Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

Yes, I thought you probably figured it out because of my relatively quick turn from almost voting to lynch Agan and then voting her as my rep the next day. I loved the attitude of "I'm not going to get lynched because of Boro" yesterday.
Heh heh... Figured you might.

Yeah, after Day 1 my list of possible Seers was Kath, Green, Gwath, morm, Brin, and you. I was hoping it was you because that would mean that I was already Seer dreamed innocent.

When you continued your treatment of me on Day 2 and told Agan that you were a bit too hasty with her, I started leaning heavily in your direction.

By the time I made this post here I was pretty well bought in-
Very briefly, I feel rather good about Aganzir. The way she's responding to arguments as well as more light-hearted comments... seems very innocent to me. But most convincing to me is the way she worded and handled our old joke about her being a WW and me helping her win as an Ordo. She's either innocent or gave perfect innocent reactions.

I think I trust her more than Boro even at this point.
I was trying to poach your dream, essentially, and make both Agan and myself a juicier target than you.

And the stuff at the very end of Day 2- well, that was just plain fun.

[the phantom]

I'm currently pondering the double lynch situation. I'll make a post soon.

[the phantom]

As far as the double lynch, here's what I see...

We are working with 11 people (I'm not counting morm and Nog and Gil).

I think we can probably count on all eleven to follow orders because the one remaining Werewolf won't dare step out of line at this point in the game.

We vote Boro three votes.

We vote phantom three votes.

Now, we just need to select someone else to receive three votes, and a fourth person to receive two votes.

If we do that then we don't need to filibuster or anything.

[the phantom]

If we follow the voting plan above, then our voting Reps will hold the following vote power-

3-3-3-2

If either morm or Nog votes for a Rep with 3 votes, the other three-vote Reps cast their votes and the people with 4 and 2 abstain, resulting in a tie.

If both morm and Nog vote for the same Rep, once again two of the Reps with 3 votes force a tie.

If they vote for two different 3-vote Reps, they'll still be tied.

If they vote for a 3-vote Rep and the 2-vote Rep, there will still be multiple 3-vote Reps, and thus a tie vote is once again possible.

So long as we do our Rep voting early in the day, and do our lynch voting early in the Day, those two WWs can't possibly filibuster the entire Day.

[the phantom]

Please tell me if you see a flaw in the plan. I'm tired, so I may have overlooked something.

But if no one spots anything, I will be happy to write up a voting map which will assign everyone a Rep to vote for.

All we need to do is come up with our two other Reps. It won't really matter if we choose a WW, because, as I said earlier, he won't dare step out of line when he's the last one left.

[Nerwen]

I'd be very happy to run for office on a "lynch morm" ticket. Just for the good of the village, you understand.:Merisu:

[the phantom]

Well, Nerwen, can you promise promise promise that you will be around early during Part 2 of toDay?

In other words, will you be around exactly 22 hours from now?

[Gwathagor]

Well, Boro, since morm has more or less admitted his guilt, I'm on board for whatever you want to do. Just give the word.

[the phantom]

Those of you who are around, please look over the voting plan outlined in posts #1253 and #1254.

If it looks to you like it is sound, let me know so that I can begin outlining the plan in greater detail.

[Nerwen]

Well, Nerwen, can you promise promise promise that you will be around early during Part 2 of toDay?

In other words, will you be around exactly 22 hours from now?

Yes, except I might not be around for the first half-hour. Is that good enough?

[Nerwen]

It's just that I need to hand in an assignment, and I'd arranged a lift in to uni around that time... but I guess I can do it earlier.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm in, obviously. (I made an actual post, but then my friend stopped by and by now what I said wouldn't make a lot of sense. Boiled down to "Boro I love you and I'm really glad I sensed something was upp-ish with Morm before I voted him as a rep" and other sundry)



I'll also be around right at deadline tomorrow (meaning the end of the first part of the Day), so (not to blow my own horn) if y'all want me to be a rep I'd be delighted!

[the phantom]

Don't worry about your schedule, Nerwen. If you can be here that soon after the deadline then everything should be okay, so long as that isn't the only time all day that you can be there (just in case).

Ah, and Sally has volunteered as well. All right. If Boro approves then we have the four Reps we need for the plan.

(I assume no one has spotted a flaw in the plan since no one has said anything.)

[satansaloser2005]

Don't worry about your schedule, Nerwen. If you can be here that soon after the deadline then everything should be okay, so long as that isn't the only time all day that you can be there (just in case).

Ah, and Sally has volunteered as well. All right. If Boro approves then we have the four Reps we need for the plan.

(I assume no one has spotted a flaw in the plan since no one has said anything.)


What, you mean the fact that you thought of it?:smokin:


In all seriousness, I've noticed, but I figured if I didn't say anything maybe no one else would think of it. *shrug* We'll make it work no matter what.

[the phantom]

Rough draft of Rep vote plan-

Boromir88- vote Nerwen
Brinniel- vote Boro
Greenie- vote Phantom
Gwathagor- vote Nerwen
Ilya- vote Boro
Lommy- vote Phantom
Kath- vote Nerwen
Nerwen- vote Sally
Rune- vote Boro
Sally- vote Phantom
the phantom- vote Sally

Which would give us:

Boro: 3
Phantom: 3
Nerwen: 3
Sally: 2

Then during the lynch stage-
Boro- lynch morm
Phantom- lynch Nog
Nerwen- abstain
Sally- abstain

If Nog or morm cast a Rep vote for Boro or I, Nerwen steps up and takes the place of the one who received the extra vote.

If both Nog and morm cast their Rep votes together for Boro or I, again Nerwen steps up and takes their place.

If Nog and morm split their votes between Boro and I, we are still tied and thus we would follow the original lynch plan.

If Nog votes Boro or I and morm votes Sally, then we'll have Sally take the place of the person that received the extra vote.

I believe that accounts for all posibilities.

If it indeed does, then we might as well all go ahead and vote to outlaw filibusters for today so that the Wolves cannot stop us from voting for our candidates at any time.

[the phantom]

In all seriousness, I've noticed, but I figured if I didn't say anything maybe no one else would think of it. *shrug* We'll make it work no matter what.
What? You mean there is a way in which morm or Nog could mess things up?

If that's what you mean, then please give details so that a better double-lynch plan can be constructed.

[satansaloser2005]

What? You mean there is a way in which morm or Nog could mess things up?

If that's what you mean, then please give details so that a better double-lynch plan can be constructed.



No, no, not like that. It's just going to be too easy for the other wolf to hide in amongst us all. And I was wondering about a couple other things as well, but it's more of a "Sally being Sally" thing.

The lynch plan itself is perfectly fine. :)

[the phantom]

It's just going to be too easy for the other wolf to hide in amongst us all.
No matter what we do the WW is going to hide amongst us.

Nog and morm have been Seer-dreamed. The final WW isn't going to make any effort whatsoever to save them.

So if we cannot discover the final WW via lynching the remaining WWs, there is no reason not to get it over with right away with a double lynch.

The double lynch should be secured early in the voting half of the Day, and we'll have the entire rest of the day to discuss the final WW and come up with theories.

[the phantom]

Nerwen, Gwath- you still haven't said anything.

Does the lynch plan look good?

If so, then that will be enough votes in favor for me to assume that nothing has been overlooked, and that we should hurry on and begin voting for Reps (and voting for no filibusters).

[satansaloser2005]

No matter what we do the WW is going to hide amongst us.

Nog and morm have been Seer-dreamed. The final WW isn't going to make any effort whatsoever to save them.

So if we cannot discover the final WW via lynching the remaining WWs, there is no reason not to get it over with right away with a double lynch.

The double lynch should be secured early in the voting half of the Day, and we'll have the entire rest of the day to discuss the final WW and come up with theories.



Oi, I didn't say it was a bad plan. In fact, I'm quite sure I said it was a very good plan, thanks very much.


Anyway, I'm off to bed. Good night all~!

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, Gwath- you still haven't said anything.

Does the lynch plan look good?

If so, then that will be enough votes in favor for me to assume that nothing has been overlooked, and that we should hurry on and begin voting for Reps (and voting for no filibusters).

Sounds fine to me.

[the phantom]

I didn't think you thought the plan was bad, Sally.

I hope your room mate is enjoying this. What did you say you call her- "The Duck" or something like that?

Anyway, I really need to get to bed. Sleepy.

For right now, I'll go ahead and vote-
++No Filibuster

Post #1265 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=574567&postcount=1265) contains the voting plan. Let us begin following it as soon as possible and get this over with so that we can move on to discussing the final Wolf that is still at large.

Good night.

[Nerwen]

++No Filibuster

Anyone see any objections to the voting plan?

EDIT: words left out.

[mormegil]

I'd be very happy to run for office on a "lynch morm" ticket. Just for the good of the village, you understand.:Merisu:


*wink wink* Good job Nerwen, nobody will suspect you now.

[Nerwen]

Hey, morm... is that comment about "the guy who's eating his boot" a cryptic clue a la Fea?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I officially detest Mormegil, the one time I convince my self to look elswhere for wolves he turns out to be one and what more is I actually supportet my case with some of his arguments. You got me Morm, I capitulate.

This is the worst game ever. . .
The only positive thing so far is that Nogrod turned out to be wolf (or so it seems), it just shows that sometimes that feeling that someone plays differently is better than an actual case. (where you try to exclude such feelings)

Anyways I have gotten the flu, so if I could do my part in this days action soon it would be great. . .

[Nerwen]

Rune, unless you can see something wrong with tp's plan, vote for "no filibuster" and for Boro as rep.

[Nerwen]

Meanwhile, I shall vote

++Sally for rep.

EDIT: fixed highlight.

[mormegil]

Hey, morm... is that comment about "the guy who's eating his boot" a cryptic clue a la Fea?

I'm trying to steer them clear of you Nerwen, so be quiet and play along okay.

[Mithalwen]

This is the worst game ever. . .
.


Actually I think this is already the best game ever. I feel hugely privileged to have been able to watch things unwind as some of the biggest beasts in the Werewolf jungle slug it out. And the fat lady is only looking for her thorat spray...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yes, yes... no despair yet for anybody! After all, there's still a wolf out there. :cool:

<best game ever>

[Mithalwen]

and thirty three pages in before a filibuster.... :eek::D

I still wouldn't put it past Morm to find a way out of this.....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh yes. I'm waiting patiently for HIS seer reveal.

[Boromir88]

Oh yes. I'm waiting patiently for HIS seer reveal.~Fea
I knew I shouldn't expect things to be that easy...you will find a way to make this go as unsmoothly as possible won't you? :p

But, I'm here for a little while and will just review the plan, see if there's any flaws.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune, unless you can see something wrong with tp's plan, vote for "no filibuster" and for Boro as rep.
Other than the fact that it is The Phantom's plan?

++Boromir for Representative

[Boromir88]

Oh and don't worry too much Rune...before the end of the day I was going to try to make sure people don't lynch you on my account, well unless you are the last wolf. Anyway, I realize with my mess yesterday I could have trapped an ordo by mistake. :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++no filibuster

[Boromir88]

Plan looks good to me, but I do see one gaping flaw!

Boro- lynch morm
We will have to review our constitution, morm may be able to strike on the grounds that there is a conflict of interest with that vote. :p

Ok, seriously I think the plan is perfect. I still am waiting for something to dreadfully go wrong, as Fea is dying to see a filibuster.

Morm, if it makes you feel any better, it was nothing you did, I picked you pretty much at random and in frustration. I think I sent my choice to Fea within 30 seconds of finding out Eonwe's innocent saying "Oh you have to be kidding me. I don't know what I'm doing...uhh ++morm." And with a touch of luck I struck fur. :D

Sorry, Nogrod, your turn on tp was just too easy, especially after the Ka was found to be a wolf. But you were expecting morm's vote to be able to bail you out, weren't you? ;)

Thanks dear, sweet sally. You better not be sweet-talking me!

++No Filibuster

Better check to make sure I am voting for the right one...yep...

++Nerwen for rep

[satansaloser2005]

I didn't think you thought the plan was bad, Sally.

I hope your room mate is enjoying this. What did you say you call her- "The Duck" or something like that?

Anyway, I really need to get to bed. Sleepy.

For right now, I'll go ahead and vote-
++No Filibuster

Post #1265 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=574567&postcount=1265) contains the voting plan. Let us begin following it as soon as possible and get this over with so that we can move on to discussing the final Wolf that is still at large.

Good night.

Yeah, there was supposed to be a little smilie guy behind that post anyway, but meh. Anyway, typing in the dark with your glasses off is generally a bad plan. Heh, and I'm sure she is. She's still in England for the rest of the semester, so I'll have to IM her and see if she's keeping up on the game.



In other news:

Might I say that I still don't trust Nerwen? Just putting that out there.

++No Filibuster

++Phantom for rep

[satansaloser2005]

Thanks dear, sweet sally. You better not be sweet-talking me!




Sally lives to butter up, erm, serve, sweet Master. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Night 1 a phantom dream came to be
an innocent was revealed to me.
Night 2 at Agan I did glean
she was a person completely clean.
Night 3 hmm lets see morm, I thought,
and the first wolf was caught.
Night 4 after Nogrod pulled a Legate
I saw a creature full of hate.

My poetic attempt, surely not as pleasant or beautiful as our wonderful modgodess, Fea. :D



Oh, and I forgot to mention.


Best. Post. Ever. That is all.

[A Little Green]

Argh. All my fine theories all muddled up... Oh well. So I voted a wolf for rep twice. How nice. I had a beautiful theory on why Nog's a wolf but it's no use now since he's officially revealed wolf. And the once I got something figured... Gah. Frustrating. :p

On a more serious note, good job Boro - I don't know whether I would have instantly believed your claim but morm's confession cleared it... I'm still wondering why he did it, though.

Greenie- vote PhantomYou're enjoying this aren't you? You pig. :D

Hmmm. I suppose I should take a look at folks and craft a theory on who might be the last wolf. I won't do it now, however, since Lommy is itching to post... (This post was supposed to have a lot of substance from yesterDay's posts, but it's all useless now. I feel stupid.)

Ah, one more thing - Greenie - basically says 'lots of things to look at'. Will have to see if she actually did. Didn't look at the Eonwe voters, did look at Ilya.That has pretty much been my problem all through the game - there has been loads of stuff I'd have loved to look at in too little time. If I haven't looked at something I have said I should, it's due to timetables.


EDIT: x-ed with 3x Sally

[Boromir88]

(This post was supposed to have a lot of substance from yesterDay's posts, but it's all useless now. I feel stupid.)~Greenie
I doubt it would be useless. I would like to hear what you had on Nogrod, it may have ideas on who the last wolf is. So, please post it. :D

[Ilya]

Morning all. I'm glad the plan is all set, because real life stuff is going to make it hard for me to get online this afternoon and all of Friday. Curse you, campus ITS!

++No Filibuster

++Boro for representative

Go get 'em, team.

[Thinlómien]

Boro and Phantom! I love you! Want to know why? Because I outwitted you, after all! Boy, I feel clever right now. ;)

After all, currently I'm thinking that if they are smarter than me, they're wolves, and if I'm smarter than them, they're innocent.This still holds. At some point yesterDay, I realised there was something wrong in you two trying to get Agan killed. How on earth could you be so sure that she was not the seer? In no way, if you were just two ordos. Thus, I knew there was something odd in there. And I thought "do we have the careless seer here?" and I thought we very well might have, especially as I also recalled that the last time Boro gave neither innocent nor guilty vibes to me, he was the seer. That's why I wanted to give you two one more Day and made such a turn late yesterDay. I only tried to reason it so that it'd look like something else...

But am I rejoicing too soon? There's something that outright baffles me here. Boro's claim is credible and has no screaming holes in it and morm confessed, yes, but still we cannot know if he's telling the truth. So, maybe he and tp are smarter than me after all and they are wolves? I mean, the real seer could still be lurking somewhere with no chance to post toDay yet?

I don't know, I just feel there has to be something wrong with this. It surely can't be this easy - I can't have seen a sort of hole in Boro&tp's schemes and thus also outwitted our wolves, now can I? :p

Also, by the way (this is the thing that makes me the most distrustful of these two brilliant gentlemen) - arranging the death of a known innocent sounds rather eyebrow-raising. Why choose her of all the people? Care to explain?

Anyway, morm has confessed and we have to check Nogrod's role in any case, so I guess there's nothing wrong in the double-lynch even if Boro and tp are evil after all...

And I feel so much like gloating right now, really. I possibly outwitted two of the most renowned ww players ever and also, I managed to read THE Ka correctly - even though getting right about her probably was also due to luck, I never was confident at all about her... well I have good intuition then (and so of course had those who followed my vote and got her lynched :)).

Now we only need to find the last wolf. I think the easiest way would be looking at Ka's and morm's and Nog's interactions with people. But the question is, who wants to do any rereading in a village like this?

edit: xed with Ilya and Boro

[Thinlómien]

But the question is, who wants to do any rereading in a village like this?I realise that must sound pretty harsh. It was more meant to be a joke of sorts... I mean, I'm able to and I want to look at that stuff. Somebody else should surely do it too, of course. The extent of the project just doesn't seem too appealing... :rolleyes::D

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, can we do triple lynches in this village?

Here's why I ask.


Pretend I'm Fea. "But Sally, you're not pure evil and enjoy screwing with people's heads". Suspension of disbelief, children. Just pretend I'm Fea.

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it off until toMorrow if you so desired, but why wait if we can do it toDay?


(Oh, and Phantom, that was the 'flaw' that I mentioned earlier. Heh told you the plan was fine. I just wanted to make additions:p)

[Gwathagor]

On a more serious note, good job Boro - I don't know whether I would have instantly believed your claim but morm's confession cleared it... I'm still wondering why he did it, though.


I also have been wondering why morm confessed.

[Kath]

Alrighty then!

++NERWEN for rep

++NO filibuster

If Boro and phantom are wolves and play this move out it will be a masterstroke. If that happens I wouldn't even mind losing because it would be just too impressive to be cross!

[A Little Green]

I doubt it would be useless. I would like to hear what you had on Nogrod, it may have ideas on who the last wolf is. So, please post it.Call me rash if you wish, mister, but I'm afraid I deleted most of it already. :( I'll try to recall as much as possible if it pleases you.

Mostly, his behaviour towards phantom yesterDay screamed "Wolf!" to me. The way he keeps suspecting phantom yet insists that the two of you should be left for the seer is plain weird. Bringing up point after point against someone but refusing to vote that someone is strange, but even stranger is his sudden turn for voting phantom. Those things combined to his earlier behaviour, especially his votes, made me quite convinced of his guilt.

I haven't managed to draw any conclusions regarding the last wolf out of my case against Nogrod. However, I'll now make a lovely list post and ponder about the last wolf.


EDIT: x-ed with Gwath and Kath (Hey, that rhymes! Wow! :rolleyes: )

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Oh and don't worry too much Rune...before the end of the day I was going to try to make sure people don't lynch you on my account, well unless you are the last wolf. Anyway, I realize with my mess yesterday I could have trapped an ordo by mistake. :)

Oh I could "live" with being lynched, it is just the thought of being beaten by Mormegil that makes me fall into a pit of despair and loose all will to live.

You know, if I ever was alive on the last day in a game together with Morm and another person I w
ould allways vote Morm. . .just to make sure.

I should probably add that I hold Morm in very high regard outside werewolf, but here he is my enemy.

[Boromir88]

I mean, the real seer could still be lurking somewhere with no chance to post toDay yet?~Lommy
I think you are just really paranoid right now still.

If there is the "real" seer lurking around, then it would be foolish not to step up now. With the Ka as one wolf, morm confessing, that makes two wolves, and if this is tp's and myself super bold to the point of stupidity wolf ploy, than we'd be dead. I admit I'm insane, and it's hard not to think everything I do is really just something evil, but also I do look at the benefits, if this was two last wolves strategy it would not work, there'd be no point.

It's like looking at Nogrod's theory of how if tp and I were wolves, this is what we would do, and all he did was spew out exactly what we were currently doing. Which by the way was absolutely hilarious Nogrod, but that was just too out there even for an innocent Nogrod.

Yesterday, since I found out morm was a wolf, and I was suspicious of his and Rune's interaction. I was honestly thinking about revealing and making Rune believe I dreamt he was a wolf, thus killing two wolves with one dream. But I was a little tentative and scared, that if I was wrong about Rune it could really backfire severely and thus there would be no benefit. So, I simply just went with being an annoying distraction and try to draw out some other wolves. So, for anyone who is innocent, sorry if I gave you a major migraine, I was just hoping to give the wolves a bigger one. :D

Lommy, you did outwit me, I don't know if tp would like to admit it, but I will. Also, you probably noticed how I assured tp that Legate was not the seer either and completely lied that in this set up the seer would like to lay low and try to get a couple dreams in. :p

Aren't you happy though that you will have to do no analysis on me or tp? That's got to be a big relief. Plus, morm I think might enjoy this as I would if I was in his place, so you dont' have to pay attention to anything he says today. Or Nogrod for that matter, whatever that sly wolf is up to. :p

[A Little Green]

So the third wolf is one of these guys:

Brinniel - I don't think it's her. I shouldn't be so sure of her, I know. If she's the wolf she's really really sneaky.
Gil-Galad - If it's him, I'll be angry.
Gwathagor - He's been the ultimate submarine to me. Might be the first one I'll look at if I have the time.
Ilya - Still no idea. Probably leaning innocent.
Lommy - I don't think it's her. She has seemed quite innocentish all through the game, and her reaction to Boro's reveal seemed genuine.
Kath - Gives me innocent vibes, though not as strong as Lommy or Brinn. I don't suspect her at the moment.
Nerwen - No idea. Might be - but then, I think morm's hints about her after his confession point more to Nerwen's innocence than to guilt. Unless morm is being really really unsporty that is. I'll just ignore his remarks for now.
Rune - Still seems innocentish. I don't suspect him.
Sally - Might be, might not be. I have no idea.

I don't think are wolves:
Brinn
Gil
Lommy
Kath
Rune

Might be wolves:
Gwath
Ilya
Nerwen
Sally

I have much stronger vibes about those I feel innocentish than those I don't. Ah well.

For a while I toyed with the possibility that our wolves are Boro, phantom, morm and Nog. But then I came to think about stuff like the real seer and the like. Just couldn't resist posting that scenario as well... (It just proves how reluctant I am to believe anything anyone says in WW. :))

And, just so I won't forget it,

++ no filibuster


EDIT: x-ed with Boro

[the phantom]

Ah, so Lommy- you were betting on Boro being the Seer?

*sniff*

Why not me? Was my act not good enough?

But in all seriousness, after you began looking like you wouldn't in fact vote for us despite not believing us, I started wondering if you were suspecting that something Seerish was going on. The ideal behavior for such a situation would be to still keep some pressure on us (keep sparring, don't buy into us) but not actually vote for us. And that's what you did, and so when you voted for KA I gave a grin and thought, "Hmm... Lommy may indeed be on board with us."

I thought that Nog was catching on too for a bit, by continuing his suspicion and yet saying we should be left for the Seer. But then he turned and voted for me, which caused me much confusion.
The way he keeps suspecting phantom yet insists that the two of you should be left for the seer is plain weird. Bringing up point after point against someone but refusing to vote that someone is strange, but even stranger is his sudden turn for voting phantom.
The first part I didn't mind. Keeping me under pressure but not voting for me was a rather good way to treat me if you had in fact realized that I was innocent, as being under lynching pressure would make my Night survival more likely.

But then the turn and vote. Yeah. That confused me to no end. But now that I know what he is, I suppose it makes sense.

And in case you don't want to go back and look for it, here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=574567&postcount=1265) is the voting plan.

[Boromir88]

but even stranger is his sudden turn for voting phantom. Those things combined to his earlier behaviour, especially his votes, made me quite convinced of his guilt.~Greenie
Yes, and if you can't get it all out don't worry about it. But that is something that I was wondering about. When Nogrod voted it was

tp - 2
the Ka - 2
sally - 2

He put the phantom up, with Shasta (ordo), morm (wolf), and me (seer) and 3 votes left to vote.

So my question is why didn't he go for sally. There was no reason he could have possibly thought I would have voted for tp, so he had to have been banking on other votes. Obviously, morm's because he was a wolf, but maybe he thought Shasta would cast his in for tp?

However, morm would be put into a tough position if he was the deciding vote, because he had pretty much conceded to tp. Unless if Nogrod was purely banking on Shasta's vote for tp, in which case, morm could have cast his vote for me, causing tp's lynching. That could have been seen as suspicious, but wolf-morm could have wriggled his way out of it, and precisely why I didn't want him deciding things yesterday.

I think it's obvious that with Shasta's vote and reaction to my vote for the Ka made the wolves believe he was the seer. I assumed that some time during the 2nd day Shasta caught on to me being the seer, just how he was reacting to me. I was actually glad he was killed, because if he wasn't I would have had doubts as to whether he was a wolf too and it was a plan to have one turn on tp, and the others rescue him. It's clear though that they thought Shasta was the seer, because of his timely vote. I considered actually setting him up too for a death, and seeing if tp wanted to join, but I thought since we kind of already discussed that in detail about Agan, I didn't want to make it obvious. I had a strong feeling that Shasta was trying to pose as the seer for me, I'm glad he did, so I just let him do his thing. :)

But in my circular way here...why didn't Nogrod vote for sally, why make such an obvious turn on tp?

[the phantom]

The votes-

Ner +++ Sally
Rune ++ Boro
Boro ++ Ner
Sally ++ tp
Ilya ++ Boro
Kath ++ Ner

Left to vote-

Brinniel- vote Boro
Greenie- vote Phantom
Gwathagor- vote Nerwen
Lommy- vote Phantom
the phantom- vote Sally

[the phantom]

why didn't Nogrod vote for sally, why make such an obvious turn on tp?
Unless he was wondering if I was the Seer and thought it would be worth it to bump me off, even if it did look a bit fishy.

Plus, you know Nog. He could've come up with a perfectly reasonable explanation for why he had done it.

[Boromir88]

Plus, you know Nog. He could've come up with a perfectly reasonable explanation for why he had done it.~the phantom
True, maybe we shouldn't make too much out of it. I just had in mind this, when I thought...wait a second the Ka and sally were tied with tp:
Sally lives to butter up, erm, serve, sweet Master.
Then I thought if sally is bold enough to say she's going to make me taste better when she eats me tonight. But then thought, I always imagined wolves were salt and pepper creatures. :p

[Boromir88]

Oh and Lommy I had crazy theories cooked up about you too, but that doesn't mean I have to make them public. :p

I thought once I knew about morm, and then thought Rune was also a wolf, I remembered Rune so adamantly campaigning for a representative position. That reminded me of you on Day 1 saying, you would think wolves would not want to be reps, and would just want to sit back. So, I had this big thing rolling in my head that you would try to get everyone to believe the wolves didn't want to be reps, when the whole time your partners would be out there campaigning. Now you see just a little bit of the really out in outer-space ideas and theories go through my head in all this.

For what it's worth, I think what you've said, and claim fits well, and like you said about my reveal, there's no gaping holes. So, I am inclined to believe you're innocent (and I sure hope if you are a wolf you don't try Nogrod's plan and try to argue me assuring that you are innocent).

[Mithalwen]

No filibuster? *feels deprived* but I guess I wouldn't have been around to see it. Yet I had hoped to see The Phantom or Mr Aconite go off on one .....

[the phantom]

You want to hear a crazy theory, Boro?

If Fea approves then I'll tell the absolutely crazy thought I had yesterday afternoon. I have to get her approval first because it features political terms (though, I assure you, no personal opinions or anything like that).

So... Fea... permission to share my special wacky thoughts?

[the phantom]

Mith- I'll be on the lookout for a filibuster opportunity tomorrow. Promise. Just for you. ;)

[Mithalwen]

Thank you so much! That is very considerate :):Merisu:

[Nerwen]

By the way, can we do triple lynches in this village?

Here's why I ask.


Pretend I'm Fea. "But Sally, you're not pure evil and enjoy screwing with people's heads". Suspension of disbelief, children. Just pretend I'm Fea.

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it off until toMorrow if you so desired, but why wait if we can do it toDay?


(Oh, and Phantom, that was the 'flaw' that I mentioned earlier. Heh told you the plan was fine. I just wanted to make additions:p)

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

However, you're being awfully precipitous, Sally. We've only just started discussing the fourth wolf's identity...and you're ready to drag Gil to the scaffold?

Besides, look how complicated it was to plan a double-lynch. We don't even know if it'll come off. Have you thought about how much a triple-lynch increases the chance of something going wrong?

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #1309

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So... Fea... permission to share my special wacky thoughts?

You may tell them about Repub-lycans.

Are you going to tell them about the bath, too? :Merisu:

[Nerwen]

You know, it's really funny seeing the phantom's and Mithalwen's sig's in close proximity.:D

[the phantom]

Are you going to tell them about the bath, too?
What bath? I... um... don't know what you're talking about. These thoughts could've taken place anywhere- don't know why you'd assume a bath was involved. *cough*

Well, now that I have permission, here is an excerpt from my head yesterday afternoon.

This Werewolf game has been fun. It's great the way Fea and Mith post right in the middle of the game as if they are players. Has Rikae posted at all? I should go look.

Wait a minute, why are there three Mods? Fea's been doing all the writing. What are the other two doing?

Oh my goodness! There must be something funny going on at Night!

Are there two teams of Wolves, and each team has their own Mod? Since this is political, I suppose it's like the Repub-lycans versus the DemoWolves. They're in competition of course, but how is it determined who kills at Night?

Ooh, ooh, maybe a couple of people going at me yesterday honestly thought I was a WW, because they are WWs themselves! And they think Boro and I are the other team! That would be sweet!

Ooh, ooh, maybe the teams were selected via RL political leanings! So naturally morm would be a Repub-lycan... But who as a partner. I can't remember what anyone thinks politically. The Fins would probably be more lefty, so maybe....

Hold on, Phantom, you're going off the deep end here. Sure, there's probably something fishy going on at Night, especially with the multi-Mods, but let's not leap to conclusions. Maybe you should go through Fea's posts and look for her hints.

Ah, but she said that it probably wouldn't help.

*sigh*

Whatever. I'll find out everything after it is all said and done. Stop thinking so much.

Anyway, there you go. That's the kind of thing that goes on in my head at random moments throughout the day.

[Mithalwen]

You know, it's really funny seeing the phantom's and Mithalwen's sig's in close proximity.:D

I don't seen the connection..... :cool:

[Thinlómien]

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.Wasn't that actually Nogrod? *raises an eyebrow* Hmmm...

If there is the "real" seer lurking around, then it would be foolish not to step up now.Yes, indeed, I do not disagree with that, my phrasing was just a bit unclear. I merely meant that it is possible that the real seer is among those who haven't managed to get online at all toDay yet and that's why I was a little doubtful of how quickly everybody took your word for it.

But anyway, it does not matter. I'm inclined to believe you really are the seer, and morm is a wolf anyway, and we have no problems with numbers yet, so we may very well double-lynch him and Nog toDay even if this was some evil ploy of yours.

So,

++phantom for rep

and

++no filibuster

Also, you probably noticed how I assured tp that Legate was not the seer either and completely lied that in this set up the seer would like to lay low and try to get a couple dreams in.Nah, I didn't. I only properly realised what you were probably doing sometime late-ish yesterDay... :)

Aren't you happy though that you will have to do no analysis on me or tp?Surely I am. :D

Ah, so Lommy- you were betting on Boro being the Seer?
*sniff*
Why not me? Was my act not good enough?That is a good question. Honestly, I do not know or remember, but I thought all the time that if one of you is the seer, it's Boro.

But Boro and tp - you still haven't answered my question. Why on earth get your known innocent killed, of all the possible people? I understand Boro needed to be protected from the Night-kill, but couldn't you have tried anyone else after the Gil-plan failed? Were you so desperate to pick someone who wasn't a wolf? (That's the only explanation that makes any sense to me...)


edit: xed with phantom and Mith

[satansaloser2005]

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

However, you're being awfully precipitous, Sally. We've only just started discussing the fourth wolf's identity...and you're ready to drag Gil to the scaffold?

Besides, look how complicated it was to plan a double-lynch. We don't even know if it'll come off. Have you thought about how much a triple-lynch increases the chance of something going wrong?

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #1309

Hence why I suggested perhaps we try it toMorrow instead.


Mind you, you're in an awful hurry to make other people look bad, Nerwen my dear. I'm just trying to help. If it's just the four of us as reps it shouldn't even be a problem. Boro and Phantom could follow the original plan, I would vote for Gil, and unless you decide to do something to muck up the plan (which I'm thinking and hoping you won't, because if you do you'll have some splaining to do) it should work perfectly.


Gil's as good as dead anyway, except for the actual dying bit. For one thing (not to be rude) I don't think it's fair for him to survive the game if he doesn't even play. And besides, you KNOW Fea would do something like that. Yeah, someone might have mentioned it, but I've noticed it a few days ago and decided we might as well kill two birds (or in this case three I suppose) with one stone while we've got the resources to do it with. We could probably pull this off again toMorrow (if we're lucky) but beyond that it would be sketchy, what with Phantom probably being the next night's kill and then we're back to not being able to trust anyone.

Besides, it's a safe lynch (excuse my phrasing) because we know we won't kill the seer and even if Gil's an ordo it will not be a loss game-wise. No matter what he is, either we kill a wolf or we kill a player who is not helping. (And I'll take the risk of losing an ordo out of our numbers because with only one wolf left we should be fine). Besides, notice Nog at some point (I'll quote the post when I find it) was in favor of keeping Gil around to support our numbers. I wonder why it would be such a big deal to....oh, let's see....a wolf? Hmmmm....


See? Makes perfect sense, even outside my head. At least to me. Erm, wait. ;)

However, I know it's only proper to bring this before the village and see what they say before I did anything like that.


So, village? What think you?



EDIT: x'd with Lommie Mommie ;)

[the phantom]

But Boro and tp - you still haven't answered my question. Why on earth get your known innocent killed, of all the possible people?
Because she was in fact our "known innocent".

In other words, any other target that I picked would have run the risk of being an actual Werewolf. And if I would've run that ploy with a WW, then the WWs would instantly know, "Phantom aint the Seer!" So no chance would they kill me then.

And with the kill set up person being a WW, they wouldn't even think about killing them obviously.

So with both pieces of bait out of the way (me and the kill-set-up), the WWs would be much more likely to kill Boro, which was the ultimate thing I was trying to prevent.

[Boromir88]

Also, by the way (this is the thing that makes me the most distrustful of these two brilliant gentlemen) - arranging the death of a known innocent sounds rather eyebrow-raising. Why choose her of all the people? Care to explain?~Lommy
I did feel pretty cold-hearted about that one, as I doubt Agan would approve, especially in a village like this. :D

It was really just working off tp's attempt to make Gil look like a good target. Honestly after McCaber died, I was serious about thinking I signed his death warrant. I mean I pretty much just said...last time I remember McCaber was so right about everything I was convinced he was a wolf. Then when Nerwen asked for thoughts about Agan, it just kind of popped in, well Agan has been pretty intense this game, she would make a good wolf target, and of course I knew she wasn't the seer, but knew she was innocent. So, I dressed it up as nice as possible, and I laughed when I finally figured out that tp was adding his own twist to it. I believe I sent an apology out to Agan, hope she accepted it, but I thought it was necessary for me. As I thought the only way for me to survive in this one is just to get on everyone's last nerve, and hope I only make it more difficult on the wolves.

That is why so much of my strategy relied on tp's role too. I mean I knew as hard as I tried I was not going to out post him, so I could really come out and be as active and up-front as possible, and know that tp would be even more so, and if necessary would cause bigger trouble for the wolves than I would. So, really I could come out and be as bold as I wanted to, and look like such a blatant conniving wolf, but still hopefully not too much so that I got lynched. Also, I could be as aggressive against the wolves, and look like such a blatant seer, as I wanted to because I knew I was so crazy no one would believe me anyway, until I was dead or revealed. I'm not sure I want to tell the phantom what I was planning if he was a wolf, than he might know all the tricks in my bag and use it against me. (I was serious about my dream of voting for a filibuster and tp blocking my vote too! :p)

This has managed to be the only village that absolutely haunts me. (Which is my tip of the hat and bow to our modgoddesses :D).

[Thinlómien]

Boro and tp - thanks for the explanation. It kind of makes sense and the way you answer makes me even more convinced you're honest. :)


Okay, so the last wolf must be among

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
Sally


I'm pretty sure the wolf isn't

Nerwen - ranger-confusion = enough said.

or

Greenie - her constant annoyance and criticism at tp and Boro looks innocent to me, also, I think she's too "sharp" to be a wolf.


I don't think the wolf is

Brinn or Kath - their overall tones are just very genuine.

or

Rune - I suspect he'd be far more nervous by now if he was the wolf.


I hope the wolf isn't

Gil - it'd be too unfair.

or

Gwath - absolutely no read on him either.


The wolf could be

Ilya - she has really said some rather fishy stuff and I think she was a bit too quick to trust tp and Boro yesterDay. Also, although I can't recall it right now, I think there's something curious in the relationship between her and Nog...

or

Sally - she seems to have been a little jumpy toDay, which is just understandable if she's about to be left alone. Also, she too says some fishy stuff.


While toDay still lasts, I'd love to have a look at the three wolves' posts and see who looks like their mate and then proceed based on those clues. Also, having a look at at least sally and Ilya separately probably wouldn't do me any bad either. But I doubt I will be much around anymore before the second phase of toDay - I have an exam to study to tonight and I don't feel it's extra necessary that I'm here right now. :)

[the phantom]

Voted against a filibuster-

tp
Nerwen
Rune
Boro
Sally
Ilya
Kath
Green
Lommy

That is more than half of the village, which means that there is no option of filibustering for the rest of the day. We've almost got this thing set up. We just need Rep votes from Brin, Green, and Gwath. (And me, but I'm going last just in case.)

The votes-

Ner +++++Sally
Rune ++++Boro
Boro ++++Ner
Sally ++++tp
Ilya +++++Boro
Kath ++++Ner
Lommy ++tp

Left to vote-

Brinniel- vote Boro
Greenie- vote Phantom
Gwathagor- vote Nerwen
the phantom- vote Sally

EDIT: Spacing

[mormegil]

Yesterday, since I found out morm was a wolf, and I was suspicious of his and Rune's interaction. I was honestly thinking about revealing and making Rune believe I dreamt he was a wolf, thus killing two wolves with one dream. But I was a little tentative and scared, that if I was wrong about Rune it could really backfire severely and thus there would be no benefit.


Whatever you do, do NOT push this button. Seriously don't dream of Rune it would be a waste of dream.

[the phantom]

Here is the Rep voting from the first three days. Listed at the top are the Werewolves. Listed at the bottom are the innocents. Somewhere in the middle is the last Wolf.

morm ++ Nog/Agan/Lommy
Nog +++ Ilya/Boro/Kath
KA ++++ Boro/Lommy/Green
----------
Brin ++++ Agan/Kath/Shasta
Gil +++++ none/none/none
Green ++ Brin/morm/morm
Gwath ++ Nog/none/Boro
Ilya ++++ Boro/Rune/Boro
Kath ++++ Lommy/Boro/Nog
Lommy ++ Ilya/Nerwen/Shasta
Nerwen ++ none/Lommy/Kath
Rune ++++ none/morm/morm
Sally ++++ Legate/none/Green
----------
Boro ++++ tp/Agan/Nog
tp ++++++ Legate/Kath/Boro
Shasta ++ Agan/Nerwen/Lommy

[mormegil]

However, morm would be put into a tough position if he was the deciding vote, because he had pretty much conceded to tp. Unless if Nogrod was purely banking on Shasta's vote for tp, in which case, morm could have cast his vote for me, causing tp's lynching. That could have been seen as suspicious, but wolf-morm could have wriggled his way out of it, and precisely why I didn't want him deciding things yesterday.



Jerk!

Oh I confessed did I, ummmm just remember this is a Fea game and anything is possible...*laughs manically*

[mormegil]

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it )


I can absolutely totally guarantee, sort of, that Gil is not the last wolf, although I guess I should check my sources on that one.

[Nogrod]

Now what the he....?

Have you just gone totally mad all of you? Still letting that dynamic duo mess with your heads?

You know they are still alive those two? Have you ever wondered at why that is? If they were innocents they would be around here no more, Night1 *bang*, Night2 *bang* and the end of their story. I mean some wolves can be sporty right, but being sporty doesn't mean suicidal. Ergo they must be the wolves themselves. QED.

So they were excepting to get the rope from us anyDay now but somehow the seer never came forwards. And those vermins hit the seemingly correct idea last Night as they plotted: any sensible seer with that big fishes bagged (both of them that is) would have come forwards instantly. But nothing happened, no one came forwards... Now what could it be? Gil-Galad it would be.

So why hasn't Fea modfed him? Well you just don't modfire seers now do you? Hello citizens! Wake up!

Happily the chosen representatives have one more Day to chew that info. ;)

[the phantom]

I'm not sure I want to tell the phantom what I was planning if he was a wolf, than he might know all the tricks in my bag and use it against me.
Tell me, or I'll always kill you first.

*chuckles*

[Gwathagor]

Now what the he....?

Have you just gone totally mad all of you? Still letting that dynamic duo mess with your heads?

You know they are still alive those two? Have you ever wondered at why that is? If they were innocents they would be around here no more, Night1 *bang*, Night2 *bang* and the end of their story. I mean some wolves can be sporty right, but being sporty doesn't mean suicidal. Ergo they must be the wolves themselves. QED.

So they were excepting to get the rope from us anyDay now but somehow the seer never came forwards. And those vermins hit the seemingly correct idea last Night as they plotted: any sensible seer with that big fishes bagged (both of them that is) would have come forwards instantly. But nothing happened, no one came forwards... Now what could it be? Gil-Galad it would be.

So why hasn't Fea modfed him? Well you just don't modfire seers now do you? Hello citizens! Wake up!

Happily the chosen representatives have one more Day to chew that info. ;)

Ok, but how do you explain morm's apparent confession?

[Nogrod]

No snappy and funny answer to that tp yet? You are around but you need to think don't you as to how to answer that, right?

Aren't you bit slow to be an ordo? :eek:

[Nogrod]

Ok, but how do you explain morm's apparent confession?It's his business to answer for himself.

[Gwathagor]

You were happy enough to speak for Gil. If your explanation can't take into account the morm-factor, then I can't buy it.

[Nogrod]

If your explanation can't take into account the morm-factor, then it I can't buy it.How should I know what morm is thinking? Do you know what Greenie is thinking?

Anyway this is a game modded by Fea, so everything's possible. I would be surprised if we only got what the initial rules gave us...

[the phantom]

No snappy and funny answer to that tp yet?
I wasn't planning on responding at all.

But if I must....

I think it would be the funniest thing ever if Gil was the Seer. But there is no way that the WWs could bank on it.

In addition, Boro, morm, and I would all have to be in on it. That would be all three Wolves. Which means that the moment you would die and be proven an Ordo, we would be discovered and surely lose.

Do you really think we'd lose purposefully?

[A Little Green]

Nog - calm down, will you? No need to get heated. Please if you think/know those two are wrong then give us some logical proof. Prove their arguments wrong and I'll be sure to reconsider. As long as your theory has flaws such as the morm thing Gwath already pointed out, I can't take it seriously.

I plan to go to sleep in an instant. So,

++ phantom for representative


EDIT: x-ed with Nog and phantom

[the phantom]

How should I know what morm is thinking? Do you know what Greenie is thinking?
That's easy. Right now-
morm: I can't wait for the Utah-BYU game!
Green: Get off the computer and let me post!

EDIT: x-post, See, I was right about Green!

[the phantom]

Gwath- we still need your vote for Nerwen.

[Nogrod]

Do you really think we'd lose purposefully?Nope.

But how do you know morm is a wolf? Are you now claiming to be the seer? Last time it was your mate in crime who said he was the seer and not you... You guys share a bit too confident a plan.

[mormegil]

You were happy enough to speak for Gil. If your explanation can't take into account the morm-factor, then I can't buy it.


I'm fine with dying because this lynch will buy those I work for more time, so of course I'm willing to confess. I do not know who the others are, I cannot be sure of Nogrod, all I know is that I was given a special role from Fea because she knew I would be one dreamt of and then the fun would begin....

"You can't win, Village. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

[Gwathagor]

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

++Nerwen

I've been waiting to see what Nogrod would say. It proved to be unsatisfactory.

EDIT: Crossed with nogrod and morm

[Gwathagor]

This is going to be interesting.

[the phantom]

Just noticed this-
Greenie- vote Phantom
You're enjoying this aren't you? You pig. :D
Ha ha! Yes. I purposefully made you one of the ones to vote for me. Just because I knew you'd hate it. :D

[A Little Green]

That's easy. Right now-
morm: I can't wait for the Utah-BYU game!
Green: Get off the computer and let me post!Haha, but actually you are wrong since I'm at our mother's place at the moment. :D

That aside, Nog dear start speaking sense! No one expects you to know what morm is thinking. BUT you should be sensible enough to realise that an innocent villager would have no reason to confess being a wolf, which means that he is a wolf and Boro was right about him. Besides, like phantom said, if Boro and phantom are wolves, the plan would make no sense at all unless you, too, were a wolf! The only way that theory makes even the slightest bit of sense would mean that you are a wolf too, which in turn doesn't help your personal cause at all. :)


EDIT: x-ed with a lot of people

[A Little Green]

Ha ha! Yes. I purposefully made you one of the ones to vote for me. Just because I knew you'd hate it.I thought as much. You're evil. :D

I'm going to bed now. Good night.

[Boromir88]

morm's got the class to admit he's been caught in a trap...Nog will get there once his pride has fallen...ie once he's lynched. My advice, pay no attention to either of them, just enjoy their company while they are still with us. :p

[the phantom]

All we need now is Brin's vote for Boro and the lynch set up will be complete.

[the phantom]

I thought as much. You're evil. :D
What? No, no, we've already been through this. Boro dreamed that I was not evil. :D

[Boromir88]

"You can't win, Village. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."~morm

Your jedi tricks won't work on us.... :rolleyes:

something, something, something...darkside. something, something, something...complete. :D

[Nogrod]

BUT you should be sensible enough to realise that an innocent villager would have no reason to confess being a wolf, which means that he is a wolf and Boro was right about him.He was also right about The Ka, but the question is did he knew it or did he just quess it? At least he hasn't "confessed" dreaming on her... And Shasta "was right" about her but that neither proves he knew it.

But you're right in that there is something fishy in here. Happily we still have something like 30 hours to look at the possibilities.

Besides, like phantom said, if Boro and phantom are wolves, the plan would make no sense at all unless you, too, were a wolf! The only way that theory makes even the slightest bit of sense would mean that you are a wolf too, which in turn doesn't help your personal cause at all. :)I'm not so keen on my personal "cause". This game has taken just a bit too much time in the middle of rushed period at work and I will kind of feel relieved when this is all over (fun as it has been to the fullest) but I'm just trying to help so that that lupine duo will not fool you completely.

And the first thing you should do is to drop that devillish plan of a double lynch immediately. You see who were the proponents of it? How come it was Boro and tp... Just lynch me first, I'm all for it. Then you can see who's the one setting others up.

I mean how come you belive these guys now without a question. If Gil is the seer - who got hurt and decided to let the village rot in their own misery without a seer - they can do absolutely what they wish with you unless someone stands up and challenges them.

My advice, pay no attention to either of them, just enjoy their company while they are still with us.You see what I mean? Do not challenge them is the message. Be lulled to the secure feeling of everything being nice and dandy... in a Fea game! Now that's a walking contradiction. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

If Gil is the seer
That's a huge if.

Do you really think Boro and I would bet so heavily on that possibility?

Then we show up to do our plan and- whoops! The Seer was somebody else. And we're toast.

You really think we'd risk that?

As soon as Brin votes for Boro your fate is sealed.

[Nogrod]

That's a huge if.Like that if Boro really is a seer is...

Do you really think Boro and I would bet so heavily on that possibility?If you are just an ordo as you claim how come you speak of you two betting on something right there? Aren't you two following a plan you have written together? I mean this still looks fishy to me.

And not the least because meanwhile I'm also beginning to think you might just have been played the fool here tp. There should be a surprise or two in a game modded by Fea so what is it?

Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?

All those might explain his actions to the minutest detail - even the fact that he just caught morm by chance (or as false seers may have genuine dreams as well?) you have played along that nicely not knowing you have been fooled...

As soon as Brin votes for Boro your fate is sealed.Right. I know that. I'm mainly targeting the future as you well know... :rolleyes:

People should be more sportive by the way. This is getting a bit boring. :p


Btw., I'm making a prediction: believe it or not but Boro will be alive toMorrow. I know it.

Think about that. :D

[mormegil]

That aside, Nog dear start speaking sense! No one expects you to know what morm is thinking. BUT you should be sensible enough to realise that an innocent villager would have no reason to confess being a wolf, which means that he is a wolf and Boro was right about him.


I confess that I am not an 'innocent' villager but I also confess that I am not a wolf, Fea organized a special role for me one which I relished. There was a reason I was going after Boromir so loudly and vocally, I tell you all I want to be lynched, it will be quite fun to see your reactions to what will happen.

[mormegil]

All we need now is Brin's vote for Boro and the lynch set up will be complete.

Brinn would never turn on me.

[mormegil]

People should be more sportive by the way. This is getting a bit boring. :p


Yes being that I was part of the conversation, though not an active voter in the conversations of the 4 wolves I must say that this is what kept you alive tummy....pstt Lommy, that was a good bluff you pulled off calling Nogrod out like that when he and the others killed McCaber, you almost made me believe you weren't part of the conversation.

[the phantom]

If you are just an ordo as you claim how come you speak of you two betting on something right there? Aren't you two following a plan you have written together?
Pretty much. But that doesn't mean we've been PMing. ;)
Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?
We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.

Option two would be amusing, but we cannot assume it, especially since no one has emerged to contest his claim.

Option one would be quite interesting, but as I know for a fact that two of his dreams were correct (Agan and I) I'm not going to assume that his Seership is false.
Btw., I'm making a prediction: believe it or not but Boro will be alive toMorrow. I know it.
Now that would be quite interesting.
I confess that I am not an 'innocent' villager but I also confess that I am not a wolf, Fea organized a special role for me one which I relished. There was a reason I was going after Boromir so loudly and vocally, I tell you all I want to be lynched, it will be quite fun to see your reactions to what will happen.
I suppose everyone who voted for you will die?

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you. :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I tried to read through what has happened, but I just end up confused and agitated.

If things are not as they seem. . .well I am just going to take it as it comes, I will see you sometime tomorrow.

[Nogrod]

Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?


We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.You're right, in case it's a traditional werebear that is... :cool:

Option two would be amusing, but we cannot assume it, especially since no one has emerged to contest his claim.Now you're taking the easy road once more tp. Why isn't Gil modfired? Any ideas about that? If a wolf, Boro would have to take some drastic moves as he is a certain seer target - so how nice if Gil indeed is the seer and he can roam free with his "revealment"? And face it, with no seer-revealment at this point of the game one could actually bet on that. I mean it's not that huge if actually. Looking at Boro alive this late and no seer revealing makes it quite probable indeed.

Option one would be quite interesting, but as I know for a fact that two of his dreams were correct (Agan and I) I'm not going to assume that his Seership is false.I kind of remember there being a false seer that had a certain percentage of the dreams right and wrong. And anyway, you can't know his dream on Agan to be a fact indeed. He might have easily fabricated the Agan stuff as her role was generally known before he "revealed"!

And with you... well how do we know what you are? So we can't just assume you're honest just like that even if you trail a "revealed" seer - and even if you were an innocent, he could have just guessed it.


Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you. :pBe my guest. :D

[mormegil]

I suppose everyone who voted for you will die?

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you. :p

Now the great part of it is this, I can sit here and tell you that you will all be shocked and that I want to be lynched and know that none of you will believe me and it will make you want to lynch me all the more but trust me, you will be shocked when you find out what happens.

[the phantom]

Your Gil assumption is too much of a leap for a WW to be willing to make.

Not to mention that it would accomplish nothing, as the village would lynch Boro the day after he is proven to be false.
Now the great part of it is this, I can sit here and tell you that you will all be shocked and that I want to be lynched and know that none of you will believe me and it will make you want to lynch me all the more but trust me, you will be shocked when you find out what happens.
If dear Fea has decided to throw something terrible at us without warning, that is her choice. But we must function as if we know the rules unless we are told otherwise by the puppet master.

[the phantom]

Hey Boro, I was just thinking...

What if Shasta had voted me to my death yesterday and then you bit the dust during the Night? It easily could have happened.

I'd say if the village pulls out a victory, Shasta deserves a heap of praise.

[Brinniel]

Hello,

I've been in classes all day and only just got in. I haven't read anything yet, so I'm a bit behind.

So what there...four pages to read? You guys post too darned much. :p I better get started. *runs off*

[the phantom]

Here's a summary, Brin.

Boro=Seer
tp=innocent
Nog=WW
morm=WW

We're going to double-lynch the Wolves. Everyone has already voted for their Reps according to our double-lynch voting plan. After you cast your vote for Boro then I will cast the final vote and our set up will be complete.

[Nerwen]

You're right, in case it's a traditional werebear that is... :cool:

Now you're taking the easy road once more tp. Why isn't Gil modfired? Any ideas about that? If a wolf, Boro would have to take some drastic moves as he is a certain seer target - so how nice if Gil indeed is the seer and he can roam free with his "revealment"? And face it, with no seer-revealment at this point of the game one could actually bet on that. I mean it's not that huge if actually. Looking at Boro alive this late and no seer revealing makes it quite probable indeed.

I kind of remember there being a false seer that had a certain percentage of the dreams right and wrong. And anyway, you can't know his dream on Agan to be a fact indeed. He might have easily fabricated the Agan stuff as her role was generally known before he "revealed"!

And with you... well how do we know what you are? So we can't just assume you're honest just like that even if you trail a "revealed" seer - and even if you were an innocent, he could have just guessed it.


Be my guest. :D

Nogrod– it is true that, with Boromir's history of successful gifted impersonation, I believe no claim of his should be accepted without a lot of scrutiny– but I really don't see what good it would do him... Okay, there's the standard trick to lure the real Seer out.... but no such person has come forward.

You say, that's because it's Gil... but that would require the wolves to be virtually certain it was. So why wouldn't they have eaten him last Night?

What else could it be? A Borowolf trying to take an innocent phantom down with him? But all that does is buy the last wolf an extra Day or so which he wouldn't have needed if Boromir hadn't done this.

EDIT: x'd with Brin and some phantoms.

[Nerwen]

Jerk!

Oh I confessed did I, ummmm just remember this is a Fea game and anything is possible...*laughs manically*

Yes, morm, you confessed. Here is your quite unambiguous confession:

#1245
Okay all I can say is if I were able I would kill my fellow wolves myself. I wanted to kill you since night 1 but didn't assert myself well enough. To find the last wolf just look for the guy who's eating his boot.

I'm fine with dying because this lynch will buy those I work for more time, so of course I'm willing to confess. I do not know who the others are, I cannot be sure of Nogrod, all I know is that I was given a special role from Fea because she knew I would be one dreamt of and then the fun would begin....

"You can't win, Village. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

So, you're the village Jedi, morm? I thought that was Legate.

Look, if you want to be lynched so badly, why tell us all this? Why not just say, "yes, I'm a wolf"? I think you're bluffing.

[mormegil]

Look, if you want to be lynched so badly, why tell us all this? Why not just say, "yes, I'm a wolf"? I think you're bluffing.

Just ask Boro how much fun it is to hide right under your nose. I have no doubt that Boro is likely the seer and I have no doubt that he dreamt of me and thought he saw a wolf but it's fun to tell you all the truth and have nobody believe me.

[Brinniel]

Here's a summary, Brin.

Boro=Seer
tp=innocent
Nog=WW
morm=WW

We're going to double-lynch the Wolves. Everyone has already voted for their Reps according to our double-lynch voting plan. After you cast your vote for Boro then I will cast the final vote and our set up will be complete.

Yes, I only got halfway through the Day before getting interrupted by a phone call, but I think I got the idea pretty early on. And if I hadn't figured it out by the end of page 32, I would be pretty dense. ;)

++Boro for rep

We have enough No Filibuster votes to eliminate that possibility, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyways, I'm off to finish catching up. There's so much to read...and I have this horrible habit of skimming. :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

Well, Brinn, the only major development is that morm has now semi-retracted his confession and is saying he isn't a wolf but something else evil which

a.) appears to the Seer as a wolf

and

b.) will become extraordinarily powerful if lynched, sealing the village's doom.

As I said, he's most likely bluffing.

[Brinniel]

Well, Brinn, the only major development is that morm has now semi-retracted his confession and is saying he isn't a wolf but something else evil which

a.) appears to the Seer as a wolf

and

b.) will become extraordinarily powerful if lynched, sealing the village's doom.

As I said, he's most likely bluffing.
Heh, that sort of reminds me of the last WW game... :rolleyes:

It didn't turn out so well for Fea and Eomer either. :p

[the phantom]

Don't worry about morm's story. Our job is to play according to the rules that we have been given. So even if morm has a secret Mad Bomber role that kills everyone when he dies, it would still be the correct thing to lynch him, as we have not been informed of any such role.

Ah, so we now have Brin's vote. And I shall cast mine-

++Sally for Rep

There we have it. The Reps-

Boro- 3
tp---- 3
Ner-- 3
Sally- 2

As it stands currently, Boro will vote for morm and I will vote for Nog, with Nerwen and Sally abstaining.

Just so that there are no mistakes, I shall declare my vote intention before I actually cast the vote, and Boro will approve it. After my vote is up, Boro will cast his. But before either of us vote, Nerwen and Sally should declare their intention to abstain, just so we're all clear. I know it sounds a little silly, but better safe than sorry.

[Brinniel]

I'm all caught up now. I should be around for the rest of the evening, so I should be able to contribute something later. Anyways, I apologise for being so quiet. I don't mean to, but between RL stresses and 48 hour Days, I'm starting to feel worn thin.

Btw tp, you have nearly 300 posts in this thread. Is that some sort of record for a WW game, or have you done this before? :p

[the phantom]

Btw tp, you have nearly 300 posts in this thread. Is that some sort of record for a WW game, or have you done this before?
Ha ha! Yeah, given the format of this village I was expecting some high post counts. I've gone over 100 three times I believe, but nothing close to this.

And just think- I haven't even done a filibuster. :p

[Nogrod]

And just think- I haven't even done a filibuster. When I saw the situation in the village skimming it through earlier in the Day I just thought I should really make a filibuster of the century just saving the village from Boro, but when I finally got to the computer almost all of the village had voted for non-filibustering action. :(

I had kind of prepared to do a six hour filibuster...hoping someone in her/his right minds would have then continued it to the end as the deadline is 6AM here. :D

But really villagers, can't you see how you are walked to the butchery in all peace?

Okay. Now to bed but I will reveal a few things tomorrow.

[the phantom]

When I saw the situation in the village skimming it through earlier in the Day I just thought I should really make a filibuster of the century
That's exactly why we put it in the plans to vote against one from the beginning. ;)
Now to bed but I will reveal a few things tomorrow.
Ah, good, so you are going to reveal a Werewolf to us? Excellent.

[Boromir88]

Instead of doing something constructive to perhaps make himself sound more believable, Nogrod just chooses to be against everything. You know Nogrod, you can't just be against something, you also have to be for something. :p

morm, would it have something to do with being a willing sacrificial wolf? I mean you have been a good sport today, played nicely, listen well, haven't caused a disturbance...seems like there's some benefit for you to cooperate so nicely. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But we must function as if we know the rules unless we are told otherwise by the puppet master.

:cool:

Heh, that sort of reminds me of the last WW game... :rolleyes:

It didn't turn out so well for Fea and Eomer either.

I was so in love with the idea of being the village prostitute... Everybody's Lover...

Modding has its privileges.

[Brinniel]

I just realised we're back to having the phantom telling us what to do.

It's like Dueling Wizards all over again... :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

++Tummy for rep...that's right Tummy aka phantom but Tummy is much cuter and fits his charm and wit

At a minimum I don't want to give tummy the knowledge that he did the actual voting on this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*laughs maniacally*

[mormegil]

Sally, I trust you will save Nogrod as planned correct and let me be the willing lynch candidate?

Haven't you asked yourself yet Boro, why we let you live? I've known you were the seer all along but I decided to let you live just so you would dream of me so that our plan and my role could be realized.

[the phantom]

Thanks for the vote, morm.

Nerwen- it is now you who must vote for Nog. I shall abstain.
I just realised we're back to having the phantom telling us what to do.

It's like Dueling Wizards all over again...
Ha ha!

But I'm not throwing that many orders around. All I asked for was a Rep vote from you. You're completely free otherwise. And tomorrow you'll be entirely free from orders as far as I know.

And the day after I won't even be alive, if that cheers you up at all.

[satansaloser2005]

K, so I'm going to go run an errand for my sweet-mate (yes, I did that on purpose) so I'll probably be back in half an hour or so. Definitely in time for "deadline".


Once more into the cold....erm, breach, dear friends! ;)

~~Sally~~

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, I trust you will save Nogrod as planned correct and let me be the willing lynch candidate?

Haven't you asked yourself yet Boro, why we let you live? I've known you were the seer all along but I decided to let you live just so you would dream of me so that our plan and my role could be realized.


Nice try, Monkey Boy. ;)



Hehe I still wanna kill Gil though, in all seriousness. *is a naughty girl* But I'll wait and see how everything else works out, yeah? :)


Okay. Leaving now. Back soon.

[mormegil]

K, so I'm going to go run an errand for my sweet-mate (yes, I did that on purpose)


Sally heed my last bit of advice please. Continue to do this and hide in the open...nobody believes a wolf would do that.

[Gwathagor]

I just realised we're back to having the phantom telling us what to do.

It's like Dueling Wizards all over again... :rolleyes:

Lord have mercy.

You know he loves it. Despite his all protests over being made a distraction yesterDay.

[Brinniel]

Gil-Galad: How horribly unsporty it would be if he were the last wolf, but I somehow doubt it.

Greenie: I'm still not sure about her, but she seem particularly suspicious. I like that she bothered to put up her thoughts on other players toDay rather than just disappear...but that doesn't particularly mean she's innocent.

Gwathagor: Gah, why is it he always seems to fall under my radar? Perhaps because his posts are shorter and less than most? It's discomforting that I haven't seen much substance from him.

Ilya: I don't really like how she pops in, votes, then disappear...but it looks like it was done for RL reasons, so I can't blame her for that. I admit I haven't been paying much attention to her though, so I better start keeping a better eye on her.

Lommy: I still think the possible reasons behind Aganzir's death makes her more likely innocent than suspicious.

Kath: She only made one post toDay and that was her vote post...then she disappeared without explanation. That makes me a bit wary.

Nerwen: Hmm...I'm not very sure about her. She's another I need to have a better look at.

Rune: The tone of his posts don't sit right with me. He seems rather negative since we most likely just bagged three wolves in two Days.

Sally: Her idea to try a triple lynch is rather weird. As frustrating as Gil's absence is, the thought of a triple lynch seems too risky to me. And as long as Boro's being truthful, we should only have one wolf left by the end of toDay. So why the rush to lynch a third person (who I think is probably innocent)?

Boromir: I probably would've doubted him had I been here early in the Day, but with morm's "confession" and Nogrod acting just as absurd, I don't see how Boro could be anything but truthful. Yeah, and I was so convinced that he was a wolf yesterDay. :o

the phantom: I still don't like how he bosses us around...but because I believe Boro, I will begrudgingly follow his orders. :p

mormegil: Fenrir Greyback :eek:

Nogrod: My, my, what big teeth you have...

EDIT: X-ed since morm's vote

[mormegil]

Kath: She only made one post toDay and that was her vote post...then she disappeared without explanation. That makes me a bit wary.


That's because she is lying low and making sure not to get too noticed, it wouldn't do to have her expose herself and let you bag another wolf on the next day now would it.

[Brinniel]

Well folks, I can't say you'll hear much from me until the second half of tomorrow. It's starting to get late and I'm going to attempt (key word: attempt) to go to bed earlier for once. Then I have class for the first half of the day.

But first...I shall watch an episode of Torchwood. I must find out what happens to Owen (I'm on the episode "A Day in the Death" for all you fans)...

EDIT: X-ed with the morm-wolf

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm going to attempt (key word: attempt) to go to bed earlier for once.

*jealous*

Mod note:

I'm packing up for Thanksgiving Break and I'm pretty certain I'm going to be internet-less until Sunday night. I'm hoping one of my lovely co-moddesses can take care of you kids 'til I get back, but if not, let's just sort of assume that you won't find out the results of tomorrow's vote until Sunday.

[the phantom]

I still don't like how he bosses us around
I mapped out a fool-proof way to achieve the double lynch we needed to do. I'd hardly call that bossing people around. :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Yes, if anything tp was my assistant in all of this. I told him I needed a double-lynch and he just went out formulated and executed the plan. Keep it up and you could make a great Dunkin Donuts runner, for me.

Oh crap...you have the 4 votes don't you?

[the phantom]

Well, it's past the deadline.

I, the Representative from Nebraska, will join Sally, the other Representative from Nebraska, and sit on my vote.

Boro and Nerwen- it's all up to you now. :)

If this goes well, Boro, at least you'll have one game to feel good about over the weekend.

EDIT: Yeah, Boro- morm gave me a fourth vote, so I can't be the one to execute Nog.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If this goes well, Boro, at least you'll have one game to feel good about over the weekend.

I really wouldn't want to get cocky...

[the phantom]

I really wouldn't want to get cocky...
That's why I said "if" this goes well. ;)

[Boromir88]

I really wouldn't want to get cocky...~Fea
I would feel good about doing my part, whatever happens afterwards, well my best goes out to both. But you innocents better not screw it up. :p

(P.S. Greenie and this is when the ordinary villagers will have to step up to do their part :D )

[Boromir88]

Guess what I heard today tp?

They actually will not be playing the Michigan - OSU game, it has been cancelled.

[satansaloser2005]

This is me, signing in, abstaining, and signing off. :)


Mind you, I'll express my opinion, but it appears the village wants Gil alive, so I'll follow y'all's wishes. Either way's good with me.



Alternatively, now that we're about to get rid of two of the wolves let's start worrying about the last little furry one, savvy?

[Boromir88]

sally, I actually was going to get on and propose the triple-lynching idea, but didn't want to support it until the deadline, so a wolf would be able to come in and mess it up. Looks, like morm did it anyway. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

You almost sound like you're ready to die, Boro. :p

I know the feeling. In the Wizard game I was totally ready to wave bye and wish everyone luck.

Perhaps just to be cruel you will be left alive tonight. Werewolves would do something foul like that.

Actually, I really think Green should get killed in the next Night. It would be a wonderful birthday present for her.

[mormegil]

Guess what I heard today tp?

They actually will not be playing the Michigan - OSU game, it has been cancelled.

Nationally who cares about this game...we all think the Buckeyes are overrated anyway and Michigan is awful....

Anyway WW topic, ummmmm I kill you.

[the phantom]

They actually will not be playing the Michigan - OSU game, it has been cancelled.
Is that what you're telling yourself?

Anyway, I think I'm going to bed. I'm behind on sleep, and won't have a chance to catch up this weekend. See you tomorrow.

[Nerwen]

Signing in...

What's going on now?

[Boromir88]

Well, morm it's been cancelled because Michigan can't get past Toledo...oh you got to love your co-workers :rolleyes:

It would be a great joy to see OSU go play Texas or someone and just get demolished.

[satansaloser2005]

Signing in...

What's going on now?



As far as I know, you're to vote for Nog. Or is it Morm? Meh, one or the other. ;)


Barring that, some stupid boys talking about sports. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

morm- are you going up to see the big game? The second biggest game in the country is being played right there in Utah. Pretty cool for you.
It would be a great joy to see OSU go play Texas or someone and just get demolished.
That would be great.

But this weekend Boro- I recommend that you buy a dvd of Michigan highlights from one of their championship years and watch that on Saturday instead of the game. It will lift your spirits, and encourage you to think positively.

Seriously now, good night.

[Boromir88]

Nerwen, you will be voting for Nogrod, and I'll vote for morm. If you want to do it now, we can.

[Boromir88]

Barring that, some stupid boys talking about sports. :rolleyes:~sally
Hey, after this whole I kill him, he kills me business, I plan on just taking it easy, kicking it back, and watching some football with morm. We're politicians here, in public we put on angry faces and blame eachother, but behind closed doors we're talking about our favorite places to eat.

[satansaloser2005]

Hey, after this whole I kill him, he kills me business, I plan on just taking it easy, kicking it back, and watching some football with morm. We're politicians here, in public we put on angry faces and blame eachother, but behind closed doors we're talking about our favorite places to eat.



Tehe. Still stupid boys talking about sports. :smokin:


But we love you anyway. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm just gonna go with from here on out, I treat direct references to sports the exact same way I treat direct references to Kant.

My game, my rules. Talk about art or something. :cool:

[Boromir88]

So, Fea, did you hear about that child actor from way long ago (I have no idea who this person was), who's having a sculpture being displayed in the Louvre? I guess next to the Mona Lisa or something.

I have many faces, I can carry a general conversation on just about anything.

[satansaloser2005]

Not that it's worth much, but....


Phantom and Sally vote Nog.

Boro and Nerwen vote Morm.


Rocks fall, everybody (well, Nog and Morm anyway) dies.



Yes, I pretty much just want to bloody feel useful in this village. :p

[Boromir88]

Hey, I'd be for it. And I would hope tp would be back sometime in the next 22 hours.

[satansaloser2005]

Alternatively, I have some things to do. Back in several minutes, and if I see Boro say anything about sports....*shakes fist*


:p

[Boromir88]

Alternatively, I have some things to do. Back in several minutes, and if I see Boro say anything about sports....*shakes fist*~sally
I am under the control of the all-mighty three, this was their punishment for me, they just like watching me drive myself crazy. I would not risk it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I guess next to the Mona Lisa or something.

That's got nothing on Thomas Kinkade's movie-making manifesto (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/culture/2008/11/14/thomas-kincades-16-guidelines-for-making-stuff-suck.html). I've been quoting it for two days running now, every opportunity I get. You know what would drastically improve this game? THE CONCEPT OF LOVE. Who wants to help me make the posters? :)

Oh yes, and- don't forget that last wolf.

Ahem.

Game. Yes.
Game.

[the phantom]

Hey, I'd be for it. And I would hope tp would be back sometime in the next 22 hours.
I'm back, actually. I got hungry and now I'm eating a bunch so I won't be going to bed for a while yet.

[Nerwen]

I'm still here.

[satansaloser2005]

Huzzah!



Okay, chillens. Let's do this. Everyone liking plan version 2.0?


(Sorry. I'm super-hyper today. Top ten reasons why you don't give Sally coffee.)

[the phantom]

You know what would drastically improve this game? THE CONCEPT OF LOVE. Who wants to help me make the posters?
I am drooling at you whats ur age chick

*snickers*

[Boromir88]

hmm...speaking about the CONCEPT OF LOVE is that Bob Ross guy still alive? I see him occassionally on PBS, but my guess is those are re-runs...or maybe it just looks like he paints the same thing every time.

Oh...yes the voting,

Umm tp you like sally's plan? so we're in this as a team?

[Boromir88]

Wow...morm if sally is the last wolf she almost seems super happy to be driving the knife into your back and then twisting it.

[satansaloser2005]

Wow...morm if sally is the last wolf she almost seems super happy to be driving the knife into your back and then twisting it.

If you wanna get real technical I'll be killing Nog. I could never do that to my little primate pal. :Merisu:



And yes. I am kidding.

[Boromir88]

You almost sound like you're ready to die, Boro.~the phantom
I'm stubborn, but I do admit defeat when beaten, and stare back at death. :rolleyes:

Maybe I can play one last mind-trick, and tell the last wolf I'll be gone for the next 48 hours so there would be no point in killing me.

Should I take out the seer? If I do I don't have to worry about him...but if I leave him around people might doubt he's actually the seer? And he said he will be absent for 2 days, maybe I should kill tp at night, and then lynch Boro while he's not here to defend why he's still alive if he really was the seer? Wait a second...he's just messing with me again?

Or am I?

[the phantom]

Okay, so what's the deal?

Boro and Nerwen vote morm, and Sally and I vote Nog?

Tied at six then, right?

Sounds fine to me.

[Boromir88]

Ok, back to business.

Alright, well I'm making a decision because sleep would be good right now, and I want it.

Nerwen and I will vote for morm.

Sally and tp you will vote for Nogrod.

No more debates, that's it, final it's been set in stone...or well actually just written in invisble ink.

Edit: crossed with tp, ahh see perfect.

[the phantom]

All right, Boro. I'm on board.

I will cast my lynch vote for Nog in five minutes unless I hear stop orders.

[satansaloser2005]

No more debates, that's it, final it's been set in stone...or well actually just written in invisble ink.

Heh.

And with that....



++lynch Noggins

[Nerwen]

Well, then

++mormegil

[the phantom]

Maybe I can play one last mind-trick, and tell the last wolf I'll be gone for the next 48 hours so there would be no point in killing me.

Should I take out the seer? If I do I don't have to worry about him...but if I leave him around people might doubt he's actually the seer? And he said he will be absent for 2 days, maybe I should kill tp at night, and then lynch Boro while he's not here to defend why he's still alive if he really was the seer? Wait a second...he's just messing with me again?
What's really gonna tick the WWs off is when they find out what the two of us have really been up to.

Anyone wonder why Boro didn't do his Seer dream reveal right away when the day started? First he talked to me, and I commented back.

And then suddenly he was able to do a reveal of dreams.

;)

[the phantom]

++lynch Nogrod

[Boromir88]

And then suddenly he was able to do a reveal of dreams.~tp
Exactly.

++Lynch mormegil

Good night and no point in wishing good luck, but thank you all for being so cooperative. I wish government could run like that everyday, eh?

I am also starting up a fund to place a statue of Shasta outside of these walls, for his commemeration (sp?). I would just like each of you to send $20,000 (or more if you like), to routing number: 8675309.

(pssp: tp, I figured we'd give a nice slice to Fea so she can take a dream trip up to Antartica, to Mith to have the honour of visiting us in the States, and we'd split the rest of it 50/50)

[the phantom]

(pssp: tp, I figured we'd give a nice slice to Fea so she can take a dream trip up to Antartica, to Mith to have the honour of visiting us in the States, and we'd split the rest of it 50/50)
1) I'll only agree to send Fea to Antarctica if she agrees to decimate the penguin population while she's there.
2) I'm not sharing Mith's attention with anyone. So there will be no visiting "us".
3) If you agree to the above then we can split the rest in your favor 60-40.

[mormegil]

All of you are jerks...you were supposed to wait until at least a few hours to give me the chance to fillibuster...yes I could have used it during this segment of the day...you guys are horribly unsporty I must say...speaking of sporty...no phantom I won't be going to the game I have tickets to all BYU games and this is at Utah, who I hate so much, I want to kill them all.

[mormegil]

Sports are art by the way but art is not sport:p

[Nerwen]

All of you are jerks...you were supposed to wait until at least a few hours to give me the chance to fillibuster...yes I could have used it during this segment of the day...you guys are horribly unsporty I must say.

But I thought you wanted to be lynched, morm!

Sports are art by the way but art is not sport:p

Yes it is.

[mormegil]

Oh I do Nerwen, my hope was that the vote for me would come in first and banking on the Australian time zone difference I was hoping that you would be voting for Noggie and I would be able to fillibuster and save him but none of you are cool at all. I've toyed with the idea of abusing the mod power and editing previous posts to my liking but Fea and I agreed that it would be an agregious abuse of power....still it would be fun.

[Nogrod]

What's really gonna tick the WWs off is when they find out what the two of us have really been up to.

Anyone wonder why Boro didn't do his Seer dream reveal right away when the day started? First he talked to me, and I commented back.

And then suddenly he was able to do a reveal of dreams.

;)The most effective weapon in a game of deceit is always the truth, right mr. phantom? People should really think about it what you two have been up to indeed. :eek:

Maybe I can play one last mind-trick, and tell the last wolf I'll be gone for the next 48 hours so there would be no point in killing me. Nice try Boro, but sadly there is no one left to kill you at Night... You'll see it people, just wait and see...

[A Little Green]

Greenie: I'm still not sure about her, but she seem particularly suspicious. I like that she bothered to put up her thoughts on other players toDay rather than just disappear...but that doesn't particularly mean she's innocent.Hmmm.. seems or doesn't seem? :confused:
Actually, I really think Green should get killed in the next Night. It would be a wonderful birthday present for her. You are one nassssty person, did you know that? Yes, preciousss, very nasssty.

Hmmm. I should try to do something proper toDay also. I'm actually slightly worried about this - this half of the Day has basically been banter all over and little else. Good to see the voting go well without twists and turns, however. And oh, morm and Nog, keep on talking. You are amusing. How many people have you called the fourth wolf morm? Something like three or four? :D

I'll post substance later. Someone should probably look through the three known wolves' posts and seek for evidence on who the fourth is - the problem is that it's a huge job and I admit being far too lazy to try it... :rolleyes:

[A Little Green]

Ah, I see it's the famous "no one around" -time of the Day. And this time not even Nerwen to have a chat with... How boring. I see little point in making a list again since it won't have any changes in it compared to my last. Gah.

[Nerwen]

Ah, I see it's the famous "no one around" -time of the Day. And this time not even Nerwen to have a chat with.

You speak too soon.

[A Little Green]

You speak too soon.Ah, Nerwen my love! Nice to see you! I was getting lonely. :D Do you have any interesting thoughts or something we could talk about?

[Nerwen]

Not really. I had some serious doubts about Sally earlier, what with her push for a triple-lynch... but she didn't try anything when it came to voting.

As for her reasoning on Gil as a possible wolf... yes, it does make sense. However, Lommy mentioned she thought the suggestion first came from Nogwolf. I can't find the post, though.

[A Little Green]

About the Gil-wolf-thing - I don't know but it just seems so improbable to me... I have heard that Gil is the sort of player whose interest in a game depends on his role. Given that I don't think he has a special role. In addition, I don't think he could be that baffled and confused if he were a wolf, unless he was bluffing of course... Yeah, and besides, I would guess his fellows would have urged him to contribute more. (Or at least should have urged..)

Hmm. I don't think we should eliminate the possibility of Gil being a wolf, but at this point I find it very improbable. I wouldn't mind if he got lynched, but I don't think we should waste a lynch on him either.

[Nerwen]

It would explain, though, why he never got eaten or modfired. I'd just like to know whether it was, in fact, Nogrod who came up with the idea, and in what context.

Here's another thing to look at: morm first confessed freely... then he suddenly started on some major I'm-holding-a-thermal-detonator*-type histrionics. I'm going to check the posts and see what people were talking about when that happened... just in case it turns anything up.

Back soon.





*following the semi-theme of this game.;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I miss Bob Ross...

[Kath]

Well, yes Brinn I did disappear. The plan was laid out before me and I did my part of it. I figured if I hung around stuff like what has been happening would happen ... morm confessing and then taking it back, Nog coming up with theory after theory. I tend to read all of it, spend hours arguing with myself, and then going for the original plan anyway. I decided this time I was going to have an easier time of it and just miss out the middle section. :D

[Nerwen]

You know, if it wasn't for Google I wouldn't have a clue what you Americans were talking about half the time.

Why do you miss Bob Ross, Fea?

EDIT: x'd with Kath.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Why do you miss Bob Ross, Fea?

Because no artist was ever quite so good at comfortably anthropomorphizing trees.

Also, his hair.

[Nerwen]

Well, judging from his picture, he did seem to have quite memorable hair.

[Mithalwen]

I assume that Rikae may also be occupied over the US thanksgiving period so unless you are saved at the eleventh hour you will be at my tender mercies.

Unless you hear otherwise (IE Rikae or a guest mod says she can take over), PLEASE assume that day will end at its proper time and you will have to wait till a more civilised time im my part of the world to get the result. I will try to drag my sorrycarcass to the library when it opens at 9.30 - which will be quite an achievement for me on a Saturday so you won't be kept in suspense to long :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I'm just gonna go with from here on out, I treat direct references to sports the exact same way I treat direct references to Kant.

My game, my rules. Talk about art or something. :cool:

awww
I hate Kant, but he is so much fun refering to. . .

Anyways about art: In the 60's the danish muncipality/town of Holstebro bought a sculpture by Alberto Giacometti for DKK 210.000, but since then some of his other sculptures have been sold for $ 14.000.000 and $ 27.000.000. This means that the sculpture in Holstebro now has a value of DKK 100.000.000 (almost $ 17.000.000). This have resulted in the sculpture being removed from the town square where it was standing as the city-council was a afraid it would get stolen, it is now in the city museum as a temporary solution.

Now the council is trying to figure out how to get the statue back at the square with out risk of vandalism or theft, they do not want to built a montre as it has always been part of the consept that you would be able to touch the sculpture. . . Can you see the dilema?

I think it is nice that they still want it displayed like that even though it has increased in value. . .

[Brinniel]

Greenie: I'm still not sure about her, but she seem particularly suspicious. I like that she bothered to put up her thoughts on other players toDay rather than just disappear...but that doesn't particularly mean she's innocent.
Hmmm.. seems or doesn't seem?
Doesn't seem. That was a typo...my bad. :o

And geez people, what's with all the random chatter? Surely there is something more productive we could talk about... :rolleyes:

(P.S. Just because I'm posting, don't expect much from me until later. I'm just checking up on the thread before running off to my four hour class.)

[Thinlómien]

And geez people, what's with all the random chatter? Surely there is something more productive we could talk about...Totally agreed. And I don't even know what you're talking about. :rolleyes:

And tp deserves to be die for his anti-penguin statements. If he's not careful, I will finish him off before the wolf manages to do it... ;)

Nerwen - my bad. I think it was actually tp who talked about Gil, in this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=574352&postcount=1127) post. I just thought it had been Noggie...

[Rikae]

We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.


Now, son, that happens to be the only way a werebear-type character ever won. :cool:

[mormegil]

Well, yes Brinn I did disappear. The plan was laid out before me and I did my part of it. I figured if I hung around stuff like what has been happening would happen ... morm confessing and then taking it back, Nog coming up with theory after theory. I tend to read all of it, spend hours arguing with myself, and then going for the original plan anyway. I decided this time I was going to have an easier time of it and just miss out the middle section. :D

In other words I want to slip under everybody's radar since I'm the last wolf.;) Keep it up Kath and you'll do just fine. Hasn't anybody wondered why you never suspected me this time around?

[mormegil]

I miss Bob Ross...


I miss Bob Barker

[mormegil]

And tp deserves to be die for his anti-penguin statements. If he's not careful, I will finish him off before the wolf manages to do it... ;)



Penguins suck! And why don't you kill tummy at the same time the wolves do? You know you can, if you catch my drift ;). In fact, I wonder if you should kill Tummy tonight just to cause confusion amongst the ranks.

[mormegil]

Rikae, I would also like to state that the voting polls don't really open for another 10 hours so any vote received before that is null and void.

[Thinlómien]

Looks like having three wolves bagged makes others than just me incredibly lazy... :rolleyes: I will start going through the wolves' posts. I'll start with... THE Ka. :D;)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I miss Bob Barker

Come on down... and join the club.

[Thinlómien]

Ka's opinions on other people:

Day1
#66 calls McC modest, jokes with tp, calls Ilya's point about votes good, banters with Shasta&Agan
#104 agrees with Boro about history being a bad excuse, agrees with tp that reps should be independent.
#138 disagress with me by saying she will vote someone non-quiet and non-veteran as her rep
#170 corrects Nogrod about the number of her posts, says she's tempted to vote Ilya for rep, votes Boro for rep.
#342 agrees with Gwath about casinos, some stuff about Nogrod (it hardly matters what she said and her sentence didn't make much sense to me...), says she will keep an eye on Legate, wonders about Kath but says she feels rather innocent that far, doesn't suspect Agan, says Shasta seems interesting and agrees with him.

Day2
#561 says McCaber was a safe kill, agrees with me about everybody thinking sally innocent being weird but has no distinctive opinion on her, also agrees with me that Nerwen seems innocentish, jokes about tp, votes me as a rep because I'm interested and able, also considers voting Nerwen

Day3
#972 agrees with Rune about Nog being odd, agrees with tp about being nice
#978 votes Greenie for rep because "she’ll poke better than the Spanish inquisition", agrees with tp&Boro that wolves are enjoying the current situation, says that it's convenient for the wolves that we only talk about Boro&tp
#1073 speculates with Rune about why an innocent would lay traps (suggests impersonating hunter)

That's all of it. Not much...
I don't think this points at anything at all. I think no conclusions can be drawn from Ka's attitude to people before Nog and morm's posts are analysed, if even then.. :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

Lommy I can save you the time and effort of looking, if you just ask nicely I'll tell you who the wolves are.

[Mithalwen]

Rikae, I would also like to state that the voting polls don't really open for another 10 hours so any vote received before that is null and void.

I don't think so sweetie, besides there has been a temporary change of jurisdiction and I plan on being quite Denning-like in my judgements. Mwahahahaha:Merisu:

[Mithalwen]

And so if you must talk about sport it should be proper games like Rugby and Cricket that are worthy of a Moddesses attention not those silly forms of football and glorified rounders:p NB Aussie Rules is quite acceptable. Up the Blues.

[Boromir88]

You know you love football, Mith, you can't deny it.

Gah. No, I will not be lulled in by yet another siren, there's work to be done. :rolleyes:

I will give some final thoughts and considerations before the deadline, but right now I'm going to do a couple other things and then observe a bit here.

[Mithalwen]

Indeed I do not deny that I love Rugby Football and Australian Rules Football as played by real men (and real women ;) ) the other sorts are not worthy of my attention...

be lulled for another ten minutes then I will be away. :Merisu:

[Mithalwen]

Exactly.
(pssp: tp, I figured we'd give a nice slice to Fea so she can take a dream trip up to Antartica, to Mith to have the honour of visiting us in the States, and we'd split the rest of it 50/50)


I have been through both your home towns back in the day. Are you guys going to show up this time? :p

[Nogrod]

Okay. Let's look at this thing with Gil once more.

After all those patronizing remarks on his posting there followed this kind of interchanges. Just think of it yourselves how would you have felt getting all this because you had missed the voting-time?
Do I need to point out the contradiction here, or can you find it yourself?
he seems quite a bit confused and self-contradicting.
I just read the rest of Gil's post(s). Is it just me or does he make even less sense than Phantom?

i was just defending myself from being called a further idiot...

and yes i admit i messed up with the voting, my bad.

i had a feeling this was going to be a bad idea... maybe i should just step out of the game now before it becomes too late.


Shasta and Gil, you're amusing me an awful lot.


the last thing i want is to insult people, and if i am inadvertently doing that and i don't realize it, then i must excuse myself from the rest of the game.

EDIT: the whole "its underlined" part makes me feel like you are calling me an idiot and thats what made me go more defensive, so to say.

I apologize if I made it seem like I was insulting your intelligence.

more of a slap in the face then anything.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the Gil-Shasta double-act. Pure comedy gold.
Can we assume that Gil's out?

never assume anything from meAnd then he was gone and whasn't been heard of no more.

So what say you? I think you just misbehaved. But if he is the seer how much do you think he would like to help you guys after that?



Now Boro as a wolf surely noticed that there had been no seer revelations coming forwards even if the Days passed and he started to gather his thoughts finding his "alive status" Day after Day a pressing matter to him (that's probably one of the reasons he was so nice to tp - and after that short row with me he started to "like to see me around" as well. He needed us to stay alive beside him. And then he came to this exact same conclusion I did yesterDay (well as a wolf I tend to think like he does as a wolf as we have the same problems more or less): Gil is the seer. And he saw his moment there.

And like he said, he's the worst back-stabber there is and thus he decided to buy some further credibility with trying to lynch The Ka, his packmate. Remember, he never said he had "dreamt" of her. So how did he manage to hit her so accurately? Also remember: he voted first, Shasta was cross-posting him...

And what a surprise we find Shasta dead the next Day. Indeed a perfect pick from his point of view. How did it go that smoothly while we were denied to kill Boro that very same Night?

Like we were denied to kill him the Night before, the Night when when Agan died - and how it just fit in so well with the things Boro was trying to meddle our heads with? :rolleyes:

Okay, we have blood in our hands as well. We killed McCaber - and some of you quessed it right: I persuaded morm to it - and I had to use all my arguments for it. And we deserve to die for it.

I think there is something like rolling of the dices for which team gets the kill each Night - or who knows, maybe Fea just chooses what she likes to choose?

One more thing to point out to all you unbelievers out there. Fea never said the four wolves would be on the same side. She only said there will be four wolves.

Now some of you may wonder why am I trying to be helpful seeing that me and morm are dead meat already? Well, letting a rival team win is worse than seeing the village win.


Anyway. You will see Boro will keep going alive and well, giving you a name of one innocent every Day while you lynch one of those yet unknown (and for some miraculous reason the one nominated as innocent dies the next Night and Boro stays).

So you need to use your little grey cells... :p

[satansaloser2005]

Oi, Nog. Shut up. :p




Hehe. Alternatively, we're not going to listen to you anyway, so feel free to spam, erm, post to your heart's content, my little friend.


Blast. I have to run to class. And this non-WW related discussion was getting so interesting. :Merisu:

[mormegil]

Oi, Nog. Shut up. :p




Hehe. Alternatively, we're not going to listen to you anyway, so feel free to spam, erm, post to your heart's content, my little friend.


Blast. I have to run to class. And this non-WW related discussion was getting so interesting. :Merisu:


Sally you weren't so full of hate during the night periods, in fact you were quite pleasant...why the change?

[satansaloser2005]

Sally you weren't so full of hate during the night periods, in fact you were quite pleasant...why the change?


Girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do, fellas. Sorry.


*scurries off to class*

[Nogrod]

Oi, Nog. Shut up. :p

Hehe. Alternatively, we're not going to listen to you anywayWell that's your choice. You are the ones to suffer the consequences of that decision. ;)

[the phantom]

You're right, Nog, that there are two teams of Wolves.

But Boro isn't the last WW. He's a Cobbler-Seer, who was assigned to help a specific team. Ask me how I know. ;)

[Nogrod]

You're right, Nog, that there are two teams of Wolves.
But Boro isn't the last WW. He's a Cobbler-Seer, who was assigned to help a specific team. Ask me how I know. ;)Fair enough, although funny you should know it?

But nice that you brought that up anyway. That's just another version of the false-seer thing I suspected myself - but both explain the things as well.

All added spice to the mix make the food more interesting. Somehow I'm beginning to hope I was not dead toDay afterall (I had kind of gotten used to the idea and even felty a bit relaxed as I'd now have time for other things) as this is really looking like it's becoming very interesting indeed.

Couldn't one of you just cancel your vote on me - Mith allowing - I would promise not to kill anyone... :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

If your last buddy really is preparing to keep me alive just to argue your ridiculous theory as to why I still am not dead after this, than that would be the biggest mistake in WW history. You already made a mistake by keeping me alive this long, take a lesson from morm, and die with whatever dignity you have left.

Admit you were dooped and scrum up whatever chance of victory you have left for your last wolf. :p

[Nogrod]

Are you getting irritated because your plan is not working after all so smoothly as you thought Boro?

So you counted on the fact that I would play it your way in the end? :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Nope, my plans actually worked quite perfectly. You will be lynched with your packmate morm. I can't ask for a better early christmas present.

[Ilya]

I have internets again! Will reread what's gone on all day/if y'all have voted already.

[Nogrod]

scrum up whatever chance of victory you have left for your last wolf. :pLet's take it for the argument's sake that there were four wolves playing together and of which one will be left and you're the seer. That's your cover-story, right?

Okay, granted that, what happens? You get killed and the village is on it's own. The odds would be reasonable for the village, I admit. But to say there are no chances for victory for a lonely wolf there is misrepresenting the situation. So why would you say something like that? Like you had to impress someone, like you had to make people feel comfortable with their situation?

Like you were a little boy surrounded by hounds and you tried to pull a brave face knowing that as long as you looked confident the dogs wouldn't bite, but still you couldn't be sure...

You already made a mistake by keeping me alive this long, take a lesson from mormI admit I should have followed morm's advice on Night1. But on Night2 and 3 I did follow his advice. Fea either likes you too much or then it was that you and The Ka were given the right to call the shots the two Nights after that. By what logic, I don't know. Dices?

Nope, my plans actually worked quite perfectly. You will be lynched with your packmate morm. I can't ask for a better early christmas present.I'll grant you that. You got rid of your rivals even if it meant you had to stab your mate in the back, and you didn't like the fact that you might have made it without the sacrifice as Shasta would have performed the thing for you (maybe that frustration led to Shasta's demise?) - and The Ka would have been the perfect submarine pair to you indeed. Well, these things happen...

So looking at your latest posts I sense a kind of tension there... Now you have to make it alone. Let's see how long you can make your final stand?

All the best for your trials and tribulations Boro! The village will win though... and I'll be silently contented because of the fact that the rival Wolfgang didn't win if we had to lose. :p

die with whatever dignity you have left.That depends on the definiton of dignity you use. I would call it undignified if I had some chances to continue living in the face of immediate death and tried to weep myself out of the trouble appealing to you pity or my hurt feelings or something like that.

But I'm dead now. Right? You have already all voted, eh?

What should I do, discuss football? Let your foul schemes work out the way you wish? I call it dignity to stand up and play even in the darkest hour, trying to find out your evil ways Boro. You don't like it? Fine. I see why you don't. What you do not need are seeds of indecision and doubt because your plan either stands or falls with trust on your status in the village.

But don't say I'm dying in shame if I dare to play to the end while you'd like to distract everyone with a host of small talk - which only serves your interests my friend. And the village should see that your interest are not the same as theirs.

Yours truly,

Wolfgrod

[the phantom]

Okay, granted that, what happens? You get killed and the village is on it's own. The odds would be reasonable for the village, I admit. But to say there are no chances for victory for a lonely wolf there is misrepresenting the situation.
I agree with this. The last WW might be hard to catch. Especially if he has special powers of some kind.

Powers like... oh, I dunno... that when he is dreamed of he appears to be an Ordo.

Not that *cough* there is any such Wolf like that.

;)

[Nogrod]

I just picked a few of Boro's statements from the last five pages to show you something. Like I said he needs trust and obedience - and he doesn't like his rivals to disturb his efforts on the former so he'd need to nullify those in some way so that people would not think about them seriously. Let him speak for himself then... with a few short comments (leaving the last one out as I have already discussed it).


morm's got the class to admit he's been caught in a trap...Nog will get there once his pride has fallen...ie once he's lynched. My advice, pay no attention to either of them, just enjoy their company while they are still with us.
Right, pay no attention to the truth as it would be bad.

Instead of doing something constructive to perhaps make himself sound more believable, Nogrod just chooses to be against everything. You know Nogrod, you can't just be against something, you also have to be for something.Yes, you have the "something" as you are the one pulling the bluff. I don't know how things are but I'm trying my best to figure it out.

I would feel good about doing my part, whatever happens afterwards, well my best goes out to both. But you innocents better not screw it up.
Interesting that you say "whatever happens afterwards". Why so reserved if you were indeed the seer with three wolves bagged? And "you innocents better not screw it up"!? You? So you're not one of them?

I'm stubborn, but I do admit defeat when beaten, and stare back at death.
Maybe I can play one last mind-trick, and tell the last wolf I'll be gone for the next 48 hours so there would be no point in killing me.Haha, calling for me to shut up appealing to my honour (that's a bit lousy indeed) while already making preparations for you being alive toMorrow! You can now say: "well, I said I will be away and maybe the wolf took it for real... so I'm still alive and an innocent died... no can do"? :p

No more debates, that's it, final it's been set in stone...or well actually just written in invisble ink."Stay the course" village, you have been given orders. It's all set in stone that I'm your seer... Why do you have to underline that all the time? Are you not confident your bluff works?

Good night and no point in wishing good luck, but thank you all for being so cooperative. I wish government could run like that everyday, eh?
"Everything's fine, just trust me"?


Would you buy a used car from this man? :rolleyes:

Just compare tp and Boro toDay. Who is relaxed and playful as always - and who is uptight, commanding, nervous, scornful (and needs to make separate small talk all the time to apperar relaxed - I mean see the different tones in his posts!)

And anyway, I'm not going gentle into that good Night if I have a chance to expose Boro's webs before it.

That I'd call dignity. (Or just decent rivalry as in these kinds of games one really doesn't want the other side to win)

[the phantom]

You know, Nog, I'll make a promise to you about Boro.

If he's still alive tomorrow, then I'll believe everything you say and will suggest to the village that he be lynched. I can't speak for anyone else and thus I cannot guarantee it will be done, but I'll sure try.

[A Little Green]

the rival WolfgangAww. Just imagining a furry Mozart crawling in the night... :D

[Nogrod]

Aww. Just imagining a furry Mozart crawling in the night... That's exactly what I had in mind... :cool:

You know, Nog, I'll make a promise to you about Boro.

If he's still alive tomorrow, then I'll believe everything you say and will suggest to the village that he be lynched. I can't speak for anyone else and thus I cannot guarantee it will be done, but I'll sure try.
Belived by who?

This might be even more twisted game I have thought of it thus far.

But I can see your intention tp. You're trying to pre-empt Boro's attack on you the next Night now aren't you? Quite a decent plan I must agree. And sorry to spoil it, but as one that is going to die I'm not feeling too bad about it. :rolleyes:

Bah. As soon as it started to look a bit cleaner and more straightforwards then you come with this idle bluff...

I mean on the other hand maybe your story about the cobbler-seer and all the ramifications of it is true then? And it would be not a surprise Fea would pick you two to be involved in there. And thence you're trying to buy Boro some legitimate time (something you could argue for as I spoiled Boro's "I might be off the next 48 hours" thing) as he's your helper in the last account - so even if it looks like he's the master around here then as a cobbler-seer, or whatever he is, he still is indeed your subordinate?

Or do you just trust him? Well I understand you'd not take my advice on this but ask Boro how trusting others can turn out. He has exprerience of it indeed... (sorry Boro, I just had to make that reference as I see it's possible you're trying to use the same trick) :D

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

[Brinniel]

I'm currently working on finding all the quotes by our wolves which mention unknowns, and also finding quotes by the unknowns mentioning wolves. But with nearly 1500 posts on this thread, it's quite the monstrous task and I can already see I won't be finishing by the end of toDay since I'm planning to try to go see Spamalot tonight while it's in town. So all those quotes and an analysis will have to wait until toMorrow..

Anyways, I can't really say my thoughts have changed much since my last analysis post. There hasn't been much posting toDay, and many of the posts there have been are just chatter. I suppose toMorrow it'll be much easier to talk when these naughty boys aren't here to distract us..

So unless I can't get a ticket for the show, I probably won't be back again toDay.

[Nogrod]

There hasn't been much posting toDay, and many of the posts there have been are just chatter. I suppose toMorrow it'll be much easier to talk when these naughty boys aren't here to distract us...Sadly one of those naughty boys have been one of the few to actually try to boost a discussion.

If you Brinn believe it's all okay, I'll tell you you're mistaken and mistaken badly. This is not fine and dandy. You'll see.

You need to have the discussion if you are to play this game! Just sitting back and relaxing is both spineless and stupid. You would have had a whole day to discuss things and what do you do? Hide in the shadows so that no one suspects you for standing out and speaking your mind, right?

And I'm kind of serious with this. Just say whatever you say of my role but think yourselves as well what I'm saying: the baddies win when the innocents lay low - and I'd hate to see those dratted rival-baddies win... So pull yourselves together now!

When you think in the late hours of toMorrow that you're in a hurry think of it if you had done something toDay.

It's such an anticlimax to die in a Day like this... :(

But you carry the consequences toMorrow.

I'm prepared and I have done my best, how about you?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Nogrod, you are such a drama queen!

You know very well that given the events that have taken place, the village could have taken no other action than what have been done. We all know that there is a risk that we are being manipulated by evil-doers, but that is a risk we must take.

If you had been in our shoes you would have done the same. . . so please stop the whining.

I agree that more could have been done today, but if there ever was a day to neglect werewolf this was it. Everything have already been decided, so there is not talks that cannot wait until tomorrow.

[mormegil]

I'm currently working on finding all the quotes by our wolves which mention unknowns, and also finding quotes by the unknowns mentioning wolves. But with nearly 1500 posts on this thread, it's quite the monstrous task and I can already see I won't be finishing by the end of toDay since I'm planning to try to go see Spamalot tonight while it's in town. So all those quotes and an analysis will have to wait until toMorrow..

Anyways, I can't really say my thoughts have changed much since my last analysis post. There hasn't been much posting toDay, and many of the posts there have been are just chatter. I suppose toMorrow it'll be much easier to talk when these naughty boys aren't here to distract us..

So unless I can't get a ticket for the show, I probably won't be back again toDay.

Brinn I certainly advise the village to look at your quotes too.

[Boromir88]

Luckily, after today Nogrod, you'll be dead and your last wolf buddy will not have to cave in to your failed policies from the past 3 days. You got drug around in circles, deal with it. :p

This could be my last post before the deadline...

Tonight I will either take a look at Rune, Nerwen, or Sally.

Rune for his "visionary" comments about morm, but he's looked more innocent today than yesterday. Especially since yesterday morm tried to get my attention on Rune and not him.


Nerwen, because I'm suspicious of the morm vote for her on Day 2. The "ranger" business could have been easily planned and morm could hope to make himself look better if he was able to get a wolf-Nerwen lynched.

sally...well she's just a little too excited this past day. She seems like she is taking much more joy out of this than anyone else. Maybe she's just loving the opportunity to not live under the oppressive Nogrod regime?

Excluding tp, I feel the best about Lommy and Kath. But of course don't take that as a known statement of their innocence, and if they attempt to argue their innocence because I thought they were, take a good look at them.

Nogrod, this has to of been one of the most productive days ever. We're lynching two wolves and put together a very smooth and nice plan throughout the day. See what happens when you have something called "trust." You should have trusted your packmates' judgement to get rid of me, it was your policies that got you right where you are today, but you continue to blame others. ;)

Now you want to blame Fea for fixing the outcome. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

This day being settled early worked out very nicely for me as I've been extremely busy and will unavailable throughout the evening.

I'll possibly see everyone tomorrow. Unless the final WW has figured out who I am, of course.

[mormegil]

I must get at least 100 posts and tell you the honest truth about who is guilty...oh wait I already have 100 after this...well forget it you're not getting it from me. Besides nobody ever asked nicely.

[Ilya]

So, I read through everything, but there's not all that much to say, other than "Yay us," I suppose. I can't even begin to unravel Nog's shenanigans. The next Day is gonna be sick, y'all.

By the by, what's all this about wolves who can be dreamed ordos and werebears and cobblers? Aren't there just 4 wolves and a seer? Is there some secret set of rules I never saw? Is Fea assigning people new roles every night? Is everybody just kidding?

[Nerwen]

Hello, all. I'll get back to you when I've had time to read through the posts.

[Nogrod]

it was your policies that got you right where you are today, but you continue to blame others.

Now you want to blame Fea for fixing the outcome. I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just alerting the citizens. And if my policies are to blame, well then deal with it. There are policies of opportunism and policies of dignity, policies of the lowest common denominator and policies of chivalry. You choose your side and manner with what you have in your hands, everyone, individually, and you carry that mark with you...

One for the money, two for the show, three for the truth and go wolf go. :)

Anyway, that's a bit under your stature Boro. Had you been killable you'd not grin around anymore. So thank your mistress for that (do I hear tp getting jealous?). And that's no blame, just a call for being less jubilant with being born with a silver-spoon in your mouth.

I'm somewhow torn about this village. In a way I'd like to see them win over you but on the other hand they seem not to earn it, looking at toDay.

Maybe Fea will balance this out by killing you all... :cool: :D

By the by, what's all this about wolves who can be dreamed ordos and werebears and cobblers? Aren't there just 4 wolves and a seer? Is there some secret set of rules I never saw? Is Fea assigning people new roles every night?As Fea said, welcome to the advanced game of werewolf. There's no telling what happens or is. This is no elementary game as she underlined it (even if Boro tries to make you believe all is clear - but you'll see it). So everything is possible. Just try to orientate through this and all the conflicting messages... you'll have to decide for yourself what to do in this envirovenment.

[satansaloser2005]

Nerwen, because I'm suspicious of the morm vote for her on Day 2. The "ranger" business could have been easily planned and morm could hope to make himself look better if he was able to get a wolf-Nerwen lynched.

Great minds, my friend....

sally...well she's just a little too excited this past day. She seems like she is taking much more joy out of this than anyone else. Maybe she's just loving the opportunity to not live under the oppressive Nogrod regime?

Hey, do you realize how often I end up right but don't find out about it until I'm dead? Either that or I pinpoint the wolves and then the village kills me for it? (Not necessarily here, but still....) Besides, I'm a horrible judge of Nog, so calling him indeed does make me a happy girl. :)


Alternatively....I can't resist. Heh, wasn't it the last game we were in together, Boro? Something involving a dead cobbler come morning although everyone else realized they were evil? *stops poking and guilt tripping* ;)

Alternatively alternatively, I haven't even been reading Nog's posts. Clever clogs over there is undoubtedly causing mischief and I'll not allow him to cloud my judgement on what's going on. (Okay, I've read, but I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Obviously.)



Off for now. Just felt like posting, although I don't have a WHOLE lot to say. Back in a bit perhaps with a list, but if I don't return, sweet dreams, fair village.

[Nerwen]

Earlier toDay I said I'd look at what people were talking about just before morm's half-retraction– All I can find is this:

#1323. [Entire post not quoted]
Okay, so the last wolf must be among

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
Sally

[...lists those she thinks are innocent and those she is unsure of]

The wolf could be

Ilya - she has really said some rather fishy stuff and I think she was a bit too quick to trust tp and Boro yesterDay. Also, although I can't recall it right now, I think there's something curious in the relationship between her and Nog...

or

Sally - she seems to have been a little jumpy toDay, which is just understandable if she's about to be left alone. Also, she too says some fishy stuff.


While toDay still lasts, I'd love to have a look at the three wolves' posts and see who looks like their mate and then proceed based on those clues. Also, having a look at at least sally and Ilya separately probably wouldn't do me any bad either. But I doubt I will be much around anymore before the second phase of toDay - I have an exam to study to tonight and I don't feel it's extra necessary that I'm here right now. :)

The next post is just the phantom discussing his voting-plan.

#1325
Whatever you do, do NOT push this button. Seriously don't dream of Rune it would be a waste of dream.

Then tp posts again about his plan; then we get this:

Jerk!

Oh I confessed did I, ummmm just remember this is a Fea game and anything is possible...*laughs manically*

Comments: well, I think it's safe to say morm was trying to distract us, all right... but perhaps only from the plan to lynch him and Nogrod. Still, there is at least a possibility that Lommy was getting too close to the identity of Wolf #4, who would in that case be either Sally or Ilya.

As for his telling the Seer not to dream of Rune: this is probably reverse psychology. It may be a double- (or do I mean triple?) bluff, of course; however, I don't currently see Rune as particularly wolfish.

EDIT: fixed bolding
EDIT2: and punctuation

[Nogrod]

Eenie-meenie-miny-moe
Lil' Green just hurt her foe
Wimpy-wampy-wumpy-ho
but teepee didn't let her go.
Who's to blame, who's to blame,
asked Boro and turned out lame.

Be-wop-po-loom-wob-bo-lap bam-boom
said Sally just evading her closing doom.
Ilya, Il'y-a? Que est-ce que c'est?
Vous voulez connaitre ce que j'ai fait?
Ka-boom, ka-boom, nanouk, nincompoop!
Lommy thought she was easily off the hoop,
while going the road to sweet Athay haroo, haroo,
Rune managed to make a blunder like a baboon.

Ha-ha,
Frank Zappa
and Jack & Jill went up the hill
with the sh....est group and mormegil
Go round, go down; Go round, go down.

Ha-Ha,
They're coming to take me away hahaa
he-hee, hihii, hohoo, huuhuu...
While Napoleon had nothing to do with that
but the Waterloo neared upon one Gwath...

Or was it a path pointing towards a Kath?
Bibedi-babedi-bou, who knows what's she at?
But I'm Happy to see those nice young men
in their clean white coats, ... uh... Nerwen?
"Liar, liar, see my denial" shouted Brinn, "I'm still in."
"They're coming to take me away, hoho, to the loony bin"

They're coming to take me a way hahaa...
To Antarctica, America, to the Gil-Galad star.

You thought it was joke and so you laughed,
you laughed when I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid,
right?

You know you laughed,
I heard you laugh,
you laughed, you laughed and laughed
and then you left,

but now you know I'm utterly mad.

And they're coming to take me away Ha Ha
They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha

[satansaloser2005]

Nog: Evil or not, you just made my day.

K, back in a bit. I laughed so hard at that post I need my bloody asthma meds. Thanks for that, kiddo. ;)

[mormegil]

As for his telling the Seer not to dream of Rune: this is probably reverse psychology. It may be a double- (or do I mean triple?) bluff, of course; however, I don't currently see Rune as particularly wolfish.



Seriously a dream of Rune would be a waste or for that matter lynching him would be to so just leave him alone okay, he was kind enough to actually not suspect me...