aunt Cellie she was called.

His mind wandered back to his early childhood. They were indeed his first memories. Feeling good in the arms of the old auntie, safe from anything evil in the world. And he remembered from later times a host of occasions when his mother had cried and yelled to him but the serene auntie had just silenced her defending him from whatever mischief it had been he had been guilty of. She had called the shots in regards to his mother and he had been thankful of that. She loved him and he loved her. Now he realised the latter part of the equitation as well.

And she had always baked the bunnies he could smell even now. And he had always gotten the first one “to taste” while the bun had been so hot it burnt his fingers.

He remembered her old and wise smile, the light of her eyes that loved him through and through.

She had been left behind when the great evacuation had been staged. She had refused to run from her home where she belonged and even if the soldiers had been quite rough on her she had kept her mind and they had left her there to her birth-place, her home.

He remembered her waving her hand from the small window of her modest cabin when they left while artillery-shells hammered the fields on the lower fields.

She was alive. He knew it.

But now there was no good or evil… And she would be the next one to go… he would pass this test…

Be calm… impassionate… It’s a question of power now. Calm down,… calm down… Do it! Do it!

Herbert threw the figurine to the floor and jumped on it.

The figurine broke into pieces. But it hurt.

He saw his left foot was bleeding. It was bleeding quite heavily.

He was about to scream for help when he realised there was no one to hear his call.

He sat back on the chair and opened a drawer where he knew there were bandaging materials left from the army.

It hurt.


*~*

“Ready for news, everyone? Dur was a WW, but was converted back. Spill your guts please, Dur”. It was the phantom who first opened his mouth after the wailing for Izzy had gone on for quite a while.

Roa poked Dury with a pitchfork: “Start talking now!”

Finally Durelin emerged from the crowd. “Celuien is the only wolf I know, because the second wolf was picked up just this last Night.”

That information was then followed by everyone – well not exactly everyone – casting their votes for Celuien.


Then there was the duel.


After that people seemed to go numb.

In the end Lommy opened her mouth reminding then they should lynch Celuien.

Brinn agreed they had to do what had to be done.

“I'm just a poor innocent candle maker – cookies anyone?”.

“Into the candle-wax as yesterday?” McCaber asked only realising he was too late. Nobody seemed to listen to him. The men were hacking Celuien to pieces.


Meanwhile the women gathered together.

“These confessing wolves start to be pretty boring, eh?” Lommy exclaimed.

“I know what you mean, it's starting to feel like an AA meeting: my name is Celuien/Nilp/Rikae and I am a very evil person" Lalaith added.

“I have nothing more to say at the moment” Greenie grumbled.

“It is getting a little dull having nothing to do other than turn up and all vote for one person.” Kath groaned.

Roa filled in: “The past few days have been a tad silly, with there being so little to debate. ToMorrow we start wolf-hunting for ourselves again.”

No one could count into how many pieces Celuien the wolf had been hacked into.

*~*

Alive:

+ A Little Green, a fortune-teller - folklorist - herb-grower - unofficial therapist, advisor and midwife, most presumably a witch, the gammer (the eccentric mother of Lommy & Mac)
+ Shastanis Althreduin, astrologer/fortune teller, gaffer (Greenie's husband, father of Lommy & Mac)

+ Thinlómien, a bird tamer, adult (married to Nilp, Macalaure's sister)
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person, 22 (their son)
+ Kath, tavern owner, 20 (their daughter, Brinn's life partner)
+ Satansaloser 2005, Lommy's assistant, 17 (their daughter)

+ Lhunardawen, healer's apprentice, 20 (Cailín's daughter, good twin of Durelin)
+ Durelin, poisoner 20 (Lhuna's evil twin, daughter of Cailín)


+ Roa_Aoife, school teacher, adult (mother of Legate, Brinn and Kit, wife of Nogrod, sister of Rikae)
+ Brinniel, Greenie's apprentice, 21 (Legate's sister and Kitanna's twin sister, Kath's life partner)
+ Legate of Amon Lanc, sheep herder with tp, 19 (brother of Brinn & Kit, Sally's boyfriend, Agan's ex-bf)

+ Lalaith, chocolate maker, adult (sister of Nerwen, mother of Aganzir, Volo's daughter)

+ Mormegil, adult (son of Volo, husband of Celuien, father of Gwath and McCaber)
+ Gwathagor, a highwayman, 20 (McCaber's big brother)
+ McCaber, a henchman, 18 (Gwath's little brother, dates Aganzir)


The dead:
Eomer of the Rohirrim, adult (Cailín's husband, Lhuna's and Dury's father); An innocent beheaded by the werewolves on Night1
Nogrod, the judge, adult (Roa's husband, father of Legate, Brinn and Kit); An innocent torn in two by werewolves on Night1
Nerwen, the healer, adult (sister of Lalaith, Volo's daughter); An innocent nailed to the oak-tree on Day1.
Volo, the guy who knows everything about staying alive, the gaffer (Father of Nogrod, morm, Nerwen and Lalaith); The seer mutilated and eyes pulled off on Night2.
Kitanna, a tavern wench 21 (Legate's sister and Brinn's twin sister); An innocent ripped into pieces and thrown into the well on Night2.
Aganzir, the little match girl, 15 (Lalaith's daughter, dates McCaber); A werewolf burnt alive on Day2.
Macalaure, apple farmer, adult (married to Rikae, Lommy's brother); The ranger overpowered by four werewolves in a fight and torn to pieces on Night3.
The Ka, a dog whipper (a fatherless and ageless little child of Lalaith); An innocent impaled to a spear her doll in her hand on Night3.
Cailín, guinea pig breeder, adult (Nilp's sister); A werewolf melted into a candle-wax and burnt on Day3.
Diamond 18, dissolute, 11 (phantom's pre-teen littlesister); The seer eyes picked out (once again, what a bore...), throat slit and thrown into the well on Night4.
Nilpaurion Felagund, a house-bound sandwich-maker, adult (married to Lommy); A werewolf committed a suicide when the whole village turned against him on Day4.
Isabellkya, a gammer who loves asparagus and throwing knives (Shasta's sister); An innocent cut down in a way too horrible to describe on Night5.
Rikae, a lumberjack, adult (married to Macalaure, Roa's sister); The EW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
the phantom, sheep herder with Legate, 21 (their adopted son, Di's brother); The GW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
Celuien, a candle maker, adult (wife of morm, mother of Gwath and McCaber); A werewolf sliced in pieces by the men of the village on Day5.



Night6 is on.

Whatever you wish to do… do it... those able to do it...

Others just hush!

[Nogrod]

Edelfried woke up in the middle of the night screaming.

In her dream there had been a battle between good and evil and both had lost. They had just vanished. The passing of good and evil produces in emptiness, she remembered her aunt’s words. Then the villagers had hacked a werewolf to pieces and after that a lonely werewolf had butchered an innocent villager in a most appalling manner. The violence and brutality continued and her heart was about to break in pieces.

She had not been able to do anything. She had just followed the events as a bystander behind a glass-wall she was not able to get through or around.

Edelfried was sweating and shaking all over when the old nanny rushed in and came to her, looking troubled and anguished.

“Now what is it my dear child?” She laid her hand on her forehead. “You’re having a fever… I better get the healer here immediately. It’s the second night in a row now…”

She had already risen from the bedside when Edelfried finally managed to response.

“No dear Hilde… It’s not something the healer can do something about… It’s something… I mean…” Her voice broke.

“Now what are you talking about my child?” The nanny turned around and looked back at the little girl who was still visibly shaking. “You’ve been visiting that aunt Clennan of yours, now haven’t you? I told the king, your father, you should be kept apart from that witch. Maybe he will listen to me this time…” With that she took towards the heavy door to call for the healer.

“No! You don’t understand! The healer is not able to cure this. It’s the world that needs healing!” Edelfried cried in pain.

The Nanny shook her head at the door and mumbled to herself. “I must hurry… she’s finally going round the bend…”

“We’ll be back soon. Just breathe and try to cool down my little. All is fine… al is safe.” She said aloud glancing at the little girl with a worried look and then slammed the door behind her.

Edelfried burst into tears and buried her face in her palms crying uncontrollably.


*~*

The woman was unable to sleep. After twisting and turning in her bed for an hour she finally arose and went downstairs. She lit a few candles at one of the tavern-tables closest to the fireplace and picked up a book from the shelf.

Just as she had been absorbed into the story she suddenly heard a clatter of dishes from the kitchen. She listened closely but everything was silent. Rats… we should do something about them…

She fell back into her book but was soon aware of a smell of veggies being sautéed in the kitchen. She let the book down on the table and rose up.

“Kath, is it you my dear?”

She crept silently to the kitchen door through the dark tavern hall.

“Kath? Is it you?” She heard a wine bottle being opened and laid on the table. “Why didn’t you tell me you were hungry? I could have helped.”

The fang came out from nowhere and she felt a blow in her cheek. Everything went dizzy but at first she felt no pain. It only followed.

“Ahh, my main course arrives… just in time I’d say.” The werewolf grinned and sliced poor Brinn into pieces… “Let’s see then… sirloin? No… it takes time to stew it… Neck? No, the same problem... T-bone steak? Well no… I’m not in a mood for it… Fillet? Hmm… maybe I’ll have a fillet. Medium rare I‘d say… and some asparagus… Not bad… not bad… and a quickly fried liver… I should not forget it. That’s the teaser to begin with… with some scallions and apples…”


In the morning the villagers woke up to Kath howling in agony.

“My life’s companion! This is… this is just plain wrong! It’s brutal beyond description!”

Some of the villagers braved to go inside the tavern. There they were, the remains of a feast: liver with apples and scallions sautéed in cider, fillet with sauce Diane and seasons’ veggies including fresh asparagus and a bottle of rare and fine red wine. From the kitchen they found her entrails and the parts the werewolf hadn’t used for this macabre dinner at Night.


A short epilogue for two persons...

Lhuna closed the door and walked past the buzzing crowd in front of the tavern. She had had enough.

First her father had been killed and then her mother turned out a cursed werewolf killing other people, people she knew and loved. Then her sister revealed herself to be an ex-werewolf now repenting… and finally her betrothed turned out to be a Wizard – and died. She would have it no more…

No one noticed as she passed silently from the gates and left the village.

Less than a mile into the forest she suddenly met a guy sitting on a stump crying bitterly.

“What is it McCaber? What are you doing here?” She asked pretty much confused.

“What am I doing? … I don’t really know…”, he answered quietly not daring to meet her eyes.

But in the end he decided to talk his heart out. “My date was a werewolf and my mom was one as well… I just couldn’t bear it… I don’t know what to do…What kind of life it is when you can’t trust your loved one or your immediate family anymore? … or anyone in this cursed village!” He lifted his face and finally looked at Lhuna. “My date was a werewolf! You know how it feels? And we used to fight over her with my bro…”

“Mine was a wizard and he’s dead as well… no to talk of my relatives and what they turned out…” Lhuna answered quietly letting her face down.

McCaber rose and took her by the hand biting his lip. “Don’t weep Lhuna… There will be a place for us in this world eventually. But now we must flee. We both made the same decision and here we are.”

Lhuna tried to swallow her tears and nodded pressing McCaber’s hand. “You’re right, let’s go.” Her voice broke down.

And so they went hand in hand away from the village leaving the nightmare behind them.



*~*

Alive:

+ A Little Green, a fortune-teller - folklorist - herb-grower - unofficial therapist, advisor and midwife, most presumably a witch, the gammer (the eccentric mother of Lommy & Mac)
+ Shastanis Althreduin, astrologer/fortune teller, gaffer (Greenie's husband, father of Lommy & Mac)

+ Thinlómien, a bird tamer, adult (married to Nilp, Macalaure's sister)
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person, 22 (their son)
+ Kath, tavern owner, 20 (their daughter, Brinn's life partner)
+ Satansaloser 2005, Lommy's assistant, 17 (their daughter)

+ Durelin, poisoner 20 (Lhuna's evil twin, daughter of Cailín)


+ Roa_Aoife, school teacher, adult (mother of Legate, Brinn and Kit, wife of Nogrod, sister of Rikae)
+ Legate of Amon Lanc, sheep herder with tp, 19 (brother of Brinn & Kit, Sally's boyfriend, Agan's ex-bf)

+ Lalaith, chocolate maker, adult (sister of Nerwen, mother of Aganzir, Volo's daughter)

+ Mormegil, adult (son of Volo, husband of Celuien, father of Gwath and McCaber)
+ Gwathagor, a highwayman, 20 (McCaber's big brother)



The dead:
Eomer of the Rohirrim, adult (Cailín's husband, Lhuna's and Dury's father); An innocent beheaded by the werewolves on Night1
Nogrod, the judge, adult (Roa's husband, father of Legate, Brinn and Kit); An innocent torn in two by werewolves on Night1
Nerwen, the healer, adult (sister of Lalaith, Volo's daughter); An innocent nailed to the oak-tree on Day1.
Volo, the guy who knows everything about staying alive, the gaffer (Father of Nogrod, morm, Nerwen and Lalaith); The seer mutilated and eyes pulled off on Night2.
Kitanna, a tavern wench 21 (Legate's sister and Brinn's twin sister); An innocent ripped into pieces and thrown into the well on Night2.
Aganzir, the little match girl, 15 (Lalaith's daughter, dates McCaber); A werewolf burnt alive on Day2.
Macalaure, apple farmer, adult (married to Rikae, Lommy's brother); The ranger overpowered by four werewolves in a fight and torn to pieces on Night3.
The Ka, a dog whipper (a fatherless and ageless little child of Lalaith); An innocent impaled to a spear her doll in her hand on Night3.
Cailín, guinea pig breeder, adult (Nilp's sister); A werewolf melted into a candle-wax and burnt on Day3.
Diamond 18, dissolute, 11 (phantom's pre-teen littlesister); The seer eyes picked out (once again, what a bore...), throat slit and thrown into the well on Night4.
Nilpaurion Felagund, a house-bound sandwich-maker, adult (married to Lommy); A werewolf committed a suicide when the whole village turned against him on Day4.
Isabellkya, a gammer who loves asparagus and throwing knives (Shasta's sister); An innocent cut down in a way too horrible to describe on Night5.
Rikae, a lumberjack, adult (married to Macalaure, Roa's sister); The EW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
the phantom, sheep herder with Legate, 21 (their adopted son, Di's brother); The GW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
Celuien, a candle maker, adult (wife of morm, mother of Gwath and McCaber); A werewolf sliced in pieces by the men of the village on Day5.
Brinniel, Greenie's apprentice, 21 (Legate's sister and Kitanna's twin sister, Kath's life partner); An innocent chopped and turned into an exquisite dinner on Night6.
Lhunardawen, healer's apprentice, 20 (Cailín's daughter, good twin of Durelin); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into her life on the morning of Day6.
McCaber, a henchman, 18 (Gwath's little brother, dates Aganzir); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into his life on the morning of Day6.



Day6 has begun!

Feel free to use your own reasoning and speculative powers again!


PS. The 'Downs time is now about 5-6 minutes behind the real time but we'll still follow the 'Downs time eg. all votes cast with a mark 11.00 PM GMT will be counted. I try to post the end of the Day at 11.01.

[satansaloser2005]

Voting stuff from yesterday....I feel "helpful" now! ;)

Durie-->Cellie at 11:17pm
Morm-->Cellie at 12:23am
Legate-->Cellie at 5:08am
Roa-->Cellie at 9:38am
Gwath-->Cellie at 10:23am
Lommie-->Cellie at 12:00pm
Lal-->Cellie at 12:23pm
Phantom-->Cellie at 12:32pm
Greenie-->Cellie at 1:44pm
Nilp....erm, Cellie---->Nilp....erm, Cellie at 2:00pm
Sally-->Cellie at 2:18pm
Eon-->Cellie at 2:24pm
Kath-->Cellie at 2:29pm
Shasta-->Rikae at 2:49pm
Rikae-->Phantom 3:06pm
Brinn-->Cellie at 3:08pm
No votes: Lhuna, Cabbie (although he'd withdrawn by this point)




That being said, I'll be back in a couple hours (hopefully less, but I don't know right now). Until then....



Oh, and I think this is necessary, given the night's events. *gives Kath a hug*

[Thinlómien]

That was a surprise. I'm inclined to think that Brinn was just someone probably not protected by the ranger and a rather baffling no-track kill. Or then she could have been killed because of suspected rangerism. But whatever the reason, I somehow have the feeling it's not going to be revealed and even if it was it wouldn't tell who's the baddie... :rolleyes: I think I'll reread yesterDay, that's not much, after all... :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

A new list

YesterDay's posts seemed a little wolvish
+ Kath
+ Satansaloser 2005
+ Gwathagor

YesterDay's posts could have been wolvish
0 Eönwë
0 Roa_Aoife
0 Lalaith

YesterDay's posts seemed innocentish
- A Little Green
- Shastanis Althreduin
- Legate of Amon Lanc
- Mormegil


The list I made yesterday, simplified version

A probable pick for the EW
+ Kath
+ Shasta (I missed him from the previous list)

Considerable pick for the EW
0 Sally
0 Legate
0 Greenie
0 Roa
0 Gwath
0 Lalaith

Unprobable pick for the EW
- Eönwë
- morm


Conclusion

++
Kath

+
sally
Gwath

0
Roa
Lalaith
Shasta

-
Eönwë
Greenie
Legate

--
morm


If I was a ver matemathical person, I'd vote Kath. But because I'm not, I'm not sure if I will. I think I'll go to sleep now and think about this. I will vote when I have waken up. I hope to see that many people have posted before that...

[Nogrod]

An epilogue for Lhuna and McCaber has been added to the narration and the tally has been upgraded with them leaving the village.

There are twelve people in the village.

[Kath]

Oy, leave me alone Lommy, my life partner has just been brutally killed and you're casting stones at her nearest and dearest? Pah.

But ouch to last Night. Three innocents gone. I know we knew about two of them but watching the numbers go down is a bit alarming.

It's pretty late here right now so I'm going to head to bed, just saw the narration come up and thought I'd check in.

[Roa_Aoife]

Now, my other daughter is dead as well! My darling Brin! I've burried two daughters and a husband in 6 days time! Oh, my dear Legate, what has become of our family?


*ahem* Okay, that's enough of that.

I'm going to go through Brin's posts and see if I can come up with any reason she might have been killed. Then I'm going to analyze as many people as possible from yesterDay. Hopefully I can get it done, since it's only Two Days. ("Wait!" I hear you say, "The wolf was only turned yesterday! On Day 4 they were innocent!" Why yes, this is true. So I'm comparing their Day 4 behavior with their Day 5 Behavior to see if there are any changes, silly hobbits.)

Post Count!
satansaloser2005 110
Thinlómien 88
Roa_Aoife 79
Shasta 66
Legate 64
Lalaith 50
Gwathagor 46
Durelin 46
mormegil 40
A Little Green 23
Eönwë 20
Kath 15


So, I'll be working from the bottom up, after Brin. I'm counting on you guys to not let the village lapse into silence, okay? *pointed look at the people who have posted less than those who have been dead for the past 5 Days*

[Roa_Aoife]

Brin, Day 5

Post 1 - Surprised at Izzy's death. Excited to hear from Durelin, admits that Dur had baffled her.

Post 2 - Responds to Morm for his Post #1225 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=559081)

Post 3 - Notes how quiet it is. Wonders if we should believe Durelin about Celuien. Thinks it's better to Lynch Celuien because we won't know if Dur is telling the truth anyways until Cel's role is proven, Thinks phantom should challenge because the game is starting to get boring.

Post 4 - Votes Celuien

Post 5 - Calculation of our odds, notes that our wolf is new and that we can't look at previous Dayys for suspicious behavior, Hopes everyone will start to post more


So, Brin wasn't heavily suspected by anyone, and she didn't express suspicion towards anyone. It definitely looks like she was a safe kill.

[Roa_Aoife]

Kath

Day 4 (When she was definitely innocent)

Post 1 - Points out that she's posting the same ammount that she always does, but it seems like less because this game has been so long. Decides to do phantom's list:

Greenie: Not suspicious
Shasta: has gone unnoticed
Izzy: Seems wrong somehow
Lommy: Innocent
Nilp: Wolf
Sally: doesn't seem suspicious
Rikae: Very entertaining
Phantom: Inclined to trust him
Lhuna: No opinion
Durelin: Hasn't thought of her since Agan was lynched
Roa: probably innocent
Brin: May be a newer wolf
Legate: No clear view
Lal: Seems very suspicious
Morm: No suspicions
Celuien: No Idea
Gwath: Reactionary
McCaber: Barely Noticed

Post 2 - Votes Nilp

And that's all for the Day she was innocent.

Day 5, when her innocense is no longer a gaurantee

Post 1 - Votes Celuien, complains that there's nothing to do

Possibilities: She was a wolf and hid with out leaving a trail, or she like so many of us was bored without much to do. I can't draw any conclusions from that. I did note that on Day 4 quite a few people marked her in their lists as suspicious, but I don't believe any one followed up on it. She would certainly be a good choice, as I've seen her finish as a solo wolf before. Of course, Rikae wasn't looking for a solo wolf on Night 5, so that may not have much bearing. But the other two wolves, (Dureling and Celuien) were both sliding by unoticed, so Kath definitely fits the mold. I need to see more from her today than roleplaying.

[Roa_Aoife]

*tumbleweed*

<.<
>.>
-_-;

On to Eonwe then...

[Gwathagor]

Hmm, not much going on here. I guess I'll go read through yesterDay again and see who looks sneaky.

[Roa_Aoife]

Eonwe

Day 4 (known innocent)

Post 1 - Tells phantom to stop giving orders

Post 2 - List:

Innocent: phantom (an enigma)

Probably Innocent: Shasta, Morm, Celuien, McCaber

Less Innocent: Greenie, Izzie, Roa (though she was evil but is now convinced otherwise), Lommy

Perhaps wolves: Sally (too much pointless stuff), Kath (not quite right), Legate (too quiet lately)

Evil: Rikae, Nilp

No Idea: Dur, Lhuna, Brin, Lal, and Gwath

Post 3 - Wonders if Rikae is really the EW

Post 4 - Lal Seems reassuring, but she might be a wolf, and Lommy has been "masking her scent"

Post 5 - Asks Rikae if she's saying she's not the EW

Post 6 - Banter

Post 7 - Votes Nilp

Post 8 - Asks Sally if she's calling him a wolf, responds to Sally

Post 9 - Hopes he gets better at werewolf

(Sidenote: Dueling Wizards was probably not the best game to get started on....)

Post 10 - Glad we aren't gulping down pages, looks for people to misquote him in the future

Post 11 - Agrees with Izzie, says he's always had an odd feeling about Roa

Post 12 - Says he was suspicious of Lommy because she kept jumping on everyone who suspected her


Over half your post count in one Day! We know you can do it now! Also, if I didn't know for a fact he was innocent on this day.....*shakes head* Anyways...


Day 5

Post 1 - Notes that there isn't a lot to say

Post 2 - Votes Celuien

*sigh* I have a feeling this is going to be a pattern... I feel like I might as well wait for people to post toDay.

On the whole, I don't know if Rikae would have turned Eonwe knowing that she'd be gone the following Day. It's a big risk. On the other hand, everyone has been brushing off anything suspicious he does as newbieness, so she may have counted on just that. Also, almost everyone counted him as "unknown," or "not enough info." We know you can post more now! Come one and show up!

[Roa_Aoife]

Ah! Gwath! Nooooo, don't leave me to talk to myself! I'm not easy to get along with!

[Gwathagor]

Alright then. I warn you, though, I'm terrible at small talk...:rolleyes:

I was just thinking that if I was the EW, I would have turned you, Roa, into a wolf between Day 4 and Day 5. If I was the EW, mind.

[satansaloser2005]

Ah! Gwath! Nooooo, don't leave me to talk to myself! I'm not easy to get along with!



*gives Roa a sedative and a nice cup of tea* It'll be okay, dearie. I'm here to keep you company. I'm just a bit quiet as I'm a bit tired (and severely multi-tasking).



Perhaps I should do that analysis on Morm like I promised. *scampers off*


EDIT: x'd with Gwath

[Gwathagor]

Wait...where did I get the idea that the remaining werewolf HAD to be created between Days 4 and 5?

And why were Eonwe and Kath known innocents on Day 4? I'm afraid I don't quite understand.

EDIT: 900 POSTS.

[Roa_Aoife]

Wait...where did I get the idea that the remaining werewolf HAD to be created between Days 4 and 5?

And why were Eonwe and Kath known innocents on Day 4? I'm afraid I don't quite understand.

Because he did, and they were. Recall that on Night 5, we started with two wolves. Then phantom scried Durelin, making her an ordo, and Rikae scried someone else. Because Durelin was turned before other communications started, she didn't know the identity of the new wolf, only the one she'd been communicating with before hand - Celuien, whim we lynched. That leaves us with only the wolf turned on Night 5. Follow?

[satansaloser2005]

Wait...where did I get the idea that the remaining werewolf HAD to be created between Days 4 and 5?

And why were Eonwe and Kath known innocents on Day 4? I'm afraid I don't quite understand.



I'm guessing you got it from the last night of scries. There were two wolves at the start of the Night (Dure and Cell). During the Night, Phantom de-wolfed Dure, and Rikae scried....well, someone. Unfortunately, Dure wasn't given this information (for obvious reasons) so we don't know the identity of the last wolf, but we do know the night of their scrying. Sensical, yes?



EDIT: Blast. X'd with Roa's explanation of the same subject. Where are the rest of you?

[Gwathagor]

Ah, thank you both. That's helpful. I'm not thinking clearly because I'm tired out from work. Long day.

[Roa_Aoife]

Greenie

Day 4 (definitely not evil)

Post 1 - Tells phantom he's be annoying and that he should stop withholding information. Decides she'll make a list for herself and the village, not for him. Thinks that the people who immediately trusted phantom are the more suspicious ones.

Post 2 - List:

Shasta - no suspicious
Izzie - difficult to say
Lommy - innocentish
Nilp - Wolf
Sally - innocentish and ammusing
Kath - worrying
Eonwe - difficult to say
Rikae - evil but amusing
phantom - good but irritating
Lhuna - innocent
Dury - difficult to say
Roa - looks innocent
Brin - Innocent
Legate - difficult to say
Morm - no idea
Lal - could be anything
Celuien - Could be a wolf
Gwath - leaning innocent
McCaber - worrisome

Post 3 - Votes Nilp, agrees with Lommy that we should be doing something more productive

Post 4 - Finds Izzie's analysis to be eyebrow raising, a little too much "go with the flow"

Day 5

Post 1 - Inclined to trust Dury about Celuien, thinks the duel will be better toDay than tomorrow. Response to morm, doesn't think Lommy has changed her tone

Post 2 - Agrees that the game has become a bit boring

Post 3 - Votes Celuien

Eh, I have to shower and eat. Draw your own conclusions. I think she'd be a good turn.

[satansaloser2005]

Don't worry about it, Gwath. I'm having trouble putting stuff together as well; long day doesn't begin to describe it. Just glad that made sense. ;)


Off to take another swing at some analysis. I seem to be getting nowhere. Then again, it's only yesterDay that we need to worry about, so that'll make it a lot easier.


Wow....I'm glad I realized that now instead of when I'd done five days of analysis on someone. Go me....*gets her own cup of tea*

[Gwathagor]

Legate may have been a good choice for Rikae to turn into a werewolf during the Night in question because of how she had gone after him earlier, when she "revealed" as the GW. However, this very fact may also have disqualified him in her mind.

If Rikae was looking for someone who would present themselves as an obvious choice, she may have gone with Legate or Shasta perhaps; Legate, because he's sneaky, and Shasta because he's quiet and has gone relatively unnoticed.

Like I said, though, if I was the EW, I would have scried Roa, because she can get away with being vocal and persuasive without being suspected for it. Or at least has done so this game.

[Lalaith]

was bored without much to do

I think this was the tone of yesterday, in general, which wasn't terribly helpful, in retrospect. Most people just trooped in, voted for Celueien and trooped out again. I can't really claim much else for myself, either...I was very busy.
I wish more of us had made a list like Lommy's that she made before deadline - very helpful, not just in itself (her thinking made good sense) but also in giving pointers to her own status. It felt very innocent - although I would be inclined to believe Lommy innocent anyway, as she was under so much suspicion that Rikae would have made a massive gamble to scry her.
I haven't had time to read through the posts of yesterday closely, but here's my list based on the same type of premise as Lommy:
Likely (not suspected)
Sally
Gwath
Shasta
Green
Legate
Kath

Likely (leaving the game in the hands of a master - but high risk because of their high profile)
Roa, Mormegil

Unlikely:
Eonwe (newbie status)

Very unlikely (so suspected):
Lommy
I'd put myself as fairly unlikely too, because I'm bound to be under scrutiny as a degifted.

Another thought - I've played so infrequently in the last year or so that I'm a bit out of it, perhaps some Grimoire expert can help - is there anyone here that Rikae's never played with before? If so, they'd be an unlikely wolf pick - If I were the evil wizard, I don't think I'd like to leave the game in the hands of someone who I didn't have personal gaming experience of, so if there's anyone who could help on that....

In Rikae's shoes (there I go, thinking like a EW again, Lommy ;)) I would have gone for Kath, Legate, Morm or Roa.

The other thing to think about: I think Rikae might have avoided anyone she thought might be a Ranger, as her priority was to make a wolf, rather than de-gift.

[mormegil]

I think our best options are to look for those who most people listed as non-suspicious on day 4 at the request of the phantom. My thought is that Rikae would have chosen a person who was on the middle-range of suspicion. Kind of a leaning innocent on some and possibly guilty on others. The other question is would Celulien have known who the other wolf would be? The reason I ask is because I would like to consider what she said about Shasta and others. I'm not sure I'd put much credibility in it but it is worth considering.

Off the top of my head and not looking back at the lists of people I would say:

Greenie
Lal
Shasta
Legate

are the most likely EW picks. But I think it could be profitable to cross compare who Rikae chose and see if there is a certain common thread.

Agan
Cailin
Nilp
Celuien

Not a single one of them were mass-posters and nobody was overly crazy in their mannerisms, but none, with the possible exception of Celuien were really quiet either.

Lal
Legate
Shasta

fit this bill. Obvioulsy those three are on my first list too so they will likely be my top suspects. I think Lal has done a great job and the question that would need to be answered is would Rikae scry her twice to convert her to a wolf?

[mormegil]

Very unlikely (so suspected):
I'd put myself as fairly unlikely too, because I'm bound to be under scrutiny as a degifted.


I agree and disagree on this and struggle with the thought. By wolfanizing you, it's easy to say that you wouldn't be wolfanized because you had been de-gifted and therefore wouldn't have been converted. However, I think it a good rouse. It never sits well with me when people use themselves in their own lists and give preemptive defense. It seems odd to me. And it increases my suspicion although not to the point of conviction.

[satansaloser2005]

MORM YESTERDAY

Post 1224: Asks Phantom if he got a seer the previous Night. Says he appreciates Phantom's leadership, and thinks it would be beneficial to wait another Day and possibly get a seer.

Hmmmm. I'm sure that the asking for the seer was just confusion over the night's events. But if he HAD been scried I could see this as an attempt to prolong the wizard duel and maybe get a partner. It's definitely possible.

Post 1225: Says Lommie secured Nilp's fate, but that Brinn held her vote and jumped on toward the end of the bandwagon, a safe vote.

Well, it's called a bandwagon for a reason love. ;) I'm sure Brinn couldn't help when she voted. Besides, we know she's innocent, so it's kind of a moot point now. I think he was just a little too eager to find a reason to accuse her.

Post 1230: Just being silly.

Post 1237: Says he was kidding about wanting another night for a seer.

Well, it's definitely possible he was kidding but he sounded like he meant it to me. I don't know. Was he "just kidding" or back pedaling?

Post 1242: Talking about his joking again.

Post 1243: Says Lommie has changed her tone and is trying to act differently than people (especially himself) have accused her of.

I would find a sudden behavior change suspicious. Is he trying to say this about Lommie? He just states that she's changed and doesn't comment a whole lot on it, so I don't know what he thinks of it.

Post 1261: "If you've posted even close to as much as Phantom, shut up."

Kidding, kidding. It made me giggle, and that's all I can say. :p

Post 1262: Says Gwath looks really guilty at this point (see Gwath's post 1258), but says he will trust Dure's word and votes Cel.

He said that Gwath sounded like he knew wolf statuses, but wanted to sound innocent. This suspicion is extremely well grounded, or at least if nothing else I thought the same thing. I'm not concerned about this post at all (Morm's, that is) so for now I'll just nod in agreement.

Post 1272: Asks Dure when she was told of Cel's wolfishness (as it makes a difference as to the time of the information). Wants some more information from Phantom before he (phantom) and Rikae die.

Again, I can read this as "let's see if I can save my partner". Now I'm not saying that Morm can't handle the village on his own, but it would be nerve-wracking to be a lone wolf, so any chance of saving your partner is worth it (to an extent of course).


EDIT: x'd with everything since Gwath's statements about evil Rikae, grandpa Shasta, and my sweet Legate


DISCLAIMER: Yes, I'm an English major, but for some reason I'm not thinking properly so I probably mistyped/misspelled some things. Humor me.

[mormegil]

Sally, a few things. Most importantly, I was not joking about the seer. I was weighing if it would be best to swap one more wolf for adding a seer or not. I was joking about my accusing Brinn and Lommy based on the voting record. I thought most understood that but I perhaps was wrong...of course, I couldn't say the voting record gave much if any info but it was fun to joke about it.

but it would be nerve-wracking to be a lone wolf

Not nerve wracking but at all but a dream fo mine!

[satansaloser2005]

A very brief, hastily assembled list of jumbled thoughts:
What we know: Dure is innocent. We have a ranger, but it is not Dure or Lal. Lal was de-gifted.
What we do not know: A lot. Specifically (see above) if Lal was scried two Nights in a row, making her a wolf, or if Rikae was content to simply rob her of her gift.
What we can assume: Phantom and Rikae thought a lot alike this game. If I remember correctly, Phantom said there were a couple people he would have scried as gifteds. Rikae, trying not to repeat past bad luck, probably picked other people besides these.

My top four wolves:
Morm: for reason stated above
Roa: bold choice, almost too obvious
Greenie: too quiet, simply unnerving
Gwath: an unlucky wolf in the past, and I mean that in a nice way. He's acted quite wolfish, actually, but I don't know if Rikae would pick him. His behavior indicated fur, however

Three least expected wolves:
Lal: too much danger of her getting lynched, with her scry status up in the air
Kath: she's slipped through unnoticed so far, so she'd be a good pick, too good of a pick actually, and that's why I think she wouldn't have been selected
Eon: not familiar enough, I know how being a new player goes and it's hard; I don't think she would have risked it

In the middle or otherwise:
Legate: Rikae could have given him a hard time before to set up his scry, but I don't know how likely that would be
Lommie: she's been all over the place in my mind, and in others' as well, so I don't know if Rikae would want to take the chance that she could survive
Shasta: Very possible, but I don't feel that Rikae would have picked him
Dure: We know she's innocent. Period.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, a few things. Most importantly, I was not joking about the seer. I was weighing if it would be best to swap one more wolf for adding a seer or not. I was joking about my accusing Brinn and Lommy based on the voting record. I thought most understood that but I perhaps was wrong...of course, I couldn't say the voting record gave much if any info but it was fun to joke about it.



Not nerve wracking but at all but a dream fo mine!


Oh, you're right. Sorry, I put that in response to the wrong post. I'm a bit out of it; my apologies. Thanks for clearing that up, you cute little masochist you. ;)

[Durelin]

I like Lalaith's list...

Lalaith is an unlikely wolf-pick, I think, because she was not worth the risk, as she was de-gifted the Night the new Ranger was created, and so would not know his/her identity. But obviously no guarantees.

Not a single one of them were mass-posters and nobody was overly crazy in their mannerisms, but none, with the possible exception of Celuien were really quiet either.

How does Greenie not fit this bill, exactly?

You also did not cross-compare me, so I think this is rather (*cough*severely*cough*) flawed. :p

Edit: So I guess Greenie falls under "too quiet"? Being that quiet hasn't seemed to hurt her any, though, has it? But yes, yes, I understand that wasn't what you were doing, morm.

[satansaloser2005]

I like Lalaith's list...

Lalaith is an unlikely wolf-pick, I think, because she was not worth the risk, as she was de-gifted the Night the new Ranger was created, and so would not know his/her identity. But obviously no guarantees.



How does Greenie not fit this bill, exactly?

You also did not cross-compare me, so I think this is rather (*cough*severely*cough*) flawed. :p


See? Dure's a wolf! She practically admitted it!!!!!!!!




:Merisu:


I agree about Greenie though. She fits the same pattern as the rest.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm really sorry everyone. I'm quite tired for some reason; it's not late, but I need some sleep. I'll try my best to get up and pop in before work, and if not I promise I'll be in four hours before deadline as usual. I'll stay around for a bit longer, but I'm most likely going to read up on a few things and then go home to bed. Thanks in advance for being patient with Sleepy Sally. Night dearies!

[Gwathagor]

Ok, so, I'm going to be in Idaho for the weekend, at a wedding (not my own), so I may not be able to vote during Day 7. I won't be back until Sunday after DL, which means that whether I post or not will depend on whether I can borrow someone's internet while in Idaho.

I see that sally has joined the "Let's Make References To Gwath's Bad Track Record As A WW" Club, of which Lommy is the founding member. Rikae wouldn't necessarily be aware of my tendency to get lynched (by villagers, by fellow wws, etc.) though, because she's only played one game with me that I can remember. So, you could take one of two things from this fact. Either Rikae would be likely to make me a wolf because she doesn't know I get lynched easily, or she would be unlikely to make me a wolf because she's not familiar with me as a player. Take your pick.

One other thing, sally: what exactly did I say that made it sound as if I knew WW statuses? I don't remember saying anything of the kind, and I'd like to see if it's truly suspicious or not.

I agree with everyone else that Lalaith is an unlikely wolf-pick. I think we can count her as innocent along with Durelin. Everyone else has their distinct pros and cons, though, and is fair game. Rikae could very well have anticipated many of our arguments such as "so-and-so is an unlikely wolf because they're too obvious" or "they're too crazy" or whatever...

Ok, I'm going to bed. I'll vote when I wake up (and before I leave for Idaho). I'm sorry I wasn't able to post more toDay.

[Durelin]

So, Rikae started out with 3 wolves, right?

On Night 2, she scried me.

Aganzir was lynched on Day 2, so she was one of the original 3.

Back to 3 wolves, but she picks up a fourth on Night 3 because there are two kills that Night.

Cailin is lynched on Day 3. Back down to 3 wolves.

Lalaith is scried Night 4, de-gifted. Still three wolves - myself, Nilp, and Celuien.

I rather suspect Nilp was an original wolf. I don't know about Cailin or Celuien.

I knew Cailin was a fellow WW on Night 3, because Rikae informed us other wolves that we could try to go after her if Cailin was in danger. That was when she revealed to us, because she knew she had been scried. I don't know how she somehow knew Cailin would be in danger...the amount of interweaving of her and phantom's plans really is just...insane. Uncanny.

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, quick post before bed-

Everyone, please remember that when Rikae scried the last wolf, she wasn't planning for him to go in alone. At that point, she couldn't have known that Durelin would be scried, and Celuien handed over for lynching. Had things gone according to Rikae's plan, we would have three wolves right now, instead of one. This last wolf was meant to work as part of the team, not on his own. Please remember that when trying to think of who Rikae picked.

Also, morm, you should be on your own list. You fit that bill rather nicely.

I'll be on just before I 'll leave for work, and again on my lunch break, hopefully to vote.

[Lalaith]

Right, I'm off to work and as usual I won't be back until around 5.30pm.

Durelin - thanks for liking my list, sorry I accidentally left you off it - you are obviously innocent.
Roa - I always put myself on my own lists. And ironically, you're right, Morm should have been on his own list.
I'm going to look into the Grimoire about Rikae's previous playing companions when I get back.
Anyway, I'm late (again - this game is going to get me fired. :rolleyes:)
See you this evening.

[Thinlómien]

Yes, Rikae wasn't choosing a lone wolf, but she knew that her pick would probably be her last one. That is worth bearing in mind.

On Lalaith - yes, she'd be a risky pick and I'm not sure if Rikae had gone for cursing her because she really would not have had time to gte all info from her. Obviously, Lalaith has not given her the identity of the ranger (or then she just hadn't told it to her wolves) - whether because she doesn't know it, or because she's innocent. :rolleyes: There's one way why Lal would have been a good pick, anyway: Rikae could be sure that she was an ordo and thus would 100% certainly turn into a wolf.

I should vote soon and I still have little idea... except that Gwath seems more innocent now, I think.

[Thinlómien]

By the way, as luring as the approach of who Rikae would have picked is, I think we shouldn't give it that much importance. I think we've already proved that almost everybody would be a good and a bad choice in one way or another. So we really can't deduce anything. It'd be better to concentrate on actual wolvish behaviour, even as there's probably little of it to be seen yet.

Personally, I would not be surprised if someone of those who just popped in and voted yesterDay (with no RL excuse) was quite furry, because who else than a wolf would think there's nothing more to do that Day? (Well, looking at the number of posts, probably quite a few innocents.) Anyway, I'm going to do a check.

[Thinlómien]

Okay: Eönwë, Greenie, Shasta and Kath did not do anything of importance but vote after Celuien's role was revealed for sure. Wolves! :p

Like said before, Eönwë was not probably picked by the EW, so I'd not lynch him first. Both Shasta and Greenie feel rather innocent to me (this far), so I'm going to vote the one my maths too suggest we should lynch:

++Kath

I don't think picking her would have been a bad choice from Rikae. She might be a predictable pick, but she seldom seems really wolvish and she's a master of slipping away from becoming a real vote candidate. Rikae could have counted on that Kath would not be voted out easily, even if she was suspected.

Also, when Kath's dead I feel freer. If we don't lynch her, I have to be worried about her constantly... ;)

[A Little Green]

I agree with Lommy that too much conclusions can't be drawn from who Rikae would or would not have picked. However, meanwhile we wait for more people to appear and the discussion to get a bit more lively, I see no fault in discussing this topic. At the very least, it makes people say something. (Me included.)

Everyone, please remember that when Rikae scried the last wolf, she wasn't planning for him to go in alone. At that point, she couldn't have known that Durelin would be scried, and Celuien handed over for lynching. Had things gone according to Rikae's plan, we would have three wolves right now, instead of one. This last wolf was meant to work as part of the team, not on his own.Good point. In this light, we could look for a person who would fit in well in a pack with Dury and Celuien. (No idea who that might mean.) :rolleyes:

I, too, have to vote pretty soon, and I don't know who to vote. I suppose I'm off to do some reading. And by the way, where is everyone? (Maybe I'm just irritated because now is the only time I get online toDay and I'd like to have someone talk with me... :()

[A Little Green]

Because I have nothing else to do, I'll - surprise surprise - make a list!!

Sally - Leaning innocent? Hasn't changed at all during the last Days. It scares me that I hardly think about her as a possible wolf.
Lommy - I'm inclined to think her innocent. Her behaviour is genuine and hasn't changed much, and besides she speaks sense.
Roa - Would have been a very good pick for Rikae, but seems innocent enough.
Shasta - No real opinion on him at this point.
Legate - Again, a very good possible pick. I'd very much like to see him toDay before I go so I can judge better.
Lalaith - The double-scry stuff gives me a headache so I won't comment on that. Anyway, she has behaved very innocentishly toDay so I'm inclined to think her innocent. (Wow, what a logic!!)
Gwathie - No idea, could be anything.
Dury - Innocent, obviously.
morm - A very difficult case. Would have been a risky pick, but also a brilliant one. I have the impression of him being somewhat more helpful toDay. Don't know what to make of that, though..
Eönwë - No idea. Probably not a wolf.
Kath - Would have been a very good pick for Rikae as well. Could be the last wolf. I'd like to see more of her as well before I go.

So.

Being an excellent pick for Rikae:
Roa
Legate
Kath
(morm)

Has changed behaviour lately:
morm (Though he has behaved rather more innocentish... Bah. My logic isn't working.)

Sneaky or under my radar:
Sally
Shasta
Gwath
Eönwë
Kath

I don't suspect at the moment:
Dury
Lommy
Lal

This is frustrating. I made these silly lists to clear my thoughts but they are just more messed up than ever. I hope someone turns up before I have to go, which is in an hour or so, because I don't really like talking to myself.

[A Little Green]

Blah, it seems my hopes of getting company are doomed to fail. I'll have to vote very soon now... My vote candidates at the moment are Kath and morm, possibly also Leggie. I feel uneasy about voting any of them, though, I have seen so little of them toDay.

[A Little Green]

Gah.

++ Kath

Good night.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am here, but I won't post really anything toDay. See the admin thread, what more, everything became kinda dramatic for me suddenly so I did not have time to do anything. I can't read the thread and thus judge anything, the less vote.

Sorry, I'll try to do better when I'm back toMorrow.

[Kath]

I will say little in my own defence, if someone's mind is made up about me there's hardly a lot I can do. I am not a wolf so my death will not help you, but nor am I the Ranger so it will harm you in no way but numbers, and we can probably afford a couple of mistakes at this stage. I would rather not be lynched though, it's been a very long time since I've lived to the end.

Oh, which reminds me of something morm said about wanting to be a lone wolf. Brave, brave man! I've done it twice and it's the most nerve-racking thing in existence.

Now I am going to make myself look entirely suspicious by suspecting Lommy right back. :p But there are reasons. She made three posts all within minutes of each other:

Post 1 - argues that we should remember Rikae was choosing her last wolf, and that Lalaith would possibly make a good wolf.

Post 2 - we should ignore Rikae's opinion and focus on wolvishness (here actually I agree) and wolvishness is appearing and just voting yesterDay, which she then admits even innocents did, surely then negating her point.

Post 3 - her reasons for voting me are based around Rikae's opinion not my apparent wolvishness, going back against her point in post 2.

But, actually, I don't think she's suspicious. I think she had little time and is arguing herself in circles. I don't know why she found it imperative to vote quite so early though. Anyway, the person I actually find suspicious is Greenie, who leapt on the back of Lommy's vote. The last game I was in, an unwitting innocent voted another innocent, and within minutes the last wolf had voted right alongside them, thus winning the game. Clearly that's not going to happen in this situation, we have too many players left, but it does remind me of it.

I don't know. This could be entirely reactionary given that the two of them voted for me, and that's the first time I've felt any attention on me since the beginning of the game.

[mormegil]

By the way, as luring as the approach of who Rikae would have picked is, I think we shouldn't give it that much importance. I think we've already proved that almost everybody would be a good and a bad choice in one way or another. So we really can't deduce anything. It'd be better to concentrate on actual wolvish behaviour, even as there's probably little of it to be seen yet.

The very next post...

Like said before, Eönwë was not probably picked by the EW, so I'd not lynch him first. Both Shasta and Greenie feel rather innocent to me (this far), so I'm going to vote the one my maths too suggest we should lynch:

++Kath

I don't think picking her would have been a bad choice from Rikae. She might be a predictable pick, but she seldom seems really wolvish and she's a master of slipping away from becoming a real vote candidate. Rikae could have counted on that Kath would not be voted out easily, even if she was suspected.

Hmmmm....

[Roa_Aoife]

By the way, as luring as the approach of who Rikae would have picked is, I think we shouldn't give it that much importance. I think we've already proved that almost everybody would be a good and a bad choice in one way or another. So we really can't deduce anything. It'd be better to concentrate on actual wolvish behaviour, even as there's probably little of it to be seen yet.

That's a very good point. But we can try to figure out who would make a good teammate for Durelin and Celuien.


I have to vote soon. It turns out I won't have time to vote during my lunch break.

Anyways,

++Morm

Alot of his expressed suspicion yesterday seemed very manufactured to me. And he did show a marked change in behavior between Day 4 and Day 5. I really don't have anymore to go on at the moment. Good luck, and I'll hopefully see you on Day 7.

[Gwathagor]

I have to vote now, but the fact that there has been hardly any talking makes it difficult. So, because I would have chosen her if I was the EW, I'll vote:

++Roa

Hopefully there will be a little more discussion toMorrow. Oh wait. I won't be here. Blah. :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, I don't think Rikae would have chosen a loud wolf, given that every other person she has scried thus far has been of the quiet type. I don't trust anyone, but I do think that the fewer the post count, the more likely it is for them to be a wolf.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh wait. I won't be here. Blah. :rolleyes:

Why is that?

[Lalaith]

Yes, why, Gwath?

Anyway, I'm checking in a little later than promised - I was so tired when I got in, I needed a bath and a glass of wine...now, off to read the Grimoire. Back soon.

[mormegil]

I've been trying to observe Roa today and it seems that she is quietly trying to gain control of the village, which could be fine and fairly normal but it is something that concerns me to see it.

If I may explain my behavior I will. Initially I was not into the game as time didn't allow me to keep up on the prolific posting of the thread. When I finally had time and things had calmed down enough it was the day we knew Celeiun to be guilty and nobody did much that day. Anyway I'm trying my best now, with still some limited time.

It seems oddly quiet now, which is a big concern for me as our numbers are dwindling I hope to see the remaining players be fairly active.

[Eönwë]

Lommy the ultimate Eönwë-suspector...


Personally, I would not be surprised if someone of those who just popped in and voted yesterDay (with no RL excuse) was quite furry, because who else than a wolf would think there's nothing more to do that Day? (Well, looking at the number of posts, probably quite a few innocents.) Anyway, I'm going to do a check.

Okay: Eönwë[....]did not do anything of importance but vote after Celuien's role was revealed for sure. Wolves!)
Lies! All of it!:p

There really was nothing to do yesterday. It was becoming boring. People just go, "oh, he/she is a were wolf" and then they just go "yes I am" and that's it. AND there was much less activity that Day. Who can blame me? (other than 0)

[Lalaith]

Right. I've just had a scroll through the Grimoire. Took me a while because I got reminiscing....oh I do miss Ang...sigh.
*shakes self* Anyway. It hasn't been updated for a while, not since WW 34.
I really can't face going through the other games.
So, I found that only Sally and Gwathagor (and obviously newbie Eonwe) hadn't played with Rikae up to game 34. Perhaps of course, they've played since.

I also found, and this is quite interesting, that Shasta was a surviving wolf in the game that Rikae modded herself. Hmmm.....

[Eönwë]

I've been trying to observe Roa today and it seems that she is quietly trying to gain control of the village, which could be fine and fairly normal but it is something that concerns me to see it.

If I may explain my behavior I will. Initially I was not into the game as time didn't allow me to keep up on the prolific posting of the thread. When I finally had time and things had calmed down enough it was the day we knew Celeiun to be guilty and nobody did much that day. Anyway I'm trying my best now, with still some limited time.

It seems oddly quiet now, which is a big concern for me as our numbers are dwindling I hope to see the remaining players be fairly active.

I agree with mostly all you are saying, morm but I think you might be exaggerating a bit about Roa.

But I wholeheartedly agree with you on member activity, and also have had a similar situation (in regards to the amount of time spent on here).

edit: Lal killed my double post :( :p

[Eönwë]

Everyone, please remember that when Rikae scried the last wolf, she wasn't planning for him to go in alone. At that point, she couldn't have known that Durelin would be scried, and Celuien handed over for lynching. Had things gone according to Rikae's plan, we would have three wolves right now, instead of one. This last wolf was meant to work as part of the team, not on his own. Please remember that when trying to think of who Rikae picked.


True, true

I knew Cailin was a fellow WW on Night 3, because Rikae informed us other wolves that we could try to go after her if Cailin was in danger. That was when she revealed to us, because she knew she had been scried. I don't know how she somehow knew Cailin would be in danger...the amount of interweaving of her and phantom's plans really is just...insane. Uncanny.

Are you sure they're not real wizards, who can tell each other's minds?:eek:

[Kath]

Vote count:
Lommy --> Kath (1)
Greenie --> Kath (2)
Roa --> morm (1)
Gwath --> Roa (1)

Have we actually heard from Shasta at all toDay? There was that one post from Legate but it didn't look much like he intended to return.

So, who might Rikae have wolved (I get round to it eventually :rolleyes:)? I would say Shasta was quite likely. He's got through the game largely unsuspected and has been noisy enough to keep him off the 'slipping under the radar' lists but not so noisy that he has been the focus of attention. Roa I could see being a likely one too, she's more than capable of carrying a game on her own if necessary. Same goes for morm.

Legate I think is unlikely especially given his time problems. Gwath I think is unlikely too ... although I don't know why. Eonwe I would say was unlikely because he was quiet to start with and I'm not sure Rikae would want to leave the game in the hands of a newbie, however well he's done to keep up with this insane game!

Greenie, Lommy, Lalaith? I simply don't know. I suspected Greenie earlier, I still find it odd that she jumped right in with Lommy. She to me is the most suspicious of the bunch.

Haha, I've realised that I'm about to say: please talk some more everyone! Hypocrite extreme there but oh well. I simply can't make up my mind at the moment, I need more to work with.

[Lalaith]

Legate I think is unlikely especially given his time problems

Well, yes, at the moment, but had these problems emerged at the time Rikae did her wolfing/scrying? Can you remember?

[satansaloser2005]

Shoot! I could go for lynching either Morm or Roa. I'd like to give Kath another Day, just to see how she acts toMorrow (not sure of her yet).


Roa has been in my suspicions for a while, but it's not longevity that matters, but my feelings for the last Day or two. So I'll have to go with

++Morm



I won't be back until after deadline, so vote wisely everyone. See you all toMorrow hopefully.

[mormegil]

Shoot! I could go for lynching either Morm or Roa. I'd like to give Kath another Day, just to see how she acts toMorrow (not sure of her yet).


Roa has been in my suspicions for a while, but it's not longevity that matters, but my feelings for the last Day or two. So I'll have to go with

++Morm


Sorry, I must laugh at this. Your earlier argument was inherently flawed becaused you started with a conclusion then drew your argument around the predetermined conclusion. Also, I pointed out to you that your two 'major' points were flawed which you acknowledge...I daresay you are being a bit lazy Sally...why when I think you innocent, it is difficult to fathom at this stage that we wouldn't get the innocents really involved.

Based upon what I spoke of earlier I am inclined to vote for Shasta as I'm not convinced that Lal would have been double scried though I'm not willing to forget the possibility either. I can wait a bit on my vote to see where it goes but likely I will vote Shasta today.

[Lalaith]

Ok, I was clearly half-asleep this morning. I thought it was Roa criticising me for including me on my own list, and then saying why didn't morm include himself on his.
So, I thought I had something there, as in weird flip-flopping from Roa....but it seems not. It was morm who was complaining about the list.

Morm is being stroppy today. He has changed, 'tis true. But what we are getting today is more like the usual morm.

Oh I don't know. Whatever Lommy says, I am still sticking to my "what would Rikae do?" rubric. My suspects remain Roa, Morm, Kath and Legate - and now with new added Shasta, because of my Grimoire research.

[Eönwë]

My suspects remain Roa, Morm, Kath and Legate - and now with new added Shasta, because of my Grimoire research.

What, as in "Research shows that Shasta kills 50% more villagers than the leading brand."?

[satansaloser2005]

Magic break from work, so I thought I'd check in.



What, as in "Research shows that Shasta kills 50% more villagers than the leading brand."?

Heh. *suppresses a chuckle* Anyway, Shasta's not here toDay, so let's not worry ourselves about him right now. Not saying that we should ignore him, but he's not around to speak anyway, so I'd rather deal with people who are actually here.




There's a lot of votes missing so far. I mean, I know Legate's busy and it doesn't look like he'll be back toDay, but it's really quiet. Where are you all? (Like I should talk, I haven't had the time to do anything properly since I got up this morning)

[Lalaith]

I'm so tired, I've got to go to bed now, so I need to vote.
This is hard, but looking over my suspects, I think on balance Kath has been acting most wolfy today. When she came in this morning going "oh no, all these innocents gone", and saying very little else - hmmm. I've seen wolves do that in my time.

++KATH

[Kath]

When she came in this morning going "oh no, all these innocents gone", and saying very little else - hmmm. I've seen wolves do that in my time.
I'm sure you've seen innocents do it too, but my point from this morning remains.

I don't know why I'm coming across as so wolvish toDay when, so far as I can see, my behaviour hasn't changed. I'm starting to understand how Lommy felt the other Day.

[mormegil]

I'm going with my list earlier and my hunch. Nothing has changed my opinion so far and as much as I would love to be the one that kills Kath;)(old rivalry for those not familiar with it) I cannot get the vibe that she is guilty, though I've been duped by her before.

++Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*yawn*

I've been in Little Rock all day, and I am majorly beat. I'm checking in though.

I've never gotten especially nice vibes from Morm, so his vote is no surprise. I don't think he likes me. :rolleyes:

Since I'm about to dash off again (wow, a social life! Whodathunk :rolleyes:), I'm going to go with my gut and

++ A Little Green

because from what I can see, her vote for Kath was pure and simple bandwagoning, and it flashed my radar. Sorry, my love. :p

[Kath]

Vote count:

Lommy --> Kath (1)
Greenie --> Kath (2)
Roa --> morm (1)
Gwath --> Roa (1)
Sally --> morm (2)
Lalaith --> Kath (3)
morm --> Shasta (1)
Shasta --> Greenie (1)

Eonwe, Durelin, Legate and me left to vote, except that Legate seems unlikely to turn up.

I ... am reluctant to lynch morm to save my own skin. I don't think he's a wolf and where's the point in swapping one innocent for another. Shasta or Greenie, yes I'd vote for one of them. Left to my own devices I would probably vote for Greenie because of what I said earlier, but you know, I don't want to leave this game now, so I'll wait to see what others do.

[Durelin]

I have no idea about Kath.

morm feels a little different, but I dunno. Mostly he just seems to be 'around' more, which I think is likely because things have quieted down so much. I was wondering a little when he sorta defended himself against sally's reasoning. Would an innocent morm bother to do that? I dunno.

Eonwe feels different, too.

Greenie and Shasta both feel...likely. Greenie feels careful, which makes her feel more likely.

Will vote soon...

So Kath and myself left to vote? (Legate being mia.)

Edit: Crossed with Kath. Ah, Eonwe left as well.

[Kath]

I had Eonwe left as well.

[Durelin]

I'm totally forgetting Gwath...should probably ponder him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hey, I'm in a sig. :D

[Durelin]

Gwath's behavior yesterDay was actually very interesting. He questioned me, wanting to know how I knew Celuien was a wolf, but once morm pressured him a bit by saying his one post looked guilty, and once people started voting for Celuien, he caved in and voted for her without waiting for any explanation from me.

But anyway...he has no votes, Kath has three. The thing is I'm not sure I want to save Kath or anything, but I do feel other people are more suspicious right now. Mostly from gut stuff.

Hrmmmm. Have around 40 minutes...

[Durelin]

Oh, hi Shasta.

Wonder if Eonwe will vote.

++Greenie

[Kath]

Oh well, it doesn't look like Eonwe or Legate will be turning up. I suppose I can take it to a tie but it seems rather pointless. :(

[mormegil]

I would change my vote to Greenie if I could because I think it more likely that she is a wolf than Kath.

[Kath]

Well, for what it's worth:

++GREENIE

Good luck for toMorrow those of you who make it through!

[satansaloser2005]

Still a chance (isn't there? I need to see who's voted, but it's about DL anyway) I really don't think she's a wolf. If she is, I'll eat all my voting notes for this game.

[Nogrod]

The Day has ended.

Kath's dead.

Narration coming in just a few minutes...

[Nogrod]

”Herbert! Herbert! Quick now! They’re coming!”

Herbert had fallen into some kind of dreamlike state after crudely bandaging his left foot but was awakened harshly as Mr. Hearst pulled him. He fell off the chair stumbling to the floor and hitting his head nastily.

“We must run! Now!” the man shouted pulling him up from the floor quite violently. Herbert could see that Mr. Hearst’s uniform was muddied and his another sleeve had been torn. He was indeed bleeding from that shoulder and didn’t seem to be able to use the arm at all. It kind of just hung there.

Herbert cried from pain when pulled upright and his weight fell to his left foot. The cut he had gotten from the last figurine had gone sour.

“Now!” Mr. Hearst yelled his voice trailing off when Herbert seemed to froze from pain in the middle of the floor.

The first shells landed near enough so that even Herbert realised there was something that was very wrong. He was wide awake now and took a leap towards the table to grasp his figurines ignoring the pain in his foot and his head.

“There’s no time Herbert!” Mr. Hearst shouted as he realised what Herbert was trying to do. He tried to catch the boy rushing towards him.

“I need them!” Herbert cried as he busily picked up figurines from the table with him.

A shell exploded somewhere near the bunker and Herbert heard a voice crying from pain outside. Then the voice died out. But he was now aware there were people running up above, their breath panting heavily and their gear clattering.

“It’s not bombers or artillery! Tanks! They are coming and we must flee… now!” Mr. Hearst grabbed Herbert from the shoulder and yanked him away from the table dragging the stunned boy out from the bunker. He pushed him over the trench. It took some time he finally managed to climb up himself with difficulty using his only usable hand.

One of the female figurines - that of Brita - had dropped from Herbert's pocket and was cracked under his boot as he climbed.

Herbert had thought he had been somewhat aware of the situation but it was only now the full force of the truth hit him. He could never have imagined such a scene. His legs started shaking even if he was on his fours.

Scattered soldiers ran towards them and glancing around he saw a host running for their life towards the forest behind them. The first tanks were already at the other end of the fields behind the ruins of their house and were pounding the fleeing soldiers mercilessly. The enemy infantry was emerging from the edge of the forest behind the tanks.

“Now run! Run for your life! They’re making a break-through!”

Herbert ran. He ran like mad his foot aching more with every step and his head was still feeling dizzy. Explosions went off far and nearer. He was slowly losing his concentration but still pressed on aided by Mr. Hearst’s occasional pushes.

His hand went to his pocket as he ran and picked one of the figurines he had managed to grab from the table. He pulled it out without even trying to guess whose figurine it was.

Herbert took a firm hold of it with both of his hands – still running – and cracked it in two throwing it away without even glancing after it. And he ran.


*~*

With their Good Wizard not there to guide them the villagers were quite confused. Even if his bullying had annoyed people for the last few Days he had still made it smooth and easy basically giving them a wolf a Day. But now it was different. The villagers had to think for themselves. There was only one left but who was it?

The suspicions ran quite equally. First it looked like Kath was going to be lynched but then morm gained a few votes to make it equal only for Kath be put into the lead once more – until Greenie got a few also to tie with first morm and then Kath.

Everyone’s eyes were focused on Eönwë and Legate. Legate seemed to be in heavy sleep and could not be awakened.

“Great udders of disappointment! Where are you Eönwë?” Kath exclaimed in frustration.

“I’d change my vote if I could” morm murmured.


“What are we to do then?” asked Legate who had just awakened.

“Even if I don’t like this, what’s wrong with a good-ole hanging?” morm suggested.

“Nothing I guess…” Kath admitted, “What a pity it had to be me…”

“Let’s hang her then! I have a rope here.” Lommy called.

Greenie and Lalaith took her from both arms and forced her to the oak tree beside the well.

“Now we’ll see what you’ve been up toDay!” Lommy said when she checked the rope and gave Greenie and Lalaith a mark to kick the stool from under her.

“I’ll prove my words to be true.” Kath said laconically. Then the rope tightened and she fell down her feet kicking in the air.

There was no change whatsoever.

Kath had been an innocent innkeeper.


*~*

Alive:

+ A Little Green, a fortune-teller - folklorist - herb-grower - unofficial therapist, advisor and midwife, most presumably a witch, the gammer (the eccentric mother of Lommy & Mac)
+ Shastanis Althreduin, astrologer/fortune teller, gaffer (Greenie's husband, father of Lommy & Mac)

+ Thinlómien, a bird tamer, adult (married to Nilp, Macalaure's sister)
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person, 22 (their son)
+ Satansaloser 2005, Lommy's assistant, 17 (their daughter)

+ Durelin, poisoner 20 (Lhuna's evil twin, daughter of Cailín)


+ Roa_Aoife, school teacher, adult (mother of Legate, Brinn and Kit, wife of Nogrod, sister of Rikae)
+ Legate of Amon Lanc, sheep herder with tp, 19 (brother of Brinn & Kit, Sally's boyfriend, Agan's ex-bf)

+ Lalaith, chocolate maker, adult (sister of Nerwen, mother of Aganzir, Volo's daughter)

+ Mormegil, adult (son of Volo, husband of Celuien, father of Gwath and McCaber)
+ Gwathagor, a highwayman, 20 (McCaber's big brother)



The dead:
Eomer of the Rohirrim, adult (Cailín's husband, Lhuna's and Dury's father); An innocent beheaded by the werewolves on Night1
Nogrod, the judge, adult (Roa's husband, father of Legate, Brinn and Kit); An innocent torn in two by werewolves on Night1
Nerwen, the healer, adult (sister of Lalaith, Volo's daughter); An innocent nailed to the oak-tree on Day1.
Volo, the guy who knows everything about staying alive, the gaffer (Father of Nogrod, morm, Nerwen and Lalaith); The seer mutilated and eyes pulled off on Night2.
Kitanna, a tavern wench 21 (Legate's sister and Brinn's twin sister); An innocent ripped into pieces and thrown into the well on Night2.
Aganzir, the little match girl, 15 (Lalaith's daughter, dates McCaber); A werewolf burnt alive on Day2.
Macalaure, apple farmer, adult (married to Rikae, Lommy's brother); The ranger overpowered by four werewolves in a fight and torn to pieces on Night3.
The Ka, a dog whipper (a fatherless and ageless little child of Lalaith); An innocent impaled to a spear her doll in her hand on Night3.
Cailín, guinea pig breeder, adult (Nilp's sister); A werewolf melted into a candle-wax and burnt on Day3.
Diamond 18, dissolute, 11 (phantom's pre-teen littlesister); The seer eyes picked out (once again, what a bore...), throat slit and thrown into the well on Night4.
Nilpaurion Felagund, a house-bound sandwich-maker, adult (married to Lommy); A werewolf committed a suicide when the whole village turned against him on Day4.
Isabellkya, a gammer who loves asparagus and throwing knives (Shasta's sister); An innocent cut down in a way too horrible to describe on Night5.
Rikae, a lumberjack, adult (married to Macalaure, Roa's sister); The EW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
the phantom, sheep herder with Legate, 21 (their adopted son, Di's brother); The GW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
Celuien, a candle maker, adult (wife of morm, mother of Gwath and McCaber); A werewolf sliced in pieces by the men of the village on Day5.
Brinniel, Greenie's apprentice, 21 (Legate's sister and Kitanna's twin sister, Kath's life partner); An innocent chopped and turned into an exquisite dinner on Night6.
Lhunardawen, healer's apprentice, 20 (Cailín's daughter, good twin of Durelin); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into her life on the morning of Day6.
McCaber, a henchman, 18 (Gwath's little brother, dates Aganzir); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into his life on the morning of Day6.
Kath, tavern owner, 20 (their daughter, Brinn's life partner); An innocent traditionally hanged to the oak tree on Day6.



Night7 has begun!


Ranger and wolf do what you please. Others have a break…

[Nogrod]

The chirping of the early birds echoed in the narrow hallway as the nanny rushed through it to king’s quarters searching for him. Finally she found the king having a council with his nearest advisors.

“What is it now Hilde? Don’t you see we’re having a meeting?” King Sveinn snarled impatiently.

“It’s your daughter my lord. She’s having a fewer the second night in a row… and she seems to be… well… all mixed up. Her mind is distracted… And I have my reasons to believe she has visited your sister yesterday. It was that kind of lunacy… erm… witchcraft I’d say. It is most alarming.” The nanny spoke silently and somewhat apologetically for being this straight.

The king stared at the nanny drawing breath heavily. Hilde was confident he would get a beating for talking such openly in front of all those lords.

“Get the healer and do what you can. I’ll send a word to the guardhouse not to let her slip out from the castle anymore… I’ll come to see her as soon as we are able to decide what to do with king Ethel and the rebelling chieftains.” He paused and turned to look at the map that had been laid on the table. Then he spoke quietly, more to himself than to anyone round him. “They might be here any day now… it’s all the more important Edelfried stays inside the walls…”

“My lord?” Hilde voiced an instinctual question.

“You didn’t hear that!” the king snapped. “The least we need is a panic among the people. You’ll hold your mouth shut. Is that understood?” He looked seriously at the nanny. “Now take your leave!”


When Hilde and the healer finally reached Edelfried’s room they found it empty.

Hilde felt like her heart just ceased to beat. The king is going to throw me to dogs for this…

But then she felt that the missing of the girl was not the only thing that was wrong. Horrified she crept to the window.

In the horizon a sea of flags arose from where there should have been only the fields of the town. An army had emerged to lay siege on the city. People were crying and running towards the gates and pouring inside carrying whatever they had managed to grasp with them. The bells tolled for alarm.

“Edelfried!” She cried from the window. Then she fainted.


*~*

A young man sat on a chair and tried to cool down. His mom had been a werewolf like the girl he had fought over with his brother, and now his brother had just disappeared. He needed a drink. No, on a second thought, he needed to get drunk.

He slipped out of the house and crept quietly over the sandy lane jumping over the fence into the yard between the tavern and its storehouse. There must be cider there… and maybe something else as well…

The door to the storehouse was unlocked and he slipped inside. He found the lantern that was hanging near the doorpost and lit it. In the faint light he started to look around for something to drink.

Hanging from the roof there were dried hams and bunches of herbs, at the wall there was a row of crates of vegetables and two barrels of flour were standing in the middle of the low storeroom. But just beside him there were two tuns he recognized immediately. After a short search he found a five-pint jug and untapped one of the tuns letting the jug get filled with Macalaure’s strong cider.

Gwath sat to the small porch of the storehouse and started drinking. He was serious about it and soon he was quite moved with everything that had happened. This is soo wrong! This is such a wretched world… He realised he was getting emotional and that moved him even more. Why? Oh why?

“Care to share some of that?” A low but soft voice asked him abruptly.

Gwath froze recognising the form of a giant werewolf bending over him and pointing at the jug in his hands.

“Well… erm… sure… erm… Please.” Gwath managed to mumble in the end and the werewolf took the jug emptying it with one big draught. After wiping it’s mouth it grinned to Gwath revealing it’s razor-sharp canine teeth.

“I love aperitifs, they surely do good to your stomach… and to your appetite!”


Come morning the villagers found out that what they feared had come true. One of them, Gwath, was missing. But it took them a while to find him – or what was left of him. But when they finally searched the storeroom it was painstakingly clear what had happened.

As this is a family-friendly site there will be no detailed description here. But let it be said that many of the vegetable supplies in the storehouse were no longer ones anyone would have consumed voluntarily. And all the mushrooms, gherkins and sour-cream were totally wasted.


*~*

Alive:

+ A Little Green, a fortune-teller - folklorist - herb-grower - unofficial therapist, advisor and midwife, most presumably a witch, the gammer (the eccentric mother of Lommy & Mac)
+ Shastanis Althreduin, astrologer/fortune teller, gaffer (Greenie's husband, father of Lommy & Mac)

+ Thinlómien, a bird tamer, adult (married to Nilp, Macalaure's sister)
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person, 22 (their son)
+ Satansaloser 2005, Lommy's assistant, 17 (their daughter)

+ Durelin, poisoner 20 (Lhuna's evil twin, daughter of Cailín)


+ Roa_Aoife, school teacher, adult (mother of Legate, Brinn and Kit, wife of Nogrod, sister of Rikae)
+ Legate of Amon Lanc, sheep herder with tp, 19 (brother of Brinn & Kit, Sally's boyfriend, Agan's ex-bf)

+ Lalaith, chocolate maker, adult (sister of Nerwen, mother of Aganzir, Volo's daughter)

+ Mormegil, adult (son of Volo, husband of Celuien, father of Gwath and McCaber)




The dead:
Eomer of the Rohirrim, adult (Cailín's husband, Lhuna's and Dury's father); An innocent beheaded by the werewolves on Night1
Nogrod, the judge, adult (Roa's husband, father of Legate, Brinn and Kit); An innocent torn in two by werewolves on Night1
Nerwen, the healer, adult (sister of Lalaith, Volo's daughter); An innocent nailed to the oak-tree on Day1.
Volo, the guy who knows everything about staying alive, the gaffer (Father of Nogrod, morm, Nerwen and Lalaith); The seer mutilated and eyes pulled off on Night2.
Kitanna, a tavern wench 21 (Legate's sister and Brinn's twin sister); An innocent ripped into pieces and thrown into the well on Night2.
Aganzir, the little match girl, 15 (Lalaith's daughter, dates McCaber); A werewolf burnt alive on Day2.
Macalaure, apple farmer, adult (married to Rikae, Lommy's brother); The ranger overpowered by four werewolves in a fight and torn to pieces on Night3.
The Ka, a dog whipper (a fatherless and ageless little child of Lalaith); An innocent impaled to a spear her doll in her hand on Night3.
Cailín, guinea pig breeder, adult (Nilp's sister); A werewolf melted into a candle-wax and burnt on Day3.
Diamond 18, dissolute, 11 (phantom's pre-teen littlesister); The seer eyes picked out (once again, what a bore...), throat slit and thrown into the well on Night4.
Nilpaurion Felagund, a house-bound sandwich-maker, adult (married to Lommy); A werewolf committed a suicide when the whole village turned against him on Day4.
Isabellkya, a gammer who loves asparagus and throwing knives (Shasta's sister); An innocent cut down in a way too horrible to describe on Night5.
Rikae, a lumberjack, adult (married to Macalaure, Roa's sister); The EW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
the phantom, sheep herder with Legate, 21 (their adopted son, Di's brother); The GW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
Celuien, a candle maker, adult (wife of morm, mother of Gwath and McCaber); A werewolf sliced in pieces by the men of the village on Day5.
Brinniel, Greenie's apprentice, 21 (Legate's sister and Kitanna's twin sister, Kath's life partner); An innocent chopped and turned into an exquisite dinner on Night6.
Lhunardawen, healer's apprentice, 20 (Cailín's daughter, good twin of Durelin); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into her life on the morning of Day6.
McCaber, a henchman, 18 (Gwath's little brother, dates Aganzir); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into his life on the morning of Day6.
Kath, tavern owner, 20 (their daughter, Brinn's life partner); An innocent traditionally hanged to the oak tree on Day6.
Gwathagor, a highwayman, 20 (McCaber's big brother); An innocent who shared cider with a werewolf on Night7.


Day7 begins!

Discussion is not only allowed... it is encouraged... it is indeed strongly recommended! :D

[satansaloser2005]

Oh noes....Gwath.... :(

A young man sat on a chair and tried to cool down. Her mom had been a werewolf like the girl he had fought over with his brother, and now his brother had just disappeared. He needed a drink. No, on a second thought, he needed to get drunk.

He's dead AND gender-confused....poor guy. Wish I'd been nicer to him....;)

[satansaloser2005]

DAY SIX VOTES
Lommie-->Kath at 3:30am
Greenie-->Kath at 6:11am
Roa-->Morm at 9:41am
Gwath-->Roa at 9:49am
Sally-->Morm at 2:18pm
Lal-->Kath at 4:18pm
Morm-->Shasta at 4:46pm
Shasta-->Greenie at 4:51pm
Durie-->Greenie at 5:23pm
Kath-->Greenie at 5:39pm
No votes: Eon, Legate


You know the drill....

[Nogrod]

He's dead AND gender-confused....poor guy.Gah!

Corrected... :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

Hmm... I was not expecting Gwath to go down. That's very interesting. I need to do some more analysis. I'll be back soon... *is very contemplative*

[satansaloser2005]

Blah. Only one post since I left. :(

I'm going to head back home and look over the last couple Day's posts to see why Gwath might have been killed, and I'll be back in an hour or two....or three or four *is going to watch Doctor Who while she reviews posts* See you when I return. Oh, and *cough* post while I'm gone *cough*

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright...

I feel that Kath was lynched on very poor reasoning yesterday. It had nothing to do with her behavior, but rather the idea that she would make a good wolf pick. This reasoning applies to almost everyone in the village.
Borrowing Sally's vote record, the ones that voted for her are:

Lommie-->Kath at 3:30am
Greenie-->Kath at 6:11am
Lal-->Kath at 4:18pm

It is possible that the last wolf hid among these.

Of course, the last wolf may have also tried to stay clear of a bandwagon to avoid attention, which also leaves:


Roa-->Morm at 9:41am
Morm-->Shasta at 4:46pm

Obviously I cannot review myself. If someone else would like to take that on, I'd appreciate it. *looks significantly at Durelin*

Ugh... I don't want to start with Lommy. I'll get Lal first.

[Roa_Aoife]

*slaps self in forehead* Oh Duh! I've been completely ignoring this point until now. Celuien and Rikae both knew the last wolf on the final Day. Now, Rikae didn't post anything but nonsense, but Celuien had sometime before Durelin handed her over in which she posted various opinions. Durelin, you knew how she was working in general- can you look through her posts on Day 5 to see if there's any possible connections to the still living?

[mormegil]

I find it very odd that Durelin is still alive and to a lesser degree Lal. Gwath is an odd choice indeed. Due to the fact that I am in the process of moving and what not I'm not sure how much time I can dedicate to ferreting out the lone wolf but I will try...more than likely I will go with my gut. Roa is a bit concerning to me, again.

[Roa_Aoife]

Lalaith Analysis

Day 4 (Known to be a de-gifted ordo)

Post 1 - Pops in to say that she doesn't have time to do a list. Feels very uncomfortable about Lommy.

Post 2 - Votes Nilp

Post 3 - List:

Good: Phantom
Probably Good: Brin, Legate, Gwath, Morm, Celuien
No Idea: Eonwe, Lhuna, Durelin, Kath, Sally, Shasta
Bit Worried: McCaber, Isabelkya
Really Worried: Roa
Very, very worried: Lommy
Evil: Rikae, Nilp

Post 4 - Gives reasons for beng worried about Roa: Believes Roa to be a very loyal and protective team member, and she seemed to be protecting Rikae the previous Day.

Post 5 - Decides to give reasons for being worried by Lommy later. Agrees with Izzy, says she's trying to be helpful.

Post 6 - Reasons for suspecting Lommy: summed up to a bad feeling and instinct

Post 7 - Banter

Post 8 - Points out that we have very good odds, suspects Nilp was an original wolf, points out that the wolf made in the next Night will have been innocent up until Day 5

Post 9 - Responds to Izzy, wonders why Izzy doesn't trust phantom


Day 5 (possibly Turned)

Post 1 - Checking in, sees that phantom outed her, and declares that she is still an ordo

(I always am a bit suspicious of people who declare themselves to be ordos- no one else can know that for sure really, so there's no point in saying it. Of course, that may just be me, but I've seen so many wolves do it....)

Post 2 - Agrees that this is getting boring. Votes Celuien. Apologizes for suspecting Lommy on the previous Day, doesn't believe Lommy is the new wolf because she was under too much suspicion

Post 3 - Response to Rikae


Day 6

Post 1 - Wishes more people had made lists like Lommy had, continues to believe Lommy is innocent, makes a list:

Likely: Sally, Gwath, Shasta, Legate, Kath

Likely but risky: Morm, Roa

Unlikely: Eonwe

Very Unlikely: Lommy, Lal

Wonders about looking the Grimoire. Says she would have picked Kath, Legate, Morm, or Roa. Thinks Rikae would have avoided potential Rangers.

(Lists like this one that conveniently place oneself out of suspicion also bother me.)

Post 2 - Apologizes for leaving Durelin off her list, slightly mistaken response to Roa, agrees that morm should be on his own list

Post 3 - Says she's going to read the Grimoire

(Just a note about the rules- I don't believe we are allowed to use evidence on threads outside of this one, including the Grimoire.)

Post 4 - Evidence from the Grimoire

(Not repeating, because again, I'm not sure we can use this legally.)

Post 5 - Asks if Rikae knew about Legate's time problems on Night 5

Post 6 - Correction on response to Roa, Says that while morm has changed, he's changed to being more normal. Adds Shasta to list.

(Not sure how morm seeming more normal than when he was known to be innocent has much to do with anything- I know I picked him as a wolf because of how normal he could seem while being evil.)

Post 7 - Votes Kath


Lal seems markedly different between Day 4 and Day 5. Her tone changes from assuring to confusing. Some of her behaviors really raise my eyebrows.



Morm, why?

[Lalaith]

Ha - that's a coincidence, as I was in the process of having a quick look at Roa, I find that she's looked at me.

What I've noticed about Roa is that she has been very keen throughout, to point out that Rikae was not picking out a 'lone wolf', but a team member to play with Celeuien and Durelin. A player who she thinks would be similar in profile.
Now on one level this is a good point, and helpful. I think a lot of us were thinking in terms of 'who would be a good lone wolf' - I know I was. I'm not totally sure of the rules on scrying order but I think Roa is right, Rikae would not have known that her wolf had been scried when she made her scry.
However, it is also worth bearing in mind that Roa herself might make a good 'lone wolf', but does not at all fit the character profile of low-posting quiet team wolf that she's been at such pains to draw up over the past couple of days. Coincidence? Hmmm. I'm seeing why Morm was worried about her yesterday.
Although I don't trust him either.
I'm off to re-read the thread once again. It is a pain about so many of the players being absent. I don't know what to think about that. Are either Legate or Eonwe in danger of modfire today? I can't remember if they actually posted, I'll check that too.)

(PS - if the Grimoire stuff was out of bounds, I'm sorry. I haven't played werewolf more than twice in the last 18 months or so, and was reading it partly to get a grip on some of the players who have joined since my heyday.)

[Nogrod]

(Just a note about the rules- I don't believe we are allowed to use evidence on threads outside of this one, including the Grimoire.)
The classical question...

I think the main question is what we count as "evidence".

If someone fex. defends her voting early with "I had no possibility to get online after that moment" and then someone picks the same person posting on other threads (or hanging on the messenger or Facebook) after that and brings that fact forwards, then it would surely count as evidence outside the game and thence wrong (even if in this particular case the one lying would have been quite unethical or unsporty herself as well).

But we all remember things from previous games, from RL, from our overall experience with others and use that kind of reasoning all the time at least when we form our personal suspicions and trusts. Sometimes it might be quite bad - as in one of my first games when Sleepy Ranger was the mod and wrote something in the death-scene that people knowing him better were able to interpret as pointing to The Ka and she was lynched by that information and turned out a werewolf.

I'd say that is not evidence in the strict sense of the word though and as such is not prohibited by the rules.

But I'd encourage people to articulate their ideas by "in-game" based suspicions or good feelings even if those suspicions / good feelings actually arise privately from a much wealthier pool of knowledge (or after actually searching other games / threads). That makes the games more sportsmanlike and in its own way makes this game more open to new players as well.

So if you suspect someone or feel good about someone for any outside-of-the-game basis do still try to formulate them into an in-game argument.

This is an eternity-problem. I know.

[mormegil]

Roa, you will neither understand nor agree, but I will articulate what I can. You seem to be trying to wrest control of the village and to sway popular opinion with early retoric. The problem is, you specialize in this and do it very well. So in and of itself it's not suspicious and acutally is fairly normal. However, my concern is the vibe you are sending me. I am putting myself in the 'lone wolves' place right now and thinking of how I would behave and it's strikingly similar to how you are. You present a good case on Lal, it's well fashioned and logical, but that's part of the problem...you seem almost too emotionless for me, you don't seem lost, if you know what I mean and the only person not lost right now is the last wolf ergo you are a suspect in my mind. Savvy?

[Lalaith]

Yep, Legate did post once, and Eonwe actually posted quite a lot.
I wonder why he didn't vote?
*Looks up*
Thanks for the clarification, Nogs.

So, other thoughts:
Sally is very cheerful and helpful, and seems to have escaped suspicion altogether so far. Perhaps another player who knows her better can have a look at her.
I am also worried about all these players being so quiet - Eonwe, Legate and Shasta. Particularly Shasta.


Next, I am going to look again at Morm. This may however be in a few hours.

[satansaloser2005]

DAY 5

Post #1222 (6:32pm)
Says our odds aren't going to get much better, compliments master Phantom on his de-wolfing of Durie, and says he'll wait to say more until Durie returns. (Lommie, in post #1227 (6:42pm), says he could still speak his mind before Durie returns)

I agree with Lommie here, that he could have spoke without Durie present (it would have given us more to work with). But it's irrelevant now, sadly.


Post #1258 (11:46pm)
Wonders if Rikae's “reveal” was to save Cailin or if it was coincidental. Thinks Rikae wouldn't have gone to so much trouble to save a replaceable wolf. Asks Durie if she knows Cellie is a wolf or if she's just guessing/suspicious.

Gwath's being a little co-dependent at this point. Hold on though, he explains why later. (And unfortunately, when I found him suspicious it was because I missed his explanation post. Crap!)


Post #1259 (11:59pm)
Clears up his vote for Rikae from the previous Day.


Post #1260 (12:10am)
Pulls up Izzy's suspicion list from the previous Day (containing Lommie, Roa, Lal, and Morm). Says that one of these could be the wolf, or else someone could be setting it up to look that way. Doesn't know who to vote, and says the last few days of being instructed by gifteds has reduced his reasoning capacity.

He puts up information, and then presents both sides of what could have happened the previous Night. So far, it's unhelpful and he's not really saying anything (and by that, I don't mean he's not being unhelpful to us, but that he's not giving the wolves a reason to kill him).


Post #1274 (9:34am)
Explains why he's been so anxious to talk to Durie, saying that he wants to make sure that Durie wasn't being lied to about Cellie's wolfishness before he voted for her. Says Morm is trying too hard to make him look suspicious, and says we should all consider that Rikae may have lied to her pack.

Now, this makes sense, but if I was a wolf I would have taken this opportunity to accuse Gwath later, not kill him in the Night. (Again, sorry Gwath, I missed this post, and it definitely makes sense, but we all believed Durie because she wouldn't probably release information without being sure of it, so you understand why I could see the wolf using it to frame you....hmmmm, who else did you say it was again? ;))


Post #1276 (9:58am)
Still not certain, wants to poke around and discuss more before lynching Cellie.

And that is why I could (before) see him being suspicious, because we'd been handed a wolf and he was trying to maybe lynch someone else. So I don't know why the wolf would have killed him instead of keeping him around in hopes some idiot (like me) would suspect him; it would have been an easy enough case to put together. Blah.


Post #1277 (10:23am)
Says he believes Durie, but still wants to know how she knows Cellie's a wolf. Votes Cellie.

Already discussed. He's overly inquisitive, and the wolf could use that against him later. Why kill him? (which brings us to....)

DAY 6

Post #1325 (9:17pm)
Check-in post


Post #1328 (9:25pm)
Chatty Kathy-ing. Says if he was the EW, he'd have scried Roa.

Hmmmm....


Post #1330 (9:33pm)
Confusion about when the last wolf was scried, as well as why Eon and Kath are considered to have been known innocents on Day 4.

Nothing here, except for again, he's not posing a threat to the wolf.


Post #1333 (9:46pm)
Thanks Roa and I for clearing up his questions.


Post #1336 (10:17pm)
Says Legate and Shasta would be good picks, but maintains he would have picked Roa, as she could just keep being loud and avoid suspicion.

Okay, so he brings up other suspects but keeps clinging to Roa as his main suspect. Maybe that's what got him killed? Either Roa or a frame-up job for her, one of the two.


Post #1347 (12:21am)
Says he'll be gone toMorrow. Speaks of his “fan club” and how Rikae probably didn't know about his lynching track record. Asks me why I thought he knew roles. Says Lal is probably not a wolf, and counts her as innocent as Durie.

On the contrary, Rikae could easily read old games and find out your history; she applied for EW, so she had plenty of time on her hands. But irrelevant now, obviously.

The thing I'd like to bring up here (though it isn't about why Gwath died) is that we should NOT consider Lal innocent. It's likely, but the only known role is Durie (and our own, to each of us of course). That leaves each person with 8 suspects, and while we each may find certain people suspicious/innocent, we can't guarantee anyone but Durie. Just my opinion on the matter, nothing more. Rikae's twisted (she's definitely proven it, silly girl) and I wouldn't put it past her to take that much of a risk on Lal.

And another thing. Gwath wouldn't have been here toDay anyway; why kill him last Night instead of getting rid of a more active player and dealing with him the next Night? That's what really bothers me about his death; it was unnecessary.


Post #1362 (9:49am)
Says it's too quiet. Still says he would have picked Roa if he was the EW. Votes Roa.

Still clinging to his suspicion of Roa, although he doesn't mention her in detail a lot. So he's mostly operating off his own choice and hunches; not a bad idea necessarily, but he stuck to her like Krazy Glue and I wonder if Roa would have made that obvious of a kill. You tell me.

[satansaloser2005]

's anyone here? (Not sure if you're all mid-post or if you're away, since the last post was an hour ago)


Well, I'll wait a bit, and while I do.

Why didn't Eon vote yesterDay? We all know he was around for a while, he posted a bit, but he didn't vote. Why? Sorry, it always irks me a bit when people don't vote and there's a tie. (Not to say anything against Legate of course, as he told us all he wouldn't be around) I'm sure there was a good reason, I'd just rather like to hear it, know what I mean?

[satansaloser2005]

So, other thoughts:
Sally is very cheerful and helpful, and seems to have escaped suspicion altogether so far. Perhaps another player who knows her better can have a look at her.



Indeed, please do. Seriously, please do. I'm afraid that if no one suspects me, I'll be wolf killed, and I really don't want that. So suspect me....anyone....

*is slightly kidding, but not really*

[satansaloser2005]

Alright...

I feel that Kath was lynched on very poor reasoning yesterday. It had nothing to do with her behavior, but rather the idea that she would make a good wolf pick. This reasoning applies to almost everyone in the village.
Borrowing Sally's vote record, the ones that voted for her are:

Lommie-->Kath at 3:30am
Greenie-->Kath at 6:11am
Lal-->Kath at 4:18pm

It is possible that the last wolf hid among these.

Of course, the last wolf may have also tried to stay clear of a bandwagon to avoid attention, which also leaves:


Roa-->Morm at 9:41am
Morm-->Shasta at 4:46pm

Obviously I cannot review myself. If someone else would like to take that on, I'd appreciate it. *looks significantly at Durelin*

Ugh... I don't want to start with Lommy. I'll get Lal first.



Hmmmm. Where IS Durelin by the way? And Eon....and Greenie and Lommie and....and Legate. Is he going to be gone again toDay? (Fine by me if he is, but his post was a little vague so I don't know when he'll be gracing us with his presence again. Hope everything's going all right, by the way)


I agree. I think that lynching Kath was somewhat rubbish; she was marginally suspicious but I personally found many others more suspicious than her. Bah, too late now, isn't it? Let's just not make the same mistake again toDay, savvy?

[satansaloser2005]

All right, I'm going home then. I'll try to check in before I pop over to church in the morning, or else I'll come by after and see how things are going. And while I'm at home I promise I'll make an analysis of Lal, and hopefully Roa and Greenie as well. Don't know about Eon, as he hasn't said too much, but I'll try. Good night everyone!


Oh, and if Legate IS gone toDay, we can definitely discuss him (what there is to discuss that is) but let's not lynch him when he's not here to respond to whatever we might say about him. I don't think it's fair to him if he's been busy and comes back to post only to find himself lynched. You lot are all decent though, and I don't think that will be a problem. Just stating my feelings on it, in case it does come up.

[Roa_Aoife]

I don't have much time, so just a few points.

Firstly, Lal, I make a terrible lone wolf. I'm good as a team member or a leader. But I have a tendency to get myself lynched, either because people assume it's safer to kill me off, or because I tend to make more enemies than friends with my harsh analysis.

Secondly, Sally, you weren't there, but I have done the whole "kill off the people who suspect me because no one would ever believe I'd do something so obvious" trick in the past. That was the only game of werewolf I ever lost.

Thirdly, Morm, yes, I do chime in with early rhetoric because A. I like rhetoric, I find it helpful to the village as a whole, and B. the deadline is 2 hours before I get off of work- early is really the only time I have. I'm not trying to control the village, I'm trying to help. I'm tying to work through an analysis of everyone, but I have limited time. Everyone is free to take from the analysis what they want.

Fortunately, I may have more time to actually be around at deadline tomorrow. So, I'll see you then.

[Lalaith]

Ok, I’ve had a closer look at Morm.
The first thing that I noticed was that he’s participating more now. However, this isn’t necessarily a guilty thing - my own participation has been variable due to RL, plus I think a lot of us felt a bit more pro-active since wolves stopped being served up to us on a plate.
His eye of suspicion does seem to rove a bit. He starts off suspecting me, Legate and Shasta. He then goes on to give both Lommy and Roa a hard time. He eventually goes back to voting for Shasta, but then says that he’s so sure of Kath’s innocence that he’d switch his vote to Green. This part puzzles me, as Green hadn’t really seemed to register on his radar, and to me Kath really felt suspicious yesterday. (Otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for her myself :rolleyes:)

Today I’ve felt quite sympathetic to a lot of what he's said about Roa.
too emotionless for me, you don't seem lost, if you know what I mean
This is a good point, Roa’s been putting a lot of emphasis on who’s changed since day 4/5. Well looking through the posts I think that most of us have changed, and that’s to be expected. We all knew what to do before: vote Nilp, vote Cel, etc, and now we don’t. Roa’s been the player who’s stayed the mostly the same throughout, and I think that’s actually more suspicious.

I do however agree with this comment of Roa’s about Morm: how normal he could seem while being evil
Which is why I’ve just had a good look at him. Morm is a scarily good player, even when he's RL busy.
But on balance I am more worried about Roa right now. Because of this assurance thing, and also the double-think.
Lists like this one that conveniently place oneself out of suspicion also bother me
This is precisely what Roa herself has been doing, just in a much more cunning way, by her wolf-profiling.

[Lalaith]

Some thoughts about other players.

Shasta's breezy behaviour yesterday did little to make me feel better about him.
I want Eonwe to explain why he didn't vote.
Sally I don't know what to make of. She is nice and fair to other players, which I like, but seems to vacillate a lot. YesterDay she said that she was suspicious of Kath but wanted to wait on her and give her another day. Then at the end of the Day she was so sure Kath was innocent that she was offering to eat her voting notes. What happened to change your mind so dramatically, Sally?
Her analysis of Gwath today however, was helpful - the point about him suspecting Roa and its pro/con significance was interesting.
I think Sally's point about me not being treated like a known innocent is quite reasonable. Despite what Roa said in her analysis, I did not put myself in the same category as Lommy, I said was 'fairly' rather than very unlikely as a scry. I still do think Lommy is an extremely unlikely scry and thus in my mind at least she is innocent. Given that Rikae did not know that all old wolves would be gone, when she scried her last one, and thus everyone started with a clean slate, she had no reason to think that the high suspicion of Lommy would not continue. Rikae may, as Sally says, be 'twisted', but it would have been beyond reckless, IMO, to have scried Lommy.

Anyway, aside from the innocent Durelin, this leaves Legate and Little Green. Legate I agree should be given a chance to play toDay before we focus on him. Little Green I've never played with before, and I'm finding it hard to get a feel for her. She came in for a lot of suspicion yesterday, and I need to read the thread, yet again, to try to see why.
However, it's a lovely sunny day in RL and I want to enjoy it a bit. I'll see you all later.
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[Eönwë]

Why didn't Eon vote yesterDay? We all know he was around for a while, he posted a bit, but he didn't vote. Why? Sorry, it always irks me a bit when people don't vote and there's a tie.
I want Eonwe to explain why he didn't vote.


My internet just died! I don't know why. It just stopped suddenly, just as I opened Internet Explorer. Hopefully, though, its all sorted out, do I'll be able to post more today (and VOTE).

[Eönwë]

Roa the WW?

Firstly, Lal, I make a terrible lone wolf. I'm good as a team member or a leader. But I have a tendency to get myself lynched, either because people assume it's safer to kill me off, or because I tend to make more enemies than friends with my harsh analysis.

Are you sure you're not just falsely reassuring us? Sounds like something a WW would say, especially since you've not been seriously suspected yet, even though if I had done such posts as you I would have been lynched on Day 1.

And I must agree with morm on this;

Roa, you will neither understand nor agree, but I will articulate what I can. You seem to be trying to wrest control of the village and to sway popular opinion with early retoric. The problem is, you specialize in this and do it very well. So in and of itself it's not suspicious and acutally is fairly normal. However, my concern is the vibe you are sending me. I am putting myself in the 'lone wolves' place right now and thinking of how I would behave and it's strikingly similar to how you are.

But I've never played any WW, so I don't know how you usually play. I'll go and check some threads......

[Eönwë]

I agree. I think that lynching Kath was somewhat rubbish; she was marginally suspicious but I personally found many others more suspicious than her. Bah, too late now, isn't it? Let's just not make the same mistake again toDay, savvy?

I would have written this first had she not beaten me to it.:mad::D

[Eönwë]

Roa’s been putting a lot of emphasis on who’s changed since day 4/5. Well looking through the posts I think that most of us have changed, and that’s to be expected. We all knew what to do before: vote Nilp, vote Cel, etc, and now we don’t. Roa’s been the player who’s stayed the mostly the same throughout, and I think that’s actually more suspicious.

ooh yes... that too.

It didn't occur to me before, but now I think about it, yes.





But then contrary to mty previous post, I must conclude that even though Roa has acted suspicious, I don't think she's a WW.

[Eönwë]

Then, on to Sally.

She's quite nice to everyone, but she seems of late more bright and cheerful than before (I'd better go and check some posts to back up this point later on).

[Eönwë]

His eye of suspicion does seem to rove a bit. He starts off suspecting me, Legate and Shasta. He then goes on to give both Lommy and Roa a hard time. He eventually goes back to voting for Shasta, but then says that he’s so sure of Kath’s innocence that he’d switch his vote to Green. This part puzzles me, as Green hadn’t really seemed to register on his radar, and to me Kath really felt suspicious yesterday. (Otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for her myself :rolleyes:)

morm is a tough one. He looks like he would be an excellent wolf, but now he doesn't seem like he's as careful as he would be in mormwolf mode (well, I think so). His posting has actuallly become louder and more forthright than before


Now with hextuple(or is that sextuple) WW-slaying busting! Wa-hey!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hello all ye people, I am back!

Well, I have gone somewhat through what's been posted. I am just trying to settle my thoughts. As I haven't been much around before, let me go aloud through some things which have been no doubt mentioned here, but these are for myself.

We are a little bit like in a situation similar to a normal Day 2, because we just got one unknown Wolf (apart from the things we can conclude about his/her identity from what Rikae and/or, as someone mentioned, Celuien posted and/or how do we think Rikae might have picked her Wolf. There's the thing of course, that Cel may not have been informed by Rikae about the other Wolf at all).

As for the people who are around. Sally, it's nice from you to be so fair to everyone, however this of course has nothing to do with the game itself... let us bear this in mind. Anyway, she made good point about Roa, which has been mentioned. I have the feeling more people are going to stop by this. Roa puzzles me, as she is plainly discussing what she would or would not do, in fact, she is herself bringing up the subject "I can be a Wolf and why". There is the "I am not a good lone wolf" part - she is technically saying: "I wouldn't be a good pick", but whichever way it can be interpretated, we should remember that it's not about what Roa thinks about herself, but what Rikae could have thought about her. Then there's the point made by somebody (hey, wasn't it even Roa herself...) that Rikae did not know that this is her last Wolf, which is true. Anyway, there she is continuing, concerning the possibility of her killing Gwath while he suspected her. This is more interesting. "But I can kill a person who suspects me," says Roa to Sally, which we can read simply as: "I may have killed him!". A logically thinking person must think: why would she say that (if she's a Wolf), as it destroys one argument for her innocence? And now we may start to think: Is it just Roa, or is it pre-emptive strike because someone could say that instead of her "but Roa actually did once kill..." and then when she says it about herself, it won't look as bad as if somebody else said it; or is it something else - like that Roa-wolf simply confuses us... whatever. But anyway, then Roa continues: "This was the only game of WW I ever lost." It may be merely stating the fact. But it may be also (from Roa-wolf) a negation of the before said, as it subtly says: "I lost because of it, so (as you readers must conclude) I won't be that stupid to do it again!"
It may also be that she is simply "giving it up", or, how to say that, playing not too carefully and doing things like that, playing "the odds for me are not great, so let's just have fun with the playing, try to confuse them by posting like this and if I am lucky, they'll let me win".

Or it may be a brutal frame-up against Roa.

In that case I would suggest it coming from Morm. :p

Okay, anyway. I see my post has turned into a Roalysis more than anything else. There is not also probably much more I can post at the moment... the other important things are:
- I agree that likely, picking Lommy would have been quite too dangerous for Rikae.
- Eönwë I can't get much read on... I think his post is more or less the same as these ones on Days before.
- LG... hard to say anything specific...

*scratches head* Must think on the rest. But hope you have at least something from me to chew... and all... anyway, I am around. Hooray, see ya.

EDIT: x-ed with Eönwë's 1419 and after that. He looks... quite normal, I'd say. If he's a wolf, he can do it the way that he seems ordinary.

[Eönwë]

Well, that might be all I'm able to post until its almost the DL.

Bye for now.




PS. Please someone else post. I feel like I'm talking to myself. O, how I miss those Days of yore (earlier in this thread)

edit: x-ed with Legate. Someone's finally on the thread!

[Eönwë]

x-ed with Eönwë's 1419 and after that. He looks... quite normal, I'd say.

Hmmm.... What should I think of this. ;)

[mormegil]

I got to thinking a bit and I need some assurance from a few who have the time-line down better than I. Is there any chance that Durelin could be the last wolf? Was she de-wolfified the night that Rikae made her last pick? If so, and I think it was, then she is in the clear, if not, then we need to look at her. The reason this comes up in my mind, is it just seems odd that she is still alive.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I got to thinking a bit and I need some assurance from a few who have the time-line down better than I. Is there any chance that Durelin could be the last wolf? Was she de-wolfified the night that Rikae made her last pick? If so, and I think it was, then she is in the clear, if not, then we need to look at her. The reason this comes up in my mind, is it just seems odd that she is still alive.
Hmm... personally, I have also a little hockey in the dates, and the more the rules, so I simply went to believe what was thought to be right. But from what I collected, it was that she was de-wolved, then phantom asked her and the same day Rikae was dead, so there was no way for her to turn her back? I think she would have died, had she been targeted by Rikae the same Night as the one when she was de-wolved (that would be simply targetting by both wizards at the same Night, and there's the rule for that).

[Thinlómien]

Okay, I'm here.

Kath an ordo? Well... I can't say I'm surprised. I always guess wrong. :rolleyes:

Gwath the ordo killed? Freaky. I was suspecting him a little, and some others were suspecting him even more, and I can't see how he'd been giving gifted vibes... He was possibly killed to confuse us, or for the very reason Sally says it's odd he was killed. If I was the last wolf and feeling at least relatively comfortable, I would indeed go sporty and kill off the one who won't be participating. More discussion in the village, nicer to play. I don't know how many others here would think the same way as I in this... possibly Roa or Legate?

Gwath's kill kind of points to Roa and like morm very smartly noted, she's too cool and not confused at all. She would have been a good pick for the EW. But I think her tone is rather genuine... (Once again I can't make up my mind, it seems.)

And speaking of the EW's picks - it frustrates me when people suggest that the last wolf would be similar to the earlier picks. It's outright silly to assume that. Rikae could have picked anyone. I can't see why she would have picked someone who would fit with the earlier wolves and her styles. If I was her, I probably wouldn't have been that obvious. I might have to go back to see who have assumed Rikae to behave this way - because if you ask me, it's not only silly, but also suspicious to assume that.

The kills here baffle me. Why is Durelin alive? Why Lalaith? Why I? Why sally and Legate and Eönwë who've all been suspected very little? I'm inclined to think the wolf is someone not very much suspected and s/he's trying to drive us crazy by killing those we suspect and leaving those we don't. If that is the case, I'm really looking at Roa.
(One option of course is that the wolf is over-eager to avoid the ranger. I can understand s/he might be a bit panicky about that, but this seems crazy.)

lastly, I can't believe I trust morm. The world has changed. :D And speaking of trusting, I do not trust sally. There's something about her that makes me wary, (but on the other hand, I think she behaves just like her innocent self).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I have been going somewhat through yesterDay's posting and also thinking. To sum things up: I don't find anything particularly suspicious about LG, and I have started to ponder whether Shasta could not be the last Wolf. I mean, the reasons have been stated here: most of all probably his FUR (Flying Under Radar). However, I wish to wait until he shows up and speaks somewhat more. On the other hand, not sure if Rikae would have picked him... I don't think she would as a last Wolf... but as a member of pack, maybe...?

What I am positive on is that she would certainly pick somebody who was not likely a Gifted.

When reading, I was also at the beginning somewhat uncomfortable about Lalaith, thinking about the possibility of her being a Wolf. I mean, if Rikae knew it was her last pick, she may have wanted to go for sure pick (not de-gifting) and even picking Lalaith would have created confusion in the village for a while even if she became suspected - and remember Rikae had (or thought she has) three Wolves at the time, thus, she may not have counted with particularly Lal being the one to remain till the end, but to be one of them for long enough time. However, I guess while reading the thread I was slowly pushed away from this thinking and comforted by almost everybody saying that Lal is likely innocent. Right now I am willing to give her the benefit of doubt, but really...! *finger raised in warning*

[A Little Green]

Gah. I have to leave early one Day, and when I come back for the next one I see I received three votes. :rolleyes:
His eye of suspicion does seem to rove a bit. He starts off suspecting me, Legate and Shasta. He then goes on to give both Lommy and Roa a hard time. He eventually goes back to voting for Shasta, but then says that he’s so sure of Kath’s innocence that he’d switch his vote to Green. This part puzzles me, as Green hadn’t really seemed to register on his radar, and to me Kath really felt suspicious yesterday.This is much along the same lines with what I thought about morm's behaviour yesterDay after I had left. If he is a wolf, he knew Kath was innocent and guessed that she'd probably be lynched and wanted to look good by declaring his trust in her
innocence. On the other hand, if he was an ordo and really thought Kath innocent, he would have wanted to switch his vote to me... I see my logic still isn't working.

I'll make a list (for change), because otherwise I'm bound to forget considering someone.

Shasta - My own husband who voted for me. *angry murmur* On a slightly more serious note, I can't get a read on him.

Lommy - Hasn't done anything suspicious and I have considered her innocentish this far (and still have no real reason to suspect her), but I don't know, something in the tone of her latest post, and the fact that she's brilliant in fooling those who think they know her well enough to catch her if she's bluffing... :rolleyes: So to say, I'm not as easy about her than I was, but don't truly suspect her yet either.

Eönwë - Still can't get a read on him, but at least he hasn't seemed wolfish this far.

Sally - I'm not very suspicious about her either, but the very fact that I am not makes me uneasy about her. (What a logic, again!)

Dury - Innocent, obviously. (No idea why she's on my list.)

Roa - Puzzles me, as before. Seems genuine, but I bet she would even if she actually wasn't.

Legate - He seems much more composed toDay than he did earlier in the game. I don't know whether I should draw conclusions on that or not, because no one posts in an exactly same way throughout an entire game.. Other than that, I haven't much to say about him.

Lal - Still looks very innocentish.

Morm - Very puzzling. I don't know, he might very well be the last wolfie. The way he flip-flopped with his suspicion yesterDay was odd, considering the way he usually seems so certain about one suspect and concentrates on that one.

That's all for now, as I haven't much more to say. I'm off to think.


EDIT: x-ed with Leggie. Hooray, someone's here!!

[Roa_Aoife]

Legate, I would never give up until the seer revealed me if I was a werewolf. It's a little insulting that you'd suggest so. ;)

In a more serious note: Of course I keep going back to the 4/5 changes. It's the only solid information we have. As for my comments about being a wolf:

Roa puzzles me, as she is plainly discussing what she would or would not do, in fact, she is herself bringing up the subject "I can be a Wolf and why". There is the "I am not a good lone wolf" part - she is technically saying: "I wouldn't be a good pick", but whichever way it can be interpretated, we should remember that it's not about what Roa thinks about herself, but what Rikae could have thought about her. Then there's the point made by somebody (hey, wasn't it even Roa herself...) that Rikae did not know that this is her last Wolf, which is true.

Actually, Lal was saying that I was emphasizing the "team wolf" aspect over the lone wolf aspect because I would make a good lone wolf pick. Which is untrue, and Rikae who has played with me as a wolf more than once would know that.

I got to thinking a bit and I need some assurance from a few who have the time-line down better than I. Is there any chance that Durelin could be the last wolf? Was she de-wolfified the night that Rikae made her last pick?

No, there is no chance she could be the last wolf. I'm surprised you asked this. Phantom declared that he descried the Night before the duel. There is no way that Rikae could have scried her again. Honestly, it's a little sloppy of anyone to try to make her suspicious by this route. I don't know why the last wolf hasn't killed Durelin yet, either, but we have a known innocent among us.

Why is my lack of confusion suspicious? I've never been uncalm in a game before unless I'm upset with someone. Right now I have noone to be upset with. Morm, you aren't acting confused. Lal, you aren't acting confused. In fact, the only ones acting confused are Eonwe and Lommy. Possibly Sally.

If I behaved in an uncalm manner, you would call me jumpy, and accuse me of being a wolf. Since I'm not being jumpy, you accuse me of being a wolf for being overly calm. This is definitely the first that's ever happened.

Also, I don't deny that I would make a good wolf pick. That would be silly. Of course I do, and it's best I admit to it. Rikae thought she had a team. She may have wanted me on it. I can't analyze myself, though, which is why I specifically asked Durelin to do so, since I know she's innocent and not the last wolf. (I think the last one is afraid of me. Doesn't want to kill me in the Night because I'm onto his/her trail *coughmormcough* so instead they are trying to get me lynched.)

I find it interesting that once I expressed suspicion in Lal's direction, she decides to start looking for reasons to suspect me. The same goes for morm. I can accept that he just doesn't trust me. That's for the best. I'm more concerned by the people who do trust me, because I wouldn't trust me. The only people moving with a purpose in this village are me, morm, and Lal. Since I know what my purpose is, they are at the top of my list.

Edit: crossed

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate, I would never give up until the seer revealed me if I was a werewolf. It's a little insulting that you'd suggest so. ;)
Well I did not mean really "give up", I was thinking of better words to explain that, but simply... I meant you may try to be a little more careless, or, how to better explain that, daring. Not that you would throw the game away, but simply that you may not be that much calculative and such... you know.

Actually, Lal was saying that I was emphasizing the "team wolf" aspect over the lone wolf aspect because I would make a good lone wolf pick. Which is untrue, and Rikae who has played with me as a wolf more than once would know that.
Well, my point was rather that this is not that much of a point, the main thing was the second part.

(I think the last one is afraid of me. Doesn't want to kill me in the Night because I'm onto his/her trail *coughmormcough* so instead they are trying to get me lynched.)
Hm, that's quite far-fetched-seeming, I think. Why? In the current situation, I'd think the wolf wants to lynch anyone but not himself, while at the same time causing as little suspicion for himself as possible.

In any case, since my first post toDay, my thoughts were (if I put it in the really extreme way): "if Roa is lynched and innocent, Morm should be lynched the next Day". Which is what I think more people would think, including the Wolf. It will be very short-sighted for Morm to get you lynched, as he'd be one to go after you. That's one thought I have about this.

[Thinlómien]

I have a feeling I'm not getting a grasp on this village. *sigh* So, let's see what I'm thinking...

Greenie - I still have no reason to suspect her. She seems genuine, but I'm afraid she's slipping under my radar. Her vote yesterDay was so suspicious that it actually looks innocent. The wolf would be more careful, I think.

Shasta - Another of these "seems innocent but slips under the radar" -types. I find it hard to believe that he'd actually be the last wolf, but everything's possible...

Eönwë - Seems very innocent. Or then he's fooling us all.

Sally - Nice girl. :p She acts kind of wrong at times (focuses on odd things, echoes other people's suspicions a bit too much) but she seems very relaxed and like her usual self. She either is really innocent, or then she has taken one more step to the direction of becoming a master bluffer.

Roa - The tone is genuine and she makes sense. Her defense of herself is reasonable and thought-provoking. Is she too good to be good? I can't shake the feeling Rikae might have wanted to pick her, nor the thoguyht that these kills looks like something Roa could (would?) make.

Legate - *sigh* I wish I could trust him, but I can't. There's an innocentish tone in his posts but I have the feeling that I might be ignoring him with possible catastrophic results. Yeah, this must be the first game ever he's slipping under my radar. I guess I don't suspect him, but I'll keep an eye on him. (By the way I just realised I can type without looking at the keyboard. Yay! :D)

Lalaith - Something in her manner bugs me a little, but I can't say what. It's more uncomfortability than suspicion, though.

Mormegil - I think he seems very innocent but since everybody's been suspecting him I have the nagging feeling of what if I'm wrong...

So, "top suspects": Roa, Sally, Lalaith
But I really don't suspect even them, not much, at least. :rolleyes:


edit: xed with Legate

[Roa_Aoife]

Hm, that's quite far-fetched-seeming, I think. Why? In the current situation, I'd think the wolf wants to lynch anyone but not himself, while at the same time causing as little suspicion for himself as possible.

I don't think it's far-fetched. The lone wolf will be nervous. The odds are against him. He wants to remove threats. He can't just go with the flow- he has to to make sure that attention is focused elsewhere. So he'll find a way to point the finger at others and keep the focus there. And he'll point towards the more dangerous players first.


In any case, since my first post toDay, my thoughts were (if I put it in the really extreme way): "if Roa is lynched and innocent, Morm should be lynched the next Day". Which is what I think more people would think, including the Wolf. It will be very short-sighted for Morm to get you lynched, as he'd be one to go after you. That's one thought I have about this.

Actually, I have been thinking along the same lines, which is why Lal is more suspicious to me right now than morm. Especially with the way she agrees with him and yet finds him suspicious at the same time. If I'm lynched and found innocent, then everyone looks at morm, who would probably be lynched, getting rid of two strong players in one move, while be able to kill the people with the least amount of evidence at Night. She's distancing herself.

[satansaloser2005]

For Lal, on Kath: Kath was on my “unlikely wolf” list. See here:
Kath: she's slipped through unnoticed so far, so she'd be a good pick, too good of a pick actually, and that's why I think she wouldn't have been selected
Although I found her a bit suspicious (as I do pretty much everyone else) there were, as I stated, others I found a lot more suspicious. Once I reviewed her posts again I suspected her even less than before, which is why I posted what I did at the end of the Day.

For Morm, on Durie: The Day of the wizard duel, Phantom said that Durie had been turned, and we know that Rikae scried the last wolf on that Night. So in short, yes, we know for sure that she's innocent. There's no way (at least the way I understand the rules) that she could have been turned back; if Rikae had scried her (instead of the last wolf) she'd be dead anyway, so we know she's clean. Good point though, asking why she's still alive. Probably because the wolf thinks she'll be protected by the ranger, although I would be slightly tempted to try her, as she is a known innocent and the more of those we have around the less chance the wolf has to hide amongst suspicion. (By the way, I'm sure this has been answered already, but I typed this post before I got back on the Internet to check the thread, so sorry if I'm parroting someone)

For Durie, randomly: Heh. I keep trying to type your name as Dure, but I keep thinking “Dur” as in “Duh” and....well, that's just not terribly nice. So I think I'll have to call you Durie. (Not that you were seriously insulted earlier, but it is kind of a kiddish nickname, so I figured I'd explain. ;)) Now, enough of randomness, back to game discussion.

For Legate, on my defense(ish) of him: No problem, dearie. I got lynched once while I was in class; it came out of nowhere and I didn't get to say anything in my defense/suspicion. I just figured it's fair to let everyone have a chance to speak. Same with Shasta yesterDay, as he wasn't home. Ack, it still bothers me that Gwath's dead when he wouldn't have even been here. (oooo....thought)

For everyone, on Gwath: You don't think....you don't think they thought he was the ranger, do you? Nah.... But why else would they kill him instead of an active player? Bah.

Back to Legate, on his thoughts on Roa: Oooo, good point. I actually caught that last night, but I was reading posts on my way to bed (at like 3am heh) so I didn't feel like doing anything about it. She's making comments almost as if she were saying “hey, look, I'm acting like a wolf....or am I?” Curious, indeed. I need to look into this quite a bit, but as I've said she and Morm are my top suspects so maybe I'm a little biased.

For everyone, on me: I'm a bit overloaded today, just so you know, so I'll probably show occasional signs of....*gasp*....intellect. Maybe. *double gasp* That and I'm a bit cranky, so if I sound testy please don't take it personally, I'm just rather tired this weekend.




EDIT: Technically, X'd with everything since....*looks*....Morm's #1426. And, yes, I did parrot. Drat. Anyway, off to catch up.

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa - The tone is genuine and she makes sense. Her defense of herself is reasonable and thought-provoking. Is she too good to be good? I can't shake the feeling Rikae might have wanted to pick her, nor the thoguyht that these kills looks like something Roa could (would?) make.


... *sigh* So now being thoughtful and reasonable is suspicious? "Too good to be good?" Really? Is that what it comes too? "Oh Roa is calm, reasonable, and helpful- she must be evil." :rolleyes: I can't win...

Edit: Crossed

[Thinlómien]

... *sigh* So now being thoughtful and reasonable is suspicious? "Too good to be good?" Really? Is that what it comes too? "Oh Roa is calm, reasonable, and helpful- she must be evil." :rolleyes: I can't win...Poor Roa. :D

[satansaloser2005]

... *sigh* So now being thoughtful and reasonable is suspicious? "Too good to be good?" Really? Is that what it comes too? "Oh Roa is calm, reasonable, and helpful- she must be evil." :rolleyes: I can't win...

Edit: Crossed




....And I can't get suspected, at least not for any reason. Normally I have no problem getting people to look cross-eyed at me, but this game....blast, I just want to survive.



EDIT: Erm, just kidding. Yay for Lommie's suspicion list naming me! :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well I now didn't know what to think of my dear Sally, because her post made me uneasy a little (the explanatory thing about her view on Kath and also her agreeing with me on Roa... I was little worried it it's genuine; however on second reading it doesn't seem as bad as I thought on first reading), however as she says she is tired, I can well imagine that this is because she is tired. Hm, and her parroting, she says that herself... okay, why am I even writing this, I am thinking as I write... the post of sally's makes me think even more that she is innocent.

And:
For Legate, on my defense(ish) of him: No problem, dearie. I got lynched once while I was in class; it came out of nowhere and I didn't get to say anything in my defense/suspicion. I just figured it's fair to let everyone have a chance to speak. Same with Shasta yesterDay, as he wasn't home. Ack, it still bothers me that Gwath's dead when he wouldn't have even been here. (oooo....thought)

I actually did not mean it as having any in-game value. It was simply a thing for also me to remind of, that however fair one is or what, that does not tell anything about his or her wolfiness or unwolfiness. Anyway...

Isn't it good to be lost in the wood / Isn't it bad, so quiet here?

[satansaloser2005]

Well I now didn't know what to think of my dear Sally, because her post made me uneasy a little (the explanatory thing about her view on Kath and also her agreeing with me on Roa... I was little worried it it's genuine; however on second reading it doesn't seem as bad as I thought on first reading), however as she says she is tired, I can well imagine that this is because she is tired. Hm, and her parroting, she says that herself... okay, why am I even writing this, I am thinking as I write... the post of sally's makes me think even more that she is innocent.

And:


I actually did not mean it as having any in-game value. It was simply a thing for also me to remind of, that however fair one is or what, that does not tell anything about his or her wolfiness or unwolfiness. Anyway...

Isn't it good to be lost in the wood / Isn't it bad, so quiet here?



Well, darling, Lal did ask me to explain myself. (see her post 1416) And as usual I'm happy to oblige.




I think I'll look at Eon and see what there is to....well, to see....heh. And you're right; it's too quiet. Perhaps I can remedy that situation for you.

[Thinlómien]

I'm here but I'm quite because I don't have anything to say... Bleurgh, maybe I should go and analyse someone or something. But I'm just too lazy...

[Lalaith]

I'm trying to write a whole bunch of reports for tomorrow so I've just dropped in quickly to catch up. When I came to this, it kind of did my head in, to be honest.
Well I now didn't know what to think of my dear Sally, because her post made me uneasy a little (the explanatory thing about her view on Kath and also her agreeing with me on Roa... I was little worried it it's genuine; however on second reading it doesn't seem as bad as I thought on first reading), however as she says she is tired, I can well imagine that this is because she is tired. Hm, and her parroting, she says that herself... okay, why am I even writing this, I am thinking as I write... the post of sally's makes me think even more that she is innocent.


Eh? What?

I tried to be as helpful as I could this morning. However, it's all very well Roa saying that she and Morm and I are the ones in the village who are moving with a purpose - I suppose that's a compliment of sorts, but right now I'm feeling unsure again. People who were causing suspicion yesterday, like Shasta and Green - people who I wanted to hear more about because I have little or no playing knowledge of them - have slipped off the radar again. I don't know, and right now I'm so busy I haven't got the time to work things out for myself. I wish Durelin would show up, as we all know we can trust her.

[satansaloser2005]

I wish Durelin would show up, as we all know we can trust her.


True, but just because she's innocent doesn't mean she's right. (No offense, Durie) She's fallible like the rest of us. On the plus side, at least we know she won't try to set someone up or do anything sneaky like that.




Sorry, just wanted to say that real quick. Back to Eon. :)

[mormegil]

And speaking of the EW's picks - it frustrates me when people suggest that the last wolf would be similar to the earlier picks. It's outright silly to assume that. Rikae could have picked anyone. I can't see why she would have picked someone who would fit with the earlier wolves and her styles. If I was her, I probably wouldn't have been that obvious. I might have to go back to see who have assumed Rikae to behave this way - because if you ask me, it's not only silly, but also suspicious to assume that.

Lommy, the point has been to see if we can narrow down the field. I think it profitable to see if we can find any commonalities in her picks...I'm sure she didn't think of it as being obvious, people never do but subconciously we all have certain mannerisms or habits that others notice but we are oblivious. This is what I was trying to do so I don't see why this line of thought bothers you so much. It's similar in nature to asking why the wolves killed so and so. We may not know but we may be able to establish a pattern of behavior that leads us to the wolves.

[Thinlómien]

Lommy, the point has been to see if we can narrow down the field. I think it profitable to see if we can find any commonalities in her picks...I'm sure she didn't think of it as being obvious, people never do but subconciously we all have certain mannerisms or habits that others notice but we are oblivious. This is what I was trying to do so I don't see why this line of thought bothers you so much. It's similar in nature to asking why the wolves killed so and so. We may not know but we may be able to establish a pattern of behavior that leads us to the wolves.She might have had a certain intuitive way of picking the wolves, yes, but she's definitely clever enough not to let it ride over her reason. Now that was badly explained. Hmph. Well, she's clever enough that she can use what she thinks is best, not what she feels is best. Which does not mean that she necessarily follows her instictive picking pattern (if she has one), but she could. And thus it's not wise to get stuck on that.

[mormegil]

Actually, I have been thinking along the same lines, which is why Lal is more suspicious to me right now than morm. Especially with the way she agrees with him and yet finds him suspicious at the same time. If I'm lynched and found innocent, then everyone looks at morm, who would probably be lynched, getting rid of two strong players in one move, while be able to kill the people with the least amount of evidence at Night. She's distancing herself.

In my catching up I found myself thinking a similar thought Roa. My thought was a bit less complex but along similar lines. I am thinking that more than likely the last wolf is on the middle to quiet side of things and letting us duke it out. I hadn't thought of Lal but she would fit nicely in here. Lommy and Greenie also fit nicely and Greenie's list was the most non-commital list in recent memory which always makes me assume ill intent.

(I'm only to the above quoted post and catching up)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Eh? What?

Yes, that's probably the best way even I could express it. Simply... I started to write it with the intention to say that it looks suspicious, but that Sally may be tired. The more I read it and the more I thought about it, however, the more I was leaning to the conclusion that it's not as suspicous, and in the end, it ended up the way that I think Sally may be tired, and that she may be likely also innocent.

[mormegil]

I am now caught up and I don't know how I feel about Lal as I think Roa brings up good points about her. I think I have to admit that after much though I think Roa is innocent. Oh, for those who don't know the history...Kath and I are old enemies, nemisis if you will, and we tend to have a good read on each other and that is why I felt strongly that she was innocent yesterday *shrugs*.

Thank you for clearing that about about Durelin, I thought as much but wanted to make absolutely sure...because if it wasnt' 100% then I'd be worried as she'd be a good EW pick...kind of like Lal is...

Anyway I've totally changed my thought process today, which is good I believe. I think I was heading down the wrong path and needed to correct my course. I really think I'm voting for Greenie in this as she is sticking out the most to me on the wolf profile I would envision now. She pops in and gives some apparently helpful posts but really it's not much by way of content, she's remained neutral and non-commital...

++Greenie

[A Little Green]

Anyway I've totally changed my thought process today, which is good I believe. I think I was heading down the wrong path and needed to correct my course. I really think I'm voting for Greenie in this as she is sticking out the most to me on the wolf profile I would envision now. She pops in and gives some apparently helpful posts but really it's not much by way of content, she's remained neutral and non-commital...You insignificant little serpent! :mad: :p

*ahem*

Remaining neutral and non-commital at least is a thing I can explain. Being relatively neutral is due to the fact that I don't like accusing people on weak or no grounds, and since I don't have much clue about who's a wolf, I don't claim so either. As for being non-commital, well, I see no point in talking if not having anything to say.

To other things, then. Like I stated above, I have no idea of who the wolf might be. Or rather, I have ideas of who s/he might be (eight of them, to be exact :rolleyes:) but not of who s/he actually is... Sorry to be so non-commital, but I really have nothing to say at the moment. Hopefully I soon will.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Thank you for clearing that about about Durelin, I thought as much but wanted to make absolutely sure...because if it wasnt' 100% then I'd be worried as she'd be a good EW pick...kind of like Lal is...

Hmm... okay. Anyway, it was only some time after I already replied to you, but at one point you got me thinking if you were not trying to discover a Wolf this way, i.e. finding out someone who would say "yes, Durelin may be actually suspicious!" and this way, catching a Wolf on jumping on your expressed uncertainty. But even though you say here that you only were verifying it, I think I can take that as genuine explanation (also, trying to frame Durelin in such a way would be rather a poor attempt).

What I can't agree on though is the vote for Greenie... like I said before, I don't have anything in particular against her, so... Shasta did not show up at all, I think... so I am leaving him until he shows up or leaving him to modfire... then here is Roa, ack. I may as well vote her. Tsk-tsk, but I need to think, first. In some way, Lommy or Lalaith would be more sinister: from both of them, I get the feeling "boo boo, you are trusting someone who is a wolf"... but then there's what I said above: in the cases of them both, it seems unlikely that Rikae would have picked them. Hrm (said Glóin, at least in the Czech version. "Humph" sounds too ordinary and not Dwarvish enough).

[satansaloser2005]

DAY 4

Post #1282 (11:52am)
Says there should be more posts; wishes the thread were busier.


Post #1293 (2:24pm)
Votes Cellie.

Well, of course. Who else would he vote?


DAY 5

Post #1367 (1:13pm)
Says there was nothing to do yesterDay anyway, and that he wasn't the only one who just stopped in and voted, so he shouldn't be suspected for that.

I to an extent agree; there wasn't too much we could do that day, but I still would have liked to see more discussion (more hypocrisy from me I suppose, but yeah, I'm just a terrible person ;)).


Post #1369 (1:18pm)
Agrees with Morm that Roa may be trying to control the village, then says he (Morm) may be exaggerating. Also agrees with him that there should be more vocal.

Speaking of non-committal....maybe I'm taking this the wrong way, but it seems to me that he's saying "Yes, I agree, but I don't want to align myself with what you're saying". (Wow, I just lost my train of thought. Let's try that again.) It's like Eon's putting his two cents in on both sides of an argument, trying to put out an opinion but not wanting to be too far to one side or another. Actually....it remind me of my first game (when I was an ordo) and I was flipping paranoid I was going to get lynched if I didn't say the right things. At the same time, I think he could be a wolf pulling this off too. (blast, I'm doing it now too!)


Post #1370 (1:20pm)
Agrees with Roa that when Rikae picked the last wolf, her intention wasn't to scry a lone wolf, but a team member for Durie and Cellie.


Post #1376 (3:20pm)
Fun stuff.


DAY 6

Post #1417 (7:23am)
Explains the previous Day's no vote, says his internet died.


Post #1418 (7:31am)
Suspects Roa, saying she is too reassuring and that she is trying to convince of her her innocence even though she's not being suspected that much. Agrees with Morm (again) that Roa is trying to sway the village.

The problem with this post is that (especially for the second point) he just posts Morm's thoughts and says "I agree."


Post #1419 (8:03am)
Agrees with me that lynching Kath was silly.

Again, just copies my post and says "Yup."


Post #1420 (8:11am)
Agrees with Lal that although Roa says we should look for change in players, it's actually more suspicious if someone stays the same. Says that he thinks Roa's suspicious, but not a werewolf.

Bwah? Let me understand this. You think Roa's acted suspicious (aka you think she may be a werewolf) but you don't think she's a werewolf. That's a tad odd. Or is it just me? And again, by the way, he just agrees with what's said (not that I've not been guilty of that myself) and moves on.


Post #1421 (8:13am)
Says I've been cheerful, maybe more than before, and says he'll look into that.

He's reasoning completely on his own, and I like it. Granted, I don't see how being cheerful is suspicious, but I asked (literally, asked) to be suspected so I'm okay with it.


Post #1422 (8:23am)
Says Morm is more "forthright" in his posting than before, and that Morm would probably be more careful if he was a wolf (at least in his opinion).

I rather disagree. I've only played once with Morm that I can remember, but I would think he would be a smooth wolf, but not necessarily a careful one. Then again, I'm not a careful wolf, so it may be me projecting myself on him. Either way, I don't think a posting style change (which Morm attributes to RL issues) is a reason to suspect him; in my case, it was the general way he was acting (terribly hard to explain) the last few days that was odd rather than the change that may have come upon him from before the last scry.


Post #1424 (8:32am)
Says he has to leave for most of the Day, asks people to post while he's gone.


Post #1425 (8:36am)
Wonders what Legate means when he calls him "quite....normal"






Notice how half of his posts dont' even have commentary from me beneath them. That's because there's not a lot to them. He hasn't posted a lot, and what he does post is....untraceable. He's just joined two of my lists: the "he's slippery enough to be a wolf" list and the "if he's not a wolf, why is he still alive?" list.


Posting this and hunting down some drugs. Back in a bit. (I hope this makes sense y'all)

[Thinlómien]

I don't like this silence. Unfortunately, I'm partly to blame. I also don't like the fact that I don't have any idea who to vote. I'd be most inclined to vote Roa, but I'd hate to vote her with the feeble grounds I have... maybe I'll start reconsidering Shasta's guilt.

[satansaloser2005]

I don't like this silence. Unfortunately, I'm partly to blame. I also don't like the fact that I don't have any idea who to vote. I'd be most inclined to vote Roa, but I'd hate to vote her with the feeble grounds I have... maybe I'll start reconsidering Shasta's guilt.



Great. Right as I'm about to say "speak up everyone" Lommie pops up. Maybe it'll work for the rest of you too.

It's only a bit over a half hour before the deadline. And only one vote. Bah.

[Lalaith]

I've just returned, having finished those reports, and I can't believe the silence either.
And, no I'm not sure how to vote. I was fully intending to vote for Roa, earlier today, but those who say she sounds really sincere - I don't know, reading over her posts today, they have a point.
There's a part of me that just wants to vote for a player who's been totally unhelpful, because at least it helps get rid of a mystery if nothing else. Grrr.

[Lalaith]

Btw, Sally, your analysis up there - that was Eonwe, right? You didn't say....

[satansaloser2005]

Btw, Sally, your analysis up there - that was Eonwe, right? You didn't say....


*mutters*


Yeah, it was. Sorry, completely forgot to put his name in it....anywhere....*shifty eyes*

[Roa_Aoife]

++Lal

Not only for the reasons that I stated earlier, but because I believe Rikae would have picked her. After all, she may have known who phantom was planning to scry as the ranger, which would be very valuable knowledge. I can't see Rikae passing up that opportunity. She also fits in with the other wolves we've found so far. It's all well and good for people to say that Rikae may have changed her style, but what reason would she have had to do so when she thought that she would have three wolves left? A team of submarines...

[Thinlómien]

Roa I had just stopped considering voting Lalaith... and now you bring it up again, with good points. *head explodes*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It's odd, is it. So what - are we going to pick Roa? It really feels more uncertain than anytime else, but... what can one do.

Anyway, if Shasta does not show up toMorrow, I believe, he will be modfired. If he does show up, we can interrogate him... and eventually lynch him, as we see fit. So I don't think lynching him is at this point... well, he may be a wolf, but then... if he is, he may not as well show up for Nightly kill... and whatever.

*sigh* At least some Durelin could show up to help us decide, or something.

Hm. And now I see Roa is voting Lal... and I feel exactly as Lommy said... there was what I said about yesterDay... that I was wondering about Lal, but the arguments about her being picked, why... well she was surely a non-gifted person, unless tp would decide to scry her back - in the worst case for Rikae, she would have died... err, odd. Could she be...?

[Lalaith]

Fair enough if you want to vote for me Roa, but "submarine" is hardly an accurate description of me.
I'm not as vocal as you, by a long chalk, but I'm one of the more active players. It's a bit depressing really, when you try to work hard for the village and no-one even notices....*sniff*

[Roa_Aoife]

It's a bit depressing really, when you try to work hard for the village and no-one even notices....*sniff*

And it's very frustrating when you do your best for the village and they think you're evil, I know. But you were far more helpful on Day 4. Since then, you've become a lot less helpful.

[A Little Green]

Okay, let's have the flat ugly facts first. I'm ill, tired and baffled and not quite thinking clearly.

Having stated those, I should probably vote. There have been good points against Lal, but I'm inclined to trust my gut toDay since my reasoning is on holiday.

++ morm

(No, I don't vote for him because he voted me.)

Good night sweethearts. I'll try to be more active and less out-of-track toMorrow if I ever survive that far. :)


EDIT: x-ed since Lommie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. A calculation.

The options for me are Roa... or Shasta (whom I immediately discard for the time being, see above), Lalaith, then possibly others; Morm, Lommy... Eönwë, LG, Sally...

From the first ones. If we lynch Roa and she is innocent, next Day... *sigh* should we go for Lal?

If we lynch Lal, and she is innocent, I think... I think we should definitely go for Roa then.

So from this point of view, voting Lal now seems... better... from the point of view that I would feel more clearly whom to vote the next Day.

Also when I was writing the end of the above post, rethinking whether Rikae could have picked Lal, I started to think... or auto-suggested myself to think that it actually makes good sense to pick Lal...

And then... what Roa just said about Lal's helpfulness... heck, why now, I would like to check properly how she behaved before and after... she really was helpful before that, I remember... but to which scale it changed... this is typical, one thinks of such things few minutes before DL.

[Thinlómien]

Legate - why would Lalaith's innocence point at Roa's guilt?

[Lalaith]

Well, I don't especially want to die, but you're welcome to have a closer look at me tomorrow, Legate, and lynch me if you find me guilty (if I'm still alive). Who is actually around? I would rather vote Roa than Morm or Green...

[Roa_Aoife]

We are running out of time. Right now Greenie stands to be lynched.

[Thinlómien]

Lalaith's latest post seemd a little wolvish to me - but was it just because I wanted to see it in that light since I'm seriously considering voting her? :rolleyes:

edit: xed with Roa

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate - why would Lalaith's innocence point at Roa's guilt?

Because Roa urged so much for voting Lalaith that I don't think an innocent would have... no, don't let me relativise it. I must be stubborn, otherwise I just end up doing nothing...

[satansaloser2005]

We are running out of time. Right now Greenie stands to be lynched.


Morm has a vote too, doesn't he? Or am I imagining things?

[Roa_Aoife]

Morm has a vote too, doesn't he? Or am I imagining things?

Morm already voted for Greenie.

[Lalaith]

Morm voted Green.

[Thinlómien]

Because Roa urged so much for voting Lalaith that I don't think an innocent would have... no, don't let me relativise it. I must be stubborn, otherwise I just end up doing nothing...Well you know that is not particularily convincing... :p

I can almost hear little wheels turning in my head. Roa or Lalaith?


edit: xed with everybody after Leggie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Lalaith's latest post seemd a little wolvish to me - but was it just because I wanted to see it in that light since I'm seriously considering voting her? :rolleyes:

edit: xed with Roa

Darn it, yes, that's what I thought too. How much time? I am probably going for her. Eru forbid me if it's not...

[Lalaith]

Oh fine....this is getting annoying. I don't really suspect Green but Morm was an earlier suspect. I know I'm innocent.

++Morm

[satansaloser2005]

Morm already voted for Greenie.

Yes, love I realize that. I meant Morm has a vote FOR him. Sorry, didn't think about the phrasing of that when I posted.


Anyway....
Morm-->Greenie
Roa--> Lal
Greenie-->Morm



EDIT: x'd with Legate and Lal. morm now has two votes

[Roa_Aoife]

I thought you were going to vote for me, Lal. What happened?

Edit: Sally, Greenie voted morm, so morm is at two

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right. Let's do it.

++Lalaith

If she makes narrow escape... if she makes narrow escapes... for several Days... gahh...

[Thinlómien]

I thought you were going to vote for me, Lal. What happened?She wanted to save herself? It seemed odd to me too, though...

edit: xed with legate

[Lalaith]

Because I would rather a known innocent (me, I mean I know I am) was saved than someone I think might be a wolf (morm) and a vote for you might kill me.

[satansaloser2005]

I thought you were going to vote for me, Lal. What happened?

Now I sense self-preservation. Bah, I don't know what to do now. *bangs her head, which isn't helping the headache situation*

I'll hold out for like another minute or two. *mutters*



EDIT: x'd since Roa's #1476

[Roa_Aoife]

You don't have a minute Sally

[Thinlómien]

I have no idea what sally's up to, so

++Lalaith

Because I'd rather lynch her than morm.


edit: xed

[Lalaith]

Ah yes, the Barrowdowns clock was slower. I couldn't understand what was up with you guys.

[satansaloser2005]

You don't have a minute Sally


Actually, I have five. (And no, I don't intend to wait until the absolute last second)

[Roa_Aoife]

Actually, I have five. (And no, I don't intend to wait until the absolute last second)

Hmm, my personal clock says deadline.

[Thinlómien]

Hmm, my personal clock says deadline.But it's the BD clock we're following...

[satansaloser2005]

I was waiting to make sure I wouldn't have to break a tie. (Better safe than sorry) I'm no longer concerned about that, so



++Lallie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, my personal clock says deadline.

Not yet. BD says 56.

[Roa_Aoife]

But it's the BD clock we're following...

I thought we had decided on real time over BD time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, now I am really curious.

[satansaloser2005]

Hmm, my personal clock says deadline.

Mine too, but it's 4-5 minutes fast, so I knew what I was doing. Don't worry.

[Thinlómien]

Wow, sally, that was fishy. But honest, I grant you that. :D


edit: xed

[satansaloser2005]

I thought we had decided on real time over BD time.



We did? I thought we were doing downs time? Oh....*mutters some more* I'm pretty sure it's Downs time we're going by, so we should be fine.



Yeah, sorry about holding my vote without explaining. Taking too long to explain could have cost me my voting time. You understand....right? *hopes*

[Roa_Aoife]

We did? I thought we were doing downs time? Oh....*mutters some more* I'm pretty sure it's Downs time we're going by, so we should be fine.



Yeah, sorry about holding my vote without explaining. Taking too long to explain could have cost me my voting time. You understand....right? *hopes*

Given the time difference, it makes more sense.

[Nogrod]

The BD-clock timed deadline +1 as wass discussed...!

Lalaith will be dead...

A narration is coming. It takes a short while as I'm only finished half of it...

[satansaloser2005]

Given the time difference, it makes more sense.

*sighs in relief* Good. I would have been pretty ticked at myself if I did end up missing the deadline.


Ack, where is Durie and Shasta? Or did I miss her (Durie's) vote? I think Shasta may still be away. Not sure. *ponders*



EDIT: x'd with our ever-patient Nogmodgod *bows*

[Nogrod]

Herbert woke up in a bed in a dimly lit room. There were others in the room as well, some of them moaning from pain. That lead Herbert to realise his side ached. To his surprise his chest had been hastily bandaged. The bandage had stains of dried blood in it. He lay in the bed trying to remember what had happened and where he was. There were no traces of memory to help him. They had ran in the middle of exploding shells and then it was just blank…

As his eyes got used to the dim lighting he started observing the surroundings. Large canvases had been spread over what appeared to be a small courtyard surrounded by ancient stonewalls. It was night outside and only a few paraffin lamps lit the makeshift field hospital. Someone groaned with pain quietly somewhere to his left.

He was pretty sure now where he was for even if they had lived at this new place after the evacuation only for a short while he obviously had found the ruins and studied them with all the enthusiasm of a little boy. Although there had been little to study as all the upper storeys or walls had fallen and only the bare stone-foundations of the castle were left. He didn’t know anything about the castle’s history but there were a few things he had been able to draw conclusions on: like that it was a pretty small castle and thence nothing of any great importance, and that it had been destroyed totally to the ground at some phase of history, and that it was rather crude making it look like it was pretty old and never rebuilt later.

Herbert tried to rise up only to feel a horrible pain on his side. He lay down and breathed heavily through his nostrils and bit his lip not to cry but the pain was overwhelming and a low wail ran from his lips. Herbert tried the wound to find out what had happened.

He cried in horror.

A young soldier emerged from what was the entrance of the makeshift shed and walked to him carrying a lamp. He moved the lamp over his chest to and fro a few times looking closely at his wounds. He pulled the lamp up and turned to call someone outside.

“Kristian! Den lilla gubben har vaknat! Det ser så inte bra ut… Ge mig morfin!”

Herbert didn’t understand what the man said but what he did was clear enough in its meaning. The man stroke his hair and tried to make an encouraging smile. “Ta det lungt ung man… lungt bara. Snart du vill glömma allt det här… Du ska sova I lung och ro… ja… lung och ro.”

Herbert realised another soldier had come to his side as well and the two exchanged a few words. Then the first man by his side turned towards him and took his hand. “Det här vill göra lite ont… friskt humör bara… Allt vill bli okej.”

The other soldier hit his thigh with something sharp like a needle.

Everything lost its edge and the world became soft. Herbert managed to realise that the men were gone but soon his mind was filled with other things more awesome he could have ever imagined.

There was a girl dressed in white and she was falling down, but she fell like a leaf floating softly in the wind.


*~*

It was a Day of reasonably many words uttered but little said.

“I'm here but I'm quite because I don't have anything to say... Bleurgh, maybe I should go and analyse someone or something. But I'm just too lazy...” Lommy exclaimed.

“I haven't got the time to work things out for myself. I wish Durelin would show up, as we all know we can trust her.” Lalaith added.

“I see no point in talking if not having anything to say.” Greenie said.

“If Shasta does show up, we can interrogate him... and eventually lynch him, as we see fit. So I don't think lynching him is at this point... well, he may be a wolf, but then... if he is, he may not as well show up for Nightly kill...” Legate tried but sighed in the end.


“Let’s lynch the werewolf now, please!” Roa intervened drawing her sword and pointed at Lalaith.

“Don't let me relativise this. I must be stubborn!” Legate yelled and picked a stone from the ground.

“I’d prefer lynching morm…” Lalaith suggested.

“Aha! You’re trying to save your own neck!” Lommy yelled and picked a rock as well.

“Yeah let’s lynch her…” Sally added and armed herself likewise.

“Ready – steady – fire!” Roa called and all three threw their pebbles toward Lalaith.

The first stone broke her eyebrow sending a trail of blood running down her cheek. When the other one hit her chest it didn’t affect her in any way as she was somehow changing. The third one would have hit her straight into the eye but missed. Lalaith was already attacking her lynchers in fury.

“Dare to touch these innocent villagers! I’m the ranger and I’ll protect them, with my life if it needs be!” Roa bellowed and swung her blade cutting the werewolf’s head from it’s shoulders.



*~*

Alive:

+ A Little Green, a fortune-teller - folklorist - herb-grower - unofficial therapist, advisor and midwife, most presumably a witch, the gammer (the eccentric mother of Lommy & Mac)
+ Shastanis Althreduin, astrologer/fortune teller, gaffer (Greenie's husband, father of Lommy & Mac)

+ Thinlómien, a bird tamer, adult (married to Nilp, Macalaure's sister)
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person, 22 (their son)
+ Satansaloser 2005, Lommy's assistant, 17 (their daughter)

+ Durelin, poisoner 20 (Lhuna's evil twin, daughter of Cailín)


+ Roa_Aoife, school teacher, adult (mother of Legate, Brinn and Kit, wife of Nogrod, sister of Rikae)
+ Legate of Amon Lanc, sheep herder with tp, 19 (brother of Brinn & Kit, Sally's boyfriend, Agan's ex-bf)

+ Mormegil, adult (son of Volo, husband of Celuien, father of Gwath and McCaber)




The dead:
Eomer of the Rohirrim, adult (Cailín's husband, Lhuna's and Dury's father); An innocent beheaded by the werewolves on Night1
Nogrod, the judge, adult (Roa's husband, father of Legate, Brinn and Kit); An innocent torn in two by werewolves on Night1
Nerwen, the healer, adult (sister of Lalaith, Volo's daughter); An innocent nailed to the oak-tree on Day1.
Volo, the guy who knows everything about staying alive, the gaffer (Father of Nogrod, morm, Nerwen and Lalaith); The seer mutilated and eyes pulled off on Night2.
Kitanna, a tavern wench 21 (Legate's sister and Brinn's twin sister); An innocent ripped into pieces and thrown into the well on Night2.
Aganzir, the little match girl, 15 (Lalaith's daughter, dates McCaber); A werewolf burnt alive on Day2.
Macalaure, apple farmer, adult (married to Rikae, Lommy's brother); The ranger overpowered by four werewolves in a fight and torn to pieces on Night3.
The Ka, a dog whipper (a fatherless and ageless little child of Lalaith); An innocent impaled to a spear her doll in her hand on Night3.
Cailín, guinea pig breeder, adult (Nilp's sister); A werewolf melted into a candle-wax and burnt on Day3.
Diamond 18, dissolute, 11 (phantom's pre-teen littlesister); The seer eyes picked out (once again, what a bore...), throat slit and thrown into the well on Night4.
Nilpaurion Felagund, a house-bound sandwich-maker, adult (married to Lommy); A werewolf committed a suicide when the whole village turned against him on Day4.
Isabellkya, a gammer who loves asparagus and throwing knives (Shasta's sister); An innocent cut down in a way too horrible to describe on Night5.
Rikae, a lumberjack, adult (married to Macalaure, Roa's sister); The EW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
the phantom, sheep herder with Legate, 21 (their adopted son, Di's brother); The GW vanished in the battle of the Wizards on Day5.
Celuien, a candle maker, adult (wife of morm, mother of Gwath and McCaber); A werewolf sliced in pieces by the men of the village on Day5.
Brinniel, Greenie's apprentice, 21 (Legate's sister and Kitanna's twin sister, Kath's life partner); An innocent chopped and turned into an exquisite dinner on Night6.
Lhunardawen, healer's apprentice, 20 (Cailín's daughter, good twin of Durelin); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into her life on the morning of Day6.
McCaber, a henchman, 18 (Gwath's little brother, dates Aganzir); An innocent who had enough of the madness and ran away to find meaning into his life on the morning of Day6.
Kath, tavern owner, 20 (their daughter, Brinn's life partner); An innocent traditionally hanged to the oak tree on Day6.
Gwathagor, a highwayman, 20 (McCaber's big brother); An innocent who shared cider with a werewolf on Night7.
Lalaith, chocolate maker, adult (sister of Nerwen, mother of Aganzir, Volo's daughter); A werewolf stoned and beheaded on Day7.


The village has won!


You are all free to speak your mind now - the dead as well...
(Let's do it her in this thread)

[mormegil]

Well done all. I'm proud of you all. Roa, you were great! I can't seem to get by any game without suspicion. Sorry for my relative inactivity at the start. RL came fast and furious at the time and it was all I could do just to skim and post something. :(

Noggie, well done and thank you very much for all the time and effort put forth. Bah! If I could get it right...for a bit I felt like Lal was a wolf and kept coming back to it but would talk myself out of it again.

Rikae and Phantom well done...an amazing effort.

Sally, I believe, gets the award for the most after hours posts :eek::)

[Kath]

Ah! Fantastic! I hadn't suspected Lalaith since about Day 3 so maybe it was a good idea to get rid of me yesterDay. :D Many congratulations remaining villagers.

Now, I have but one question. Who was the Ranger?

[Thinlómien]

Wow. I have little to say. Ask me tomorrow when I've had time to think about this...

It was a great game. That much can be said, surely. Fantastic. I especially enjoyed it how older and newer players fully interacted and there was no "gap of generations" like I semi-feared before this game...

Thanks to Noggie for modding, and to everybody for a great game - especially our wizards tp and Rikae.

Kath - read the narration. ;)